Ep. 219: The Secret Origin of Crop Circles

Welcome back to Tinfoil Tales! On this episode I talk with someone who makes crop circles but there could be a lot more behind them than just people making them for hoaxes.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
And I just turned around and I call ass out
of there.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I was done.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
I wasn't deal with them.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
that turned me.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Away the quickest.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
When I turned my head lights on, it turned and
looked at us. And one of the things I remember
the most where the eyes were going red. I see
an orb of light. It is just circling these steps
like it is waiting for me.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
They're basically like, what are you talking about.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,
and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle,
nose and the eyes as soon as I made eye contact.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Thing if don't wake Death, Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells.
I'm your host Brandon. Today we were joined by my
guest d d. Thanks for being here.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
That's a pleasure. Brandon, thanks so much.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Would you like to let the audience know a little
bit about yourself before we get into it.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
I run a substack called it Can't Be People, which
addresses events occurring around human made crop circles that really
do sort of enter into the paranormal and high strangeness
and overlap with uthology. And I've been interviewing circle makers
human circle makers over the past eight years and just

(01:44):
collating their accounts, which I then put for free on
my substack.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
It'll probably be a book at.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
This at some stage, but in the meantime it's garnering
a lot of interest because people don't really understand about
this element of the mystery.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Right.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Crop circles has been something that's interested me for years,
even as a little kid. So this is something that
I've been looking forward to talking.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
To you about. Yeah, that's mutual.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, yeah, I mean we probably started from the same place, mate,
because my interest is uthology, and I was brought up
in the Golden age of like Jack Vaie and John
Keel and Jenny Randalls and John Spencer, all of the
seventies and eighties, really great literature. And when we started

(02:29):
to see we had UFO casebooks over here where every
year you'd have details of sightings relevant throughout the world
and throughout Europe and the UK. But then we started
to see reports of these crop circles, and in those
days they were very very simple, single circle events, or

(02:51):
they were just single circles with maybe satellite circles around
them that looked like UFO landing gear from the Day
of the Earth did still are a B movie. They all
look like landed vessels, okay, and the polemic and the
reports were reported as such they did look like landed UFOs.
And the president was the tually nests from Australia in

(03:15):
the seventies that looked like landed UFOs, but that was
in grass, because were you having them in crop? Because
the crops higher, the ended nations were more pronounced. And
then the polemic changed in about nineteen ninety where we
saw the now legendary led Zeppelin Remasters cover, which I'm

(03:35):
sure you know about, which was more like like a
corridor with interlocking circles and forks and door keys. Now,
at that point the landed UFO polemic should really have
just been obliterated, because no UFO looks like that.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
But because the imagery and the.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Connection between UFOs and crop circles had become so ingrained
within the public side key, we have this clunky transition
where people said, well, that's not a landed UFO, it's
a message from our space brothers instead.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
If that makes sense to you.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Yeah, well, if you would like to dive into what
you've researched, I'll turn it over to you and then
if I got any questions, I'll ask as we go along.
But I try not dinnerrupt people too much.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
No, really, that's fine.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
That that's that's I've done loads and loads of these
things and that's the best way to do it. I understand.
The reason why I have to remain anonymous today is
because there's there's there's three reasons. The first reason is
that corrupt circle making is illegal in the UK. It's
not actually a criminal police matter, but it's a civil

(04:45):
suit if the farmer chooses to take you know, action,
because it's it's criminal damage no matter no matter how
pretty the circle is. It's criminal damage. It's trespassed and
it's vandalism. And there's no statute of limitations in this country.
So even though I retired from making ten years ago,
if I get linked to a circle I could still

(05:06):
potentially be in trouble.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
The second reason is.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
This isn't about the personalities and the circle makers themselves.
It's more about the stories and the anecdotes and the
accounts speaking rather than the artist, and we prefer for
it not to be about personalities, and we prefer for
the art to be speaking. The third reason is this
is a highly highly contentious viewpoint or avenue that it's

(05:36):
not a viewpoint, it's actually how things are. It's a
highly contentious narrative I'll be giving you today, and I
have a wonderful life outside of this, and I don't
really want that to be encroached upon people that don't
really follow what the narrative is.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Now.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
My belief was always in as I said, upology, and
when I started to see the these crop circles appearing
in the case books, I didn't realize how close Wiltshire
because that's where they were appearing. I didn't realize how
close Wiltshire was to where I lived in London.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
And when I did.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Realize, I just got in the car and just drove
down and started to visit these things. Our sort of
bible at the time and still is the Crop Circle
Connector website, which tells you where that where the events are,
and where the circles are, and I imagine that I'm
probably where a lot of your listeners are in that.

(06:34):
I always thought that this was some sort of nhi
or it was something connected to you, to UFOs, or
to military testing, or to Geia or to mother Earth.
We didn't for a second consider that they were human made,
because the ones that we did see that were human
made were normally really wonky and really badly done.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
And I'll come on to why that is soon.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
So if I was to go and do a field
trip and visit and visit ten circles, if I knew
that two of those were man made, I just wouldn't bother, okay.
And I held the circle makers in the same contempt
that I am sure that some of your listeners will
will hold me. And that's fine, okay, because we thought

(07:22):
the mystery was deep enough without these pranksters and these
hoaxes coming in and just muddy in the waters. I
always used the analogy of the magician with the balls
under the cups. You know, there's three cups, one ball,
and then these idiots come and add another ten cups.
So I visited the circles, but the Moro Moro went

(07:44):
to visit Wiltshire. I started to hang about where the
circles were made, and I used to go to the
gift shops and the related places like avery and Stonehenge,
all these ancient, you know, really special sites. Started to
hear stories from human circle makers, who, as I said,
I had complete disdain for. But I started to hear

(08:07):
stories of strangeness. I was hearing stories of like time
shifts and UAPs and dream driven events, intense intense synchronicities
and stuff that was all going around the creative process.
And then I was overheard one day saying, I don't

(08:30):
care how the circles got there. I'm more concerned about
what they do. I the magic that they instill into
the land, and the people that you know, report all
these wonderful experiences. I was overheard saying that, and a
circle maker said to me, look, we've been watching you
for a while. We think that you're probably aligned to
what we're doing. We started a circle last night, but

(08:54):
we didn't finish it. Would you like to come out
and do the rest with us? And of course I
jumped at it. But I did promise myself that if
I didn't encounter any of the paranormal or you know,
really odd stuff that I'd been hearing about and reading about,
I probably would put it all down to lies and

(09:17):
fabrications and people padding their part.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
And I promised myself. I would never do it again.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Now, we went in to finish this circle and nothing
happened at all, and I thought, Okay, this is all
a bunch of bs. It's just these people, you know,
fabricator making themselves look big. They're just hoasters. It's not
the real phenomenon. It's just a wasted my time. And

