Ep. 212: Cattle Mutilations

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
And I just turned around and I call ass out
of there.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I was done.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
I wasn't deal with them.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
that turned me away the quickest.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
When I turned my head lights on, it turned and
looked at us.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
And one of the things I remember the most where
the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
It is just circling these steps.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Like it is waiting for me.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.
They're basically like, what are you talking about.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,
and that's where I saw.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes as
soon as I made eye contact.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Do this thing? It don't like death.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Welcome back to Tied Foil Tells tonight. I am joined
by my guest, Ian Ian. Thanks for coming out here
tonight and talk with me anytime. Would you like to
let the audience know a little bit about yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah, as you said, my name is Ian. I'm very
interested in paranormal topics, probably because I've had a lot
of weird things happen in my life. So I also
have a background in science, so I kind of apply
that methodology to understanding paranormal phenomenon And yeah, I have
a bachelor's and masters in science, but now pretty much

(01:39):
all that I think about is spooky. So glad to be.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Here, Definitely glad to have you. So your email that
you sit to me talked about cattle mutilations. Is this
something that you've always been interested in or is this
something you just kind of started looking into recently.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Well, it grabbed my attention just because you see it
on YouTube. You see it on like Skinwalker Ranch type shows.
Even Netflix had a series recently about it or a
show about it, and it seems to be this like
apparent phenomenon that's tangible and repeatable, so it's like a
really obvious mystery. So it really grabbed my attention, and
I was like, this is something I could potentially solve

(02:20):
because it's not as nebulous as like a typical like
a ghost or something like that, where you can't there's
no video. These are well documented, repeatable, global phenomena. So
I was like, eventually, I think I'm going to be
able to pick up on some patterns here, but it
took a while.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Well, if you want to dive into it, I will
turn it over to you and we can listen to
you about everything you've researched and what you've determined.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, so I would see these events and I didn't
really know what to make of them. So I'm also
really interested in archaeology. My background is like ecology, evolution,
and behavior, so I'm really into like wildlife and things
like that, but then also kind of combined with an
interest in like Stone Age hunting things like that up

(03:07):
through the Native American times, especially in North America. So
I'm fairly aware of what used to be here in
North America, which is huge, vast herds of bison. So
that's always kind of in the back of my mind,
but I hadn't really applied it to this phenomenon cattle
mutilations because it's not obviously connected. So over time, I'd

(03:27):
just be sitting there chatting with like Chad GPT and
I'd be like, well, is there any correlation between where
cattle mutilations and the bison used to exist? And immediately
it has must have access to like bison maps and things.
It's like, oh, we might have something here, And so
then I get into this prolonged discussion with chadgpt about, Okay,
how how well does this line up? And then I

(03:50):
kind of switch from that. I go over to GROCK
and I'm asking it, okay, let's map the cattle mutilations
relative to where the bison used to be. And then
I start lucking uckily. GROC will show you what it's doing,
so you can see what mutilation events it's pulling up,
what you know it's Sometimes it'll just build in data
that isn't actually based on anything, so you have to

(04:10):
catch it doing that. And you also have to exclude
the which I learned eventually, the cattle mutilations that don't
involve exanguination because these are not substantiated cases. So this
is something that a human could do, like some guy
in Southwest Washington gets his cowshot or something. This is
not going to be representative of the overall phenomenon of

(04:31):
cattle mutilations. So eventually I learned to filter out or
filter for exanguination. And then when you apply that filter
and you ask GROC to find the amount of overlap
between cattle mutilations and the historic bison range, it can't
find any that are outside of the bison range. And

(04:52):
I've I've drew a map on my kitchen island. I've
got this huge map and I put dots on it,
and I looked at it, and it's so precise. It'll
go up to the edge of where the bison used
to be and never cross. So the Stanford map I
use that in combination with a map put out by
a scientist named Sanderson in two thousand and eight. And
so there's data from the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties,

(05:16):
nineteen nineties, and that's great for establishing this, but some
of the newest data is some of the most striking
because it's an Oregon between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty four,
and the cattle mutilations all involve exsanguination. They're all east
of where the bison used to be, so they're all
in the eastern fifty percent of Oregon which used to

(05:37):
have bison because historically the bison didn't go past the
Cascade Range onto the west coast. So all of it
lines up with this pattern, even though there are cattle
raised across the entire state, and if you go one
state to the north into Washington, almost none of it
had bison historically, and there are no mutilations there, and
you can do this state by state. There's another case

(06:00):
down in Chihuahua, Mexico where this is about the southwest
extent of any known exanguination cases, and there's a dot
right there where the bison range bison range ends and
the exanguination occurred. Same in Ocalla, Florida, it's right there
in another edge case where the exhanguination event occurred and

(06:24):
the bison range ended. So it's it's over and over,
it's repeatable. It goes all the way up into into
Canada where you have zero mutilations in the provinces that
didn't historically have bison, so Manitoba, Quebec, Ontario, and probably
British Columbia, although there's there's some different kind of reports
on that. I'd want to research that more tons of

(06:46):
cattle in these areas, zero mutilations and also very little
bison territory, especially Ontario and Quebec. Manitoba had a bit,
but no mutilations there. In Saskatchewan about half of it
we think had bison, they have also had mutilations, and
every single one of those mutilations happened where bison territory

(07:07):
used to be, and you go another province over to Alberta,
which had the greatest number of bison historically in some
of the last remaining herds, it has the most cattle mutilations.
So I mean, the correlation is striking. Speculation is absolutely delicious,
and when you get a pattern like this, but I'm
not stuck on any particular explanation, but the pattern itself

