Ep. 224: Bigfoot in the Land of a 1000 Lakes

Welcome back to Tinfoil Tales! On this episode I am talking with Jeff, a former local resident to my area who now resides in Tennessee. When Jeff was a teenager, his family went on a vacation up along the Canadian border and he and his cousin had some strange activity happening, and an eventual sighting that he believes could have been a Bigfoot.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
And I just turned around and I call ass out
of there.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I was done.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
I wasn't dealing with them.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
that turned me.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Away the quickest.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
When I turned my head lights on, it turned and
looked at us. And one of the things I remember
the most where the eyes were going red. I see
an orb of light.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
It is just circling these steps.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Like it is waiting for me.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.
They're basically like, what are you talking about.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,
and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle,
nose and the eyes as soon as I made eye
contact with this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
And don't like death.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Welcome back to Tinfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon ton I.
We're joined by my guest Jeff. Jeff, thanks for coming
on here and talking with me.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, it's a pleasure and here to tell you my story.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Before we do that, would you like to let the
audience know a little bit about yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, I am. I am originally from where you're from,
and I'm sure a lot of people that listen to
you know where that is, and I have since then
moved down south around the Tennessee area, and I've lived

(01:45):
down here for probably forty years so, and I actually
went to high school around where you live. And I've
just had something happened to me when I was fifteen.
Happened to me and my cousin on a big fishing

(02:09):
trip that was planned by my dad and my uncles.
So that's that's the story I'm going to tell.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Did this happen here around this local area or was
it somewhere else?

Speaker 2 (02:22):
This was this was like the it was the It
was way back in like nineteen I remember correct. I
think it was nineteen seventy nine, had been fifteen, And
it was the biggest fishing type camping trip that my

(02:42):
dad and his brothers had ever concocted together. Were we
were just kind of a middle class family. My dad
worked in Cocomo and Chrysler, and we were kind of
a middle class family. And when we went on the location,
we went camping, and this time we were going up

(03:04):
to my dad and his brothers had rented this huge
houseboat and it was in a place called the Land
of a Thousand Lakes. I don't know if it's officially
called that, but the people from that area call it that.
It is northwest of Lake Superior. And the last time

(03:27):
I told this story, I messed up and said it
was northeast, and I was kicking myself afterwards. But no,
it's northwest of Lake Superior. And if you zoom in
on Google Maps on that area, just go northwest of
North Superior and get right on the Canadian border. The

(03:47):
south of the border is Minnesota, in the north of
the border is Canada, and there is this channel of
just it's like a maze of river and lakes and
inlets and islands and little bays, and it literally looks
like a maze. And that is the area where they

(04:10):
rented this huge houseboat Ah for us to go on
a big fishing trip because we were we were big
campers and fishermen and we liked to go up into
Michigan and and you know, in Minnesota and places like
that and and go fishing. So that's that's the area

(04:30):
we were going, is right there on the Canadian border,
and the Canadian border is literally on the water in
that area. The the area that we were on when
we went once we were out on this house this
big houseboat. It's like the northern shore of a lot
of these places, uh was Canada and the southern shore

(04:55):
was Minnesota. So uh it was, it was up it
was up there, pretty good, pretty pretty wilderness type area.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
So I'm looking at the map right now, and there's
from where I'm guessing it was. It would have been
just north of either Duluth and then south of thunder Vegas.
Thunder Bay is Canada side.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, if you look, if you look at uh, don't
don't look at Lake Superior. Look at the look at
the border of Canada and Minnesota, and and zoom in
on that that kind of area right right there, right
off of the lake. It's you can see why they

(05:49):
call it the Land of a Thousand.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Lakes, all right, there's just spots of lakes everywhere.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, it's it's crazy. And uh this uh this this.
When we were driving up there, we drove through Superior.
I remember we went through uh Superior National Forest, and
we stopped at one time to sleep overnight on the

(06:17):
way up there at one of the old Koa campgrounds
that I think they still exist, Yeah they do. But
it was in the it was either right off of
or right in the Superior National Forest. And yeah, those
were those were woods forests, you know that I that

(06:41):
I me and my cousin he was. My cousin was
the same age as me, and he was with us.
And uhh, when you look like when you look into
into the woods and you're from northern Indiana. I tried
to explain it. You can when you look into a woods,
most of the times you can see speckles of light,

(07:02):
you know, coming through the other side. You know there's
another side of this woods. And if you can't see
all the way through the woods, like maybe you're out
by the Cinewall Dam or something, the woods are a
little denser, a little bigger. You know, you could just
walk in a straight line and sooner or later you're
gonna hit a farmer's field or a country road or something.
You know. But man, these when you look into the woods,

(07:26):
the forest up up there, it's different. It's the trees
are like way bigger. You can't see the other side,
and you know that there's like not another side to
this woods. If you walk in there, you.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Know it's like untapped.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like you almost get that feeling like
like somebody who maybe the first time they ever looked
at the ocean and they're looking out there and they're like, man,
I don't see the other side of this. You know,
you get that kind of funny feeling. It's like it's
kind of ominous, you know, the first time you look

(08:03):
at the ever see the ocean. M hm. And man
looking into some of these woods up there, it's it was,
it's that feeling, you know, you know, they just it's
it kind of gets you in the stomach, you know.
And uh, but yeah, And when we went on through

(08:26):
there and you know, by the you know, spend the
night there and went up and I can't remember the
name of the place. I was too young kick care,
but I do remember we were we were pulling two boats.
We had like more than one truck and we were
pulling two boats. Uh. One of them was a little

(08:48):
aluminum boat, a little flat bottomed thing with a little
five We had a little five horrorse kind of just
hand teller engine and that was going to be me
and my cousin's kind of plaything when we were there.
And then we had my grandpa's bigger fishing boat. It
was like a nineteen foot old aluminum mastercraft with a

(09:11):
big murk on the back of it, and that was
kind of his my dad and his brothers and my
grandpa's kind of that was their fishing boat that they
used all the time. And we were gonna we were
going to tow these The plan was to tow these
behind the big houseboat they rented when we were going

(09:32):
to go up into this land of a thousand Lakes,
because they had heard that there's like monster walleye schools
and you know, you could catch all these you know,
you could catch muskies and northern pike and you know,
and all these kind of you know, big fish up there.
So that's where we were headed. And this guy we

(09:53):
got to this place where this boat was, and me
and my cousin just thought it was the coolest thing ever.
This this boat. It was. It was really long, but
it in actuality when you look back on it, and
you know, he it was, it was really kind of
run down and rickety. It almost reminded you of a

(10:14):
of a trailer on two big long pamp pontoons with
two motors on the back of it. And it had
like a deck sticking out of the front with a
railing and then a deck on the top. But other
than that, it just it just kind of looked like
a trailer on pontoons. But we thought it was really cool.
And uh, this uh, this guy that was in charge

(10:36):
of this place that was rent renting this this thing
that my dad and uncles had been talking to and
they were talking about how to navigate once you got
back in there, and that there was this radio on
the boat, and there wasn't a whole lot of places
to get fuel. Most of them were on the American
side and not the Canadian off. It was all about
these it was all about these following these yellow buoys

(10:59):
or something like that all through there. And because we
were planning on going back up in there, like two
days worth of traveling up in there on this boat.
And when this guy found out that we were towing
these other boats, he looked right at and he saw
the little aluminum boat with the small engine. And this guy,

