July 31, 2025 • 22 mins
Junie Moon talks about what happens when you finally get honest about the ways you’ve been abandoning yourself in the name of love....
Saying yes when your gut screams no...
....walking on eggshells to keep the peace
....trying to earn your worth through being chosen.
Junie doesn’t hold back anything.
She shares what it was like to leave a 20-year marriage, only to fall into the same painful patterns in a different relationship…
...until one sleepless night changed everything.
That was her line in the sand moment - the one where she chose herself.
Since then, she’s built a life and career anchored in radical self-love, deep healing, and helping other women do the same.
This isn’t just about relationships, though. It’s about learning to trust yourself again. To notice when you’ve started dimming your light. To stop performing for love and start choosing it - with honesty, with boundaries, with softness and strength.
You’ll hear us talk about:
– Why “healthy selfish” is the most loving thing you can practice
– How shadow work helps you uncover what’s really going on underneath the surface
– What changes when you stop abandoning yourself and start getting honest
– The difference between settling and choosing peace
– And how midlife isn’t a decline - it’s a doorway
You’re not too old.
You’re not too late.
You’re not broken.
You’re just ready for more.
✨ You can connect with Junie and follow along as she gets ready to launch her new live talk show Your Best Life with Junie Moon (which is gonna be SO good ... think Oprah meets the dating game):
Instagram → @midlifeloveoutloud
Website → midlifeloveoutloud.com
New show IG → @your_bestlifeshow
And as always, thank you for being here with me inside the Thrive After 45™ Podcast. I’m so glad we get to do life - and these conversations - together. ❤️
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Your journey doesn’t stop here - let’s keep the conversation going! Connect with me at denisedrinkwalter.com, and follow @thethriveafter45podcast for daily insp, tips, and support.
Remember, midlife isn’t the end - it’s just the beginning of a new, exciting chapter! Keep thriving, keep shining, and I’ll see you next time!
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(00:00):
Hello and welcome to ThriveAfter 45, the podcast where we
redefine what's possible inmidlife.
I'm Denise drw, your midliferenewal coach here to help you
embrace your power, purpose, andpotential.
This is your space to let go ofguilt, navigate transitions,
rediscover joy and thrive foryou by you because of you.
(00:23):
It is such an honor and aprivilege to welcome and
introduce Junie Moon to our showtoday.
Junie is a woman who has walkedthrough the fire and emerged
with not only wisdom.
A powerful message to share.
After navigating years ofdysfunctional relationships and
doing the deep inner workrequired to break those
(00:46):
patterns, she discovered aprofound path to healing.
One rooted in shadow work.
Radical self-love.
That discovery didn't justchange her life.
It set her on a mission to helpothers do the same.
And today, Judy is known as alove and relationship.
(01:06):
Expert guiding women, especiallythose in the second half of life
toward deeper self-awareness,empowered choices, and the
possibility of healthy soulaligned partnerships.
For the past 15 years, she'shelped thousands of women move
past fear.
Release old wounds and createlives and relationships that
(01:29):
they truly love.
Through her work, Junie invitesus to believe in what's
possible, not only in love, butwithin ourselves.
So settle in this conversationis full of heart truth, and it
will be inspirational.
Junie is a light and I am sothrilled to have her with us
(01:50):
today.
Welcome to the show, Judy.
Thank you.
What a wonderful intro.
My gosh.
Thank you.
And it is such a pleasure to behere.
I adore you.
I love what you're doing in theworld, and this is exciting to
play with you.
I love that.
And that's exactly what we do.
We play, we offer conversation,and we never know what nuggets
(02:11):
of information our audience pickup on.
And.
Really relish in learning that,A, you're not alone.
B, there's supports out therefor you no matter what you're
going through.
Particularly as we learn how tothrive after 45 and beyond.
(02:32):
Right?
Yeah, that's so true.
Right.
So Juni, you have walked throughthe fire of dysfunctional
relationships and you haveemerged doing incredible
transformational work withothers.
Could you take us back to themoment or some moment that you
(02:53):
realize that there just had tobe another way?
And what shifted for you in thatmoment, if there's something
that you can recall.
Oh, I've got a moment.
I've got a bunch of moments, asyou said, but there was one in
particular, but let me go back alittle bit.
Before the moment where I was ina 20 year marriage.
And, you know, there was, therewere things that were good and
(03:15):
enjoyable in a lot of ways.
Sure, of course.
Right?
You would hope.
Uh, and I walked on eggshells.
I was terrified of being alone.
I was terrified of conflict andI micromanaged everything.
And I went around with knots inmy stomach on a regular basis,
just not expressing myselffully.
(03:35):
I was afraid.
I was just afraid of so manythings.
And so as the years went on andI used food as a way to
self-soothe, I got up to 200pounds.
I was miserable.
I didn't realize that it wasn'ta food problem, but it was a
self-esteem problem.
And then I happened upon thisbody of work called Shadow Work,
(03:56):
which helped me see that therewere unconscious patterns, there
were things that I learnedthrough the years that had me
playing it really safe.
