Ep. 202: Dreamscape Spiritual Warfare

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
And I just turned around and I call ass out
of there.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I was done.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
I wasn't deal with them.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
that turned me.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on,
it turned and looked at us. And one of the
things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red.
I see an orb of light.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
It is just circling these steps.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Like it is waiting for me.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.
They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven
foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's
where I saw.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes. As
soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I
don't like death.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Welcome back to Ted Foyle tells. I'm your host, Brandon Tonight.
We are joined by my guest, Miss McGillicuddy. Thanks for
coming on here and talking with me.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Would you like to let the audience know a little
bit about yourself before we dive into it?

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Well, uh, you know, my story is longer than the
subject we're going to talk about, but right now we're
gonna we're gonna talk about I've been a lucid and vivid,
actual dreamer ever since I can remember. And you know,
I just uh, I've come to know that those experiences

(01:44):
that I've had and still have are very spiritual in
nature and eerily similar to that of abductees. And I'll
get into that in a minute, but I just uh,
I feel very ever since I came to the Lord
out of Witchcraft, I've gotten more answers than ever of

(02:08):
what really is going on, and it's quite a phenomenon.
I've come across a few people who have had similar experiences.
I love the work of Vicky Joy Anderson. She's really
helped with figuring out, you know, giving some language and
some context of what is going on. And these experiences
can be very terrifying, and you know, you can feel

(02:32):
like there's nothing that you can do, but there is
a lot that you can do. And so I hope
to be able to share that to people. So, you know,
if I could reach someone who was me five years ago,
I could help them find uh, you know, some answers
to that, to some of their questions and get some
some offense to this, because you can seem really out

(02:54):
of out of control with it. You know, like it's
there's nothing you can do.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Well, if you are ready to begin, I will turn
it over to you and I will just let you talk.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Okay. Yeah. So as a child I had a number
of experiences. I used to see these things I just
called the little little shadow people, and upon occasion, a
very tall one, and for the most part I would

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just you know, I try to go to my parents
about it, and it'd be a lot of it's just
a dream, or you know, oh, there's nothing there, which
I never do to my kids because let me tell you,
if you've gone through it, it's it can be very frustrating.
And but AnyWho, So I my first real intense experience

(03:53):
was my first h what I think was the attempt
for something very spiritual. As a child, I didn't quite
have any context of it. And in fact, there's quite
a bit that I've wocked out that have slowly been resurfacing.
But I'm going to talk about some that I found
to be a little bit more prevalent and probably the

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most intense. The first one that was the most intense
was actually when I was pregnant with my son, who
is on the spectrum, and that was somewhere at the
tail end of twenty thirteen and twenty fourteen, my now
husband had to wake me up, and I just was.

(04:41):
I guess I was like hysterically crying, you know, the
standard kind of sleep paralysis spouse experience of what was
happening to me. But in what I had seen and
what I was experiencing in there, I almost didn't have
any words to express. It was like I had been
in shock, you know. I couldn't even express it to him.

(05:03):
But what I had seen was I was in a
room with all of these huge shadow creatures. There was
about eight of them that I could see, you know,
facing me. I was on a like table, like a
like a I don't know table slash altar or something,

(05:24):
just laying on it. But I was without the ability
to move my appendages. And a very tall man came
and he was quite handsome. He actually looked like Mark Wahlberg,
which ruined Mark Wahlberg movies for me. And then all
of a sudden he got on top of me and

(05:45):
he was his face changed. He was making this very
sinister smile that morphed his face, and then he was faceless.
And then all I saw was like this strange like
back and forth of no face and then just this incredible,

(06:06):
incredibly sinister face looking at me, and all of them
were cheering, as you know. Unfortunately he but the kids
would say great to me. And and at some point,
I uh, I was like kind of shaken, awakened by
my husband or now husband, and those kinds of things

(06:30):
I do remember. I hate to backtrack, but there are
a couple of those resurfaced. That dream, specifically resurfaced flashbacks
of ones that apparently had happened when I was little,
but something very I mean, it was just it was unbelievable.
It was so unbelievably real. And most of my dreams

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are like that, but I remember it was just horrible.
It's absolutely horrible. And the next one I had that
was the most that was a super intense one involved
a pseudo like how can I put this? It was

(07:12):
kind of like your typical astral flight dream or your
astral walking dream. And I started off walking outside my
house and outside, and I remember thinking like, why am
I outside It's nighttime? Because I'm very conscious and aware
of what's going on. And as soon as I the moment,

(07:33):
like the conscious thought of I'm outside. Why am I outside?
As soon as I thought that, I was brutally attacked
outside in you know, in the in this astral and
right outside my house. No one could hear me screaming.
And when it was another violent attack like that last

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one I just told you. Around two thousand and one,
I started trying. I was still heavily in the New Age,
but I was getting more curious as to I was
looking into what these dreams were, what kind of spiritual
components were in there. And I wasn't getting as much

(08:15):
clarity as I would have liked. You know, I was
still very much believing in things like my ancestors and
spirit guides and higher self, and I was, in fact
much of it was encouraged to be okay with this
astral travel. And to mind you, anytime it's happening at
that point, to me, something horribly violent would happen. And

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I stumbled upon the work of Michael s. Heiser, and
he spoke of we have an unseen realm. He's very
he's not since now passed away, but he went on
a lot of his works are apologetic, and I was familiar.
I grew up in a Christian home, but so I
was familiar with the concept, not just familiar with the

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concept of the Bible. Was familiar with Bible, but his
ability to show me that this spiritual stuff that I'm
experiencing existed in the Bible, and he had language and
directions to point me in ways that would help. I
felt guided would help me to find answers and kind
of understanding as well as perhaps relief from this. Shortly

(09:25):
before I fully gave myself over to the Lord, about
a year later after this, I had a I was
still doing some Shortly before I had surrendered, I was
still doing meditations, and I wasn't practicing in witchcraft I
mentioned earlier, I was a divination practitioner, tear at cards, pendulums,

(09:50):
intuitive reads, things like that. I wasn't something I made
money off of, but it was something I was really
good at. I was also really fixated on automatic writing
and channeling, which I found out through Heiser's work were gates, doorways,
ways for to amplify what was happening to me in

(10:11):
my dream life, as well as amplifying these these gifts
that I had, but but perverting them, you know, and
leaving me quite open to something quite dangerous. It was
really before I surrendered, I had, I had stopped all
of the witchcraft, but I was still practicing like breathing

(10:35):
methods and meditations, and I had been feeling, for lack
of a better term, like haunted by the constellation Orion.
I know, I sound like a lunatic, but I'm a
very intelligent, smart person. But I I can't tell you.
I couldn't. There was nowhere I could go where I
didn't see the the the alignment of the Orion constellation.

