💥🎼⚡️The Art of Sound

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Before you take off, sir, what's up?
I need you.
I need you.
I didn't even put you on thespot, bro.
You gotta spend a freestyle forus man.
I need a beat or something, Yoyou can pick one out, brother,
you got the lock.
I'm gonna show me the lock up,bro.
No, you didn't.
I had to do it, bro, I gotta doit.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
I used to be that guy , bro, that I was freestyle.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
You still that guy?
No, fuck that.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'll perform and I'll be like, throw me words.
I'll tell the crowd to throw mewords.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Oh, you were one of those.
You still that guy, bro, andwelcome back to the.

(00:52):
Conversation Never Ends.
This is Timeless Talk.
I am your host, aj and man.
Today's a very, very specialepisode of Timeless Talk.
Put y'all back there, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, that's right.
Hey, quiet down y'all.
Quiet down y'all.
All right, I gotta shut up man.
So I gotta shut the fuck up now.
Hold on, bro.
Today, man, as always, yougotta slide your over to my
right.
I'll give you a proper reviewintro in a second.
But of course, we gotta givethis guest a shout out, because
this guest is special.
I mean, don't get me wrong, wehave a lot of special guests on
this show.
You know what I'm saying, Don'tget me wrong.

(01:25):
Everybody's a special guestthat comes out on Timeless Talk,
but this guy in particular, goway back with him.
You know what I'm saying.
We have a history man.
I've known this dude since 2011.
I think it was 2010.
So we go way back.
Same Rick, fan of his music man.
He's got some projects comingup.
My boy is just a diamond in therough, ready to shine man.
So we got Mem knock.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh.

(01:49):
The crowd loves you.
They know who you are.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, thank you, thank you, youdeserve it, bro, thank you,
thank you.
We're about.
We're about ovations in thisplace, bro.
You know what I'm saying, sonot frugal.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Thanks for being here .
My boy Appreciate it.
Man, thank you, appreciate you,thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
No, thank you bro.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
So, before we get into it, I feel like we got to
give.
We got to give a Mr Slideshow.
He's a.
We got to do it bro, hold onwait.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
We have a tradition here.
There's a tradition, you'reright.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
I was blue right past it.
Bro, I feel bad because mycalls would have felt type of
way if I didn't do this for him.
But to my right, we gotSlideshow.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
I feel like a little man.
Yeah, you just feel like it's.
Ah, you just woke up, now Allright cool.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
That's a signature.
Now we can start.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
It's a signature, Now we can start officially.
So you know Memnok, we know yourap.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Right right.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
We feel like I want our audience to get to know you,
if they don't know you already.
You know I'm going to ask yousome questions, bro.
First we'll kind of do aninterview portion of the episode
first.
We'll get into what's going onin your life, what projects you
got going, all that kind ofthing.
Let's do it All right, bro,let's start off with the basics.
Man, you know I know theanswers to this question, but
they don't.
How long have you been rappingfor and what got you?
If you can be brief about it,give them a brief explanation as

(02:54):
to what got you into this inthe first place and what made
you passionate about it.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
So rapping, if we're talking about not recording
music, I've been doing it thisyear.
We're going about 21 yearsbecause I started writing in
2003.
And then making music was 2004.
I was like 13 years old, and sothis year will be 20 years.
I've been recording music 20years?

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, damn, that's two decades bro.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
That's crazy man.
That makes me feel old as fuckbro.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
But you make beats too, right, I do yeah.
All right, because I can't tellthe ones that we've used.
I can't tell if it's you or JJ.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Oh yeah, I can't blow past it, because that beat.
Y'all just heard.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, I produced that .

Speaker 1 (03:32):
I produced that one.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, producing though, I've done it.
I used to mess around when Iwas back in 2011, 2012, because
Leo Legendary, but I took itserious, legit trying to perfect
it in 2020.
Ok, so I've only really beenproducing legit.
It's about to be four yearsthis year.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Oh, wow, yeah, yeah, and I've dropped a couple
projects already.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
That shit was a dope lane to fall in, though.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, no, definitely, most definitely, bro, and it
just made you.
Now you feel like you're in adifferent place as far as sound
wise, where you want to go withit right, because I know you
different.
Yeah, as an artist, you'vegrown Well, definitely.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Producing it.
Honestly, bro, on some bullshit, decided it was a gift because
it taught me to view when itcomes to rapping and working on
projects.
Producing taught me a lot ofbalance and patience, because as
a producer, you can't makebullshit out of sound.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
People don't fuck with you automatically.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
As a rapper, you can use the excuse of choosing a
dope beat and then havingmediocre rap.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Trash lyrics, because either they're going to fuck
with your lyrics or they'regoing to fuck with it.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
The beat, yeah, and I noticed that people tend to
latch on to one or the other.
You know what I'm saying, soyou want it both.
You want to captivate.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Now making music.
It's like I want to treat itlike a production album.
Everything has to be solid,even the raps At least to my
point of view and shit like that.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
And you want to grasp their attention on two levels.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
You don't want to just be right.
You want to have theirattention on you know.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
I want the beat to captivate you or to capture you,
and I want my voice to hold you, to keep you.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Definitely, bro, to keep you right.
Yeah, yeah, so I know that.
Shout out to all the producers.
Man, you guys are underrated asfuck.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
You're self included bro.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Oh yeah, hey, this hand clap is for a couple
different things.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
All right, it's for that and it's also for the intro
.
Beat, bro.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Because you did.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
I mean thank you for it.
Like loaning that to us.
Shout out to.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Niles, he was actually on that beat, it was
produced for him and it featuredme on it and that was probably
one of the first tracks.
We dropped that in 2021.
And that was like the firsttracks.
I had actually a kind of amajor stream on it on Spotify.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
It stuck with me, bro .
It kind of blew up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
And it was unexpected too, because I saw that beat.
I remember I made it, it wasfun, and then me and Niles were
like chopping it up and he waslooking for some beats and I
shot him that recorded it, sentit back and then I recorded my
verse and boom, like that shit,that shit kind of made a mark
for sure?

Speaker 1 (05:53):
No, it did.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
It definitely did, bro Shout out to a Try Called
Quest.
That's actually a sample, thatQ-Tip actually originally did.
That's just hard, bro, I can'ttake the credit of finding that
sample by myself yeah.
He said Q-Tip.
That's the Benita Apple Bomb.
It's from Q-Tip.
It's from Q-Tip.
A Try Called Quest is calledBenita Apple Bomb.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
But the beat's different.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Here's more really mellow and smooth and shit.
Q-tip always had that.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
My boy.
Ok, so we've got to give you aquick little background.
So the reason why he froze fora second when you said Q-Tip?
Because, fun fact bro, the veryfirst third co-host that we had
his name was Q.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Oh shit, and he called Q-Tip.
Oh, you did Like it was a joke.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Oh yeah, as a matter of fact, his bro's Color ID
picture was a box of Q-Tips broso it's like

Speaker 2 (06:41):
yo, it was meant to be.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
It was meant to be, bro.
It's just funny how that pannedup, bro, Because you know it's
fucking hot.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Exactly, they look you up on Spotify.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Are you on Apple Music too?

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, I'm on all platforms, for sure.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
So how would they be able to listen to your?

Speaker 2 (06:54):
music you can I mean you can If you follow me on
Instagram.
It's a better way to look it up, because if you click the link
on my bio, it has all thestreaming platforms.
So what?
Anybody has Apple, spotify,youtube, dazzar, fucking Pandora
, whatever you can find it on.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
It's a lot easier to look at.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
You got everything streaming right, yeah, or you
could just type it.
Man, I'm probably the only guywith that name.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
So if you type it in, it'll be the first one to pop.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, for sure, yeah, man.
So you know that's dope bro,like you know.
I know that you've been in thegame for a while.
So let me ask you this, man,because you know the sound
obviously has been changed sinceyour days of.
Moonlight with Leo Legendaryright.
So what you're going to have onthe show eventually too as well.
He's up next at some point.
But yeah, man, so when you weredoing music with Moonlight, you
sound substantially differentfrom then to now.

(07:39):
Why do you think you changed asan artist?
Do you think you did thatbecause you felt you weren't
getting enough attraction andattention the way you wanted it,
or do you feel like that wasjust a natural evolution of you
as an artist?

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Definitely evolution.
I think it has a lot to do withlife experiences, Because back
then it was more inspiration,Like I was just a student of the
game back then.
So I had a lot of inspirations,Like atmosphere was a huge.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
I was about to say, yeah, you could hear a lot of
heavily influenced ones.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, atmosphere I mean, he was definitely someone
that spoke through me and you'reyoung, bro, Like you kind of
just sound like a product ofyour environment.
He was a big product of myenvironment.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Facts, but, as, like you know, that's why he inspired
you so much.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Right.
So as you get older you gothrough a lot of struggles in
life.
Everybody has their time, youknow what I mean.
But I started to really kind ofuse every ingredient that
inspired me and create my ownrecipe and now it's like more of
the real me, but it reallystands for.
More of a sounds real, morelike darker, if you would say.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
I mean at least the most recent music.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
But yeah, I think his experience is that kind of
molded me.
That's a great fucking question, Andrew.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
I really appreciate that.
Bro Got a few of those.
You know the struck my own hornhere.
But, anyway, no, but yeah, man,I'm glad to hear that.
It's cool.
It's a good explanation as tohow you got to that point, right
.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
So I know that now that when you ventured into the
whole production aspect of youmaking you know rapping and all
that, obviously we know you cankill it man.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
We know, we already know you.
You're a fucking beast on thetracks you know what I'm saying
I appreciate that and I meanthat from the heart man, and I
know it may come off as a biasedopinion, but anybody that knows
real hip hop and hears thatknows you got something.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
No, you've always been a listener, bro, like
that's for sure a fact thatyou've always been supportive.
I mean, we were just talkingabout it before this.
You have projects that I don'teven have anymore.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Fake big things.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I legit just asked you like yo, can I get that
Moonlight?

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Just you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
He said can I have that back, bro?
Legit right.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Before bro, no cap.
No cap before the show Justright now.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Before the show bro off the record, he was just like
hey, man, I was just talking toLeo about this the night.
Bro, you need to give me thatproject.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Can I have that back right now?
I have them all, bro.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Like I got you bro, I'll send it to you.
I got everything.
I keep electronic ebooks andeverything man.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Talk about it on somebody that believes in how
y'all balance off of each other.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, man, because I mean, like I said, bro, I've
always kept it real with him.
I've always been real with you,I've always been critical and
gave you an honest opinion.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (09:50):
I'm saying Honest.
I've always kept it a buck withhim because he's always kept it
a buck with me.
So if a graphic designer or thelogo I made or a cover I made
for him wasn't right, but nah,bro, that ain't it, it's nice,
but that's not what I had inmind and I never got asked her
about it.
I just wished it because youknow what?
It's not just my vision, butit's the artist's vision as well
.
You know what I'm saying?
Like they want it, they have toflow with their music and I

(10:11):
kind of tell them I always liketo hear it before everybody else
, so I can get an idea of how Iwant the cover to turn out
looking, so it can match thevibe of this music.
You just make sense.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
As far as it does.
Yeah, so you know what I'mtrying to say.
You guys said that you go backto 2011,.
But how exactly did you guysmeet, oh?

Speaker 1 (10:27):
man.
We met through a homie.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah we met through a homie that we both actually
went to high school with.
He was an SMC that's how hisname is Dolly but I met him
prior to him.
But I met him through a homiecalled SB and you know I found
out he made music, he fuck withme and whatnot, and then from
there we did a local backyardboogie show and it was.

