April 3, 2025 • 16 mins
Conspiracy theories hold a peculiar fascination for humans, drawing us in through complex psychological hooks we explore in depth during this revealing episode of Tinfoil and Tea. From the comfort of belonging to a special group with "hidden knowledge" to our fundamental need for certainty in an unpredictable world, Henry and Olivia unpack the driving forces that make conspiracy theories so captivating.
The episode takes a deep dive into Flat Earth theory, with Olivia playfully attempting to defend the belief that our world is a stationary disc surrounded by an Antarctic ice wall. The conversation reveals startling insights about how these communities form and grow, including the revelation that 39 out of 40 Flat Earthers at a conference cited YouTube videos as their gateway to this belief system. This highlights the profound influence of social media algorithms in shaping our worldviews and connecting like-minded individuals across vast distances.
Beyond simply explaining Flat Earth beliefs—like the rejection of gravity in favor of an "accelerating upward Earth" theory—Henry and Olivia explore the interconnected nature of conspiracy thinking, where accepting one alternative explanation often leads to embracing many others. The hosts speculate humorously about what might exist beyond the supposed ice wall, suggesting perhaps a paradise for the elite or untapped resources. Their natural chemistry and laughter shine through even when discussing these sometimes divisive topics, promising a shift toward lighter "tea-spilling" conversations in future episodes. Whether you're conspiracy-curious or simply enjoy thoughtful discussions about human psychology, this episode delivers surprising insights with warmth and humor. Subscribe now and join the conversation by sending us your thoughts through Buzzsprout or our YouTube comments!
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hello listeners, Welcome to episode two of
Tinfoil and Tea.
I'm Olivia.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
And I'm Henry.
Hi Olivia, how are we doing?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
You know we're doing great today.
How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm feeling good.
We had so much fun on the lastepisode and really got a little
bit of traction.
We had more people listen to itthan we thought, which was so
exciting.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I know Big shout out to Japan.
Tons and tons of downloads fromthem.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, that was exciting to see.
So, yeah, we're going to do alittle bit more.
I think we're going to get intonot quite our format.
Just give them a review of whatour format is, even though
we're not going to exactly fitit today.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Definitely Sounds great.
What are you bringing to thetable for us today, henry?
Oh, you're going to do thereview though.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Oh, okay, sorry.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
All right.
So let's say we've got ourtinfoil.
So for those of you that arejust tuning in for the first
time, tinfoil is where one of usresearches a conspiracy theory
that's out there and tries toconvince the other person of the
conspiracy.
Okay, yeah, doesn't necessarilymean we're conspiracy theorists
(01:14):
, we're just here having funlooking at some things that are
kind of floating out there.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, and we just like to talk about whatever.
It seems kind of interesting.
That was our first topic.
We obviously have it in ourname as well, so we'll do that.
But today we're going to dosomething different.
Last week we did a quiz and wehad like four or five questions
and if you were with us you cantell how you did.
I think we missed one.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah, we knew quite a bit, yeah, pretty good, but
we'll get into them.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I think DIA, which is Denver International Airport,
is a good one.
We're going to talk a littlebit about flat earth today, ooh
yeah.
So here's what I'm going to doI'm going to ask you kind of a
few things and then I'm justgoing to have you try to defend
or try to take on the role of aflat earther.
But before we get into that,let's do something a little bit
more general.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
What do you think it is about conspiracies that makes
people interested?
That's a really great question.
I think it's the wondering.
I think people like to wonder,like what is out there, because
there's so many things thatcan't be explained or that
people just really don't knowabout.
I also think it's the belonging, like being part of a group,
and just generally people liketo believe what other people
(02:29):
think, and then it's fun to bepart of a group that all kind of
thinks the same way andbelieves the same stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, I think that's a big part of that Community and
identity is kind of the wordingthat I was going to use.
Being part of a group thatmaybe has hidden knowledge and
that kind of feeling.
I don't want to use the wordfeeling superior, but you feel
kind of important when you thinkyou know something that other
people don't.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I think that's part of it and to get people to
follow that thought.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, it's so different now than it was, you
know, 10 or 15 years ago,because you can find people who
are like-minded and you can findso much more information than
you used to be able to find.