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Everything from three would be exactly placed, like the Giza Pyramid,
like the Belt of Orion. I would see it everywhere.
And so I was still a meditative person, and I decided,
and it was actually to the point of punting to
where in my backyard or in my patio. At this time,
I was still a smoker. It was on my patio
smoking cigarette. And I would do this every evening, you know,

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before I would go to bed or just to relax.
And for at least two weeks straight, the Orion Belt
was literally if I turned around, it was exactly in
view from my house. After the first week, I got
curious because it seemed like these stars were not moving.
So I went on and got an app those ones

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that allow you to see the constellations where they are
in the day and the night. You just kind of
hold your phone or your tablet around and it'll, you know,
show you where wherever you're pointing at what's out there.
And the Orion belt was not there. It was supposed
to be in a completely different place. But for another
week I saw this, and I had a bunch of

(12:03):
pictures of it, but my my phone got attacked and
I got black screen to death, and so all of
the stuff on there was inaccessible. Otherwise I would share
those photos with you as well, of But so I
decided Sintead was still meditating. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna meditate.
I felt this guided information to meditate to whatever this

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who they want me to meditate to, these Orion constellations.
So after everyone was asleep, I got up and I
went in my living room and I opened the curtain
to the patio sliding glass door, which faced stay around
whe I could clearly see it, and I I, for
whatever reason, was guided to lay down on the floor
instead of in a meditative position but facing it. So

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I did, and I laid there, and you know, I'm
very quick into meditation. I could go very deeply, very
I was very practiced in this, and so I was
just emptying myself like you're supposed to do, which, by
the way, very dangerous. I'll tell you why. So I'm
laying there, breathing, relaxing, emptying, opening up to tell me

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what you guys want from me? What do you want
me to know? The moment I get to, which is
very quickly a that perfect state, with my eyes closed,
I could see completely as if they with now my
eyes are closed. I know this sounds very tricky. My
eyes are closed and I can see these shadow these

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shadow things no taller than perhaps the height of what
we consider a gray. There are seven of them, and
they are slowly walking toward my body, toward my left leg,
and they all reach down and touch like a hand,

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up the length of my left leg. And as soon
as they touch me, I feel like I'm being pressed
into mud. But I'm just in my living room, on
the floor. But I can the sensation is intense. At
this point, I didn't I just kept going with it.
I thought they're going to tell me whatever this is
and then they'll leave me alone. They slowly progress touching my

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body all the way up the left side, walking and touching,
and then they all stand around my head. They're all
like behind the top of my head and they start
poking tapping what is not my skull because it doesn't
make that sound like it's tapping your skull. I felt

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like it was tapping my brain. And then one came up,
one lifted my head like I felt the sensation, but
I'm pretty sure I didn't move. I mean, I don't know,
I wasn't watching and put its thumb like cradled my
head in its hands from behind, and then put its

(15:05):
thumbs on where your occipital lobe is, and that's the
bottom like where the nape of the skull is. It's
actually where our delta the delta waves are and where
your dreams and how we process that area of uh

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you know, dream realm, spirit realm, where all of that
is processed, and just touches it with both of the thumbs.
And then I went as if I hadn't been breathing
and sat up and I didn't know. I didn't obviously
I didn't get any answers of what that was. Then

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whatever they wanted me to do, I'm gonna tell you
what happened there, because I had a I took a
nap one day, just late two thousand and three, a nap.
My son was at school on school now, but he
was at school at the time, and I thought, I'll

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just sitness recliner chair and take a little nap. Now,
this is the I fall asleep. And one experience that
happens with people who have astral. They can have these
two different two things will go along with this vivid,
lucid and astral dreaming, you'll get what's called pulled astral

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or voluntary astral, and that's where you willingly walk out
of the body or you get pulled out, and along
with that some this isn't less common, but you may
get what I get, which is called false awakenings, and
that's where you'll be in the dream and you will
I think you're awake, and it's very different than astral,

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but you'll get up and like in this instance, I
got up about five times out the chair, walked into
the kitchen or more coffee, microwaved one at one point
because I could feel the temperature was not warm enough,
and then got like suck back into my body. I'm
back in the chair. Okay, whatever, I'm gonna get up.

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Got this is ridiculous. I'm gonna wake up now. And
I also experienced, along with the pull back into the body,
this other thing which uh I should have brought up
earlier that it's called I don't know if it has
a name. Vicky joy Anderson calls it something, but it's this.

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It's a it's like this thing that will block your
vision where it literally feels like a like a black
screen is coming down and you keep having to kind
of go down to try to look under the screen
and try to get out. If I don't get that,
I'll get the pulled back into your body thing. So
it's so my research shows it has something to do
with whatever's happening through the veil that you're in the

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astral it's not wanting you to see and for whatever reason,
they want to remind you when they stuck you back.
But so anyways, the sucking back in the nap and
the nap happens at least I lost count how many
times it happens. And by this point I'm super frustrated.
But remember something that Vicky always stuck with me, and
that was to look for the glitches. Okay, look for

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the glitches. Look for the thing that's off. Is there
a door that shouldn't be there, furniture that you don't own,
or isn't there, you know, look for because they can't
fully mimic everything. And so I do, and I look,
and I see, oh, okay, that door doesn't open that way.
And then I realized, oh my gosh, like that chair

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is not that color. Okay, okay, fine, So I immediately
am no longer. I just tell myself, okay, I'm not
going to like God is with me. I'm not going
to be afraid. And I had already surrendered by this
point to the Lord. And as soon as I say,
in my mind, the thought goes through where I say, okay,

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all right, I'm onto you, you know, like I'm onto it.
I know what's up. Someone's gonna try to come and
do something crazy or mess with me, but I'm not
gonna be afraid because God's with me. The moment that happens,
I am, I have of the sensation of my arms
and my legs are in strengths and I can't get up,

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and and then I feel hand like what feels like
hands on my head like holding my head back, and
I'm just sitting and I'm like, oh my gosh, oh
my gosh, okay, all right, what's going on? And and
then I hear in my left ear and it says,
you know, you asked for us to come. We're not leaving,

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but it was more like that's first to come. And
immediately I just said, I know that you're with me.
I pray, I pray that you'll be with me right
and lordly help me. And then I had a false
awakening and then immediately the scraps are back again, and

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this time I hear the Lord. The Lord tell me
in my ear. He says, I'm here. It's okay, I'm here,
it's all right, I'm here. And as soon as that happens,
I get this sensation that two hands like like like
as if someone was behind me, and they put both

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put their hands over my mouth, and then that here
in my ear, pray now they've covered my mouth. And
as soon as that happens, I feel the Lord tell
me I'm still here. I'm still here. And then I
feel my left arm or my right arm release like
there's no strap on it, and he says, the Lord
tells me pull them out. I don't know what that means,

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but immediately went to reach to my left knee and
I start pulling this like it's not smoke, it's not liquid,
but it's black and it's gooey and stretchy. And I
pull it out of my knee like the all the
sensations of it, as if something's coming out of me.
And then I as soon as it's out, and you

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hear like this little kind of snappy sound. It goes
like go on. And then the Lord says again, and
I go and pull at my I put my hand
in a fist and I'm able to grab something out
of the front of my left hip and I pull
the same thing I could literally feel like the stretchy grossness,

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same looking stuff, and goes away. And then I pull
another one out of my shoulder. This went on, from
what I could tell, at least seven or eight times,
seven times and then then uh, the Lord. Then I
feel the sensation of a mask being put over my
face and and a strap around my throat and my

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arm is stuck again and then and uh and I
just I hear like this this odd noise. I cannot
I cannot the life of me. I can hear it
in my head, but I cannot like repeat it. It's
like a It almost sounds like if you were tightening straps,
you know, not not a clinky metal like on a

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truck strap for like a semi, but like like if
you were like leather straps, you know. I hear that
sound and everything is getting tired on my body and
now it's on my throat, and I like, I can't.
I feel like I can't breathe. And then I hear
the Lord and he says, I got this one. And
then all of a sudden, in my lower like where

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my tailbone is, I feel that string and pulling and
stretching and pulling. But this one is huge, and it's
pulling through out of my back through the chair to
where I can feel myself being pulled into the chair
and pulling pulling, and you can almost it almost feels
like the pulling is now two hands having to pull
it pulls it out. And then that one made.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
This preey creepy like slow draggy sound after it was
pulled out, but it almost hurt when I almost like
felt pain when it finally stretchingly pulled out.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
And then uh, I all of a sudden, Okay, then
I have oh that comes out. And then as I'm
laying there, the throat sensation was subsided. I still couldn't
move my body, but then I started going up, like
flat up into the ceiling and then everything turned white

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and I woke up. And my poor husband walks in
the living room right at that as that happened, and
I just have this like shocked look on my face.
And mind you, he's supportive, but like he's never experienced
anything like this. Though it took me a minute to
even realize I wasn't there anymore. I mean, it was