I better not speak up because.
The shit might hit the fan, youknow?
Right.
I better not express myselfbecause I might have conflict or
I might be left.
So that was how I managed it.
(04:17):
And then I found this body ofwork and I found that deep,
radical self-love that you weretalking about.
Right.
And it changed everything.
And so the marriage didn't last.
Sadly.
You know, we're still friends.
There's still a lot of lovethere, but he wasn't gonna buy a
ticket to the next.
Chapter.
And so I left the marriage andstarted dating and lo and
(04:38):
behold, I went into anotherrelationship.
It seemed different.
He looked different.
And dang, he was not thatdifferent.
And there was this one moment,it was, it was a weekend
actually of.
Okay.
Horrible narcissistic behavior.
Oh, and there he is, this sixfoot four giant of a man
sleeping next to me, snoringaway.
(04:59):
I can't sleep, and I'm justtossing and turning thinking,
how did I do this?
Again, not the snoring part, buthow did I do this again?
How did I end up in arelationship where I was walking
on eggshells and afraid to, toreally fully be myself?
And that's, I ended that.
I broke the contract with thatman and the contract with this
(05:21):
pattern, and I dug deeply intohow to do me better, how to do
relationships better.
I mean, I had been studyingrelationships.
My whole life.
And that was, that's been myspecialty, but the self love,
right?
And the healthy boundaries.
Mm.
That was different.
And then I studied the datingand all of that stuff and that's
(05:41):
when I knew and, and I met mysoulmate, all that stuff.
All good stuff.
And that's when I realized thatwe can do it differently.
We can really honor ourselvesdifferently.
We can have great, healthypartners and.
I really knew that I can make adifference in women's lives.
I helped some guys too, butmostly women really claim this
chapter of life, reinve reinventthemselves, right?
(06:07):
Uh, so that they can truly havenext level love.
So that's, that's my moment ofhow did I do this again?
And I was like, yeah, that's nothappening again.
Right?
And I dug in, I did the work, Igot a mentor to help me see the
blind spots, and now I helpothers do the same.
Right.
Do, do you find or do you feelthat having a mentor is.
(06:31):
Important and why so?
'cause I know a lot of women wholike, I've got the book, I've
got the, I do my journaling, Ido the, and those are all great
tools.
I mean, there are great toolsout there and we're li we're
living in the information andthat's awesome.
And chat.
CPT can be a great coach.
There's something about being inreal time with someone who's
(06:53):
walked through the fire, who hasthe skillset to spot things in
real time.
That chat, GPT is not gonna cutit.
You're gonna learn a lot.
I read the books, I did theworkshops.
That's why it was soheartbreaking that I ended up in
that relat.
It's like, how did I not seethat?
Yeah.
But I had distinct unconsciouspatterns and deep fears that
(07:17):
chat GPT, if I had it back thenwould've missed.
Right.
And so, yeah, I really do thinkit's so important.
Do the work, do the journaling.
Those are all amazing tools.
Of course, we learned a lotabout ourselves and there's
something about having someonelike you or me.
Hold your hand and help youreally break through some of
those blind spots so that theynever sneak up and bite you in
(07:40):
the ass ever again.
Yeah.
The other thing that I like whatyou're saying is those blind
spots, I look at it as, youcan't see the forest for the
trees and having somebody likeyourself who is.
Um, not judgmental who haswalked a path.
(08:01):
Doesn't have to be identical.
But you have not only theexperience, but you also have
the skillset to be able to notjust listen but see things
differently.
Yeah.
And offer new ways of thinkingabout, because I don't know
about you, but I know the womenthat I support, we.
(08:23):
I, I find our conversations, Ican show them the opposite side
of the coin.
They see it only this way.
Yeah.
And we can flip it and help themsee all angles and then they
choose what they're going to dowith that information because
it's their lives.
Right.
You said that's so well and.
There's something about creatingthat safe, nonjudgmental place.
(08:45):
Yeah.
Because when we feel, becausehow many places do we really
feel like we can share withoutsomebody judging, you know?
Yeah.
And to have that container withsomeone who has walked through
the fire with the tools, it'sdifferent.
And with the work that I do,what's called shadow work, yeah.
We are helping people see.
The pattern, see the blindspots.
And then with specially designedprocesses, we help people rewire
(09:09):
in the unconscious mind so thatthey can feel stronger within
themselves.
So they really are different andthey feel different.
They feel more empowered.
A lot of those affirmations andlike, let's just reframe this.
It's like, okay, that's reallynice.
I know a lot of people that go,well look at it this way or
think positively, and I'm justlike, yeah, yeah, yeah.
(09:30):
That's only gonna take you sofar.
It's great to notice, but that'sthe first step.
So to your point, it's like whenyou have somebody that has the
skillset and helps you.
See differently, and then youcan go in and change the
programming.
Like literally update all thestuff that you've been
swallowing all these decades.
You are a different person.
(09:51):
I, I don't recognize myself inall the best ways, you know?
And that's what we want.