I think there were a coupleYouTube videos and I meant to
kind of document which those twowere, but I think there were
two in particular that reallytook off on YouTube, talking
(03:18):
about conspiracies that fueledthe movement, so to speak.
So what else, besides communityand identity, anything else you
think of?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I think the easy access to information now, or
spreading of information right,there's all the social media
platforms through podcasts,through video.
You know quick little videosonline or quick little sound
bits online.
So it's just a fast way to kindof spread your word and I think
it gets out to more people thanit used to.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, there's.
There's two other things, too,that come to mind, and I want to
see what you think about them.
What is a desire for controland certainty?
You know, life is weird and notalways easy to understand
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah that that wondering right the unknown and
getting answers for the unknown.
It feels better than havingsomething be unknown.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, especially like in time of crisis.
You know we saw a lot ofconspiracies come out during
COVID.
Absolutely Right and so tryingto make sense of that and those
types of things.
I really think that's part ofit.
What about distrust ofauthorities and institutions?
I think that might be a reasontoo why people cling to
conspiracies.
They just don't trustorganizations.
And why people cling toconspiracies they just don't
(04:33):
trust organizations andtherefore they make up
conspiracies.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
It comes back to control right Thinking about
what you want to think about andbeing in control of that, not
listening to what other peopleare telling you, especially if
it's a group that you can't getbehind.
You don't want to take theirword, even if it is correct or
accurate information.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, Especially if there's been a government or,
you know, media corporation thathas had some corruption or some
lies and there's already kindof a layer of mistrust and it's
easy to kind of just add to that.
So Absolutely.
And we've talked about this acouple of times already that
social media and independentplatforms really allow for that
amplification of anybody'smessage, and so, yeah, I think
(05:18):
that that's something that wewell let me kind of give you an
example.
There was a study, and I thinkit was kind of an informal study
.
What got you into the flatearth theory?
39 of those 40 said a YouTubevideo.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
No way Yep.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
The algorithm or just stumbling across that led them
to go so far down that they werenow attending a flat earth
conference.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah, and now their algorithm is changed for good,
right, because they're going toget their perspective of that
and continuously get floodedwith that kind of information.
I could easily see how thatwould be.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
And what happens a lot of times is that these
conspiracies don't kind of fitin a vacuum, meaning they're not
just by themselves, you're notjust a flat earther, because if
you went to that conference,that Flat Earth conference,
there wasn't a ton about flatearth from the presenters, there
was all kinds of stuff aboutdifferent conspiracies, because
they all tend to kind ofintertwine.
(06:23):
So once you're in, you're kindof in a lot of them and not just
one.
That community piece, yeah, sojust kind of interesting
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
All right.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
All right, let's go into Flat Earth, let's do.
Okay, you're going to be ourpretend Flat Earther today.
Do you know anything about FlatEarth like what they believe?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I mean there's bits and pieces here and there.
So I'm interested to see whatyou kind of bring to the table
for me to have to buy into, forme to have to convince you of.
I got a little background, Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I'm going to give you a little bit of information.
One of the kind of truths orbeliefs is that the earth is
flat stationary disc.
Okay, so we're going to startwith that.
It's a flat stationary disc,okay.
Okay, you believe that theearth is not a sphere, but it's
flat.
You argue that if it were trulya spinning globe, you would
(07:17):
feel its motion, okay, and youwould actually see the visible
curvature.
And you don't.
Okay, like, look out the window.
You have a window right here.
Do you see a curvature of theearth?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
No, I don't Not from my perspective right now there's
your argument.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Are there holes in that?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I yeah, this is just one I struggle with and I think
it's just because I went toschool and I saw pictures of the
round earth and learned aboutgravity and learned about the
earth spinning.
And when I see a plane flyingin the air, I don't watch it fly
(07:59):
forever.
Northern and southernhemisphere, I mean it's just how
do I get to the other side ofthe world?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
We're going to get to gravity in just a second.
But, I wanted to hit one otherthing on this Antarctica is
actually an ice wall surroundingthe edge of the world.
