Ep. 221 - The Smoke Man

Welcome back to Tinfoil Tales! On this episode I am joined by my guest Matt from Cat5Boys podcast. Matt shares his experience with a possible smoke type entity that was passed down in stories from his family. We discuss current events and other conspiracy topics throughout the conversation. 


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
And I just turned around and I call ass out
of there.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I was done.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
I wasn't dealing with them.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
that turned me.

Speaker 4 (00:16):
Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on,
it turned and looked at us.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
And one of the things I remember the most where
the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
It is just circling these steps.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Like it is waiting for me.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.
They're basically like, what are you talking about.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,
and that's where I saw.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
As soon as I made eye contact with this thing.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
I don't like death.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Welcome back to Sanfoil Tells. I'm your host Brandon Tonight.
We're joined by my guest Matthew. Thanks for coming on
here talking with me.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Would you like to let the audience know a little
bit about yourself before we.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Get into it. Yeah, so my name is Matthew. I
am twenty one years old. I yeah, I mean I
don't know a little bit about me I'm a Christian.
I guess that's like how I would how like I
would always describe myself to anybody who asked me, you know,
you know, give a little bit of a description to yourself.
That's the first thing I always say. I'm a Christian.

(01:37):
So I'm a very religious guy. You know, I believe
in God, and you know, I kind of structure my
life around Christian ethics and things that you know, and
that like kind of that kind of nature of ethics
and whatnot. And so that being the case, I've also
experienced my fair share of paranormal experiences and different weird,

(01:58):
weird encounters, which we'll definitely talk about out here. But yeah,
I have a show called The caf Five Boys. I
basically speak to people about all things politics, relationships, culture,
you know, different things of that nature, different political topics
that we have today in today's society and and I

(02:20):
guess the political scape or space at large. So you know,
but I'm also really interested in things like this, like
the cryptids and the conspiracy theories and you know, cool
things that I'm also really interested in things like this.
So it's cool to get into a show like this
and be able to speak about this, but also kind
of you know, if anybody's interested in the politics kind

(02:41):
of side of conversations, they can check out the caf
five Boys. But that's kind of what I do, and
that's just me.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I can say from my own experiences doing conspiracy type episodes,
and I've had some political stuff on here. I don't
know how many people actually want to listen to that
on my end because they want to hear all the
conspiracy stuff for the crazy stuff, and we get into
politics on here.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
That seems like my.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Episodes don't do as well as some of the other ones,
which I get because yeah, no, I mean it's a
flavor for everybody, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
No, I mean, uh, you know, everybody's gonna have different
beliefs and opinions and stuff like that, and you know,
it is the tinfoil tails, so you know, they kind
of expect to be around that topic. Yeap.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
That is uh, harshly why I call the what I
call it for, because it just kind of everyone has
their own sort of different opinions on things. So and
when we talk about some of the topics that I
talk about on here, a lot of people get labeled
as conspiracy people or crazy people you are in a
tenfoil hat and all that other stuff. So I just

(03:43):
embraced it. Where did you come up?

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah that sounds I mean, yeah, you know, now that
I think about it. Sorry, was that you can go ahead?

Speaker 3 (03:54):
I was just going to ask re came up with
your name for your show?

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Oh okay, I was just gonna say that a lot
of the conspiracies, like when you talk about conspiracies, a
lot of the time they could dive into like some
politics and stuff like that. Like you know, there's there's
some about like you know, the thing that happened in
September eleventh, So there's there's things like that that kind
of dive into some politics and things. And there's other
ones as well that could dive into political stuff and
agendas and and different parties and things like that. But

(04:21):
my name or the name for my show, The Cat
five Boys, kind of came from I'm from Florida and
we have a lot of hurricanes over here, so and
usually the topics that we speak on can get a
little crazy. Like we talk about feminism, we talk about
the conservative Republicans, Democrats, liberals, we talk about abortion, all
sorts of different things, and a lot of the times,
those conversations with people that we have on can get

(04:42):
a little bit crazy. And so you know, category five
the highest category of hurricane there is. It can get
crazy in the category five hurricane, and they can also
get crazy in our show. So that's kind of where
the name came from a little bit. But yeah, that's
pretty much where the name came from.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Awesome. I was trying to figure it out. I didn't
even think of category five, So it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Now.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
I have family from Florida, so yeah, I have an
understanding of the hurricane systems down there. I'm safe up
here in Indiana, but I do have family from Florida.
If my dad's originally from down there.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, it can't get a bit crazy with the hurricanes
over here at times.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Are you on the Gulf side or the Atlantic side.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
I'm on the Atlantic side, so we've been We've been
spared our our fair share of hurricanes as of late,
but we have been hit pretty hard with some other ones,
like earlier on in the like in the in the
late like in the nineties. I think in the eighties nineties.
I wasn't alive for that time, but you know, we
were hit with a couple there.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
I know Hurricane Andrew I think was a ninety two
or something like that, and I was a pretty big
one down by Miami.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, that one, that one for sure. I remember that
one for sure. That one hit pretty hard for And
then there was one called Irma that while I was alive,
but it wasn't it wasn't too bad at least in
my but apparently it was a It was a pretty
strong hurricane. But I don't really remember too much stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Well, the thesis of the show as we talk about
a lot of the weird things and strange things, and
you mentioned you'd had some of your own personal experiences.
If there's anything you would like to start off with,
I'd love to hear about it.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, I mean, uh, I guess kind of where I
guess kind of where I'll start.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
Is.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
I kind of don't know where I want to start.
I mean, I've had experiences myself, but I've also had
experiences that I've heard from family members and things of
that nature. Uh So, you know, family experiences and and
different ghost stories that have been told. Uh, I guess it.
You know, through the through the different generations and of
my family, we've had our fair share. My family's originally