(11:25):
this old guy, he looked right at me and my cousin,
and he goes, don't you ever take that boat out
of eyesight of the big boat of the houseboat. And
he was serious, man, and he's and he goes, people
have gotten lost and they have had to send send

(11:46):
out people to search for people that get lost in
this area. He said, you make sure you keep you
don't get away from the big boat. You need to
keep it in eyesight the whole time. And that was
kind of ominous, you know. And I mean, and my
cousin are like, yeah, okay, you know, and and so

(12:07):
you know, after that, we uh, I wish I could
remember the name of that place. I don't even know
if they still rent those boats up.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
There like that.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
I bet they do, but yeah, that's uh, that's kind
of the area we were in and everything. So we
were way up there, kind of in the wilderness, in
this land of a thousand lakes. And uh, I guess
after the after we dropped the little boats in the water,
the little boat ramp there and they had a parking

(12:37):
place for for people that rented the house boats and stuff.
And so we got a bunch of gro They had
a little grocery store there. We got a bunch of
groceries and stuff, and and got on the got on
the boat and set off on our little kind of
floating trailer park home. I guess we were driving there

(13:00):
and set off on our big fishing trip. And we
were about this about the second day. We'd been fishing
and running the little boat all over the place, you know,
and finding places to anchor. And let's see, I think

(13:21):
it was like the second day. We were kind of
way up in there the second morning, and I remember,
this is the kind of wilderness this place is. We
saw we saw all kinds of big animals. And it's
like one time we were out and me and my

(13:44):
cousin were in the little aluminum boat and we're kind
of putting around and we were pretty far away from
the you know, being fifteen year old, we'd get as
far as the way as we could but still be
able to see the boat. And we were probably two
hundred two hundred yards or so away from the bank
on this opposite shore line, and we actually saw a

(14:06):
pack of wolves and they just the the banks of
all of this area. There was islands and inlets and
little lagoons and place in peninsulas, and it was literally
a maze. And there was some big open water places,
but other than that, it was it was really like

(14:28):
just this curly, gnarly, just maze of a place. All
of the shorelines were the same though they were all
had this little kind of three foot wide gravel beach
up to where there was giant boulders big enough that
you could hop, you know, kind of kind of take

(14:51):
big steps on and jump from boulder to boulder, and
those went for probably anywhere from you know, twe need
to thirty feet back to where then there was the
tree line, and then the boulders kind of went back
up into the tree line, and the edges of the
edge of the tree line was just these massive trees
and they were all kind of they were all kind

(15:13):
of like they weren't broadly, they were all like, I guess,
what do you call them, conifer or pine treelike, but
they were huge and like old growth trees. Because we
were doing a lot of this on the Canadian side too,
and so we see these wolves come out of the

(15:34):
woods and there's like eight or nine of them, and
they just come bouncing across the tops of these big
boulders and we saw them for probably I don't know,
maybe seven to ten seconds, run down this shoreline across
these boulders, and they were lighting across the tops of

(15:56):
these boulders. It looked like they were floating. It looked
I mean, it looked it looked like a Kung Fu movie,
you know, it was. It was just unreal how smith
it was. And then they just turned and bounded back
up into the woods like they had done it a
million times. And you know, we just me and my
cousin are just are just freaking out. We looked at

(16:17):
each other and we went we were like those were wolves,
you know, And and we uh, we had noticed that
the one in the front was twice almost twice the
size of the rest of the wolves. It was either
it was either a mama wolf with some kind of
grown up pups, you know, grown up cub pups and

(16:39):
the bigger ones, or it was like the leader of
a pack or something. In this one in the front
was just huge. And then uh, let's see. Uh we
saw during this whole trip, the whole family being outfishing
and stuff and doing stuff. We saw moose, we saw bears,

(17:00):
we saw beaver. We we saw me and my cousin
were the only ones that saw wolves. Oh. The we
had been seeing beaver's out swimming around and you could
get up pretty close to him in the boat when
they were out swimming and stuff, and then they'd dive.

(17:22):
But we saw this one we didn't know what it
was at first. It was an animal up on the shoreline.
So we start heading towards it, and we're thinking. We're thinking,
you know, it's just kind of down on all fours,
and me and my cousin were out in the little
boat hutting around, and we think. We say to each other,

(17:44):
that's a bear. That looks like a small black bear
or something. So we get excited and we're heading towards it.
If we're out in the water and we're thinking, you know,
oh man, we're going to go get to see this bear.
And when we got close enough to it, it was
a beaver. It was it was the biggest freaking beaver
that I had no idea that they got this big.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
I talked to not to interrupt you, but I talked
to someone last year that claimed that there was beavers
in Canada. The people have reported seeing that are huge. Yea,
almost like you said bear size. I've read the exact
measurement these things were, but there's like a ridiculously large beavers.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah. This was like, well, when it was far away
and it was just this kind of dark blob on
the bank and we were looking at we thought it
was like a small black bear. And we got up
there to it, and it was kind of on its
hind haunches and it had like a branch in its hand,
and it was kind of and it was kind of
chawing on it, and it was right next to the water,

(18:50):
and we got it closer to it, and man, I swear,
if you'd have been standing up there beside it, its
head would have been up to your belt would have
been up to your belt line standing on his hind haunches.
It was. It was that big. It was like it
was it was like a German shepherd with a paddle tail,

(19:10):
you know. It was. It was that big.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
I saw a dead one up by Gary, Chicago area,
northwest Indiana years back, and I didn't know that's what
it was, but it was on like I think it
was like eighty ninety four whatever highway that is it
goes up that direction is just right off on the
edge of the road, like right in the center of
the like where the lanes are split. I thought it

(19:35):
was a used like a doll, but it had a
big old paddle tael I was a giant beaver.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, they get I had no idea they were that big. Yeah,
I'm I'm thinking they're like this, you know, groundhog size,
kind of rodent with a flat tail. You know, they're
they're massive. They they're massive. And yeah, down here talking

(20:00):
about things dead on the road, I finally saw. I
knew they were all over down here, lots of them
otters down here. When you get a little on the
southern side of Middle Tennessee, we get a lot of otters.
And I saw one dead on the road on my

(20:22):
way to work. I was on my bike, my motorcycle,
going to work, and this They they're unusually big too.
This thing was probably five and a half feet long
from the tip of its tail to the tip of
its nose. It must have been like a big mail
or something, but it was. It was laying out across

(20:44):
the road. Somebody run over it. And that's that's kind
of sad for you know, because it's an otter. You know.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
So there is a place not far from here that
actually had an otter that was living off the side
of the road. I had like a little pond area
and there was an otter and hit and I've always
wondered whatever happened to it, because I know we did
a lot of construction through there, So I don't know
if it's still lived there or not, because I thought

(21:10):
otters were kind of endangered for around here.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, there's a bunch of them down here, so I've heard.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, I'm not sure how it is up here in Indiana.
I've never seen one in person. I just I saw
pictures of the one that they'd had and video that
they recorded of it out back down around this pond area.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
So yeah, yeah, but well anyway, we were let's see,
it was like maybe the second night we were there,
we found, ah.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
We found this this kind of a it wasn't really
an island. It was like if you took an if
you took an island the size of maybe put about
five football fields kind of clam them together, and and
it was kind of an island like that, but it
had like this umbilical kind of piece that was connecting

(22:12):
it to the main land. And this it was probably
this this little piece that connected it to the mainland
was probably maybe one hundred and fifty feet long, and
it kind of curved and but it was but it

(22:34):
was thin. It was only about maybe thirty feet wide,
and it was it was it was odd because the island.
It's still it still had that same bank around it,
the gravel and then the big boulders and then trees.
And I'd heard it that this the reason that this

(22:59):
a lot of these areas is up there look like this,
and it's it's the same with Wisconsin and the the
what is it North Dakota and and all that the
reason this area kind of looks like this, and is
because I heard it it's all been carved out by
the last two ice ages or something like that. The glaciers.

