Ep. 216: Bigfoot: The Gateway Cryptid

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
And I just turned around and I call ass out
of there.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I was done. I wasn't deal with that.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
that turned me.

Speaker 4 (00:16):
Away the quickest.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
When I turned my head lights on, it turned and
looked at us. And one of the things I remember
the most, where the eyes were going red.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
I see an orb of light. It is just circling
these steps like it is waiting for me.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO.
They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven
foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's
where I saw the top of the.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Muzzle, noose and the eyes. As soon as I made
eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome
back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host Brandon Tonight. We
are joined by my guest Ti.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Ti.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Thanks for coming on here and talking with me.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Absolutely, thank you for having me. It's a really cool
deal on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Would you like to let the audience know a little
bit about yourself before we get into it.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Absolutely so. I'm an author from Southern Ohio, born and
raised Southern Ohio. I've been in the cryptosology ufology all
that for as long as I can remember. I mean,
I think Bigfoot in UFO has been part of my
life since as far as as far back as I
can remember. Just always been drawn that kind of stuff,

(01:44):
and I always wanted to write. That's always been a
passion of mine as far back as middle school. And
after years of just wanting to trade a novel or
starting and not finishing novels, I finally decided this year
was gonna be the year that actually complete and published
my first novel. So my novel, Monstrous is now available

(02:07):
and hopefully the beginning of a series that I'm working
on right now. So yeah, that's just a little bit
about me. Just always been just entranced by all things
high strangeness.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
I don't want to put you on the spot, but
I feel like you're not I'm in my forties. I
feel like you're younger than me. Uh So, yeah, I'm
in my early thirties. I'm thirty three. So I feel
like there's a certain age we all start to mature.
And I don't know what it is, but like, for

(02:43):
there's a running gag that my buddies have sent to me.
It's once men get to like almost middle age. They
get either fascinated with like Bigfoot, or they get fascinated
with smoking meats, or they start a podcast as like shit,
I've done all three.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I think I'm getting to that I must be at
that age as well. I mean Bigfoot of course always
a thing. I've done my fair share of pod podcasting,
and one of my favorite pastimes is to break out
the blackstone and throw some meat on it. So I
think I think I must be at around that age
as well.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, I said, I'm I felt like this was a
personal attack at me, but no.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Bites when you find those super relatable memes online.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Right, So, of all things out there and you said
all things high strangeness, what kind of led you to
be interested in that? I know a lot of people
have like experiences or something happens to them and typically
is what they draw them into. There's a few people
that weren't ever involved in anything and they just were

(03:51):
interested in it. But was there something specifically that led
you down this pathway?

Speaker 2 (03:55):
I mean, I've had, I guess, I would say an
experience at some point, but that that didn't come and
that didn't come first. I mean, you know, the first
time I ever saw Bigfoot was sitting on the couch
with my dad watching Harry and Henderson's on VHS. That
was like the very first time I saw Bigfoot. And
I always credit my dad for a lot of this

(04:16):
stuff because he raised me on unsolved mysteries and X
files and you know, let me watch Sci Fi Channel
originals when I was way too young and just kind
of just kind of allowed me to be interested in
this kind of stuff. And it just always stuck with me.
Like as far back as I remember, I was always

(04:36):
the I always just was drawn to this kind of thing.
You know, even back in elementary school I was I
was really not a reader. I never could like sit
down with a book, but I remember finding a book
in my library when I was you know, third or
fourth grade that was just about Bigfoot and cryptids, and
that just that was my book. That's where I started reading.

(04:57):
I really found myself. But it's just I guess just
that memory of just ever since I was a kid,
just being surrounded by it in some way, you know,
having that influence. It's just always stuck with me because
it's such a cool thing to just think of like
this mystery out there, like things that we don't know
like that that just fascinates me.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
There's always something out there that I feel like we
don't know about me, and there's that fascination that draws
people into the unknown.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, because I always think like the the bleakest view
of the world is that we've already discovered and know everything.
Like that's just a bleak feeling like that there's no
mystery out there, and Bigfootage is such a great encapsulation
of that mystery, and you know, just things that we
don't know, the things looking in the shadow, things just

(05:50):
beyond the line of sight. Like I've always really found
big Footage just like the perfect symbol for that.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Now, as far as Bigfoot goes this something that you
actually think is real, you think it's an actual flesh
and blood creature.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
I do, I you know, I guess it kind of
goes back to that, you know, the X Files thing,
you know, uh, you know, Fox Motor in his in
his office has the the poster I want to believe
And I've always found that as kind of like a motto.
It's kind of very personally because it's I want to

(06:26):
believe in these things. I choose to believe in Bigfoot.
I choose to believe there's a flesh and blood creature
out there, and you know, to me, I I really
do believe that there's something out there. I think the history,
you know, the lore, the mythology is just so deep
and complex that it's hard to ignore.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Mm hm.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
So yeah, I just I really, I really believe in Bigfoot.
I've got tattooed on me. I dedicated far too much
of my time with reading and watching Bigfoot movies. So yeah,
to say it's a thing that's very personally.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
It's interesting you mentioned the big foot tattoo because it
was about a couple of weeks ago where I work,
and I usually don't talk to people about what I
do outside of work, because when people think you have
a podcast and they ask you about and you talk
about some of the things you're doing in the line
of work that I do, you're gonna get some weird

(07:22):
looks from people that are gonna start question. But I
was asked and I said what it was, and we
started talking. Come to find out he has a big
foot tattoo and he has alien stuff. I was like,
oh shit, and I gave him my podcast card with
a QR code on the back as I go, probably
enjoy it. It's a rarity around here that I occasionally

(07:44):
will run into someone that has the same sort of
interest as I do. Yeah, because this is still one
of those topics it's not so much mainstream.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Okay, so I cut out there for a second. Uh yeah, Yeah,
I know that, feeling like I have a few friends
that are really into it, and but I very rarely
like we'll just bump into people that that have this
interest that you kind of gotta like seek them out right.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
It's a it's still got that taboo stigma to it.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, Unfortunately, I don't know it seems like yeah, because
it does kind of like, you know, kind of teetre
on that like fringe edge. I think people still see
it as but I feel like here in Ohio where
I'm at, like southern Ohio in particular, I feel like
it's maybe like not as like normalized, but there's like
things like some pretty big conventions and things like that

(08:39):
that people are drawing to, like you know, the leveland
Frog Festival, Mothsman Festival, you know, things like these that
you draw pretty big crowd of people that I think
a small town Monsters has a festival up north here
above Columbus. But yeah, like some pretty some pretty big
monster fest Yeah, some pretty big, big festivals here in