(06:47):
from Nicaragua, and they used to back when they used
to My father and my mother grew up there. They
were in a in a small town and they knew
each other and that's kind of how they met and
how they grew up together and things of that nature.
And they kind of obviously eventually they got married and
had me, so you know, my genesis of my creation.
But in Nicaragua, there was a lot of, uh, there
was a lot of you know, folk stories and and

(07:09):
urban legends that they would tell amongst themselves and you know,
to scare the kids. They would have la yourna and
they would have a bunch of different I guess myths
and legends to you know, for whatever reason, just for entertainment,
sometimes sometimes to scare kids into doing good things or
whatever the case. But there was one in particular that
they would tell me about that would always kind of

(07:31):
I mean, I guess it kind of always stuck with
me to a certain degree. But they they've always told
me that they have they've had experiences like that where
it would always be like a it's kind of like
they would call it the smoke the smoke guy or
something like that because it would always show up whenever
they would smoke or whatever. They'd be around people who
would smoke rather so you know, they'd be like, you know,
young kids ten years old and they'd be around adults

(07:53):
who were smoking, and they were just you know, chatting
and the you know, in their backyard and their home
in Nicaragua and everything, and they would they would puff,
you know, they would do the puff for the from
the smoke, and all you would see is like the
figure of a person standing right in front of them.
And you know, that one kind of stuck with me
because there was like an instance where I remember it
was really cold in South Florida, which is weird because

(08:15):
it never gets cold over here, and there was you know,
the smoke I suppose, like the I don't know what
you would call it, the mist or the smoke that
would come out of my breath whenever I would like
breathe out would be happening. And then I was in
my backyard at one point and I was, you know,
just kind of enjoying the cold air because it never
it never happens down here. Rarely it happens down here.

(08:36):
But I would blow out and then I would see
the I saw this figure that just stood right and
it was like standing right in front of me, like
the face super close, everything like like it was right
in front of me, and I got I got chills
down my spine, everything of the sword like that, and
I just immediately I felt like I wasn't alone, where
a second ago, I felt like I was completely alone.
It was, you know, normal, completely normal, And then in

(08:58):
a split second I saw that figure. I ran back inside,
like no tomorrow, that's for that's for sure. But I
remember that story from my from my family being told
from generation. I guess of like the smoky Man, I
guess is what they would call him. But other than that,
I guess my own my own tales from like the
things I can truly like tell you that this is

(09:19):
completely unexplainable. One that I always kind of go back
to whenever I think of these type of things is
I was visiting Saint Augustine in Florida. It's it's it's
a very historical place. It's a very that's like they
call it the oldest the oldest city in Florida, the
oldest town in Florida, and there's a lot of history

(09:41):
that that that you know Saint Augustine has seen and
there was one time. You know, my family and I
we would visit there a lot, very frequently, I would say,
like when I was a child, Like when I was
a kid growing up, probably once a year we would
go there. Every single year we would make a visit
to Saint Augustine. We'd we'd go down there and we'd
spend a week in and we'd spend u four days
or something like that, and we just enjoy Saint Augustine

(10:02):
and all the historical sites and everything. And there was
one particular trip that we went down there, or I
guess up there because I live south of that, but
we went up to Saint Augustine and we stayed in
this like motel like quality and type of thing where
the rooms once you once you like open the front
door to the room, it's outside now, Like it's not
like a big building where you got hallways and things

(10:23):
of that nature. It's just open the door, you're outside.
Then there was particularly cold that day, which is kind
of ironic considering my first story when it was cold,
But it was cold that day in Saint Augustine, and
I had walked outside because we had just gotten there,
and it was like middle of the night when we
got there, probably like twelve twelve in the morning or
like one in the morning, something like that. And we

(10:44):
had just gotten there. We laid all of our bags down,
and my dad asking the thirteen year old to go
get some ice whatever. He asked me to go get
some ice, fill up the little ice bucket. And so
I go. I go fill up the ice bucket. And
as I'm walking on my way to go fill up
the ice bucket, I'm feeling as if there's something behind me.
I'm getting like this weird sensation, this weird like chill

(11:06):
down my spine, like somebody, like somebody's behind me trying
to be sneaky or something, and like I'm not alone,
and like you know, like sometimes you get that feeling
union followed or you're getting chased, and you just want
to run, You just want to book it for no reason,
even though maybe there's not anybody following you. But I
got that feeling very distinctly of somebody following me there. Oh,
and you know, kind of that chill down my spine.

(11:28):
And so I look right behind me and I see nobody.
You know, I that time, I don't see anybody. There's
nobody there, not a trace, no no sound, no sign,
no nothing. It was all I heard was like the
crickets and the or whatever the case. It was nighttime,
so it was like, you know, all I heard was
the noises of the outside world. And so I keep walking.
You know, I'm like, you know what, I'm just freaking
myself out. It's fine, nothing's happening. There's nobody there. You're fine.