(07:31):
is remarkable. So then I took that, I wrote an
essay up about it, and then I started looking globally
because mutilations have occurred globally, and you start seeing a
pattern emerge in Argentina and Brazil and the UK, excuse me,

(07:51):
and Australia as well as France. You've had mutilations. What
has happened in each of these places has been this
culture replacement of a hunter prey relationship that extended deep
into the past. So there was this tradition of hunter
and prey that was replaced by a domestic animal. When

(08:11):
that occurs, you can predict every single time that that
domesticated animal will experience some rate of mutilation. And it
seems to be dependent also on how rapidly that culture
is severed and replaced, because in the UK. It was
a slower process where the Gales and the Celtics were
displaced by the Anglo Saxons and the Normans, and they've

(08:34):
had fewer mutilations. It was like sheep, but not as many. However,
if it's rapid and extreme, you get way more like
the Guanaco that were wiped out or drastically reduced in
southern Argentina as recently as last year. Lots of cattle
mutilations in that area, because that's the species that was
brought in by the Spanish to replace the Guanaco. And

(08:57):
there's a lot more details involved here. There was an
outlier case in southern Brazil that I was having difficulty
fitting into this model of deep historic hunter prey relationship
gets severed, replaced by domesticated animal, domesticated animal gets mutilated,
because there was a human that was exsanguinated in nineteen
eighty eight and southern Brazil. So I started I was like, wonder,

(09:20):
how do I fit this into the theory? Well, I
end up learning that the two P people which is
spelled Tupi, were cannibals and they would hunt other tribes
of these of two P people, they would they would
hunt each other and bring them in as captives, then
eventually cannibalize them. When the Portuguese arrived, they ended up

(09:40):
getting cannibalized as well by these indigenous tribes. And so
perhaps to this phenomenon, the Portuguese people represented the domesticated livestock,
so that might be how this fits in, because they've
also had cattle and sheep mutilations in that same area.
So it's the fact that every time mutilations occur involving exanguination.

(10:04):
That's the key. You can't just look up mutilations in general.
It has to involve this bloodless aspect because that's so
it just cannot be done. It's the most impossible thing
about these although these events have this kind of overarching
impossibility about them, and I think that's that's worth actually
getting into a little bit more because the events themselves,

(10:28):
I think have been grossly misinterpreted. I think it's clearly
like an artistic display, it's meant to shock, it's meant
to be noticed, it's meant to be remembered, and that
explains the characteristics. So the exclusion of coyotes and bugs
and things like that, that's to make sure the artwork
if you want to call it, that is not disturbed.

(10:50):
That's to make sure that everything that's been done there
is not messed up. There's no gray areas about what's
going on here, how it's been produced is maintained for
the visual. Ranchers have reported feeling the need to go
out and see these exangminated cattle. They feel like strangely
compelled to go out and see them, and they can't
explain it. So it's it's literally pulling. Whatever's doing this

(11:13):
is pulling randers outside to find and then they have
lights actually guiding them in the sky. They are being
conjured somehow. Ranchers report seeing lights. These lights are basically
like lures saying here, this is this is why I
want you to come see this, and this is uh yeah,
so there. These are the patterns I've noticed. It's an
extremely kind of dark phenomenon. But the fact that it's

(11:35):
so predictable and tied to these historical events where a
hunter prey relationship is severed and replaced by domestic livestock
is fascinating to me. Because it's so predictable, there's some
situations where you might think, well, why didn't it happen
in maybe New Zealand where the Maori were displaced and colonized.

(11:58):
The one possibility there is that they didn't have a
set cultural animal that they were. They kept switching kind
of between praise species. That's one possibility, So it didn't
kind of have this ecological resonance over time. It's one explanation.
Who knows. I mean, the fact that this pattern is
largely consistent across the entire globe is I think striking

(12:20):
to me. And just the distribution of mutilations in North America,
how it follows the historic bison territory is remarkable, and
other theories just don't work for this. If you go
through the list of different theories like aliens et cetera,
I don't there's no reason why aliens would follow these

(12:40):
historic areas where hunting was occurring consistently for this long.
There's no motivation there. Why would they be following that?
Why wouldn't they go just elsewhere and do whatever? Not
to mention the fact that it's clearly performative, the way
the skin is removed from around the teeth creates this absolute,
just vile like facial expression on the victim, whether it's

(13:03):
human or a cattle or a horse in France, which
which occurs in France. Yeah, So these deeply historic relationships
between humans and their prey species, whether it's the Celtics
that are hunting the oric and the red deer, or
the Aborigines and the wallaby, the emu in the kangaroo,

(13:26):
whatever it is, If there's deep time associated with that
hunter prey relationship and it gets severed rapidly and replaced
by a domesticated species, that domesticated species gets targeted by
this mutilating phenomenon, whatever it might be, I lean toward
it being more of a spiritual than a corporeal entity,

(13:47):
just because the amount of perfection an undetected operation is
just inexplicable given something with human limitations. It couldn't it
could not be accomplish, not for sixty seventy years, and
however long this phenomenon has been operating, which might actually
extend deep into history as well. And that's so, that's

(14:11):
about as far as I've taken it. I keep researching
it and wondering about it's you know, where might we
predict that it would happen next? Where might we see
this actually in history books? Maybe with the Aztecs. If
they're doing sacrifices, maybe this is because they saw mutilated
animals and they thought, maybe this is a god telling