(09:01):
Ohio that kind of celebrate and normalize cryptid culture.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
I was at a couple a few weeks ago. I've
been to I'm actually gonna do, Like I think I
have like ten different events this year that I'm doing.
But I was in Tennessee for a festival, okay, a
big foo festival. And I was just in Kentucky right
outside of Lexington for another one.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
So it is there's certain areas, especially in the mountainy areas,
there are a lot more festivals and it's more accepted,
and there are lots and lots of people out there.
And I was just gonna say, I was like, I
feel like Bigfoot is more of a I don't want
to call it mainstream, but it's more of the the

(09:50):
gateway drug to cryptids.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
I think, Yeah, that's the good way I put it,
cause I think when people hear cryptids, like that's that's
the first thing that comes to mind is Bigfoot, Like
that's the you know, everyone kind of gets that iconic
silhouette of you know, Bigfoot in their head, and you know,
you see it, like anytime you go to like a
store here you know where I live, like out in
the wood. You can go to like some like rural

(10:12):
camping store, They're always going to have some sort of
Bigfoot merchandise canteens or stickers. It's always that same, that
same generic bigfoot silhouette, you know, the side profile, right,
And I feel like that that's kind of like where
people first get their dose of cryptids. It's been really
cool like the last few years as I've kind of
immersed myself more into like the cryptid culture. I've always

(10:35):
been in the cryptids and a few years back, me
and my friend Bailey started a podcast and we started
going to conventions things like that, and I really got
you know, made friends in the in the community and
adding people on Instagram, Facebook, things like that. And it's
really cool because like the longest time, it's like Bigfoot
conventions and you had Mothmaning Convention. Now you have like

(10:55):
Loveland Frog Festival, and looking on further, there's things like
the after Monster Festival. There's these like really obscure cryptos
are now getting celebrated. Because I've always said, like small
towns that have these legends like like to lean into
it as the way to go because there's there's culture
behind these things and people are going to be drawn

(11:17):
to that. Like Loveland Frog, like it's only in its
think fourth year, and I went to the very first
one and it was in like the corner of a
hotel convention center where they was having this card this
card card convention at the same time, and the Loveland
Frog was such a small part of it. And I've

(11:39):
been that everyone since and it's subsequently bigger and bigger
and bigger, and like this year, I think will be
the fourth or fifth and it's like a two day
event now in Loveland, like a street festival, Like it's
like expanded beyond that little nook in the side of
that hotel. So yeah, but these small towns that embrace that,
like that's just it's so cool when they do that.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
There's one coming up in October that is the first
year for it. It is the Goblin con it's celebrating
the Hopkinsville the Kelly Greenman story from Nice. So I'm
a part of that one. And then there's another one
in Louisville for the goat Man Festival. So I'm actually
on that one too.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Wow, where's the is the God? Where's the Goblin?

Speaker 3 (12:22):
I say, it's going to be in Uh, it's in Hopkinsville,
in Hopkinsville, c Yep. It's right outside of where the
original I think it was in the nineteen fifties when
the thing happened, because I think this is the seventieth year.
I think it happened in nineteen fifty five, so this
is the seventh anniversary for the incident where the family
was shooting it. What was the little green men that

(12:45):
were trying to get into the house gotcha?

Speaker 2 (12:49):
So yeah, that's a that's one of the early I
think one of the earlier like cryptid stories that blew
my mind, like Outside of Bigfoot, because I remember that
book I was telling you about that. I remember picking
up my elementary school that was like one of the
main one of the things in it was was that,
and it blew my mind. And then also I remember
the segment of Unsolved Mysteries and like those things like

(13:12):
really drew me into crypto things. So that that was
like the first time I ever saw like outside of Bigfoot,
because you know, just grown up, I was always in
the big Foot, you know, Harry Henderson's and all these
things and you know aliens of course, but like the cryptids,
like those start to trickle in like as I grew
up and like kind of opened my mind to this
like greater world of all these like monsters and legends

(13:35):
out there.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
The story for them. I've actually interviewed the daughter of
that family. Wow, we're one of the lucky from the family,
and she's going to be at the festival too. That's
how I've kind of got involved with it, for being
out cool for being there. But that was another story
that always interested me, even at a younger age, because

(13:58):
I remember the Kentucky Gotblins and they got really popular
again here recently because of that TV show Hell Here.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
But for me, it's like some of these stories that
you hear. Obviously these things had like the ears or whatever,
but size wise, eyes wise, everything else. They have that
typical alien appearance minus like the ears. But there's been
a lot of other sightings of things like this too,

(14:28):
especially around the mountains and the caves, and a lot
of people now started calling them pale crawlers. They've called them,
which rake is a creepypasta thing, but it's still influenced
by that. Like even the old Windogo stories, they were
like more humanoid looking, skinny people looking things, not the
big antlered things that we see today. But in the
fifties you had the dover demon. It was very similar

(14:52):
looking to what a gray would look like or what
these Kentucky goblins look like. So for me, it's just
like the there's a lot of simil lardy is of
what people are seeing. Yeah, And that's where I always
try to make these connections, is what is it? Because
they're all describing something that looks very similar with the
big eyes and the big head and the smaller body,

(15:15):
like they're seeing something.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, I mean there's something that's that's that's similar that
people are sitting across. That's that's what always gonna have
a bigfoot is like when you look into like bigfoot mythology,
sasquatch mythology, like not only do you have before man,
before you know, uh, English Americans got here and we
start colonizing, you have like all these Native American tries

(15:38):
from all over the United States have these very similar
legends of like harry Man or giants or you know, uh,
protectors of the forests or shadow people. And when you
start going on the nuts and bolts of it, and
they're you're looking at like descriptions and the way they
behave and what they are. It's these bigfoot creatures. And
then you look even further, you draw back and you

(15:59):
start look a like world history and you look at
all these different continents and cultures that are you know,
separated by miles and miles and oceans and you know
continents and you know mountains and all this, and they're
all describing these other things of wild men and you know,
these these these beings, these hairy beings, and you just

(16:21):
break them down it's the same creature. Like, there's this
creature that is all over that all has interact with
all these different cultures. And it's before internet, it's before
texting and I am and you know, uh, streaming video,
it's before all of that. And these people were all
seeing this thing and describing it. I mean, that's what
always drove me, drew me in about bigfoot. It's so

(16:42):
hard for me to understand, like how that could be overlooked.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Yeah, I'm not sure. Like when it comes to bigfoot
stuff from It's very interesting in the sense that so
many people have reported seen.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Bigfoot. Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Someone that tries to I want to believe, like you
said before, like I'm an X Files guy myself. I
have that I want to believe right up on my wall.
But it's hard when there's been no bodies for me
and there's no skeletons there's for someone that's get like
for something that gets seen so often and reported not

(17:25):
to mention all the people that have seen it that
don't want to talk about it. Yeah, why have we
not come across the body yet?

