Thriving in the Eye of the Hurricane | Joseph Nguyen: “Helping others realize their divine purpose” - Thriving in the Eye of the Hurricane: Podcast with Joe Bailey

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Well welcome everybody to I don't know which episode is
which episode is and I thinkit's 16th 16th episode of
thriving in the eye of thehurricane podcast. So welcome to
all of you. Again today on thisbeautiful spring day here in
Minnesota, the flowers are allblooming, I've never seen so

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many wild birds and birdsnesting outside my window, it's
just been such a delightful timeof the year for rebirth. And in
that spirit, we have awonderful, youthful young,
budding star, I would call himin the three principals named

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Joseph nagging who someone Iworked with briefly. And he was
one of those clients that justcaught on, right away. Anything
I'd say, Oh my God, that's justso true. And it would just
resonate with him. And he's thisAOC is smiling face here. He's

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just so full of innocence,presence, and joy. And it's very
contagious. And as a coachhimself, he started seeing the
power of three principles, andthe simplicity of the three
principles. And he got inspiredto start writing his own book.

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And so I would consider Joseph Arising young star in the three
principles community, a veryfresh, powerful, innocent,
humble. So in the way he writesin the way he speaks, and he

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just has, you're just gonna,you're in for a real treat. And
so, as I was thinking of Who doI want to have on here, next,
because I've had on a lot ofpeople who were in the book
initially that I interviewed forthe book. But Joseph is like,
gives me hope for the nextgeneration here. You know, as

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you know, some of us are passingthe torch on to the younger
generation, us old timers, thathung out with Sidney banks in
the early days. And we're beenteaching a lot of people, but
it's time to pass it on to thePeters and the Josias of the
world. So many 1000s, hundredsof 1000s of new people are

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coming into the threeprinciples. And each of them has
their own unique way ofpresenting it. So I'm gonna say
Joseph as a coach. That's whathe does for a living, but he has
been an entrepreneur, he has anextraordinary story of helping
his mom and helping her createan incredibly successful

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business as just a teenager. Sohe's, he's just got HAL has a
lot to offer the world in manyways. But in terms of his depth
of understanding, the source oftruth being within us. And
speaking from that truth, andsuch a simple way. I encourage

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all of you to read his new bookthat she wrote in three months,
which is amazing, called Don'tbelieve everything you think,
and it's on Amazon, and it'salready exploded in sales. Nikki
has a million followers onTiktok and Facebook and all the
social media. So he he's just weasked him before Well, how did

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you get so successful? And hesaid I didn't try to be
successful or something likethat, but I'm gonna let you you
share your story Joseph and, andmaybe start tell us a little bit
about yourself and what inspiredyou to write this book and what

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was it like writing it? What didyou learn from that experience
of writing the book?
Thank you first of all, for sucha incredible intro. Oh my gosh,
I've never heard someone talkabout me for that extended
amount of time. So that is a newexperience. But I'm really just

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trying to be like you Joe. Mybetter half so thank you for
everything you've done for meand and Michael as well and all
that you've shared it's it'sbeen a just a monumental day. I
just contribution to my ownpersonal journey. And now it's
just a never ending stream of,of creative expression of myself

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the truth, everything that I amand what I can possibly offer to
the world. And so I'll startjust by the inspiration for the
book. And I never really thoughtI would write a book this soon.
I think deep down, I knew, tosome extent, I think all of us

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know what we want to do in life,the things that we want to
accomplish, and moreimportantly, the impact that we
want to have. And writing a bookwas one of those things. But I
always saw I mean, I'm only 24.
And so I always thought, oh,yeah, I'll write a book whenever
I'm, quote, unquote, successful,whatever that means. And after
I've built a business and had alive my life, and then I can

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give back to the nextgeneration, by writing a book
when I'm in my 40s 50s, whenI've, quote unquote, had some
downtime. And so it wasn't untilI this book kind of came out of
nowhere. I think that's how mostmiracles are, and all great
works. And it was out of my ownfrustration, and my own

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suffering. So it was born out ofit. Out of a lot of pain, and a
lot of emotional turmoil, justbecause my whole life, I've been
trying to find the answer to thequestion of why am I here? And
who am I? I've always thoughtabout those things. I don't know
why I kind of been plagued withthose just types of questions

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for my entire existence eversince I was probably like, eight
to 10. I just didn't understandwhy I was here and why most
people didn't understand whythey're here also. But it just
always came back. And sothroughout my entire life, you
could probably imagine how muchanxiety that causes a little
kid. Because I think it causesanyone anxiety, if you're if

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you're, I don't know, 3040 5060sanybody any age, yeah, 70s still
still young as ever. And so thatI just had so much anxiety in my
life, I didn't know why I washere, what I was doing my
purpose in life, I didn't knowwhat my gifts were, I didn't
know what I can contribute tothe world. But I knew deep down

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that I really wanted tocontribute something to this
world. So with that, I startedmy own business and try to help
my parents get out of a milliondollars worth of debt. And
that's how I started my wholeentire journey. But throughout
that whole entire process, eventhough I was making a really
good living, and scaled thebusiness up to multiple, six
figures, I was still really,really empty. I was relatively

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successful by most people'smeans, but I still felt like I
was just doing it as a means toan end. So just trying to get
money or just trying to make aliving or just trying to, quote
unquote, become free. But themore ironically, the more
success, quote unquote, I had,the more anxiety I had, the more
negative thinking I had going onjust the more problems like they

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the old adage of more money,more problems I was living that
I was definitely just piling iton. Like the there is a direct
correlation with my bankaccount, and the success of the
business and how much anxiety Ihad. And I think that's very
true for a lot of people whoexperience I would say physical
success without being properlygrounded in truth in themselves

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in an awareness that goes beyondthemselves. So that's what I
really went through. And Iagain, was plagued with the
question of, I don't know whyI'm here. I, quote, unquote,
made it and I am more miserablenow than I ever was before.