Yes, that's what prevents youfrom falling off.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
My goodness, and like you were just saying, when you
get into one conspiracy theory,it just leads to another.
Because then I think of climatechange and how some people
believe that climate change is aconspiracy theory, and so what
happens is, if the world isgetting too hot and too warm and
we start melting it, do we juststart falling off the edge of
(08:42):
our earth?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Now there's no wall there to protect anymore.
No, maybe that's why you can'tbelieve that, because that would
happen.
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, it is Winter's coming, Winter's coming.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, we all know about that wall.
Let's talk about your gravitything.
It doesn't exist, according toyou, as a flat earther.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
No, because I'm just here and it's flat, Like why
would I need gravity?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
But if I hand you your phone, yes, or maybe I
don't hand you your phone, maybeI grab your phone off the table
and I hold it out in front ofyou and then I just let it go.
What happens to it?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Well, it drops.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So that's gravity.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Is it, though?
It's just like it's not gravity.
It's just what happens whensomething falls.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Do you know what the argument is from Flat Earthers
about that phenomenon?
Tell me that the earth isactually coming up accelerating
upwards, creating.
Tell me that the earth isactually coming up accelerating
upwards, creating that illusionof gravity.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So is it falling up versus falling down?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
That's what they think, oh my goodness, you
talked about airplanes.
Gravity, or real airplanes?
And water should behavedifferently on a curved surface,
they say.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
What would they do?
How would it behave differently?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Well, I think that water would continue to move,
probably, right, I mean, theoceans would continue to, like,
spill over onto the groundbecause it's curved and it's
rounded.
Think about how big the oceansare.
I mean, if there's a truecurvature and you're looking at
it like from a distance, youwould see water continue to
spill off to the left and to theright of the sphere, onto the
(10:16):
land, right, I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
But what if a big wave comes and goes up over the
barrier of antarctica?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
too big is it?
Too big it's too big it's toobig, the wall's okay that's
right.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
I'm sorry.
What was I thinking that would?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
be, ridiculous um, here's something else, too, that
nas, nasa and the governmentare lying to us.
What are some things?
Remember, you're the one thatdefends this, so what are some
things about events that we knowthat NASA or the government has
lied to us about?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Moon landing.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Wow, what do they say ?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Right, it didn't happen.
It was filmed, it was forged.
We just had to get there first.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, and I don't know that there's evidence.
I'm sure that if we truly had aflat earther here, they could
tell us I see the stage or I seeyou know something that proves
that it's actually not on themoon, it's in a production
studio in Los Angeles orsomething, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I guess maybe we should research that part,
didn't they say it's because theflag is blowing.
That was one of the pieces.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Because there's no wind, correct?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
And that the flag is like interesting.
This is another one we got tobring up, Right.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, interesting, this is another one we got to
bring up, right?
Yeah, um, theorists who believein this flat earth believe that
the deception from thegovernment exists because
there's land beyond the ice wall.
We're not supposed to know it,we're not supposed to see it
that explains why the waterisn't overflowing the wall
(11:56):
what's on the other end, like ifyou were to have to just come
up with something for ouraudience right now yeah on the
spot.
I've given you no time,absolutely I already have it in
my head.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Okay, it's district one.
It's like hunger games.
Right, it's the super rich,wealthy government officials
watching the rest of us justdestroy our half of the wall.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
It's exactly what's on the other side of the wall,
almost like a game, almost likea tv show, absolutely I I think
it's a paradise where people whoare in control obviously I
don't believe this, but I'mgoing with this for now almost a
special retreat the Incas hadthat.
(12:41):
The Inca nobility had a placewhere they were the only ones
that could go and visit.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
And I think it's something like that where
there's just Do you think theycome between?
Yeah of course, Like they'llcome over here, but then they're
like, oh my gosh, totally, it'sabsolutely out of control, and
then go back on the like niceside of the wall.
They have to make sure that allof the peasants who are making
them the money Absolutely aredoing the right thing, yeah, and
it's kind of like risk-takingthe deeper you go into our area.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Totally, I don't know .