(11:52):
Just keep walking to the ice machine. Get the ice
like your dad told you. So I keep walking, no problem,
and I start hearing footsteps this time, and I'm all like,
all the while, I'm still getting the chills. I'm still
feeling like there's somebody behind me, but now I'm actually
hearing footsteps behind me, like there's somebody walking right behind me.
Just the footsteps are clear as day, just matching mind

(12:16):
to a certain degree, where every single time I would
walk a little faster, i'd start picking up the pace.
It would also pick up the pace, like the footeps
wild get quicker and quicker. And so I look back
again as the footsteps continue to get quicker, and I
see how the like, there's really nothing there this time again,
there's nothing there. So I'm like, I must be going crazy.

(12:38):
There has to be something in my brain right now
that's not working. There's there's something, there's some like some
connection that's not fully connected at the moment in time.
So you know what, I'm just gonna I'm not even
gonna think about it. I'm just gonna keep walking. I
make my turn to actually get the ice. I'm at
the ice machine and everything. I'm here to get my eyes.
I'm here to do it when my father asked me
to do so whatever. I start getting the ice. I'm

(13:00):
filling it up, and I hear like a shuffle or something.
I look to my in my peripheral vision to my
right side, right where like the hallway kind of turns
into the ice machine. So right in that corner, I
saw immediately like somebody was peeking at me and going
right back into like to not being able to be

(13:21):
seen anymore. So it goes like in my peripheral I
just see someone dart right back like they were trying
to hide. And I look at that and I'm like
crapping my pants or I don't know if you can
curse on the show, but I'm crapping my pants right
now I don't even know what's going on. I'm just
I just know that I saw something, and I know
for sure I saw something. There's no way I did.
I just saw that, you know what I mean. And

(13:42):
so I look back there and I'm just staring at
that point, and I stopped the ice at that because
I want to hear I want to make sure that
it's just my eyes and it's not my ears also
telling me there's something there. And I just start listening
to see if I hear anything. And I start to
hear a distinct whispering, like somebody like their children having
conversations right beyond that corner of the wall. And I'm

(14:05):
just hearing like a but like a child doing that,
and like like several children having conversations and like kind
of chuckling to themselves like they're like they're making fun
of me. To a certain degree, I felt very really
belittled at that point. But it was like somebody was
It was like two little children, three little children were
having conversations right beyond that corner of the wall. And

(14:25):
so I hear that clear as day too, Like there's
no mistaking that at all. I'm hearing whispers right beyond
that corner of that wall. I book it the other
way because there's absolutely no way I'm going to go
that way after what I just saw, on what I
just heard. So I'm going the other way, trying to
go around the back, trying to go like towards the
other side to get to the to my room. At

(14:48):
that point, I got like half the bucket full. I'm
not about a I'm not about to stay there and
get the whole bucket. So I'm just I'm just moving
and I hear the footsteps again right behind me, and
I started running. This time I'm sprinting, and I I
hear the footsteps sprinting as like continuing to get quicker
and quicker and stronger, like like that's like, and it
was like it felt heavy too. Not only did it

(15:09):
feel heavy, but I felt the ground shake with every
step that that thing took, whatever that thing was, but
whatever the entity it was that was following me, I
felt the ground move as it took it's each step,
and so I just kind of like kept running and
I turned around. Eventually, once I got to my room,
I turned around and nothing was behind me. And to

(15:30):
this day, I still remember that as a very very
like it's like a core memory as to what, like
Saint Augustine, kind of the history behind it and everything.
I always to this day still attribute that to a
historical like spirit or entity or something like that. There's
something there that lived in a historical period of time.
I want to believe that me personally, but either way,

(15:52):
all I know is that it was very terrifying, and
it's just that that was kind of one of the
biggest I guess paranormal experience which I've ever had.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Personally now was Saint Augustine. I've heard for a long time,
but that's one of the haunted, like more haunted areas,
just because of how old it is and they've had
a lot of different history back there, so I don't
doubt there isn't some sort of weird presences out there,
but just because of how old the area is and
generally now.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, there's that. I mean, that's kind of like they
advertise themselves to be like the oldest city in Florida
or something like that. That's what they advertise Saint Augustine like,
which is kind of the appeal of it and everything.
But there has been a lot of sightings in the
lighthouse there. I don't know if you've ever heard of
the Saint Augustine Lighthouse there. It's a very very famous
hotspot for paranormal activity and the whole city. There's also

(16:45):
a big castle, a naval castle from like the sixteen
hundreds in that in that town as well, like probably
maybe like ten miles away from where I was staying
in that hotel at that point in time, And there's
been a lot of sightings there, a lot of shadow figures,
a lot of voices, and there's been a lot of
urban legends attached to that as well. I remember one

(17:07):
specific urban legend that was, if you put your ear
to the to the wall of that castle, you'll be
able to hear like the war sounds and like war
cries and people dying and like screams and different things
like that of like the you know, supposedly of the
battles that have happened in that castle, and supposedly some

(17:27):
people have actually heard that type of stuff. I heard
like stories of when I was there visiting that, like
they would try that and it would actually it would
actually hear things, which obviously I can't confirm or deny
that because that's just people telling me that. But but yeah,
that's definitely like that city is definitely considered to be
a paranormal hotspot, especially in the state of Florida. For sure.

(17:49):
The other.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Stuff that you've experienced and you've heard about, what was
your initial thoughts on all those Like is this is
something you actually leaved in or is it just because
you've experienced and now has made you more open towards it.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
You mean, like spirits and like paranormal things of that nature. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Usually, like when I talk to people, even myself in general,
like I never really believed in any of this stuff.
But once you like have something that you can't really
explain this, what kind of makes you start questioning what's
really going on?