Speaker 2 (17:33):
That's always like I think that's always going to be
like the smoking gun for the for the big Foot argument,
It's always going to be like the body argument because
that that's really the only way to like definitively prove something,
like aside from you know, like Scooby Doo like netting
one alive like that, the next like logical way to

(17:54):
prove something is to, you know, bring a body in,
whether it's you know, either someone's found a body or
killed one or you know, whatever it may be. But yeah,
that that is always like the smoking gun because it's
so hard to explain it and you can get into
like the the really like out there theories up Bigfoot
where it's not this flesh and blood creature, it's this

(18:16):
you know, ethereal being or this you know, interdimensional being,
and you'll find a lot of like really interesting stories
that kind of support that or whatever. There's a really
good documentary. I feel like this is like the fourth
time been on a podcast like promoted this documentary that
I have no hand in whatsoever. But it's just a
document I really like. Is on Prime and it's called

(18:39):
a Flash of Beauty. That is what it's called. Yep.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
I actually talked to the guys and made.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
It, did you, oh man? That is one of my
favorite documentary for some reason, Like it really hooked me
just the because I've always looked at Bigfoot. It's like
this flesh and blood creature, Like that's the way I've
I've always believed it to be and that's why I
always see it. But I I do really like the
idea of it being this like interdimensional like higher being.

(19:06):
I do like that idea and that documentary Like if
I wasn't sold, it came damn near clothes to like
selling me on that theory because it's just for once.
It's it's a well made documentary, but just the people
that talk about it and the ideas that they bring
up and the things they've saw, Like that really drew
me in, and you have certain digging into it more

(19:26):
like I've seen, like I've read your reports, people talk
about like they pulled their phones out take a picture
of a bigfoot or whatever their technology doesn't work, you know,
things that kind of support that idea. So it would
be like, maybe there's no body to be found. Maybe
these things aren't really on our maybe we're like seeing

(19:48):
glimpses of these things, like they're not really on the
same plane as us, Like that could be the idea
behind it, but it is. It is like the big
smoking gun for the bigfoot theory.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
I try to go that route with it because that's
the only way you can kind of rationalize why there's
been no bodies. But when you start to go down
that path, then you have to start thinking of other
things too, and then like it's like I said, it's
the gateway drug because it's the rabbit hole that literally
brings you into all sorts of different things because it's

(20:23):
got like a very different paranormal aspect to it that
you can't really right off as.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Normal. Yeah, and Bigfoot, you know, at its core is
just sasquatch, but there are something like branching points from
it that touch everything. Like you can really have so
many different ideas about Bigfoot, Like there's biblical beliefs of it,
you know, with the nephilin connection, there's the transdimensional theories

(20:56):
of it being an interventional being. You know, people think
it's just a flesh blood creature. You know, people have
reported seeing UFOs, so it opens up the idea of
it being like an alien or some sort of alien
being of some kind. So it's really interesting, like all
the different theories that have kind of congregated around this
one creature.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
And it doesn't just stop without one creature because then
once you start to go into it, there's other creatures
that have similar things. There's people that report seeing dog Man,
there's people that report seeing other things. And does that
mean that all of these things actually exist? Because we've

(21:40):
all seen them and that's right. It's it becomes like
what is the reality that we're actually living in? For me,
because these things we were told for all these years
are not real? But we all seen something, So what
are we seeing? How are we seeing things that aren't
real You.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Ever heard of like the ultra trustrials even heard of those? Like,
h yeah, like those been. I've seen those like a
few times. Like if I understand ultratrustrials correctly, it's like
they can take on the form of anything. Is that
what it is? Like?

Speaker 3 (22:14):
I am not one hundred percent sure if that's what
the explanation is, but I think it's similar because when
I'm thinking they're above are I don't want to say
our world, but like it, they're not. They're from here,
but they're not. They're above us. So it's almost like
an interdimensional type thing. So they can they manifest themselves

(22:35):
into something that we understand.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, like that, that's something I've seen as well. Actually,
when I was doing that, when when my podcast went
from Bailey we had a listener, he sent me like
a he sends us like a package of like all
these like books of ultratrustrials and they were like handmade,
like kind of like pamphlet type books he sent us,

(22:59):
and they were wild stuff. I remember like reading the
first chapter and I was like, I gotta put this down.
This is a little too out there for me. But
he said us this whole thing about extras ultraterrestrials and
it was pretty wild. That's where I first got introduced
ultraterrestrials and start of you know, started looking into it more.
But I remember him sending me and it was I
got him somewhere in like a I think it's in
like a uh one of the one of the one

(23:20):
of the clausets here in my office, but I think
it's there. But they're like some like handmade, typed kind
of uh kind of books that he made, uh, I
think he gave away. But yeah, they were pretty wild.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
There's a lot of things out there that could be
perceived that way. And I don't know how scientific it is,
but I think mathematically there's been proven to be different dimensions,
different whatever like math math.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
I think it's pretty much like, Yeah, I think it's
like I don't know if it's like like something. I
think it's still a theory, but I think that there's uh,
it's more or so like people have pretty much agreed
upon it. There is a multiple dimensions that we are
not the single plane of existence.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
So if you go into that type of aspect, if
we're in a three D world and if there's something
that's above us whatever the fourth dimension is, which some
people say it's time, some people call it something else.
But let's just say something from the forty or five
D come here. And I've watched videos explaining this, and

(24:31):
I can explain in like video game terms, but like
think of the original Atari. Everything was like side scroll
and old Nintendo, and then you went into three D,
which is like our So that was like a two
D world. So you go from two D to three D,
then you go to forty and five D. So they're
going to be like something we can't comprehend, and maybe

(24:54):
they have to abide by our laws of physics here
in our three D world, so they're taking shapes and
presence into what we see here, which would explain why
people have reported with Bigfoot, the random balls of energy,
the orbs, and the fact that they just disappear or
their footprints just are gone, and like it's very paranormal

(25:19):
in a sense. But maybe the whole paranormal aspect to
the world is from the other realm that we're not
able to understand. So what we think are ghosts and spirits,
they could be just these beans or energies from a
different plane of existence that we're not able to get
there yet, and somehow it bleeds into ours.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah, I mean that it's it's pretty wild to think of,
Like I mean, it's I guess it'd be like why,
I guess only my only like I guess. The question
I have for that is just like be the form,
the the forms they take? I guess, like why so

(25:57):
many would take a foot esque ye shape, especially when
you see people that like see big Foot, we're not
exactly like believers. I get like, you know, maybe if
like I was going in the woods and see one
like that would be the first thing it would take,
because it knows that's something that I would associate with

(26:18):
this thing in the woods. But I wonder why it'd
be like if someone who's not a really a believer
Bigfoot would go in the woods and see one of
these things, why that would be the form of take.
I guess that's the only thing I like kind of
always I always questioned about it was what dictates the
decision to take these forms?

