February 4, 2025 • 34 mins
In this episode of Timeless Spirituality, Daniel sits down with Megan Evans, an empowerment coach and founder of The MS Stage, to explore the power of mindset, healing, and personal transformation. Diagnosed with MS 19 years ago, Megan shares her journey of resilience, self-discovery, and the incredible method she created to help women reclaim their lives after diagnosis.
🌟 Topics Covered in This Episode:
- How Megan's background in theater, dance, and mindfulness shaped The MS Stage
- The profound impact of mindset on healing and personal growth
- Her past life regression experience and the insights she gained
- The connection between emotions, physical symptoms, and deeper healing
- Transformational stories from women in her program
- The power of self-acceptance and shifting perspectives on illness
Megan's bio:
As Founder and Creator of The MS Stage and The MS Stage Method, Megan Evans has been living well with Multiple Sclerosis for over 19 years. After noticing a gap in the support community around MS, Evans created mindfulness practices through meditation, movement, and sharing stories that helped her on her healing journey and have now been proven to help others shift their mindsets around theirs. As an empowerment coach, Evans helps women around the world with MS become friends with their symptoms.
🔮 Ready to dive deeper into your own healing journey? Connect with Megan:
🌐 Website: themsstage.com
📲 Instagram: @themsstage
Free 3-day Meditation Journey: https://www.themsstage.com/3day-meditation-journey
Mini Course: https://www.themsstage.com/mini-course
Join a Group: https://www.themsstage.com/join-a-group
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Megan, thank you so much for being here.
How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Thank you for having me.
I'm so happy to be here.
It's a pleasure, true pleasure,yes.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
All right, you ready for the first question I'm doing
?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
well to answer your question.
Yes, thank you.
Yes, of course.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
What is your favorite song about time and why?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
So there's this song.
So this is a little off thebeaten path.
There's a song called Change isComing by Winter Woods.
I love the acoustic version.
They're kind of like a bogeykind of band.
I love it because it's veryuplifting.
It really it taps into reallywhat I, what I teach, and it's
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very all about like change iscoming.
I mean, that's what it sings,what they sing about and it
means you know what I believe invery much so is that anything
is possible, and so it kind ofties into what I teach and what
I do with empowerment coaching.
So I feel like it's a veryuplifting song.
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I lead a meditation to it too.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
And with regards to the guessing game for the year,
I have no idea.
I've never heard of the songbefore, so everyone's guess is
as good as mine.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, it's 2017.
I had to look it up myselfbecause it's a song I had found
on Spotify.
I had to look it up myselfbecause it's a song I had found
on Spotify.
Maybe, I don't know, it wasprobably 2018, 19 that I found
it myself and I started leadingmeditation to it and I just it
really resonates with me, thesong, and it just feels, like I
said, uplifting and empoweringand feels like anything is
(01:40):
possible.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
You ready for the next question?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
What do you believe in?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
so I kind of mentioned that.
I mean I'm a big believer thatanything is possible.
I feel that your mindset reallycan shift everything.
It can shift the way you lookat life, the way you experience
life, the way your health is.
I mean I really believe that itcreates everything.
So that would be my biggestbelief, that I would say and
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with the mindset shift, then youreally can create your own
reality and your own vision.
Whatever you're visioning, youcan create that.
And so if then, in turn,anything is possible, I like
that, and so it then in turn.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
anything is possible.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I like that, thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Are you ready for the next question?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Who is Megan?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Oh, that's an interesting one.
So do you want my, like mybrief bio, or what?
Are we going deeper with thatquestion?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Whatever comes up for you.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Okay, well, I am a 43 year old woman.
I was diagnosed with multiplesclerosis 19 years ago.
I am a lover of theater anddance.
I am an empowerment coach.
I was a personal wardrobestylist for over 10 years,
living in New York and LA andNashville, and now I'm back in
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my hometown of Charleston, southCarolina, as of two years ago,
and I created what I believe ismy work, my finest work in my
life, and it's called the MSstage and the MS state, the
method of the MS stage.
So I, uh, I work with womenwho've been diagnosed with MS
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and around the world, we work onZoom, together with the method
and the program that I createdfor them, and we use mindset,
meditation, mindfulnesspractices uh, movement, dance
and I said meditation and we usea lot of music, a lot of music
and a lot of sort of actingexercises from my days in
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theater when I was young, and soit's all kind of worked and I
help these women get back totheir true essence and figure
out what their new path is nowthat they've been diagnosed.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Since you've created the program.
How have you grown as a resultof it?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
That's a good question and that's an
interesting.
Nobody's asking that question.
So I've grown a lot from it,not only in my own healing
journey because, as I said, Iwas diagnosed with MS 19 years
ago.
So my own healing has expanded,has evolved, I've gone deeper
(04:33):
in my own practice and I'vebecome a teacher, like a true
teacher, and by becoming ateacher we have to be
responsible for I believe.
I feel like it's very importantto do our own work right, our
own inner work and deep workthat evolves, so that we can
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then be the best version ofourselves.
So I feel like there's been alot of you know, a lot of ups
and downs, but I feel that thisjourney that I've been on with
the MS stage in just the lasttwo years I want to say maybe
not even a year and a half hasbeen incredible.
But I also feel that it's beendriven by something greater and
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something almost outside ofmyself, like it was driven
through me, like it's it camethrough me, versus me just being
like oh, this is this what I'mgoing to do.
I do believe that it really wassomething that tapped into
spirit and source, that camethrough me in this way and it
evolved and I've created that,and it's been amazing to see the
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shifts that have been happeningin women's lives thanks to it.
So, yeah, it's been profound,really Very cool.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
What kind of shifts have you seen transpire with the
women in your group?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And I mean, one woman is probably going to be selling
her home and moving or gettinglike literally getting rid of
all her not all her belongings,but a lot of them and going
probably car camping with herhusband and son for a year.
And one woman is creating asort of like an e-magazine for
other people with MS.
(06:27):
And one woman actually herdream home literally just
dropped in her lap and she'smost likely buying it and it's
all these things.
And one woman got invited.
She never, she had a lot ofissues with her walking and has
had just a lot of severesymptoms in a very short period
of time.
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She used to be like a hiker anda rock climber and I don't know
did all these crazy bikingtours around the world.
And she got invited to go rockclimbing and did it again like
inside at a gym, but she waslike I never thought I'd be able
to do that.