(10:50):
I forgot what it was, but itwas real cold that day, bro.
It was fucking cold that day,bro, and that's when I met him
and we chopped it up and I foundout because a homie Ness was
rocking like a Miners cut shirtwhen I met him Back then.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
That was the brand back then.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, they were doing clothings and shit Like
clothing line called Miners Cut.
So, we chopped it up.
And then he did a logo onFacebook, because Facebook is
what we had at the time and hedid the logo for Ness and I hit
him up.
I was like yo, can you do onefor my name?
He hit me up, he did one, wechopped it up, and then I was
working on a mixtape calledBlood Diamond in 2012.
And that's when you created mycover.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah for the front and back cover, which I'll put
on the screen for you guys tosee, above our head right now.
Man, yeah, that's the.
I still have it.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
It's like a show to him.
Yeah, man.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
I still, so that what you guys see above me right now
that's the album cover he'stalking about.
Our mixtape cover is basicallya good.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
It was a mixtape.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
It was a mixtape cover you know what I'm saying
and the front and back.
I did the front and back forhim, and then I put an old image
of when we first met up theretoo.
Man, that's crazy, Bro.
We go back.
Yeah, we go way back.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
It was cool.
We go back for show.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
You know.
So the history's there.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
OK yeah, y'all pushing over a decade now.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yeah, yeah almost, yeah, working on two.
Yeah, it's working on twodecades now.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Man, it's a long time .

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, bro, that's a long time, yeah, man.
So my thing with you, miles,and all right.
So now let me ask you thedifferences between being a rap
artist or a hip hop artist andwriting your shit.
Obviously, when you make a beat, is it similar or is it
different?
What are the differences?
They're different, right?
Like?
Obviously, when you're making amelody, it's different than
writing a rhyme, right?
Yeah, clearly yeah, as far asmechanically goes, I guess not

(12:27):
in any physical sense.
But my question, I guess, Iguess what I'm trying to say is
how was that transition for you?
Was it?
Was it?
Was it challenging?
Was it like where did it justcome?

Speaker 2 (12:36):
like second nature it was it was more fun, like when
I first.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Because I remember you would just fuck around
something, Bro.
I fucked around and made this.
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, like you're talking about beats, right.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, when I first started it was 2020.
And like I just I was justhaving fun with it, like I was
kind of more studying theprogram of how it worked, and
you didn't make some playfulbeats back in 2013, too.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, I did, I did, you did fuck around and show me
some stuff, but it was likethere's like making beats and
then there's mixing.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
You know what I mean.
So my thing is like I made thebeats, it was fun for the homies
and shit.
We were all like faded orwhatever.
But then when it came to reallylike trying to, like you know,
engage an audience, I was.
I was kind of studying it, likeI was doing my fun with it.
But I was learning, like, ok,you can do this.
Oh fuck, I got to work the drumthis way, I got to mix the
snare this way, the hat this way, and I would show like the

(13:18):
homies that produce and I wouldget, like you know, honest
opinions about it.
And I wouldn't take it to faultbro.
I was like, ok, what I got todo to go back, it was just
having fun.
And then, once it was until Idid anime and heartbreaks.
It was the first beat tape thatI was like this is going to be
dope, because I finally startedlearning how to master the sound

(13:39):
.
Because you want to hear a beat, you want that shit to crank,
where you turn it full volumeand nothing breaks.
That's that's what I did.
And and then from there it just, it, just, it just went on, bro
.
Like 1992 came out, then I did93 gold with Nappy High and
that's it.
And then producing some beatsfor like a couple, like local LA
artists and shit like that,that kind of like damn doors and

(13:59):
it kind of one thing at another, kind of stuff Like a step.
Yeah, the format is so differentfrom rapping though, because
rapping is more like man.
It's such a format of how Iwrite it.
I've been using the same liketechnique and shit, but
producing it.
So it's fun, bro.
Like, yeah, you find it.
You you go through Records andshit or you find samples and
you're like man, I know what Ican do with that, but people

(14:20):
don't know.
They hear a drum in the snare,but if I'm that drum, you're
clicking drums like dude.
Yeah yeah.
Try to find that.
Then you find that drum youwant and then you got to mix it.
That's how, like the high ends,the low ends, the frequencies,
to really hit it how you want it.
You just knew that that drumhad a potential.
Same thing with the snare ismore science to it, bro.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
They, rather than just get it together and loop it
.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, and I learned that because I, out you know
working.
I'm the type of rapper where Iworked with producers like.
I dropped albums with oneproducer like moonlight was my
home.
He's a legendary.
I've done music music with thatguy since 2007 and so I've
always seen how a producer workssame thing with nappy, same
thing with JJ.
So I took kind of like that,that inspiration is like okay,

(15:05):
like I see how I see what theydo because I will watch them
make beats on the spot.
Well, I would sit there andwrite and I kind of like
inspired me, like okay, I reallygot to take my time with this
shit.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Yeah, and make it work and find my own style.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
That's finally did, bro like 1992 was the one where
I found the style with it Likeyeah, I was gonna say that.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
So with your projects right, Each one kind of shows
your evolution to slightlychanging.
Yeah sound was changing, broyeah definitely, definitely.
It's kind of like a littletimeline for it.
It is man.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
It is.
That's why, with the production, like when I dropped like a
Beat tape album, I started thiswave called the 90 series.
So the first one was called1991 and then I did 1992 and the
93 gold with nappy.
And the reason why we called it93 gold because he does color
series when he drops hisinstrumental albums, like he did
green yellow.
And then we got together we'relike let's do 93 gold.

(15:53):
It fucking works.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Oh, that's hard.
Yes, yes, calling me.
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's an api, bro, he's
actually he's actually droppinga project Instrumental project
with some features on it, calledburgundy, that shit.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
I can't wait.
That's a dope color.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
That's color burgundy man.
Yes, yes, that's cool bro.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
I like that man.
You know what, bro Hearing?
That too, I was gonna ask you.
So what?
Some of the, some of the leadsto my next question, actually
Some of the some of thestruggles that you went through
with producing right.
I know that once you produce itor you make in this case,
producers make beats right.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
And then engineers or engineers those are the guys
that help mix it right to do.
Producers do that as well.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Um, I think they give input.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Okay, yeah, for sure You're hearing how they mix it
right and then you're like wait,that's not right, do that.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
I mean a producer.
He basically mixes in engineershis own shit when he makes
beats, okay, but then when yougo to recording process, where
the engineer I mean it's allperception, like however you
want it to look at, like somepeople just like they take the
beat as is or They'll send thestems and then the engineer will
mix it.
Not change it, but mix it tothe quality of your vocals.

(16:57):
Okay, because the vocals aninstrument too.
Yeah, so it's, it's all that.
But some people just get thebeat, record the vocals over it.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Some people would like get the stems, and the
producer just works this magicwhile you're recording your
vocals on there.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
So yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, okay, so, and then it's on
my follow-up question to gowith that.
It's like a two-parter question, I guess.
So you answered that and thenmy other question to go with it
Thank you for being thoroughwith that, bro which is Did you
have any issues With anyengineers?
That you obviously, because Ifeel like when you get more than
one head on a beat that's why Isaid when you got, when you got
I feel like when you have duoproducers making one beat, there

(17:30):
has to be clashes, right, likea brother doesn't sound right
with the fuck are you doing now,bro?
I had this in mind.
Now, bro, this is gonna hitthis way.
Trust me, is there is everyarguments like that, or did you
ever have to kind of siphonthrough?
Do you have any, maybe anystories when you dealt with,
maybe, if not another producer,an engineer that you might have
bumped heads with or just had ahard Disagreements with?
engineer, most definitely youdon't got to send your names if
you don't want no.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Like like, for those that don't know, if you fuck
with my music, you know there'slike the last album I rap, album
I drop, was 2021 and I took alike hiatus on that shit, like
taking a break because you know,like, as I told you I I started
producing so I really wantedthe sound like it taught me, you
got to make it how you want itand how you really envision it
right.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
I get people work with what they can.
You know, because money getsinvolved.
You got to pay people.
You know I'm saying, but withme, thank God that I have a
decent job enough to be able toafford.
Yeah now, you know, I I took itmore serious and what took me
long to release music wasbecause I needed to find the
right engineer.
Because a lot of, a lot oftimes, like, I'll meet up
certain engineers and I'llrecord a record with the vision

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I had and, let's say, I wantedto wrap a monotone voice with a
really good quality theycouldn't do it and they'll tell
me oh, it sounds like, it soundsbetter, like this I'm like I'm
not paying you.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
They can't see the vision right.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
I don't care what you think, I'm not paying you to
see you had that issue with that.
Yeah, give me your vision.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
You're crazy to give me my vision, bro.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Like, execute that and I've gone in harsh arguments
role like really harsharguments in the studio, like
fist fights almost, because youknow some, some engineers, you
know it's an art to to be anengineer, like shout out to all
the engineers it's a fucking artand it's patience is the most
patience thing to do becauseit's not your vision.
Yeah you're working there you'remaking somebody else's yeah so

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so it's like a lot of engineersthat I ran across.
I noticed that they were justthere for the check.
They didn't really care aboutmy vision.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Mm-hmm, and that's why I wanted to ask you this,
because I had a feeling that wasgonna be a issue, bro yeah so
you ran into someone that justdidn't yeah, I mean I ran to a
lot.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
I went through at least ten engineers and you know
it's not throwing shades atthem, you know, it's just the
way they work in the way I work.
Then I ran into, finally Ifound an engineer shout out to
DJ Hopper.
You know he's a well-known DJ,producer, label owner and it's
crazy, it ended off one daybecause the way I record, bro,
like you have to book sessionsto record right at a studio, me,

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my job that I work at.
I know the time I go in, Idon't know the time I get out.
So the time the time that I dohave is like I'm a last-minute
type of guy.
So I looked up broken complex,shout out to broken complex, and
I was like, fuck, they might beexpensive.
I didn't know that DJ Hopper wasthe one that's gonna answer the
phone.
He answered the phone and hewas like what's up is DJ Hopper?
And I was like what the fuckthat's you?

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Bro, like this dude, this dudeproduced like crazy fucking
songs.
You know, like for logic, forfucking dizzy, right, like hmm,
atmosphere.
You know, I'm saying like names, bro, he's dope, fucking
reverie, all them, all them catsand and um.
And so he was like yeah, pullthrough bro.
I was like really, you can bookme right now.
Yeah, pull through.
We met up, recorded a coupletracks.
I was like yo, I heard themixing and I was like I'm not

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feeling it.
And then, but but he, he's thetype bro, like he loves his job
so much that he was like bro,send it to me, like I Will send
him like seven different fuckingtimes, like 77 different
versions and with love, thatmotherfucker will be in there.
Like this is what you want.
What sound do you want?
He was I don't even think it'sa mixing, bro, I think it's a
sound.
You want, what's, how do youwant?
So I gave him a couple ofreferences of what I wanted.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
That's cool.
He respects you, but herespects your vision, bro, man,
he's an artist, bro like dang.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
That's the first engineer, and he's the first
engineer that I met, bro thatreally, really wanted me, wanted
to capture what I wanted.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
How do you meet these people, bro?
Do you just reach out to himrandomly?
Yeah, well, I mean for thatstudio you.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
I went online I was like, okay, I work in some
valley.
What's close to some valley?
That a studio I saw, broken,complex, which that's a really
that's a known name.
You know, and I was like whatthey're in no Hollywood, so I
caught thinking it was somebodyright him.
It was him, I'm glad to say.

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I built a good bond with him,bro.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
So the last important he's like it's me, he's like,
no, it's not.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Rip it.
When I found out it was him youlike what you answer your own
phone yeah and he's such a.
He's such a cool guy.
I got too expensive by fire man, he's such a humble do bro.
He just loves hip-hop, he lovesmusic, he loves I believe it.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
I mean he answers his own phone bro.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Humble right there, you know, shout out to him.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
I'm not much love and respect for him for giving me
the vision that I want with thelast singles that I've dropped,
and In this you know what he'sgonna be part of your success.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
So into that.
And to the other producer noshit, I'm sorry, into that other
.
To that other engineer no shade, but I gotta say it, bro,
congratulations.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
You played yourself.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
I just say, bro, shots fired.
That's how we do around here,bro.
I don't hold on that, but it iswhat it is like.
You missed out on opportunity,bro, to help out some way.
It's gonna grow and be largeshout out, shout out to him, man
, he's.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
He's definitely the reason why I'm working on this
new project.
I got going on, bro, finallyman, after, like, it's about to
be three years this year.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
I dropped a rap album .
You know what I mean?
Yeah, but held on to the samedream, though.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, but it's crazy, bro, because I kept the
momentum.
It's funny because since Ihaven't dropped the rap album,
but I've done more production.
I focus more on producing and Igot better at that, but now I'd
never lost the momentum.
If everything, I've gained morerevenue mm-hmm.
I got gained more revenue justby producing alone because, they
knew I spit.
You know they knew they knew Irap, and now dropping little

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singles here and there kind ofkept a little bit of the
momentum going.
I don't know but, it's workingfor show bro.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
No, I feel you, bro.
Just whatever you do, make surethat for the right person comes
to you offer your record deal.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
You don't accept it if it's not for me.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
I love it, bro.
I don't think Usually when Ijump in this voice some people
are like what the fuck does thatmean?