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, No, for sure, I mean I think I think
in my case, I would say I've always kind of
believed and I've always kind of took it on faith
because I mean, since I am a Christian, I do
I do just kind of as like a necessary aspect
of my faith. I do believe in the afterlife, and
I do believe in that there's life after death and
you know, different things of that nature. And you know,

(18:41):
the Church because I'm a Catholic, so the church. The
Catholic Church has a lot of records of exorcisms happening
and demons being exercised different from people, and they've had
files and upon files of different exorcistms that have been held,
and some of those files are actually really like really
crazy interesting as to like the things that have happened

(19:02):
and that have been documented and actually like proven. But
there is really like you can't really explain it because
it's just it's just extraordinary circumstances that have taken place.
So I've kind of always had like that belief that
there is something out there. There's life after death, so
there's obviously like there's obviously something, you know, so I
wouldn't hold it like I wouldn't deny the fact that

(19:26):
or I guess the belief that there are spirits lingering,
or maybe they're all demons, or maybe they're all like
evil spirits or something, or maybe they're all impurgatory and
they're just coming over here to ask for prayers or something,
you know, just something happening that's beyond our understanding and
our like ability to notice it. But there I've always
kind of believed that, and then once I've had those experiences,

(19:48):
and once I've been able to or I guess, once
those things have happened to me, I guess I kind
of just reinforced everything for me.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Yeah, that seems how it is for a lot of people,
Like once they have that experience and then it just
opens up that floodgate for more stuff too.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, no, for sure. I mean I think after that
point in time, that Saint Augustine experience that I've had,
I've always had a fascination for spirits and and like
the paranormal and you know, like kind of investigations of
those things and visiting different paranormal places, and I've always
kind of wanted to go travel around the United States

(20:25):
and and stay at all the highest paranormal activities hotspots.
I guess. Ever since that time, it's always kind of
fascinated me, you know, to know that there's something, I guess,
like on the other side that we can't see ourselves,
but sometimes we communicate with and there's so much like

(20:46):
in like, there's so much intertwined in that too, because
there's some people who are are able to like speak
to those people. There's some people who are able to see,
you know, spirits and entities there's some people who are
able to communicate with them and they have that gift.
It's it's truly truly fascinating to me. And then extra
systems as well has always been super fascinating to me.
And to know like like the the endless war between

(21:11):
or I suppose the constant war rather between good and
evil and you know, the forces of good and evil
and everything like that. It's just always been super fascinating,
especially after that that point in time into Augustine when
that happened.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Now with your show, you said you get like political
and everything else. You mentioned some conspiracies and you brought
up the whole line eleven thing, which I've talked about
that with other people before too. I think a lot
of conspiracy stuff it is political in a sense because
a lot of the stories that you get and a
lot of these conspiracies all stem from the belief of

(21:46):
not trusting the government and they don't believe the cover
stories that come along with it. So how many episodes
have you ever done that kind of goes down in
that rabbit hole?

Speaker 2 (21:58):
I think I think like one of the biggest, like
for sure things that you'll you'll know, like I don't
even know how I'll explain this, Like I guess one
of the the things you will know for certain that
you'll talk about when speaking about politics is conspiracy theories.
That's like, that's like one of the things that when
you're talking about politics, you're talking about disagreements, there's gonna

(22:21):
be somebody who's gonna blurt out but the government is
is bought and paid for or like you know, Night
Bush did nine to eleven, or like something, something's gonna
come up that is a conspiracy of the government where
people don't believe or have faith in the government or
trust the government or whatever the case, which is completely
you know, completely founded. In my show, what I what
I kind of stick to is more like political conversations

(22:42):
about things we disagree on in the sense of like
like somebody's pro life or somebody's pro choice, and we
have a debate about that. There's been a lot of
debates on my shows and a lot of times where
we disagree on things like that. There hasn't we haven't
really dived too much into like conspiracy theories and things
of that nature. So I mean, I would say we

(23:03):
haven't really touched on that type of stuff because my
show kind of dives into more of the debate side
of things, the disagreement side of things.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
So it seems like no matter what topics should get into,
and especially when the ball's politics, there's always going to
be some sort of different opinions. And that's the one
thing I've noticed with a lot of people is politics
and religion are like the two main things that people
want to argue. So it's like one of them, oh yeah,

(23:30):
because it's so split, like some people have this sort
of belief system and someone else doesn't. Instead of getting
along whether that, everyone wants to argue about it, and
everyone wants to prove that their points correct and everything,
and we have that going on here in the weird
paranormal realm, in the cryptid world and everything else, Like
everyone wants to argue their point and to prove how

(23:50):
correct they are and how everyone else is wrong. But
at the end of the day, especially in this type
of field that I do, is I don't think anyone
really has a clue. Even with the conspiracy people like
we have, there's if we could prove it, it wouldn't be
a conspiracy, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
So that's the reason.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
It's the conspiracy because yes, it makes a whole lot
of sense and it's probably one hundred percent accurate, but
because we can't actually prove it, it still falls into the
category of a conspiracy. But then you have people out
there beating their chest claiming that this is one hundred
percent true, but yet they lack the proof to prove it.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
No, I completely understand, I completely agree. People just want
to be right, you know, they want to have that
satisfaction of being able to say, yeah, I was right
about this, you know. And a lot of the time
when it comes to the conspiracy side of the of
the Internet, it's definitely a lot of guessing games because
there's there there's rarely ever going to be moments where
the conspiracy theories proved to be true or they prove

(24:43):
to be false. Usually it kind of just gets left
up in the in the air as to whether or
not it's true or not. And a lot of the
time there's there's like variants of the same conspiracy theories
where somebody will believe this thing and then they'll change,
like they'll they'll switch a little detail of the thing,
and it turns into a whole different thing of the
same topic. So It's like when it comes to the

(25:05):
conspiracy theories, you can never really win. It's just fun
to think about that type of stuff, and and the
and the implications of those things being true. Sometimes can
be really serious. But I don't think anybody really takes
it too seriously, because if they did, there'd be a
lot more I think there'd be a lot more upheaval
in society if people really took these conspiracy theories seriously.