I think that's so interesting.
So it's obviously financial.
Isn't everything financial?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Oh, definitely.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Something that allows them to either gain more, maybe
there's resources.
That would be my second guessthat there's resources.
A land of?
Infinite resources, yeah wherethey can just mine and take and
not have to share.
But it's definitely financialgain of some kind, I think.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
We're the financial gain.
It's like betting, right, it'sa game for them watching us over
here.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
People have always been the backbone of financial
gain for people, right, and aswe get into higher technology
and AI and robotics, that willchange and we'll see how that
kind of goes on.
But yeah, I don't know, kind ofinteresting.
So our three things for ourflat earthers, the earth is flat
stationary disk.
They believe that NASA and thegovernment are lying to us and
(14:05):
they believe that the gravitythat we tend to know kind of
just isn't really a thing.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, no, well, that is all news to me.
Yeah, so I would love forsomeone who is a flat earther.
Yeah, right, yeah, tell us Toreach out to us.
Yeah, send us an email, make acomment, let us know what you
think, why you think that way.
We're not here to judge, we'rejust here to get people's
perspective.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, you can reach us on Buzzsprout that's where
our host is for the podcast andthere's a little spot where they
call it fan mail, where youcould just click on it.
It says send a text, I believe,and you can send us a text and
it comes across as almost alittle message to us and it
would be awesome to hear fromyou.
We also post this to YouTube.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
And you know you can do just a normal YouTube comment
.
Yeah, just make a comment onthere.
We just want to get someinformation, hear what your
thoughts are.
Obviously, we're new to thisand we're just excited to dive
into this.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I think it's been super fun.
I think we're going to maybe dosome video.
So actually, when it's YouTube,there's something to look at
and I think, that we've doneconspiracies a couple times.
I would be interested, Olivia,you tell me what you think about
maybe just doing some tea andmaybe just doing an interesting
topic next time.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Absolutely.
That's like.
One of my favorite things isjust what is the hot news of the
moment?
That we just need to spill sometea over and just talk it out.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Absolutely, and here's why I'm going to say that
.
I don't know if you feel this,you and I.
Anybody that knows the two ofus knows that we just love to
laugh.
We spend 90% of our timetogether just laughing.
That's how people find us.
That's how people find us.
They don't even know where theyneed to be, but they can hear
us.
But conspiracies are a littleheavy.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
And they can get personal for some people.
Yeah, and so that's why we'retinfoil and tea.
Yeah, because we want to bringsome funny in.
Yeah, and I think that's got tobe our next one.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I think so let's do it, and we talked several times.
We have some friends who wantto come on.
One of them wants to talk abouttrue crime, and we'll do some
other fun stuff.
So we have a lot to share andwe're glad that you've been with
us today.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah, it's been really fun.
Thanks Henry, thanks Olivia.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
We'll see you next time.
Hello listeners, Welcome to episode two of
Tinfoil and Tea.
I'm Olivia.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
And I'm Henry.
Hi Olivia, how are we doing?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
You know we're doing great today.
How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm feeling good.
We had so much fun on the lastepisode and really got a little
bit of traction.
We had more people listen to itthan we thought, which was so
exciting.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I know Big shout out to Japan.
Tons and tons of downloads fromthem.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, that was exciting to see.
So, yeah, we're going to do alittle bit more.
I think we're going to get intonot quite our format.
Just give them a review of whatour format is, even though
we're not going to exactly fitit today.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Definitely Sounds great.
What are you bringing to thetable for us today, henry?
Oh, you're going to do thereview though.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Oh, okay, sorry.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
All right.
So let's say we've got ourtinfoil.
So for those of you that arejust tuning in for the first
time, tinfoil is where one of usresearches a conspiracy theory
that's out there and tries toconvince the other person of the
conspiracy.
Okay, yeah, doesn't necessarilymean we're conspiracy theorists
(01:14):
, we're just here having funlooking at some things that are
kind of floating out there.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, and we just like to talk about whatever.
It seems kind of interesting.
That was our first topic.
We obviously have it in ourname as well, so we'll do that.
But today we're going to dosomething different.