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Fuckin'.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Andrew bro.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
I had to do it bro.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
It's like the real logic skits.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
It's like logic now is your time.
I feel like you're my cellmate,bro.
It's like hey, you're gonnasign with us?
Manbuck, it really makes sense.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
See, if that happens, you don't sign with that
motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, I think.
I think I'm old enough to know.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Now the motherfucker, come talking to you sound like
this.
You might want to give him achance.
I'm like, hey, bro, you're notfunny shit.
Right, I must sign with you ifyou're not under funny shit.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
That's like some quasi motor shit.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
It really is round like you sign up with looney
tunes.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
I just I don't want to sign a contract with me.
I just wanted to show you thatit's pretty cool the board comes
with.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
That's crazy yeah man .

Speaker 1 (24:07):
But anyway, back to back to the back to our
interview, man, we're ourdiscussion here, so that that's
the.
Those are the interactions thatyou had, right, right, okay, so
I know, I know now currentlyyou're working on a new project,
right, mm-hmm?
Is there anything at all thatyou could share with us, that
you could show us as a newproject, or do you want to keep
it all under wraps?
Is there any timeless talkexclusives that we could get?
Is there a possibility?

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Like, what are you through, like my phone or some
shit?
Yeah, bro.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, we'll get right here to the board bro.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
That's crazy.
Yes, sir, or you can't justpull it up, since you already
hooked up.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
I could do that, but I know he has all.
He has all the yes, all theshit is not released.
I got the stuff that wasreleased and I do got a few
things that my boy has sent me.
You got, I got a few thingsthat you sent me, you know.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Um, this is who I can see.
I could show you like a Like asnippet of a of a hook.
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
If you're down, whatever you're willing to share
with us, bro, you're gonna hearhere first on time is talk,
guys, and only here you heard itfirst and this is only.
This is all you're gonna get tothe actual album drops right.
There's only until the albumdrops, definitely.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Whatever I got this one, it's a hook.
It's not even me on it yet.
Well, let's look at the firstbook.
Hook up with the Bluetooth sowe hear it.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, no doubt, let me see you know I'm saying, but
in the meantime man slideshow,is there anything you want to
ask Memnock here and anyquestions you got from before
what we do this?

Speaker 3 (25:23):
I was gonna ask have you and JJ just got to getting
done like a whole album before,or?

Speaker 2 (25:28):
yes, we did it did actually.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, overdo wasback in 2017, he, like he was.
He got a program called.
What was it?
Fuck, what was that programcalled?
I cannot believe I forgot it.
Between them, oh, the B programthat he used to produce on and
I can't reason no, it's notreason.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Ableton.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Ableton, there you go .
He was like cooking a beats alot bro, like he was fucking
with some local homies and shit,and I was like yo, this shit is
fired.
Oh yeah, and that's when Istarted really getting back into
it with the music thing and Ihit them up and I was like, fuck
, let's do a novel and we willmeet up in my garage, bro.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, bro.
And then we recorded in my oldroom, recorded actually at the
older that in my old, my oldfucking I used to stay in.
This is a this little homecomplex.
Actually I actually live up thestreet Roecastor Pro 2 brother.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Roecastor Pro 2 shit, I don't even think it's popping
up, bro.
I mean, we make it rediscover.
But but like yeah, like we, wewill meet up bro and just and
just work on it, man and nextyou know, we had her, we had our
photo, our photo taken and shitlike that.
Andrew did the cover, the backcover.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
It was a little collaborative effort bro.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
That's like when you get like Two of the hottest
artists out, like J Cole andKendrick together.
That's what it felt like, man.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
At that time you know it's funny like social media
wasn't even as active as it isnow, with the things that you
can do.
You know, now you can post itreal, you can film on your phone
.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah, make it really good.
We didn't really know thatstill.
You know, we were still kind oflike we were old school, but no
, it was just it was cool whenyou had like the minds you know,
all gathering and being thereand being like yo.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
It was just cool to have local legends, man, you
know, same pair up.
Let's get together One of thosecollaborative efforts, man,
that was a fun album for sure.
Man, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
That's my brother, bro, you know so this one, this
one I mean it's called Let MeKnow and it's featuring K
Franklin.
He's actually been on a coupleof Nappy High's projects.
He was on our 93 Gold Projectfeaturing Maggie King.
This guy can sing his fuckingass off.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Oh yeah, he's hearing it here first.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah he's done tracks with Joyce Rice, I think, dom
Kennedy and shit like that Ithink.
I'm not sure.
Don't quote me, but Well, let'shear it.
Bro, I'll show you a little.
It's produced by Nappy High aswell.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
I can see them playing this in a club.
Thank you, man, it's like that.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Dilla vibe.
We're in some pieces of Dilla.
Yeah, that beat fired too,though.
Thank you, bro, that's hard bro.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah, that's some shit, that's going to be on the
project for the show.
I just got to finish recordingthat and you know.
But we got some shit on thevote, bro, like it's exciting.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Bro, that's so smooth man.
No doubt bro.
Bro that's man.
You know what man?
And I do want to say something.
I don't want you thinking I'mlistening to my bad If you see
me looking at my phone a coupleof times.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
I have podcast etiquette.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah it's just me and my notes are jotting something
down.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
You know you guys are minding my.
If I look at mine, I'm about tosay I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm
sorry about my own, I'm sorryabout my own professional hey
man, it's all of us FuckingSuper Bowl.
It's all of us, and I've seenyou looking to hey?

Speaker 1 (29:06):
just for fun fact, we're recording this on Super
Bowl Sunday.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
You know she loves to remember not for being here
during that and then, you know,as I put it on over here in the
corner, so we at least got a gota night where it was going on.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
We see what's going on.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah, yeah, but anyway, man, back to the back to
the feature, though, back towhat's going on.
That was clean, man, I lovethat.
Um, I'm going to ask you this,bro what is your inspiration?
What keeps you moving, bro?
What keeps you motivated onthose days especially?
And what?
And also to tie in that, whatkind of advice can you give
those out here that arestruggling with the same thing?
The motivation to keep on going, like I always, you know, I

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always try to encourage you bytelling you you know, the right
ears haven't heard you yet, andnow that your streaming numbers
are going up, the right ears arestarting to finally hear you.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
You're talking like music or life.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Music music.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Uh pain bro For sure, Music in particular.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
We'll go to life in a second, but I'm because this is
your forte music bro.
Musically what keeps you painmotivated?
Pain is pain, Pain, pain Outlet.
So it's an outlet Outlet stressrelief for you, would you say
therapeutic.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
It's like, yeah, it's like it's either paying that
much for a therapist or kind ofjust like self, self.
Self-relief.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
I like it though.
It's a nice healthy outlet foryou.
Yeah, exactly.
Without breaking your wallet oryour pockets.
You're just doing something,You're putting in something
that's, you know, lucrative, youknow.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
It's definitely been.
I mean, I asked myself thisquestion, like why do I still do
this shit?
But I don't know, man.
I mean it's I'm glad you stilldo it, bro.
It's made me feel, it's alwaysmade me feel like something, bro
, like you know what I mean.
There's no other talent I have.
Then, then, then this this isall I got aside from my kids and
my family.
This is all like I got from mysanity, and pain is the ultimate

(30:36):
form of what I do.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
And man, it controls the sanity.
It controls the sanity, I don'twant to say the insanity, but
it controls you and keeps yousane, bro through it all Right,
right, right, and one of thethings I was going to tell you,
man, it's admirable to see thethings you've been through, bro,
without putting too much ofyour business out there.
Right, my boy has been throughit, man, I know you have too,
but I feel like we all have indifferent ways.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
We all have our grind .

Speaker 1 (30:57):
But if there's anything you guys could take
from that, I want to add to whatMemdok just said don't let
anybody tell you you can't dosomething in this world, and
then don't let anybody say that,especially if it's a healthy
outlet, that you can't use thatas therapy to help you get
through whatever it is you'recalling.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Use that as fuel Exactly.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
That part too.
Definitely.
You know.
Once you guys were saying justa second ago I was going to say
you know, you might seem likeyou know, like you're saying
that's all you have in yourfamily and stuff like that, but
then you know how somebody couldbe listening to a song and
they're like dang bro.
I felt that.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
So it's like, even though you're not going through
the same situation as somebodyelse, it's still healing them
the same way.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, it's crazy to say that, because it's like I
was actually talking to mydaughter about this when we were
on the way here, like we'retalking about music and I think
music is like the best form ofuniversal language, bro, it
really is I like it, it is.
Because even like it connectseverybody, it does, bro, because
all it takes is all frequencies, man.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
We're frequency based human beings.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Bro, yeah, bro, you know, and and and you know, all
it takes is a sound to reallyengage you, to want to hear more
.
That's where that's where itstands from finding the right
engineer for me.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Like you know, like my, you know, a voice is another
instrument.
So to me it's like, if you'regoing to hear the production and
you like it, I really want youto enjoy my vocals.
As to the people that fuck withme or support the music that I
do, so that way, when you likewhat you hear, you're going to
want to hear what I say.
You know as as is supposed to,like just throwing it on the

(32:26):
record, having some bullshit assmixed to it, and that's it.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
I want you to and there's not much effort there.
I feel like when you do that,it's kind of like you just
definitely invest and letyourself talk like to me, like
like I'm.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
That's the next step I'm trying to do is, like, learn
how to engineer, and, and andactually start mixing my own
vocals Like do it yeah.
And you know.
But it takes dedication.
Man Like that, shit is not easy.
Like the engineers really,really go through because
everybody's voice is different,everybody's, you know, style is
different, how they want tosound, what they want from it,
and that's just crazy, bro, likeI've had talks with, like DJ

(33:00):
Hoppa about it.
Yeah, yeah, bro, like that'swhy.
That's why when we record,he'll record me, base maybe on
his last session.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
I'm not.
I'm not feeling that bro, likelike what was it the last single
we dropped?
He sent me like seven differentversions, bro, oh shit.
Yeah, Like you know, and asmuch as I want to just keep that
record and enjoy and show thehomies.
I was like nah man, it reallytaught me like no, bro, this
really is.
If I make a face like this, Idon't know, like before, the old

(33:28):
me would be like fuck it yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Fuck it, I'm gonna drop it how it is, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Now it's more like nah, man, I gotta be honest with
y'all.
I'm sorry to hurt feelings, orit always apologized to the
engineers.
I'm like.
I'm sorry, bro, Like, but Idon't.
But he's like, nah, whateveryou want, dog Like, what do you
want?

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, send it to me and I'm happy.
And now I could hear the song10 years down the line and I'll
be happy with it.
Yeah, as is like something likelike hearing something that I
wasn't really happy with it,yeah, and it's like another
fucking record.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Exactly.
And then you're like you knowwhat, yeah, they ended up being,
or the unexpected thing youwouldn't expect, right, yeah,
because there's a lot of songsthat I've done that I'm like
fuck.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
If I would have had the right mix to it, man, that
shit would have been morecaptive.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
It would have capped more or would have had more
power.
Punch to it, right.
But you learn, bro, it's partof the process and I feel like
that's part of the whole part ofgrowth, trial and error, and
how much you wanted and how muchhow much you want to invest in
it.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Like it's all investment, bro, like I've
learned that, like you reallygot to invest in yourself, yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
No big facts.
I mean look at this.
We invested in this.
You want to.
I was trying to make thisproduction as professional as
possible, If you're not going toinvest yourself.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Investing yourself, sorry.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
And believe yourself.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Who the fuck is going to invest their time in you?