So a lot of incredible shifts inthese women's lives and it's
(07:07):
all really thanks to theirmindset shifting and with that
they, they started to believethat anything was possible.
They started to believe, oh, Icould maybe do that, or why not
me?
You know why couldn't, why, whycouldn't I do that, and so
things just started to fall intoplace, like the universe
started to pick up on their newenergy.
And then so they didn't come tomy program expecting, like they
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thought I feel.
Like they thought, oh yeah,this will be good for me to be
in a group of women, an intimategroup, you know, a sacred space
, and, and maybe my MS will geta little bit better, kind of
thing.
They didn't.
I don't feel like they reallybelieved that like their life
might actually change.
So women are getting jobopportunities and doing all
kinds of things that they'relearning.
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Oh, we can get back toourselves again.
We can get back to our trueessence by doing this work with
the MS stage.
And it's amazing because that'swhat happened to me when I
created the MS stage.
I got back to my true essenceand here I am and I'm doing my
work, my greatest work, andthat's what's so cool, because I
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didn't even know.
I knew I had something, but Ididn't know until I beta tested
it and started actually workingwith women what could
potentially happen or what couldcome out of it.
And then, when I started toactually be like, whoa, yeah, I
definitely this something's here, something is here, and this
feels driven by a higher powerthan just me.
(08:36):
I think I'm just the vessel tohelp guide it, basically.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Well, I applaud you for turning a can of spam into
lemonade that's a good way oflooking at it.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Spam nobody's said that before in terms of instead
of lemons to lemonade, just turnthe spam into lemonade.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I love it it's probably a little bit sweeter
because of that.
That transition, oralchemization Would that be a
word for it?
Maybe, I think it's really coolwhat you're doing over there.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
So thank you, thank you so much, thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
So why is it you wanted to have a past life
regression?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So well, going back to the talk about me now being a
teacher and going deeper in myown healing journey, one of my
teachers and colleaguessuggested that it might be a
good idea and I had done what Ithought was a past life
regression, but like I mean 20,no, probably like 15 years ago,
(09:45):
with a woman who was amazing andI thought what she did was
basically what you do, which itwasn't anything like what you do
Not that she's wrong, because Ido believe that she did amazing
work too it was just different.
But I went to her because of aboyfriend situation I had at the
(10:07):
time and I felt like he and Iwere connected somehow in our
past lives.
And why and why did I meet him?
You know all of that, whatever.
But then I came to you becauseI felt like I kind of needed to
tap more into what otheremotional stuff, like what other
roots did I need to get into?
(10:29):
Like what did I really need todig into in order to also help
heal the MS, heal my actualphysical body?
Like what was I missing?
What is the mission?
Because I totally believe inour emotions are so connected to
our symptoms something I do inmy method.
We do a lot of work around thatand I was like what am I
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missing here?
And we moved back to Charlestontwo years ago and it's
interesting because I didn'trealize it was going to take me
moving back here.
I never thought I'd live hereagain.
I was gone for almost 30 years.
I went to boarding school andthen was New York and LA
Nashville.
I was gone forever.
(11:13):
I never thought I would comeback, but we did.
We did the pandemic move.
We moved back to be closer tofamily, and it's wonderful and
it's wonderful.
But what it did was it forcedme to also read, I guess, like
come back to, well, literallycome back to my roots, right and
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through that, delve into deeperwork around my you know history
, my family life, my whateverany of those old wounds started
to come up.
And at the same time, I wascreating the MS stage.
I was doing my deepest work inthe MS stage that I've ever done
, and so it was reallyinteresting to see how it
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literally took me physicallycoming back to my roots to do
all this work.
And coming to was like coming,figuring out okay, what does
that want?
Like is there a missing piece?
What am I missing here?
Right, and that's what I.
I felt like what, what else didI need to heal?
What have what had I not done?
(12:17):
And you and I talked about this.
I've done a lot of healing work.
I've done a lot.
I do a lot of meditation.
I've gone to therapists.
I've done a lot of healing work.
I've done a lot, I do a lot ofmeditation.
I've gone to therapists, I'vedone spiritual leaders, I've
done, I mean, I've done it all.
You know Reiki, whatever, andyou were different and so I
wanted to try it.
I was like, why not?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Sure, Well, thank you for sharing all that.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, I don't know, as as the the host of the show
right now, I'm just sitting hereand this is like yeah, my, this
is my inner monologue right now.
We're thinking I don't evenreally need to say anything
right now.
I think Megan's got this.
She could just take over atthis point.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
No, ask away.
What questions do you?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
have.
You're doing great, all right,so you ready for the next one.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
What came up for you during your regression.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Well, it was interesting.
I went back to my notes beforethis call.
It's good for me.
Actually, I was glad to go backto my notes.
So one thing that had come upwas well, a lot came up.
First of all, you even saidthat it was like one of the
deepest or I don't know deepest,or we went like long right and
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a lot came up for me.
So I mean, it was interestingto find out more about different
past lives I had had and whatwas coming up in terms of how
they were all connectedno-transcript.
I mean it all kind of startedto make sense in terms of,
apparently, I had a fear ofsuccess, which I didn't ever
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believe, or think that that wassomething that I was afraid of,
and so it's been reallyinteresting to sort of noodle
with that a little bit since oursession and try to figure out
hmm, okay, what's that all about, other than the three of the
past lives that showed up for meduring our session?
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All, basically, it all madesense.
They all kind of had similarissues, and so that was very
interesting.
The other thing was, you knowand we had talked about this I
left.
So I always believed I wanted tobe a director in theater on
Broadway, choreographer director, choreographer and I moved to
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New York five days before 9-11.
And I was 21 years old, I wasturning 22 on September 14.
So three days later I wasturning 22 on September 14th, so
three days later and I wasthere for an internship at a
theater company which was withincredible directors I mean Hal
Prince, stephen Sondheim.
I was working on a musical withthem.
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I mean, it was just like suchan amazing experience.
But after 9-11, it scared mebecause literally there were
armed guards on the subwaystation, you know, I mean you're
21 years old, walking aroundand I was making no money, I
literally wasn't being paid.
But I had done that, I'd savedup, I waited tables and saved up
and moved up there thatSeptember and thought, you know,
(15:29):
this is my dream, this is whatI'm going to do.
But after four months I waslike what am I going to do?
I can't.
Am I going to wait tables tomake money at night and then
work this job from nine to fiveall day?
How am I going to do this?