(14:33):
them to that this is what it wanted, and so
that was their reaction, even though it's not what the
god wanted. What the god wanted was nature to be
operating in the more natural hunter prey relationship thing, and
they were maybe causing too much ecological disruption. Who knows,
it's just I think I think this is about as
close as I've gotten to fully understanding it.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
The one thing that I always thought was interesting is
the noe blood. And I've seen skeptics say, well, the
kill site was somewhere else and they drained the blood
and this whatever, But that is the one thing that's
always stood out to me. Is like the surgical precision
of the dissection of the animal. Like of the cattle,

(15:16):
there's no blood, there's certain things cut completely like it's
too perfect in a sense that some farmer went out
there and did this, or some jokes or went out
there and did this. Someone had to do, you know,
like they had to do what they were doing to
try and come out and do this. It's just not
something that someone goes out there and does. Now, with

(15:38):
your research and from what you're talking about, what do
you where do you think all this stuff is goot? Like,
what is the purpose of this? Do you have any
idea like where the blood goes, what they're using it for,
what they're doing the mutilations for others. You said something
about artwork showing it off, But it also brings up
the question of who and what is actually doing this.

(16:04):
I know that's the question everyone wants to ask. They
think it's aliens. I think it's that in your opinion, Like,
what do you think all this is about?

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, if it's time to speculate, then I first I
leaned into the kind of the mother nature aspect, and
at first it's very normal to think, Okay, the blood
is being used for something, the organs are being used
for something. But I think it's much more of a
mirror to how it whatever it is, and I don't
think it's a corporeal and I think it's more in

(16:35):
the spiritual realm, and we can get into that. I
think it's more so mirroring how it sees us using
domesticated livestock, so we have this impersonal cold industrial relationship
with livestock, and then it mirrors that back to us
by exanguinating them, by perfectly carving them up with symmetrical

(16:57):
like eye sockets and disemboweling and leaving no trace. It's cold,
it's calculated, it's impersonal, and I think it's also trying
to convince us that this is not being done by
the fact that anybody even entertains the possibility that's been
done by people means I haven't seen these because ranchers
don't talk like that. Ranchers don't come away saying, you know,

(17:19):
who was in my field. They don't say that. Maybe
the FBI in nineteen seventy nine, you know, starts talking
about that kind of thing, but the FBI can't talk
about things in the spiritual realm having these effects that
they lose their jobs or it's just something that's not
a language they can use. So I'm really open to
anything that could behave perfectly. And I mean I have

(17:42):
a history of being a pretty much a strict materialist
into science. I was the kid in high school that's
arguing with everybody that there's no God. But as time
has gone on and I've accumulated experiences, I've had so
many weird things happen, ghosts and synchronicities and sleep paralysis,
et cetera, that there's just I don't think there's any
limit to what could possibly happen. One of my favorite

(18:04):
quotes about reality, it's not just stranger than we think
it is, it's stranger than we can think it is.
So I think it's important to remain open to any possibilities,
especially when the evidence repeats over and over and over
again with these impossible events, Like you said, the exanguination,
we're not finding drops of blood anywhere. They might try

(18:25):
to say in nineteen seventy nine in an Arkansas study
that the ground can absorb what eight to ten gallons
of blood. That's absurd, it's ridiculous. Any brancher knows what
a dead cow that's been in a field for a
while looks like, and they are shocked for a reason
when they find these exanguinated animals. It doesn't look like
an animal that has been naturally rotting in a field.

(18:48):
It's a completely different phenomenon. And to trust the ranchers
and their experience with these systems, they're the ones who know,
and they're also they're not motivated to make up a
story to protect There no pun intended to protect their hide.
So if I'm if I'm speculating wildly, I mean at
first I was almost I was like calling it the

(19:09):
phantom because like it's like a phantom presence that's doing this.
But I think it's it's like more of a message
from the great beyond the even like the realm of
the gods. It's a message of look what you've done
in nature. I'm going to show you how you treat
nature by treating your replacement species with absolute disrespect, because

(19:30):
they this entity feels disrespected. It feels that the land
has been totally like destroyed basically from what it was
supposed to how it was supposed to operate. And I
know it sounds ridiculous, that's it's.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Basically like we've tained it the land, we've brought it
in different species to replace the natural ones that were
there with invading species. Yes, I've talked to some people recently,
and anyone that listens to my show, they know what
I say when it comes to certain things. But I

(20:08):
think a lot of this phenomenon that happens is all
somehow connected. People see ghos, people see these cryptid creatures
they see aliens. Some people get spiritual on it and
call them religious icon like demons or something like that,
or I don't know what they are. I just feel
like almost everything that we encounter is probably connected somehow,

(20:33):
and I don't know how to determine where they're from
or what they are other than I just feel like
all this stuff is somehow connected.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Absolutely absolutely. I feel like one of the deepest insights
I've ever had in my life is the sense that
everything is connected and that there's a lot of agreement
with that and classic philosophies and other religions that there's
no the illusion of separation is just that there is
no separation. Oddly and maybe even striking to me, after

(21:05):
I fumbled upon this pattern of bison range and mutilations,
I started having synchronosities, Like every day I'd get these
really weird coincidences. The first was I pulled up like
I was getting close to a gas station to go
like get tea or something, and this van pulls in

(21:25):
front of me and the back of it says, you're
building the future. We're here to help. And I was like, Okay,
this seems like a message. But another day passes and
I and I don't know where any of these discoveries
are gonna go. And a van pulls up in front
of me. And because I'd been thinking I'm just gonna
I'm gonna quit. I'm not even gonna talk about this
stuff anymore, this van pulls up in front of me
and says, no excuses. I was like, jeez, Louise. And