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And it was just a downwardspiral until finally one day hit
rock bottom. And I think, Ithink for most people, unless
you're really self aware,somehow, you have to hit rock
bottom before you take that leapof faith because there's nowhere
else to go. And that leap offaith is into the unknown, into

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something that you knew you'vealways wanted to do. And just
following your intuition,because you've run out of
logical reasons to do things.
And so that's what I did. And atthat rock bottom, I was
literally fetal position in mybed. Just didn't know what to
do. I've had multiple momentslike that, but this one was the
worst of all. I was in $40,000worth of debt, just a really bad

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business partner split. I didn'tlike what I was doing at all. I
had a client base but I reallyhated doing what I was doing,
which was advertising. And forsome reason, everything I loved
I started to hate. And in thatmoment of that rock bottom, I
asked myself the question ofWhat do I want to do with my

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life? Just why am I here? And Ithink this one question kind of
springboarded me into somethingnew. And it was the question of
who was actually my favoritequestion of all time, but it was
if I had infinite money. So if Ihad infinite money, like pretty

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much all the time in the world,and I had infinite resources, I
had no fear and receive norecognition for what I did. What
would I create? Or what would Ido with my life? And I didn't
understand the power of thatquestion. When I asked it, but

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the first things that came upfor me, were coaching, writing,
and speaking, those were thethree words that popped into my
mind. And I think everybody hasthose just ruminating in the
back. But we very rarely get achance for it to surface. So
that's when I heard and I justknew that I had to move into
that direction. Even though Ihad no idea what what that

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looked like, I didn't have anycoaching clients, I don't really
know how to coach and I've beentrained as a coach. I also never
learned how to write a book ordid anything in that regard. And
I really hated language arts andwriting growing up, absolutely
hated it. And so it seemed likethe most unlikely thing to do.
But I just went with it anyway.

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Because there's no other optionfor me, I just didn't know what
else to do. And I was just goingto, like, might as well go down
this path. And so that's, that'sreally what I did. But that
question was so amazing, becauseit removed all essentially, my
ego died. Like, at that moment,I think there's lots of periods
of times where that happens. Butin that moment, that question

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caused me to let go of that oldversion of myself, and to really
explore the possibilities thatwere here. So that question,
removed the excuse of money,that question remove the excuse
of resources or time, it removedthe excuse of fear. And it
removed the excuse ofrecognition. Because a lot of

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times, I think we will myselfincluded, I always did things so
that other people could see sothat I could feel good about
myself for a very short time,and then it kind of spirals out
of nowhere. So that thatcompletely removes all of the
things that the ego latches onto or the thinking minds latches
on to, to try to control things.
And so with that, that's reallywhat happened, it removed all

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logical reasoning, I would sayit in the mind, and that it
burst, the, I would say, maderoom for intuition to come
through for truth to be madeself evident in that moment, and
then I just followed it. Andpretty much ever since then,

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I've just followed that stillsmall voice instead of the
really loud, obnoxious, thinkingmind that it seems to have a
stranglehold on the mind. So Iwould always then go and consult
my intuition instead of what doI think I should do in this

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moment? Because honestly, whenwe're following our intuition,
or truth, or the universe,Infinite Intelligence, there is
no logic in that just like love,there is no logical reason that
we quote unquote, love someoneelse, love ourselves, love our
family, significant otherspouse. There is no logical
reason there. And so I justrealized that connection, and I

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was like, Okay, let me justfollow love at all times. And I
just really wanted to live mylife based off of that just pure
love, pure positivity.
And just live a life that Ireally enjoy every moment
instead of just constantlyworrying all the time. So that

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was the beginning of my questionto the three principals. So I
think at that point, I found outabout Michael Neal took his
course on business, or executivecoaching, is introduced into the
three principles, then reallywanted a coach. And so that's
how I found Joe. And then that'swhen I really got into the three
principles. And that completelyjust changed my life because

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I've been searching for theanswers to this whole problem my
entire life. And I remember Iremember very distinctly that,
at some point, I wanted to findout the universal truths. Just
in the entire world there. Ifelt like there were principles
that were true everywhere,universal truths. And I don't

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know why I thought that that wasreally weird to think. And I'm
like, there's gotta be somethinggreater than the mind greater
than religions greater than allthe things that we have created.
Just with our thinking mind, andI feel like there has to be some
sort of underlying thing thatunites all things that are that
it's the whole entire world isguided by. And lo and behold,

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the three principles justplopped into my life out of
nowhere. And I've never lookedback since. And I just still
can't believe to this day thatthere is something out there
like that, that explains justhow everything works and why it
works in that way. And it mightnot be the answer that we're
that the thinking mind wants,but it is the truth. And then we

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don't really have to question itor not question it, but we don't
really have to justify it. And Ialways say that the truth needs
no justification, it just is.
And we can experience it forourselves, there's, we don't
have to convince anybody, wedon't really have to try to
persuade in any way. And that'skind of the beauty of this. And
I really love it. And it's justso empowering, to be able to