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that it was that intense. I later on I had
a dream and I felt the Lord was explaining to
me that this was those things being pulled out of me,
whatever I had invited in. You know, the whole concept
of like Hitchhiker, why I definitely reward against. You know,

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people need to think about what they're doing and the
actual gravitas of what they're doing when they're doing this
like ce five psionic stuff. And I'm saying this because
of what happened that the Lord really showed me about
what happened to me is these things, Yes, they came,
and the eye openly opened the door for them to

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come to me, and they came to my kids. And uh,
it ended up in a situation with which I had
a deliverance dream where I delivered my son from this
like I had done to myself, essentially, you know, with
the Lord's help. What my understanding was is that that
was a deliverance of those out of myself and with

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my son. In that situation, I was in a another
lucid dream. Side note, my I have had shared dreams
with my children, uh, especially quite a lot of them
with with my youngest who's on the spectrum, and oddly

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enough my with my son, I've had these wild ones
where we've whenever I have a dream with him, there's
always like a weird portal, and it's been kind of
a fascinating little pride note. But in this one with him,
we were in a in this house that had no
doors on the inside. It had doorways into two different rooms,

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but there was no exit out. We were walking around
for a little bit and I was I noticed that
that there's no there weren't even windows. There were just
rooms with no doors and just the doorway. And the
moment I was like, Okay, well need I'm thinking, I'm

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just thinking this in my mind. I need to get
him out of here. I feel like something's coming and
that as soon as that happens, there are these two huge,
huge black dogs, not like a Rottweiler, more like a
looking like a like a wolf looking but but but
very like demonic looking, and they're behind me, but they're

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like in slow motion and they can't. I'm holding my
son's hand and I'm just reminding myself like I do
and have learned to not have fear period when when,
whenever this is happening because a lot of these spirits
and a lot of this stuff in this realm really
enjoys when you're afraid. That's the whole point. There's a

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lot of loution energy grabbing that's involved, and a lot
of you know, you're more likely to make a contract
with them or do what it is that they want,
you know, if you're either afraid or you know, there's
even instances where you're uh tricked or you know, seduced,

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which is another thing we'll get into in here a second,
and like involving incubus succubist type stuff and what people
do when they pleasure themselves. I got to see what
those little demons look like, and it's horrible. So in
this deliverance with my son, I see these dogs that
are slowed down. They're like literally at a slowed down rate.
I can tell they're running to us. They're like not

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foaming at the mouth, but they are teeth arling, looking
like they're ready to attack us. And as soon as
I notice them, there's this cat and it comes up
to me, and I have this knowing to follow this cat.
The cat knows the way out, so I start following
the cat. But the cat goes into like this closet.
It has a door, but it's a closet, and I

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just have this knowing, Okay, we have to go in here.
Go in there. I close the door and I lock it.
There's a lock on it. And my son is sitting
down in this chair that's in this closet, and the
cat's just chilling out on the floor. But all of
a sudden, it's like those dogs were now not in
slow motion. They were throwing nuts at the door. And

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as soon as I'm thinking, oh my gosh, what am
I going to do? My son collapses to the floor.
And he is his eyes are as if they're rolled
back in his head. He's motionless, he's not breathing, and
I just hear. I have this knowing that comes into
my head that says, put him on your lap, and
you need to prey on him right now. And so

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I did grab him, scoop him in my arms, lay
him across my lap, and I just put my hand
on him, and I start praying. And then the Lord says, no,
you're going to command them out. You're going to command
them out. And I don't even remember what I said.
It was nothing like an Exorcist movie, though you know
I wasn't. It was literally the symbol words that I said,

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and I did it three times, and then all of
a sudden, that same stuff that I pulled out a
meat came shooting up out of my son's mouth that
even came out his ears and his eyes and his
nose and just went away. And he went and was awake.
And as soon as he took in a breath, a

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door like a doorway opened with light outside, and the
crat goes out, and I just have my son in
my arms and we go out the door and I
work up and yeah, that was insane. It weirded me out,

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but also was oddly very empowering because there was just
this inner knowing that that these things, you know, Bicky
Joey Henderson goes over a lot of it, these things
in the spirit, whether you're whether it's sent from the enemy,

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you know, like the devil, darkness, or witches or any
kind of practitioner or people that that know and utilize
these areas. These are We're very susceptible when we're sleep.
The Bible speaks of it very often, people asking for
your protection while they're sleeping. And that is not because

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of animals they're going to come to eat them. It's
because when we're a sleep we are vulnerable, you know, uh,
sleep paralysis. I know all of the medical terminology and
the reasoning why that there is so much to this
that is by far more than just the biological state
that happens in the mind and with the body to

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paralyze it so that it doesn't get up and move around.
In my own research with like I said, with the
uf UFO of deputies in my lab people the same
kind of scenario is happening to them, but it's aliens
that they see for me, I see like paranormal, demonic

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looking stuff. And it's been the same experience with my
all three of my kids when when they have had
these things. And and I do believe some people are
more susceptible, you know. I've done some studies with looking
into a lot of like Gary Wayne's work and at Springmere,

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and you know they understand like the bloodline stuff and
people with gifts. But either way, you amplify these things
when you have gates. You know, I I was a
former alcoholic. I closed some gates with that. But the
bloodline stuff involves contracts that can be made even in

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our dreams, and uh you know, like I did with
the Orion thing, any kind of uh CE five psionic
type stuff and open gates for hitchhikers. And I had
no idea that I was my bloodline was already prone
to this familiar spirit which is how it's called hit
is called hitchhiker effect in you know, in the paranormal

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of like ghosts and with upology bionics, but for the
most part, in the bloodline stuff, it's called familiar spirits.
And even in in the occult and New Age they'll
call it that. But I got his see what uh
I do warrant against you know, I want people to

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look at look up some of these, you know, Gary, Wayne,
Michael as Heiser, Picky, Joey Anderson, but uh, Vicky has
particularly wanted me to share seeing the the lust one
of the lust and masturbation things. So I have been uh,
I'm not I'm not the first person that this has

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happened to a lot of people who have had, you know,
Betsy dreams. And I've had horrifying ones and ones that
I thought were great, and I would also have these.
The closer I got to the Lord, I started experiencing
a reminder of ones I used to get as a

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child where and I won't be super graphic, but where
it would be as if one is touching themselves. And uh,
there was an instance that happened in uh, an attack
of that nature about six six months ago, and as

(34:12):
soon as in the in in that realm, I'm because
it's vivid, it's lucid. There were I noticed the glitches,
but for whatever reason, I wasn't stopping what I was doing.
And ah then there was just like this this uh
overwhelming sense of what am I doing? And I stopped

(34:36):
what I was doing and really took in the glitches
I was seeing. I'm like, where am I? What is this? Why? Why?
And then as soon as I was in my mind,
I was thinking, why do they want me to do this?
And by day I mean whatever attacks me and you know,
comes for me in these this realm. I see in

(34:58):
my peripheral to the left a shadow and then I look,
I turn my whole head. I turn and there is
this little like he's kind of black. He's not really scaly,
but sort of and he's like he's like squatting down
but on his feet. You know, so if you were

(35:19):
to go from standing to down to where not your
butt's on the ground, but just your feet. He's squatting
like that. He has both his he's holding his hands
and they're kind of ringing, you know how you like
wring your hands. He's doing that and like hopping, bouncing
up and down. He's and he's going, come amuck, come up,
come on, give it to me, give it to me.
Come clak clan. And I look over and I was

(35:43):
like what And I was like, no, you're not gonna
have it. And I woke up. But right before I
woke up, I have this knowing that that is what
waits to collect your your energy, your sacrifice, which is
which in the spiritual, spiritual component is what you know