(23:20):
Glaciers have carved out this these areas to make them
form these thousands of lakes like this. And so I
guess all these banks are kind of you know, they're
all the same, probably because I'm not sure, you know,
I'm not a geologist or anything, but uh, all the

(23:42):
banks look the same with these boulders and and so
this this umbilical part of this. I guess if you
if you if you had a drone and you were
looking straight down on this island and the way it
was connected to the land, it would look probably like
a like a tadpole, and the tip of the tail
would be to the mainland, and then one side of

(24:06):
the tail of it. This umbilical cord part of it
made this kind of gravelly beach. I guess it's just
the way the currents and stuff was. The gravel part
was a lot bigger on one side of it. So
my dad and his brothers and let's see, my grandma

(24:26):
and grandpa were there, aunts, and me and my cousin,
and so there was a bunch of us. We had
been catching a lot of fish right there, and man,
we were catching fish. It was like they were at
one point they were worried about where they were going
to start putting fish because the coolers were starting to
get full of fish. And they had pulled the houseboat

(24:51):
up and kind of banked to the front end of
it up on this beach and then anchored the back
of the houseboat. And we were going to stay in
this spot for a few days. We were really catching
fish here, and we were, like I said, we were
about two days back up in there. And so this
this island, I call it Bigfoot Island in my story

(25:15):
that I tell people. Uh, we me and my cousin,
we're both fifteen. Were we were. We had the island
wasn't real big, Like I said, about five football fields
and but big old growth trees on it. And we
had been playing on this island for you know, the

(25:36):
whole day. We knew the island we were, we had
been all over it. And so oh that night that
we were on that beach and it got dark and
we were all in the house boat, the whole family.
We started hearing wolves howling off in the all in

(26:00):
the distance, and uh yeah, and we're on the Canadian
side and it's all old growth trees for miles and
I don't know, probably one hundred miles, but we're hearing
these wolves and it was like you could you could
hear them on one side and you could hear them
on the other for like it was two different groups,

(26:21):
and it just it. I really love animals. I'm kind
of an artist illustrator at work as well as a
as well as the photographer. I work for a marketing department,
so i'm i'm I have to do a lot of
that kind of artwork and stuff. And my favorite thing

(26:43):
to draw as animals always has been, ever since I
was a kid, and so I was loving it. Man,
you could hear them. It sounded like they were singing,
and one side would go off and then the other
side would kind of sound off, and we listened to
them for quite a while. We were we all heard them,
and we all went up on this on the upper
deck of the boat, and the whole family was up there.

(27:03):
And you know, you get people from Indiana from you know,
you you know that Wabash Valley basin area of Indiana.
You know, I used to hearing wolf's singing man and
it was and we were all there listening to him,
and it was awesome. It was really like beautiful, really

(27:24):
and then right at the end of it, we had
been listening to them for probably man, I bet they
would I bet they were sounding off for a half hour.
Right at the end, there was this one howl that
was closer to the boat, not as far away as

(27:45):
and it wasn't coming from the same place as the
other two where the two groups were. It was really
loud and really deep and longer. It was it was like,
I don't know, probably twice as long as a human

(28:06):
could maybe hold a note. Ah, and it was it
sounded kind of like wolf, but it was just deeper
and louder and and different. And after it stopped, all
of the wolves stopped instantly stopped howling, and we did

(28:27):
not hear another wolf that night. It's like that stopped
all of the all the sound, and then all as
you could hear after that was just the bugs, you know,
the crickets and the bugs from the from the forest
in the night. And I remember my uncle he kind
of joked about it because it kind of startled everybody.

(28:49):
My uncle kind of looked. Everybody got silent for a second,
and my uncle kind of looked around and he goes, wow,
that was a big one, and everybody just kind of
laughed it off. But because of what happened later, I
don't I don't think the last howl was a wolf.

(29:09):
I think it was something else. And but yeah, anyway,
the next day we were, me and my cousin were
back out in the in this little aluminum boat. Because
that's that's like all, like I said, that little aluminum

(29:30):
boat saved me and my cousin from having to be
around grown ups the whole time. That was our plaything
out on the lake. That's how we got away. We
would we would steal my grandma's cigarettes and and and
go to either go to the other side of the
of the island or get in the boat and go
out and smoke, you know, because we were fifteen and

(29:51):
stupid and did that. And this one time we were
out kind of on the we were in the little
aluminum boat, but on kind of the other side of
the island. But we could see the island, and we
were we were even we even had talked about it,
We're going, well, we can it's okay that we can't
see the houseboat because we can see the island right

(30:14):
there we were, and we went on down and then
we went.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Off.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I don't even know what direction it would have been.
We were just kind of to the left of the
island and we came around this like peninsula that was
sticking out quite a ways, and we see sticking up
from the water water's edge this this this rock face,
this cliff face, and it was it was not straight up.

(30:42):
It was like at about a forty five degree angle, so,
and it was tall, man, it was probably it was
some I don't I can't judge heights like that. It
was it was between one hundred and hundred and fifty
feet tall, but it was only had like a forty
five of your angle and it was just this this
rock face, and and so me and my cousin. We

(31:06):
pulled the boat up in there and we kind of
beat it on the little gravelly part of the base
of it, and you know, being teenagers, we proceed to
climb this thing because it's like an an angle that
you can climb. And I remember we got about halfway
up and we had this, uh, I don't know if
you remember the the old little instant Kodak cameras. Yeah, you'd,

(31:33):
you know, you'd you'd use them up and take them
to the one hour photo and get your pictures and ah.
But we had one of those with us, and we
were we were like taking pictures of each other and
we would tilt the camera so that it looked like
we were climbing straight up this like Spider Man. And
it was pretty funny. So we were, you know, so

(31:55):
we were goofing around. We're on this on this cliff,
and we were we were and loud, and you know,
playing and climbing and throwing rocks and you know, and
and climbing. When we got to the top, we went
all the way to the top of this thing and
there was the there was the tree line that started

(32:15):
at the top of it, and we were standing there
looking into that woods. Well, I guess it's not a woods,
it's a forest. And and we were looking back in
there and it was like it was so dark and
so deep. Because we were on the Canadian side, it
was even more kind of eerie looking then the Superior

(32:40):
National Forest down in down in Minnesota. It was this
was like great North Canadian wood, you know, old growth woods,
and in between the trees you could you could look
and it there was not It would just get darker
and darker and darker until it was just black. You
could you could look up and see the sky through

(33:05):
the canopy of these pines, but when you looked straight
into it, it just it just got to where you
couldn't see anymore. It was just turned. It would just
turn black. And there wasn't a lot of branches down close.
It was down close to the ground, I guess because
the light could not get down to the ground to