We wanna be able to get to thisstage of life, to be that
Phoenix and to be the be bestversion we can be, which
basically is letting go.
Of the crap we've picked upalong the way thinking we have
to be a certain way to have ahappy life.
Well, we are happy when we arereally honoring our truth, our
(10:14):
heart, our expression, and we,you know, and that's the other
thing about chat, GPT, I don'tknow if you've, yeah, I'm sure
you've experienced this.
I'm sure everybody's experiencedthis chat.
G PT is very positive, isn't it?
Oh, what a great question.
Oh, you're on the grit, right?
Track.
Oh, you're doing so well.
Yeah.
It's like sometimes I say tochat, it's like, okay.
Don't be so don't be so nice.
(10:35):
I need you to tell me the realdeal here, but get real good
girl.
Good girl.
It's like that.
I'm not gonna grow that way.
Tell me, tell me the nittygritty.
So to have somebody in yourcourt that can put a loving
mirror up and go, Hey, I'mnoticing.
You're, you're abandoningyourself again.
Let's look at that.
(10:55):
What's that about?
Mm-hmm.
So much in that, so much in thatI absolutely love the pieces
that we, the way you put ittogether, and I, I love how you
shared the gentle way that yougive that feedback.
Yeah.
And it's real.
(11:16):
And it, the work that you'redoing, just like our show is
about for you by you because ofyou.
That's why you do the work youwant to do.
Yeah.
It's not for everybody else.
It's for you.
Yeah.
And I love your foundationalpillar, which is about radical
self love.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's.
(11:37):
So important, and yet I find,and you might find the same, I'd
love to know that women areafraid of that because when I do
that, I'm being egocentric.
And, and what I'm hearing is,and this is what I hear so
often, is I don't wanna beselfish.
Yeah, absolutely.
(11:57):
I don't wanna look selfish.
I know, know if I really putmyself first, what will people
think?
And what I say to them ishealthy, selfish, you know?
Yeah.
Of course.
You know, to, to, you're good,you're.
You are not gonna throw out yourheart, of course.
You're, you know, we want tocare, we want to love.
And if we abandon ourselves andsay yes, when we mean no,
(12:19):
everybody loses.
And if we really want deepconnection with others, then
being honest you.
In a loving way.
'cause it's not about, no, Idon't wanna do this.
That's a stupid idea.
That's one way of sayingsomething to someone versus, you
know, that really doesn't workfor me right now.
Maybe another time.
What I would really like is, canwe talk about it?
Like, boom, suddenly people getto know you.
(12:42):
Yeah.
You have deeper connection.
You're honoring yourself andinviting them into who you are.
Yeah.
Into me.
See intimacy.
So if every, if you want realdeep connection and love and
joy.
It starts with really beingradically loving to yourself.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
(13:02):
Do you find that the people thatyou work with, your clients
struggle with that, or once itstarts, does it open up for them
very quickly?
How does that work?
Share with us.
Everybody's different.
Different course.
I think, you know, I mean, somepeople have had such big abuse,
betrayal, um, yeah.
Loss, and they're starting over.
(13:24):
Um, yeah.
Some people go right reallyquickly.
Sure.
'cause they're so ready.
They're ready for thebreakthrough.
So everybody's different.
Yeah.
What I will say is that once youspot the pattern mm-hmm.
And you have the safe container,like, you know, we're not
talking years here.
You know, some people will havea breakthrough in a couple of
sessions.
(13:44):
Some people need a few months,but we're not talking years
here.
We're talking.
I'm talking to people that arereally committed to shifting.
Right.
The paradigm.
Because if you're not happy, ifyou're feeling disempowered, if
you're feeling this is goodenough, it's not good enough,
you know?
Right.
So settling is.
(14:04):
In my opinion.
Mm-hmm.
A safe way to be, let's stay inthe comfort zone that's not so
comfortable, but at least I knowthe territory.
And to stretch the comfort zonewith more knowledge, with more
tools, and that's when thingscan change.
So it's not a big, you know,knocking over the head of
somebody.
Right.
Two by four.
It's an invitation.
And so it's step by step.
(14:25):
And some people take those stepsand some people start to run
really quickly.
Mm-hmm.
Thank you for that and I, I lovethat you're very clear in terms
there's not one size fits all.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And nor should there be, becausewe're all different.
There's commonality and there'sthreads, but the reality is we
(14:45):
all have our own path, andthat's what you bring to the
table is not only yourexperience, but your skillset to
be able to put things togetherin a way that makes sense for
your clients, specific for theirneeds.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Yeah.
I'll be the first one to tellsomebody if we're not a fit.
You, some people are not readyto really look at why they are
(15:06):
doing what they're doing or whythey're playing a small game.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, and yeah.
My specialty is self-love forpeople that wanna have
extraordinary love in theirlife.
So if they're looking for arelationship, if they're looking
for a deeper partnership, theyhave to be willing to look at
their side of the streetbecause.
(15:27):
We as human beings, love todeflect.
We love to point fingers and go,he's an idiot.
He's a jerk.
He's a narcissist.