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know this. And it's not like itwas some new revolutionary idea.
It's been here pretty muchforever, for the existence of
time, and everything here. Andso I think that's just so
beautiful, that it's been triedtested true, you can see it in

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everything. That's how you knowthe truth. It's one very simple
like Citibank says, but to It'sin everything, and you can see
it everywhere. So that's,honestly how I've been able to
find so much peace, through thethree principles, and just
realizing that thinking isreally the root cause of all

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suffering. And if I let go ofthinking, and just allow pure
thought to come through, there'sa big distinction between
thought and thinking, justallowing thought, the language
of, you know, the universereally to speak through me at
any moment in time. And peoplecall that many different things.
Infinite Intelligence, quantumfield, intuition. But all those

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are the same thing is there'sstill small voice in the back of
our minds that always knows whatto do. And when we follow it, we
feel light, energized, full ofpeace, love, joy. And when we
start thinking about thethoughts, then that's when we
start suffering, and going intoa vicious cycle of negative

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thinking. And that's what breedsall of the negative emotions
that we do not enjoy as humans.
But that is that is a shortsynopsis of the journey of
writing the bookis so beautiful, Joseph, thank
you so much. What you just saidis just get me on the edge of my

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seat, honestly. And that's theinteresting thing about hearing
truth come through a new voiceor another human being. In its
purest form it, it always seemsnew. It always seems fresh, it
always seems like, wow, that isso true. And the next thing is,

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why didn't I think of that? Butwhat you're saying Joseph is,
and what you discovered is thatit is in everyone, and it's
always there. I love thesubtitle of your book. Would you
talk a little bit about thatsubtitle? Because I think that
the title is Don't believeeverything you think. But the

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subtitle says so much. And Iwish you could just talk about
that for a second. Yeah,the subtitle that was a really
interesting one. It's why it'swhy thinking is the beginning
and end of suffering. And I wastrying to figure out a way to

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encapsulate this, this issuewith thinking. And when I heard
that was, again, that was adivine download, there is no way
I could have thought of thatmyself, because that was pure
ingenuity. But what that meansto me is that because thinking

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is the root cause of all of oursuffering, right? That is why it
is the beginning of oursuffering, but also the end when
we choose to not have to listento the thinking mind. And that's
why it's the end. So as soon aswe realize that, we understand
the genesis of the suffering,but also the I would say omega

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like the end of it. And that'sit, it closes the loop. And it
allows us to be able to just seeit as it is and not really have
to believe it. So once I sawthat for myself And realize that
oh, oh my Wait, I really don'thave to believe everything that

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I think what goes on in my headit, it isn't all truth. That was
when there was a chink in thearmor, I would say of, of that
thinking mind the ego. And thatwas the entryway to truth, which
is a really interestingmetaphor, because you really do

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have to go through it in orderto overcome it. Like the only
way through it the only way toget Yeah, it's the only way to
get past hell is through it.
That's exactly it. So just goingright in there and understanding
that, you know, it's not likerepressing thinking at all,
it's, it's realizing it, andseeing that, Oh, it's okay. It's

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there, and we can welcome itwith open arms. And we don't
have to believe it. But we cancertainly acknowledge it, and
allow it to be there and it willpass. So that was why I created
that that subtitle, because it'sso true. And it is extremely

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empowering to, to come to thatrealization that that we really
all know deep down inside.
But I just as a therapist,coach, trainer, writer, teacher,
to learn, to be able to learnfrom one of your youngest
students is really quite anexperience. I just love this,

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that. And that's, of course,that's what my, my dream, my
inspiration, my wish was to beable to train the next
generation of people in the pastthis torch to pass this on to
others, because it's it willlive forever, through the

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passing on of our own insights,our own understanding. And
that's what you've done withthis book. That one of the
things that hit me the most Icouldn't put this book that it's
not that long, it's prettyshort, but it's very short,
tight. And one of the thingsthat struck me the deepest, I
think was that it's in the stateof no thought. In the moment

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when we recognize that werethinking and don't believe
everything you're thinking, itkind of it's like a, an etch in
Sketch, you shake the box, andit's blank again. And in that
state of no thought is whereeverything is created from. But
it's created from not theintellect or the ego, your

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habits, but it's being createdfrom New Thought, divine
thought, original thought,whatever moniker you want to put
on that it's in the state of nothought that we know everything
that we need to know. And youtalk about that in such a
practical way, throughout thebook of how it prevents worry

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how it prevents stress, andstriving in your businesses or
you know, in in relationshipswith your health. And it's in
those moments where you're notthinking that you get your, your
connection touniversal thought. One thought,
divine thought. Andas a student of SIDS, he would

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often you give these conferencesand you think it's going to be
an all day conference, he talkfor an hour or two and say,
Well, why don't you guys justgo, I think we've had enough Why
don't you just go to the beachfor the rest of the day or have
a nice time. Or like, wait aminute, we paid money for this,
you know, we want to get ourmoney's worth out of this. And
it said knew when you were full.

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And you'd get into overthinkingit. And it was time to just you
couldn't think we're on setanyway, your brain just shrivel
into a little puddle ofnothingness. And you're gonna
level up and so you couldn'treally do anything anyway. But
it was in that time of notthinking that dreams are born,

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visions are born. A new life isborn. And you talk you talk
about it in your book. It's sucha fresh, truthful, humble, no
nonsense ordinary way thatreally reaches people. There's
no no lingo in this book. So Ihighly encourage people to get

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everybody else's before theysell out quick.
Yeah, and that was one that wasactually later on in the book
and I didn't think about puttingit into there until it was
literally in the middle ofwriting and I realized that
there's something missing oncewe Stop thinking that what?