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, that's the thing I've thought about too, is why
why choose that? If it can take any sort of form,
why wouldn't it just take into a form of something
that's natural.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Like a tree just turn into a tree or something
you know, or by you don't you see it?

Speaker 3 (26:50):
You even the deer an uncanny valley human. Yeah, if
it's trying to blend in, like why wouldn't it just
be a person? Then I've actually walked over around and
I see people like, oh, I don't even a real
person these days, because.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
You never know something like that if you're heard of
the like not deer. Yeah, yeah, like something like that.
I could see, like maybe it takes the form of
a deer, but it's not just something not quite completely
right about it.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
So I had a family member recently tell me something
about seeing something like that, and they they used the
word they didn't want to say what that word, which
I'll say.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
I when to go.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
But I was like, that's not technically what they are.
I don't want to be that.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Guy, but like, yeah, actually you don't be that guy.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
But they said it was a deer that ended up
walking on its hind legs and it was just very
odd and creepy, and I believe them. Yeah, so it's like, well,
what the hell was it? Because I don't like they

(28:06):
thought it was something else. But then my brain I'm like, no,
it sounds like a not deer because some of the
characteristics of it. I was like, but maybe that's what
people were seeing when they started calling the window goes
maybe this is these whatever these things are.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, that's maybe like a fault of I don't know
if it's a fault or like I think that's something
I've never been able to do. Is like you're not
saying that's what I mean. Like someone tells me I've
seen something, Like I've never been able to like be
like you, like I don't believe you know what I mean,
Like like even when you heard that, like you know
they've seen something. I've had people who are like, well

(28:43):
straight like tell you, like you you didn't see that,
you know what I mean? Like I never stood that
that mentality. Yeah, Like the the idea of seeing like
something in the woods and like coming and telling you
it's it's like it's like blows my mind. And people
do that and like them to coming in like tell
you that like that that's huge and like also like

(29:06):
the not a deer thing, like that is such a
weird thing and it's such an obscure cryptid too mm hm.
And and you might be right, Like I mean the
wind to Go similar. I guess if you see like
one of these not a deers like do that like
staying on its hind legs like at a distance, I
mean that that would be when to Go esque. I
guess you know what I mean, Like, right, that classic

(29:31):
when to Go? I guess imagery that you get.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah, when people look up when to Go, they always
get like the ant learrics and the skull and everything.
But like the original versions of them, they were more humanoid.
They were really okay. They were actually like uh people
from the tribe. They basically ate their lips off and
they had this sensationable hunger, and to me it sounded

(29:58):
more like a zombie type of a thing. Oh yeah,
But they were gray and like they're slash colors, like
more pale looking. So if you go back to what
I was saying earlier, like with pale crawlers, there are humanoids,
there's skin is gray, and like this is like what
the original windigo thing was. But they're more of a

(30:18):
spiritual thing if you actually listen to what the tribes
had called them. Yeah, and the white settlers kind of
bastardized that whole story and made them into these antler
headed roy corpses, but it sounded more like it was
a rotting corpse of a human, not so much with
the deer head, but that I don't know where the

(30:38):
whole deerhead thing correlates with it. I'm not I've never
looked into any of that.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
I guess I've never looked at it either. I've always
just kind of like seen that imagery of like the Yeah,
I wonder where that came from, like that, cause that's
kind of like what's most associated with a wind to go? Now?
Is that antler the deer skull thing. That's that's very interesting.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
There was a movie that came out a few years ago,
I think it was The Ritual, and it was about
an old god out in the woods and it being
something like with a deer head on it, and I
was like, I wonder if they use that as like
an influence, because it wasn't even in America, e a
country that they were supposed to be in.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Ireland or Scotland or the European like upper like the
High North Upper countries, but.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Those stories or whatever. That's the other thing that I've
often wondered about is every area has a legend and
these stories and everything else are influenced from something. I'm
not saying that they're all true, but something had to
influence their original legend of these creatures. Like up in

(31:45):
my area, like an hour or so north of here,
there is the Cherubusco turtle. It's this big, supposedly giant
turtle that was living in this pond. Heard about that, Yeah,
And now do I think there's a turtle that's the
size of a pickup truck?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
No, but.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Clearly there was a big turtle in there, because they
have a festival about this turtle and there's a story
of this big giant turtle. Now how big was a turtle?
Who really knows? But why is there a story? And
I've heard stories from people before. They talk about a catfish.
It was the size of a volkswagon of all things.
To mention, they called it the size of a like

(32:28):
the mouth was like the size of a volkswagon's front
end hood, like when you open up the hood. Yeah,
it was like, that's big enough to swallow a person.
And they clai, that's how big these catfish were down
at the bottom of this dam. So it's a fish story.
Is that meaning getting blown out of proportions probably, but
fish they saw something like how big really was it?

(32:50):
Who knows. But again, the Native Americans had the stories
of the window goes, they've had the stories of Bigfoot,
They've had the stories of other creatures, Like what were
they seen that made the stories. There's cave paintings of
creatures like this, they've hell, they've had cave pains as
things look like aliens. Yeah, so they had to have

(33:11):
seen something to influence that.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah. I think that's that's why a lot of people
really go back to that ultraterrestrial thing. It's like I
think that's like, as interesting as it is, I feel
like it's like an easy out is to go with
the ultraterrustrial things, because it's like the way the way
I understand the main way, it's like, you know we
talked about Earlier's like they can just be whatever, they
take the form whatever. I feel like that's just kind
of like the easy out for It's like, oh, they

(33:37):
saw an ultraterrestrial it took the form of a you know,
catfish or what it may be. And that's always kind
of felt like the like cheap to me, the ultraterustrial
thing but again, like I don't really have a deep
of a knowledge of it, so I could be just
oversimplifying what ultraterrestrials are, but like speaking of like local

(34:01):
like legends, Like I had a friend of mine, his
name Star Cruisers what he goes under on Instagram, and
he's an artist. He goes to all the cryptic conventions
things like that, and he does this series of prints
that he makes and they're basically like folklore maps of states,
super well made detailed pieces of art. And he made
me one for Ohio, the Hio Cryptid Folklore Map. And