(09:43):
we finished the circle, and the second that we finished it,
I saw this single like magnesium flare at the end
of the field, which looked like an old polaroid flash
bowl from one of those old cameras. And I was
very paranoid because i'd, as I do now quarest principal job.
And I just said to the team leader, I said,
people are taking pictures of us. We've had and it

(10:05):
was becoming daylight. It was about three fifteen by this point.
I said, we've had it. They're taking pictures, but that
this is going to go on. I'm going to get
a criminal record. That's going to affect my job. And
he went, no, don't worry, and I said, what do
you mean. He was really blase a because he'd made
loads and loads of circles. And then I watched this
flash and it kept appearing and then this flash turned

(10:26):
into it proliferated into five flashes, then ten, then fifteen,
and then it was like thirty of these l like
magnesium flares, like UAPs at waste level, which I'd ever
seen before in the literature. And it sprinkled itself around
the circle from the left and right right round the circle.

(10:46):
So we had this proliferation of lights, which I describe
in my substack as the biggest necklace in the world.
And I said to the team leader, what the hell
is that? And he says, look, that's just us being told.
It's a little random applause. We're being told that the
circle's finished and not to do anything else to it

(11:08):
because we might mess it up, like a painting where
you do too much. And then he looked up at
the sky and he said, okay, we're finished. Now it's yours.
It's all yours. What that means is that for as
long as we're making a circle, it's ours, but the
second we leave it, it doesn't belong to us anymore.
And he said, okay, we're going now, thank you very much.

(11:29):
And the second is said that these lights just went off,
every single one. The whole thing was like someone had
switched a light switch, and that's when I became hooked.
And then the second time I made a circle, we
had a pink uap appeared just as we did the
first stump mark, and it appeared for the duration of
the circle and then blinked out once it finished. Now

(11:52):
that's when I started to become hooked, and I started
to make them regularly, and strangeness didn't happen every time
brand and I mean every circle would be eventful, something
funny might happen or something amusing. But as far as
high strangeness, I only had it about forty to fifty
percent of the time.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
But every time I did it was really really odd.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
And that's the message that I'm trying to put across
and trying to say to people. Don't disregard human circles
because there is a high strangeness element, especially when they're
placed in these very very old ancient Neolithic and Megalithic
sites like Stonehenge and Avery, where our four bears have
been created like thousands of years before us.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Those places that they've been creating on thatt like you
mentioned Stone Hinge, those sites obviously meant something to the
ancient peoples that built them in the first place, you.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Know, absolutely, I mean it goes deeper than that. I mean,
I'm not sure how you are aware of how much
you are aware of. Yat Vee's work basically says that
what we now report as UFOs were being reported as
fairy lights in medieval times and religious lights before that.
Whatever it is that is here in this area Brandon

(13:13):
has existed with us, probably since our inception. And I
think that our four bears were far more tapped in
to whatever it is that we've now forgotten because of
our technocratic age.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
And I think that we are just.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
We've just inherited the work of our four bears by mistake.
None of this is by design. Whereas where they were
building in stone and rock and most things have existed
for four thousand, you know, six thousand years. Our things
are like temporary temples that only exist for a couple
of weeks before they're cut out by the farmer. But
it is interesting that when I do collate these strange

(13:54):
reports from circle makers, they too tend to dissipate the
further that I get away from the key nealithic sites.
And I've spoken to Italian artists and French artists, and
I've said to them, I'm looking for strange reports by
my sub stack in this book, and Brandon, they haven't

(14:14):
got anything at all. There's no strangeness at all, which
just seems to be related to where our ancient ancestors
were doing the same sort of thing thousands and thousands
a year ago.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
I've often wondered when it came to crop circles, because
over here in America when I was growing up, everyone said, oh,
they're made. People did it, There's not anything about it.
You get some of these really in depth looking ones
like it. The thought of a person creating them in

(14:49):
a matter of a few hours just didn't seem realistic,
just because of how intricate the designs were. But I
think you guys have them over there in the UK too,
very like highly detailed ones. And obviously when someone did it,
you're going to have the people to jump on the
bandwagons and they go and make their own and everything else.

(15:09):
But there are instances over here where they've been found
with weird traces of radiation.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, we've Yeah, there's two things to consider there. Firstly,
when they started to become more and more intricate, in
the nineties, and as the artists got better and better
and better and they got onto like the fantastic stuff
that was happening from about sort of nineteen ninety two onwards.
I always thought, same as you, how the hell can too,

(15:40):
because we had this thing of like Doug and Dave,
where we had these two old guys that come and
confess to the whole thing. You know, there's certain questions
I've got about that whole that whole episode. So we
had this trope. Then oh, it's a couple of piss
blakes coming home from the pub. Now what you've got
to consider is that when you see a really bad

(16:01):
Crop Circle, okay, it's probably a new team starting out okay,
and they haven't got a clue what they're doing. And
I always equated to Nirvana, you know, so that Nirvana
when they started, they could rehearse in the garage and
not be and not be seen for six months and
just make as many crap mos as you know, they
could be rubbish, but they don't go out and play

(16:24):
live until they're ready, whereas with grup circle teams, we
don't have that luxury. You know, you're rehearsing from day one.
So people are saying, well, that's obviously, you know, a
man made circle, because it's really really terribly done. But
that same team, when they get better, they'll be making
circles that people think aren't made by people two years on. Now,

(16:48):
when I made when I went out to do my
first one, or help on the first one, you then
become aware of I couldn't do it the next day,
but I could see how it was done. Okay, So
it's this thing where you scale up. You know, I've
seen I've been out in fifteen twenty man teams and
they've all known what they've all known what.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
They were doing.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Okay, Now, as far as the radiation is concerned, I've
tried to diget, I've tried to get I mean, you've
got all these, you've got this. A lot of pseudo
science is that the research community high behind because the
research community don't want you to know that it's people
because it goes against the money making narrative. So we
have reports of radiation, although we don't know if they've

(17:34):
actually measured radiation from outside the formation as well, it
could be within the whole field.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
When you look at the papers, there's a lot of
ambiguity in them.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
And then you've got the bent not broken.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Argument people say when in real corrupt circles the crop
is bent not broken because of the weight of the boards.
But again that is kind of pseudo science, because when
we actually create in the evening, the the crop is
very moist, so it does tend to bend rather than break.
And when you go into a crop circle the next day,

(18:08):
it is like it's like COSI, it's like a crime scene.
It's literally a crime scene in that it's criminal damage.
But also if you don't get in there before anyone
else and you start seeing a load of a load
of mess and footsteps and broken stems, what you're seeing
there is not the work of the team. You're seeing

(18:28):
the work of the all of the one hundred or
two hundred people that have been in there before you,
that have visited it in that morning.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
You know. So I hope that answers your question.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
Yeah, for me, it's just I guess, well you obviously
can't answer it, but like why did they start doing it?