I knew that that was going tobe too much and I didn't know
how I was going to do it.
And so I got an amazing job at acelebrity PR firm, but it was
(15:54):
stable, right, and it was superfun and it was wonderful and I
was like the shadow.
I was like being the shadowartist behind all the big famous
actors, like Tom Hanks andMartin Scorsese and all the
people, but I wasn't actuallydoing the work that I absolutely
loved the theater work and thecreative work, and so what came
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up in our session was that youknow part of the MS, because the
MS showed up literally as I wasleaving New York, because I got
a job offer to move to LA and Iwas on the way from New York to
LA and lost feeling on the leftside of my body and what really
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hit me during our session wascould it be that my body was
like no, I don't want you, Iloved LA, I still love LA.
But I wonder if that was mybody's way of saying you
shouldn't leave New York, youshouldn't have left, you
shouldn't have left theater.
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You were on path to do what youabsolutely loved, you should
have stayed with it.
And I gave up on that dream.
I mean, I went a differentdirection.
I'm not saying I haven't liveda great life and I've had
amazing career and I've had alot of different jobs and met
amazing people.
But what's interesting with theMS stage the stage right we're
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coming back to ourselves thesewomen in the group and I'm using
elements of theater to get themthere, and so it's truly like a
win-win, because I'm comingback to myself, and so are they,
and I'm using, like I said,elements of theater work that I
used to do, because I'm comingback to myself, and so are they,
and I'm using, like I said,elements of theater work that I
used to do, because I grew upacting too.
I was in commercials and inplays when I was little.
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I was in like adult actingclasses when I was eight years
old.
You know that kind of thing.
So, anyway, hopefully thatanswers your question.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
You mentioned that where you lost the feeling in
the left side of your body,right when you moved out to.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
LA yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Work with me on this one, cause I don't know where
I'm going with it.
I'm going to try not to mincemy words too much here, just to
get it out, cause, yeah, this isa I don't.
I don't know how to approachthis one, directly, or Okay?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
You just don't worry how to approach this one
directly, or okay, you justdon't worry about it it almost
sound like, or sounded like,your body was punishing you for
leaving I mean I don't think itwas punishing me.
I mean I haven't, I didn't thinkof it in that way.
I feel like it was more of a.
I always say symptoms arereminders, right, they're just
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messages.
They're basically being likehey, pay attention, knock, knock
, knock, right.
So any symptoms and I tell mystudents this too like any
symptoms that show up, are justmessengers.
They're just trying to get youto pay attention to them.
So, I don't see it as apunishment at all and that's
another way of the mindset shiftand me looking at things the
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glass half full, not half emptyand of the empowerment around it
that to me it's more that mysymptoms were being like hey,
wait a second here, like are yousure this is what you want to
do?
Is this where you need to begoing, aren't you?
Maybe you want to go back,maybe you want to be in, to be
in.
You know this.
Are you really ready to leavethat dream life that you've
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always your, your truecreativity that you've always
wanted to do and pursue?
So who knows, right, like where?
Who knows what would havehappened if I had stayed, or if
I had stayed in theater all thistime and not moved to LA and
stayed in New York?
And I mean I would, I probablywould.
Well, maybe I would have met myhusband, actually because he
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lived in New York too.
But who knows what would havehappened?
But you know, you can't go backand say shoulda, coulda, woulda
or whatever, or I wish or Iregret this or that.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Cause.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I don't.
I feel like I had, I've had,some crazy circumstances.
I I was in New York on nine 11.
I mean, it's like you know,there's been a lot of crazy
circumstances in my life and soI think, as a 21, 22-year-old,
it's natural to be like, well, Idon't know, I don't, I want to,
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I'm scared, I want stability, Ineed a real job.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Also just to clarify on my end probably shouldn't
have minced my words in that way, because I wasn't trying to
suggest that your body waspunishing you.
I know it's a bit of a headscratcher for me, because I'm
far from the dictator andarbiter of the way that these
things work when it comes tosymptoms manifesting themselves.
(20:42):
What's peculiar to me aboutthat is why would your body slow
you down when you were making amove?
Because would that be whatwould get you back quicker by
slowing you down in that respect?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, well, I mean, I the body left side, by the way,
is your female side, if youlook at it that way and I named
my symptoms.
Everybody I have in my programnamed their symptoms.
My left leg's name is Roxy, whois actually a character name in
the musical Chicago, and thatwas the first name.
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I tell everybody, it's just thefirst name that comes to you,
don't overthink it.
And Roxy came to me and so thatjust happened in the last year,
which is when I developed thattool that I work with with my
students.
So I definitely feel like hersuperpower is that she tells me
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to slow the hell down and I wasgo, go, go.
I mean New York, living in NewYork is go, go, go all the time.
So I feel like maybe, I meanmaybe she was just showing up to
say slow down, take a minute,you know, step back and see what
you really want to do.
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Probably I was young, I wasgiven this job opportunity in LA
and I thought, well, given thisjob opportunity in LA, and I
thought, well, because nothingwas.
That was the thing.
I had been interviewing with aton of different people.
I mean that, oh, that was theone thing I interviewed with Baz
Luhrmann, who I love, and hewanted to move me to Australia
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to be like his productionassistant on a new film.
And I was like, yes, I will doit, I will move to Australia
because I wanted to do that workand I he's one of my favorite
directors.
And he ended up they called meand said he doesn't want to,
they don't want to deal with thevisa, like it's going to be a
whole thing, we're going to haveto hire within Australia.
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And I was like, okay, so thatwasn't meant to be.
So it was like all these thingsjust weren't falling into place
for the jobs that I wanted.
And I got this one in LA and Ithought maybe that's where I'm
supposed to be and so that ledme there.
Was it the symptom of the leftside telling me wait, no, don't
go.
What you really need is in thetheater?
(23:10):
Maybe, you know, because thoseweren't the jobs I was going
after.
I was going after jobs, you know, at Vogue magazine, graydon
Carter at Vanity Fair and MikeNichols, film director, and Baz
Luhrmann in Australia.
I had gone after all these hugejobs and had amazing interviews
, but for one way or another itwas like that wasn't going to
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work out or no.
They decided they didn't needto hire right now.
Or you know, it was like allthese things and I was like,
okay, so for whatever reason.
And then I went to Sundance forthe film festival and ran into
this guy that I had knownbriefly back in Charleston.