(25:26):
But I feel like a lot of the time people
just kind of have these conspiracy theories. They talk about them,
and they debate about them, just to kind of like
have fun with it, like it's fun to them, you know,
which I mean, I agree. I I find conspiracy theories
to be fun, you know. That's that's those are. It's
fun to talk about, it's fun to debate about. It's
fun to to dive into and dive into that rabbit

(25:47):
hole and everything. A lot of the time. But I
think that's kind of what people kind of take it as.
It's just like a lot of fun, you know. If
they really took it seriously, you know, I feel like
there'd be a lot more upheaval.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
What is the one conspiracy that you've heard of that
you actually believe is one hundred percent accurate.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Oh, that's a good question. Put you on the spot. Yeah,
that's a good question. Put me on the spot. Here.
The conspiracy theory, I believe, out of all of them,
I would say probably like the the like the New
World Order kind of conspiracy theory where where there's this
group of people who are controlling everything and like, you

(26:29):
know that behind the scenes, they're moving things the way
they want to move them, and they're creating things or
they're making things happen in the world in order to
like kind of bring about some agenda that they have,
whatever that may be. And there's like this group of
people out there who are doing that and it's the
most powerful, most elite, you know, richest, you know, whatever
the case may be. But the Illuminati. Yeah, So something

(26:51):
along those lines, like the Illuminati or like the Freemasons,
or like, there's like there's an organization of people who
are doing that, controlling all of that.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
I've got a few episodes about that. And here's what's funny.
Those episodes get demonetized whenever they get posted. Like I
can talk about all sorts of crazy topics and everything
but the moment you bring up New World Order, Illuminati, Freemasons,
the Rothschilds, any of those people, they demonetize those episodes

(27:21):
they don't meet the standards. It's like, well for a
conspiracy person, when you're automatically taking away any sort of
monetization from those specific episodes, only it almost shows the
conspiracy people proof because we can't talk about this stuff.
Otherwise you're going to get demonetized. Okay, yeah, no.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
For sure. I mean you should have told me man,
I wouldn't. Now you're going to get demonetized. That has
brought up the Freemason Nah, I don't, but uh, I
don't care, no, but but it is. It is cool
to think about that type of stuff though, where it's
like they are like different things that would happen like
that where you get demonetized or maybe like it gets
age restricted or something where these specific videos where you're
talk talking about this, I think there's a lot of

(28:02):
other like big signs you can see in reality and
like in the real world where you're like, Okay, this
definitely has to be like orchestrated to a certain degree.
There's no way that this is just happening just because
you know, this is just I don't know, I don't know.
I find it. I find it very compelling. The whole
New world or kind of idea and conspiracy theory out there.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
I think some of the other ones tie into that
as well, because if you start that's almost like the
tip of the iceberg to an extent, like if you
go down that rabbit hole and then you start to think, well,
if they could pull things off, then you start looking
at these other things, well that they can orchestrate this
event here to happen, and then it just keeps spile,
like the more and more you get into, the further

(28:45):
down you go. And honestly, as bad as it sounds,
I think some people go so far down in that
conspiracy realm rabbit hole that they never come back out.
And that's why the whole myth and the joke of
the tin foil hat and everything is because they've random
self so far down into these conspiracies that they don't
know what to believe anymore.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah, I think I also think it also attributes a
little bit to those people taking it so seriously, but
them being like the only ones. Like what I was
saying before, where if if if a big collection of
people actually took these conspiracy theories seriously. It would it
would be like actual upheaval in the streets and things
like that, things of that nature. But majority of people
kind of look at these conspiracy theories as like jokes

(29:27):
or things to have like fun with, or fun things
to think about or whatever the case, fun thought experiments.
But then there are those select few people who really
do take it seriously, and since they don't have that
many people to kind of agree with them and like
have a movement happen, they kind of just drive themselves
nuts with the Tim Foyles and all that stuff, like
you were just saying. I think there's definitely an aspect

(29:48):
of that as well.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
For sure, I believe there is a lot of truth
to some conspiracies, but there's also other conspiracies out there
that I don't necessarily think are true.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
And and.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
You can't have discussions with some people because they're so
die hard on that wall that they're not going to
budge from it. And I get it, like everyone's rooted,
like I said earlier, kind of like with politics and
religion and everything, like people are so high strung on
what they believe, and no one wants to be wrong.
Everyone wants to be right. Everyone wants to prove people

(30:22):
that they're correct. That's where it becomes hard when we're
trying to do shows like this, because I don't just
want to put out information that's not real or what
someone else thinks is you know what I mean, Like,
I'm not trying to go out there and just spread
around fake crap for people to listen to. Like, for me,
I have one hundred percent have to believe in anything