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Like, what happens it like, whatam I just gonna let go of all my
thinking and just be a couchpotato. And that was one of my
greatest worries when I firstgot introduced to this concept
into spirituality and especiallythe three principles I read The
Power of Now by Eckhart Tolleand one of my greatest worries
was, okay, if I let go ofeverything, am I just going to

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just just be like, couch potato,just nothing like, I don't know
what I'm going to do withmyself. But it's actually the
opposite just evaporate? Yeah,yeah. And it was amazing to see
what happens out of it. Andthere's so many different
concepts that explain this, forexample, in art, or something or

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music. They always say, boredombreeds creativity. If you put a
child alone, with one or twothings around them in a blank
room, they're going to be bored,but they're going to come up
with games, that they can playwith themselves, or do something
with the materials that theyhave at hand. And I think that's
the most beautiful thing onearth. And that really does come

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from emptying the mind. So thatsomething new can come in. And I
think I have one of the myfavorite ways to explain it is
that everything comes fromnothing. In order for there to
be new creation, there mustfirst be space. And that's
exactly the same thing with ourminds. For there to be new

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thoughts, we must first createspace in our minds by emptying.
And just like how we can't fillup a cup that's already full, we
have to first empty it in orderfor something new to come in.
Same thing is there's so manybiblical references to this, I'm
not religious by any means. Butmany times you always hear

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something like you can't pournew wine into old wineskins.
Otherwise, it'll break. There'sjust countless stories of
similar experiences of of thistruth being expressed in so many
different ways. But that'sreally it. And so once there's,
it's literally starting with ablank canvas, like you can't

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paint on something that'salready there's a painting
there, that would defeat thewhole purpose of it. So we have
to start new, and start fromscratch. And that's kind of how
I live each day now. And justnot having to worry about the
past or the future, becausethat's, quote, unquote, keeping
a lot of that thinking going on.
And it's just not necessary. Andthat will only perpetuate the

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same thoughts, I think, I thinkthere's a stat or something
where we have Is it over 50 or60% of the same thoughts that we
had yesterday? There's a reallycool study on it. But if that's
the case, that's reallyconcerning, because I really
don't want to live the same lifeover and over again, if I'm
going to continue to suffer, andso then I'm just like, Okay,
what if I just let go of allthat, all that negative thinking

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and start new every single day,and see what happens? And it's
such a beautiful thing. Andthroughout writing my book, I
felt that same way. It's veryscary, actually. Right? Because
like, we can talk about itconceptually and be like, yeah,
like empty my mind. That'sperfect. And then when we go to
do it, oh, my God, it's a wholedifferent story. Right? Like,

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it's not as simple as Oh, yeah,let me just empty my mind even
though it can be. But then thesethoughts come in and say, Okay,
well, then who am I am not whatI think, or what's going to
happen if I stopped thinkingentirely like, how do I do
anything? How do I function inthe world? And my book literally
goes in that order. It's like,what the heck do I do? And

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what's so amazing is that thisis why the three principles is
so amazing is because it givesus these principles that we can
fall back on when we do like gothinking. And one of those
principles is infiniteintelligence. And just like
universal thought, so when wegive up our own personal

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thinking, we fall back into thisuniversal thought. That's
intuition. That is the quantumfield that is all possibilities
in the universe. So that's whathappens when we let go of our
thinking. And that's how divinedownloads happen. That's how you
get this hit of inspiration outof nowhere, saying you should

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quit your job, or you shouldwrite this book, or you should,
something as simple as youshould go take a walk right now.
And all of a sudden, when you gotake that walk, you bump into an
old friend they haven't seen ina while and boom, like you have
another rekindled friendship oryou meet a new business partner
or anything like that. There'sso many moments that we have in
our lives that we look back whenwe just gave up thinking and

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just did what came to us, andmiracles happened. And that
happens, not by accident, but onpurpose because you've let go of
what you thought you knew. Youlet go of your old self and you
allowed space for something newto come in. It's a guaranteed
miracle every time when you dothat there Just like it just

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happens every single time. Thecaveat is, is really scary doing
that. Okay. And so there's aflip side to it, which I don't
think too many people talkabout. But I think it really
helps to address it. And it'sthat when we give up our own
thinking, It's so scary. Becausewe had to start again, we don't

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know what's going to happen. Andas soon as we let go of our old
thinking, This automaticallymeans we are in the unknown. And
as humans, that is very scary,because we like certainty, we
like predictability, we likeknowing what's going to happen,
we like control, the thinkingmind that is at least. And so

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when we let go of that thinking,you will be confronted with
fear, you will be confrontedwith uncertainty, but it's okay.
To the degree that you becomeokay with uncertainty, not
knowing fear. That is the degreein which you will experience
more and more miracles in yourlife every single day. Once you

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are okay, with not being okay,things just pop into your life
that you would have neverimagined, just like me writing
this book. And me being here onthis podcast, people popping up
into your life, newopportunities show up out of
nowhere. And it is reallybeautiful to see. So to those
who have the courage to stepinto the unknown, to really be

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the pioneer and have their ownlife. And having the courage to
start with a blank canvas tocreate whatever you want, that's
the reward of it. When you havethe courage to step into the
unknown, the reward is literallyeverything. When you give up
every, like when you give up allthe old, then you are presented
and granted the new, justinfinite possibilities in that