Last week we did a quiz and wehad like four or five questions
and if you were with us you cantell how you did.
I think we missed one.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah, we knew quite a bit, yeah, pretty good, but
we'll get into them.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I think DIA, which is Denver International Airport,
is a good one.
We're going to talk a littlebit about flat earth today, ooh
yeah.
So here's what I'm going to doI'm going to ask you kind of a
few things and then I'm justgoing to have you try to defend
or try to take on the role of aflat earther.
But before we get into that,let's do something a little bit
more general.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
What do you think it is about conspiracies that makes
people interested?
That's a really great question.
I think it's the wondering.
I think people like to wonder,like what is out there, because
there's so many things thatcan't be explained or that
people just really don't knowabout.
I also think it's the belonging, like being part of a group,
and just generally people liketo believe what other people
(02:29):
think, and then it's fun to bepart of a group that all kind of
thinks the same way andbelieves the same stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, I think that's a big part of that Community and
identity is kind of the wordingthat I was going to use.
Being part of a group thatmaybe has hidden knowledge and
that kind of feeling.
I don't want to use the wordfeeling superior, but you feel
kind of important when you thinkyou know something that other
people don't.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I think that's part of it and to get people to
follow that thought.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, it's so different now than it was, you
know, 10 or 15 years ago,because you can find people who
are like-minded and you can findso much more information than
you used to be able to find.
I think there were a coupleYouTube videos and I meant to
kind of document which those twowere, but I think there were
two in particular that reallytook off on YouTube, talking
(03:18):
about conspiracies that fueledthe movement, so to speak.
So what else, besides communityand identity, anything else you
think of?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I think the easy access to information now, or
spreading of information right,there's all the social media
platforms through podcasts,through video.
You know quick little videosonline or quick little sound
bits online.
So it's just a fast way to kindof spread your word and I think
it gets out to more people thanit used to.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, there's.
There's two other things, too,that come to mind, and I want to
see what you think about them.
What is a desire for controland certainty?
You know, life is weird and notalways easy to understand
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah that that wondering right the unknown and
getting answers for the unknown.
It feels better than havingsomething be unknown.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, especially like in time of crisis.
You know we saw a lot ofconspiracies come out during
COVID.
Absolutely Right and so tryingto make sense of that and those
types of things.
I really think that's part ofit.
What about distrust ofauthorities and institutions?
I think that might be a reasontoo why people cling to
conspiracies.
They just don't trustorganizations.
And why people cling toconspiracies they just don't
(04:33):
trust organizations andtherefore they make up
conspiracies.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
It comes back to control right Thinking about
what you want to think about andbeing in control of that, not
listening to what other peopleare telling you, especially if
it's a group that you can't getbehind.
You don't want to take theirword, even if it is correct or
accurate information.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, Especially if there's been a government or,
you know, media corporation thathas had some corruption or some
lies and there's already kindof a layer of mistrust and it's
easy to kind of just add to that.
So Absolutely.
And we've talked about this acouple of times already that
social media and independentplatforms really allow for that
amplification of anybody'smessage, and so, yeah, I think
(05:18):
that that's something that wewell let me kind of give you an
example.
There was a study, and I thinkit was kind of an informal study
.
What got you into the flatearth theory?
39 of those 40 said a YouTubevideo.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
No way Yep.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
The algorithm or just stumbling across that led them
to go so far down that they werenow attending a flat earth
conference.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah, and now their algorithm is changed for good,
right, because they're going toget their perspective of that
and continuously get floodedwith that kind of information.
I could easily see how thatwould be.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
And what happens a lot of times is that these
conspiracies don't kind of fitin a vacuum, meaning they're not
just by themselves, you're notjust a flat earther, because if
you went to that conference,that Flat Earth conference,
there wasn't a ton about flatearth from the presenters, there
was all kinds of stuff aboutdifferent conspiracies, because
they all tend to kind ofintertwine.
(06:23):
So once you're in, you're kindof in a lot of them and not just
one.
That community piece, yeah, sojust kind of interesting
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
All right.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
All right, let's go into Flat Earth, let's do.