(36:06):
self pleasure is that's what's waiting for you. And if
people could see, I wish I was a better artist,
because I would draw it. If you could see what
is waiting to take that from you, you wouldn't whatever,
You wouldn't want to give it to them either. I mean,
it was just the creepiest, weirdest thing I've ever seen.
But I mean I've seen I've seen some wild stuff,

(36:28):
and but these are these are just some of them.
I've also had some really wild I also have hate
saying like, oh, I'm a prophetic dreamer, but that happens
sometimes to me. That's happened quite a lot throughout my life.
A wild one that happened last year before. Let's see

(36:50):
which date was it? Looking through one of mys a
dream journal, here.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
It was.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
It was in October. In October, Yeah, I had a dream.
Some of the context is not It was really just
for me. But there was a dream that I had
where I saw all of these like everyone was looking

(37:21):
up into the skies and I saw all these planes
falling out of the sky flying upside down like regular planes.
And then some planes and helicopters like with their like
just their wings and stuff just like falling off and
they're just all crashing. And of course that's something that
we we've been seeing lately. Although I did find out

(37:43):
that in the UFO adductee community is very common to have.
There's quite a number of people that I've befriended that
they've also had the planes falling from the sky. And
then shortly after that I'd had another one where uh
because a lot of these people, a lot of these
these things in the spirit will they like to like

(38:07):
I'd mentioned a few times, they create they want you
to make a covenant or a deal or a contract.
They're very legalistic and this can be which is you know,
which is Vicky Durmerson talks about that. I've experienced that
a number of people. But that'll actually be which is
traveling through the asholt trying to see if they can,

(38:27):
you know, get you into a deal. There's also uh
them monic spirits that will do that. A lot of
familiar spirits will do that. That that means those are
spirits that have been in your family line that have
been uh with a contract has been made either in
the waking or in the sleep, knowingly or unknowingly, which
is frustrating, I know, because you don't even know if

(38:49):
this is Sometimes we don't remember our dreams, right, so
maybe you don't know if you did something. A good
A good tip is I always call it the Awls
in Wonderland tip, and that is, don't eat anything your
best ability, don't drink anything, don't take any gifts. I've
had everything from people trying to give me cats, like

(39:10):
trying to get me like here take my cat, or
here don't you want this drink? And you know, I'm
not gonna say it hasn't happened where I've I've invested
whatever it is or taken whatever by surprise. But a
good a good hip for people when you wake up,

(39:32):
I would advise, and I do advise because the only
thing that's given me any kind of control or power
and peace in this because I can't stop it from happening,
it happens when it happens, is knowing that the Lord
has given us the power to tread on scorpions and snakes,
and like Ephesians six twelve talks about we that'll not

(39:54):
against flesh and blood, but principalities, spiritual wickedness in high places.
And you know, I'm not the only person who sees
the world the way it is being quite off, very
evil in some aspects, and things manifesting to where we

(40:14):
have people doing and acting in ways that almost seem
like they're possessed. That's because we live in a spiritual world.
Or what was I saying? Sorry? Oh, but as far
as like the when you wake up from in the morning,
there are there are some tips I might give when
you go to sleep and when you wake up. Some

(40:36):
people you might be too tired, or like that nap day,
I didn't pray before I went and took a nap.
But it's a good, good habit to get in even
if you are not a follower price I do recommend
just looking these up on your phone, these Bible verses.
I won't read them here unless you want me to.
But so almost twenty seven really was very powerful for anybody.

(41:00):
For me of it touched me and gave me a
sense of calm when it came to this whole realm
that I've had these attacks, and you know, in the
spirit realm. Psalm twenty seven is really great, and then
Psalm ninety one is a very powerful prayer. My friend

(41:21):
who was on your show, Mario, he and I both
really like that one. That one is a protection prayer.
And also, of course Ephesians six versus ten through twenty
I recommend. And then Isaiah fifty four seventeen is super powerful,

(41:41):
and that is I will read that it's short, but
that one is no weapon formed against you shall prosper,
and every tongue which rises against you in judgment you
shall condemn. This is the heritage of my servants of
the Lord, and the righteousness from me. So because for
me it's very personal when these attacks are happening, I
do see a pattern and people that have these intents

(42:04):
continued experiences. Vicky Jory Anderson always kind of coins it
as us not being We're not this is this isn't
happening to us. This is happening for us because we
are Actually I look at this as spiritual training, like
spiritual warfare training. This is an experience that I have
that's part of my reality in my life that not

(42:26):
everybody has, but it is very real. And if they're
if this is something that I'm experiencing, and I know
others are, but they don't. They don't know what's happening
to them. I want them it might be, you know,
not all up to me. But I feel very guided
to help teach people how to take the offense in

(42:51):
these situations, to help them understand what is actually happening
and maybe even perhaps why. I've gotten to know a
number of people that I've gotten to know them enough
to where we can, you know, divulge personal information or
they'll they'll be comfortable enough to talk to me about
like their family, their bloodline, things like that, and you know, things,

(43:14):
so we can find connections as to where perhaps a
familial spirit h stronghold was put in, and you know,
we can work against that at least, just kind of
finding out what's after you, what, why why are you
being attacked? I mentioned earlier having gates open with substance use.
That's that's really a good gateway. And then of course

(43:39):
I wasn't an alcoholic when I was a little girl,
but I was able to discover what those familiar spirits,
what those strongholds and principalities that were after my bloodline,
what why they were attacking me even as a child.
And you know, it sounds like I'm talking a bunch
of wild stuff. This is wild stuff, but it's very real.

(44:02):
And you know, I understand the science of our brain
processing our day, but none of this kind of stuff
that I just even just even just the small bit
that I told you about, is stuff that happens during
anybody's normal day. So and people will say, oh, people
have a wonderful imagination, and I do have a good imagination.

(44:23):
But these are things, especially, you know, I wouldn't I
wouldn't put I wouldn't even put my worst enemy through
these these kinds of things, because it is, it is
so it's so wild to have something where you're just sleeping.
All you did was want to get you All you
did was go to sleep. You fell asleep, wanted to
or fell asleep, and you are in a in a

(44:47):
whole other experience of reality, you know. And and it's
been comforting to find other people who are experienced experiencing
the same thing, have experiences same thing, going through the
same thing. It's been you know, slightly validating or if anything,
just comforting too. No, you're not the only person having

(45:08):
all the you know, getting attacked in when all you're
trying to do is sleep. But there are ways to
there are ways to fight back. And if this is
happening to you and you're not quite sure of what
to do, one thing for sure, I recommend. Maybe you're
not into prayer, but if you wake up every morning,

(45:30):
if you wake up when we wake up in the morning,
if you wake up, there's a reason you're alive. There's
a reason you're awake. Some people didn't wake up. You
woke up. You wake up. Remember the dream, you don't
remember the dream. You can actually pray and pray. You
can just say, Lord, have my father, I pray that
you will if I that you will break and cancel

(45:53):
any contract, covenant, or feel or promise I may have
made knowingly or unknowingly in the dream. Realm, amen. I
know it's not silly, but if you really, you know,
if this is happening to you, it's very powerful. And
a lot of those experiences of this phenomenon that I

(46:16):
have come to know, the only ones that are really
having relief are the ones that have gone to Christ.
I'm not pretreating a religion. I don't practice a religion.
I guess I will follower of Jesus and the Bible.
I really do believe that this is it is an
insanely spiritual thing and it needs to be battled with

(46:40):
spiritual means. It needs to be you know, this spiritual war.
You know that I'm being forged in. I know who knows.
I mean, if I could just help one person, like
I said earlier, if I could help a person who
was me just five years ago, and be like, hey, uh,

(47:01):
you know who knows? Even just even if I never
meet the one person that I'm able to help, That's
why many because even if just a little bit puts
them in a direction of having some kind of maybe
it doesn't go away, but just some kind of offense,
you know, instead of defensively being like Jesus helped me,