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moment. So there is that price,but it's that price is
completely irrelevant comparedto to what could be. And it is
really amazing. So that's kindof what I would say about the
other side of not thinking,well, I could listen to you all
day are amazing. You know, whenyou were talking I was what came

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to my mind when I you know I'mat a different stage in my
career than you are I'm kind ofthe tail end of where I'm where
I've been a long journey here.
And I so I've been reflectingback from time to time about how

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all the things the miracles thathave happened in my life, the
coincidences, the opportunitiesthat seem to come out of
nowhere, it was almost always atone of those dark moments where
I didn't really know now whatnow what do I do you know, or I
was kind of in this not knowingin a way almost feeling a little

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scared or uncertain of thefuture. But knowing the
principles allowed me to be kindof quiet and that and trust that
hey, every time this happens, itreally works out great. That's
when that opportunity for thisthing or that thing that it

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looking back on those were giftsthat seemed to fall out of the
sky out of nowhere. And so Ithought my if I write another
book if I do a memoir, it wouldbe called journey on the magic
carpet ride because it's it's inthe subtitle would be happy go
lucky that when I'm when I'm notinsecure about the future, when

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I'm not concerned about how I'mdoing when I'm just happy when
I'm content in this momentis when
the miracles seem to happen. SoI that's what I was just
resonating with what you saidbut I'd like to open it up to
the rest of the group herebecause others here may want to

(34:10):
make a comment or ask a questionof Joseph. So if you want to
just go down to the bottom therewere as reactions and click on
that you can raise your hand,click on the raise hand and
we'll call on you anyoneBueller, Bueller?

(34:44):
Well, I would love to speak. I,Joseph My goodness, what a
privilege it is to be with youtoday. This is just incredible.
So fresh and light and hearingand peaceful? How are your

(35:06):
parents handling all this?
That is a veryfunny question. I love that, um,
thank you so much, Lynn forsharing that. My parents it is
quite the journey with them. Andit still is, if I'm going to be

(35:28):
completely honest, because theyare probably one of the most
devout Catholics I have everseen. And there are pros and
cons to being very, veryreligious. And I've seen both
sides of it. Not nothing isright or wrong in this case. But
so I was born and raisedCatholic. At some point, I

(35:52):
actually wanted to be a Catholicpriests just like Joe.
And then I kind of started toquestion all the things that
were going on.
Like, why is it thatwe only go to church for one
hour a week? And don't doanything else for the rest of

(36:14):
the week? Or how come no oneseems to enjoy church? Or
there's just like so many thingsthat were really odd. And it was
like, Why? Why do I feel like Iwas born into this world as not
good enough. And I have to spendthe rest of my life trying to,
to prove that I am by by theseworks and factions. And no one

(36:35):
seemed to have the answers. Andso because of that, it kind of
ventured off on my own I, youcould say, left the church, I
don't really know my stance withit. I think when you're born
Catholic, you're baptized,you're always Catholic. But then
I started to venture off on myown and start to explore the
spiritual side ofthings. And through that,

(36:59):
I had a lot of conflict with myparents, because they, you know,
images, everything in, in ourculture, and how we're presented
and how they're viewed by theirfamily and friends, is of utmost
importance. So for them to beone of the most devout
Catholics, my dad was going tobe a deacon, and he wanted to be

(37:20):
a priest prior. They basicallywere setting the example for all
their kids and all all of like,our family looks up to us our
family as like the portraitfamily, right? Like, this is
what it's supposed to be like.
Yeah, yeah. And so there's a lotof pressure there,
understandably, on my parents.
So once I left that caused awhole, really big backlash, and

(37:43):
they were not happy, theyquestioned everything, they were
really upset. My mom stillbrings it up to this day, like,
Are you not going to come backand like, it got to the point
where I asked my mom, mom, like,she was really having a tough
time with this, and life and thedebt and all of this, and my, my
dad, and I asked her mom, likewhat's going to make you happy
in this world, and she said,When my son, one gets a college

(38:06):
degree, which I don't have, andtwo, when my son is Catholic
again. And I just told her, Mom,I'm so sorry. But you're going
to spend the rest of your lifeabsolutely miserable. If you're
going to, to put a constraint, Ijust warned her. And it was so

(38:27):
difficult for me to go throughbecause I saw how my actions led
to her misery. But I knew thatit was her thinking about my
actions which caused her tosuffer. So to hold those two
conflicting thoughts. In mymind, it was incredibly
difficult. And it was not easy.
But I knew the truth, which wasbeyond me, which was beyond her,

(38:48):
which was beyond religion, thatwe're all talking about the same
thing, the way that she talksabout God, Catholicism, the
church, Jesus, it's all the samethings that I'm talking about as
well. It's just in a differentcontext. It's just a different
language. And so, I slowly overtime, she she actually begun to

(39:09):
see it because she saw thechanges that I made in my life,
and how peaceful and calm I was.
And all of a sudden, she's like,son like, what are you doing?
Like, like, how are you? How canI be as peaceful as you? And

(39:31):
that's when the gates kind ofopened for us to connect on a
much deeper level, than puttinglabels on things and saying that
you have to be x in order foryou to be, you know, free to
enter Heaven or for us to look acertain way. So, now my mom, you
know, is actually really proudof me and my brother, but it was