(33:27):
grow smaller things in this old growth, and it was
all just pine needles and moss. So we're looking back
in there, and my cousin he's standing beside me, and
he says, man, he's getting the same feeling I'm getting,
you know, looking in here, and and he's like, man,

(33:47):
you could just walk back in there, and if you
made wrong move or turn the wrong way, you got lost,
you'd just be dead. He said, you'd never come out.
And he's kind of creeping me out, and I'm turning
and we and I turned and I'm looking look at
him and I we had a little conversation there, you know,
about how creepy it was and stuff. But when I

(34:08):
looked when when I turned and looked back into the
direction of the woods where we were looking, I got this.
I got It didn't hit me at first that something
was different, but I got this feeling that made me
get like really scared and uh, kind of a dreadful

(34:30):
just feeling. And I couldn't I couldn't really place what
it was. But then it it hit me after staring
in there for a minute, because I was I was
kind of puzzled. I was like, something's different, and and
what it was was you know how a tree can
get like a disease on the side of it, or

(34:51):
a bug bores into it and it gets a great, big,
not big, bulging piece that kind of sticks off the
edge of the tree. I'm sure you've seen that.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
In the woods right, Yeah, I don't know what you mean.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
When I was looking back in the woods, I remember
there being like five or six or even more than
that back back in there, these these lumps on the
sides of some of these trees. And when I when

(35:28):
when I turned to that, my cousin was talking to me,
and when I turned to look at him, and when
I turned back, all of these lumps were gone. The
trees were straight up and down. These lumps that were
on the sides of these trees, we're all gone. And
and I just it just it scared me, and I

(35:51):
looked at my cousin. I said, Okay, man, you're creeping
me out. Let's just go back. Let's climb back down
and and get out of here. So we you know,
we did. We climbed it back down. I'd never said
anything to them to him about it till later, but
at that, at that moment, because because I really my

(36:12):
brain did not register quickly that something had changed. And
now now I think that it could have been it
could have been something looking around the edges of trees something,
because they were probably thirty to forty yards back anywhere

(36:36):
from anywhere from maybe twenty five thirty of it because
they were at different it's different spacing going back in there,
and then you couldn't see much further than that, and
and maybe something looking around the edge of a tree
at us and that was the same color as the tree.

(37:00):
So yeah, and we just we kind of we kind
of got out of there and uh, climbed back down
and got out of there and and went back to
the little island, and so yeah, that was that was like,
that was like the second kind of creepy thing that
happened to us on this on this trip, first being

(37:22):
this weird long howl that stopped all the other wolves
from howling, and then this feeling at the top of
this cliff and the and the trees changing like that.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
About high up on the tree wasn't like well.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
It was if you're if you're looking back in because
at that from the at once you got to the
top of the cliff, it leveled out like plateau like,
so it was pretty level with me and when you
look at it was it was anywhere from like from
like my height. And I mean, I grant you, I'm

(38:05):
not I'm not a tall person. I'm five nine and
I was probably five seven back then when I was
fifteen anywhere from like my head height to further to
a little further up. Some I remember some of them
were kind of eye level, and some of them you
kind of had to look up at, and but not

(38:26):
like way up in the trees, like just some of
them were higher up, and some of them were level
with me. And but I never saw anything move. Everything
was still. It's just when I when I looked away
and then looked back, they were gone. And there was
like like I said, there was like five or six

(38:49):
of them. I just remember these bumps on the sides
of these trees. So we climbed, we climbed back down
to the boat and we we we put it out
of there and and got back around and got back
to the houseboat. And uh so that it was either

(39:11):
that night or the next I think it might have
been that same night. Me and my cousin thought we
were going to be big and bad. We were going
to go to the other side of the island from
where the houseboat was parked on this on this little
Umbilical Cord Peninsula park that was the peace holding this

(39:31):
island to the mainland. We were going to go to
the opposite side of it. And we were going to
night fish, and we were going to fish all night
long because we were men, you know, And so we
it got to be like sunset, and we we took
the little boat around there. We didn't we could have walked,

(39:55):
you know, but we didn't. We we took the little
boat around there because we loaded stuff in the little
boat and we went around it. So we're setting a sleep.
What all did we have. We had like the little
old school orange life jackets to sit on. We had
the wool army blankets.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
We had.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
We had an old Coleman lander, you remember, the old
green one. You had to pump it up and it
made the hiss of noise and you light it and
the things would glow. And but we had one of those,
and we had we had foil on one side of
the glass of the Coleman lantern, like just halfway around,

(40:41):
like uptight on the glass. And this was something my
grandpa had taught us about night fishing, that you know,
you could set that on the bank, on a rock
or something in front of you and it wouldn't shine
in your eyes. It would all just shine out into
the water and you could you could fish. So we
had to we had that, and we had two fishing poles,

(41:04):
and we stole some more of my grandma's cigarettes, I remember,
and we stole two perhaps blue ribbon beers and uh
because that was like my uncle's favorite, and it was
a little refrigerator full of it back there, So we
swiped a couple of those, you know. And there we
were out there fishing in the sun had gone down,

(41:25):
and we were fishing, and we were out there being men,
you know, and we weren't being men for too much
longer because we caught our first fish and we realized
that we did not have a stringer, we didn't have
anything to put this fish on or in. So we

(41:47):
sat there and thought about it again and my cousin.
My cousin was like, oh, I know what we can do.
And he starts digging this, digging this hole kind of
out in the gravel right beside where the water's kind
of lapping up from the lake. And I said, what
are you doing. He goes, let's make a hole right
here and let the lake water kind of come down
in it, and we'll put big rocks around the front

(42:09):
of it, and we'll put our fish in there. So
we didn't it worked pretty good. I mean, we put
the big rocks around the front so the fish couldn't
really jump out and put a fish in there. And
it turns out later we were catching so many fish
we had to keep making the hole bigger because we
were catching we were catching crappie. We were catching these
big like bigger than your hand, thicker than your hand,

(42:31):
a big keeper size, nice croppy, right, And we had
caught maybe a dozen of them, maybe more, and we
hear something and by this time, I'm guessing, I'm just guessing.

(42:53):
Let's see, the moon was out, it was high up,
and stars were out and stuff, and it was maybe
two o'clock in the morning, and we hear footsteps behind
us in the tree line on the on the island
behind us. We're sitting on the bank facing the water,

(43:15):
the Coleman lanyards in front of us, and it's only
shining out into the water. We're sitting on these big boulders.
The boulders go up maybe thirty feet to the tree
line behind us, and we hear something walking in the
woods and it kind of walks down past us. And

(43:38):
I can't tell you if it sounded like it was
bipedal or walking on four legs or something. Yeah, I've
done a lot of hunting when I was younger with
my dad and when I was older down here a bit.
I don't hunt so much now, but I know that, man,

(44:00):
when a deer walks through the woods, it can sound
just like just like a person, just like a bipedal
person walking through the woods. And I don't know how
people can tell if something is on four legs or
two because even I've been hunting, and even a squirrel,
when a squirrel jumps through, it goes through the woods
and it's going in the leaf litter, it hops from

(44:21):
spot to spot, it sounds exactly like somebody walking.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
I was filming stuff for this documentary that I was doing,
and we were hearing something walking towards us in the
middle of the night in an area that we're not
even supposed to be in, and it sounded bigger than
what it actually ended up being, and it finally came
out as a possum.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
I was expecting to see something bigger than a possum,
but it was just a possum.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, And yeah, it's crazy because so I really can't
see how people can tell if something they say oh
it sounded bipedal. I don't, I don't. I don't get that, because,
like I said, a deer can sound just like somebody
walking through the woods. But it was going really slow,