Well, I did that for years,right?
And it took me a while to go,oh, what chips did I bring to
the party?
'cause I allowed a lot of badbehavior.
Doesn't mean he wasn't the wayhe was.
I let a lot of things go and hewas trained.
(15:51):
To do it right on some level'cause I accepted it.
Right.
So this is radical honesty too.
Mm-hmm.
So to really be able to shiftand have a deeper connection
with others, we must beradically honest.
Mm-hmm.
And then have that radicalself-love.
That's when everything changes.
Yeah.
And I love what you're sayingtoo, in terms of the change.
(16:13):
It doesn't necessarily take, ittakes as long as it needs to
take for you.
So there's no magical bullet.
Yeah, exactly.
I'm still going.
Well, I have the man of mydreams.
I have the most magnificentlife.
I look at it and pinch myself ona regular basis.
Love it.
Bruises all over my body.
'cause I'm like, you know,seriously though, I absolutely
(16:35):
love my life.
And just the other day, I won'tgo to the details'cause it
doesn't matter.
Yeah.
I had this, um, challenge with adear, dear friend of mine and I
was like, I have to share thiswith him.
I'm not gonna sweep this underthe rug.
And he was like, I can't believeyou were thinking this Junie, I
love you.
And I was like, well, underneathmy fear was I didn't wanna
(16:56):
disappoint him.
Yeah.
I didn't wanna fall short in hiseyes.
And we had a conversation aboutthe fact that.
I noticed that thread of, Ooh,I'm afraid of losing our
friendship not to at a bigextreme.
And it wasn't this big monsterof a, oh my God.
However, right.
I noticed that resistance and Iwas like, yeah, oh my gosh, I
need to have a conversation withmy friends.
(17:18):
'cause I don't wanna sweepanything under the rug.
And of course, yeah.
What, what happens of deeperconnection, a deeper
understanding and more love foreach other.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Communication is so, so pivotalin the work that you do.
Absolutely.
And that honest communication,which I don't think you can get
(17:38):
to until you have that bigfoundational piece of that
radical self love, becauseyou're not, you're not
pretending anymore because youknow your truth that you've
talked about not pretending.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's the wonderful thingabout midlife and beyond, you
know?
It's one of the things thatwe're like, yeah, I'm not doing
(17:58):
that anymore.
Yep.
Life is too short.
I, you know, this is my life.
I'm not playing those gamesanymore.
Yeah.
And yet, even though weintellectually say that
sometimes we might be findingourselves doing the thing again,
it's like up there it is again,worrying about what will they
say, what will they think,what's their opinion so we can
catch it.
And it can be so much more easyif we do the healing work and
(18:23):
release it and let it go.
Right.
Right.
Thank you so much, Junie.
Your work is invaluable.
I'm so blessed, so blessed tohave our conversation today.
I have one more question.
Is there anything you would loveto leave our audience with
before we close up and make surepeople know how to find you and
(18:46):
know some of the things that areupcoming?
Thank you.
Thank you.
Well.
With this conversation thatwe're having, and I shared this
with you before we went live, Ihave been online and I've been
working with women for over 30years, 35 at this point, right?
And specifically women startingover for about the FI last 15
years.
And what I've realized is.
(19:09):
Not only do I ever reach online,I love being in person and I
really wanna make a biggerimpact in the world when it
comes to love and relationships.
Mm.
So I am literally in the processof birthing my own talk show.
Yeah, I know.
It's so exciting.
It's called Your Best Life withJune Moon.
It's a small audience.
(19:29):
However, we are gonna be livestreaming it.
For ticket with tickets all overthe world, because I want
everybody to have access to it.
And we are building thatawareness right now.
It goes live in October.
We're gonna be doing giveaways,we're gonna be giving, you know,
free access, um, early accessfor VIP, access to tickets,
okay.
And discounts and all thosethings.
(19:51):
There's gonna be a lot offestivities leading up to this
Magnificent, your best life showthat has a, uh, a, a live
dating.
Game in it as well.
So it's, it's a platform toreally help people up level
their life in all aspects, loveand relationships.
So I would absolutely love todrop my Instagram link for your
(20:12):
best life for people to hop onover.
We are just starting, but we'regonna be doing some really great
things there, and you could getearly access for.
All the tickets and, um, andthen I'll just, you know, my, my
website is midlife love outloud.com.
Okay.
Uh, midlife love out loud isalso my handle pretty much
everywhere.
I absolutely love helping womenYeah.
(20:34):
Really claim this chapter ontheir terms full out.
Uh, and so.
My, my show is gonna be abiggie, and I would absolutely
love to have your audience inthe virtual arena with you.
Yeah, absolutely.
That is so exciting, longoverdue.
Thank you.
It's really, it pulls it alltogether because I was an
(20:55):
actress in the early part of mylife, so I, I love being on
stage.
I love interacting with people,and now that I know how to do.
Video and live, and the camerasand the lighting and oh my God,
it's gonna be so much fun withamazing guests.