(39:55):
a definitely hell going through,like four or five years. years
of just constant arguing backand forth suffering tears. I
can't even count the number oftimes. Like she'd literally text
me. She actually did this prettyrecently to, like, I think, like
two months ago where she textedme, Son, I'm in church for Lent,

(40:19):
and I'm crying because you'renot here. I'm like, That is That
is crazy. And you know what,what am I supposed to say to
that? But I still just said,Mom, I love you. I'm always here
with you. I'm there with you inthe church if you want me to,
I'm literally praying for you toin my own way. Maybe not the Our

(40:40):
Father, but I'm here with you.
And I love you no matter what.
And I think overall, like she'lljust relapse sometimes. But when
she comes back, she she seeslike, This is amazing. Like, I
can't believe we can like talklike this. And she's super proud
of the book. There's all thesuccess there. Now she's like,

(41:02):
championing the book, and justhanding it out to every single
person she meets. Whenever sheintroduces me, she always just
intros it with Oh, yeah, he's anauthor. Like that. Like, now
people just know me as anauthor. Yeah. So like, I met
her, her employees the otherday, and all they call me now is
like, Oh, you're the author,right. And so that's how I walk

(41:22):
around. Now with this title, Idon't enjoy that, really, I just
want to be known as like aperson. But I find that quite
pretty comical. But she, she ismuch happier now and has found a
lot of peace in her life.
Despite, you know, a lot ofdifficult times, you know,

(41:44):
relationships and, you know,family is not always good. And
she sees how much her own likebrothers and sisters suffer. And
now she's always the person thateveryone goes to for help just
to try to find some peace intheir lives. So and she's now I
listened to her talk to her toher brothers and sisters. I'm
like, Oh, Mom, that's so good.
She's like dropping truth bombs,like, like, just tapped in.

(42:07):
She's like counseling some, someof my cousins that are having
depression, it's crazy. To seethe person that she's evolved
into, which is just more ofherself. So it is quite the
journey. And I think that's witheverything in life, there is no,
just perfect path to peace. It'sgoing to be pretty messy, but

(42:32):
quite enjoyable when weunderstand like, where to come
from, and what we're groundedin. How did that answer your
question? Go ahead. Sorry.
When did you want to respond?
You have to unmute yourself.

(43:06):
Well, great, I just wow, what abeautiful journey. What I did
hear you say that your mom wasproud of your brother too.
But we're strugglingwith Joe. So my brother. Yes,

(43:27):
he, he also kind of went downthe same path as me with leaving
the church and kind of doingfollowing our own intuition and
our own inspiration, instead offollowing the traditional path
of what everyone else was doing.

(43:51):
Which means he didn't go tocollege either. I dropped out.
He didn't even go. He graduatedhigh school year early, just so
that he'd never had to go again.
And now he's pursuing music andcreating just amazing, amazing
life changing music that moveshim and as a byproduct moves
other people. And he literallyhe just hit a million streams a

(44:12):
month, just like I think acouple days ago from starting,
like one or two years ago. Andnobody believed him, that he
could actually do it. My parentsdefinitely didn't, because
they're like, Yeah, it's likepretty much impossible. It's one
in a bajillion that you get tomake it as a musician. But just
the unwavering FAITH that he hadthat I had in him too.

(44:37):
Obviously, we have self doubtfrom time to time, but it's just
that overwhelming love of thecraft of music of just being
able to express ourselves.
That's what we followed. And I'mso proud of him to for for doing
that. And my parents were nothappy when you did not go to

(44:59):
college. I left the church too.
But now that he's making music,that's changing lives, my
parents love championing himtoo, and just introducing him as
the musician. And now one of hissongs is one of the top 50
charting in Malaysia. Random, Idon't know why it's charging
over there, but it's crazy. Andhe gets comments every single

(45:23):
day, I think 10 to 20 commentssaying, Your music is so
amazing, it moves meemotionally. Like, it's helping
me get through depression, it'shelping me calm my anxiety.
It's, it's helping me becomemore of myself. And really, it
really inspires me to pursue thething that I cherish most in

(45:44):
life as well. And that's whyshe's proud of him as well. But
again, that was not a not apretty journey. You really have
to, once you hear the truth,once you know the truth, you
really have to stick by it. Andit's going to ruffle feathers
around you, because no one seesit yet. And you have to be that

(46:06):
immovable pillar and hold thetruth for not only yourself, but
for others until they're readyto see it as well. And it could
be yours. But again, ourhappiness is not dependent on
whether they find peace or not.

(46:27):
It's whether we have that now.
And that's all that reallymatters. And it's impossible not
to have an impact when you comefrom that place.
Well, thanks for asking thatquestion limit that triggered
incredible lesson about thepower of your example, your the

(46:50):
power of attraction versuspromotion, you know, it's like
you're not trying to convinceanyone, Joseph, you're just
being who you are, you're beingyour true self, your true
essence, you're living fromthat. And that's all of that is
springing, forth, everything,all these miracles that are
happening for you and yourbrother, and your mom, and

(47:13):
everybody around you. Anyanybody else want to make a
comment? Or a question? Joy?
Thank you. You are so inspiring.
Joy longer.
Thanks, Joy.
Did you want to say somethingjoy? Yeah, unmute yourself, Joy.