Speaker 1 (34:34):
I was just about to say that I mean.
I mean, if you don't believe inoneself, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
No, big facts, bro.
That's just plain fucking,that's just plain simplicity.
Like facts, bro.
No, you're right.
Because, plain knowledge.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, if you, if you don't believe in you, how?

Speaker 2 (34:45):
do you expect them to believe in you?
Exactly Right, this is honest.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, bro.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
I'm glad you understand that.
This is true, bro.
It's very, very true ineverything you do in life.
I think it's safe to say thatif you don't believe in oneself,
can't expect the next man tobelieve in you.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Shit that this motherfucker don't believe in
himself.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
I'm not going to follow him.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
What do you mean?
Human beings are fuckinginteresting people.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
We are, it's your dynamics.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Interesting specimen.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, and I have some .
Yeah, that's why aliens.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
That's why aliens like you want to come down.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Duck does, bro, you said they look at us like we
look at ants.
Bro, they do.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
I mean, they were like you, stupid Like they don't
come this way, they take us togo, you fucking stupid.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Dumb is fuck right.
Yeah, I just like the restart.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Because there's some slow moments.
That's what happens when youget abducted and you wake up in
your bed after you got some shitin your ass.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
That's fucking true, bro, and they just Mother
fuckers.
Is a problem up the ass, bro,like he fucking.
Hey, that's what happens whenyou wake up.
Put a problem up your ass?
Oh, you don't mind, bro, it'sin the fridge.
He is in the fridge.
Thank you, bro.
What's that noise shit thatyou'll see right there on the
right on the right?
It's in the podcast, bro.
It's cool.

(35:52):
We do this all the time.
I'm also like we gotre-upstakes shots on the show.
All kinds of ratchet shit, man.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Although I really, I really, I really salute you guys
for doing that shit bro Bro I'mnot.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
I'm not bad enough to do that.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, that's right there, really.
Thank you, man.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah, bro, pour that up, bro, whatever you need, huh,
don't leave it up.
You'll leave it up, it's fine.
You can put it on the chairright there, man.
So you got, you got access toit.
If you need one more, bro, butyeah, no.
So like, I get what you'resaying, though just a coin on
that before we get into thepepper challenge.
Man, when you got the probe upthe ass not to push, not to push
the joke any further Shut downfor the night, and then you wake
up on the ship when I pull upthe ass, bro, no pause.

(36:33):
Anyway, man, he said, no doubt,all right.
So, man, just read up on hisdrink.
We're good to move on, man.
And then you want to add tothat.
I got the next thing alreadylined up that I want to ask my
boy but is there anything youwant to add to what we just
spoke on?

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Not that, but I do have a question, though.
Go ahead, shoot at him, I'll gonext.
Well, I was going to say couldyou walk us through the process
of, I guess, releasing a singleversus, like, releasing a whole
album Project?

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Man, that's a fucking good question, bro, Yet
definitely releasing the singlesless stressful bro.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, yeah, because, like you, focus on one, so
everybody has their own method.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
My method is now is I notice that people, bro,
because I'm I'm, I'm not old bro, you know what I'm saying, but
I'm not young, like I'm not theGen Z generation, so I noticed
that people's attention span isreally short.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
So so the way I look at it is like if I post a
picture on Instagram and I'mlike, oh, I'm dropping a single
next week nobody's gonna want tofucking nobody cares, bro,
nobody fucking cares.
So I'm like, ok, what can I do?
To the best of my ability, Inotice visuals.
Visuals is I mean people likefucking visuals, at least from
from what I've been doing.
So what I do is I'll do like apromo vid, right, and I'll do

(37:40):
like a little short, maybe like40 second clip promo vid with me
wrapping to the track and thenit allows people kind of like
hear the song and see.
Yeah, because and I and thereason why I do it, because it
works for me as a listener.
Like when I see somebody that Ifuck with even like homies that
I fuck with and they post avisual and then they post a
snippet of the record, I'm likeengaged to it, yeah.
But if I see them just post apic, I'm like oh, ok, for show

(38:02):
Like it is what coming out soon,yeah, yeah.
So singles, when I do that, Iliterally it's more simple
because all I got to do is thatboom, you know, kind of promote
it.
Album wise is a lot different,bro, because it's your branding,
that whole thing.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Like it's so many different songs in that you got
to brand that shit, so it's likeOK, how am I going to brand it?

Speaker 2 (38:24):
What is going to?
It's like you got to.
You got to step out theboundaries.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
I can sell it being different.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Like me, like do you want to do like a little movie
skit that kind of introduces toyour album and do like a little
movie skit and whatnot and haveyour music playing in the
background, have some likeextras acting in it or whatever,
anything from clothing line toto filming like a scenery or
whatever it is.
So that's what's taking me alittle longer with this album,
because I'm still trying to likegrasping that way to engage the

(38:50):
viewers of how they want to beexcited to hear my shit, what's
going to be different whereyou're going to be like.
Damn, I wish I would have donethat.
Like I seen this one cat thatJJ actually shot me, bro.
I never heard this motherfuckerbro.
He's from the AV.
You like it?
You know who I'm talking about.
Right, I think I know whoyou're talking about.
I forgot his name, but he'sfucking dope, Like this cat's

(39:11):
dope, bro.
Like I've never I've been inthe AV, bro, and I've never
heard this guy.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Has he always been out here I don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Jj just said this was from AV and I saw his shit.
And then he had this videowhere it was him rapping he's
like, he's like, he's likedriving right, and then the
camera's from outside the carbut it's filming the rear view
mirror and it shows him and he'sstaring out the window and he's
rapping, and then ittransitions to another song
which is so fire, and then itshows like the movie credits on

(39:39):
it, Like if it's like a moviethat engaged me to want to know
who he was.
You know, what I'm saying.
Those are things that I look atto like how to promote an album
, like if I was to do somethinglike that, like real engaging.
You know what I mean, yeah,yeah.
So, but you learn as you see,you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, thanks.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Shout out to him.
You know what?
I gotta pull up his name, bro,because I gotta give props.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah, you can props and props.
I'm not a playful person bro.
I gotta give him flowers on theshow, bro, when they can hear
him or they can smell him.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
JJ, if you send me so many funny fucking videos, bro,
I gotta backtrack.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
You always send each other some fucks.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
I got backtracked like two days ago.
I see some of the group chat.
That's a great question.
You know how?

Speaker 1 (40:20):
group chats are man?

Speaker 2 (40:21):
That's a great question, bro, because that
really is very important.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
That's a good question, bro, to know the
difference.
I agree, I was school in theprocess.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Today's the 11th.
And you went through the Lookhow much your brother be sending
me, bro, Like it's funny, bro,If he'll be sending you the
funniest shit dog.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
And now, this is part of the process, right?

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Definitely.
I mean, that's how you findpeople, though for example See,
he just sent me this.
He's from the AV he dope right.
The concept is not there.
God damn it, it won't show it.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Oh, eli, eli, alexander, yeah bro, yeah, yeah,
yeah, he was on the show.
We had him on the show.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Oh, for real.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
We had him on the show.
Remember that, oh, you weren'there.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
though we weren't here for I was here in the front
of him Like it was on the EQRight on.
Oh, yeah, yeah, Eli, yeah bro.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
So see how it has the movie credits and shit like
that.
Like to me that's art, bro.
Like you gotta be an artist.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Bro, he has a movie too, analo.
Hey, shout out to Eli Alexander, bro.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
But the way the transition with the music is
genius Like look that shit hard.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Hey, I'm gonna go ahead and say it now.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Like it's hard right.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Hey, do you want to come back on?
When he comes back on?

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah, I mean, I'm with anything.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Doesn't have you come back on the show these years,
bro, Like I'm telling you I justfound out about this guy two
days ago.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Bro, he's cool man Like legit two days ago yeah we
met him.
Like that question stands fromwhat you said, like how do you
go about promoting singles andalbums?

Speaker 1 (41:45):
You know what I mean you learn off the energy Like
that to me.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
I think he's promoting an album and I'm like
I want to hear that shit.
Yeah, Like.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
I want to hear it.
Yes, so that's cool man.
Hey Props, that's cool.
Look, you're already talking.
You're bigging on something wehad on the show already, bro.
We interviewed him back inMarch or May of last year him
and his brother man.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
It all says all word of mouth.
Man, that's the arrow that Icame from, bro.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Like I didn't yeah, so you can relate to him, bro.
I think y'all would get along.
Honestly, I came from bro, he'scool man.
I came from an arrow bro, we'relegit.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
I had me and the homie LeoDoc.
We bought this machine whereit'll print like five CDs at a
time.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
I remember that shit bro we didn't have Apple Music.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
We didn't have Spotify man.
The CD era Physical CDs, broLike we would do that and I
would write every single songPeople walk.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Every single CD, I would write the album.
And before the iPod, beforeApple Music, bro, people would
pass out, we would walk.
People would go around withtheir Walkmans with fucking
affordable CD players.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Really pop-mopin' that Venice beat shit, that
Venice beat shit.
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
And they would just pass them out.
Bro, like listen to my shit.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
That's what I would do, bro.
I would literally just goeverywhere man.
Like yo you fuck with hip hop.
I know you do.
Yeah, check me out, bro.
Like peep me, you know what Imean.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Check me out Boom $2, you know, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Here's a free CD.
Like, check me out.
At that point you just gottatake a donation, huh?

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Whatever you going after that point, yeah, like I
would be like hey man, if yougot like $2, you know what I
mean Like I could buy somethingto eat on the way back or
whatever.
But I did that whole thing, bro, for years.
Like anybody can vouch for that.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Oh, I know, I know, you know I can, I've been, I've
really really really soft in themud.
I remember that shit, bro.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
I really soft in the trunk.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
I wasn't there during the beautiful blend days though
.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Oh yeah, that's when I was in high school, early.
No, that's right, I was alittle bit after that.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Then, right during the moonlight days, I was kind
of there for some of it.
Early mid right.
Yeah, I remember that.
Yeah, we were just on oursecond.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
No, we were on our third album.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Bro, that studio.
I had to put this out therereal quick.
Aestalogy.
Shout out to Leo, Legendary man.
He's gonna laugh when he seesthis.
Bro, I remember they had theirfirst studio.
I don't know if that's thefirst one you guys ever had,
right.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
The one that I stayed with.
Yeah, that's where I met him.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Okay, so the first studio they released to work out
of bro.
I got to go visit it.
I remember that shit like itwas yesterday.
I hit this fool up.
It was late at night.
He had a bottle of Jack Daniels.
A bro come through.
I went over there for the firsttime.
It was late at night, it waslike 10, 11 o'clock at night.
Just to see them record bro Ina hot ass garage.
We went in there.
But you know what?
I was actually impressed withwhat I walked into, because they

(44:02):
had like it wasn't just thegarage, bro, you went in the
garage and there's like acubicle in the garage.
And you go in the door.
You open the door and go intothe actual studio.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Oh yeah, the whole section of the garage.
Yeah, they built the booths andall that shit, bro, it was
pretty hard dawg, so kind oflegit.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Yeah, legit, it was a couch in there.
It was a couch in there a boothand man you know was it like
soundproof?

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Oh yeah, yes, it was legit.
It was a legit studio, a homebuilt studio.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
That's crazy.
Yeah, bro, it was legit, it'sfunny because I just kicked it
with.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Leo on Friday and we talked about the past and how he
started when he told his popslike his story of how he created
them.
That's a whole another story,like in a whole another day,
when you, when you talk to him.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Yeah, how old are you , bro?
25.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
So you were born in what?
97?

Speaker 3 (44:41):
98.
98.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Okay so so we're generally kind of in the same
concept.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Same same area, A little bit yeah, but like.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
I've seen the ending of what you guys have seen.
How old were you in 2007?
, 2007?
I was like what?

Speaker 2 (44:56):
You were like 11?