(30:44):
that I'm going to go out there and say, like
I think the government orchestrated at nine to eleven I do.
I mean, I don't care if I get in trouble
for saying I do. I think there's something behind that.
I don't think it was the cover story is not
one hundred percent accurate, and there's some more behind the
scenes stuff going on, and I'll say that and I'll
own it, but I'm not gonna I don't like when
people come on here and start spouting off all this

(31:05):
information as one hundred percent fact, but yet they can't
prove anything, because then it's not really enough.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
It's just you know, for sure. Yeah, I think there's
definitely an aspect of having to believe what you say
if you're like saying it to like in the sense
of yeah, this is this is true, or like I
give my stamp of approval. You have to kind of
believe that, you know, you have to kind of have
that Like I like that whole, Like you have to

(31:31):
understand it yourself in order to speak about it, you know,
Like people speaking out of ignorance is kind of it's
kind of funny sometimes to see.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
There is a lot of that that I've noticed in
the last few years of doing this show and just
listening to other things, that society right now is very
full of ignorance. And that's not for sure, that's not
a diss on anyone that listens to the show or
anything like that, but it's literally if you just pay
attention to the echo chambers of social media, and it's

(32:00):
literally nothing but people having no clue about anything, and
it's just a constant cess pool of arguments.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Oh yeah, for sure, I mean, I think, and a
lot of the time it's really just like it's really
self deprecating as well, where you get these people who
will have I'm all for debates. I love debates. I
love like being able to have two differing opinions and
being able to to like engage with those difference of
opinions and stuff like that, and and like defend your
own position against somebody who disagrees. I'm all for that,

(32:32):
and I love that type of engagement. I love that
type of activity. But when it gets to a point
where people really like start to like harm each other
for like for those beliefs or those opinions, where it
gets to a point where you know, people are attempting
on lives because of it, or it's getting to a
point where people are ending their own lives because of
differences of opinions, or it gets to a point where

(32:53):
it's just it's too much. You gotta just like, you
gotta take these as opinions because that's what they are
at the end of the day, and understand that not
everybody's agree with you, and you can have discussions or
you cannot, and you can just you know, keep it
to yourself, and you know, never talk about different never
talk to people who have a difference of opinion than you.
And that's fine if you want to live that way,
but you know, when you take it too far, that's

(33:15):
what I that's what I've been seeing a lot today
when people get called biggots, people get called racist or
homophobic or transphobic just because they have a difference of opinion,
or you know, you get called those sorts of names
because you just disagree when people can't just understand. You know,
not everybody's gonna agree with you, and that's that's fine.
You know, that's why we that's why we we live.

(33:35):
You know, that's why we're humans. We have different brains,
we have different ways of thinking, and that's that's the
beauty of being a human. But you know, you can't
you can't just go ahead and accuse somebody of being
this this this really bad thing. You know, you're you're
a you're a racist because you'd think that X, Y,
and z. It's like, you know, can't be that way,
you know what I mean. It's that's kind of what
society is kind of dived itself into recently.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
And to go back to the conspiracy realm, it's almost
as if someone has been pulling those strings to push
people that way.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
I completely agree with that, and that's one of the
biggest things that pushed me towards believing in that conspiracy theory.
More than anything else where that if you were to
ask me, like you did, you know which one is
the one that you would say you believe the most.
That's the one for sure, because just considering how society
has moved in the past one hundred years, and maybe

(34:27):
even a little bit more beyond that, but definitely in
the past hundred years, the way society has moved. We've
had two world wars, We've had the feminist movement, We've
had we've had the homosexuality like the LGBTQ movement come out.
We've had you know, the race like the race wars,
the gender wars happening and everything. It's kind of all

(34:48):
it's all kind of happened all at once, where you're
kind of you kind of got to think to yourself
at times, is this something intentional in order to like, like,
this is meant to happen so that we can be divided,
so we can be fighting each other and not worrying
that we're like we're not paying attention to the real threat,
the true enemy at hand. We're just fighting each other

(35:08):
about these these dumb, like really trivial topics that in
the long run won't mean anything. If we go to
World War three and the world restarts because the New
World Order wanted that, or something else happens because the
New World Order wanted that. We're we're still going to
be arguing about whether or not transgenderism exists or whatever
the case may be, Like, are we still going to

(35:29):
argue about that? Because there's gonna be bigger things that
are happening that we were too blind to see because
we're fighting amongst each other, you know. And that's definitely
one of the biggest things that make me kind of
believe and and and kind of subscribe to that, to
that conspiracy theory.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
It's easier to keep people distracted by giving them things
to argue about amongst each other. So the people behind
the scenes continue to do what they do, and we're
too busy fighting amongst ourselves to pay attention to what's
going on and the distractions from them. We see it
in the media, we see it everywhere we talk, see
anything where it's it's out there like it's there to

(36:06):
basically make us distracted while the puppet masters are back
pulling the strings and counting their money and everything else
that they do. And again one hundred percent believe this
that there are people I don't know who I'm not
going to name names I don't know. I think if
you actually know their names and you can say their names,
it's probably not the people that are actually pulling the strings.