(21:49):
then I finally post a little video on my YouTube channel.
And I go walking to the gas station again to
get tea and I hear a lady tell her friend
on the poor you figured it out, yay. But they're
just talking to each other. But I'm like, you're gonna
say that right when I walk past. After I I
might have just stumbled upon this pattern that might have

(22:10):
some explanatory powers. Is the synchronosity is sort of accumulating.
You just feel like something's going on. And I actually
wrote an essay before any of this happened. There's like
twenty five hundred words about all the synchronicities I've ever had,
and it's trying to explain them because I try to
pick them apart from both sides of just inevitability or

(22:31):
or some sort of actual communication from an intelligence, because
they always they seem like that, they seem like they're
a communication, and I think cattle mutilations are the sign
of an act of intelligence. I don't think I've thought
about the possibility that it's like a spasm of nature
and when nature's violated, it's kind of spasms in this way,

(22:51):
and it's involuntary, but the specificity and the perfection involved,
and like the bison range mapping, I mean that the
way it occur is deeply cautious, like it knows what
it's doing, whatever it is, and it doesn't make mistakes,
and then it makes sure what it's done is seen.

(23:11):
So I think there's evidence of consciousness behind it, but
I don't think it's corporeal or even alien.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
There is something that people have been experiencing. It was
one of the first episodes I had done. And it's
like a design like these red they've been called like
the red grid mark phenama, And people find these red
splotches or designs on their skin and they show up randomly.
They don't know where they come from. Then they go away.
But when people have them, sometimes they report seeing like

(23:40):
they're not seen, but having vivid dreams basically like really
lucid dreaming. They've had them on their heads, they've have
on their back, on the wrist, and the person that
I talked to about it, they seem like they're done intelligently,
Like it's like something that's trying to communicate once to know,

(24:01):
And when you're talking about the cattle mutilations, it reminds
me of that, like something's trying to communicate. I'm not
saying they're connected, but at the same time, I think
everything's connected one way or the other. So is this
something out there trying to show itself to us? People
talk like with the crop circles. Now, most people think

(24:22):
crop circles are made by humans. I think they mostly
probably are, But what about the ones that maybe aren't.
Is something trying to communicate?

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, I think it's totally possible. I had, actually, and
maybe just because I'm hyper aware of all these things,
I had actually a red dot had appeared on my
right knee that I'd never seen before until the past
week or so. So I've had the exact say, it's tiny,
but the fact that I noticed it means I'm like,
I don't think I would have gone without noticing it.

(24:55):
In the past since it's short season, but so I
have I've got a red dot, so I got the
same thing going on. And yeah, it's it's interesting when
when you think about these things as communications, because I
even puzzled over the fact that if it is trying
to tell us something, could it be like clearer, could

(25:17):
it be more obvious, like spell it out, like just
write it in words, or have somebody have a vision.
And then there's there's different kind of ways of thinking
around that, Why isn't it a more obvious communication from
this entity? And I don't know, It's almost like it
needs us to figure things out for ourselves so that
the solution is more meaningful and has more staying power.

(25:40):
And if it just tells us things, I mean people
probably just have mass hysteria like or they wouldn't even
be believed. So it has to lay clues and then
it gets figured out and then the impact could be
could be known as opposed to somebody who's like, well,
you know, the gods were talking to me last night,
and you know I couldn't start the podcast that way,

(26:03):
So yeah, it could be that that's how it goes.
But this is a mysterious realm just kind of like
the rest of reality. So it's unknown, but it does
seem to be a communication, and it's not a pleasant one.
It seems to be upset with something that's happened in
that space to upset the natural balance, and it's showing

(26:24):
a certain measure of wrath and perfection. I don't necessarily
think it's a specific like I don't I'm not gonna
say it's God or I'm not gonna say it's a
specific thing. I'd hesitate to put a label on it.
But I was just talking to a friend today and
the characteristics of cattle mutilations actually line up perfectly with Artemis,

(26:44):
the Greek god of the goddess of the hunt, the perfectionism,
the wrath, the interest in the hunt itself, so she
would have motive. Not saying that's where I'm leaning, I'm
really just having fun with speculation, but the fact that
it lines up so perfectly is interesting and interesting is
about as far as I can go with this, because
the patterns are there and I can substantiate those, and

(27:07):
then the speculation about what's doing it is I think
always going to elude me. But it's fun to think about.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
You'd mentioned like your interest in like paranormal and supernatural elements.
Is there something that's you've experienced prior to this? There's
a method to my madness. Usually people that go into
looking into things like this had some sort of event
that happened to them when they were.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Young, numerous stuff, And really it didn't really start cooking
until after my dad passed about twelve years ago. And
then after that it was sleep paralysis, which I wrote
an essay about. It was synchronicities that were hard to
shake off that they make you think that the way

(27:53):
reality operates is different than you ever thought before. So
I don't know if you want me going into anecdotes,
but I definitely could, Yeah, if you want to. Yeah,
I was, So I was. I went back to the zoo.
I live in Omaha, and the zoo here's great, and
I had a job there doing overnight tours. And I
I had a history of just quitting every job. I'd
start a job, I'd quit it because eventually I just

(28:14):
didn't want to be controlled by it, even if I
liked it. And I liked the overnight tour job at
the zoo was fun, and so I tried to go
get the job back and I was leaving the zoo
from trying to get the job back and I saw
a great Cavalier drive by on the left and I
was like, okay, interesting. And then a gray trash can
rolls into the street on the right and I had

(28:34):
to avoid it. I was like, weird, the gray cavalier
gets my attention. And then a great trash can rolls
in from the opposite side of the street, so I
was like, okay, well, maybe it's nothing. A few cars later,
another gray cavalier drives by on the left side of
the street, and for some reason, I just knew the
pattern wasn't done. So I went over. I visited my
mom's house and I told her I'm in the midst

(28:56):
of some sort of interesting pattern here, and if we go,
if we take the dogs for a walk, we will
see a great cavalier. And I guarantee you we'll see
great cavalier. It's going to happen. The first car we
see on the walk was a great Cavalier, and that
just then I had to kind of just shift my
whole idea, my paradigm about how I thought reality operated,

(29:18):
because that seemed so clear, and I knew that it
was coming like I knew, And there's so many there's
so many other things. The sleep paralysis events were notable.
They only happened really in this kind of tumultuous part
of my life, was partying, going crazy, doing all this stuff.