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (18:51):
See, this is where this is where I'm quite passionate.
This is where the real mystery lies for me, because,
as with euthology.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
You know, you get reports. I'm deeply rooted in euthology,
and you know you've.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Probably heard about the tendency if people if someone's a believer,
they're more likely to see a UFO than if they're not.
And it's not misappropriation, and it's not you know, a
miss id, it's just it seems to be Brandon. I'm
not sure where you are with the phenomenon, but I've
studied this for like forty years, and I've gone away

(19:29):
as a lot of key euthologiest have. I went away
from the extraterrestrial help hypothesis about ten or fifteen years
into my studies. I don't think that it's CT. I
think that it's something that masquerades as ET and I
think it's something that's coexisted with us and has been
tracking and metamorphosizing itself based on where we are technology

(19:53):
in the forms of technology, and I think it's been
with us since our inception. Now, to answer your question,
we think that there is something else going on in
that we're not circle makers. Human circle makers are not
We're not chosen or anointed or special in any way.
But it just seems to be that we if a

(20:16):
person does have an affinity towards the paranormal and ufology
and spiritual things, it just seems to be that we
become more aligned with the phenomena and then we attract
the phenomena. Okay, so we don't know. We think that
those original single circles from the eighties, we think that

(20:38):
they a lot of those were mysterious. We don't actually
know what they were because the crop was bent upwards
at like two or three inches sometimes, which can't be
done by a board. But certainly anything sort of post
nineteen ninety, which is the pictograms and all the calendar
stuff that you like, you know, that's that's arguably all

(20:58):
man made. But nobody really knows where where the genesis
comes from or where the inspiration comes from. And the
bit that I'm interested in is that the fact that
people can go and make a crop circle and then
somebody else has already been there and made that exact
pattern or somebody as happened with me once we went

(21:21):
to make a crop circle and it was supposed to
be swallows, and then as soon as we got to
the field, because you start at ten o'clock, you know,
you've got between ten and ten and three o'clock to
get it done, because you've got five hours of darkness
when we get When we went to the edge of
the field, our crop circle leader kind of had a

(21:42):
spasm in his car. We went bolt upright and looked
straight ahead and said, no, it's spirals now. So I said, well,
we can't do spirals. We've been rehearsing swallows all day.
He said, no, it's got to be spirals. And then
we made us and then we made this crup circle
and then literally an identical circle was made that same night,
like fourteen miles away. And that's where we start to

(22:05):
think why and what else is going on? And then
we get dream driven events where I had a situation
where I was having this recurring out of body experience
dream where I was swooping over two fields in Wiltshire
and there were two massive crop circles in these fields,

(22:26):
and I was having a dream and this guy that
I used to go to school with was in my
dream every time. But this guy from school, I hadn't
thought of him for forty years. So I'd wake up thinking, God,
it's that dream again, And by the way, what's my
school friend doing there? And then one day I took
a wrong turn when I was in Wiltshire. Now, when

(22:46):
you say wrong turn or mistake, that in our world
is different, you know, to what most people sort of
attributed to it seems to be that wrong moves and
mistakes seem to be kind of engineered. So I took
this wrong turn, and I found myself looking at these
actual two fields that have been recurring in my dream.

(23:06):
And I looked to my left and I saw that
the name of the road that I turned down was
the same name of the road that my schoolfriend lived
in when I used to go around his house to
play forty years ago. And I thought, well, that's weird,
but it spurred me to say, well, you need to
do something. So I didn't have the wherewithal or the

(23:27):
amount of people to do those two circles. So I
decided I was going to do one of them, and
I found my partner, I found the team. I said, look,
we've got a choice of two. They're completely different. And
it was like, all the way through to the field,
we couldn't decide what to do. And then in the
end I just kind of looked skywalk at it and

(23:48):
just let my mind empty and I thought, whichever stump
goes down first, that's the circle I'm going to do,
and then the next. So we finished one circle and
then the next day I got a phone call from
my partner in London and she see. She said to me, Crush,
you were busy last night. I said, yeah, we got
we got one of my circles down from my dream.
And she said, well, no you didn't. You got both down.

(24:09):
And I said, no, we didn't. We got one down,
and she goes, well, you better go online. So in
those days it is before Wi Fi, so you had
to drive to the nearest place with it with the internet.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
So I found this internet cafe and I found.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
An aerial shot and it had my crop circle in
one field and then there was this stripe. Now what
that stripe was was this massive hill where it was
like I couldn't see what was going on the next
field because we had this massive hill. So we had
my field with my circle, then this stripe, and in

(24:43):
the next field, which was obscured from me, my other
crop circle was in there. So airily it was exactly
as it occurred in my dream. And we didn't know
about that team, and they didn't know about us now.
I don't know to this day if when all this
range stuff occurs, whether it's the spaces filled and we
are somehow unconsciously you know, intelepathy with the other team,

(25:10):
or if there's something else at play and we're somehow
being played.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
If you see what I mean.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
Yeah, you think this is kind of hypothetical. You've mentioned
there's you believe that there's something with these things from
that's been here the whole time, like not ets in general,
but from doing my show. I've talked to a lot
of people here and a lot of things anymore, especially

(25:42):
when it comes to aliens, and it depends on they
take it to a religious aspects, and I try to know,
I try to avoid that, but they believe these ets
are demonic, and then a lot of people think the
same things. But if you go back through history, as
you mentioned before, for there's a lot of stories, especially

(26:02):
through Europe of faithfolk. And if you come over here
to America and you talk to the Native Americans, they
talked about the spirit realm, the spirits they had their ancestors,
and there's also little legends these other like things. I've
always said, what if it's all one and the same.
We all interpret it differently, but a lot of the
things are based off of something that's always been here.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
I'm one hundred percent on which I'm one hundred percent
with you. The only thing that I'd say that throws
a spanner in that world, but only a slight small spanner,
is that I think that it is down to our interpretation.
So whereupon now we will see, you know, abductions with

(26:49):
adductions from grays, the faithfolk or sorry, our ancestors in
medieval times would call that away with the fairies. So
the fairies would take them away, and then they come
back changed. They'd be missing time. They come back what
they thought was what they think is two days later,
but it's years later as far as the locals go.