(34:24):
like I always remember, like my grandma was like not
like a monster person, not like a cryptid person like that.
Like even at a young age, she would always tell
me about like her her thing was like the grass Man.
That's what she always tell me, Like if you go
past the fence, the grassman get you. If you're out
past dark, the Grassman get you. Like you know, that
was kind of the boogeyman to keep me in line,

(34:46):
was the grass Man. And the Grassman is basically just
Southern Ohio's version of Bigfoot, Like that's all it is,
Like you you read about it, It's just Bigfoot. But
forever reason we call it the grassman, and reason we
call it grassmans because people hunters would find these like
grass nests, like little huts and like fields, and that's

(35:10):
supposed to be like grassman layers. That's what the grassman
would be. But then like also like up north above Columbus,
they call Bigfoot orange eyes. That's what they call him.
So he's orange eyed because he has these orange eyes
at cloet nite. So like things like that, I have
always been like interesting too, like the local legends. But

(35:31):
like even that, that's that's the same thing that people
in different areas have just decided to call different things.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
You know, I talked to someone before and I didn't
think about this until afterwards. But I don't know of
other primates that's eyes reflect like you see how other
animals like when your headlights hit on, their eyes are reflecting. Yeah,
so someone yeah, someone said, like, well, Bigfoot's eyes are
glowing because light hits them. But some people report the

(36:01):
eyes are just glowing in general. So that means there
has to be like an internal luminous and somehow, which
doesn't make it doesn't make any sort of sense. But
they claim human's eyes don't do that though. Well, no,
our eyes don't glow. But think about when you used
to take pictures, the old polaroid pictures and the old
cameras or whatever. How many times have people's eyes turn

(36:23):
red in those photos. Yeah, so our eyes were reflecting
that light somehow, and it reflected like that red color.
So when people say Bigfoot has red eyes, like they
shine light, that eyes were glowing red. I've thought about
that now. Recently. I was like, well, if we take
a photo, our eyes looked red, So I guess that

(36:43):
makes sense to me now that maybe they do reflect
red if they're a humanoid type of a creature.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
This is it interesting too, like the glowing eye aspect,
Like how much it's associated with cryptids like in general, mm,
like if you look at like Mothman, like the eyes
go red. I think even like the goblins, like their
eyes were glowing like yellow.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
It's a very common thing because I think even the
the flat Woods monster.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Uh, it had a bulbous head, but they think it
was on a helmet, but it had I think like
yellow glowing eyes too.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, I have a eastern hawk. The guy does your
dumbnail and have his collection of prints in my office,
and that's who I'm looking AT's what I'm looking at
it right now. For the eyes is the goblins I have,
the flat woods, the Jersey devil. Yeah, it's interesting how
much that's associated with with cryptois in general, because like

(37:43):
I don't know if like any animals like I guess,
I guess natural animals that have eyes that glow, and
like what that mechanism even is to cause a glow,
like you're saying, it had to be some sort of
internal iluminescence.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
For the only thing that I can think of is
there's been some sort of a quad fish that have
like a bioluminescence. And the only thing up here that
I can think of is like fireflies, lightning bugs.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, that's not the only thing I can think of
as well. I've never really thought about that until as
we start talking about here about just how much that's
associated with cryptosis in general. It's these the glowing eyes.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
I've heard that a lot with people talking about dog
man stuff too, is that their eyes were glowing like
a yellow color, and some said that they've always had
like an amber color. Someone also told me their eyes
were like a blue, which someone actually recently, I'm trying
to get an interview set up with them, but I
don't want to dive into their thing. But they claim
they ran into something years back and it's eyes were

(38:44):
like a blue color.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Wow, that's pretty unique. So usually see like the rats
and the yellows.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
So I don't know when it comes to the eye thing,
is weird when you think.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
About it, isn't I don't know if maybe if like
maybe just me, like I feel like the whole dog
Man thing is like like more of a like a
recent thing that people started to come up with, or
like not come up with. I mean like like talk
about like I feel like for the longest time, like
I never really heard about dog Man, And it seems
like in like the maybe like the last like ten

(39:17):
years or so, it's become this like huge, huge thing.
I know, like even a lot of people are like
even going back and looking at like past Bigfoot signings
and kind of re evaluating them, be like, oh, that
was actually a dog man because you know, the movements
like that. But it's it's like always kind of like

(39:38):
I guess I've always thought about here the last few years,
like it seems like a newer phenomenon to me here, like, uh,
maybe a phenomena just got more so brought to the
forefront than it was before.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
I think the name dog man is more of a
recent thing far as that. But I know in two
thousand and seven when I looked into it, it was
the first time I'd ever heard of someone said as
a Michigan dog man. And Michigan dog Man was a
song from the eighties that was made as a joke.
But the joke of that was the dog Man to

(40:11):
come get you whatever. It's like a Halloween April fool
joke or something like. I don't remember what exactly what
it was. But there was been reports of these things
for hundreds of years because people used to call them werewolves.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
So that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah, the term of werewolve's been around for a very
long time, Like they had werewolf trials back in France,
I think, like the seventeen hundreds. So but are they
people turning into werewolves or were these just these things
that were actually out there and they were accusing people
of it.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
I don't know if someone can actually manifest themselves into
a bipedal wolf creature, but who knows.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
But have like the Beast of Ray Road. That's like
really infamous one. Is that like a that's a dog
man creature? Right, Yeah, that is.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
I think one of the more popular ones. And I
don't know exactly what year that happened. I'm a justly
about to google it, but I know it was made
popular because of the book that the lady had wrote.
My old band actually had a song called the Beast
of Bray Road.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Nice, like I remember that. And then but here in Ohio,
like we have, like I know, there's a few dog
man sightings that people have I not like brought up
like not recently, people have like resurfaced like dog man
sightings from like the upper Upper West corridor of Ohio.

(41:41):
There's been like there's like a few infamous dog man sightings.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
This claims and this is Wikipedia, so anyone out there
can I think what they want. But the first alleged
sighting was on two consecutive nights in nineteen thirty six.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Okay, so that's been a that's a while ago, yeah,
and it says it was one hundred years ago.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Yeah, and then there was more that happened obviously in
the eighties and then in the nineties.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
And then.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Apparently in two thousand and five there was a movie
which I didn't know there was a movie, and then.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
It's pretty bad. It's a veried a little bunch of movie.
And then there was an that's the first time I
heard about it.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
The Linda Godfrey book came out, and then yeah, so,
but I think it became more popularized probably within the
last ten to fifteen years. But I know, I know
it was been around because of when I when I

(42:50):
started my journey down this rabbit hole, it was because
of that, and I'd reported what I had saw and
someone had said I seen a Michigan dog man. So
I don't personally believe in this type of stuff. I
didn't believe in this type of stuff, but yet I
know what I saw, So that's kind that's why I