And like I said, the ultimatematch dating game, which is, oh,
that's like, that gonna be somuch fun in itself is a blast.
(21:17):
I, I'm so excited.
October, October.
Yeah.
I'm calling it Oprah meets thedating game.
There you go.
I love it.
Sounds fantastic.
No surprise there, Junie, it hasbeen such an honor to share
space with you.
You've got so much to give andwe will make sure all the show
(21:40):
notes are up to date.
So make sure you jump into theshow notes, grab what you can
There.
Connect with Juni, follow her.
She is not sleeping at thewheel.
This woman is one busy girl.
And when I connected with her,she goes, I only I can do, I
could do.
And she, she somehow creates,um, time and space to be here
(22:04):
with me today.
And I am so grateful for that.
So thank you.
Thank you.
You're so welcome.
I mean, balance is a thing, youknow, if we really wanna have a
great life, we need to have thatbalance and being with you.
Really connects to my mission aswell as my joy.
Yeah, so thank you.
Perfect.
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Goodbye everyone.
Hello and welcome to ThriveAfter 45, the podcast where we
redefine what's possible inmidlife.
I'm Denise drw, your midliferenewal coach here to help you
embrace your power, purpose, andpotential.
This is your space to let go ofguilt, navigate transitions,
rediscover joy and thrive foryou by you because of you.
(00:23):
It is such an honor and aprivilege to welcome and
introduce Junie Moon to our showtoday.
Junie is a woman who has walkedthrough the fire and emerged
with not only wisdom.
A powerful message to share.
After navigating years ofdysfunctional relationships and
doing the deep inner workrequired to break those
(00:46):
patterns, she discovered aprofound path to healing.
One rooted in shadow work.
Radical self-love.
That discovery didn't justchange her life.
It set her on a mission to helpothers do the same.
And today, Judy is known as alove and relationship.
(01:06):
Expert guiding women, especiallythose in the second half of life
toward deeper self-awareness,empowered choices, and the
possibility of healthy soulaligned partnerships.
For the past 15 years, she'shelped thousands of women move
past fear.
Release old wounds and createlives and relationships that
(01:29):
they truly love.
Through her work, Junie invitesus to believe in what's
possible, not only in love, butwithin ourselves.
So settle in this conversationis full of heart truth, and it
will be inspirational.
Junie is a light and I am sothrilled to have her with us
(01:50):
today.
Welcome to the show, Judy.
Thank you.
What a wonderful intro.
My gosh.
Thank you.
And it is such a pleasure to behere.
I adore you.
I love what you're doing in theworld, and this is exciting to
play with you.
I love that.
And that's exactly what we do.
We play, we offer conversation,and we never know what nuggets
(02:11):
of information our audience pickup on.
And.
Really relish in learning that,A, you're not alone.
B, there's supports out therefor you no matter what you're
going through.
Particularly as we learn how tothrive after 45 and beyond.
(02:32):
Right?
Yeah, that's so true.
Right.
So Juni, you have walked throughthe fire of dysfunctional
relationships and you haveemerged doing incredible
transformational work withothers.
Could you take us back to themoment or some moment that you
(02:53):
realize that there just had tobe another way?
And what shifted for you in thatmoment, if there's something
that you can recall.
Oh, I've got a moment.
I've got a bunch of moments, asyou said, but there was one in
particular, but let me go back alittle bit.
Before the moment where I was ina 20 year marriage.
And, you know, there was, therewere things that were good and
(03:15):
enjoyable in a lot of ways.
Sure, of course.
Right?
You would hope.
Uh, and I walked on eggshells.
I was terrified of being alone.
I was terrified of conflict andI micromanaged everything.
And I went around with knots inmy stomach on a regular basis,
just not expressing myselffully.
(03:35):
I was afraid.
I was just afraid of so manythings.
And so as the years went on andI used food as a way to
self-soothe, I got up to 200pounds.
I was miserable.
I didn't realize that it wasn'ta food problem, but it was a
self-esteem problem.
And then I happened upon thisbody of work called Shadow Work,
(03:56):
which helped me see that therewere unconscious patterns, there
were things that I learnedthrough the years that had me
playing it really safe.
I better not speak up because.
The shit might hit the fan, youknow?
Right.
I better not express myselfbecause I might have conflict or
I might be left.
So that was how I managed it.
(04:17):
And then I found this body ofwork and I found that deep,
radical self-love that you weretalking about.
Right.
And it changed everything.
And so the marriage didn't last.
Sadly.
You know, we're still friends.
There's still a lot of lovethere, but he wasn't gonna buy a
ticket to the next.
Chapter.
And so I left the marriage andstarted dating and lo and
(04:38):
behold, I went into anotherrelationship.
It seemed different.
He looked different.
And dang, he was not thatdifferent.
And there was this one moment,it was, it was a weekend
actually of.
Okay.
Horrible narcissistic behavior.
Oh, and there he is, this sixfoot four giant of a man
sleeping next to me, snoringaway.
(04:59):
I can't sleep, and I'm justtossing and turning thinking,
how did I do this?