(27:11):
So I am with you one hundred percent. But my
one thing that I'd add to that is that what
if this whatever it is, this Nhi or this ancient
whatever it is, what if it is deliberately projecting itself
in a way that we then interpret it as something

(27:33):
which is just beyond our capabilities. So if you look
at perhaps the airship sightings from the eighteen nineties, which
were UFO sightings, which I'm sure you're aware of people
were people were reporting those as you know, before airships
were a thing. Okay, So it just seems to be

(27:55):
that this thing is placing itself just beyond where we
are in terms of technological maturity and where we are
within our religious mindsets. And I've always been very curious
about the fact that it wasn't until nineteen forty seven
with the Mount Rainier sighting, and that was just two

(28:15):
years after Hiroshima.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
It seems to be to me and to.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
A lot of euthologists, that we have somehow through our
messing about with nuclear energy and you know, and Hiroshima,
and it just seems to be that perhaps we've affected
there's been ripples from our time, ripples from our plane,
if you like, that have rippled into theirs, and then

(28:40):
they have to manifest themselves as a way of sort
of trying to control us. I've always thought it was
really interesting that Kenneth Arnold did not report fly I repeat,
he did not report flying saucers. He reported nine crescent
shaped craft which moved as a circle would do if
you skip over water. Why Brandon, why did we start

(29:03):
seeing flying saucers? That is, you see what I mean?
It seems to mold itself based on what we expect
to see.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Do you understand.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
I've always thought, after I figured out the Kenneth Arnold thing,
and I've interviewed someone else has done a lot of
research into that too, that it was almost a way
for them to control the narrative, Like they started pushing
out flying saucers through the media and everything, but the
original version was he saw these crescent moonsheep things, and

(29:33):
lying saucer now became cinemas with UFO sidings.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Saucers.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
This is why I think there's some sort of manipulation
going on. But it also relates to things outside euthology.
I mean, why do we don't why don't we see
ectoplasm anymore? You know, you know, why is it? And
for and in uthology? Where did the Nordics go from
the fifties? Why are we seeing different types of aliens

(30:03):
based on as we get progressively progressively more scientific. I
think that as you say, I did an interview with
a fae podcast a few months ago, is one of
the best I've done, and he aligns with everything you
just said. It is it's just something which is pre
existed with us since our inception and manifests itself based

(30:26):
on where we are, and that goes for euthology, It
goes for everything.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Which we seem to which we see as paranormal.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
And I see parallels between the corps circles and euthology,
which which spread out through the whole paranormal world. We
are just kind of especially with the dream, especially with
the synchronicitis, that we get where you think, you know,
there's some sort of engineering involved where we call it
a game of chess, but we're not playing it were

(30:56):
the pieces, but we don't know, you know. And the
thing with the synchronicit is is you just could not
engineer them. And we had a situation where we were
going to make a crop circle and it was a
team of six and it was like a social event
really because we only get to meet each other once
a year. So we said, let's get this crop circle

(31:20):
down and it was like a celebration of mother Earth
that it was going to be brilliant and we'd all
worked together before and it was going to We had
a social We had a couple of pints at the pub.
Didn't get drunk, obviously, you just had a couple of
pints over in a couple of hours. You talk about
what you're going to be doing in the circle, because
you get like the people that measure it out, you
get the inexperienced people stomping the stuff down, and then

(31:40):
they go into lead their own teams and blah blah blah,
they get better and better. And anyway, what happened was
there were six people all knew each other, and then
one of us got a phone call and he went,
oh shit, I've I've just got a text. I've forgotten
I'm on another team tonight, I promised myself last year.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
So we lost him.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
And then somebody else said, well, you know, I'm on
that team as well, so we lost him. So we
were down before and then by chance somebody phoned up
a friend and said, oh, I'm in the area, and
we said, get you to ask down here we needed
and basically somebody else left and said, I've got a
family mattress. I said, we were one down, and then
somebody else came in just by a chance. So, to

(32:19):
cut a long story short, the six people that went
out were completely different to the six people that were
supposed to be there in the first place. Over the
course for an hour, the whole thing just changed, okay,
like chess pieces. So we had six different people in there.
So we were in the car in the suv, and
we realized that we didn't know each other, which was
crazy because you know, we were just strangers to each other.
So it was a bit of an uncomfortable silence. And

(32:41):
then one guy said, you know, if my mum knew
what we were doing tonight, she'd be absolute. She'd be
so proud because she was a spiritualist, and she'd be
really into what we're doing. And I said, well, you know,
you can bring her down next year, and he went no,
because she passed away last year. And then I said,
my mom passed the way last year. And then it

(33:02):
is like Spartacus. Everybody in the van said the same thing.
And then we and then like there's like shiver went
through us because we realized that we both had this
same loss within like twelve months. And then we realized
that we were making a crop circle, which was the
celebration of mother Earth. And that's when that's where my bloods,
that's where my brain starts to boil.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Where you're going, what is going on? Do you understand?
Mm hmm?

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Like the similarities and the synchronicities. Yeah, it just made
me start thinking of something and what like when you've
made circles, what determines the design you're going to make?
That just something that someone says, hey, I want to
make this one. Is there a significance as to why, because.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Well, if you'd have asked me that.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
Before I started to make them, I'd have said, well,
you know, I've got a different answer now, And that
is firstly we've got to consider is one thing. The
circle making season is between sort of May and early September.
If you're lucky. Now, the first couple of circles and
normally made in that horrible cronola canola yellow stuff. It's

(34:15):
really hard to bend that. The stems are like broom handles.
It's it's and it springs out, and then you start
to get the decent stuff. You start to get the
barley and the wheat, and that's the stuff that stays down,
and that's the stuff that you know, what you see
the great circles. So we've got from September until kind
of March to work out what we're going to do.

(34:36):
So what you think is sometimes your idea, you go
to the field, and then and then and then you
speak to because the crop circle community isn't as close
knit as you think. You know, there's separate teams. But
sometimes you'll say, well, we're going to make this circle,
and then someone said, well, you've nicked that from sicide
because he's doing that this year. And then somebody else

(34:57):
has got the same thing. And so the answer to
your question is what you think is like an original inspiration.
Sometimes it gets back to exactly what we're talking about,
where why are three people having the same idea and
why is that theme there for that year? And then
sometimes what will happen around and you get back to
this mistake thing right where you go to make a

(35:21):
circle in a particular field and then you can't get
to that field because there's a roadblock or there's a
flood whatever. And then, as a compromise, because you're all
in the car and you go, well, we can't actually
arrange to meet for another week or two, we've got
to do something. The team leader will say, look, let's
just let's just do it here. Okay, let's just do

(35:42):
it here instead, And then you find out that that
compromised location has a direct significance to the image that
you've put in that particular field because it's significant to
the dates, or it's significant to something in the area.
So again you think what's going on, you know, so

(36:03):
you think it's your idea of the time, and then
you find out that another three people about the same idea.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
I've wondered and I don't remember if I read this somewhere,
if I watched a show, or I heard it on
a different podcast, but someone was hypothesizing that these things are,
which I think they were more still on the side
of their ets doing it. But these things were supposed

(36:31):
to be some sort of ancient sigils or Yeah, they
were supposed to be like for rituals for summoning things,
but they weren't talking about people doing it. Yeah, if
you take that aspect to it, people are doing it.
And you just mentioned like multiple people having the same idea.