(45:12):
like almost almost a creeping step, not just like chunk
chump chunk to the woods. You could tell it was
like crunch, crunch, crunch, you know. It was that kind
of almost like it's something creeping past. So me and
my cousin are immediately the first thing that pops into

(45:34):
our heads. Our dads are back there trying to scare us.
You know. We're out here fishing at night, and we
made a big deal about we were going to fish
all night. Our dads are back there trying to scare us.
So my cousin yells back into the woods. He goes,
we know you're back there. Stop trying to scare us,

(45:56):
you know. And and we were a little bit worried
because we had like cigarettes and beer cans with us, so,
you know, but as soon as my cousin did that,
the footsteps stopped, and then just a few seconds later
they started back up again, even like slower, and then

(46:20):
they slowly kind of speed it up, and they went
on down past us, you know, further down then the
opposite side from where the big houseboat would have been.
So uh so we're down we're fishing for a little
while longer, and we kind of we're kind of talking
about that and stuff and about hearing the footsteps and stuff,

(46:44):
and we hear this big splash in the water and
it makes that sound like something heavy. Can't we can't see.
It's far down from us, down the bank, and it
sounded like somebody throwing a brick into the water. It

(47:06):
made that depthy kind of that kabluge kind of noise,
not not like a slapping like a like a like
a fish spattering when it kind of breaks the water,
didn't sound like that. It was that it was that
deep sound. And I know I've heard I've heard other

(47:27):
people on bigfoot things talk about the same splash, same thing.
But this was in nineteen seventy nine. You know, there
was there was not a lot of bigfoot stuff out
there was the the legend the Boggy Creek, I think
was I never went to the movies to see. I

(47:48):
just it was a bigfoot was not something that you
thought about when you was you know, in farmland northern Indiana, right.
You know, you didn't think about I mean, you didn't
think about any of the kind of animals that we
were seeing that you know too, you know, rural northern

(48:09):
Indiana boys were just we're not used to this kind
of animals and carnivores and stuff.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
You know, even today, people around here still don't even
consider Indiana like a place you'd think Bigfoot would be.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah, yeah, and uh, I hope, I hope you guys.
I hope you guys see something making your making your dog.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
It'd be nice, But I'm not gonna hold my breath.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yeah, at least hear something or something, you know, or
at least some footprints or something, you know, would be cool.
But we hear the splash and we're and we're like, man,
that was a that was a big fish. If that
was a fish, that was a huge fish. And we

(49:01):
had we had talked about, you know, my cousin says, well,
maybe it was a beaver. And because when we were
out in the in the little boat tooling around in
the daytime, we would try to get up close to
beavers when they were swimming. And because they were swimming,
there was beavers everywhere. Man, they were swimming everywhere, and
when you get your boat too close to them, they'd

(49:22):
get mad and they dive and they could make kind
of a little bit of a like a cabluge kind
of depthy noise. But there was always this like hard
tail slap on top of the water right when they
would dive. They slap their tail on the water when
they dive, just by the way they dive, and it
made a defining sound. And this was not like that.

(49:45):
It was it was more and much more like a deep,
just kabluge kind of sound. And so we're talking about that,
and all of a sudden, it was just a few
seconds after that splash, maybe thirty seconds, we hear these
footsteps back behind us in the woods again, except they're

(50:07):
going the opposite direction, and they're going back behind us
in the woods, down the other way from by the
way they went last times, from the direction of that splash.
So we're we're talking about that, and we're still going
you know, at this point, we're like hoping it's somebody
trying to scare us, and we hear another splash on

(50:35):
the opposite side of us that's like the same distance
maybe from the opposite side of us that the other
splash was that same depthy bluge kind of kind of noise,
And so I pick up the lantern and I shine
it down that way. You know, I'm standing up for

(50:59):
just a second. I've got one hand on my fishing pole,
one hand on the top of the lantern, and I
shine it down that way. And I don't see anything
down there now, this lantern, it's only shining probably out
forty maybe forty feet that's about how far maybe it
shine out into the water. So I'm I'm like, I

(51:19):
step the lantern back down and I sit back down.
We're fishing some more, and we're kind of getting nervous
now because we know that that did not sound like
a fish. We're we're not we're not telling each other
that we're nervous or scared, but we were. Because you know,

(51:40):
we're fifteen, we weren't gonna admit that we were scared
of each other. And so we're sitting there and we're fishing,
and our backs are to the woods. We're down by
the edge of the water on the first set of
boulders kind of off of this little three foot kind
of gravelly area, and then there's our little dugout for

(52:02):
our fish and then the lake water. And the boat
is pulled up on this gravel ten feet down from us,
and we're facing the water, and we're talking about it,
and we hear we hear this crack behind us, but

(52:24):
up in the canopy of the trees, the thirty feet
behind us, and then up into the branches of the
tree tops, there's a crack and we both just freeze.
I remember, I remember, I held my breath and we're
looking out into the lake. The light from the lantern
is shining out in the lake. It's not shining back

(52:45):
on us. And I swear this is the part people
do not believe. A rock the size of a football,
maybe a little bit smaller than a football, like a
small football, like a nerf ball, but that shape kind
of oval goes tumbling end over end, directly over our

(53:07):
heads in the shine of the lantern, and we can
see it tumbling. It goes out into the water about
probably thirty maybe forty feet in front of us, out
into the water, hits the water in the shine of
the lantern, and just shoots this splash, this column straight
a column of water, straight up, And I just remember

(53:31):
how how just straight up and almost stiff. This splash
looked and because the lantern was shining on it, and
it made that same damn noise, that same exact Cabluese
kind of noise. We both stand up, our fishing poles
are still in our hand, and we turn around and

(53:52):
we face the woods. We are we I remember gripping
my fishing pole so hard it made my hand hurt.
And nobody's brave enough to pick up the lantern and
shine it into the woods. We didn't say that to
each other, kind of unspoken Neither one of us was

(54:14):
brave enough to shine the lantern to the tree line.
So our backs are to the lantern, which is shining
out into the water, and we're facing the trees, and
the only thing that's on the trees is now is moonlight.
And our eyes are trying to focus on these trees,
and we're not saying anything. And then my cousin, he

(54:37):
whispers in this kind of shaky voice, and he goes,
he knew that I like to draw animals and stuff,
and that I like, you know, I like studied them.
I kind of know a little bit about him and stuff.
And he goes, Jeff, he goes, bears can't throw rocks
like that, can they? And I just said no, you know,
And as soon as almost as soon as that left

(54:58):
my lips, we hear straight in front of us in
the tree line, like the boulders were looking over go
back to the tree line, maybe thirty five feet thirty
thirty five feet, and we can't see We can see
the trees, but we can't see back in there. Just
back in there. We hear this exhale and it sounded

(55:24):
like it sounded sounded big. It sounded like a bull exhaling.
It was, and it was almost like a sigh. It was.
It was. There was no voice, noise to it. It
was just kind of a kind of a oh, a
big exhale. And man, as soon as we heard that,

(55:47):
the fish and pools dropped out of our hands. We
went running down those boulders, lighting across the top of
those boulders in the dark. You know, forget the you know,
forget the boat, forget the lantern. We were booking it