(29:38):
So again, the story involves my mom's house, which has
a history of kind of some a couple families where
it was kind of spooky. The first family, they were
Christian scientists that a kid pass away because they wouldn't
give him medicine and he was involved in like a fall,
et cetera. And then the second family, there's a psychologist

(29:59):
who would have his pay patients meet at the back
door and they take them to the basement for the
for whatever treatments they were having. And this house was
built in nineteen twenty eight, so the stage is set
for this house to have all sorts of activity, not
to mention the fact that my dad passed away here
with als in twenty thirteen. So anyway, the first time

(30:19):
I had sleep proalyssis in the basement. I was laying
on my back and I felt this weight crawl up
my feet and you know you're conscious, You think your
eyes are open. I think some studies have shown that
your eyes aren't actually open, but you definitely feel like
you're seeing the room and you can't move. And this
thing was crawling up my legs into eventually sitting on
my chest like the famous painting about sleep Prolyssi is

(30:42):
the name of it, and escapes me. Now, so I
get curious about these things. So I go back to
the basement and I lay down on my right side.
I was like, well'll see if this will happen if
I'm not laying on my back, because I think this
might be associated with that. This thing comes back, whatever
it is, crawls up my left side and his is
in my ear, and I just tried to maintain my composure.

(31:04):
I was like, not real, not real, not paying attention
to you, whatever, And so I thought. I left the
basement that day thinking I won. You know, this is,
I got it cooked. I mean, this is it's not
gonna mess with me. I'm too brave and I'm too cool.
So another time I'm upstairs at the same house and
I fall asleep on the couch on my I think

(31:25):
it was left side this time, maybe right side, but
it was on my side because it's a couch and
I wake up and frozen again, and there's a tornado
of black smoke by this grandfather clock by the front door.
Tornado of black smoke, and it sounds like a freight train,
and all I can do is shift my eyes and
look at it. I'm just like, what is this and

(31:48):
just terrified. And then in a flash, it's next to me,
and it sounds like the universe is like fragmenting. It's
the loudest thing I can imagine. And then you eventually
snap out of it, and I'm like, okay, how do
I like? The rest of the day just seems spooky.
But then I finally start getting my act together. I

(32:11):
stop partying this and that, and I have one final
sleep paralysis where I wake up I'm frozen, but there's
no terror, and this being that looks like it's made
of black and blue, dark kind of slightly shimmering pixels
walks by my bed and all I can do is
look at it, and this thing smiles at me. It

(32:31):
looks like a shadow of pixels, and then it's gone,
and I've never had sleep paralyssis again since then. So
those events, while they have some sort of like precedent
in the literature, psychological stuff. Some people wouldn't say that's
not paranormal. When you've had it happen, it doesn't seem
super normal. It's like the nexus, the combination, the overlap

(32:53):
between normal and like tangibly paranormal. So there was that.
I mean, the list is long of anecdotes. I heard
my dad's voice clearly in my left ear once when
I was in kind of this hypnogogic state of like
almost falling asleep. And then my mom came upstairs after

(33:14):
I'd heard him say get ready to talk, and then
she said, did you say something from downstairs? So she
had heard something. I don't know if I think she
said it sounded like me. I wasn't talking. I'd heard
my dad clear as day in my left ear, his
voice after he had passed away, say get ready to talk,
no doubt. And then tons of psychic stuff, like there

(33:36):
was a time in the same house, and I've had
things elsewhere, but this is the same house from nineteen
twenty eight. That's what it was made. I was in
the kitchen and I heard a woman laugh, and for
whatever reason, I really wanted to know, Okay, where did
that come from? I knew it wasn't my sister or
my mom. I was like, where was that? So I
was like, rewind the TV. Maybe it was Hillary Clinton,

(33:57):
maybe it was something. It was something on TV. Nope,
we played the TV. It wasn't that. And eventually my
sister comes in from outside, sits down, plays a snapchat
video on her phone and it's the same laugh that
I had heard in the kitchen. So all of these events,
the continued synchronicities, the things lining up. Just the other day,

(34:20):
Just the other day, I was at Walmart and I
was getting a white Monster, which are highly addictive. I
love them, but I gotta stop. I knew when I
put it on the conveyor belt at Walmart it was
going to fall over. There was no doubt in my mind.
It was guarantee, not because it was unstable. I just
knew it was going to fall over, so I set
it down. It's not, you know, unstable or anything. It's

(34:43):
not even moving. And the guy he can't get my
eggs to scan. He's just moving them all around, He's
trying to find the bar code. It's just not happening.
His right arm bumps into my groceries and creates this
chain reaction that eventually knocks over the monster can and
I was like, Okay, well, I guess I just have
to live with these kind of things because they it