(47:35):
I was just on my way out. And heto you know, cut out short, so
I'm hoping to watch therecording again. But I learned
the principles about 20 yearsago, I don't know if you would
remember Joe, but dick and hehad a contract with the Ingham
County Health Department. So Iworked for extension and

(47:58):
traveled down to Lansing once amonth. But I have to say to
Joseph that that was my biggestaha was I didn't have to believe
everything. I thought that wasso huge. And who knew that would
turn into a book. So of course,I've just ordered it. I can't

(48:19):
wait to read it. And thank youso much for for being you and
that listening to what otherpeople you know, wanted you to
be. So that took amazingcourage. And thanks so much.
Thank you so much joy.
Damian has his hand up. Unmuteyourself.

(48:48):
Hi, Joe. I listened to the wholething. I was just doing stuff
around the house, I said thevideo off. Um, thank you for the
podcast. And I've been wrestlingthroughout a book and I studied
some of the principles andAbraham Hicks and a lot of
teachers Byron, Katie, probablyfive or six different teachers

(49:10):
meeting, it's all the same. It'sall it's all the same thing,
meaning everybody teaches it'soutside the box. You know, you
have to do this by these rules,which is not true. It's like
what works for you. And inintuitively, intuition is in
charge. So what I got out ofthis is first of all, thank you

(49:31):
for writing the book. BecauseI've been wrestling to write a
book you know, I've been in theAACA and a 12 step programs and
once you this, you're alwaysthis I don't believe that. So I
have Mike the thing that yousaid the loudest was just got
out of the way and like youdon't want let me just thinking

(49:53):
about writing a book. Let me seewhat happens. That's what I got
out of it. You know, and so it'ssort of given me valid ation of
permission, like, just startwriting again. You know, and the
thing is that people beentelling me, and I heard from you
is you're not saying anything,you're just saying, Look, this

(50:17):
is my experience. This is who Iused to be. And that's not me no
more. And that's me, you know, Iused to be a different kind of
unconscious character. And nowI'm a conscious character. And
just to write about that, so yougave a good reminder, you know,
you know what I mean? And, yeah,like you said, the book is

(50:39):
short, I'll check it out. Andit's not about you have to write
like, this is the system, thisis blah, blah, blah, you know,
you made it you made a reminderto me, it's just about how were
you, you know, that my book ismainly, you know, being stuck on
stupid and people that are stuckon stupid and are stupid, we
just get stuck there sometimes.
So it's a good reminder, it's agood reminder. So I appreciate

(51:01):
that. And I just want to saythank you.
Thank you so much as well. I dowant to say a few notes fun
actually writing the book and inthe process of it, because it
does illuminate so much aboutthe creation process, which I
think is one of the mostbeautiful processes we can go

(51:21):
through in life. So and I thinkyou illustrated it perfectly,
Damien in terms of like, writinga book. And just there are no
rules to writing a book. If youlook up on Google, how to write
a good book, everyone's gonnahave their own agenda on what
that is. And I didn't do asingle one of those things that

(51:47):
they said. And the book is justtaking off. And I never taken a
course on it. I didn't even reada book on how to write a book. I
didn't consult anyone abouthating what advice you have on
writing none of that. I just, Iwas like, it's just a book. It's

(52:08):
just it's just word. So let mejust see what happens.
So I got a I got a goodquestion. What is two things?
What is one thing? I wish Ididn't follow at once. What's
one thing? You know what, I'mglad I followed that.
So I'm glad I did not followanything other than my own

(52:29):
intuition. Okay. I didn't followany articles. I didn't follow
any books. I didn't followanything, even though my own
thinking mind. Because it wassaying, You need to for I'll
just walk through examples ofwhat it was saying. The thinking
mind was saying things like, youhave no experience, you have no
credentials. You don't even havea college degree. You are super

(52:52):
young 24, you've lived like afraction of a life of what most
people are when they write abook. You just learned about
three principles two months ago,what makes you think, like, Sid,
was the master. He wrotemultiple books, didn't he say
everything that needs to be saidabout three principles? I can go

(53:12):
on for probably another hour ona lot of those things that it
was saying. But something in meonce I Okay, I acknowledged all
that. And I was like, Okay,what's behind all of that, there
was still that still small voicethat said, you need to write the
book. And there's some othermessage that needs to come out.
I didn't even know what it was,in all truth. It's funny, I

(53:37):
didn't even outline my book.
Before I wrote it, is crazy. Um,that's like the power of what
happens when you followintuition. And for me, what I
really glad that I did do was tolet go of all just preconceived
notions on what this should beeverything. Like, I read other

(53:58):
books, and I was like, Oh, itneeds to have really good
research behind it. I need toput a lot of examples I need to
put I even saw Joe's book. Andhe's like, my book. I love the
way that I wrote my book,because there's so many
different examples of my clientsin here. And the stories brings
it to life. I didn't have asingle story about other people
in my book. Right, like whichone's right or wrong? Neither.