(47:22):
which has worked for me and a couple of times didn't.
But knowing that they're after me for a reason, there's
something about me that they they want and I've come
to know that it's and I don't mean this in
any egotistical fashion, because I'm not excited about having a
target on my head, but they want. They want me

(47:46):
because if they could take me down, then I uh
that if they if they if they take me down
and bring them up, you know, go back to being
in witchcraft and all that stuff, then then they don't
have to worry about me if they've got me. But
now that I've gone to christ, they they're like, oh no,
you know, this is like a formidable foe. Now she's

(48:08):
been trained up with this stuff. And I really feel
that that's something. You know, I have a much longer
story that Pepper's in with all these things and dreams
up the wazoo, But I really believe that this is something.
I know people are experiencing this, and I've actually come
to see that more of it's intensivefying, and a lot

(48:28):
of my UFO experiencers are now having a view of
what's happening as very spiritual in itself. I've had I
go on spaces a lot. It's the same name that
I have here on X, and I've gotten to know

(48:48):
a number of really great people over there who have
experienced both the same things that I experienced and also
consider themselves more UFO A deuctees. But we're dealing with
these insanely narcissistic energies, right, these spirits. Whatever they're looking there,
whatever they're branding themselves. You know, over here they look
like this, like I said earlier, and over here they

(49:09):
look like this. It's it's really the same thing, and
it's very spiritual and dark and very self serving, you know.
And and even on both sides, I've noticed people who
on the UFO side, once they realized that for themselves,

(49:31):
they've realized that this that even when they were nice
to them, these these entities that are attacking them, and
entities like I had, where they're being nice, they're actually
just doing whatever to get what they want, whether they
forcefully take it from me or they coherse me to
get into agreement. Either way, it's it's serving only to them,
and they don't like it when you fight back. I've

(49:54):
physically like bought things like I go on. I have
these some of these dreams that I just call them
little missions because I fight stuff. It's wild battle things
that look crazy. And then I also just sometimes they

(50:15):
look like people, but they're not people. They have these
big black eyes, and there's a way to you know, this,
this whole realm is happening, you know, it happens every
time we sleep. I brought up that occipital lobe for
a reason, because what I came to understand had happened

(50:35):
to me during that Orion experience meditation, I ended up
having another dream that just brought clarity to it. And
in the dream I literally heard occipital lobe, occipital lobe
like occipit three times. And so the next morning I
was writing my dreams down and I was like, apparently
I need to look up occipital lobe. And that was
where I had gathered at knowledge of like the delta waves,

(50:58):
and that that's where our brain processes the dream realm
and sleep, and and those who have vivid, astral and
lucid dreaming that and consciousness while they're like, I'm fully
conscious when I'm sleeping, it's in the dreams. I'm fully aware.

(51:21):
But that's where it all occurs in the brain is
the occipital, you know. And I feel like that has
been knowledge that the Lord, the host spirit has given
me to help me understand what's going on. I definitely
don't claim to have all the answers, and I'm definitely
still learning, but you know, this this is a like

(51:44):
I met my friend who was on here, I met
him over on X and you know, I'm not sure
what what your two cents are when it comes to
this phenomenon, But it's I mean, it's as real as
as me sitting here talking to you. That's that's the
intensity of some of these experiences. And the palpability, like

(52:10):
the palpable sense, and I mean it's literally palpa when
the experience itself and to to throw it for people,
to throw it away with just it being just a dream.
You know, a lot of people grew up hearing that,
oh it's just a dream. It's okay. I don't tell
my kids that I never have because of my own experiences,

(52:35):
but yeah, it's there's something happening there, and uh, you know,
it's it is eerily similar. When I've, like I said,
I've gotten to know a lot of the UFO community,
and I've got teased very very similar experiences. They just
appear differently. And I'm obviously very long winded.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
I was going to ask, how often do you have
these dreams?

Speaker 2 (53:06):
They have they I have very vivid dreams, usually every night.
I have actually been experiencing a lot of spiritual warfare
for those of you, those who know, they know. But
it is the effects of the unseen realm. I have

(53:28):
I kind of put a target on myself. I went
over and and got got some pulled up my bootstraps
and thought, oh, I can do this, And so I
went over on X and and uh, you know, had
talked in a bunch of spaces over there and got
kind of like spiritually attacked by people who were curious

(53:51):
of And I know this sounds weird like to say this,
this is spiritually attacked, but it's real. I mean, just
the fact that I had shared information. I'm not afraid
of it. It's not fun, it's not comfortable, but these
kinds of dreams will intensify. Recently, I've been having where
I I'm not remembering the dreams, and that's usually a

(54:14):
sign for me, at least throughout my adult life, that's
the sign that what I have language for now, it's
a sign of ah interception. There's something that it's either
the Lord is uh either not wanting you know, doesn't
want me to remember, or he's given me the information

(54:37):
I need or healing, or it's it's someone not wanting
to you know, someone has come in and tried to
do something to stop the dream, you know, whether they've
tried witchcraft or they've tried some sort of other thing.
I'm not saying that I believe in it, that I

(54:59):
am some sort of my lapsed person or although some
of my experiences from UFO people have said, wow, that's
exactly the same thing. Maybe they're just showing them, you know.
Like I said before, but I my vivid dream I
have vivid dreams every night. And there is something very
true to the people have heard about the witching hour, right,
it's called that. It's been called that forever, and that

(55:21):
time frame is technically from twelve midnight to five am,
a very prominent time frame between two thirty and three thirty.
That's typically, you know, when I'm having a set of
by setup, I mean days on days in a row

(55:43):
of super intense dreams, especially ones that have like these
mission experiences, like with the portal stuff and with where
I'm fighting things. I haven't had any of the like
the grating and you know, the incubus suckupist experiences. I

(56:04):
haven't been having those for a while, which is great,
to be honest, because I've seen what those things look like.
But I do I have these? Uh, I guess I
shouldn't say I don't have them. Anymore because I do,
but I'm I'm I'm much more offensive in this situation.
And because I'm not coming I as soon as I know,

(56:26):
I already know for me that I'm gonna have a
lucid to the dream. It's going to be that way,
short or long. However, the duration of the dream is
not the point. The point that I made sure to
make is that I don't have fear. And now that
I've toned that, you know, there's uh. I always jo

(56:50):
I joke that they're they're more like little snake oil men,
you know, snake oil salesmen. They just want to try
to get me to make any kind of little deal,
whether they show up as Uh Thenald Trump, or or
like weird things like ladies throwing coins at me. All
of these things are symbolic, and I don't recommend jumping

(57:12):
into dream interpretation books. Try to understand. Usually if you
write the dream down, just a little tip, write the
dream down. Sometimes you'll get more out of writing it
down than you do trying to figure out why some
color was in your dream, or why these ladies were
throwing coins at you, or you know, why Donald Trump
really wanted you to come watch his son get his haircut.

