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January 29, 2025 • 53 mins
Investigative journalist Andy Ngo is here to break down the trans terror cell connected to several homicides within the U.S., including the killing of the border patrol agent on President Trump's inauguration day. Plus, RFK Jr.'s former running mate tells senators that if their big pharma money sways them into voting against Bobby, she'll personally invest in their electoral demise. And finally, President Trump offers a 'fork in the road' to two million federal workers - I'll explain what that offer entails.


Guests:


Andy Ngo | Independent Journalist & Senior Editor, The Post Millennial
Eddie Gallagher | Retired U.S. Navy Seal & Co-founder, The Pipe Hitter Foundation
Davis Younts | Military Defense Attorney
Brian Reisinger | Author, 'Land Rich, Cash Poor: My Family's Hope and the Untold History of the Disappearing American Farmer'
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm your host, Kara McKinney, and this is tipping point.
Is there a trans terror cell operating within the US?

(00:22):
And can a number of homicides be pinned on this
alleged terror cell? Our first guest Tonight says soberly yes
to both questions. He reports, quote. An elderly Pennsylvania couple
was murdered in a double homicide in January twenty twenty three.
An eighty two year old California man was brutally stabbed
to death on January seventeenth, twenty twenty five. A US

(00:44):
Border Patrol officer was shot dead on January twentieth, twenty
twenty five, in Vermont. The cases are all allegedly linked
end quote, and he's surprised there isn't more media attention
on the story, especially given President Trump's new executive order
to ban federal dollars from going toward the sex change
procedures of anyone under the age of nineteen years old.

(01:05):
Not only does this case involve the trans issue, but
another layer to this story involves illegal immigration as well.
Joining us now to discuss is chilling and frankly tragic
findings is Andy no, an independent journalist and a senior
editor for The Post Millennial. He's also the author of
Unmasked Inside Antifa's Radical Plan to Destroy Democracy. Andy, thanks

(01:25):
for being here tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
My pleasure. Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
So there's a lot here that you've uncovered. But first
to kind of get ourselves situated, can you walk us
through the basic breakdown of who this main pair is,
or I guess I should say was, since one of
them is now deceased, and how it culminated into the
tragic shooting of the Border Patrol agent that we all
heard about on Trump's inauguration day.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
So the story has now reached a point where it
can no longer be ignored by the mainstream media. We
are seeing reporting by Ape San Francisco Chronicles and others
about how the killing of the CBP officer was not isolated. Allegedly,
according to prosecutors, it's linked.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Now to at least other five other debts.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
So the story is there was a transdual on an
auguration day who were allegedly involved in a deadly encounter
with a Border Patrol officer in Vermont near the Canadian border.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Initially, at first, the focus, at least.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
In conservative media, was that the German national who died
in the shootout may have been here on and expired
each one b VISA. That's still a bit unclear, But
what's emerge as we've learned more about the female suspect
who's also transgender identifying who was apprehended alive, is that

(02:53):
both of them allegedly have links to a California based
transgender group some call it a cult that have been
are allegedly involved in multiple hormone sides across the US
banning back the last few years, and some of these
killings are really horrific. The most recent one happened on

(03:15):
the seventeenth of January involving an eighty two year old
man in the Bay Area.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Who was set to testify.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
As a key witness in a murder and attempted murder
trial against members of this group. The person suspect who
is just apprehended in charge over the alleged assassination of
this elderly man is the fiance of the female who's
apprehended in Vermont. If you read the court documents, the

(03:45):
weapons that were used in the shootout allegedly belong to
an individual who is also transgender and is the child
of a double homicide that happened in Pennsylvania. So there's
been multiple people who have been killed. Several members of

(04:06):
the group have died in the attempt in their attacks
on other people as well.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
So the story is really big.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
It's not being covered accurately because one big glaring omission
in all the headlines if you read and legacy media,
is that nobody's reporting out that all of these individuals
are transgender identifying in some way, and their extremist ideology
is includes aspects of transhumanism and of course transgenderism.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
You know. It's just there's so many layers to this story,
and I have so many questions swirling in my head
and I don't even know where to start. But as
you're talking about this cult of personality, I think in
the California Bay area, if I'm not mistaken, Ziz, I
think is the name that you've reported maybe the cult
like figure, the personality figure again, And I know there's
an ongoing investigation, right, so not all the facts are

(05:02):
currently known, but I think this is the name of
a man who may actually be named jack Lesoda. And
like you're saying it, the tentacles of this really range
quite far and as you talk about the Valetjo man
in California who was murdered quite recently, he had been
attacked by members of this group before, right, I think
maybe over rent he lost his eyes, So there you

(05:23):
see him with both of his eyes. The other picture
he showed of him, he was missing an eye and
then unfortunately he was then finally killed. But could you
talk about that case a little more because it's the
details of it are tragic, chilling and mind blowing.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Frankly, Yeah, the story is confused, I understand, and I've
been trying to simplify it as best as I can,
but it really you come because it involves so many people.
All of them have aliases, they have fake names, they
have so called dead names, so the legal name is
different from what they identify as and their old transgender.
So the case of Kurt Lint, that's the eighty two

(06:01):
year old man who was brutally hacked to death and
had a stroke slit in the Bay Area on the
seventeenth of January. He had survived narrowly another attempt on
his life by members of this group in November of
twenty twenty two. So during the pandemic for several years,
he had rented out his property, a plot of land