(56:07):
down this bank across the tops of these boulders. You know,
skinny fifteen year old boys running when they think something's
chasing them, right, And I mean I can remember our
feet just lighting off the drops of these almost like
almost like the wolves we saw earlier, you know. And

(56:28):
and when I think back on it, I'm thinking, man,
if we'd have fell running full blast in the dark,
it's just moonlight, if we'd have fell on boulders that size,
it could have really hurt one of us. But we didn't.
I mean, we made it, man. We made it all
the way around the left edge of the island, across

(56:52):
you know, across the little uh umbilical cord part there,
down the beach, and they the gangplank which was just
like this kind of wide board that had grip tape
on it that they had put down off of the
tip of the boat onto the beach so that people
could walk up and down. It was pulled up. Didn't

(57:14):
stop us in the least. Man. Our feet hit the water.
We jumped, dove up onto the front front part of
the boat, front deck that stuck out there, and practically
practically busted in the screen door of front of the boat.
And by this time, it's like two thirty three o'clock
in the morning, had to be so we are we're

(57:41):
so people are waking up. You know, we're not waking
people up, but like the clatter and the vibration and
us freaking out and people start waking up and they're
not happy. They're like kind of angry. Until it was odd.
It was like it was like, you know what, help
you too, think you're going And then they noticed and

(58:02):
then they noticed how light panicked we are, and they're like,
what's wrong, and and we tell them what happened. And
I remember my dad and my uncle's faces they all
had they were, you know, not happy because we woke

(58:23):
them up, and all of a sudden they hear this
and they get this little like grimace grin on their
face and they're like, what are you talking about? You know,
because you know they don't believe us because we're fifteen.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
And and they were We're like almost pleading with them, right,
and they were like, my my uncle's like, y'all, you
guys just got scared.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
It's just a moose or a deer in the woods,
fish jumping you guys just you guys got spooped and
you ran back here. And we were like, no, we knew,
you know, we knew that was that that was not
the case, but you know, they didn't believe it, and
you know, so they're they're thinking this. And while this

(59:16):
is happening, my grandpa, uh, all of these brothers, dad was,
my grandpa was with us. He gets up, he doesn't
say anything. Uh, it's not making fun of us, not
saying saying anything, gets up, walks out the back corners
of the boat, pulls up the anchor, walks back in,

(59:39):
puts the key in the ignition, starts the boat up,
and backs this whole giant boat off of the And
my dad and his brothers are just looking looking at
my grandpa in there and and and they're like, why
you know, what do you do? And he didn't say nothing.
He just backs the boat off until we're like two
hundred yards out into the water. He the anchors back

(01:00:00):
down and doesn't say anything about it, and goes and
gets back in bed. Well, this kind of calms me
and my cousin down a little bit, because now we're off,
we're out into the lake and the front of the
end of the boat is still pointing towards this kind
of umbelical part of what attaches this island to the

(01:00:22):
main land park. And I mean, who knows in this
area that mainland park could have just been a bigger island.
I don't know, but anyway, this kind of calms us down.
And that after we got laughed at, you know, and called,

(01:00:42):
you know, scaredy cats, and you know the things, things
that things that dads are going to say to their
teenage boys with you know, messing with them, and that
that night, trying to go to sleep early in the morning,

(01:01:03):
I did finally fall asleep because I remember the kind
of the slight glow of the sun when I fell asleep.
But before that, I imagine it might have been three thirty,
between three thirty and four in the morning. My bunk
is on one of these high rise like RV bunks

(01:01:28):
up off the floor, and there's this there's this I'm
right at the front of the boat, and there's this long,
skinny window right at the edge of my bunk that
I can see outside, and it's kind of a long
rectangle and you know, there's not much room to lay

(01:01:52):
down up there. It's like it's like one of those
overhead bunks. But I'm staring out this window trying to
fall asleep at the peninsula out there, and there's kind
of fog, kind of low fog and stuff out there,
and it's I can see the moon on the far
side of it. The moon is now not so up
in the sky, it's closer to the trees. And I

(01:02:14):
remember the moon was just set right back there a
little bit of fog, and I can see when we
were when I see a shape come out of the
forest that is the island and slowly work its way
across this umbilical cord part. But it was on the

(01:02:39):
opposite side, like it was trying to use the cover
of the peninsula part itself to hide it, but it wasn't.
It wasn't wide enough and tall enough. And I remember
it did look like it was upright it was we were.
I was like the boat was probably two hundred yards away,

(01:03:01):
and it just didn't look to me like it was
like like it was wide and square, like the profile
of a big bear or a moose or something that
would have walked across there. It looked like it was
upright to me. And I even remember it looked like
something came out and kind of pushed little tree out

(01:03:24):
of its way, because on this little umbilical cord part
that was holding this island to the land, there was
all these cattails and all of these little sapling trees
sticking up through these boulders and out of the scrabbl
and partially out of the water, and stuff, cattails and stuff.
And as we were playing out there, I remember these

(01:03:46):
cattails being like up to my chin, and those sapling
all of those sapling trees, which was quite a few
kind of brushy sapling trees where you had to look
up the top of them. Well, this thing that was
walking across there, I was, like I said, alls I

(01:04:07):
saw was the shape. There was no definition. I couldn't tilt,
there was hair, I couldn't tell. It just looked like
an upright shape in the dark, being backlit by the
moon at about two hundred yards. But I could see
it well enough that the cat tails only came about
halfway up on it, and it was like a head

(01:04:30):
taller than the sapling trees as it went across there,
and it just disappeared in to the main part of
the forest once it got across there. And man, I
saw that. As soon as I saw it coming out
and in there, I remember I stopped breathing. I could

(01:04:53):
feel my heart beat in my ears, and I just
remember this thing, this thing moving across from a distance
from us, being way out in the water, and yeah,
they so, I mean it had to be it had

(01:05:18):
to be a big foot. I don't know what else
it could have been. I don't know what else it
could have been. I mean, I guess it could have
been a moose or something. I'm always trying to counter
doubt myself, kind of debunk. Yeah, it's like because one
off it, you know, I was far enough away, what
if it was a moose? But it did look upright,
you know. And but you know, so you can kind

(01:05:40):
of explain away that shape that went across there, because
for one thing, moose are freaking tall, you know there
they are every bit of eight feet tall. And but
I can, you know, I cannot explain.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
That rock, the rock, the noise.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Yeah, especially even more so than the hoof that we heard,
because you know, I'm thinking a big moose could have
made that noise, could have made that kind of that
kind of exhale huff noise. But right at that time,
right as we said something facing the woods, right after

(01:06:28):
that rock went over our heads. And so oh the
next day my dad and his brothers made me and
my cousin go back over there and get all the stuff.
So we're having to walk back over there next day,

(01:06:51):
and man, neither neither one of us looked into that woods.
We walked around the edge of that bank to get
the boat in the fishing gear and stuff that we
had left there the night before. We were not looking
into the woods that was on that island. It was
it was kind of funny. I wasn't I was looking

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straight at the rocks or I was looking out in
the water. I was not going to look into them trees.
But we went out there. Nothing had been touched. The
poles were laying where they were, blankets, the orange the
old orange vest. We were sitting on the rock, sitting
on to be more comfortable. The lantern was there. It

(01:07:35):
was like dead. The lantern was out of fuel. But
the only thing was is every one of those like
somewhere between twelve and sixteen, big croppie, they were gone.
They weren't there, weren't scales or guts around, like something
sat there and like something big came sat there and

(01:07:57):
ate them. They were just gone, all of them. And
uh so so yeah, and uh yeah, so that's what
that's what happened. When I think so, when I think

(01:08:18):
I saw what I possibly could have saw. You know, everything,
everything to me can be explained away except for that rock.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
I was gonna say, do you think because of the
rock and the actual noises you heard when the wolves
were going on? Have you heard the Ohio sound like
the Ohio scream?