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Eight or nine, eight or nine, I was 16.
I'm feeling old right now.
I'm feeling old right now.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
We used to even record, bro, like back then,
like nowadays people can buylike an interface to record.
We had a Tascam, yeah, bro, anda bunch of wires, bro, like I'm
talking about like massivewires that just connected to a
laptop.
We had a fire wire thatconnected to the laptop.
That connected to everything.
It was a crazy.
It was fun, though, man.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
A lot of wires.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
A lot of fucking wires bro.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Facts bro A lot of shit, our first platform.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
It was dope, though Our first platform that we were
able to push music online wasSoundCloud.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Bro, and remember that shit.
Yeah, soundcloud back then.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
They did and Hot New Hip Hop.
Remember, hot New Hip Hop yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
In Dap-Hip.
In Dap-Hip.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
That's where I dropped Blood Diamond.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Oh, blood Diamond, that's where I dropped it, in
Dap-Hip, in Dap-Hip, in Dap-Hip.
Yeah bro, that's crazy.
Those are mixtape websites, man.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
That was like our Apple music.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Yeah, back then, bro, that was how you did it.
You would just download a newtrack.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Nowadays, you know how there's like you get
SoundCloud.
There's like a lot of likeadvertisements and shit.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Back then it wasn't like that, bro, like you didn't
even need to account or nothing.
You didn't bro, it was hard.
You go on there and just clickdownload, oh yeah, and we would
double check it like eightminutes it was a download level.
What numbers are they?

Speaker 2 (46:09):
at Remember those days, bro.
Yeah, I feel old as fuck.
Son of a fucking damn bro.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
I was born in 91.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
So I'm about to be what?

Speaker 3 (46:17):
33 this year.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Bro, yeah, you should have a Kevin Hart like damn
Damn, we gotta get the one, likethat.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
So you guys?
You guys seen the cassette andCD player era up until now.
Like what would you guys say asopposed to then what the new
generation is missing?

Speaker 2 (46:39):
I would say personal impact.
Good question.
Yeah, I agree Personal impact,personal interaction, personal
engagement yeah, bro, becauseback then at least you had to
get out in the public Like tripout on this, bro.
Personal engagement that's true, I'll tell you a story.
Let's hear it.
I was in high school dog.
I was 16 years old and it wasthe first time that I've ever
performed.
We had a show at right here onSierra Highway.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Industry.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Theater.
No, it's called the it was.
It used to be the best Westernand it was a hotel, but they had
like a venue and I remember doglike that.
That was a time where my spacewas active.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
No, Yo, my space.
Yeah, so I remember we had ashow and I was like.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
I was like how the fuck are we gonna like push the
shit out?
So what I did in every class,dog, I put performing and I told
every teacher can I write likeI'm gonna perform this Friday
that's smart bro.
So I wrote every, every fuckingperiod I was on dog.
I will write it like performingthis day pull up this age, this
the money boom.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
I didn't think people were gonna show up.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
That shit was packed the fuck out Like it was packed
bro.
And then we had CDs andeverybody pulled up with the
money buying fucking printed outCDs with a bullshit ass label.
Like we we did printouts withtapes, like like we taped it on
the fucking case.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
No, that's dope shit bro.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
But it was a different time back then.
Yeah, that's cool man, itwasn't it wasn't no Instagram,
there was no Facebook.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
No, no, that shit bro , my space bro.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
But people knew that I rapped at that school, like
when we dropped my first albumever.
We were in a crew calledBeautiful Blend.
We made CDs, bro, like webought plastic, plastic cases,
we put the printouts in thereand we made like about 130 bucks
Like I sold it.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Beautiful Blend.
I remember that.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, like it was fun , though.
That's the difference, bro.
Like I think now and then it'smore fun, cause now, like I can
post some shit on the internetand I and people that I've never
met will fuck with it, but asopposed to like really printed
out and talking to the people,and being real, having the
interaction with them.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Like, hey, bro, I really fucking what I just saw
on stage.
I'm gonna buy one.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
And back then too, bro, like nowadays, everybody
fucking makes music bro.
Every single body makes music.
It's more of an image, but backthen dawg, when you knew
someone who made music, it was abig thing.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Right Back then, bro, you weren't accepted.
If you were wack, you werefucking wack.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Exactly, and it let you know that.
Yeah, that was a good thing.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Trash were trash.
You were ass, you were ass.
I remember the first time Icalled up to a studio dawg.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
You know, the first thing that you know, the homie
said was a you wack fool.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
And I was like I was like I just started Check me out
.
All right, get in the booth.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
He said check me out.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
It was really like honest back then, like that's
why it was.
I felt bad.
I felt more of a rapper backthen than I do now, like I feel
like an MC, like a hip hopartist back then than I do now,
because now everybody does it,so it's like it's hard to tell
who's really about it.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
You know, but back then it was like who really got
that smoke?

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Yeah, like back then it's like you heard.
You heard names like oh thisMemnok does it, or this person
does it and then you wanted toknow who they were.
Like who the fuck is my citydoing that shit?
Like let me, let me hear him.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
If somebody say it today, it was an honor.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Back then too, bro, and that's the difference and I
love this question you said,because that's the difference
between now and then.
Now, if I told you about Memnokright the first thing, I'm not
saying you would, but I'm sayingthe majority you're going to
see how big his following is.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Oh yeah, right, you're going to go on his page.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
You're going to see his status and if it ain't big
and you're going to go look atit and see First impression you
already have that you alreadychecked that.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
You already have that .
So when you hear him it'sreally up to the music.
But back then you, they didn'tgive a fuck how big you were, it
was the talent.
So that was, I would say, theback then bro.
That's what I love about my era, bro, like the early 90s babies
, is where the bridge and thegap, like we really stand, from
the old school to the new school.
When I started music, bro, Iwas really old school.

(50:32):
In that process Everything wasjust CDs, downloading music off
a line wire.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
I was that kid in high school.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
I was that kid in high school with a CD player and
a headphones.
I will pull out this big assbag of CDs out of my backpack
and I'll just flip the shit andjust put that shit in my CD
player.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Yeah, bro, that was the walk man back then, bro.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
I think you guys knew how to your generation, knew
how to value and appreciate you?

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Oh, of course.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
And even taking props from the people before us in
the generation, like thegeneration next.
I think that's what they'recalled, you know, because we're
what fucking the millennialsmillennials and nowadays is like
the Gen Z shit on us, bro, likethey're like yeah, oh, like
what's up, like you know, butyeah, but at the same time, I do
respect this arrow too.
Like it taught me, I learned alot from the young, young crowd,

(51:19):
bro, real talk.
Like I've met a lot of artiststhat are like in your age range
or even younger, bro, and I,instead of me, like what the
fuck?
I really took it toconsideration.
Like what do you guys do?
Like, like, let me, let mestudy how you guys go about it
in this, in this world we livein, because, like I said,
everything's visual,everything's image, everything's
how you carry yourself, how youbrand yourself which is a big

(51:39):
thing because it teaches youartistry.
It teaches you how to stand out.
So yeah, shout out to the GenZ's bro straight up.
Yeah, you know some jokes.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
It might just be missing a little bit of the
respect for the art.
Definitely, definitely.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Yeah, like people get really caught up on it.
And don't get me wrong, bro,the music now is incredible.
There's a lot of incredible,incredible music man like and
how beautiful hip hop has justexpanded as a genre.
Man is like me, like I'm not.
I'm not just one sub genre like.
I'm open to everything and Irespect a lot of the young crowd
, bro, but I don't think they'llnever know what it really felt

(52:14):
like to really engage from, youknow, artists that were from the
90s or the early 2000s.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
No, they won't know.
They didn't grow up.
That it's not that they don'treally respect them, it's just
they don't grow up.
Yeah, they didn't grow up.
And it's all love, bro, that'sall that is, you know, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
I'll tell you this, man I'm about to be 33 and I
feel more like ready than I'veever felt in my life.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
I like that for sure, for sure.
The hunger of fire is there,bro.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Definitely man and and I'm excited man I'm blessed,
I'm even blessed to be here totalk about this with y'all, you
know.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Hey, bro, again, we're happy to have you here,
bro.
Thank you for being here withus.
Man, I love the hand clap.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (52:51):
What I do what I do fuck with the younger crowd,
though, especially to talk isthat they're very curious about
the past music.
Yeah, like I've noticed, bro,like they're very engaged with
the 80s music.
Like, if you notice, like thestyle now, how much are people
out right now?
The style now, if you reallythink about it, 30 years ago,
was the 90s.
See the kids nowadays theydress like the 90s.

(53:12):
Yeah it passes around.
But if you look at the 90s,well, 30 years ago from the 90s,
60s, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
I'm almost a damn near the 70s bro.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
You really think about it.
It's not that far away.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
No, I remember and it would come back around and you
see, you were in bell bottomsand shit it does, but it really
wasn't and it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Like I look back and I'm like wow, like even this.
Like I had like the younghomies, bro, like people that
are very like that do music, youknow like shout out to the
homies and they were like yo man, knock what you doing, bro?
We about to throw a 2000s themeparty and I was like 2000s
theme party what you talkingabout.
Yeah, if you like, wearing bigclothes and 50 cent hats and I
was like damn, I feel old asfuck.

(53:53):
But it's bad ass but it'sbeautiful to be at the age to
witness that, and that makes meunderstand the music way more so
it allows me to kind of be openwith the music.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
No big facts.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Like when I make music.
Now, bro, like I'm not tryingto just stay boxed in to like
I'm gonna stick to my sound.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
But like, let's just see what that sounds like mixed
up with some shit.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
No, I like that.
You're always open to like totry that you know experiment.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Who's your?
Who do you listen to bro?

Speaker 3 (54:20):
I listen to a lot of gospel bro.
Like you know the wine it's.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
I have not heard of them.
The wine is this is this iscome.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
How's the pronunciation is like
contemporary gospel music.
That's what it is.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
That's dope man?
Yeah, but it's like it's prettymuch R&B.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
It's like the R&B version of gospel bro.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
I'm gonna tell you something, man R&B.
If it wasn't for hip hop and Ilearned how to sing, I would do
R&B or R&Bs.
Oh yeah.
Yes, because if you hear mybeat tape production, bro, like
1992 was a lot of R&B sound.
It's not even hip hop beats,it's legit.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
R&B like.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
TLC, like even like Steve Mennight, like even 80,
sound like R&B music like I love, because I grew up with my aunt
and my mom as a kid playingLauren Hill.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
He's even singing jazz to it.
Jazz, I mean jazz.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
I grew up with a bunch of music.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
A lot of that stuff.
I love the jazzy tip.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
you've been on too, bro, even like even different
genres, like alternative rock,like like I.
I've originally bro like thething.
The reason why I started makingmusic as hip hop was because it
was the cheapest instrument tobuy was a no pattern to pin
right, but originally I wantedto like play piano and learn
piano music and actually be likea pianist and play jazz music

(55:30):
or or or learn how to sing, youknow.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
I'm saying like be a singer, but you know, you know
parents can't afford singinglessons is all good.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
But I took into hip hop.
But hip hop's always been in mylife too, like heavy, and I
realized, like you know, what Iwant to take a.
I want to take a look at this,and once I picked up that pen
and pad when I was like 12 yearsold, bro, I never stopped.
It was, it was a dicting dog,like I had books, like
compositions and compositionbullshit as lyrics, bro, sucked,
sucked.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
But it was so much you had.
My boy had stacks.
Yeah, you remember when you putup a competition book shelf
with like composition books.
Bro, stacks of compositionbooks filled with his rhymes.
That's crazy.
Do you have any of those?

Speaker 2 (56:12):
I don't man.
They're probably buried in aLeo's.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Boy with physics.
He probably hasn't buried inthat there's no more over there.
Yeah, is it?