(36:55):
Maybe is connected to it to where you're all making
the same thing because it is a situle like a
ritual that you're all connected to it.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
See.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
I know that your listeners are going to be disappointed
to find out that it's humans, Okay, But what I'd
say to that is that if you just where I
used to think it was et or nature spirits or gaia.
When I found out that it was people, I was
really really angry and annoyed because I thought, I've wasted

(37:25):
ten years of my life studying this, thinking it's et.
And I was really angry for about ten minutes because
I was down in the area when I found out.
When I fact, when the scales fell from my eyes
and I realized what was going on, I was annoyed
for ten minutes, and then I thought, hold on a minute,
if you actually include or put humans in here as

(37:49):
a component, all of the other stuff is still there.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
So by having the humans in here as just a
component of a big, bigger mysterious picture, it actually makes
birth UFOs look quite boring. It means the mystery is
a thousand times deeper than you think it is. And
when we do a circle, what you're saying is true.
It is a sigul, But maybe we don't know it is.

(38:15):
We just had the idea inverted commas, and then we
find out that that particular image is of massive significance
to where we've placed it, and we think that the
work of our four bears. I'll say it again. We're
living in a technocratic age now where we've forgotten everything,
everything spiritual and all of this knowledge that our four

(38:36):
bears had.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
We just think that.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
The circles act as schedules to like reboot the energy
that's already there.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
And it's like, because we've got we've got the highest
concentration of lay lines in Europe in abury, and it
just seems to be that they're like jump leads, if
you like, they're like batteries. And the reason why we
make crop circles look as if they're not man made
because people put iron filings in them and they you know,

(39:06):
they they'll do everything they can to make it look
as if it's not people is because when people think
it's people, there's no magic instilled into them. Okay, they
need to be seen as being not man made for
them to have the effect on people. Now, people say
to me, well, in that case, why the hell are
you on these shows telling people that it is people?

(39:27):
And that's because we've had forty years of this now, okay,
and or we've had forty years of pseudoscience. And what
we're saying is, if you put us into the equation
and you think of as actually instilling schidules into an ancient,
already magical area. The mystery is far deeper than you

(39:49):
think it is, and there are strong parallels between this
and eupology as well.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Not to try and connect that into well ancient people
have done, but I can't think exactly. I know it's
in South America. I think it's maybe prove the Nascal.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Lines, the Masca lines. Yeah, now the Nascar lines are.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
See it depends on how far, how deep you want
to go. But I mean, I've heard people say that
they are actually portals. And we've got a band in
our country called Killing Joke, and they're a band very
much drawn by numerology. All their songs are based on,
you know, certain mathematical schedules themselves sort of thing. And

(40:34):
the singer, Jazz Coleman, actually went and stayed within the
abdomen of the spider within the Nasca lines, and he
says he's convinced that it's a that that they are portals.
So there was strong parallels between the Nasca lines, you know,
and what we're doing as well.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
We think there's a lot of places that are supposedly
like very high energy, like there's Sedona, Arizona here in
the States that people claim that they go out there
and they feel like there's portals there, and then there's
other locations. I know, the TV show kind of blows
it out of proportion, but there's yeah, they claim there's
something to do with that, and there's these high energy areas.

(41:17):
So I'm wondering maybe these things are always there and
for some reason unknownst to you guys, that you're being
drawn in to do these sigils, these crop circles, because
that's just something that holds you to it without explaining

(41:38):
it other than the fact that like what made them
make these big designs in Peru that no one could
see unless you're in the air, And back when they
made them, no one would have seen them. There shouldn't
have been anything in the air. But they were compelled
to do something like that. Just same thing with like stone,
like all these different megalithic things too, is what caused people.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
To do that?

Speaker 4 (41:58):
And I've thought this with pyramids of the time, like
why were the ancients across the whole world in China, Egypt,
South America they all were building like these pyramids, Like
we've yeah, we evolved to build these pyramids, Like the
ancient peoples are building these pyramid type structures. But why

(42:19):
was it across the whole world? How did they all
know to build a pyramid. You'd think some things would
be a little different here and there, but for some
reason that at the same time frames or whatever, over
a couple hundreds of years, they were building similar structures.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Yeah, it goes to it also goes towards I mean,
I'm not sure how true this is, but I think
there's some weight to it. When John Logibad put in
the patent for the television, apparently they were already two
or three patents pending from people that had the same
idea in other parts of the world that hadn't known
about each other. So there's that implantation thing. But what

(42:58):
you're saying is true. And what when you when you
talk about the compulsion thing, Obviously, what were you doing
once the circles are down? They only exist for a
week or two before the harvested.

Speaker 5 (43:08):
You know.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
But sometimes we are some I mean when I started
doing them, I mean I'd be pulled. You know, I've
got I've got a friend who has like pulled out
of bed one like to do something, you know, the
compulsion was so strong, and then you get other days
where you think, oh, I'm definitely going to do it
tonight because I've got a team, and then you don't
feel like it, or something happens and somebody has a

(43:33):
family disaster, or and then and then go out tomorrow.
And then when tomorrow comes, then you feel absolutely drawn
and compelled your polls. And then you find out, oh,
it had to be done on that date because that
date is significant to the fill we put it in,
you know. So so yeah, I had a situation. I

(43:54):
am see what, see what? The stuff I'm talking about
brand is very hard to sort of scientific Lea's sort
of measure, you know, because it's all based on the psyche.
And I think that that whatever this phenomenon is and
in upology is actually deep seated in the human psyche.
But where my interest lies is talking to I spoke

(44:15):
to a circle maker and he said that he was
in bed one night and he had this compulsion, as
you say, absolute overwhelming compulsion. At midnight he woke up
and he had this He felt as if he'd been
shaken awake, and he said, I felt like there was
a presence in the room, like not like when you
see Poulter gast activity or ghost, he said, But there

(44:38):
was there was no apparition. I just had the sense
that I wasn't alone, and I had this compulsion to
go and make a crop circle.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
It was midnight and then, but I thought to.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Myself, I don't want to I'm snug in bed. There's
nowhere i'd i'd less want to be right now than
slugging away in the field. But this compulsion did not stop.
But he said it wasn't pleasant. He said, it was
like when your cat wants feeding and it's not going
to stop until you get up and get it food.
He said it was there was nothing spiritual about it.