Okay, you're going to be ourpretend Flat Earther today.
Do you know anything about FlatEarth like what they believe?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I mean there's bits and pieces here and there.
So I'm interested to see whatyou kind of bring to the table
for me to have to buy into, forme to have to convince you of.
I got a little background, Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I'm going to give you a little bit of information.
One of the kind of truths orbeliefs is that the earth is
flat stationary disc.
Okay, so we're going to startwith that.
It's a flat stationary disc,okay.
Okay, you believe that theearth is not a sphere, but it's
flat.
You argue that if it were trulya spinning globe, you would
(07:17):
feel its motion, okay, and youwould actually see the visible
curvature.
And you don't.
Okay, like, look out the window.
You have a window right here.
Do you see a curvature of theearth?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
No, I don't Not from my perspective right now there's
your argument.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Are there holes in that?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I yeah, this is just one I struggle with and I think
it's just because I went toschool and I saw pictures of the
round earth and learned aboutgravity and learned about the
earth spinning.
And when I see a plane flyingin the air, I don't watch it fly
(07:59):
forever.
Northern and southernhemisphere, I mean it's just how
do I get to the other side ofthe world?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
We're going to get to gravity in just a second.
But, I wanted to hit one otherthing on this Antarctica is
actually an ice wall surroundingthe edge of the world.
Yes, that's what prevents youfrom falling off.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
My goodness, and like you were just saying, when you
get into one conspiracy theory,it just leads to another.
Because then I think of climatechange and how some people
believe that climate change is aconspiracy theory, and so what
happens is, if the world isgetting too hot and too warm and
we start melting it, do we juststart falling off the edge of
(08:42):
our earth?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Now there's no wall there to protect anymore.
No, maybe that's why you can'tbelieve that, because that would
happen.
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, it is Winter's coming, Winter's coming.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, we all know about that wall.
Let's talk about your gravitything.
It doesn't exist, according toyou, as a flat earther.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
No, because I'm just here and it's flat, Like why
would I need gravity?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
But if I hand you your phone, yes, or maybe I
don't hand you your phone, maybeI grab your phone off the table
and I hold it out in front ofyou and then I just let it go.
What happens to it?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Well, it drops.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So that's gravity.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Is it, though?
It's just like it's not gravity.
It's just what happens whensomething falls.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Do you know what the argument is from Flat Earthers
about that phenomenon?
Tell me that the earth isactually coming up accelerating
upwards, creating.
Tell me that the earth isactually coming up accelerating
upwards, creating that illusionof gravity.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So is it falling up versus falling down?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
That's what they think, oh my goodness, you
talked about airplanes.
Gravity, or real airplanes?
And water should behavedifferently on a curved surface,
they say.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
What would they do?
How would it behave differently?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Well, I think that water would continue to move,
probably, right, I mean, theoceans would continue to, like,
spill over onto the groundbecause it's curved and it's
rounded.
Think about how big the oceansare.
I mean, if there's a truecurvature and you're looking at
it like from a distance, youwould see water continue to
spill off to the left and to theright of the sphere, onto the
(10:16):
land, right, I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
But what if a big wave comes and goes up over the
barrier of antarctica?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
too big is it?
Too big it's too big it's toobig, the wall's okay that's
right.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
I'm sorry.
What was I thinking that would?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
be, ridiculous um, here's something else, too, that
nas, nasa and the governmentare lying to us.
What are some things?
Remember, you're the one thatdefends this, so what are some
things about events that we knowthat NASA or the government has
lied to us about?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Moon landing.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Wow, what do they say ?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Right, it didn't happen.
It was filmed, it was forged.
We just had to get there first.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, and I don't know that there's evidence.
I'm sure that if we truly had aflat earther here, they could
tell us I see the stage or I seeyou know something that proves
that it's actually not on themoon, it's in a production
studio in Los Angeles orsomething, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I guess maybe we should research that part,
didn't they say it's because theflag is blowing.
That was one of the pieces.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Because there's no wind, correct?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
And that the flag is like interesting.
This is another one we got tobring up, Right.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, interesting, this is another one we got to
bring up, right?