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
I think so? Is that the one that kind of
sounds like a siren?

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Yeah? Does it sound anything like that a little bit?

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Ah, if if if you took that voice that was
that Ohio scream and the length of it and made
it even a little bit longer, and if you took
whatever thing was making that noise, now, make that thing

(01:09:17):
try to imitate a wolf and maybe like that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
I think there's stuff out there, and I really don't
know what they are, but I would like to believe
that there's the things that people are seeing are actually
something that we're supposed to be seen, you know what
I mean, Like we're not all crazy. But yeah, it's
really hard to rationalize how these things could exist if

(01:09:48):
we have never found a body, if we don't find
any sort of tangible evidence, if something like this is
still out there, they have to have a breeding population.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Yeah, that's what I think that it might have been
on That's what I think might have been on top
of that cliff.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
The children of the smaller ones, either.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
That or just a whole different like family group, because
it was a little ways away from the other house.
But I guess they would probably have a really huge territory,
a bunch of them. But I mean, and maybe, I mean,

(01:10:35):
maybe these things that they just that top of that cliff,
like that was just a place that they knew that
they could live. Maybe they just because the view from
looking at off of the top of that cliff out
into this like maze of land and water and these
this old growth trees and stuff was amazing. It was

(01:10:55):
it was. It was an amazing amazing the way that
looked when you looked out of the top of that
thing once we got up there. And maybe that was
just like a I don't know if you'd call it
a family or a clan or pack or what you
call them, but maybe that was just their spot and
and they were they were just like, what the hell

(01:11:19):
these things are climbing up here, you know, and and uh,
you know, so we're like crashing the party, so to speak.
And because how often would that how often would somebody
have climbed up that cliff in that wilderness. Yeah out there,

(01:11:40):
you know, you know, they you know it, and that
like that dude telling us, you know, stay inside of
the boat because people get lost, you know. And and
it's so it's that kind of area. So how often
would some kids have found that and tried to climb
that thing up at the top of that, you know,

(01:12:03):
so then things are they might have been up there
and been like, oh my god, they're coming up here.
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
I think what's the way technology is today and everything else?
For me, I want to believe that we'd be able
to capture something because there's security cameras up now. Everyone
has a phone in their pocket with a camera on it,
but yet there's still a lacking of any sort of credible.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Yeah, I know, and I think I think about that
like you think about the h the police helicopters when
they're chasing guys and they're using the thermal and you
can really see a dude at night running through the
woods because he's just shining. Man, he's you know, they
got that they can detect the heat of his body

(01:12:51):
and you know, you can really see that dude.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
Even the stuff that I've bought for this documentary. The
thermal is really pretty good thermal in my full spectrum camera,
Like when we were out there, I'm picking up all
these people would consider it orbs, but I think they're
just bugs. Like once I looked at the footage and everything,
to me, they're not orbs. They're just bugs, but we
don't see them because it's so dark. But this is

(01:13:15):
picking up every sort of detail. I think that's where
a lot of misconception comes from from a lot of
paranormal people too. It's like you see dust particles, you
see bugs, and most people are like, oh, that's side
of activity, or if you look at it from a
skeptical stance like me, I'm like, no, I'm gonna try
to write everything off i can because I don't want
to put out there right false stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
I'm my what I do for a living is a
lot of photography, and I run with a group that
does a lot of big video for big commercials just
from the place I work. And I'm I'm here to

(01:13:59):
take when people when I've seen these these videos of
what somebody says are orbs, it's it's dust that's too
close to the camera, that is boca. It's it's boca
ing out. Boca is when something is out of the
field of focus, out of the depth of field, so

(01:14:19):
it blurs, and it doesn't blur to a fuzzy edge.
It can blur to a hard edge and it can
look like an orb And that's exactly what that is,
because I know, man, I know. I've been a photographer
for thirty years, and yeah, I know that that's what

(01:14:45):
that is. It's it's bugs and dust and stuff that's
that's out of out of the field of focus, out
of the depth of field. That the that the video
cameras are catching. Yeah, but it looks cool, Yeah, it

(01:15:06):
looks ghosty.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
I've had a lot of people send all these blurry photos.
I've seen people posting up so many blurry photos, and
I see a lot of paradolia, and I see so
much stuff when it comes to these cryptid photos and
things that people are seeing, and I don't see it personally.
Half the time, I might see where they're getting it,
like a shape of something. That doesn't mean that's a

(01:15:28):
bigfoot or a dog man or whatever it is they're
claiming they're seeing, because to me, it looks a lot
like just blurry bush photos. You know what I mean, Like,
it's not I don't see anything definitive other.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Than yeah, that that thing where you think where you
think you see a face or a human and it's
it's like a bush or something. Right, Yeah, what is that?

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
That's right? Okay, you already said that. Okay, paradilia, Yeah,
the like the stump squatch. Oh, my grandpa. The next day,
after all this happened, my grandpa kind of pulled me

(01:16:15):
aside and he starts to tell me. He says, the reason,
and my grandpa's railroad worker, very serious guy, and he
said he didn't joke a lot. He said. The reason
that he didn't make fun of us and he just

(01:16:35):
pulled the boat off, didn't say nothing to even his
own kids, is that he was in the big boat,
the bigger boat that we were pulling with the big
Mercury engine, the big mastercraft that was my grandpa's. He
was in Upper Peninsula, Michigan. This was a story he

(01:16:59):
was telling me. At a lake called Perch Lake in
Upper Peninsula, Michigan. He said, him and some guys in
another boat. There was two boats. They were up there
fishing for walleye. They were trolling for schools of Walleye
and he said they got to this one part of

(01:17:21):
Perch Lake and they saw this cabin up on the
bank and they said they were within fifty yards of
the bank, and he said, they all had this conversation
about man, that looks like it could be a pretty

(01:17:42):
nice cabin. It doesn't look old, but yet the windows
are all broke out of it, and the doors are
hanging off of it. There's brush all grown up around it,
and there's no boats or anything down on the little
dock that was down in front of this cabin going

(01:18:03):
out into Perch Lake. And he said, as they were
talking about that, they were trolling by this, this this cabin,
like I said, about fifty yards out, he said, came
in coming from the brush that was around that cabin.

(01:18:24):
All of a sudden came raining all of these rocks.
He said that we're anywhere from the size of a
golf ball to the size of a tennis ball or so,
he said. He said, like dozens of them, just just
plopping all around the boats coming. They had to come

(01:18:47):
out of the bushes that were around the cabin up
into the air. And this is broad daylight. They can
see them coming up out and splashing all around, and
they all looked at each other and they said they
got scared. They were they were like, if one of
these rocks hits one of us, I mean, if it's
something like that hits you in the head, it could
made kill you. So it like they had to they

(01:19:09):
had to literally punch it and make a little dash
for it and get out of range of these rocks.
He said, that's why he pulled the boat away and
didn't say anything. And when he told me this, he
made sure we were not around anybody else and he
was whispering. And this was on that trip. So yeah,

(01:19:35):
that's that's why my grandpa just pulled the boat pulled instantly,
just pulled the boat off of that bank and anchored
it back out by himself because nobody else was doing anything.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
Do you think anyone else after that? It all happened,
And it's been years for now, but did you ever
talk about it with the rest of your family?