(45:07):
It just he said, he had to give in and
get up. So he got the kit out of the
car and he went and walked towards this field, which
was ridiculous because it was like, you know, sort of
one in the morning, and like, you know, he's got
his boards with him, because you can't rustle up a
team at that time of night, you know. And anyway,
he said, he went to do this formation. He had

(45:27):
this very clear image as to what he wanted to
do in his mind, and he said he got bored
of walking, so he went to this other field which
was similar to the one he was supposed to go to,
and he said, the second he got into the field,
there was this nausea.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
He felt sick. He didn't throw up, but it was
close to it was really ill.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
So and then when he come out of the field
and sort of went, okay, I'll go to the other
field that Nauser stopped. And then when he went to
the actual field that he was summoned to, he started
to make this circle. And because he was doing it
by himself, he actually used tank pads to do the measuring,
when normally you have to put a teent peck in

(46:09):
a tent peg in the ground and then take the
tape out of that to measure to do your measurements.
And he said, he got this circle done and it
was a little bit beyond his capability, but it was
like as soon as he started to make it, he
had this energy rush. And that's that's common if you
look at the literary. With the literature were circle makers,
people get energy rushes. And he said he got the

(46:31):
circle done and he pretty much sort of dropped, dropped, dropped,
asleep on the spot at about three am. And then
the next day he woke up and there was a
group of girls freaking out and they were in his
circle and they were going mental. They were going to
do lally in a really happy way. And he went
up and walked up to them, pretending that he just

(46:52):
fallen asleep under the tree and he just got there
and they said look, look, look. He said, well, it's him.
Surfy thought, well, it's quite a good circle, but it's
not worth all the all the fuss they're making. And
it turns out that they were Pagans Brandon, they were Wickans,
and they'd been meditating the previous night on getting this

(47:15):
particular schedule down in this field which was next to them,
and one of the girls was grappling around her neck
and she said, this is it.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
We were meditating on it. This was what we meditated on.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
And obviously the sidual was the same thing that he'd
had in his mind to do. And that's where that's
the bit that I'm interested in, right thinking, what is
going on? Is there telepathy between us and other people
or is there something else at play?

Speaker 2 (47:43):
You know? M hm.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
I just feel like there's some sort of connection with everything,
especially with if you look at it from a from
outside looking in, you hear the stories of the connections
here or just even like throughout the years and everything else,
I've always been seen here in the last year or
two that I feel like everything somehow is connected. When

(48:08):
even with like the paranormal aspects to the UFO aspects.
Who when people are recording seeing these cryptid type creatures
or whatever, there is something at play.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Do you think it's Do you think it's strange that?

Speaker 3 (48:21):
I mean you you've probably been into into the subject
for as long as I have, all right, although I
might be a bit older than you. When I was
a kid, when I was like, you know, talking to
people about UFOs and Kelly Hopkinsville and you know, all
all of all of the classic literature and like that,
like the Lally Sakuro event. You know, my friendship thought

(48:45):
I was mad, you know, they just thought I was.
But now they sort of say to me, you know,
I think I saw something, or you know, they go,
can you actually explain to me a little bit more
about it? And it's like people send to me much
more receptive to it now, and there's a lot more
sightings and citings to contradict what I've said to you before,

(49:08):
sightings made by people that aren't believers. I just think
there's been an acceleration or a concentration within paranormal activity
and people's perception towards it over only maybe just the
past ten years. Would you agree with that?

Speaker 4 (49:24):
I would yes.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
But isn't that strange in itself? Don't you think?

Speaker 4 (49:30):
I wonder? And I think I've mentioned this before on
a different episode, but maybe it's because it's more mainstream now,
it's being more wider accept it. But by also being
out there, more people are becoming aware of it. And
once you become aware of it, you're more susceptible to
having an experience of something.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah, I did an interview with them.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
I did a really nice podcast interview a couple of
months ago with the odd Ball people of the odd
Bullshop it's called or the Oddity Shop. And what we
said there was But because we're talking today about you know,
a high strangeness environment, I crop circles being like a
theater of the strange. What a tendency that I might

(50:16):
have is that is to actually equate strangeness with crop
circles because it's within the crop circle environment. Now, that
could be a fault on my part because it could
be that if you were to make a list of
ten weird things that happened to you in the week
just going about your daily business, Okay, it could be
the same as ten days in the fields. It just

(50:37):
seems to be that there are more people experience more
in terms of synchronicities.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Now, you know, you know, you know the thing about
when you you see us you're in the street and
then you see somebody and you think, God, I've not
seen them for forty years, and then you go, oh, no,
it's not them, and then you do see them half
an hour later, you know.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
I think that, Yeah, it's almost like a deja voo
type thing.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Yeah, where Yeah, I think I think people are connecting
the dots more than they used to because there's more
of a like you say, it's more mainstream. But a
mainstream phenomenon wouldn't necessarily result in genuine sightings, would it.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
It might, It might.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
Result in in miss IDs or you know, misattributations, But
I don't think a concentration in the mainstream would actually
result in genuine sightings.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Do you think whatever this is like whatever people experience
or see, do you think everyone interprets it differently just
to what they are accustomed to see. And I mean
this in this sense that say someone said they saw
an alien, or someone said they saw a little person

(51:56):
like a fayfolk, or someone claims they saw a bigfoot,
and all these things have the same instance where they
just vanish, even like a ghost apparition, they saw an apparition,
it just vanishes. Maybe our minds can only interpret what
it's programmed or what they're projecting us to interpret it

(52:17):
as like it projects whatever it wants us to think
that it is, or we can always see it as
a certain aspect of it.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
There's three things I'd say to that.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
First one is that I've done a lot of I
know we touched it before, but I have done a
lot of.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Christian based podcasts.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Okay, where to them, the interpretation of that that they're
convinced that what I'm talking about is demonology and they
think that I'm channeling really evil stuff.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Okay, but that's from their interpretation.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
And they're really nice people and I'm not going to
fall out with them. You know that They've given me
a chance to speak they're really nice people. But the
two other things I'd say is that I remember reading
in the literature a long time ago that there was
a particular sighting and somebody said in the sighting, the

(53:19):
aliens or wherever they were, said, would you like we
are showing you us in our form now because it
won't freak you out? Would you like to see us
in our true form?