(35:05):
just happens to me whatever. I think these are probably
more common than a lot of people might say because
they don't get discussed. They're so strange people. They fear
the backlash, just like the same reason the FBI wasn't
going to say, we think this might be mother nature itself,
you know, sanguinating cows, They're going to say it's coyotes
or whatever, because they just can't talk like that. When

(35:28):
I was actually a science teacher for a while, not anymore.
I'm doing other things. But I started a club for kids.
I call it Paranormal Society, and we would get together
and we would have a week where we talked about
dreams or lucid dreams. We'd have a week when we
talk about ghosts, or we'd have a holiday party around
Christmas time where we watch the X Files episode with

(35:49):
Christmas when they're there in the haunted house. And I
was surprised by how many kids had never had eggnog before.
But yeah, I just think things like that. It brings
these experiences to the or where like Otherwise, kids wouldn't
feel like they could even talk about this stuff, because
I think a lot of people have these events, but
they just don't feel like they can talk about them.
It's just too strange, or they just discount them, they

(36:11):
forget about them. But I think it's some of the
coolest stuff that happens to anybody, because it kind of
makes you finally believe that maybe reality like magic is possible.
You don't it's not all just simple physics or what
you would assume. It's just it absolutely erases boredom because
now reality is without bounds, anything could happen. So that's

(36:32):
that's why I developed an interest in all this stuff.
And now my bookshelves are full of paranormal books and
psychic photography. I've got the dousing riots I do taro.
If I'm just when I'm feeling it, i'd do something
like pull a card or something, But then I'm also
reading about physics and mathematics and stuff, so I keep it.
I'm always I would say my philosophy in general is

(36:53):
that I'm an observationalist. I just want to see what
nature can do, what does it do, and then go
from that as opposed to assuming what nature's limitations are
and then operating that way, which unfortunately seems like what
a lot of science is based on. Where we start
with this assumption, we limit nature, who put it into
a box, and then we just search within that box.

(37:14):
But it's don't We don't even have a good explanation
for why reality exists at all. So stop putting limitations
on it and and be open to open to experience.
It might be surprised what happens. Yeah, And the next
thing I wanted to study is imaginary friends. Like a
lot of kids grow up and they have imaginary friends.

(37:34):
And I was since I substitute teach, I was going
to start like conducting interviews, probably with like sixth grade
and older, because it just keeps things simple. But ask
them if they remember having an imaginary friend, did they
did they learn anything? Did it talk? Do they remember
what it looked like? Is there some common ground where
it's a certain type of individual that people remember. I

(37:56):
think my niece had an imaginary friend that was an
old man that we'd wonder was it my dad? Is
my dad there with her? We don't know, But it's
interesting all of these little phenomena that occur, and including aliens.
Even though I don't think aliens or maybe what's happening
with cattle mutilations, it's absolutely a phenomenon that's that's worth exploring.

(38:18):
I just I really haven't had my alien experience yet.
I don't think so. Synchronicity's ghosts, precognitive stuff, all the
accounts of cattle mutilations. That's kind of where I focus now,
But who knows what the future holds.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
I talked to someone before, I think it was a
couple of years ago now that they were also a
teacher and they did a group the focused on paranormal stuff.
But when I was in school, I would I love
something like that to happened, but we didn't have anything
back then. But you're right when you mentioned a lot

(38:53):
of people don't get to talk about it, because that's
the reason I do this show, is because people have
experiences and we don't get a chance to talk about
it because there's still that stigma out there. You talk
about certain things, people think you're crazy. And I know
some people, you know what, maybe they are. I'm not

(39:15):
going to go out and say that some people aren't crazy,
because obviously there's going to be somebody out there that
kind of is. But yeah, not everyone is crazy. Like
people experience something, they're seeing something, they're having these experiences.
Sometimes you just need a place to talk about.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Absolutely. It's like Professor Axent in school got to have
somewhere for those kids to go and and I mean, yeah,
what reality is way more vast than what's what's been
covered in the textbooks. Is just such a distilled way
to represent what the extent of full extent of reality.
It's being watered down. And that's why kids end up

(39:58):
being demotivated and bored, is because they're being people trying
to convince them and sell them a story about reality
it doesn't fit with their own experience of reality as
human living beings because that's already so far like it's
so much more majestic and incredible than what they're they're learning.
It's they're being subdued, so they get it. Yeah, I

(40:22):
don't think school is great at creating inspiration, and it's
probably not designed to do that generally, which is why
I'm not part of it anymore. So I substitute pretty
much just enough to have enough money to write. And
so I was like writing books, but you put them
on Kindle, nobody's nobody finds those. So then I start
writing articles for journals and my writing is You could

(40:44):
probably imagine this is also a little bit too edgy
because you get into sleep paralysis and I could get
into another story about house dreams. So there was there
was a time when I was also having sleep proalyssis events.
I would have these dreams that were scarier than sleep
press dreams that transcended that fear by a factor of
one hundred, like no problem and nothing in the dream itself.