Again, not the snoring part, buthow did I do this again?
How did I end up in arelationship where I was walking
on eggshells and afraid to, toreally fully be myself?
And that's, I ended that.
I broke the contract with thatman and the contract with this
(05:21):
pattern, and I dug deeply intohow to do me better, how to do
relationships better.
I mean, I had been studyingrelationships.
My whole life.
And that was, that's been myspecialty, but the self love,
right?
And the healthy boundaries.
Mm.
That was different.
And then I studied the datingand all of that stuff and that's
(05:41):
when I knew and, and I met mysoulmate, all that stuff.
All good stuff.
And that's when I realized thatwe can do it differently.
We can really honor ourselvesdifferently.
We can have great, healthypartners and.
I really knew that I can make adifference in women's lives.
I helped some guys too, butmostly women really claim this
chapter of life, reinve reinventthemselves, right?
(06:07):
Uh, so that they can truly havenext level love.
So that's, that's my moment ofhow did I do this again?
And I was like, yeah, that's nothappening again.
Right?
And I dug in, I did the work, Igot a mentor to help me see the
blind spots, and now I helpothers do the same.
Right.
Do, do you find or do you feelthat having a mentor is.
(06:31):
Important and why so?
'cause I know a lot of women wholike, I've got the book, I've
got the, I do my journaling, Ido the, and those are all great
tools.
I mean, there are great toolsout there and we're li we're
living in the information andthat's awesome.
And chat.
CPT can be a great coach.
There's something about being inreal time with someone who's
(06:53):
walked through the fire, who hasthe skillset to spot things in
real time.
That chat, GPT is not gonna cutit.
You're gonna learn a lot.
I read the books, I did theworkshops.
That's why it was soheartbreaking that I ended up in
that relat.
It's like, how did I not seethat?
Yeah.
But I had distinct unconsciouspatterns and deep fears that
(07:17):
chat GPT, if I had it back thenwould've missed.
Right.
And so, yeah, I really do thinkit's so important.
Do the work, do the journaling.
Those are all amazing tools.
Of course, we learned a lotabout ourselves and there's
something about having someonelike you or me.
Hold your hand and help youreally break through some of
those blind spots so that theynever sneak up and bite you in
(07:40):
the ass ever again.
Yeah.
The other thing that I like whatyou're saying is those blind
spots, I look at it as, youcan't see the forest for the
trees and having somebody likeyourself who is.
Um, not judgmental who haswalked a path.
(08:01):
Doesn't have to be identical.
But you have not only theexperience, but you also have
the skillset to be able to notjust listen but see things
differently.
Yeah.
And offer new ways of thinkingabout, because I don't know
about you, but I know the womenthat I support, we.
(08:23):
I, I find our conversations, Ican show them the opposite side
of the coin.
They see it only this way.
Yeah.
And we can flip it and help themsee all angles and then they
choose what they're going to dowith that information because
it's their lives.
Right.
You said that's so well and.
There's something about creatingthat safe, nonjudgmental place.
(08:45):
Yeah.
Because when we feel, becausehow many places do we really
feel like we can share withoutsomebody judging, you know?
Yeah.
And to have that container withsomeone who has walked through
the fire with the tools, it'sdifferent.
And with the work that I do,what's called shadow work, yeah.
We are helping people see.
The pattern, see the blindspots.
And then with specially designedprocesses, we help people rewire
(09:09):
in the unconscious mind so thatthey can feel stronger within
themselves.
So they really are different andthey feel different.
They feel more empowered.
A lot of those affirmations andlike, let's just reframe this.
It's like, okay, that's reallynice.
I know a lot of people that go,well look at it this way or
think positively, and I'm justlike, yeah, yeah, yeah.
(09:30):
That's only gonna take you sofar.
It's great to notice, but that'sthe first step.
So to your point, it's like whenyou have somebody that has the
skillset and helps you.
See differently, and then youcan go in and change the
programming.
Like literally update all thestuff that you've been
swallowing all these decades.
You are a different person.
(09:51):
I, I don't recognize myself inall the best ways, you know?
And that's what we want.
We wanna be able to get to thisstage of life, to be that
Phoenix and to be the be bestversion we can be, which
basically is letting go.
Of the crap we've picked upalong the way thinking we have
to be a certain way to have ahappy life.
Well, we are happy when we arereally honoring our truth, our
(10:14):
heart, our expression, and we,you know, and that's the other
thing about chat, GPT, I don'tknow if you've, yeah, I'm sure
you've experienced this.
I'm sure everybody's experiencedthis chat.
G PT is very positive, isn't it?
Oh, what a great question.
Oh, you're on the grit, right?
Track.
Oh, you're doing so well.
Yeah.
It's like sometimes I say tochat, it's like, okay.
Don't be so don't be so nice.
(10:35):
I need you to tell me the realdeal here, but get real good
girl.
Good girl.
It's like that.
I'm not gonna grow that way.
Tell me, tell me the nittygritty.
So to have somebody in yourcourt that can put a loving
mirror up and go, Hey, I'mnoticing.