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (53:34):
But the other thing I say is that I've got
a friend and she had a ridiculous sighting as a
child where she saw a UFO and then she saw
like the Mitchellin man, like the Pillsbury dough boy, that
this massive inflatable child thing walking towards her. And I said, Jay,
that is the closest that your mind can get to

(53:56):
processing what you've actually seen, because it's so beyond, you know,
beyond anything you can actually mentally envisage. That that's the
closest it can get, you know. So again, I think
it's something which interacts, interacts with the psyche, which is
what Javagga talks about, where it's something which is actually
connecting with us on a very prime ordial ego mental level,

(54:21):
rather than just this straight nuts some balts black and
white phenomenon, you know, mm hm.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
I just.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
There's really no definitive answer that I can come up with,
and I'm no expert in anything, but I just believe
that there's something more out there. And I know that's
weird for people to hear in the sense that I
don't try and put a religious aspect to it. I
don't try and put any sort of paranormal aspect to it.
I just feel like there's something and I don't know

(54:51):
what it is, but there is something out there that
compels me to do what I do.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Yeah, it's the same with me.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
People have said to me, you know, you'll bring a
lot of heat on yourself, you bring a lot of
blowback on yourself by actually talking about the human the
human aspect, and I just feel like I'm sort of
kind of like compelled to do it. I've got no
skin in the game, there's no I'm not making any
money out of it. And then when I do publish
the book, I don't expect it. I don't expect it

(55:18):
to get rave reviews because obviously it's going against a
lot of what the community think.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Or say they think. But it just seems to be
that there is.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Something which has always always been a lot of euthologists
are going down this road now they've turned away from
the eth and they're saying, is there everything like like
you say with the cryptids, bigfoot, long nest, what if
it's all the same thing? And it's just a question
of our interpretation. But I have to go back and
say that I think the interpretation is there is a

(55:53):
manipulative aspect to it where it presents itself and metamorphos
is based on what it thinks we want to see
or expect to see.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
That's just again that's kind of where I aligned with
it too.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
I mean, a lot of euthologists made a lot of
euthologists are the ones that those of us have been
in this been in the game for a long long time.
We're all going down this path now where we're saying
it's not e t h. It's something a little bit.
It's not out of space, it's in a space. It's
a lot closer to home. And I like what John
Keell says about the if you think of the old

(56:34):
radio and you've got the needle on the radio, and
you know, if you've got the needle slightly to the left,
you you'll hear a little voice from another station, you know,
if you interpreted that as being our own psyche or
our own, our own experience. It just seems to be
that sometimes we do hear other channels, you know. And

(56:56):
he says that if the if the needle were wider,
then we'd see a lot more. Unfortunately, where we are,
our spectrum is so tiny of what we experience. It
just seems to be that what we call the extraordinary
now will just be the ordinary when we find out
what's actually going on. And there's no such thing as

(57:18):
the supernatural. It's just the natural. And we've had to
put the super in it because we hadn't worked out
what the other stuff is yet.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
We don't understand it yet.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
We don't understand it.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
I love what j J and Jay Annon Heinek, who's
the godfather, you know, together with Jack Vye said when
he was doing the when he was doing his studies,
even if the uf the UFO problem, and I love
the way he calls it a problem as well. He says,
if the UFO problem, if the solution was presented to itself,

(57:52):
if this, if the solution was presented to us today,
black and white, we are not in a position where
we'd even understand it. And I think because the phenomenon
works on this level, this deep psychological level, and the
thing I said about the mother crops circle, it's so advanced,

(58:12):
and it's so advanced that when we're not yet in
a position within an evolution where we understand it. But
I do think that our ancestors were I think they
got to the point where we are and become super super,
super advanced, and they're they're the key, you know, it's
our ancestors, the pyramid builders, everything you're talking about, the
Stonehenge builders, the Avery builders, that I think they were

(58:37):
far more aware of this stuff than we are.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Yeah. I don't know if it's by design that we've
been dumb down to it, but I feel like the
old generations of people are more in tune to what
goes on around the world, and nowadays we're more involved
with the technology aspect. It's kind of like we've lost
what made as people.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Yeah, there's people that brand and there's people saying that
we've actually been at this stage before where we are
now and further in terms of technology and technocratic you
know things, and we've actually just gone back to the earth.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
We've gone back to the land, and we've gone back.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
To spirituality, and that's and that's where our there's an
argument to say that our four bez you know they've
got they've got, that they had the technology to build
this stuff is because they were far more technology advanced
than we are now, but they chose to apply it
to the land and their spirituality instead.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
Yeah. I know, I've talked with people and they can
claim that they can explain how ancient people built things,
and I'm not saying that they didn't. I know, the
TV show Ancient Aliens wants to put everything that aliens
came down here and influenced building of these ancient structures.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
But yeah, and our crop circles.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Yet I don't necessarily agree with all of that, But
I don't know. Like I said, I'm not an expert.
There's just a lot of weird things out there, and
for me personally, I just believe that it's all connected somehow,
one way or the other. There's something that's influenced as
to where we are today, and there's something that influences
people to do what they do, and there's something that

(01:00:15):
influences what people are reported seeing and experiencing I just
feel like yeas all one and the same.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Yeah, but it's nice that you can If you go
in with no preconceptions, then that's the best way to
go in, because if you go in and you're tainted
with one world view or you've got one agenda or
another a gender, you will mold everything towards that. If
you go in with a clean mind and a clean slate,
that's probably Sometimes it's nice to go in with a

(01:00:44):
place of no knowledge and you might come back come
out with more knowledge than somebody that knows a little
bit more than you do, If that makes sense. It's
a nice place to go in, to go in clean
and to go in with no preconceptions.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
That is one of the things that I've been wanting
to do is I try not to do a whole
lot of research into certain things, especially if I'm looking
into something. I know that sounds like kind of productive.
But like you just said, if I was going to
go somewhere and investigate an area, I wouldn't want to
go in there knowing full well like this is what's
supposed to happen here, because then you're expecting it. So, yeah,

(01:01:22):
are you gonna get point because you don't get that
experience or are you going to manifest that experience because
you think that's what's going to happen, So you manifested
two happen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
The varge I've got is that my missus isn't into
any of this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
She's not.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
She's completely stoic, and she's completely doesn't believe anything that
I believe. And it's really good to have her as
like a nice anchor if you like, if I float
too high, she she anchors be down. So it's really
nice to be married to something like that. Because where
I would look into a situation and think I'll go,

(01:01:59):
you know, you're so deep into it, you're just seeing this,
she will look at it objectively and I just a
crazy situation.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
I mean, this is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
We had a situation once where a crup circle wanted
to come out with me and sorry a novice, A
fan wanted to come out. A crop circle fan wanted
to come out and make a circle, and I went
out with the completely wrong intentions. I went out with
the intention just of ego and showing off and saying yeah,