Speaker 2 (56:18):
still there.
It's the room's still there.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
You guys I was gonna say you guys, just fucking old
time sake, just go in the booth,bro.
We talked about it.
We talked about it.
One day we used that shit onemore time in the studio.
We talked about it.
Man, that'll be hard bro.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
We talked about it in the studio's pops like, because
it's pops, uses it for, like,storage and shit.
Yeah, but we talked about it,man.
It'll be cool, just to have aday, or rebuild that studio or
some shit.
Just use it, bro.
One more time we used to getfucking lit in there bro.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Bro, I'm telling you that on the first night Did I
get to finish my story?
I don't think I did Real quickthough fast.
Long story short.
I don't mean to cut you off,bro, you get on me, I'm jumping
real quick.
That studio man, I remember itwas late at night.
We drove over there, fucking Idrove over there, and then I got
to hang out with them.
I saw their studio for thefirst time.
Bro, it was hot as shit inthere.
It was cool.
You know you guys heard thatpart earlier, earlier, but it

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was dope because I got to reallyconnect with these guys.
That's when I met Leo for thefirst time and I took shots of
Jack Jack with these fools andthey were recording.
I forgot what the fuck you guyswere making back then, but you
guys recorded some tracks.
We had some shits and giggles,bro.
We chilled, we talked, welaughed.
I watched these dudes do theirprocess.
I was like man, this is hardbro.
It was cool just to witnessthat.
So back then, having thatconnection bro, I was like man,

(57:23):
this shit is just a dopeexperience I've never been seen
before.
And just crazy because it was abooth, it was dope because it
was like a little recordingstudio.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
It was small.
I would say, bro, it was smallAbout the size of this.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
About the size of this little here.
We got right here but it wasstill cool because it felt like
a legitimate.
That was the closest thing thatI saw to a real studio.
And nowadays everybody's doingthat shit.
They're trying to do it outthere, closet, or whatever.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Yeah, I mean, nowadays you don't need a studio
or a booth to record.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Yeah, you don't really need a how they, but
these fools had a legitimate.
You closed the door and it wasquiet in there.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Technology has advanced so well where you know
they've built mic compressorsand you have a pop filter with
like or that fucking littleshield, my shield, that goes
around and you don't need shitelse but that.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Now I got a mic People that record their studios
are more for looks, bro, that'sall.
Yeah, nowadays you don't know,you know that shit.
Yeah, to make it better, makeit better.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
So for you guys, just seeing how the arrows changed
between music and just how liketechnology and everything
changed, it goes really well, itwas kind of like.
Was it kind of like out of youremotions, respond to it like
dang, like I was, like I know,was like what I know and grew up
on and what I am kind of like Iwas changing.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
I was changing bro.
I was changing bro For sure, no, for sure, yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
In the beginning I was definitely hating bro.
I didn't want to change.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Because you're like no, I'm so used to this Because
I was comfortable and I was sogood at it Is what you knew, but
it's all you knew.
It's all you knew.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
So and mind you bro, like, like, even in the mid
2010s like 2014, I was makingmusic, but at that time I didn't
really have the money to go toa studio record and when I did
like when me and Leo will record, you know it was so time
consuming because we had kids orwork schedule.
We had our women.
You know, like you know it was,it was different, you know, and

(58:59):
but at that time I wasn'tlearning about the social media,
I wasn't learning about how toreally promote yourself.
So I was kind of fucking hatingbro.
I was like man, these motherflittle motherfuckers are really
doing it, facts, bro.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
And if I crazy, and yeah, see, and it's crazy how
they would do it like man,that's all it takes, right?
What about all the time andeffort and money I put into this
equipment?
And it's just kind of like.
I get it Like you say you gotto learn how to you know, move
at a time.
You got to adapt to change.
There you go.
I mean, the bigger artists havedone it.
Yeah, they don't even see it.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Artists that we look up to, I mean like the.
Kanye's, the Lil Wayne's,they've been doing it for the
same amount of time, I mean even.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Drake, bro, like they were doing that time for it.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
That's why his career has been social longevity,
because I mean he just adaptedto his environment.
It's incredible.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
No, that's what happened.
Facts, big facts, bro, andthat's the next thing I was
going to ask you to M's.
I got two more questions foryou, bro, and then we can
continue on with the nextslideshow has anything for you.
My next, my next question.
I have two of them.
How do you feel and we touchedon this way back in the past
because you've been on time,this talk before a long time ago
.
You and we were on a very longtime ago with a arm shark 2018.

(01:00:02):
Yeah, 2018 and arm shark back inthe days were for where we'd
have none of this year.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
We have one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
We have one microphone and a garage band in
the middle of the table with thewe had sound effects.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
We're on Venice Beach .
I remember that it was a goodtime though bro, that was a good
time it was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
It was growing pain years.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
I bring that up because I want to ask you a
question, to ask you from thenevolution to hip hop, do you
like where it's?

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
at now, just to give us a brief answer for it.
Definitely, man.
How do you feel?
Is it cool?
You think you moved to a gooddirection.
I love it.
Yeah, I love it because, like Isaid bro, like like I'm not
only a fan of inspiration fromthe back then, but even now,
like it's crazy because they'relow key, kind of going back
backwards, if you really look atit.

(01:00:44):
I was going to say that and Inoticed you adapted well to it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
bro, you sound good with this new shit, I appreciate
that.
I mean, I mean, I mean, I try,hey bro, I'll tell you for
someone that and I'm telling youand I'm proud of you, bro,
because I see such a diversechange from what he used to make
to try to adapt.
But it's not even I don't usethat word, you didn't try, bro,
you found a way to do it.
Like you know, I like this, Ilike the way it sounds now, way

(01:01:07):
hip hop is.
Let me see if I could do that.
And you did your own version ofit and it sounds good.
Yeah, I mean, that's why Ithink deuces has a lot of that
in it, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
It also has a lot of older stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Like you said, it brings back a lot of stuff that
people used to do back in theday Don't do anymore.
It's been circling around kindof how, like when he was talking
about earlier, where thingsfrom like nineties and earlier
and earlier age stages of lifekind of come back around.
If you were doing it again,right, right, celebrating shit.
So I feel like an old sound ismaking a comeback too.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
There is a genre for that, right now In hip hop,
within a sub genre, within hiphop right now, most definitely,
man, I mean, I don't know dude,like I mean, you know you, you,
you go with the open road.
You evolved well with it, butthen in the end of the day I try
to.
I always try to like to keep,keep boxed in mentally wise like
not, but I still.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
I still feel like you put in.
Sorry, I'm gonna cut you off.
You put, you, put, you stillput a lot of you in there.
Does that make sense?
You know you sound different.
Sure, you know Memnok musicfrom 2024 doesn't sound like
Memnok music from 2015.
Fuck, no, but.
But it's still you there.
I can still sense.
Yeah, I mean, that's the spiritof you is still there.
That's where we stand from.
That.
I'm happy about that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
That's it.
That's that's from thebeginning of you know like like
what changes like pain.
You know what I mean like yeahyeah, yeah, life.
You know, you, you know, andI'm not saying like the older
you get, the more you go throughshit, because there's a lot of
people that have been throughshit as children, as in with
people that have been throughshit as older like me.
I had.
I had an amazing childhood, bro.
You know I was given the reallynormal suburban lifestyle.

(01:02:31):
It wasn't until I went on myown world and I experienced the
most toughest things in life,from, you know, going on Welfare
to having my electricity cutout to try to raise my babies on
a minimum paycheck.
You know what I mean, likethings that I didn't go through
as a child.
I mean we struggled economy,economy, economic, wise with my

(01:02:53):
parents, but they never showedit to me, yeah you know, and and
for me is like it went reverse,like I really went through the
shit, and I think that taught mea lot to really express the
album deuces and the reason whyit's called deuces is because
it's almost Just saying goodbyeto everything that molded me to
what I am today- I'm what am Igonna be better than what I was
today?
And deuces kind of, is that?

(01:03:14):
Is that constant?

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Yeah, cuz a lot of a lot of shit happens school.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
A lot of shit has happened where you can't change
the past.
You can't change what you'vedone.
You can be proud of what you'redoing.
You know, you've been ashamedof what you're doing, but at the
same time is like what's thenext step?
Yeah, just say peace to thepast, let it go, and then move
forward.
You know, and then a lot ofstories on that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
Fucking problem.
Yeah, the person who are today.
Yeah, I had a hand in that bro,he's right, big facts man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
I like that book, that's really what it is and um,
you know that today, cuz I'mhaving another question for now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
And I was just gonna say just quite enough for what
he just okay, everything he justexplained.
There's a Bible verse that kindof like.
It kind of says, like it'smetaphorically speaking, but it
says something along the linesof, like you know, you got to
test the purity of gold byputting it in fire.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Yeah, yeah holds the refinery.
That's such a good metaphor.
Another words right in otherwords that's.
That's really what it is bro,that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Yeah, like, like the like, the good coming from the
bad, you know, like beauty foraction, I mean there's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
it's the same thing.
There's no day without night,there's no night without day,
there's no rain without sunshine.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
That's a yin yang thing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Yeah, it really is.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Like it is the yin and yang.
Yeah, like I don't ever want tolike people think that
beautiful means like happinessit doesn't know, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
How many?
How many songs do you put out?
Talking about the struggle myboy, yeah, a lot I appreciate
pain, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
I love pain and I accept pain because I Wouldn't,
I wouldn't be able to appreciatevalue Also, honestly, also your
music wouldn't be so relatable.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
I was gonna say that's what makes the music good
.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
I was.
I say makes it good becauseit's relatable you know you
believe or not.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
It's like when logic had said it before in the past.
He's like you know.
It blew my mind when a fan toldme that you're.
This song saved my life.
Yeah, I have no doubt in mymind that someone, someone,
someone, somewhere, her, one ofyour tracks saved their life.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
It's actually already happened.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
I did this one thing yeah, sure bro, I don't doubt it
.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
I did this one record .
Forgot what the song was called, but it was Like okay, so I
knew someone who was, who was aheroin addict, right?
Yeah and I did this one track.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
I remember veins.
Yeah, I told you I like thatone.
I spoke a good song, bro.
It's deep but it's a good song.
Yeah, I spoke through myperception and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
I always ask the person can I have permission to
write about it?

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
And I, and I wrote this song.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
I like how you wrote it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
It was a good one, bro, speaking about like,
because a lot of people don'tunderstand about addiction man.
They look at the person andit's like man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
He's just judging what project it was a blue notes
, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Yeah, good and man, bro, I remember I wrote that
shit and I and that person thatthat heard it, like it got him
through it, bro, like it reallygot him through it, and and it
made me, and it made me realizelike, wow, like there's music
that you want to be the shit,and the person like, yeah, you
dope as fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
I dress tight or whatever.
But then there's those peoplewho's like man, your music
really helped me and when Iheard that I was like wow, like
it made me feel honestly, likeLike damn, this shit, this shit
really is worth something.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Like yeah, yeah, of course, absolutely.
It's a lot of value there thatwe don't appreciate.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
You don't know you don't know what people go
through behind a smile, and Isaid that in one of my latest
singles of the sender feelingand I and I said that you know
you hide behind a smile.
People don't know what you'refeeling.
You know it's killingeverything that's living to you.
Like what was the bar bro?
That shit was crazy.
I forgot what the bar wascalled, how I said it, but I
remember.
I invited out with JJ the otherday and I really thought about

(01:06:44):
that verse, and that verse talksabout personal things that I go
through because you know we allhave some battles, bro.
You know what I mean Like yeah.
I would say this older I got,the more I struggle with certain
things personally.
But Music really has helped me.
You know, balance the the mindfor me to not lose my sanity.
You know like it's crazy, bro,like being a dad, being a single

(01:07:05):
dad, going to work every day,balancing it with life.
You know, not not knowing howyou gonna pay your rent the next
day.
Not knowing, not like worryingabout your family members that
are going through shit like it'sa real fucking world out here.
You know, and and Like, eveneven being here, being a part of
this, is like it, like this istherapy for me, dog, like, yeah,

(01:07:25):
being able to just kind of talkto you guys, like it's all it's
no of course.
You know, I'm saying like likethis album, that I'm gonna tell
you something straight up, broLike working on this album has
been one of the most realestlike situations ever, because
back then I would do albums justto do I'm.
But this album is really,really personal, like I feel
like I'm living.
I'm actually living through itlyrics to man.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Yeah, cuz like I dropped albums writing with
meaning yeah Well, I know therewas times where we told me, like
brah, I'm not feeling it.
I don't know what to writeright now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Here's where I'm coming from.
It's like back then I willwrite albums just because I want
the homies to bump it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
You know what I?