(57:35):
That happened to me. I was well and I was
just like, yeah, whatever, okay, go get your song's haircut.
I'm not talking down or up, but it was just
the randomness. But having I think, I think the try
not to have fear, because like I do not I'm
not a fan of the unbelievable horror of uh. And

(58:00):
not to be tmi, but in real life I have
had a I was graped, and you know, nobody wants
to repeat that. So if if so far, I have
a knowing through the Holy Spirit that that as long
as I know that the spirit of fear comes from

(58:20):
the enemy, it comes from the devil. He is the
author of confusion and fear and lies. So any of
that I don't even have to have, because like the
Bible says, the Lord gives us the spirit of peace
and of a sound mind and seems only to prosper you.
So when I lean in on that and know that

(58:41):
that that anxiety, uh, I don't. I don't have to
have that. And on top of it, to be honest,
I kind of enjoy the fact that it pisses them
off that I don't give them the fear. Maybe it's
just like the stubborn of suborn nature in myself, a
resilient nature in myself from probably trauma. But you know,

(59:02):
I don't like giving it to him. I don't want
to give that little creep, you know, his asturbation energy.
I don't want to give it to him like through
that guy. And so I over answered that question. I apologize.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
I was going to ask, so you've been experiencing this
for a very long time. Yeah, you're obviously married, you
have children. M does this have any sort of impact
on that, like your family life or have you been

(59:41):
able to because I know, like sometimes when I talk
with people, and I've been guilty of this myself. Not
everyone that doesn't experience it is able to understand what
the other person's going through.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Oh, yes, I know what you're what you're talking about.
With my my kids, I have when older boys, they're
young adults now and my youngest is almost eleven. But
it my it's been they've they've all experienced it. My

(01:00:17):
youngest it's it's a little more difficult because of conveying uh,
because of the being on the spectrum. It also makes
him slightly more of a target. From what my research
has shown that I've really looked into and and and

(01:00:38):
the whole shared dream thing. But the impact with my
older boys, and you know, obviously with my youngest and
I'll share the details of things, but I I use
my discernment and you know, mother's intuition to be able
to talk to him and understand and and I pray

(01:01:01):
over him. I pray for all my children protection, you know,
in their sleep and their dreams and then they're waking.
The only hard part was, yes, it was very hard
to talk to my husband about it for some time.
And uh, you know, I think the only other person

(01:01:22):
I had told, uh, you know, in at least in
the adult portions of dream dreaming, my dad did tell
me that he had experienced that growing up, ah so
and and that that of course ties into the familial
line things that I was telling you about. But with
with my husband, you know, my brother was the only

(01:01:44):
other person as far as the adult stuff. And then
the first but the first time my my now husband
had experienced it was that I call it the Mark
Wall dark nightmare. Was that and you know he so
he physically and uh, you know a couple of times
as a teenager, my parents had come in and like

(01:02:04):
had to wake me up. Some of those dreams had
been blocked out for I'm not quite sure why, but
but you know they would wake me up because I
would be making noises or one time I believe I
was crying, you know, kind of like make crying already
but still asleep, and then woke up and was crying.
But when that first one happened, I remember telling my husband,

(01:02:29):
you know, the first one with him, when that happened,
I remember telling him like what I saw, and you know,
his first response is very common, which is just it's okay,
it's just a dream. And you know, he was trying
to comfort me, and but I didn't have the language,
and yes I was. I was afraid to say, hey,
guess what, you're about to marry a lady who this
happens to all the time, you know, because of the
ten because because yes, there are there for the most

(01:02:52):
part people, I think it people will experience this much
more than they're willing to admit because they don't want
to be labeled as crazy or oh you're making a
whole lot bad and nothing, or it's just a bad dream.
You know, there's a lot of these these labeled this
labeled it. I mean, you get labeled, you get you
get pigeonholed, you get uh you're making some big thing

(01:03:14):
out of nothing, but uh, it is something. I mean.
The the thing that that my my uh husband realized
was was the reaction of like especially that one where
you know that Mark warble Wilburg won and then the
one where I had pulled all the stuff out of

(01:03:35):
me and he just saw my face like his exact
words was like, oh my gosh, like are you okay?
Like you look like you're in shock, and and I
was like I ended up sitting in the chair like
not moving quiet. And that was the first time that
my husband really I I less his heart, but I

(01:04:00):
really felt that it registered that like something happens when that,
when that happens to me. You know, even though he
remembered the He's remembered there's been times where I'd made
noises and he had to wake me up, or I'd
like whimpering and and and and whatnot, or crying like
in that other one. And but he said that that
was the first time, and that was you know, a

(01:04:21):
couple about a little over a year ago, almost two
years ago that he really grasped the fact that nobody
reacts like that if they don't see something, you know,
kind of like was his name, Heinek, the guy who
went out and interviewed people who had had abduct the
productions and UFO sightings. You know, there it was there,

(01:04:42):
their testimony, their delivery of it. That was he was
able to and he was able to weed out the
ones that seemed like they were just trying to hop
on and hop along the wagon, you know, like get
along and and be a part of something or be
special and they were lying. You know, he could you
could tell the difference between when someone is telling you
a terrifying you know, an experience that they ah and

(01:05:05):
and when they're not. And that was the first time
that my husband was really like, Okay, something is something
is happening, and you know, and I uh it it's hard,
and I know it's it's it's it's hard enough to
go through it, but it is hard to be someone
who isn't an experiencer or having any of this kind

(01:05:27):
of stuff two to be even even sympathetic. I mean,
you can see the fear. But yeah, that was the
first time that he really was like, whoa you know,
you know, because I was, I was now here. I am.
I'm sober for you know, over three years, and you know,

(01:05:50):
I'm not into the witch Cross stuff anymore, and so
I'm I'm essentially of more sound mind than before. And
to see him his his reaction of my reaction in
its own way. I hate to say this sounds maybe
it sounds sad, but it was very It was It
was like the first time feeling a little validated about it.

(01:06:13):
Not that I was never comforted, and he knows this.
He knows this, not that I was never comforted, but yeah,
I know what it's like to have someone who who
just doesn't know because they just don't know, not understand
and be really close to you. Now he's he's much
more supportive about it, you know, he knows. Uh Okay,

(01:06:33):
occasionally I'll I'll tell him, you know, like a a
really a mission dream or I remember him being super
tripped out about the planes, remembering the plane dream and
then and and also the one that had the the
giant balls in the sky with these things that look
like giant mosquitos, which was very strange because it was

(01:06:55):
very eerie to the orbs and the Jersey throne stuff.
I turned out. I'm not the only other person that
has has had had those little kind of foresights or whatever.
But you know, he occasionally he'll get blown away with
some of those kind of pseudo premonition ones and and uh, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
I think for a lot of people, it's the struggle
of accepting the I don't want to say unbelievable, but
that's kind of what it sounds like to some people. Is, Yeah,
when you hear these types of stories, and you hear
these types of events that happen with people, it's hard
for others to understand it because they've never experienced it,

(01:07:43):
and without experiencing anything like that, I don't think they're
capable of really comprehending that sort of reality.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
And I think that and that's and that is totally understandable,
you know. And I know about that hurdle personally, and
I know that I'm not alone with that hurdle, and
but ultimately I just take that and I have grace
with it, right Like, I understand that there's gonna be
people that aren't going to understand. And this isn't something

(01:08:15):
I just go up to random people and talk about.
You know, I don't hide it, but I don't, you know,
I pick and choose the scenarios in which which I'm
gonna di bulge information, But ultimately I just have grace
for that because I understand, you know, just like I
wouldn't understand. I don't understand what it's like to not

(01:08:37):
dream like this, right, I don't understand. I've never experienced that,
so and you know, I don't consider myself like some
some special person or or some freaking nature, which was
what I thought I was previously. But I think ultimately

(01:08:58):
for those who don't, I haven't experienced it. I think
I think it's kind of a worldwide thing. No matter
the topic, we need to just have grace for each other.
We need to have grace and understand we may be
on opposing sides of whatever it is, and we need
to have If we had grace for each other, we
would have kindness, you know, we'd have We'd have much

(01:09:19):
more kindness than niceties, because I think kindness is much
more mindful. It's kind of like the difference between happy
and joy, where happy is the dopamine feeling and joy
is where you build oxytocin, and grace is kind of
the beautiful intercessor for all of those things, and if

(01:09:40):
we're able to have grace that allows us to meet
people where they're at, understand that we perhaps don't. You know,
we don't, you're not we're not experiencing the same thing,
but it doesn't Just because we're not experiencing the same
thing doesn't mean that it's not happening. And very much