He didn't live here, hemight've gone to college here,
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but he was older than me anyway,and he was in the industry and
he had his own company.
And he was like why don't youcome?
Like come to LA, come work forme.
I want you to come work for me.
And so it was like I thoughtthis was an amazing opportunity.
I'm going to take it becausenothing else was working in New
York.
So I really thought, well,maybe I'll, maybe it's LA, but
maybe that's where I'm supposedto be.
So I don't know, I can't answerthat question because I don't
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know.
I mean, there's no way toreally know.
I think it was definitely mybody's way of being like pay
attention to me.
You know, slow down, payattention.
And LA did provide me, thankGod, a more of a wellness
community out there, morehealthy food, because I didn't
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go on an MS drug for 14 years,so out there I had an
acupuncturist and a homeopathand a you know, I had all my
wellness people, on top of thefact that people knew what
gluten free was, Whereas in NewYork back then there weren't
juice bars on every corner.
I mean now I feel like there'sjuice bars every 10 blocks, but
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that was not the case at all.
That was not healthy options.
People were drinking beer,having pizza because it was
cheap and we were broke.
I mean, I made you know, Ibarely made enough to pay my
rent, and so that would havebeen a much harder place to be
sick, for sure.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, I mean also with regards to slowing down at
the time.
I can't imagine that you werekicking back with your feet up
all the time while you'regetting ready to move to LA and
just prepare for all that.
So it probably was a relativelychaotic time in your life.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Oh gosh, it was super chaotic.
I mean, luckily my job in LAwaited for me for a month
because I was diagnosed.
I came home to Charleston toget my car.
My mom and I were supposed todrive across the country with my
car that I left here for a fewyears because it was like paid
off.
I had it in college and Ithought, well, if I ever need it
, it'll be there kind of thing.
(25:57):
And so we were going to driveit across the country and then I
got here after that weekend.
I had already been having somesymptoms when I was like, oh,
I'm just stressed, I'm justtired because of this whole
craziness from the move andwhatever.
So I kept writing them off allweekend and then I got to my
sister's house and my legbuckled and I was like
(26:18):
something's really wrong, causeI already hit was noticing
symptoms and I was likesomething's not right and so I
was diagnosed here and theywaited for me for a month until
I got well enough to get outthere.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, I mean, the universe works in mysterious
ways.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, and in some ways it could have.
You know, it was like saving metoo in a weird way, because it
was forcing me to get healthierand, you know, change my
lifestyle at a young age.
But it did and in some ways and, like I said, la was a great
place to be.
For that it would have beenmuch harder in my early twenties
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to be in LA I mean, to be inNew York and deal with what I
was dealing with and not have asmuch access to more healthy
stuff would have been a lotharder and more people who were
open-minded about that.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, LA is pretty good for that.
Yeah, All right.
Here here's a the shot out of acannon right now.
I think that'd be theexpression for it.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
What's coming up for you right now that you think
someone needs to hear?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I would.
What just came up was believein yourself and listen to
yourself and listen to your body, because your body really holds
all the answers and the magic.
But you have to, you have tohave conversation with your body
.
You have to ask them what theywant, what they need, you know.
Why are they?
(27:58):
Why is this or that happeningin terms of symptoms, or what do
they really need from you rightnow?
And so that is, yeah, I feellike that's the most important
thing, because our body reallyholds the answers.
And I will also say that thetrue key to healing is
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acceptance.
So I had to go on a journey ofacceptance five and a half years
ago, when I had my worst MSexacerbation ever, lost feeling
from the neck down, and I hadnot been on a drug, as I
mentioned, for 14 years, and soI had to really dig deep because
I realized that I hadn't fullyaccepted the MS.
(28:44):
I had been really in fight orflight.
I mean, I had, I would say andI still say this, because I
don't believe in owning a label,but I still say I was diagnosed
with it, but I still didn'tfully believe that.
I still felt like I'll reverseit.
I didn't believe that itexisted.
You know, I just was like infight or flight around it.
(29:05):
I wasn't really just likesitting with it and like I do
now, like talking to it andunderstanding, like what does it
need for me?
So accepting was the huge thingfor me and being willing to
finally accept an MS drug.
But I do that in a muchdifferent way.
I mean I literally when I takemy pills or I used to give
(29:27):
myself injections, now I takepills, but I bless them, I thank
them for working as I take them.
I, you know, have conversationwith them too, so that it's an
energetic exchange rather than aoh, I hate taking this or oh,
this is so annoying.
It's like no, as you're usingit or doing it or whatever.
You know, thank it for workingfor you.
(29:50):
That's yeah, those would be mytwo.
You asked for one, I just gaveyou two.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
That's okay.
What do you feel the differenceis between acceptance and
submission?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I wouldn't call it submission, I maybe would call
it denial.
Um, I wouldn't call itsubmission, I maybe would call
it denial.
Acceptance to me is not like Isaid.
It's not owning the label, it'snot saying oh, I give up, I
accept it, I've got it, I haveit, I am it, whatever.
(30:26):
And my life, will you know, mylife has changed forever and I'm
the victim of it.
That is not acceptance.
In my mind, acceptance is yeah,I see this, it's an entity,
this is a thing.
Here's the MS.
I can name it, I can have aconversation with it.
It's there.
I actually see it.
I'm not in denial of it.
A lot of the women I work withare in denial.
They've been in denial untilthey come to me.
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They've been in denial and theydon't want to believe it exists
.
They don't want to believe thatthey have.
You know, they know they havesymptoms, but they haven't dealt
with it.
They, some of them, haven'teven been to a neurologist yet,
or they've been to theneurologist but then never
actually did anything about it,and so they're just like
whatever, this sucks my life'sover, blah, blah, blah.
(31:08):
Well, when you accept it, youactually can come out of the
denial and come to the otherside of that so it doesn't you
know, and live a better lifewith it, you can have a better
experience.
So you have to at least acceptthat it exists and it's there,
so that you can start having aconversation with it.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I'll toast to that one.
Thank you for sharing all that.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
So where can everyone find you?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
So you can go to my website, the msstagecom, or on
Instagram, at the msstagethemsstagecom or on Instagram at
the MS stage, you can sign upfor my free mini course right
now.
If this interests you, if thisfeels like it resonates with you
, you can sign up for my minicourse.
Technically, right now I'm onlyworking with women who are
experiencing MS, but thatdoesn't mean I feel like that
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anyone dealing with any illnessor autoimmune or anything could
benefit from my mini course.