(36:27):
But I think there's someone out there orchestrating a lot
of the chaos that goes on in the world.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
No for sure. And I think I would also go
a step further and say, like, they're much more intelligent
than we are, in the UH, in the in the
in the ministue, I guess, and in the individual they're
much more intelligent themselves going at it as a whole
versus us individually speaking. That's why they want us divided,

(36:57):
because together we're a lot smarter than they are, but
us apart us fighting each other, they're definitely twenty thousand
times smarter than we are, and they're pulling the strings
very very slightfully, very sneakily. And there's definitely people who
control different things, different aspects of the world, and they
have like their own responsibilities at least I feel that way. Like,
for example, you have the people who control Hollywood, you

(37:18):
have the people who control the music industry, you have
the people who control you know, kind of the health
and you know, there's been like a very big spike
in obesity. I wonder why that is. They want to
make people a lot weaker now, and there's people who
control that aspect of the world. There's people who control
the political aspect of the world, and so on and
so forth. I've always kind of had this, like this

(37:39):
funny idea, and it probably isn't true because, like you said,
if you can name them, that's probably isn't the person
because they don't want you to know who they are
at the end of the day. But I would probably
say that when it comes to like the music industry
of the world, jay Z to me feels like the
type of guy. The way he moves and the way
he controls a lot of that industry seems to me.

(37:59):
That seems to me to be the type of guy where, yeah,
he's definitely pulling some strengths for the for the for
the big for the big people, you know what I mean,
at least for me personally. That's why I would I
put my money on him.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
To be honest, there is a list of people that
without going out and just name dropping every single person,
but there's people like jay Z there's obviously Diddy, and
then there's all sorts of stuff, and this goes even
further into the whole weird Pizzagate theories of politicians and
other celebrities that are involved in here with these Epstein stuff. Like,

(38:33):
at some point you would think that there would be
some sort of revelations, but I don't see that happening
anytime soon. I know with the media right now, we
keep getting little stuff thrown out here and there, and
I think it's just to keep people again distracted and
guessing and changing the narratives because there's other things going

(38:53):
on behind the scenes, and we're all just kind of
being fed to follow whatever this is being dangled in
front of us. Were like the donkey walking around with
the carrot in front of us, except it's tied to
the thing that just keeps going in circles. And that's
what we are because anything like I just don't foresee
anything manifesting from this. I've been following these weird conspiracy

(39:13):
things for the last six years when it comes to
this political side of stuff, and it's always the same
running joke to me is something's happening, so ohrest are coming.
It's coming it's coming. It's coming. Well at what point,
you know what I mean? Like, for so long, everyone
keeps saying these same things. The white hats are coming

(39:34):
and they're doing. I heard this stuff back in the nineties.
It's funny because you said you're twenty one. Yeah, yeah,
I'm basically double your age. I'm almost forty two. So
all this stuff that's been going on, I've been down
these rabbit holes back in the nineteen nineties. Like I
remember the whole Line of Living thing when it happened.

(39:54):
I watched it live. So for me, it's like I've
been down this ath for so long. I just don't
see anything coming from it, anything good, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yeah, No, for sure, there's there's definitely been. There's always
that like thing that like, oh, it's going to happen
at this time, like for example, that one in that
one instance, I was alive for this for sure, but
where they were saying like, oh, the world's going to
end in twenty twelve because that's when the when the
calendars end or something like that, and whatever the case.
I remember that, and it obviously never happened. You know,
we're still here. There's always like you know, people spreading panic,

(40:29):
and there's always people who are saying things like the
world's going to end at this time, or you know,
there's gonna be an alien that an alien attack's going
to happen at this time, or you know, there's always
that like mongering.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
November of this year, there is a thing that came out.
Basically it is a not a UFO but some sort
of object that's now into our solar system and is
traveling by and there's some scientist guy claiming that it
could be a alien spaceship. And down the conspiracy realm

(41:02):
for the last two years, they've been talking about how
they're going to fake and alien invasion. The government is
and I don't necessarily believe in that, but that's what
the UFO community people have been talking about, and the
conspiracy people they are all on the same page that
there's a fake invasion and coming. And now that they're

(41:22):
talking about this thing showing up here sometime in November
of this year, they think that's what this is. It's
the pre course or pre coursor for this fake alien invasion.
I was like, Okay, well, I guess we'll see here
in the next couple of months.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah, I think I've seen things of that of that
as well, where it's like they have like a big
machine or something at one point. There's different phases of it.
There's different stages of the of the of like the
fake and alien invasion that they're going to do in
order to put everybody in bunkers or something. And I
don't know, I remember hearing things of that nature as well,
and like it's cool to see, Like it's cool to

(41:56):
think about. We're in the sense of like, you know,
what if there actually is going to be an alien
invasion happening on the on November. You know, maybe what
if that thing actually is real that's coming to us,
and what if it actually is an alien spaceship. But
then I think to myself and I'm like, you know,
what's fun to think about, But what if it is
you know, what am I going to do? Really? It's
like it's like it's like that whole entire funny meme

(42:18):
where you where they have a picture of like a
one hundred and ten foot wave coming at you and
you're like, like, POV, this giant tsunami is about to
hit you. What do you do? Like, what am I
going to do? I'm just going to stand there and
just at that point, I'm just going to take it.
What am I supposed to do? You know? So when
you when you talk about all these when we talk
about all these different like this is going to happen
at this point, it's like if it does, then okay,

(42:39):
so be it. Like I'll die or I'll I'll be
taken over by aliens or whatever the case. But I
got things to worry about right now. And I think
that's kind of where we all kind of where you
you snap back to reality to a certain degree where
you say, okay, there are actual responsibilities. I got to
take care about this point in time. You know, it's
fun to think about, but you know, I got things
to do, you know what I mean. And that's kind