(43:12):
do what I do, because I've been searching for answers
for eighteen years now.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Have you looked at like the Land between the Lakes
stuff I have.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
And there's a lot of different things too that I've
actually spoken with a little bit. I've talked to Martin Groves.
He had a lot of stuff that happened to him there.
And then there's this guy that supposedly lived through this attack,
and a lot of people say it's not true. Yes,
I've tried to google any sort of reports and all

(43:41):
sorts of things. I've never been able to find any
real conclusive evidence that there's ever been any sort of
random attacks or murders or any animal attacks out there.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
At least there's a really good documentary, you know, small
Town Monsters. You familiar with those guys, Yeah, know who
they are? Yeah, they they did American Werewolves. That was Uh.
That one's about the or has a pretty heavy focus
on the LBL. Or maybe it's the like the they
always do, like the main documentary then they always do

(44:15):
like the like sub documentaries they put on YouTube. One
of those like fully focused on LBL, and it was
very interesting. They had the like one of the guys
who was like very into it, who's who lives out
that way and he like talks about how he had
an encounter with uh, him and him and his friend

(44:35):
were out hunting and basically they were both they split
up to do their hunting and they each had like
separate encounters with separate creatures. Like he was basically being
stalked by a dog man while his friend was being
stalked by a sasquatch and as they as they met,
they found that these things were actually working together and

(44:57):
they were like kind of like hunting them. And and
that's always fascinating to me, is like, because I've always
kind of read that these two early they're like two
contentious creatures, like it's like big Foot versus dog man
kind of thing. But it was very interesting to hear
him talk about how like it was almost like they
were working together, like the Bigfoot, we're leading the dog.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Man, right, Yea, that was that's Martin Grow That's what
I just mentioned a little bit. Okay, yeah, that's uh.
He was a retired police officer now but wow, Yeah,
I talked to him at Cryptid Cohn back in November.
But I'd love to get him on the show. But
he's not one that does podcasts too often. He's been

(45:39):
on one or two other shows, but he's had the
books that came out and everything else.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
But he is.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
He was in that American her Wolves documentary.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
That must be the one, thinking of the American where
was one? Because yeah, they put out so much stuff.
I get confused with a lot of their their things.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
They the first podcast that ever had heard was on
Wes's show Sasquatch Chronicles, and it was the episode where
the judge was also in that American were Wolves was
talking about how he was being stalked by a dog man.
And when I first heard that episode, this is back

(46:18):
in twenty twenty as one of the I think it
was twenty twenty, is like one of the new episodes
that came out, I was like, I didn't know there
was podcast out there that talked about this type of stuff,
because especially dog Man, Because now I want to start listening.
And that's how I got on this whole podcast kick
because I wasn't even really into podcasting, know, like I
used to do band stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
But this is.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Fascinating to me that people are talking about seeing something
that for all these years that I've been trying to
rationalize what I actually saw. So that's how I went
down my rabbit hole for all these years, because you
don't talk about it with people like you tell people
you've seen a bipedal dog, wolf man whatever walk across

(47:01):
the road and they're gonna think you're what drugs were
you doing? Were you drunk? Like No, I wasn't. It's like,
so how do you have those conversations. And it's why
I wanted to give people the opportunity to come on
this show and talk about things like this, because it
helps me feel better about what I had seen and
helps me give them a place to talk about us

(47:23):
so they don't have to feel like I did for
all those years.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Yeah, that's that's like the perfect way to do it.
So I mean that that is kind of the thing,
is that stigma people have haxic. You always got to wonder, like,
as far as many people who have came out and said,
like I've seen these things, how many people are just
too afraid to say it or you know, you don't
want to seem crazy and it kept to themselves for years?
And how many of these like legends have died with

(47:47):
people who have seen these things and just were never
comfortable enough to come out and say it or you know,
talk about it. It's it's it's crazy that there's you know,
the amount of stories are out there, There's got be
more that's people have kept kept back in their mind.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
I've had people come up to me recently at these
events that I've been at and they will make comments
about you share what I happened to me. I was like, hey,
I'm always wanted to hear like any time you want
to talk about it, and you're like maybe another time
and they walk off, but like, okay, well what happened
to you?

Speaker 2 (48:24):
What did you see?

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Like, don't come up and mentioned this to me, because
then you're like, hey, now I want to know. Like,
trust me, I'm not going to think you're crazy just
because I've heard a lot of crazy things on here.
But I'm one of those people. I'm not going to
believe every single thing, but I'm not going to just
write it off because I think people are actually seeing something.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, talking about experiences like
the experience I had when I was I was younger,
Like it wasn't like anything like traumatic or you know, grandiose,
but I remember it stuck out to me for all
these years, which you know, that's that's something that's always
stuck out to me, is that all these years past,
this is always something that's just resonated with me. Is

(49:06):
you grew up so other Higo, it's very rural, you know,
middle of nowhere. I live in this little town that's
just as deep in the wood as you can get
or deep in the countries as you can get and
you know, no no post office, no stop, stop light
something like that, just farm country just as far as
you can see, hills, creeks all that. And uh, there's

(49:29):
this road that was by my house and it was
called Frost Road and it was like basically an old
like it wasn't a logging road, but it was just
this road that, uh it went to a dairy farm basically,
so all these dairy trucks would take it just all
the time. It's very beat up, very just covered with
the trees. And uh, that's where we would wait on
the bus, Like me and this kid who lived on

(49:50):
the other side of Frost Road. We would meet there
and we'd wait on the bus. And I always remember
we were sitting there and I would have been probably
in sixth grade, I think I was, and we were
weight on the bus. It was in the fall, and
we hear like a whistle down like behind us, and
we turned down and look down this this Frost Road

(50:14):
and it was not like super far away, but not
close to us either. You know, it was where we
couldn't make out any features, but we could see that
it was something. So we see this, you know, this
shadow man shaped figure walk out of the woods and
there's a cow pasture and it just like one steps

(50:35):
over the cow pastron and just walks off into the woods.
And that was something that was to me, that was
something I'd never seen before, like especially a cow fence
like you know, grown on a farm, Like I know,
these fences aren't something you step over, like they're made
to keep steer from getting over them. And for this

(50:57):
thing to just like whatever it was, to just one
step over and walk off. And then like years later,
the whistle really resonated with me too, because I had
always thought of that's it's a minor part of it.
But then as you get deeper in like the Bigfoot
mythology and lore, like the whistle is like a very
prominent piece of that, I think, because that is kind