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
mean Like just bump my shit, like I don't know real
deep yet, but now, like everytime I hear a song that I make,
I get in that mode and and it'slike really my life, like it's
crazy, and I used to seeinterviews with rappers talk
about that like all this my life, this and.
I'm looking at them like what?
What do they mean by that?
Like just rap.
But now I'm reallyunderstanding.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
By that.
I really understand and youknow what it?
You just said something that'sinteresting to me, bro, that
maybe that's why Now it's yourtime yeah, I mean, think about
it, because maybe back then youwere doing it for the wrong
reasons, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
But now that now you're just doing it now.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
You're just doing it and it feels natural to you.
And look, now it's starting.
Yeah, yeah, it's catchingtraction.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Hip hop is the most stressful genre as an artist,
bro, okay, over any genre.
I'm sorry to say dawg, becausewhat else from it is a
competition, like it's yourpersonal life.
But then there's a competition.
Yeah there's people that areout in the same city as you
fucking hating or talking toshit, or Wanted a place, a
fucking opinion, or, if theiropinion don't matter, if, if
they're, if, if, if, if, if your, if their vision doesn't match

(01:09:01):
what you're in, then you suckand I and I went through that
bro.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
I believe in many visions, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
I believed in a lot of visions, even though I've
been doing it for a long time,and that should Shied me away
from making music as a rapperfor a long time, until last year
, and I was like you know whatthe fuck?
Who are these people?
They sleep, they eat, they shit, just like I do.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Yeah they're not God.
Big facts, bro, just cuz look,they can do it, so can you, bro
you have to have the same andyou are doing it.
Yeah, I think people you knowyou're already doing it, bro,
you're more.
I'm sure you agree, do you?

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
see it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
You see it in your, in your music, bro, and music
and the results.
Bro, you're not doing that'sthe best part.
I don't even think you're doingit for that anymore, but you're
still getting them now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Yeah, I mean I, you're making moves, you know
it's really.
It's really.
How do you say it's reallytricky to?
How do you how I put wordsRight, like I don't give a fuck
about the image, but then I'mposting videos of, of course,
but no, but it's not.
It's, it's how you approach it,it's not.
Yeah, you're right.
I was just about to say thatthere is nothing hypocritic

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
about it bro, it's your artwork You're putting it
out.
That's it right now, not eventhat.
You're posting stuff becausethat's part of the vision.
What you mean, bro, right, no,no, that's.
You're posting that becausethat's.
You saw that, not just to promoit.
That's part of the wholeMessage, bro of it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
You know I'm saying so.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
So now, that's just part of your vision, bro.
It's not just a promo that's.
That's part of the wholepackage of the work that you put
up to put out.
It's probably one of therealest.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
It is.
I have a hat.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
I appreciate it very personal I like it, Thank you,
but we like it too.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Man Just listen into you talk, bro.
Just like describing the wholething I was just listening to
put it kind of put an imagery inmy head.
I am you when you were sayingyou know you were doing all of
that with like and even feedingyour kids like no money, kind of
thing, I'm like dang like my.
My boy was over here survivingwith nothing in his wallet but
faith.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Yeah, yeah, that's really, I remember there was a
good testimony.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
Yeah, I'll get.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Personnel which are, cuz you know nothing, scripted.
There was a situation Iremember, bro.
It was back in, like I wouldsay, 2016, right.
Those.
We were living with my mom's atthe time me and like my kids,
mom and shit.
And you know shit happened.
We moved out.
We were staying at my brother'sapartment.
It was like five of us in oneroom and you know we were on

(01:11:11):
welfare that time but welfarewasn't giving us our check.
For some reason.
They were waiting for like sometype of mail and we needed to
move out, bro, like we had tofind an apartment, right, and I
remember we were in that lineand for those that are on
welfare, y'all know what thatfucking line is.
Like you know, I'm saying and Iremember, bro, like she, my
kids mom, went in and we, wewere, we were just waiting, me

(01:11:32):
and my kids, you know me andthey come out nobody wanted to
help us, bro, nobody wanted tohelp our account, nobody.
And then this beautiful woman.
She was so concerned and shehelped us and she came out of
nowhere, bro, and made sure thatwe had money.
And we got like three grand onher on her Cash, cash stamps.
And I remember breaking downcrying, bro, right there, right

(01:11:54):
there at the welfare line, bro,like crying and grateful and
like yo, we get to get our ownapartment, like we can actually
like have some place to stay.
And it was a wholesomeexperience, because I remember
that that lady was crying too,and those are things that I will
always hold cherish dearly tome, you know.
Now now.
Financially, bro, I'm gonna keepit a buck.
I'm in a very good placefinancially, you know.

(01:12:16):
I'm saying like I have a reallygood paying job, but it you
know, for a long time.
I know what it's like, bro.
I know what it's like to notknow what to give your kids or
to have the lights cut off and,you know, have the candles on
and eat fucking you know cup ofnoodles heated up at the
microwave at the liquor store.
You know I'm saying like I knowall that shit, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Have enough to feed your kids, but not yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
I know all that shit and I stem from that and, like,
I'm a product of that, you knowand, mind you, like I said, it's
weird because as a child I hadnever, I'd never experienced
that.
You know what I mean and it'sweird, you know, especially, you
know how big facts.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
I never experienced that either.
The child never.
So for you to be an adult onthat experience, that bro yes,
it's it's like what side y'alltake one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
It definitely humbled me, man.
Like you know, it taught me alot in life.
It taught me to never judgepeople and and to always help my
jew.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Like really, really help bro, like that's why I say
you don't know what's behind asmile if you see someone smile a
lot.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
They're the ones that are in.
That's hurting, yeah, usuallythey're the ones that pain.
When you ask a person, you good.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Just got deep.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
You ask somebody they're good and they say
they're all right.
They're not a right.
I'm for the for the majority.
You know, I mean like yeah,it's a beautiful, beautiful
thing and to me music like.
That whole time going throughthat music was really like.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Holding you, holding me, bro, like I wasn't recording
at that time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
But I will write every day right, right, right,
right and then fantasize.
I remember logic was a huge,huge, huge part in my life
because I would fuck with logicbefore he blew up like it was
2008 dog.
You put me on to him, bro.
He was called psychological.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Yeah, bro, I Undeniable three.
You put me on the next night.
I will you put me on to thatone.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
I was like At that time, I was like I was almost
like living through him, becauseI was like man that would have
been me, like I would have beenhim.
I would have fucking been himif I never stopped.
You know, that mean yeah no bigfacts, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
You were.
I'm gonna be real man, I'm nottrying to shit on you know,
logics, rain or whatever?
No way, by no way.
A little bit respect for logic,and I'm gonna put that out
there first, before I even saythis next part, what I will say.
You were up next, bro, had younot stopped key club, all that.
Let's be real, I'm just beinghonest, not saying he wouldn't
have been up there with you.
You would be, he would havebeen your peer.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Yeah, but it's okay.
I honestly believe that, bro.
I do too.
I really do.
It was a good.
It's not too late for you.
I told you like it was.
I tell you that momentum wassolid.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
My boy was growing in and what happens?

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
you know like then all distractions all this shit,
I don't you know, I don't thinkit was by chance, man, cuz you
know, everything happens for areason.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
I really believe that , yeah, maybe there's, maybe
there was a sign down for you,bro.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
I feel like if I would have found success at such
a young age, I probably wouldhave become an.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
Yeah or my music.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
I wouldn't have never know as interested in music, I
wouldn't have succeeded.
But that's why I say pain, iswhy I feel like I'm at my most
best ability of making music.
Like, honestly, I really feelthat from the bottom of my heart
, I'll die with this shit.
Pain has really Molded me to bethe best that I can be and I'm
not the type of rapper.
No more to be like.
I'm better than everybody.

(01:15:10):
It's all subjective.
To me it's like I'm the bestI've ever been yeah like I have
never been.
I'm the better than any memknock version that I've ever
been.
I'm gonna humble you right, itreally, does man it really
really?

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
does.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Really does man, and it makes me more in touch with
humanity.
Like I look at a person and nowlook at you in your eyes, and
your eyes will tell me yourstory before you will.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Like I, would never look at you like somebody that I
Judge just because of yourdemeanor who you are or whatnot,
or where you came from.
Like and let your eyes tell thestory.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
We took such a deep route, man.
My next question was not deepat all.
No, no, of course.
This time let's talk, bro.
You know I'm gonna do.
We bounce around on this, onthis, on this, on this podcast
sometimes, man, but if you don'tmind me charming, is there more
you?

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
want to add to that?
All right, no man, I'm justgoing with the flow.
All right, cool, I want to makesure you were done before.
I jump in.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
It was good, bro, hey man yeah this is one of those
moments where we're gonna shiftit now to my next question, but
before we do that, I want totell you thank you for for
taking us on that little journeyjust now.
Man, I give him to somepersonal well, thank you guys
for opening.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Yeah, no, sure To hear it too, bro, honestly they
need exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
They need to hear it honestly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
So for that alone, that alone, bro, we applaud you,
man, because it takes a lot,bro, to do that every time I
hear this clap I feel like, likeit takes me to like some MF
doom vibes with a red curtainbehind me and I'm about to hear
that song with shawty.
You know what I mean Like.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
I love that clap.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
That's facts.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
It's dope right.
Yeah, how's that?
How's that feel to it?

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
man.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
You know.
But on my next question, man,it's like a little little less
deep.
But Rap beefs, man, did youhave a lot of those?
I know you had some in yourearlier stages.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
He looks like you ask me that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
man Of course you can , my boy.
Yeah, rap beefs.
Did you have any beefs, orsubstantial, it could be local
or local.
Counterfeit, because he'stalented to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Say no name.
There was, there was one beefthat actually made it, and this
was back in the days, my spacedays, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's hear about it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
It was a beef and shout out to our MF man they're
my brothers of the reason Istarted rapping, yeah, but it
was, you know.
And shout out to the homie redplague, it was, it was some hip
hop shit, it was.
All hip hop, we beefed it, weperform together and then the

(01:17:51):
vibes just went there with thatguy and you know shit was sad he
wrote shit on my space.
I thought it was we thought itwas a group.
We almost beefed it with thegroup.
Then we spoke and it was him.
We did some diss trackstogether and we don't know who
the fuck.
There was some diss tracks youdidn't have that in the city you
know, and you know, hesurprisingly went off.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Did he?
There was this track story.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
He went off, and that was the only time.
Then later on in years I reallynever really experienced like
rap oh like, yeah, rap beefs,know, but like artists that I
don't fuck with now, yeah, it'sfree to fuck up.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Yeah, I won't say no names.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
You know.
You know who you are, bro, likeyou're gonna know who you are.
Yeah, you know, there's some.
There's some people that Ifound out talking shit behind my
bad Complimenting.
That's what that song I wait iscalled.
Yeah, you know and you know.
But I know I hear shit, bro.
I hear shit behind the curtainsand the truth always comes out,
you know yeah.
I'll tell you this I'll tell youthis, bro, just don't say my

(01:18:48):
name.
Don't say my name on a record.
You could talk to people behindmy back.
You could say what you want.
I'm gonna hear it.
Yeah, but if you're man, unlessand tell you're a man enough to
talk to me and tell me in myface Well, we'll keep it cordial
.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean we'll keep it cordial.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Ain't nothing got to lead to violence?
Nothing, you know.
We'll keep it hip-hop.
We'll just be some too poeticman rapping over, beefing it
over poetry.
It sounds kind of corny whenyou say it but I'll tell you
this like just just don'tmention my name, bro, that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
That's nice.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Don't mention my name cuz when that happens, then
you're gonna come for the throat.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
You know like I'm a humble.
I'm a humble man, bro, but whenit comes to this rap shit, you
can't fuck with me.
You cannot fuck with me andthey do, you come.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
Every rapper feels that you know yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
You cannot fuck with me.
Don't, don't, don't open themdoors up, bro.
And I know you heard that songand I know you know it's about
you.
But I'm telling you straight updon't open them doors, bro.
It's a warning, that's all itis.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
So, over as you see this, you gonna know what that
is.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
He got the Thomas crew standing behind them too.
Oh, he said, you don't want it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Respect to you and what you do.
You know I'm saying I've alwaysfuck with you as a person.
I will always fuck with you asa person.
I would never be like you whackout of nowhere.
That's what I heard, but don'tthat that one person?
You talk shit to me, talk aboutme.
To keep it at that, bro.
That's yeah, keep it clean.
Yeah, we'll keep it clean.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Man right there, we'll leave it there because you
know I get said he's beenrespectable about it.
You could easily blew you outon this podcast right now, but I
wouldn't do that because yeahbro, I'm 30.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
I'm about to be 33.
Ro, yeah, I got two kids, man.
I course there's so much moreshit.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
I'm worried about them more important things going
on my energy on a human beingnot benefit my vision.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
We fix but if you open those doors, I will make a
puppet out of you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
You don't find it, Don't come see you to find it,
bro but that's, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
That's, I'll leave it right there, you know, okay,
cool.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
All right, cool, we leave.
That says one was my nextquestion.
You are an instigator.
That's how we move outside rollokey.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
We'll be adults about it and do your thing, I'll do
my bro.
Salute, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
You heard him here, bro.
Oh, the gun shots are just forit, just for it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Let's go back.
Let's go back to positivity.
It's just that's.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Bro, I just want you to know.
That's what it was.
I'm not.
I'm not trying to insinuate.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Everybody had a Windows.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
XP and they're like Hating here in that shit.
That shit took forever, that'snot the four squares, one is it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Yeah that's it, bro.
Well, Dell had Windows XP on it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Oh yeah, the Dell had that, bro.
That's it.
What's it Dell?