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Oh? Yeah, uh, this is a this this is a
camp this is a this is a grandpa. I'm the grandpa. Now,
this is a grandpa campfire story. That's that's that I've
told for years. I barely even get excited when I
tell it anymore. This is just something that I've told. Uh,

(01:20:21):
you know my cousin, don't my cousin's in Texas now,
he won't tell my cousin will acknowledge it that he
won't like tell it or talk about it like he's
he's just like, you know, yeah, that that happened.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
Yeah, people are funny to me that way. Some will
talk about things nothing to do with it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Yeah, he uh, he'll he'll acknowledge it, but he'll he'll
just be like, yeah, that was pretty crazy. But that's
all I got to say about that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
You know, I've seen you said you had some other
things that have happened too. But I was thinking, depending
on how long those could take with my middill do
this on that on a different episode because we've been
going on for almost an hour and a half now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Oh really okay, yeah, yeah those can I can come
back and the front of those to the two other stories. Uh,
one of them is me on a date on river road.
And it's not that we called. We called, oh man,

(01:21:27):
what is the road that's right across the Mississiniwa River
from It's it's on the uh four. It's on the
opposite side of the Slocum Trail. What is that road
that's on the other side of the river.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
So there's one twenty four that goes to the.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
It's not one twenty four, it's got We used to
call that river road. There was to us there were
three river roads. Yeah, it was West End River Road,
East n River Road, and then Sinewa River Road we
called we called that road. It wasn't twenty four and
it wasn't three hundred. It was that littler road that
took off. And back then there was Wallach Road over

(01:22:10):
that way too. Yeah, back then it was gravel. But
it's it's just it's something that happened on that road.
And then the other one is my sister's story that
my sister's one year older than me, and she was

(01:22:30):
in two thousand and two. She was a head nurse
and her and her deal in director of nursing. They
were they were in charge of starting a new nursing
home right in that area somewhere maybe out by kind
of out by maybe where when it was Grissom Air
Force Base. And and it's a story about something that

(01:22:56):
happened to two ladies Okay there, So that's that's the
two other ones my sisters and yeah, and the other one.
The other one is another one of me when I
was not fifteen but seventeen. Okay, so this can be
you know, if you want me to come back sometime,

(01:23:17):
we can. We can do that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
I'll definitely have you back on. It might be a
few weeks from now, but I've got some stuff opening
up here in the next couple of weeks, so I
should be able to get you back on.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Yeah, shoot me a shoot me an email and and
we'll uh, we can. We can do that because that's
right in in both of our stomping ground right around there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
Sorry, the river road wouldn't definitely has me interested because
that's the same vicinity of where I keep filming at.
So definitely want to know more about that one.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
Yeah, I don't know if that road might not be
gravel anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
I don't know too many roads out that way that
are gravel except the one that goes to ok Pinocchi,
So but that's now off limits. Yeah, all right, well,
all right, we can probably wrap this one up. But
I just want to say thanks for coming on here.
And I ain't talking with me about it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
All right, it's been it's been fun.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
It's been a pleasure to have you on. But again,
for anyone listening, we'll have Jeff back on here in
a few weeks and we'll continue on, but thanks to Jeff.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
It's like I said, when anybody, when anybody asked me
if I believe there's a bigfoot, I'm just like, yeah,
there probably might be. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
That's how I am. Anymore, like, I think there's something
out there. I don't know what it is, but people
are seeing something.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
Yeah, and I don't think it's woo woo. I think
it's an animal. I don't think it's any of this
any have this, you know, space stuff or dimensional stuff
people talk about. I think it's I think it's an animal.
And everything. Everything that happened to us in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
Was physical, right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
You know. There were footsteps, that was breathing, there was
a huff that was you know, it was it was
all it's it's an animal, it's a great ape or
something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
So that's the path I used to lean towards. But
now again, like I said, without the bodies and everything,
I just it's really hard to wrap your head around
what they could actually be. I want to think that
they're a physical thing because of all the interactions as
you get.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
But yeah, but where are they? Where do they go? Yeah?
I get, you get that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
So to try and be rational and skeptical and open mind,
it's hard to navigate. But that's just one of those
many questions that I I'm across and I think about
is if these things are flesh and blood, then they
have to have a breeding population. They have to have bodies,
they have to have a food source, they have to
have all these things. And for some reason we're not

(01:26:11):
able to track that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
But yeah, I mean, you know, if you do the
if you do the math on that rock, I mean
thirty thirty five feet past the boulders and then thirty
five to forty feet out into the water over our heads,
and if you've that's that's eighty feet plus. And if

(01:26:37):
anybody out there has ever picked up a rock the
size of a football, there's no.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
Way they need to be in the shot put.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
There's no way you'd need a catapult. You'd need some
kind of a catapult to do to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
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Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
I've heard a story be laid last night about something
alert along a wood line, huge foot prints, strange.

Speaker 6 (01:27:21):
Lights in the sky.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
They claim it's nothing, but I know they light it
season or laughing to lap in my face. But something
about this makes me say, what if it's real?

Speaker 6 (01:27:37):
What if they knew?

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
What if The answers are coming from you, spending stores,
wasting mind time?

Speaker 6 (01:27:47):
Hearing boy says, is it all in their minds? They
can call me crazy, but I just want them from
what if it's true? What if it's really? What if
it's true?

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
What it for?

Speaker 6 (01:28:02):
Worlds? Not what we knew? Tim for tales blend me
a story that starts where the line is, what if
it's reach? What if it's true? The answers are waiting,
They're waiting for you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
They see if the dog man walking, or maybe I'm
offman flies. I love the very giants hidden beneath the lies,
They say, it's just stories.

Speaker 6 (01:28:31):
It's all may believe. The fairy tale was for the
things we can't perceive. They want to keep us blindly.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
They won't break our wheel.

Speaker 6 (01:28:41):
But I'm not buying it. I'm not swowing another pill
for spent poison. The lines were made to thee.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
What if the truth could set us free?

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
The alien sugnals traveling through time secret space protograms are
racing their minds.

Speaker 6 (01:29:00):
They call them crazy, But I just need some fruit.
What if it's true? What if it's real? What if
it's true? What if the worlds not what we do?
Tim Foil tells Flieve me.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
A story that starts where the logics.

Speaker 6 (01:29:22):
What if it's real? What if it's true? The answers
are waiting, They're weighing for you. They they lie, we
all be die. The signs are there if you open
your eyes. The aliens, crickedics, Demon's ghost, the depled them two?

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
What if it's me?

Speaker 6 (01:29:44):
Or what if it What if it's real? What if
it's true? What if the world's not what we do?
Ten Foil tells Blieve Me, a story that starts where
the logic can What if it's read? What if that's true?

(01:30:06):
These answers are waiting. They're waiting for you. It's all
in our heads, it's allays our binds. These voices can
be silence.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
The truth must rise.

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Temple tells, it's pulling me. What if it's reading. What
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