So I definitely believe thatgoing through my tools and my
protocols could absolutely helpyou, and you can set up a
discovery call with me if you goto my link in bio at the MS
stage on Instagram, and I'd behappy to do like a mini 20
(32:29):
minute session with you,coaching you.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Well, thank you so much for coming on today.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I admire what you're doing, so just keep doing it.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Thank you so much.
Thank you for having me.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You're very welcome, yay.
Megan, thank you so much for being here.
How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Thank you for having me.
I'm so happy to be here.
It's a pleasure, true pleasure,yes.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
All right, you ready for the first question I'm doing
?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
well to answer your question.
Yes, thank you.
Yes, of course.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
What is your favorite song about time and why?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
So there's this song.
So this is a little off thebeaten path.
There's a song called Change isComing by Winter Woods.
I love the acoustic version.
They're kind of like a bogeykind of band.
I love it because it's veryuplifting.
It really it taps into reallywhat I, what I teach, and it's
(00:44):
very all about like change iscoming.
I mean, that's what it sings,what they sing about and it
means you know what I believe invery much so is that anything
is possible, and so it kind ofties into what I teach and what
I do with empowerment coaching.
So I feel like it's a veryuplifting song.
(01:06):
I lead a meditation to it too.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
And with regards to the guessing game for the year,
I have no idea.
I've never heard of the songbefore, so everyone's guess is
as good as mine.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, it's 2017.
I had to look it up myselfbecause it's a song I had found
on Spotify.
I had to look it up myselfbecause it's a song I had found
on Spotify.
Maybe, I don't know, it wasprobably 2018, 19 that I found
it myself and I started leadingmeditation to it and I just it
really resonates with me, thesong, and it just feels, like I
said, uplifting and empoweringand feels like anything is
(01:40):
possible.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
You ready for the next question?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
What do you believe in?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
so I kind of mentioned that.
I mean I'm a big believer thatanything is possible.
I feel that your mindset reallycan shift everything.
It can shift the way you lookat life, the way you experience
life, the way your health is.
I mean I really believe that itcreates everything.
So that would be my biggestbelief, that I would say and
(02:11):
with the mindset shift, then youreally can create your own
reality and your own vision.
Whatever you're visioning, youcan create that.
And so if then, in turn,anything is possible, I like
that, and so it then in turn.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
anything is possible.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I like that, thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Are you ready for the next question?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Who is Megan?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Oh, that's an interesting one.
So do you want my, like mybrief bio, or what?
Are we going deeper with thatquestion?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Whatever comes up for you.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Okay, well, I am a 43 year old woman.
I was diagnosed with multiplesclerosis 19 years ago.
I am a lover of theater anddance.
I am an empowerment coach.
I was a personal wardrobestylist for over 10 years,
living in New York and LA andNashville, and now I'm back in
(03:09):
my hometown of Charleston, southCarolina, as of two years ago,
and I created what I believe ismy work, my finest work in my
life, and it's called the MSstage and the MS state, the
method of the MS stage.
So I, uh, I work with womenwho've been diagnosed with MS
(03:31):
and around the world, we work onZoom, together with the method
and the program that I createdfor them, and we use mindset,
meditation, mindfulnesspractices uh, movement, dance
and I said meditation and we usea lot of music, a lot of music
and a lot of sort of actingexercises from my days in
(03:52):
theater when I was young, and soit's all kind of worked and I
help these women get back totheir true essence and figure
out what their new path is nowthat they've been diagnosed.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Since you've created the program.
How have you grown as a resultof it?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
That's a good question and that's an
interesting.
Nobody's asking that question.
So I've grown a lot from it,not only in my own healing
journey because, as I said, Iwas diagnosed with MS 19 years
ago.
So my own healing has expanded,has evolved, I've gone deeper
(04:33):
in my own practice and I'vebecome a teacher, like a true
teacher, and by becoming ateacher we have to be
responsible for I believe.
I feel like it's very importantto do our own work right, our
own inner work and deep workthat evolves, so that we can
(04:53):
then be the best version ofourselves.
So I feel like there's been alot of you know, a lot of ups
and downs, but I feel that thisjourney that I've been on with
the MS stage in just the lasttwo years I want to say maybe
not even a year and a half hasbeen incredible.
But I also feel that it's beendriven by something greater and
(05:18):
something almost outside ofmyself, like it was driven
through me, like it's it camethrough me, versus me just being
like oh, this is this what I'mgoing to do.
I do believe that it really wassomething that tapped into
spirit and source, that camethrough me in this way and it
evolved and I've created that,and it's been amazing to see the
(05:42):
shifts that have been happeningin women's lives thanks to it.
So, yeah, it's been profound,really Very cool.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
What kind of shifts have you seen transpire with the
women in your group?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And I mean, one woman is probably going to be selling
her home and moving or gettinglike literally getting rid of
all her not all her belongings,but a lot of them and going
probably car camping with herhusband and son for a year.
And one woman is creating asort of like an e-magazine for
other people with MS.
(06:27):
And one woman actually herdream home literally just
dropped in her lap and she'smost likely buying it and it's
all these things.
And one woman got invited.
She never, she had a lot ofissues with her walking and has
had just a lot of severesymptoms in a very short period
of time.
(06:47):
She used to be like a hiker anda rock climber and I don't know
did all these crazy bikingtours around the world.
And she got invited to go rockclimbing and did it again like
inside at a gym, but she waslike I never thought I'd be able
to do that.
So a lot of incredible shifts inthese women's lives and it's
(07:07):
all really thanks to theirmindset shifting and with that
they, they started to believethat anything was possible.
They started to believe, oh, Icould maybe do that, or why not
me?
You know why couldn't, why, whycouldn't I do that, and so
things just started to fall intoplace, like the universe
started to pick up on their newenergy.
And then so they didn't come tomy program expecting, like they
(07:30):
thought I feel.
Like they thought, oh yeah,this will be good for me to be
in a group of women, an intimategroup, you know, a sacred space
, and, and maybe my MS will geta little bit better, kind of
thing.
They didn't.
I don't feel like they reallybelieved that like their life
might actually change.
So women are getting jobopportunities and doing all
kinds of things that they'relearning.
(07:51):
Oh, we can get back toourselves again.
We can get back to our trueessence by doing this work with
the MS stage.
And it's amazing because that'swhat happened to me when I
created the MS stage.