You're, you're abandoningyourself again.
Let's look at that.
(10:55):
What's that about?
Mm-hmm.
So much in that, so much in thatI absolutely love the pieces
that we, the way you put ittogether, and I, I love how you
shared the gentle way that yougive that feedback.
Yeah.
And it's real.
(11:16):
And it, the work that you'redoing, just like our show is
about for you by you because ofyou.
That's why you do the work youwant to do.
Yeah.
It's not for everybody else.
It's for you.
Yeah.
And I love your foundationalpillar, which is about radical
self love.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's.
(11:37):
So important, and yet I find,and you might find the same, I'd
love to know that women areafraid of that because when I do
that, I'm being egocentric.
And, and what I'm hearing is,and this is what I hear so
often, is I don't wanna beselfish.
Yeah, absolutely.
(11:57):
I don't wanna look selfish.
I know, know if I really putmyself first, what will people
think?
And what I say to them ishealthy, selfish, you know?
Yeah.
Of course.
You know, to, to, you're good,you're.
You are not gonna throw out yourheart, of course.
You're, you know, we want tocare, we want to love.
And if we abandon ourselves andsay yes, when we mean no,
(12:19):
everybody loses.
And if we really want deepconnection with others, then
being honest you.
In a loving way.
'cause it's not about, no, Idon't wanna do this.
That's a stupid idea.
That's one way of sayingsomething to someone versus, you
know, that really doesn't workfor me right now.
Maybe another time.
What I would really like is, canwe talk about it?
Like, boom, suddenly people getto know you.
(12:42):
Yeah.
You have deeper connection.
You're honoring yourself andinviting them into who you are.
Yeah.
Into me.
See intimacy.
So if every, if you want realdeep connection and love and
joy.
It starts with really beingradically loving to yourself.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
(13:02):
Do you find that the people thatyou work with, your clients
struggle with that, or once itstarts, does it open up for them
very quickly?
How does that work?
Share with us.
Everybody's different.
Different course.
I think, you know, I mean, somepeople have had such big abuse,
betrayal, um, yeah.
Loss, and they're starting over.
(13:24):
Um, yeah.
Some people go right reallyquickly.
Sure.
'cause they're so ready.
They're ready for thebreakthrough.
So everybody's different.
Yeah.
What I will say is that once youspot the pattern mm-hmm.
And you have the safe container,like, you know, we're not
talking years here.
You know, some people will havea breakthrough in a couple of
sessions.
(13:44):
Some people need a few months,but we're not talking years
here.
We're talking.
I'm talking to people that arereally committed to shifting.
Right.
The paradigm.
Because if you're not happy, ifyou're feeling disempowered, if
you're feeling this is goodenough, it's not good enough,
you know?
Right.
So settling is.
(14:04):
In my opinion.
Mm-hmm.
A safe way to be, let's stay inthe comfort zone that's not so
comfortable, but at least I knowthe territory.
And to stretch the comfort zonewith more knowledge, with more
tools, and that's when thingscan change.
So it's not a big, you know,knocking over the head of
somebody.
Right.
Two by four.
It's an invitation.
And so it's step by step.
(14:25):
And some people take those stepsand some people start to run
really quickly.
Mm-hmm.
Thank you for that and I, I lovethat you're very clear in terms
there's not one size fits all.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And nor should there be, becausewe're all different.
There's commonality and there'sthreads, but the reality is we
(14:45):
all have our own path, andthat's what you bring to the
table is not only yourexperience, but your skillset to
be able to put things togetherin a way that makes sense for
your clients, specific for theirneeds.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Yeah.
I'll be the first one to tellsomebody if we're not a fit.
You, some people are not readyto really look at why they are
(15:06):
doing what they're doing or whythey're playing a small game.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, and yeah.
My specialty is self-love forpeople that wanna have
extraordinary love in theirlife.
So if they're looking for arelationship, if they're looking
for a deeper partnership, theyhave to be willing to look at
their side of the streetbecause.
(15:27):
We as human beings, love todeflect.
We love to point fingers and go,he's an idiot.
He's a jerk.
He's a narcissist.
Well, I did that for years,right?
And it took me a while to go,oh, what chips did I bring to
the party?
'cause I allowed a lot of badbehavior.
Doesn't mean he wasn't the wayhe was.
I let a lot of things go and hewas trained.
(15:51):
To do it right on some level'cause I accepted it.
Right.
So this is radical honesty too.
Mm-hmm.
So to really be able to shiftand have a deeper connection
with others, we must beradically honest.
Mm-hmm.
And then have that radicalself-love.
That's when everything changes.
Yeah.
And I love what you're sayingtoo, in terms of the change.
(16:13):
It doesn't necessarily take, ittakes as long as it needs to
take for you.
So there's no magical bullet.
Yeah, exactly.
I'm still going.
Well, I have the man of mydreams.
I have the most magnificentlife.
I look at it and pinch myself ona regular basis.
Love it.
Bruises all over my body.
'cause I'm like, you know,seriously though, I absolutely
(16:35):
love my life.