(01:02:30):
I can do it. It was a totally wrong motivation.
There was no spirituality involved in it. It was really
all about me and me me. It was a terrible decision.
And we went out and we made this crop circle.
And he was fast. He was a young kid. He
was really quick. He learned learnt really quickly. We got
the whole thing done about an hour and a half
and then at the end he said to me, can

(01:02:51):
I just put my little signature on it, a little
flourish at the end? I said, yeah, go for it.
You've earned it. You know, you've done a great job tonight.
But what he did was he just put this single
flourish on the circle, which completely changed the esthetics. So
it went from being pleasant and good vibes to something

(01:03:14):
really bad. It looked like a scorpion's table or something
like that. It looked really, really bad.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
And that was a lesson to me. I thought, that's
what happens. Anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
I got home and then I was taking my missus
to work one day, and you know, you get those
situations where you think, I'm driving really carefully, but I'm
going to have a crash because there's a bus coming
that way, there's a kid running in the road, somebody's
open their car door, there's a bouncy board. It was
like being in a video arcade go and I stood
to the message I'm going to have a crash in

(01:03:45):
a minute, even though I'm only going fifteen miles an hour. Anyway,
I've dropped her off. And sure enough, soon as we
dropped her off, this bloke come careering out this driveway,
crashed into my windscreen, smashed the windscreen, and I thought.
I found the insurance people and they said to me,
we can't get there until tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
And I thought, well, I can't leave it because it's
like abandoned.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
And just by chance, I happened to have parked in
front of this bloke who did windskin repairs. Anyway, he
said I'll get you on the road for one hundred quid,
so I said, I'll just do it. But he had
those plunges. He had those suckers where you put them
on the windscreen and then put them into the into
the into the panel. But he was really bad at
his job, and he was putting all these suckers wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Everything was really bad.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
And then he put he put the paint in and
then I drove off and I was transfixed by I
looked at the windscreen and I went, no, you're being stupid,
you're reading too much into it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
It's not what you think.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
And then I picked my wife from work and she
just got in the car and she is, as I said,
completely objective.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
She doesn't believe in any of this stuff. And she
sat in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
The car, she's so bolt upright and stared at the
wind screen. She goes, what the hell is your crop
circle doing on our wind screen? And it was exactly
as this guy had done the suckers, And it was
exactly with this little scorpion.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Tailor as well. And as that really freaked me out.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
You know that that that was like a lesson as
to what happens when you do it for the wrong reasons.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
You know, weird question. But do you and her ever
have a moment where you're thinking something and she will
say it like literally, like within a few seconds afterwards.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Yeah, of course, of course. But Sheldreck calls that the
species feel, doesn't he you know? And this is where
this is the only thing I'm not sure about with
this subject, with with crop circles. I'm not sure if
we are using that you know, dormant link that we
don't know about that little telephone line or if this

(01:05:53):
or if our telephone lines are connected to another exchange,
you know, and and and the signals being like trying related.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
So of course I get it. Everybody gets it, you know. Hm.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
So that happens to me and my wife often, and
it's a little creepy every now and then because I'm
getting ready to say something and she says, at first,
it's just like or reread my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Yeah, But as I said she, I think in decades,
hundreds of years to come, we won't be looking upon
this stuff as being will look at these times and
call them primitive and say, God, look at look how
we were. We thought this was paranormal. It's really normal,
you know. I think it's because we are far less
advanced than I mean, technologically we're advanced, but I think

(01:06:39):
mentally and spiritually, you know, and in terms of accepting
new paradigms and in terms of accepting new ideas, we're cavemen.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
That's that's my opinion.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
Well, we've been going on for a little over an hour,
so I figure we can get close to wrapping this
one up before we do. Is there anything you would
like to touch base on?

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
All I'd say, Brandon is thanks for letting me speak today.
And also to the people that among your listeners that
are tearing your hair out saying you work for CIA
or m I five or you're a disinformation, it's not
the case. Even if you want to believe that some
are done by et whatever. If you next time you

(01:07:21):
look at a crop circle and you get in the
mindset that it could be human, just think of it
as being the humans are a component.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
And it's not a hoax.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
You know, if a crop circles made with intent or
somebody's compelled to do it, it's not a hoax. There's
something else going on. And if you want to look
at my substack, which is it can't be people dot
substack dot com. That's free to join, and I update
every week or two weeks with a new account from
a new crop circle maker that I've spoken to or

(01:07:56):
one of my own experiences, and when I do interview
crop Circle because what's happening this is very encouraging, is
that I can't use a lot of the stories now
because I've got so many and the same themes are
recurring again and again. So I'm getting the same stories
recurring again and again from new stories, which tells me
that you know, I'm We're definitely onto something. And the

(01:08:18):
reason why I call it it can't be people was
because that when I walked into my first crop circle,
it was extremely complicated. I looked around and thought, it
can't be people. But now I know that it is people,
but there's something else that can't be people next to it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
If that makes sense, No, I totally get it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
Well, d It has been a pleasure and it's been
very informative, and I can't thank you enough for being
a guest here today.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
That's an absolute pleasure. Keep in touch with my friend. Okay, yep,
you have a great deal and you my friend, Bye
bye bye.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
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Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
I've heard a story be laid last night about something
alert along a wood line, huge foot prints, strange.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Lights in the sky.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
They claim it's nothing, but I know they light it
sees or lacking to lap in my face. But something
about this makes me say, what if it's real?

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
What if they knew?

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
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wasting mind time? Hearing boy? It says, is it all
in their minds? They can call me crazy, but I
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Them from What if it's true?

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
What if it's really?

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
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we knew? Tim for tales blend me a story.

Speaker 5 (01:10:09):
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Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
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are waiting, They're waiting for you. They see if the
dog man walking, or maybe a'm offman flies. I love
the very giants hidden beneath the lies.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
They say, it's just stories, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
All they believe. The fairy tale was.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
For the things we can't perceive.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
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Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
They won't break our wheel.

Speaker 5 (01:10:40):
But I'm not buying it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
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Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
The truth could set us free?

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racing their minds.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
They called them.

Speaker 5 (01:11:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
What if it's true?

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
What if it's real?

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
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Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
What if the world's not what we do?

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Tim Foil tells Fulieve Me a story that starts where
the logic is what if it's real?

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
What if it's true?

Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
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Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
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Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
The signs are there if you open your eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
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Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
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Speaker 5 (01:11:47):
What if it's true?

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
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Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
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Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
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If it's read? What if that's true?

Speaker 5 (01:12:05):
The answers are waiting, They're waiting for you. It's all
in our heads, it's always our bindings. These voices can
be silence.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
The truth must rise.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
What if it's reading?

Speaker 5 (01:12:23):
What if it's true?