(41:08):
If you were to see it, if you were to
step into the dream and see what I was saying,
you'd like, why is this scary? But it was just
unbridled fear, and it involved the house, and I'd get
I'd be in the house and there'd always be one
room and I knew it was somewhere, and I'd get
close to it and the fear would start to kick in.
And it's a fear like I cannot explain, like the

(41:29):
most afraid you've ever been watching a movie or whatever.
For me is it It's beyond like for me, I've
never felt anything like it. I'd get goosebumps just talking
about it. So in this house, I'd get to the
room and I'm like, I'm not going in there. The
fear would be too much. But one time I was like,

(41:49):
I gotta go in, and I opened the room and
it's like high windows on either side. The room is
longer than it is wide. Really kind of antique furniture,
dusty antiques in glass cases just just seems harmless. But
the amount of fear from this room that I would
feel was just shocking. It would it would sit with

(42:12):
me the whole next day, and I didn't know how
to interpret it. So I'd like, I'm diving into like
Carl Jung's writing about archetypes, and apparently the symbol is
that the dream is the entire psyche, my unconscious, my ego,
et cetera, the whole thing, and then the room is
how my unconscious thinks about me that I'm I'm I've

(42:35):
become terrifying to it. So it's like showing me a
mirror of how it feels about me, which is kind
of a parallel to what cattle mutilations might be. It
might be like, here, this is what you are doing,
this is what this is your you're coldly treating these
animals in this disrespectful way. You're you're disrespecting the history
of the land, et cetera. It's kind of there might

(42:55):
be a parallel there, but anyway, it's symbolic communication, and eventually,
you know, I get my act together, the dreams disappear.
I haven't dreamt about a house with a room in
it since I started living a better life. But about
a year or two when I got my act together,
I had a Tinder date with someone and she tells

(43:17):
me she's having house dreams, and I was like, oh, okay,
So I said, you are in danger, something going on
in your life you have to fix. And I've made
sure she knew I was serious. I remember her name.
I will absolutely not say her name. The date ends.
We just kind of go our separate ways, and I

(43:37):
think a friend her on Facebook or something. We don't
really talk anymore, but I see her pictures and this
is I mean, this is sad. But over time she disintegrated,
she like slowly wilted away. I don't know what the
problem was, but she passed away, and I wish I
could go back to that date. And really, I don't

(43:59):
know say at ten times instead of once, that you
are in danger. You have to fix this or maybe
reach out more for a second date. But the house
dream seems to be an archetypal communication of deep danger.
It seems to be and it seems to be almost universal.
I even had another gal from a dating app tell
me that she was because I asked her, because I

(44:21):
could tell her life was just in disarray. She was
always drunk when we would talk, always smoking, always just
just in like in between jobs, like nothing seemed to
be set up for. And I said, do you happen
to be dreaming about a house with a room in
it and maybe there's something wrong with this room? And
she's like, yeah, I dream about a house in the
basement is all messy and I don't go down there.

(44:41):
I can't even go down into the basement in my
in my dream. And I said, you have to fix whatever,
you have to fix your life because you're you're in danger.
But you tell most people that, and if especially if
you don't know them, even if you do know them,
they're gonna get They're going to defend themselves. They're not
going to take that advice because you've just told yeah, yeah,
so could you hear me there? Sorry, my thumb was

(45:03):
over the thing.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
No, you're good.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah. So anyway, maybe I just need to get off
dating apps. But yeah, dreams have meanings. Some people think
they're just like the defragmentation of defragging the memories and
the brains, like just processing things randomly. Maybe sometimes it
is that, but not always. I've had precognitive dreams. There
was a time at the first school where I taught, well,

(45:28):
I had a week straight where I had dream after
dream after dream, like five nights straight in October. It
was in the fall, and they were all pre cognitive.
The next day it would be validated. I had a
dream that one of my students was going to start
acting up and she was normally great. Very next day
she's like cussing, she won't stop yelling. I was okay.

(45:50):
Then I had another dream that a student that I'd
never talked to was going to visit me in my room.
The next day he comes by and we have a chat,
even though we had never talked before. Then I have
a dream about the football team winning their football game
and they were going to score twenty points, and I
tell that I was student teaching. I told the guy
I was teaching under. It was training me, the guiding teacher,

(46:12):
about this dream. He was the offensive coordinator. So on
the van he tells the team about this dream I
had that they won. So, yeah, mister Waterman, he had
a dream that you guys won the game. He didn't
tell him the score that I saw. I didn't. I
don't know. I didn't know the opponent's score. I thought
it had zero, and it's either zero or ten, but
I dreamt twenty for the winning score. So I'm sitting

(46:32):
there watching their game on a laptop and they had
just scored their third touchdown, so they had twenty points.
And I was like, well, if my dream's right, he's
got to miss this extra point kick. And it sailed.
It sailed wide, So I was like, well, there you go.
I don't know what to make of these things. It
seems to be like access to something I shouldn't have
access to, But I don't think it's that rare across people.

(46:56):
And even like the government with the Stargate program, they've
they've use people's abilities to access information that we don't
really know how they gain access to it. But the
government's been interested in this for a long time, Stanford
had a lab called I think it was Sri Where
And I could be totally wrong about that, but I
think they had it for decades where they studied psychic phenomena.

(47:17):
And you don't do something for decades if it's if
it's baseless. So and I know, like there's a lot
of like law enforcement that uses psychics to like help
them and things, so I don't think it's nothing. I've
also had experiences with telepathy. I was working at a
bookstore and they were the gal that ran that bookstore.