(51:17):
of a Bigfoot call.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Basically, I don't know of other primates. I thought chimpanzees
made like a whistle type of a sound. I'm not sure, but.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Yeah, yeah they will. It's like it's not like a
I've heard it before, but it's not like it's not
like how whistle like we would do, Like you know,
we're making like a tune. It's just kind of like
a I guess hard to explain, but yeah, that's always
resonated with me, is that that whistle, because that's what
got our attention, like turning around seeing this and it

(51:54):
was early in the morning, Like I never seen anything
like that before, Like in all the years I've waited
on the school bus at that at that spot, Like
never had I ever seen anyone down there, like any
reason why. And it wasn't like a hunter or something,
because there was no rifle. It wasn't like that sort
of look to it. It was just this thing that
walked out, stepped over the fence and just kept walking

(52:16):
in the woods, like about skipping a beat. Like I
always remember that step over the fence.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
How high up do you think the fence was so a.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Count I guess a pasture fence. To me, it would
probably be like four at four foot.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
I would say they're usually about four feet.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yeah, about four feet about where it beaks, Like if
you stand against one, it's usually right your chest and
will blow your chest.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Yeah, that's what I got out back for the goats,
and I'd say it's about four foot.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah for it just like step over and just keep
walking up through the pasture and up into the woods
and just disappeared. And like that stuck with me, and
like I remember like that day, like telling my friends
at school and then I got off the bus, like
telling my dad about it. You know, like it like
stuck me that whole day, and like it just never
left me, Like it was something always like stuck with me.

(53:05):
And I remember, like I always from that day on,
I like what very I was very wary about playing
in our backyard because that's where the pasture was. So
I was very wary about playing in our backyard. So
it like just kind of like freaked me out.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
For the longest time, there's been reports from people like
with the whistling, they've heard it out in the woods,
and there's the and the appellations or whatever. They claim
if you hear whistling in the woods, don't whistle back? Yes, again,
where did that come from?

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Right?

Speaker 3 (53:37):
That's yeah, That's where when I always hear these things,
I'm just thinking like, Okay, well there's this urban legend.
Well what's start at the urban legend? Why can't you
whistle back? And then they claim when you hear voices
in the woods, don't go after if you hear someone
yelling help in the woods, don't go out there, Like
what happens if it actually was someone that needed help.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
They die because you thought it was he thought.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
Yeah. But that's where I kind of come back to
all this stuff though, is why are we telling people
nowadays not to do this stuff? So what happened before
it made people say, oh, you don't want to go
out there if you hear whistling there was, don't go
look for it, don't whistle back?

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Like what happened to the person who did whistle back?
Like what was the cautionary what's the cautionary reasoning behind that?
Like did someone whistle back? And what happened to him
to to treate this? Not to do that?

Speaker 3 (54:30):
If something killed them, they wouldn't be warning to anybody,
so how would they know? They whistled and then they
just never returned. So the unless someone was with them,
We're like, I'm gonna look for this whistle and they
never came back. Then I guess that's how it would spread.
But if it doesn't happen that way, then I don't
know what these urban legends came from. But that's just
how my brain operates. I'm always trying to figure out

(54:50):
why things are going on.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, trying to find that that that that solid uh,
that solid grounding for it. It's it's something I like,
I think everyone kind of wants, like everyone that's into
this stuff, like you do want that that solid ground,
that solid basis for it, because you want that that
that shred of validity because it's such a you know,

(55:15):
scoff that science or scoff that topic that you want
just some shred of validity that you can have for
these people who question it because it's it's a continuously
questioned and it will always be questioned because like we
talked about way earlier, it's like there's no definitive proof
until there's like a body brought forth like that's that's
Bigfoot is always going to be a theory. It's always

(55:35):
going to be a boogeyman or a ghost story. It's
just that's what it is until that solid proof. Like
you know, people can bring all the like hair samples
and fecal samples and uh casts and all that all
they want, but there's always going to be that overwhelming
doubt that will be cast on it because it's not
the you know body.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Right, and I've said this and it probably makes some
people mad, but if I ever get an opportunity again
to see a humanoid walking canine in the road, I'm
not going to swerve to miss it. I'm going to
hit it. I'm going to get my proof. And that
is what's going to happen. So for anyone that wants

(56:17):
to hate me, that's fine. You can hate me, but
I'm getting the proof.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
I think there's like these they're like they're like these
like big foot hunting groups. I think, yeah, like mountain monsters,
not like what they do.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Yeah, I've talked to some of those guys. The TV
show is and I'm not going to knock on their
nice guys or whatever, but the TV show is definitely
a TV show.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Yeah, it's pretty bonkers. I've seen the clips of it.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
It's pretty Yeah, they're wild, they're nice dudes, whatever, But
the show itself is not legit. And yeah, I honestly
don't think there's anything on television being produced right now
that is one hundred percent real. It's all for entertainment purposes,
which I struggle with as a podcaster, which I struggle

(57:04):
with saying I'm a podcaster for a long time, but
I'm looking for answers and people listen for entertainment purposes.
So for me, I'm like, well, I'm not trying to
be an entertainer, but technically this is what I'm doing,
so I have to embrace that aspect of it as well.
But for me, I'm I'm on that Fox Molder quest

(57:27):
for the truth.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Yeah, that's that's why I've always kind of that's like
my guys as pokesmorre, so I always kind of associated
with that, like just that that push for the truth,
like I just want to know what it is out there.
But then there was always a part of me it's
like I don't want to like disappoint myself and find

(57:49):
that it's because like even like don't with the X Files,
like the arc that Fox has where he finds that
things aren't exactly what he thinks they are, and you
know that that crushing, that crushing realization has in a
few few seasons, and that that's always like kind of
harmed me too. It's like I don't want that crushing
realization that maybe things aren't what I what I think

(58:10):
they are. Like I like the mystery of it. I
like the unknown aspect of it, and partially because I
do believe so much in it that I don't I
don't want that to go away. I don't want to
have to evercome realization. And maybe maybe it isn't real.
But you know, in the same way we're talking about
the disproving a bigfoot, like, you'll never be able to

(58:32):
fully disprove it either because there is no no body
or nothing is. It's you're taking people's belief in it,
and that's what that's what we have. That's that's what
we're basing all this on.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Right, Well, we've been going on for about an hour
and we can probably wrap this up. Before we do.
I want to talk a little bit about your book.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Yeah, absolutely, It's called Monstrous. It's available now on Amazon
on paperback and ebook. It's a story I want to
tell for a long time. I started out with a
idea that I had for like a short film. Me.
My friends made short films when we were younger, and

(59:15):
we just you know, buy cheap Halloween costumes and you know,
full round in the woods or whatever. But yeah, it's
called Monsters. It's a sasquatch book. It's basically the I
I've told people many times, it's it's written for me
as as a teenager, Like that's what I wrote it
for because I know, like when I was younger, like