(01:10:02):
I bring up the even paranormal itself, you know, which
could be everything from ghosts to cryptids, to my experiences
to UFO experiences, all of these things. For a lot
of people who've never experienced stuff, they want to see
the proof, you know, because they're not they haven't experienced it.
And it's hard because a lot of these things are

(01:10:26):
very spiritual and they're very consciously aware of you being
conscious of them. You know, I have I don't know
how much time you have, but you know, I've had
my own experiences where as soon as I'm about to
take and only one time was it even witnessed with me.
As soon as I'm about to take a picture of
this weird egg thing that's up in the sky. This
was in twenty twenty two, while we're driving on the freeway,

(01:10:49):
my mother in law and I as soon as I'm
thinking in my mind, my hand is in the front
pocket of my hoodie to pull out my phone to
take a picture. It's gone and it's I mean, it
was flying like above us and I saw. I ended
up seeing that two more times. Oddly enough, it was
out where I was doing my outpatient recovery. Whatever it

(01:11:10):
was was trying to come check me out, and I
was only able to capture one photograph of it. Uh,
the video thing didn't turn out. You couldn't tell what
it was. But it wasn't a drone. It was a
weird egg thing. And you know, my husband and my
mother in law are corroborators of that, you know, and
like I said, that's a similar thing. All they can

(01:11:30):
do is corroborate and say that they were there. But
I'm always drawn back to for those who don't have
experienced and they're having a hard time swallowing whatever the
pill it is that they're faced with. Just whether you
believe in UFOs or not, go and research doctor Heinech,
Go research him. The only reason why I say that
is because here was a guy who was not a believer,

(01:11:52):
and this is yes, it UFO. But he was not
a believer, but he was a man of science, so
he was ready to test the data, right and the
data in this in this scenario was to go and
talk to these witnesses and experiencers, and his completely scientific,

(01:12:15):
very black and you know, black and white data approach
was able to kind of give give a lot of
weight and and proof to experiencers who didn't have the
quote photograph or couldn't you know, I mean, shoot, if
you could, I'm sure someone somewhere uh has the technology

(01:12:39):
to to pull out the dreams and let you guys
watch what I'm seeing, you know, experience what I'm experiencing.
Somewhere who knows, But you know, he was able to
come out and and really give a voice to people
who were telling they were telling what they saw, they
were telling what they experienced. And so if it, like

(01:13:03):
I said, if if anything, you know, I absolutely understand.
But if we if we can at least just have
grace with each other and in in all walks of life,
we we might get closer to the ability to even
be you know, apathetic, sympathetic, or even just uh say, okay,

(01:13:24):
you know that that happened to that person. But Heinich
would be I don't know, I'm feeling guided to talk
about that. Like, I think he would be a great
person to go uh and just research just you know,
topic aside. It's not the same topic I'm talking about,
but you know, he was able to to to get
a good feel of these some happen to these people,

(01:13:48):
you know, whatever their stories were, they're the ones that
he quote unquote believed. He went at it in as
a man of science, and he've his conclusion was that
something happened to this person. This is what they saw.
I mean, I hope that answered your question.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
We're all good. Is there anything else you would like
to discuss before we wrap this up? We've been going
on for a little over an hour now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Oh well, I just I think that's about I mean,
I know that this is a topic that like we
we've kind of gone over it. But if there's anybody
out there that's going through it, or you know someone
that's going through there, as expressed that they have and

(01:14:41):
and there was as outlandish and wild as it sounds,
and as we've been kind of I don't know if
it's programmed, but you know, naturally we don't experience it.
We don't. We don't see it where we are less
likely to believe it at least just to try to

(01:15:02):
have grace because if you're a parent, or or or
you you've ever seen a little child be terrified of
a nightmare, the word the worst thing you could do
is you know, and God forbid this ever happens. But
is you know, tell the kid to shut up, and

(01:15:23):
you know, don't don't you know, shut up and go
to bed, you know, if they're terrified. And but the
first inkling in most people is naturally to console, to
be their emotionally supportive right of of the child. Who's
who's terrified. And this happened this I guess news splash.
This happens to adults. And not everybody's comfortable with affection,

(01:15:47):
and not everybody wants to be coddled or or whatever.
It's not what I'm saying, but but have have some compassion,
have a little bit of grace because you I don't
know for me, you know, when I, like I said,
I didn't even want to tell my I was scared
to tell my husband like this stuff happens to me

(01:16:08):
because I was just going to be that that weirdo,
you know, and by the grace of God, it opened
up and he was able to to really, you know,
see that. And he was a you know, very much
a non believer, very much, you know, prove it to me,
even with all the stuff that's happening in the world today,

(01:16:30):
but have grace for for each other and and honestly,
how how how are we able to prove that we're
having this happen in the dream world? Like I said,
we can't play that dream out for you, But for
anyone who is experiencing it, I do advise to the
best of your ability. Maybe maybe you're not big into

(01:16:51):
writing on a journal, I do recommend that because science
has proven that that it's not only cathartic therapeutic, but
writing it down the pen paper is very good for
even because for me, I mean a lot of the
stuff was really traumatizing, and so for trauma and for
any healing therapy, they'll recommend, you know, journaling, So you know,

(01:17:12):
write it down if you can. If you can't, maybe
it's maybe you will. It's the middle of the night
that you don't want to forget the dream. Most people
have one of those voice recording apps on their phone.
Just do it real quickly, you know. I do that,
and and that's been helpful, and then later I I'll
go and write it in my journal. But I do
advise checking out Vickie Joy Anderston. She's a dear friend

(01:17:36):
of mine. You're experiencing the stuff. She is a lifetime experiencer,
and she is also a follower of Jesus. I know
a lot of people will you know, maybe they'll get
don't get deterred by that, because I promise you there's
a lot of wisdom involved that comes along with this.

(01:17:58):
And uh, with the knowledge that that I got from her,
and people are are You're welcome to come and d
m me over on X. It's Ms McGillicutty over on X.
If anyone has any questions and uh, maybe has any
questions or further wants maybe some information on stuff that

(01:18:18):
I had talked about, Uh, maybe point them in the
right direction or I'm not like some sort of agreem interpreter,
but you know, I do feel I do guided to
help people that are going through this, and especially as
a as a parent, you know, and knowing that I know, uh,

(01:18:39):
you know, we're we're coming up on all this the
C five psionic stuff people are they don't know that.
Maybe they're they're okay with doing it, but if they
have children, they these things will spiritually hit hike back.
And I'm not just talking about aliens, and I'm talking
about entities like like, yes, I'm talking about spirits, entities,
the stuff that comes through the unseen realm michaelass Seizer promises,

(01:19:03):
work will it's amazing. But yeah, I just uh, I
just want people to know that it's I know, it
maybe sounds awful that I say that it still happens
to me, but there is a way to get into
this offensively. There's a way to fight back. And I
don't just mean like the mission dreams where battle people

(01:19:26):
and make button stuff, and I sometimes I have bruises
when I wake up from those ones. That's wild too.
I always h I joke about it now because I
can with my husband. But you know, uh, gosh, I
got off topic. I'm sorry. But if anything, I just
want people to know there's ways to if you're experiencing it,

(01:19:52):
promise you that there are way if you reach out
to me or Vicky joy Anderson, there's ways to to
get some kind a relief. And understanding of what's going on.
And if you're someone who hasn't experienced it, you know
someone has, and you know, just have a little bit
of grace for each other and and even for experiences,

(01:20:14):
have grace with the people who don't understand, who don't
have them, aren't going through it, you know, because I
think everything in the woo woo paranormal realm, you know
a lot of people are seeking these experiences, and when
you don't have the experience, it can't it can't be
extremely hard to believe, you know. But but understand, h