Yeah, um, theorists who believein this flat earth believe that
the deception from thegovernment exists because
there's land beyond the ice wall.
We're not supposed to know it,we're not supposed to see it
that explains why the waterisn't overflowing the wall
(11:56):
what's on the other end, like ifyou were to have to just come
up with something for ouraudience right now yeah on the
spot.
I've given you no time,absolutely I already have it in
my head.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Okay, it's district one.
It's like hunger games.
Right, it's the super rich,wealthy government officials
watching the rest of us justdestroy our half of the wall.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
It's exactly what's on the other side of the wall,
almost like a game, almost likea tv show, absolutely I I think
it's a paradise where people whoare in control obviously I
don't believe this, but I'mgoing with this for now almost a
special retreat the Incas hadthat.
(12:41):
The Inca nobility had a placewhere they were the only ones
that could go and visit.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
And I think it's something like that where
there's just Do you think theycome between?
Yeah of course, Like they'llcome over here, but then they're
like, oh my gosh, totally, it'sabsolutely out of control, and
then go back on the like niceside of the wall.
They have to make sure that allof the peasants who are making
them the money Absolutely aredoing the right thing, yeah, and
it's kind of like risk-takingthe deeper you go into our area.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Totally, I don't know .
I think that's so interesting.
So it's obviously financial.
Isn't everything financial?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Oh, definitely.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Something that allows them to either gain more, maybe
there's resources.
That would be my second guessthat there's resources.
A land of?
Infinite resources, yeah wherethey can just mine and take and
not have to share.
But it's definitely financialgain of some kind, I think.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
We're the financial gain.
It's like betting, right, it'sa game for them watching us over
here.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
People have always been the backbone of financial
gain for people, right, and aswe get into higher technology
and AI and robotics, that willchange and we'll see how that
kind of goes on.
But yeah, I don't know, kind ofinteresting.
So our three things for ourflat earthers, the earth is flat
stationary disk.
They believe that NASA and thegovernment are lying to us and
(14:05):
they believe that the gravitythat we tend to know kind of
just isn't really a thing.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, no, well, that is all news to me.
Yeah, so I would love forsomeone who is a flat earther.
Yeah, right, yeah, tell us Toreach out to us.
Yeah, send us an email, make acomment, let us know what you
think, why you think that way.
We're not here to judge, we'rejust here to get people's
perspective.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, you can reach us on Buzzsprout that's where
our host is for the podcast andthere's a little spot where they
call it fan mail, where youcould just click on it.
It says send a text, I believe,and you can send us a text and
it comes across as almost alittle message to us and it
would be awesome to hear fromyou.
We also post this to YouTube.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
And you know you can do just a normal YouTube comment
.
Yeah, just make a comment onthere.
We just want to get someinformation, hear what your
thoughts are.
Obviously, we're new to thisand we're just excited to dive
into this.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I think it's been super fun.
I think we're going to maybe dosome video.
So actually, when it's YouTube,there's something to look at
and I think, that we've doneconspiracies a couple times.
I would be interested, Olivia,you tell me what you think about
maybe just doing some tea andmaybe just doing an interesting
topic next time.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Absolutely.
That's like.
One of my favorite things isjust what is the hot news of the
moment?
That we just need to spill sometea over and just talk it out.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Absolutely, and here's why I'm going to say that
.
I don't know if you feel this,you and I.
Anybody that knows the two ofus knows that we just love to
laugh.
We spend 90% of our timetogether just laughing.
That's how people find us.
That's how people find us.
They don't even know where theyneed to be, but they can hear
us.
But conspiracies are a littleheavy.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
And they can get personal for some people.
Yeah, and so that's why we'retinfoil and tea.
Yeah, because we want to bringsome funny in.
Yeah, and I think that's got tobe our next one.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I think so let's do it, and we talked several times.
We have some friends who wantto come on.
One of them wants to talk abouttrue crime, and we'll do some
other fun stuff.
So we have a lot to share andwe're glad that you've been with
us today.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah, it's been really fun.
Thanks Henry, thanks Olivia.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
We'll see you next time.
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