I got back to my true essenceand here I am and I'm doing my
work, my greatest work, andthat's what's so cool, because I
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didn't even know.
I knew I had something, but Ididn't know until I beta tested
it and started actually workingwith women what could
potentially happen or what couldcome out of it.
And then, when I started toactually be like, whoa, yeah, I
definitely this something's here, something is here, and this
feels driven by a higher powerthan just me.
(08:36):
I think I'm just the vessel tohelp guide it, basically.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Well, I applaud you for turning a can of spam into
lemonade that's a good way oflooking at it.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Spam nobody's said that before in terms of instead
of lemons to lemonade, just turnthe spam into lemonade.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I love it it's probably a little bit sweeter
because of that.
That transition, oralchemization Would that be a
word for it?
Maybe, I think it's really coolwhat you're doing over there.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
So thank you, thank you so much, thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
So why is it you wanted to have a past life
regression?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So well, going back to the talk about me now being a
teacher and going deeper in myown healing journey, one of my
teachers and colleaguessuggested that it might be a
good idea and I had done what Ithought was a past life
regression, but like I mean 20,no, probably like 15 years ago,
(09:45):
with a woman who was amazing andI thought what she did was
basically what you do, which itwasn't anything like what you do
Not that she's wrong, because Ido believe that she did amazing
work too it was just different.
But I went to her because of aboyfriend situation I had at the
(10:07):
time and I felt like he and Iwere connected somehow in our
past lives.
And why and why did I meet him?
You know all of that, whatever.
But then I came to you becauseI felt like I kind of needed to
tap more into what otheremotional stuff, like what other
roots did I need to get into?
(10:29):
Like what did I really need todig into in order to also help
heal the MS, heal my actualphysical body?
Like what was I missing?
What is the mission?
Because I totally believe inour emotions are so connected to
our symptoms something I do inmy method.
We do a lot of work around thatand I was like what am I
(10:53):
missing here?
And we moved back to Charlestontwo years ago and it's
interesting because I didn'trealize it was going to take me
moving back here.
I never thought I'd live hereagain.
I was gone for almost 30 years.
I went to boarding school andthen was New York and LA
Nashville.
I was gone forever.
(11:13):
I never thought I would comeback, but we did.
We did the pandemic move.
We moved back to be closer tofamily, and it's wonderful and
it's wonderful.
But what it did was it forcedme to also read, I guess, like
come back to, well, literallycome back to my roots, right and
(11:34):
through that, delve into deeperwork around my you know history
, my family life, my whateverany of those old wounds started
to come up.
And at the same time, I wascreating the MS stage.
I was doing my deepest work inthe MS stage that I've ever done
, and so it was reallyinteresting to see how it
(11:57):
literally took me physicallycoming back to my roots to do
all this work.
And coming to was like coming,figuring out okay, what does
that want?
Like is there a missing piece?
What am I missing here?
Right, and that's what I.
I felt like what, what else didI need to heal?
What have what had I not done?
(12:17):
And you and I talked about this.
I've done a lot of healing work.
I've done a lot.
I do a lot of meditation.
I've gone to therapists.
I've done a lot of healing work.
I've done a lot, I do a lot ofmeditation.
I've gone to therapists, I'vedone spiritual leaders, I've
done, I mean, I've done it all.
You know Reiki, whatever, andyou were different and so I
wanted to try it.
I was like, why not?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Sure, Well, thank you for sharing all that.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, I don't know, as as the the host of the show
right now, I'm just sitting hereand this is like yeah, my, this
is my inner monologue right now.
We're thinking I don't evenreally need to say anything
right now.
I think Megan's got this.
She could just take over atthis point.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
No, ask away.
What questions do you?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
have.
You're doing great, all right,so you ready for the next one.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
What came up for you during your regression.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Well, it was interesting.
I went back to my notes beforethis call.
It's good for me.
Actually, I was glad to go backto my notes.
So one thing that had come upwas well, a lot came up.
First of all, you even saidthat it was like one of the
deepest or I don't know deepest,or we went like long right and
(13:34):
a lot came up for me.
So I mean, it was interestingto find out more about different
past lives I had had and whatwas coming up in terms of how
they were all connectedno-transcript.
I mean it all kind of startedto make sense in terms of,
apparently, I had a fear ofsuccess, which I didn't ever
(13:59):
believe, or think that that wassomething that I was afraid of,
and so it's been reallyinteresting to sort of noodle
with that a little bit since oursession and try to figure out
hmm, okay, what's that all about, other than the three of the
past lives that showed up for meduring our session?
(14:19):
All, basically, it all madesense.
They all kind of had similarissues, and so that was very
interesting.
The other thing was, you knowand we had talked about this I
left.
So I always believed I wanted tobe a director in theater on
Broadway, choreographer director, choreographer and I moved to
(14:44):
New York five days before 9-11.
And I was 21 years old, I wasturning 22 on September 14.
So three days later I wasturning 22 on September 14th, so
three days later and I wasthere for an internship at a
theater company which was withincredible directors I mean Hal
Prince, stephen Sondheim.
I was working on a musical withthem.
(15:05):
I mean, it was just like suchan amazing experience.
But after 9-11, it scared mebecause literally there were
armed guards on the subwaystation, you know, I mean you're
21 years old, walking aroundand I was making no money, I
literally wasn't being paid.
But I had done that, I'd savedup, I waited tables and saved up
and moved up there thatSeptember and thought, you know,
(15:29):
this is my dream, this is whatI'm going to do.
But after four months I waslike what am I going to do?
I can't.
Am I going to wait tables tomake money at night and then
work this job from nine to fiveall day?
How am I going to do this?
I knew that that was going tobe too much and I didn't know
how I was going to do it.
And so I got an amazing job at acelebrity PR firm, but it was
(15:54):
stable, right, and it was superfun and it was wonderful and I
was like the shadow.
I was like being the shadowartist behind all the big famous
actors, like Tom Hanks andMartin Scorsese and all the
people, but I wasn't actuallydoing the work that I absolutely
loved the theater work and thecreative work, and so what came
(16:16):
up in our session was that youknow part of the MS, because the
MS showed up literally as I wasleaving New York, because I got
a job offer to move to LA and Iwas on the way from New York to
LA and lost feeling on the leftside of my body and what really
(16:37):
hit me during our session wascould it be that my body was
like no, I don't want you, Iloved LA, I still love LA.