(01:20:40):
the weird is out there. The it's there there. That's
why this podcast is here, right.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
I definitely appreciate you coming on here tonight and sharing
all that with us, and I hope everyone out there
listening takes away from what it is you're sharing and
actually thinks about it, because I know a lot of
people that listen, and this is where I struggle. I
do the show because I want to give people a
chance to speak and share it is what they experience,

(01:21:13):
and I have to accept that sometimes the show is
more entertainment for other people, and that's not why I
made the show. But for the last three years I've
had to accept that, you know what, I am in
the entertainment business. I'm giving something to people to listen to,
and it keeps them entertained. So that's a hard pill
that I've had to accept. But I hope anyone listening understands, like,

(01:21:37):
where we find it entertaining, it's not necessarily entertainment for
other people to go through it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Yeah, I hear you. I thank you for that. And
it's I get it right, Like I mean, shoot, I
kept quiet about it for a long time because I
didn't I figured I would be the freak show, right
and yeah, and you know what, like I, by the

(01:22:07):
grace of God, I don't let that. I just I
have an understanding that that that the entertainment quality will
be there, and that there are gonna be plenty of
people who are like this lady's full of she's full
of money, like I got it, and and I just
like that's why I mentioned trying to have grace, like
for if anything, it's not just about having a thick

(01:22:28):
skin like I look at I I just really try
to approach it as as having grace and and I
and I say, I shouldn't discount the fact that I
have some thick skin from this because you know, I've
gotten into some a number of like we're on X
bases of people who who really just want me to
be full of grab and and you know, I can

(01:22:52):
consider myself a well spoken person, and I can't say
that it doesn't hurt, but I'm able to, you know,
if someone if people are gonna want to live and
and they're they're gonna want to understand, and they they're going,
they're gonna, they're gonna they're gonna try to understand if
they don't and they just want to be you know,
maybe they're even the worst spectrum. They don't want to understand,

(01:23:13):
they don't care, they think everybody's lying and and blah
blah blah blah blah. And maybe they're even bitter because
it hasn't happened to them. You know, I've random some
people who are like mad that they haven't been abjected
by alien or I've never had to sucky this dream.
And it's like, I don't know why you would. I
wouldn't wish either of those things on somebody. But yeah,

(01:23:35):
I mean, I absolutely I respect and thank you so
much for for having allowing this. You know, they have
people to come on and tell their stories, and you
know it, whether people view it for entertainment or not,
I don't care. You know, if if if it gets

(01:23:58):
out there, like I said earlier on, it gets out there,
even to one person, and it helps them, and I
never meet them. You know, it helps them, it helps
their kids, it helps something, it helps them look into something.
I'm cool with that, you know, because I know I'm
not the only person this is happening too, and a

(01:24:18):
lot of people don't have the language for it because
it either is two woo woo too unheard of, or
in some cases, like you know, they they won't like
the fact that the truth is that it's very spiritual.
You know, they don't Maybe they don't want to touch that.

(01:24:40):
Maybe they're either super secular or whatever the case is.
They're they're uncomfortable. But the truth is, if you if
you were if you're sick, you know, if your child
was sick, you would go find out what's wrong and
you would go find a way to heal that. So
I don't know, I guess I'm still yes, I'll never
stop pitching the fact that this is spiritual and that

(01:25:03):
it exists. But but that there are ways to to
uh take take the reins in your hands. It doesn't
have to be as terrifying. You don't have to be
as fearful. There are ways to to alleviate and to strengthen. Ah.
What I believe is a gift. It's a gift to

(01:25:25):
see what we can't see when we're awake and we're
you know, masturbating, right. It's a way for us to
be uh, to see what's there when you get uh
creeped out in a place with your kid, and it's
because and you're creeped out because there's actually some creepy

(01:25:47):
amon dogs that are energetically following you, you know, like
I hadn't. That's that was unknowing that I got from that,
as well as the meditative session where I, you know,
stuff attached itself to me, and by by the grace

(01:26:07):
of God and my my determination to to not be fearful,
I was able to detach that and and I tell
you it did a lot a lot changed, you know,
just just the I didn't have any more of these,
although when the psionic stuff started up again in in
the news and all that, uh, I started getting these

(01:26:30):
these same kind of thing as the Orion. Just a
lot of like go look outside, go look outside. Because
I used to do channeling, So I have essentially a
gift that they want to me to utilize that I
I refuse to do any of that. I I already
know what comes with that. You know, I've personally experienced
what it's like to contact whatever that is, and me personally,

(01:26:54):
I advise against it. Uh, you know, do a little
more research for That's that's my opinion and stance on it.
And because of the whole hit tracker thing. But yeah,
people are gonna think what they're gonna think, you know, uh,
and and that's that's okay. I do wish they if

(01:27:14):
they're gonna be staunched. Like I said, just look at Heinech.
Just look at what you went through. You didn't believe
any of it, and maybe not completely even after. But
something happened to those people that he that he uh,
that he interviewed, you know, the ones that it was undeniable. Oh.

(01:27:35):
I don't care. If I'm here to just entertain people,
that's fine, that's fine. But I genuinely appreciate Brandon having
having me here and letting me tell some my my
wild reality I definitely.

Speaker 4 (01:27:50):
Appreciate having you on here tonight. If you'd like to
be a guest on Tenfoil Tels, remember to send an
email to Tenfoil Tales podcast at gmail dot com or
go to Tinfoil Tales dot com and go to the
contact section. Make sure to follow me around on all
the social media's and just remember truth comes at a cost.
Are you willing to pay the price?

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
I've heard a story be laid last night about something
alert along a wood line, huge foot prints, strange lights
in the sky. They claim it's nothing, but I know
they light it season or laughing to lap in my face.

(01:28:32):
But something about this makes me say, what if it's rick?

Speaker 4 (01:28:38):
What if they knew?

Speaker 5 (01:28:40):
What if The answers are coming from you, spending stores,
wasting mind time, hearing boy says, is it all in
their minds?

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
They can call me crazy, but I just want them
from what if it's true? What if it's writ What
if it's true? What it for worlds? Not what we knew?

Speaker 5 (01:29:06):
Tim for Tales blend me a story that starts where
the line is, what if it's reach?

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
What if it's true? The answers are.

Speaker 5 (01:29:19):
Waiting, They're waiting for you they see if the dog
man walking, or maybe am offman flies above the very
giants hidden beneath the lies.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
They say, it's just stories, it's all may believe.

Speaker 5 (01:29:35):
The fairy tale was for the things we can't perceive.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
They want to keep us blindly.

Speaker 5 (01:29:40):
They won't break our wheel. But I'm not buying it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
I'm not swowing another pill for spent poison. The lines
were made.

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
To what if the truth could set us free?

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
The alien sugnals traveling through time, secret space, protograms of race.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
In their minds.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
They call them crazy, but I just need some fruit.

Speaker 4 (01:30:05):
What if it's true?

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
What if it's real? What if it's true?

Speaker 5 (01:30:11):
What if the world's not what we do?

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
Tim Foil tells fullieve me in a story that starts
where the logics. What if it's real? What if it's true?
The answers are waiting, They're weighing for you.

Speaker 5 (01:30:31):
They they lie.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
We all to die. The signs are there if you
open your eyes. The aliens, crickedics, demon's ghost, the depl
them two. What if it's me or what if it
What if it's real? What if it's true?

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
What if the world's not what we do?

Speaker 5 (01:30:55):
Ten Foil tells, fulieve me a story.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
That startswear the logic, what.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
If it's reading?

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
What if that's true. The answers are waiting, they're waiting
for you. It's all in our heads, it's all in
our binders. These voices can be silence.

Speaker 4 (01:31:17):
The truth must rise.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
Temple tells, it's pulling me true. What if it's reading?

Speaker 5 (01:31:25):
What if it's true.

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