(59:38):
there was a certain type of story I always wanted
to find and I never could And I struggled for
a really long time for being able to lock into
a book and read novels because of just things not
really lining up what I wanted to be. So it's, uh,
basically the idea is Bigfoot versus YETI like, that's that's
the core basis of the story. But it's got a

(01:00:01):
lot of heart. It's deeply personal to me. It's more
than just a schlocky creature feature. It's an action adventure
novel a lot of character, and it's just the story
I always want to tell.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Basically, how long did it take you to write it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
I started it back in October the week of Halloween
last year, because I had the I took that week
off from work, so I was like, I want to
start this novel, Like I basically just told myself, like
I've started so many times, and I feel like I'm
mature now. I feel like I have an understanding of story,
I have a grasp on you know, how to utilize

(01:00:46):
my time. So I just made a point I wanted
to finish it before my birthday, and my birthday was
December eleventh. So I took a month and two weeks,
month and a half write it the first draft, and
then it was just drafting, redrafting, redrafting at that because
like the first draft is unreleasable, but I just got

(01:01:09):
it on paper. That was the main thing I had
to finish it. And then after that was they would
go through revise, revise, you know, did beta reader sessions notes,
had a bunch of will look at it to kind
of fleshed out and make it into like the story
I wanted it to be awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
I wish I would have done that when I got
to bur up my ass to write something, I wrote
it all. I wrote it all over a weekend and
I ended up releasing it and then I used Google
Gemini and I think Chatty to format stuff and I
used like Microsoft Word and it changed things and things.
I didn't proofread it, and I don't even talk about

(01:01:50):
it now because it's kind of embarrassing, like it's still
on Amazon, but like, yeah, it's the story that I
wanted to tell, but it rewarded a lot of stuff different.
I'd say about about ninety percent is me, the other
ten percent is whatever it wanted to reward it as
I was like, and I just feel like it's not
authentic anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
I thought I was. I remember finishing the first draft
and I was like, it's good to go. Like I
wrote it, it's it's ready to release. And I had
read online, you know, I'd kind of looked on forum.
It's about people who started writing, and that was one
thing he says, is like, your first draft is never
gonna be releasable. Like one of the things people kept

(01:02:33):
saying was like write it, finish it, wait a week,
read it yourself. I did that and I had just
found like this reading the first couple of chapters, I
found so many mistakes. Fix those, and I thought, now
it's releasable, and I decided to go to beta reader route.
I had a few friends who I trust, like, you know,

(01:02:53):
one say teacher, so I was like, that's that's a
good one to go to. One went to school for screenwriting,
so I was like, that's that's who I want to
go through for story. And then one of my buddies,
I talked about crypt and stuff. I was like, that's
my every main audience, so some to them and like
each one of I'm just found things and you know,
gave me notes and I'm so happy with the final

(01:03:15):
product because it's like truly the story I want to tell.
Like the original draft I had was, you know, the
story on paper, like that was getting on paper. But
over the beta reader session and rewriting, I think the
revision at released as like Revision twelve. It's like the
final revision that became releasable, and I'm just so happy

(01:03:39):
with the way it turned out and just I really
think people will enjoy it. It's been doing pretty good.
I've it's been out for a week now as of
recording and it's it's it's been really well and starting
to do more marketing with it, just getting it out
there right now. I feel like it's kind of in
that it's in like my immediate bubble, so I'm trying

(01:04:01):
to get past that to get it out to a
wider audience because it's just a story, like I think
a lot of people will enjoy, people have fun with.
It's just enjoyable read.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
I will make sure for anyone listening that I'll put
a link in my show notes for them to click
on it then go check it out. Is it available
in paperback or is it an e book?

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Like, Yeah, it's paperback in e book, Yeah, paperback is
I preferred. I'm a physical media guy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
I am too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Yeah. I love my my DVDs, vhs do is all that,
so I push for that. An incredible cover. Check out
the cover. It's original art piece and it's it's just
it all came together so perfectly. I'm so happy to
finally have this out.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Again. I will make sure for anyone listening if you're
interested in check it out, It'll be in the show
notes for you. But I think we can go ahead
and wrap this one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Up absolutely, And you guys can follow me on Instagram
at tile Alexander Rights, and I have a website, Tilexander
Rights dot com. You can follow me there for updates
and links and things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
I'll make sure to include those two perfect Altai. It's
been a pleasure talking with.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
You, absolutely, Brandon, it's been great. I'm always down for
a good conversation about cryptids and high strangeness and all that,
and this was definitely a treat, so I really appreciate
you having me on.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Not a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
You have a good night you as well. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
If you'd like to be a guest on tenfoil Tels,
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go to the contact section. Make sure to follow me
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comes at a cost. Are you willing to pay the price?

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
I've heard a story be laid last night about something
alert along a wood line, huge foot princh, strange lights
in the sky. They claim it's nothing, but I know
they light it sees your laugh to laugh in my face.

(01:06:20):
But something about this makes me say, what if it's real?

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
What if they knew?

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
What if the answers are coming from you, spending stores,
wasting mine time? Hearing boy it says?

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Is it all in their minds?

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
They can call me crazy, but I just want them through.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
What if it's true?

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
What if it's really?

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
What if it's true?

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
What if the worlds not what we knew?

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Jim or tell blend me a.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Story that starts where the lives is.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
What if it's real?

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
What if it's true.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
The answers are waiting.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
They're waiting for you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
They see if the dog man walking, or maybe am
offman flies. I love the very giants hidden beneath the lies.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
They say, it's just stories, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
All they believe, the fairy tale sport of things we
can't perceive.

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
They want to keep us blindly.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
They won't break our wheel.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
But I'm not buying it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
I'm not slowing another pill, forest fed poison. The lies
were made.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
To what if the truth could set us free?

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
The alien SuDS traveling through time secret space protograms are
racing their minds. They call them.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Crazy, But I just need some proof. What if it's true?

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
What if it's real? What if it's true? What the
worlds not?

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
What we do?

Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
Ten foil tells, believe me in a story that starts
where the logic iss.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
What if it's read? What if it's true?

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
The cancers are waiting, They're weighed in for you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
They they lie.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
We all be die.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
The signs are there if you open your eyes. The
aliens cricked its demon's ghost, the depled them two. What
if it's me?

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
Or what if it What if it's real? What if
it's true? What if the world's not what we do?
Ten foil tell, Believe me a story that starts where
the logic can.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
What if it's re What if it's true.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
The cancers are waiting, they're weighing for you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
It's all in our heads, it's always our bindings.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
These voices can be silence.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
The truth must rise.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
Temple Tell, it's pulling me true?

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
What if it's reading?

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
What if it's true.