But I wonder if that was mybody's way of saying you
shouldn't leave New York, youshouldn't have left, you
shouldn't have left theater.
(16:58):
You were on path to do what youabsolutely loved, you should
have stayed with it.
And I gave up on that dream.
I mean, I went a differentdirection.
I'm not saying I haven't liveda great life and I've had
amazing career and I've had alot of different jobs and met
amazing people.
But what's interesting with theMS stage the stage right we're
(17:19):
coming back to ourselves thesewomen in the group and I'm using
elements of theater to get themthere, and so it's truly like a
win-win, because I'm comingback to myself, and so are they,
and I'm using, like I said,elements of theater work that I
used to do, because I'm comingback to myself, and so are they,
and I'm using, like I said,elements of theater work that I
used to do, because I grew upacting too.
I was in commercials and inplays when I was little.
(17:43):
I was in like adult actingclasses when I was eight years
old.
You know that kind of thing.
So, anyway, hopefully thatanswers your question.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
You mentioned that where you lost the feeling in
the left side of your body,right when you moved out to.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
LA yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Work with me on this one, cause I don't know where
I'm going with it.
I'm going to try not to mincemy words too much here, just to
get it out, cause, yeah, this isa I don't.
I don't know how to approachthis one, directly, or Okay?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
You just don't worry how to approach this one
directly, or okay, you justdon't worry about it it almost
sound like, or sounded like,your body was punishing you for
leaving I mean I don't think itwas punishing me.
I mean I haven't, I didn't thinkof it in that way.
I feel like it was more of a.
I always say symptoms arereminders, right, they're just
(18:34):
messages.
They're basically being likehey, pay attention, knock, knock
, knock, right.
So any symptoms and I tell mystudents this too like any
symptoms that show up, are justmessengers.
They're just trying to get youto pay attention to them.
So, I don't see it as apunishment at all and that's
another way of the mindset shiftand me looking at things the
(18:56):
glass half full, not half emptyand of the empowerment around it
that to me it's more that mysymptoms were being like hey,
wait a second here, like are yousure this is what you want to
do?
Is this where you need to begoing, aren't you?
Maybe you want to go back,maybe you want to be in, to be
in.
You know this.
Are you really ready to leavethat dream life that you've
(19:18):
always your, your truecreativity that you've always
wanted to do and pursue?
So who knows, right, like where?
Who knows what would havehappened if I had stayed, or if
I had stayed in theater all thistime and not moved to LA and
stayed in New York?
And I mean I would, I probablywould.
Well, maybe I would have met myhusband, actually because he
(19:39):
lived in New York too.
But who knows what would havehappened?
But you know, you can't go backand say shoulda, coulda, woulda
or whatever, or I wish or Iregret this or that.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Cause.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I don't.
I feel like I had, I've had,some crazy circumstances.
I I was in New York on nine 11.
I mean, it's like you know,there's been a lot of crazy
circumstances in my life and soI think, as a 21, 22-year-old,
it's natural to be like, well, Idon't know, I don't, I want to,
(20:16):
I'm scared, I want stability, Ineed a real job.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Also just to clarify on my end probably shouldn't
have minced my words in that way, because I wasn't trying to
suggest that your body waspunishing you.
I know it's a bit of a headscratcher for me, because I'm
far from the dictator andarbiter of the way that these
things work when it comes tosymptoms manifesting themselves.
(20:42):
What's peculiar to me aboutthat is why would your body slow
you down when you were making amove?
Because would that be whatwould get you back quicker by
slowing you down in that respect?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, well, I mean, I the body left side, by the way,
is your female side, if youlook at it that way and I named
my symptoms.
Everybody I have in my programnamed their symptoms.
My left leg's name is Roxy, whois actually a character name in
the musical Chicago, and thatwas the first name.
(21:20):
I tell everybody, it's just thefirst name that comes to you,
don't overthink it.
And Roxy came to me and so thatjust happened in the last year,
which is when I developed thattool that I work with with my
students.
So I definitely feel like hersuperpower is that she tells me
(21:43):
to slow the hell down and I wasgo, go, go.
I mean New York, living in NewYork is go, go, go all the time.
So I feel like maybe, I meanmaybe she was just showing up to
say slow down, take a minute,you know, step back and see what
you really want to do.
(22:04):
Probably I was young, I wasgiven this job opportunity in LA
and I thought, well, given thisjob opportunity in LA, and I
thought, well, because nothingwas.
That was the thing.
I had been interviewing with aton of different people.
I mean that, oh, that was theone thing I interviewed with Baz
Luhrmann, who I love, and hewanted to move me to Australia
(22:28):
to be like his productionassistant on a new film.
And I was like, yes, I will doit, I will move to Australia
because I wanted to do that workand I he's one of my favorite
directors.
And he ended up they called meand said he doesn't want to,
they don't want to deal with thevisa, like it's going to be a
whole thing, we're going to haveto hire within Australia.
(22:49):
And I was like, okay, so thatwasn't meant to be.
So it was like all these thingsjust weren't falling into place
for the jobs that I wanted.
And I got this one in LA and Ithought maybe that's where I'm
supposed to be and so that ledme there.
Was it the symptom of the leftside telling me wait, no, don't
go.
What you really need is in thetheater?
(23:10):
Maybe, you know, because thoseweren't the jobs I was going
after.
I was going after jobs, you know, at Vogue magazine, graydon
Carter at Vanity Fair and MikeNichols, film director, and Baz
Luhrmann in Australia.
I had gone after all these hugejobs and had amazing interviews
, but for one way or another itwas like that wasn't going to
(23:33):
work out or no.
They decided they didn't needto hire right now.
Or you know, it was like allthese things and I was like,
okay, so for whatever reason.
And then I went to Sundance forthe film festival and ran into
this guy that I had knownbriefly back in Charleston.
He didn't live here, hemight've gone to college here,
(23:54):
but he was older than me anyway,and he was in the industry and
he had his own company.
And he was like why don't youcome?
Like come to LA, come work forme.
I want you to come work for me.
And so it was like I thoughtthis was an amazing opportunity.
I'm going to take it becausenothing else was working in New
York.
So I really thought, well,maybe I'll, maybe it's LA, but
maybe that's where I'm supposedto be.
So I don't know, I can't answerthat question because I don't
(24:16):
know.
I mean, there's no way toreally know.
I think it was definitely mybody's way of being like pay
attention to me.