(54:22):
And if I followed what I thoughtwas, quote, unquote, right, like
putting more and more people'sexamples in the book, my book
would not be the way that it is.
And it would not be my ownauthentic expression. And this
book it was supposed to be likesupposed to be for in order for
it to be like a New York Timesbestseller it has to be like

(54:43):
over I think like 160 pages.
Mine's a whopping like, 110 120It's super short chapters are
super short. It didn't provideany research No, like no outside
examples other than a few Zenparables and I didn't want it to
be in that way. And I just wroteit the way that I wanted to. And
all I did to write the book waseach morning I woke up and

(55:06):
asked, What wants to beexpressed through me today? Not
what I will not what do I wantto write? Not what I should
write not what not? What wouldhelp someone else going through
this? No, not even that. Becauseother people would say you need
to write this book with youryour readers in mind. No, they
knew that. I wrote what was truefor me. And I know because it

(55:32):
comes from that place ofintuition and truth that it will
help somebody as a byproduct,right? But I don't try to
engineer that.
That was good and allowed. Andevery time you every time you
every time you how can I saythis? Every time we talk about

(55:53):
validating your truth, you keeplaughing and smiling because you
trusted your truth. Period. Soperfect. I glad you said that. I
needed to hear that. Becauseit's just my story. Like it was
just my story. That's it. Whynot? Yeah. So thank you again.
Appreciate that. And Joe, thankyou for the podcast is always

(56:13):
good.
Thank you for coming. Thanks foryour questions. Yeah. Did you
have a question? Another youngbudding author here?
Or a comment? No, justabsolutely. Yeah. Thanks,
Joseph. Absolutely love it.
Yeah, just totally blown awayreally? Well, you I'm in the

(56:39):
process of writing a book aboutmy story. Which is quite
different to what you've donebecause mine is not around
principle minds around morepersonal story of addiction,
suicidal and stuff. But I getthat feeling. I only write when
it comes through me to sayingmed school, really resonated,

(57:04):
can't force it to come up whenit comes out when it was ready.
Thanks. Thank you.
I remember the first time Iwrote my first book, I was 40.
Much older than you, Joseph, Ishould have had more seniority

(57:26):
there. And someone asked me apublisher asked me to write the
book. And I said, Oh, no, no, Idon't know how to write I was
told not to go to collegebecause of my poor writing. And
all these thoughts came in. Andhe said, No, no, no, you really
get some creative ideas, youneed to write a book about this.
This is really important. So Ifinally succumbed. And, and so I

(57:48):
thought, all of a sudden, I hadall these thoughts of what is a
writer do, they get up at fouro'clock in the morning to write
before everybody else is up,they in their mind is fresh,
they they have an outline, allyou know, all of that came
flooding in. And so I am soexcited was gonna get up the
next day. And I told Michael, mywife, Okay, tomorrow, I'm gonna,

(58:10):
I'm going to begin my book. Andso I set the alarm for four
o'clock, I got up and I satdown. And then this is before
laptops or computers. And I juststarted writing on a ledger. And
I wrote the, the introduction.
And about two hours later, Icame back to Ben and Michael
said, what's wrong? And I said,I'm never going to be a writer.

(58:31):
I can't write I just I, shesays, Well, what were you trying
to write? And I said, was tryingto write the introduction,
that's the first thing. And shesaid, Well, why did you? Why are
you doing that? Why don't youwrite what you feel inspired to
write? And I said, so reallygood question. I think I'll try
that. And I went in the otherroom and I wrote, like 18 pages,

(58:56):
my hand was cramping. I was soso I was just stream of
consciousness. So I had a lot ofideas. Unlike you just about
what it meant and all of thesethoughts that I'm not not good
verbally or can't reallycommunicate in right written

(59:19):
form, it was always a challenge.
And, but inspiration doesn'tneed an education. Inspiration.
Doesn't need a degree. Itdoesn't need any experience.
It's just so we all have a storyto tell. We weren't all write a
book, but we might write a songwe might help another human

(59:42):
being who's our neighbor,whatever, it's going to come
through us. So I just I lovelike Pete writing his book about
his story is I think it's gonnatouch a lot of people as well.
So it's just gives me so muchgratitude and hope When I see

(01:00:03):
this metal being passed on to,it's just there's no end to
this. This is just endlesslygoing out in every language,
every religion, every culturearound the planet. It's amazing
how truth is seeking its levelat this point. And so, Joseph,

(01:00:23):
thank you. You're such awonderful example. How are we
doing on time here? We just ranover. So, one one more question
Damien has one more question. Orcomment?
Go ahead.
Okay, hi, me real quick. What'sthe name of the book?

(01:00:44):
Just it's called, don't believeeverything you think.
Okay. That's it. That's one day.
Thank you guys.
In the chat box down there, andthere's a link to Joseph's
website, right, James? Or,we don't have a link to his
website. You can pop it inthere, though. If you want

(01:01:05):
Joseph. And we do have the thelink to the book,
the book launch right there.
Soin the book has sold over 7000
copies within the first month.
About a month and a half, almosttwo now.
Oh, wow. That's so good. No. Ionly wish I could sell 7000.

(01:01:29):
Man. That's amazing. That'sincredible. Well, thank you,
Joseph, so much for sharing whatyou had to share with and for
writing this book and for beingwho you are unabashedly in this
world. Thank you so much. Yeah.
And thank you all for beinghere. And coming on this
podcast. We couldn't do itwithout all of you being here to

(01:01:50):
listen and share and askquestions. So thank you so much.
Next month, Mariana Golan fromMexico City from actually won
the lotto Mexico will be ourspeaker. Marina is a an
incredible writer, singer, orwriter and speaker, public, just

(01:02:11):
an extraordinary public speakerand from the heart, and is
reaching the world of Spanishspeaking people all over Latin
America and Spain through herwork. So she'll be sharing. So
hope to see you next month.
I just wanted to make sure nextmonth it's going to be on the

(01:02:33):
28th. Joe. That's right. It'snot on the 21st.
Yeah, because the annualconference is going to be
happening and so in London, sowe're making it a week later so
that Mariana is going to be inLondon speaking so we made it a
week later. Perfect.

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