And just the other day, I won'tgo to the details'cause it
doesn't matter.
Yeah.
I had this, um, challenge with adear, dear friend of mine and I
was like, I have to share thiswith him.
I'm not gonna sweep this underthe rug.
And he was like, I can't believeyou were thinking this Junie, I
love you.
And I was like, well, underneathmy fear was I didn't wanna
(16:56):
disappoint him.
Yeah.
I didn't wanna fall short in hiseyes.
And we had a conversation aboutthe fact that.
I noticed that thread of, Ooh,I'm afraid of losing our
friendship not to at a bigextreme.
And it wasn't this big monsterof a, oh my God.
However, right.
I noticed that resistance and Iwas like, yeah, oh my gosh, I
need to have a conversation withmy friends.
(17:18):
'cause I don't wanna sweepanything under the rug.
And of course, yeah.
What, what happens of deeperconnection, a deeper
understanding and more love foreach other.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Communication is so, so pivotalin the work that you do.
Absolutely.
And that honest communication,which I don't think you can get
(17:38):
to until you have that bigfoundational piece of that
radical self love, becauseyou're not, you're not
pretending anymore because youknow your truth that you've
talked about not pretending.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's the wonderful thingabout midlife and beyond, you
know?
It's one of the things thatwe're like, yeah, I'm not doing
(17:58):
that anymore.
Yep.
Life is too short.
I, you know, this is my life.
I'm not playing those gamesanymore.
Yeah.
And yet, even though weintellectually say that
sometimes we might be findingourselves doing the thing again,
it's like up there it is again,worrying about what will they
say, what will they think,what's their opinion so we can
catch it.
And it can be so much more easyif we do the healing work and
(18:23):
release it and let it go.
Right.
Right.
Thank you so much, Junie.
Your work is invaluable.
I'm so blessed, so blessed tohave our conversation today.
I have one more question.
Is there anything you would loveto leave our audience with
before we close up and make surepeople know how to find you and
(18:46):
know some of the things that areupcoming?
Thank you.
Thank you.
Well.
With this conversation thatwe're having, and I shared this
with you before we went live, Ihave been online and I've been
working with women for over 30years, 35 at this point, right?
And specifically women startingover for about the FI last 15
years.
And what I've realized is.
(19:09):
Not only do I ever reach online,I love being in person and I
really wanna make a biggerimpact in the world when it
comes to love and relationships.
Mm.
So I am literally in the processof birthing my own talk show.
Yeah, I know.
It's so exciting.
It's called Your Best Life withJune Moon.
It's a small audience.
(19:29):
However, we are gonna be livestreaming it.
For ticket with tickets all overthe world, because I want
everybody to have access to it.
And we are building thatawareness right now.
It goes live in October.
We're gonna be doing giveaways,we're gonna be giving, you know,
free access, um, early accessfor VIP, access to tickets,
okay.
And discounts and all thosethings.
(19:51):
There's gonna be a lot offestivities leading up to this
Magnificent, your best life showthat has a, uh, a, a live
dating.
Game in it as well.
So it's, it's a platform toreally help people up level
their life in all aspects, loveand relationships.
So I would absolutely love todrop my Instagram link for your
(20:12):
best life for people to hop onover.
We are just starting, but we'regonna be doing some really great
things there, and you could getearly access for.
All the tickets and, um, andthen I'll just, you know, my, my
website is midlife love outloud.com.
Okay.
Uh, midlife love out loud isalso my handle pretty much
everywhere.
I absolutely love helping womenYeah.
(20:34):
Really claim this chapter ontheir terms full out.
Uh, and so.
My, my show is gonna be abiggie, and I would absolutely
love to have your audience inthe virtual arena with you.
Yeah, absolutely.
That is so exciting, longoverdue.
Thank you.
It's really, it pulls it alltogether because I was an
(20:55):
actress in the early part of mylife, so I, I love being on
stage.
I love interacting with people,and now that I know how to do.
Video and live, and the camerasand the lighting and oh my God,
it's gonna be so much fun withamazing guests.
And like I said, the ultimatematch dating game, which is, oh,
that's like, that gonna be somuch fun in itself is a blast.
(21:17):
I, I'm so excited.
October, October.
Yeah.
I'm calling it Oprah meets thedating game.
There you go.
I love it.
Sounds fantastic.
No surprise there, Junie, it hasbeen such an honor to share
space with you.
You've got so much to give andwe will make sure all the show
(21:40):
notes are up to date.
So make sure you jump into theshow notes, grab what you can
There.
Connect with Juni, follow her.
She is not sleeping at thewheel.
This woman is one busy girl.
And when I connected with her,she goes, I only I can do, I
could do.
And she, she somehow creates,um, time and space to be here
(22:04):
with me today.
And I am so grateful for that.
So thank you.
Thank you.
You're so welcome.
I mean, balance is a thing, youknow, if we really wanna have a
great life, we need to have thatbalance and being with you.
Really connects to my mission aswell as my joy.
Yeah, so thank you.
Perfect.
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