You know, slow down, payattention.
And LA did provide me, thankGod, a more of a wellness
community out there, morehealthy food, because I didn't
(24:38):
go on an MS drug for 14 years,so out there I had an
acupuncturist and a homeopathand a you know, I had all my
wellness people, on top of thefact that people knew what
gluten free was, Whereas in NewYork back then there weren't
juice bars on every corner.
I mean now I feel like there'sjuice bars every 10 blocks, but
(24:59):
that was not the case at all.
That was not healthy options.
People were drinking beer,having pizza because it was
cheap and we were broke.
I mean, I made you know, Ibarely made enough to pay my
rent, and so that would havebeen a much harder place to be
sick, for sure.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, I mean also with regards to slowing down at
the time.
I can't imagine that you werekicking back with your feet up
all the time while you'regetting ready to move to LA and
just prepare for all that.
So it probably was a relativelychaotic time in your life.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Oh gosh, it was super chaotic.
I mean, luckily my job in LAwaited for me for a month
because I was diagnosed.
I came home to Charleston toget my car.
My mom and I were supposed todrive across the country with my
car that I left here for a fewyears because it was like paid
off.
I had it in college and Ithought, well, if I ever need it
, it'll be there kind of thing.
(25:57):
And so we were going to driveit across the country and then I
got here after that weekend.
I had already been having somesymptoms when I was like, oh,
I'm just stressed, I'm justtired because of this whole
craziness from the move andwhatever.
So I kept writing them off allweekend and then I got to my
sister's house and my legbuckled and I was like
(26:18):
something's really wrong, causeI already hit was noticing
symptoms and I was likesomething's not right and so I
was diagnosed here and theywaited for me for a month until
I got well enough to get outthere.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, I mean, the universe works in mysterious
ways.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, and in some ways it could have.
You know, it was like saving metoo in a weird way, because it
was forcing me to get healthierand, you know, change my
lifestyle at a young age.
But it did and in some ways and, like I said, la was a great
place to be.
For that it would have beenmuch harder in my early twenties
(27:00):
to be in LA I mean, to be inNew York and deal with what I
was dealing with and not have asmuch access to more healthy
stuff would have been a lotharder and more people who were
open-minded about that.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, LA is pretty good for that.
Yeah, All right.
Here here's a the shot out of acannon right now.
I think that'd be theexpression for it.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
What's coming up for you right now that you think
someone needs to hear?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I would.
What just came up was believein yourself and listen to
yourself and listen to your body, because your body really holds
all the answers and the magic.
But you have to, you have tohave conversation with your body
.
You have to ask them what theywant, what they need, you know.
Why are they?
(27:58):
Why is this or that happeningin terms of symptoms, or what do
they really need from you rightnow?
And so that is, yeah, I feellike that's the most important
thing, because our body reallyholds the answers.
And I will also say that thetrue key to healing is
(28:19):
acceptance.
So I had to go on a journey ofacceptance five and a half years
ago, when I had my worst MSexacerbation ever, lost feeling
from the neck down, and I hadnot been on a drug, as I
mentioned, for 14 years, and soI had to really dig deep because
I realized that I hadn't fullyaccepted the MS.
(28:44):
I had been really in fight orflight.
I mean, I had, I would say andI still say this, because I
don't believe in owning a label,but I still say I was diagnosed
with it, but I still didn'tfully believe that.
I still felt like I'll reverseit.
I didn't believe that itexisted.
You know, I just was like infight or flight around it.
(29:05):
I wasn't really just likesitting with it and like I do
now, like talking to it andunderstanding, like what does it
need for me?
So accepting was the huge thingfor me and being willing to
finally accept an MS drug.
But I do that in a muchdifferent way.
I mean I literally when I takemy pills or I used to give
(29:27):
myself injections, now I takepills, but I bless them, I thank
them for working as I take them.
I, you know, have conversationwith them too, so that it's an
energetic exchange rather than aoh, I hate taking this or oh,
this is so annoying.
It's like no, as you're usingit or doing it or whatever.
You know, thank it for workingfor you.
(29:50):
That's yeah, those would be mytwo.
You asked for one, I just gaveyou two.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
That's okay.
What do you feel the differenceis between acceptance and
submission?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I wouldn't call it submission, I maybe would call
it denial.
Um, I wouldn't call itsubmission, I maybe would call
it denial.
Acceptance to me is not like Isaid.
It's not owning the label, it'snot saying oh, I give up, I
accept it, I've got it, I haveit, I am it, whatever.
(30:26):
And my life, will you know, mylife has changed forever and I'm
the victim of it.
That is not acceptance.
In my mind, acceptance is yeah,I see this, it's an entity,
this is a thing.
Here's the MS.
I can name it, I can have aconversation with it.
It's there.
I actually see it.
I'm not in denial of it.
A lot of the women I work withare in denial.
They've been in denial untilthey come to me.
(30:47):
They've been in denial and theydon't want to believe it exists
.
They don't want to believe thatthey have.
You know, they know they havesymptoms, but they haven't dealt
with it.
They, some of them, haven'teven been to a neurologist yet,
or they've been to theneurologist but then never
actually did anything about it,and so they're just like
whatever, this sucks my life'sover, blah, blah, blah.
(31:08):
Well, when you accept it, youactually can come out of the
denial and come to the otherside of that so it doesn't you
know, and live a better lifewith it, you can have a better
experience.
So you have to at least acceptthat it exists and it's there,
so that you can start having aconversation with it.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I'll toast to that one.
Thank you for sharing all that.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
So where can everyone find you?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
So you can go to my website, the msstagecom, or on
Instagram, at the msstagethemsstagecom or on Instagram at
the MS stage, you can sign upfor my free mini course right
now.
If this interests you, if thisfeels like it resonates with you
, you can sign up for my minicourse.
Technically, right now I'm onlyworking with women who are
experiencing MS, but thatdoesn't mean I feel like that
(32:05):
anyone dealing with any illnessor autoimmune or anything could
benefit from my mini course.
So I definitely believe thatgoing through my tools and my
protocols could absolutely helpyou, and you can set up a
discovery call with me if you goto my link in bio at the MS
stage on Instagram, and I'd behappy to do like a mini 20
(32:29):
minute session with you,coaching you.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Well, thank you so much for coming on today.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I admire what you're doing, so just keep doing it.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Thank you so much.
Thank you for having me.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You're very welcome, yay.
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