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
There was a type of computer.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
I think, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Dell had Windows on
it, yeah it is okay, so Dell,that was the computer brand.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Yeah, the operating system was.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
Windows, microsoft Windows, right, yeah, the only
look I came in when that was theera was just ending.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
You did, you did, bro , I grew up with the windows.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
You were born.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
I'm not saying.
I'm not saying I actuallyconsider no way.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
you are a millennial way.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Well, I don't know, no.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
I.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Do you know, man?
Okay, so, man, this is a goodepisode so far, brother.
I really appreciate you here.
Man, you know I'm saying whatwe're gonna keep it too, too
much longer.
But before we wrap things up,man, I was gonna be quiet asking
what my final questions were.
Did you have anything you wouldfor me?
One of the ask for we move on.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
Honestly, I Probably should just keep my mouth closed
because, honestly, we just keepa good conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Honestly, bro, that's a big part.
I was like this shit can be twohours and 40 minutes if we're
not careful, man.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Yeah, you know what?
This is?
Amazing fucking interview,probably one of the best
interviews.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
I've had and I mean I really appreciate that means a
lot.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
It's very wholesome, you know, but unfortunately I
got to take my baby girl out.
No, of course it's up our daddyand daughter day.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
That's fine, so we can wrap it up here.
But before you take officerwhat's up, I need the, I need
you.
I don't put you on the spot,bro.
You got a bit of freestyle forus, man.
Yo you can pick one out,brother, you got, you got the
luck, unless you want me to lockit.
No, I had to do it, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
I gotta do it I used to be like I bro that I will.
I will freestyle, I'll performand I'll be like throw me words.
I'll tell the crowd to throw mewords and oh, you one of those.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
It's still that.
You still that guy bro.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
I've done it for so long.
I just need to find some barthat can kind of help me start
the momentum.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
Yeah, I don't want to fuck it.
That's fine, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
I'm to me talking all tough and shit.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
Bro, especially if that motherfucker watches this
shit.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
I gotta come to freestyle.
You just got a man bro.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
I'm really gonna call out names.
Damn it, freestyle.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
You gotta do it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
That's mad.
2000s, bro, You're like shitbro.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Let me see what beats we Some, some, some.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
DJ, like when you're wrong, when you in there getting
the mix on black.
You're not your boy, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
That the end of.
Anyways, why I find a beat.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
Let's just, let's keep talking all right, I feel
you, man.
Okay.
So, man, before I keep incitingsome, some ignorant what do you
call that pushing you?
Pushing you down the road?
You don't want to go, man, Igotta bring out the old mem
knock.
You know saying I got, I got tobring them out just for a
second, bro.
You know saying whatever flowsto the mind, bro, you just pop

(01:25:03):
out with those lyrics.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
All right, yo, man, I'll be the name case you didn't
know.
Through the frames I demandtaint.
When I spit flows MC in thebrain.
Let's look better, get choresall about mine.
For the cash, I gotta get more.
And yo it's mad.
Knock for life.
And I'm a rapid to the fullest.
Where the cash are not, see,I've been in it for the music
leaving MC sleutas.
Gotta prove it, do it.
If you think that you can comeand not wrap this blueprint, I'm

(01:25:25):
switching it up.
I'm throwing up repping thatwest side past me.
The blunt homie, don't front,you don't stay.
Fly chilling with us.
Better have the appetite of aking.
And now that's for y'all.
I'm home.
When I rap to a beat, the savagespeaks was threatened to be
coming at me, and if you do, youbet they have a fucking arsenal
with you grilling rappersoutside Just like a barbie.
You do get in the mood.
Then just talk about the shitthat we do Hold up.

(01:25:46):
This is mad knock, homie.
You know I just got to start.
Never mind, dog, I'm wrappingup in time this talk.
That's how we get it, dog, youknow I gotta go.
I ain't your average Joe, but Igot the sickest flow coming
with the blows dog.
You know I gotta get it.
When you know me, fucking chief, and with this coyote homie,
never fucking want to go andblow me.
I ain't talking on that shit,dog.
I swing swords like Shinobi.

(01:26:07):
Oh, I'm Kobe switch the beatdog.
For those that don't know me, Idon't give a damn.
I was young, sipping on that40s, addicted to the Stokey,
dripping on the 14 with a gasunder my seat.
But you don't know me, I keepit clean like public washing
machines.
That's how I handle things.
Don't discriminate.
Battle me, dog.
You know you're fuckingstraight up.

(01:26:27):
Get eliminated.
Back to the project.
You know I'm never stoppingstraight up hip hop.
And check my wallet.
It's not just filled withcobwebs.
Check your options.
I'm never stopping.
I'm just straight up hip hop.
And this is the legendary typeof style I'll make you girl
smile.
Why'd she fucking look it inyour fowls, dog?
You a loser, straight up,fucking microphone abuser.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
Back to the program.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
You know that I'm the dope man.
I'm just dope man.
Point at you like I'm unclestands, keep it steady.
When I rock the bells, you knowI'm fly as hell.
I swear to God I'll neverprevail when I inhale.
But when I exhale, you know itnever stopped.
Mem knock the fucking top ofthe rock.
I keep it hard like it'sbedrock.
And I ain't talking about theflin stone, mem knock.
I swear to God.
Sometimes I think I'm skit.

(01:27:09):
So I'm living in pain.
I breathe the rain, can'tcomplain.
Every time I maintain that'sjust the way I handle things.
This is freestyle.
You know that.
I just never keep it.
I don't give a damn.
You know that.
I just gotta consume.
I'm in the room chilling in thekitchen.
Can't dismiss it.
When I be living, I'll shit onyour composition.
You can't dismiss it.
I'm so wicked dog.
You know everything I spit isso fucking pivot work.

(01:27:30):
That's it.
That's it.
I am not freestyle in a longtime.
You know what those felt like,uh.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
I don't come all the way around the table to shake
your hand, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Hey yo, I appreciate that man, and we're leaving it
right there Yo facts time totalk.
I appreciate that.
I appreciate that, bro.
Nah, I appreciate that, bro.
I appreciate that.
I appreciate that.
Thank you so much.
I was talking about you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
Thank you, thank you for your offer, Sure bro I don't
mean to disnobody man, but thisis the first time I've ever
heard somebody freestyle inperson that I didn't have to
fake the.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Yeah, shots fired, bro.
I know shots fired, but brothat and the fact that he just
kept going Nah, yeah, and thefact that it made sense, yeah,
that's hard to do bro.
I really appreciate that.
That's hard to do bro.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
Bro paused and it picked up from where he last
left off.
All right, that's right.
Oh my god, that's right.
No, no, bro paused and pickedup from where he left off.
That was the rhyme right there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
No, pause and picked up from where he left off.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
That's like no, bro.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
That was hard, bro.
Thank you so much, man.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
But yeah, man, I appreciate you kind of bringing
that out of me and kind ofreally like, like, made me step
out of them boundaries.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
That I had came out the closet huh In the right way.
He's in the right way.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
Yeah, that's funny man.
Hey, bro, before we head out,man, I like to keep people this
last moment to kind of like Putin their tidbits, like what you
got going on in your life, whatcan they expect?

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
if you want to drop in release dates, what's?

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
going on.
Definitely Um, if you haven'tactually heard.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
My last single is called I'll wait.
It just dropped about a weekago peep that shit out, people.
My other singles I was gonna beon the album deuces deuces is
yet to be announced, but thatalbum's dropping this year and I
promise y'all when I'm in, I'min dog.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
We're gonna be back for that too, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Yeah, you already know.
You already know, bro, Iappreciate you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Yeah, I appreciate you, brother.
No man.
Thanks again, brother, foreverything for being here.
It means the world to us, man.
Yeah, yeah, that's just there,bro.
Before we head out, though, ofcourse I gotta give a slight
chill to the floor and we'llquit one last time, brother,
what you got for me.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
Honestly, bro, I just want to say thank you again for
coming on man.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
I didn't know what to expect.
I knew it was a long timecoming and we've been waiting
for you Me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
He told me about it.
I already fuck with your energy, you know.
I mean appreciate that, bro,you're a solid individual.
I could sense your spirit andyour energy, bro and I.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
I'm honored man.
Yeah, thank you, bro.
You've been a big inspirationto me.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
Yeah, we really have, bro.
Honestly it's been, it's been ablessing bro.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
You know I like I respect you guys doing what you
guys do and setting time asideand going to work.
Like you, you know Telling mewhat you do and and you know
knowing what you do Like.
I have nothing but the utmostrespect for you guys and thank
you, just keep it going, brolike you know I'm saying no
matter how hard life gets, bro,it's always gonna fucking
sunshine.
The sunshine is going puresomewhere.
That's right, you know I meanfor real.
It's always gonna appear oneway or another.

(01:30:25):
Dog life is really beautiful.
It really is.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
No, it really is.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
man I'm gonna say bro , like we take that shit for
granted.
We really do.
Just look at the sky, man, andlook at yourself.
Stare at yourself in the mirrorand tell you you love yourself,
bro.
Yeah, no one's been throughevery single moment, but you,
you, your best friend.
Yeah, no one's been throughthis shit, even your mother,
your father, your brother.
They don't know you like you do, bro, you know what?

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
I'm saying Like you got yourself and tell yourself
you love yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
Man.
Amen, sometimes you just got tostare at that reflection and
look at yourself and needfucking eyes and be like I love
you bro.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
Man, that's where it's deep.
That's great.
Yeah, it's deep when you do it,mm-hmm, that's great bro.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
Thanks again, man.
See what's real tight, bro.
Appreciate it, man.
Thank you, man.
All right, cuz I was gonna askfor a few more minutes.
You're trying to play somebeats, bro, but I know you gotta
go, so we could say that fornext time, you know yeah we will
.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
We can meet up one day when we just fix on free
styles and should have a sessionwith a bunch of mcs.
I think that, bro, theyactually they be down to come on
.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
I'm saying that's why I said you come on with Eli,
bro, have y'all go back andforth.
That'll be cool, man, it'll behard, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
Well see, I don't want to say it like that I would
say it's you on his level.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Oh man it's.
I don't think, I don't know,bro.
I mean he's good, though he'sdefinitely good.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
Nobody that's been brought on yet, bro been on that
level, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
I really, really appreciate that man.

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
Thank you Nobody bro, I mean that genuinely.
Oh my god, that means a lot.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
That really makes my day, bro.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
For sure, bro.
All right guys.
Well, it's that time, so y'allknow where to find us.
Thank you guys again forlistening, vibing, watching us
every week You're fucking withus here.
Time to talk.
We appreciate you guys.
Thank you guys for your time,thank you for your ears, thank
you for your eyes.
We'll see you guys next week.
This has been timeless talk,wow, yeah, peace you.

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