(43:01):
of where it goes to, you know, people not really
taking it too seriously, like I was saying before, where
it's fun to think about, it's fun to think of
the what ifs, but in reality, we're all just gonna
we're all just gonna divert back to our our regular
you know, daily activities or daily responsibilities.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
If there's an alien ship coming and they let everyone
know there's an alien ship coming the world would stop
working the way that they want us to. So, I
honestly think if there was ever some big cata plet's
make event like a asteroid heading towards Earth or alien
ship coming, I honestly don't think they would let anyone know,
just because the amount of chaos that would happen.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
I don't think so either. Yeah, I think they would just.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Be We would never really know until you know, I
agree something happen.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
I agree with that they have too much control over
us right now that things like that, like you said,
it would just create just pandemonium and they would no
longer have control.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Yeah, I think the the people hide in their bunkers
or whatever they had to do. The important people would know,
but I think everyone else would be left in the dark.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
No, for sure. For sure, it's come like a thief
in the night. You know, like that that Bible verse
where where it talks about armageddon, it talks about the
the end of the world, and you know it's it
basically says that it'll come like a thief in the night,
you won't even notice it coming. I feel like that's
kind of how it would be here where if there
is actually an invasion and they they don't want you

(44:28):
to know about it. It's really just it's gonna come
and you're not even gonna notice. It's just gonna happen,
and the next thing you know, either you're dead or
or you got you know, alien sniffing your toes or something,
you know, you never know, you know what I mean,
It's just gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
If they come all the way down here from traveling
through space just to sniff toes. And I guess that
is a very strange species of creatures that they wanted
to get.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
They got. They got people who will who will relate
to them. Though for sure, Quentin Tarantino would definitely relate
to them.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
That's what I was just thinking. Him and Rex Ryan,
the old football coach.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Oh yeah, there's definitely people who will be like, oh
you guys are you guys are my best friends? Now?
We definitely agree on that.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Well, Matt, it has been almost an hour, usually trying
to keep these around an hour, So before we wrap
this up, I would like for you to let everyone
know where they can find your podcast.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah, man, So thank you very much for having me
first and foremost, I appreciate the opportunity it was an
awesome conversation. And like I said before, I love talking
about these type of things and having conversations about you know,
the scary and the strange and the mysterious, and you know,
it's cool to be able to sit down and talk
about this have a little bit of a change of
pace for my regular show. So I appreciate that very much.

(45:39):
Not a problem. So where they can find me, Basically,
you can find me anywhere where you get podcasts, so
Apple podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube. I post the Cat five
Boys podcast. We haven't been posting for a while, but
we're going to get back into it very very soon.
So if for the meantime you want to look at
the other stuff that we've posted, you can definitely feel

(46:00):
free to do. So. We've got some entertaining stuff, debates,
you know, different shows where we have different people on
have conversations with them. We have all sorts of people
on the show and we talk about all sorts of things.
So if you guys would like to check that out,
that'd be greatly appreciated. You know, make sure you like
subscribe all that all that good stuff, you know, if
you like the show, that'd be greatly appreciated. So you

(46:21):
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for the long form shows, and then we post clips
on TikTok, Instagram and also on YouTube post shorts, so
if you guys want to catch us there as well. Yeah,
so that's all at Cat five Boys. That's c A
T F I ve e b O y s. If
you guys want to catch us on any of those,

(46:41):
it's going to be just like that Cat five Boys.
So again, I appreciate you for having me on and
thank you for the conversation.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
It's been a pleasure. Thank you very much. Come on
here and for anyone listening, make sure to check out
Cat five Boys. Anywhere you'll find tenfoil Tels, you'll find
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Speaker 2 (47:01):
Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Pleasures all way.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
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Speaker 2 (47:13):
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Speaker 3 (47:14):
Follow me around on all the social media's and just
remember truth comes at a cost. Are you willing to
pay the price.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
I've heard a story be laid last night about something
alert along a wood line, you foot prints, strange lights
in the sky.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
They claim it's nothing, but I know they light.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
It's easier last to laugh in my face. But something
about this makes me say, what if it's great?

Speaker 4 (47:50):
What if they knew? What if the answers are coming
from you.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
I've been in story.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Wasting my time, hearing boy it says, is it all
in their minds?

Speaker 4 (48:05):
They can call me crazy, but I just want some froom.
What if it's true? What if it's real? What if
it's true?

Speaker 1 (48:15):
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the tales blend me a story that starts where the
logs gets What.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
If it's real? What if it's true? The answers are waiting,
They're waiting for you.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
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offman flies above the ferry giants hidden beneath the lies.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
They say, it's just stories.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
It's all they believe, the fairy tale sport of things
we can't perceive.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
They want to keep us blindly.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
They want to break our wheel.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
But I'm not buying it.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
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Speaker 4 (49:01):
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could set us free?

Speaker 1 (49:06):
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their minds.

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What if it's true? What if it's real? What if
it's true? What if the worlds not what we do?
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Speaker 1 (49:31):
A story that starts where the logics.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
What if it's real? What if it's true? The answers
are waiting, They're weighed in for you. They they lie,
We all be die, But the signs are there if
you open your eyes.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Aliens cricked its demon's ghost, the getul them too.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
What if it's me?

Speaker 4 (49:58):
Or what if its real? What if it's real? What
if it's true? What if the world's not what we do?
Tinfoil tells fullyeve me a story that starts where the lodges,
And what if it's read? What if it's true? The

(50:20):
answers are waiting, They're waiting for you. It's all in
our heads, it's all in our binders. These voices can
be silenced.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
The truth must rise.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
Simple tell it's pulling me?

Speaker 1 (50:35):
What if it's reading what if it's true