(47:40):
She would practice telepathy with her mom. I think they
would hold up one of three shapes and then the
other would try to figure out what was the one
of the three shapes they were looking at. And one
day I couldn't remember how to pronounce her name, so
thinking between the two pronunciations, and she just looks up
and says it. She says it's pronounced, and I won't
say her name, and as if she knew. And the

(48:03):
next day I was there at the bookstore and I
was like, did you like know what I was wondering
about with your name? And she's like, some things just
don't need to be discussed, like she just thought that
was a rabbit hole we didn't need to go down.
I was like, that's fine. I've even I've had times
in relationshs like long term relationships with like a girlfriend,
where I thought the phrase I love you in my

(48:26):
head and she'd respond I love you, and I'd be like,
I actually didn't say that out loud, and you know,
you could just carry on. It's like, okay, well there's
things that the things in this reality we don't totally understand,
and I mean I like them, they don't They don't
really scare me. They almost comfort me because it's that
there's always more than meets the eye, and things never

(48:48):
get boring that way because it's like anything as possible.
And also no harm, no foul, right, like nothing bad happened.
So yeah, I wish I could just uh. I actually
had a dream the other day about ninety thousand. I
was like, or at least for sure it was ninety
and a bunch of zeros. And then the next day
I got on Instagram and the was it the power

(49:09):
Ball I think it was what was called or the
Mega Millions was ninety million dollars and I was like
scrambling to buy a ticket I was like, this might
be it, but then I had downloaded an app or something.
I was like, I don't want to give this at
my credit card info. So I might have missed my chance.
But that's fine because that'll keep me motivated to study
cows and substituteach, you know, write and stuff. Gotta stay hungry.

(49:31):
I can't be winning all this money'd be ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Where can everyone find you out? So you say you're
right and you're doing all the studying on the cattle mutilations,
is there something you're going to be putting out in
regard to the mutilation discoveries that you've been looking into.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yeah, pretty much everything we talked about is on the
video I posted on sound Science, So just a little
alliteration for people sound Science on YouTube. And then Ganymede
that's like the the Greek myth Ganymede underscore Graham like
Instagram on Instagram is my page there, And yeah, I'd
be open to talk to people about paranormal stuff anytime.

(50:09):
I talk to former students about like the cow stuff,
and you know, whoever's interested in these things, because the
mystery is just I mean, it's so cool, it's it's
the perfect mystery, especially the cow stuff, because you can
understand just enough of it to feel like you're making progress,
but you can't ever get all of it to feel
like you got it wrapped up. So it's, uh, yeah,

(50:29):
I'll probably be wondering about it for a long time.
But yeah, those two, those two sites that would be
It Sounds Science on YouTube and then Ganymede Graham on Instagram.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Awesome. Make sure to send me the links to that,
and then I will include those in the show notes
for anyone listening. Awesome, But I think we can probably
wrap this one up. Is there anything else before we
do that you would like to discuss?

Speaker 1 (50:56):
I just really appreciate the opportunity. It's it felt like
a way on my shoulders to discover this pattern and
feel like, oh, I kind of tell somebody I don't like.
I don't like knowing things that are kind of like
that interesting and not being able to talk about it,
especially since it's the summer and I'm not teaching, not
that this is something I'm probably going to bring up
at school, although there might be some high schoolers, like

(51:16):
the certain type of dudes that might, you know, I
could talk to them about it. But I just really
appreciate the opportunity to talk to you about this, and uh, yeah,
thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Hey, not a problem. I appreciate having you on. Thank
you for being an awesome guest. And you brought some
fascinating information that I never knew, especially when it comes
to gal mutilation. So that's something I'm going to actually
start digging into myself. So definitely appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Excellent, and I'm sure we'll be talking again sometimes.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Definitely. You have a good night, you too.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Bye.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
If you'd like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tels,
remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tales Podcast at
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go to the contact section. Make sure to follow me
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truth comes at a cost. Are you willing to pay
the price?

Speaker 2 (52:10):
I've heard a story be laid last night about something
alert along a wood line, huge foot print, strange.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Lights in the sky.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
They claim it's nothing, but I know they light it,
sees theer laughing to laugh in my face. But something
about this.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Makes me say, what if it's real? What if they knew?

Speaker 2 (52:37):
What if the answers are coming from you, spending story,
wasting minds time. Hearing Boy says, is it all in
their minds? They can call me crazy, but I just want.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Them from What if it's true?

Speaker 3 (52:56):
What if it's really?

Speaker 1 (52:58):
What if it's true?

Speaker 2 (53:00):
What if the worlds not what we knew till? All?
The tales blend me a story that starts where the
line it gets? What if it's reach? What if it's true?
The answers are waiting, They're waiting for you. They see

(53:20):
if the dog man walking, or maybe am offman flies
above the very giants hidden beneath the lies.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
They say, it's just stories.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
It's all they believe, the fairy tale sport of things
we can't perceive. They want to keep us blindly, They
want to break our wheel.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
But I'm not buying it.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I'm not swallowing another pill, force fed poison. The lines
were made to what if.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
The truth could set us free?

Speaker 2 (53:51):
The alien signals traveling through time secret space protograms are
racing their minds.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
They call them crazy, but I just need some fruit.
What if it's true?

Speaker 2 (54:05):
What if it's real? What if it's true? What if
the worlds not what we do? Tim Foil tells fully
Me and a story that starts where the logic iss.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
What if it's real?

Speaker 3 (54:22):
What if it's true?

Speaker 2 (54:24):
The answers are waiting, but they're weighing for you. They
they lie.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
We all been dining.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
The signs are there if you open your eyes, Aliens, cricktics,
demon's ghost, the getul them two.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
What if it's me?

Speaker 1 (54:43):
What if it's real?

Speaker 2 (54:45):
What if it's real? What if it's true? What if
the world's not what we do? Ten Foil tells fully me,
a story that starts where the logic.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
What if it's reading?

Speaker 3 (55:02):
What if that's true?

Speaker 2 (55:04):
The answers are waiting, they're waiting for you.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
It's all in our heads. It's always our binders. These
voices can be silence.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
The truth must rise.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Temple tells it's pulling me.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
What if it's reading?

Speaker 2 (55:22):
What if it's true,

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