(06:23):
to this group and they lived in box trucks on
his property and according to neighbors and what local media
is reporting was very bizarre and what they were doing.
They walk around wearing gas masks, and they set up
solar panels on the trucks as if they were kind
of in a way trying to live off the grid,
but not really. And so after he survived the November

(06:48):
twenty two attack, when he was well enough to speak
to media, because he was impaled in that attack. He
lost an eye and if you look at some of
his recovery photos at the time, his injuries were horrific
and he was like to survive. He said that he
was ambushed an attack where by three members of this group,
three transgender members, and they impaled him and he had

(07:11):
a firearm for self defense and lucky that he did,
because he shot back and he killed one of them,
a transgender person named Emir Brahanian also known as Emma,
and injured one of the others and one was uninjured.
So the two surviving attackers, alleged attackers assailants have an

(07:32):
upcoming trial in April for attempted murder and other felony crimes,
and he was the sole witness to that attack and
also the survivor, and he's been killed. And so then
the prosecutors in Vajeo, California alleged that Maximilian Snyder, who's

(07:53):
been apprehended and has been charged, is the person who
did it. And if you look up court wreckers in Seattle,
mister Snyder, who identified as all genders on his social media,
applied for a marriage license with Teresa Youngblut, who's the
alleged border patrol killer in Vermont. So you can see

(08:19):
this spans multiple states. It's an interstate story, and it's
also international because of the German person who is involved.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
So much to it again, and it almost seep seems
to me almost like Charles Manson writer, It has that
kind of flowed to this whole the way it's all
unraveling before our eyes and also complicating reporting on this issue.
I think you also note somewhere on your ex page
is that the alleged ZIZ member that this elderly man

(08:50):
in California before he was ultimately murdered, but when he
was first ambushed and he was able to kill in
self defense one of his attackers. I believe that attacker
was then later honored by the Texas House. Their cock
is for LGBTQ members. Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (09:07):
That is the unfortunate truth.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
So what happens with a lot of trounds and queer
activist group is that they will mention names of trouns
and queer people who have killed or died, but will
omit information about the circumstances, and they did in this
particular case. The GoFundMe for the assailant who was shot
dead by the elderly man had to go fund me

(09:32):
and the and people donated toens of thousands of dollars
to that, whereas the GoFundMe for the man who was
assassinated only received a fraction of that amount.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
So, as you're talking about this the killing in California
and connecting it then to the to the pair in
Vermont with the Border patrol agent who was killed, another connection,
as you draw out, is that Vermont couple when they
were they weren't a couple together, but the were a pair.
They were traveling together. When they were in Vermont, they
were staying I think at a motel right wearing it

(10:07):
looked like almost military type tactical gear. It was drawing
some attention and they knew about that. When they were
asked what they were doing in the area, they said
that they were looking at property or looking to buy
property that may have some ring of truth to it
because another alleged member or perhaps a former member of
the Ziz group, I think, did have property out there.
And that now gets us to Pennsylvania, right where that

(10:29):
individual who may have connections to Zizz their parents in
Pennsylvania were some other homicide victims, right who were also
then connected to all of this.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
So if you read the court documents from federal prosecutors
in Vermont, you learned that they federal authorities had been
surveilling the duo in Vermont for a week before the
Inauguration Day shootout, and it's because the motel they were
staying at, the one person or several staff contacted law

(11:05):
enforcement were concerned because they saw that these individuals were
addressed in black tactical gear, they had weapons, and were
behaving in a way that was suspicious. And some of
the items that were found in the vehicle after the
shooting in Vermont included gas masks, ballistic helmet, cash weapons,

(11:29):
lots of bulletpoint halowpoint ammunition, a dozen electronic devices, mobile phones, computers.
So something weird was going on and they were allegedly
looking for. What they had told law enforcement is that
they were looking at buying property in the area.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
And as you just said, the person.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Who owns the firearms that were used in the shootout
have bought up a plot of.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Land in a neighboring town in rural Vermont.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
And this group already has a history in California of
operating as a commune around a cult of personality. Jack Lisota,
who uses the alias Ziz, by the way, he hasn't
been charged with anything as far as I know. His
whereabouts are unknown. But this this.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Case is really as crazy as.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
It sounds, and it sounds almost in some ways like
AI had come up with the story. But it's true,
and there are six people who are dead, and there's
still a lot we don't.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Know there really is. And as you're mentioned, with the
Vermont plot of property, the owner of that property who
may have had some connections with the Ziz group at
least at some point. Whether that still continues or not,
I'm not quite clear on, but their parents right were
found deceased in their home. I think either it was
early January of twenty twenty three that the bodies were found,

(13:05):
but whether they were killed right on New Year's Eve
or on New Year's Day, or you know, whether it's
late twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three, we're not
quite clear. But they're just more unfortunate victims of this
very long and far ranging and very bizarre. It seems
almost like a murder cult. But again, like you said,
there are people who are not charged yet who are
in this group, so I hadn't want to cast too

(13:26):
many expersions, but that's what it looks like. It rings
to me like trans Tifa, something that you've covered a
great length too. So as you've been reporting and really
digging down to the details of this in your investigation work,
have you come across more threats from Antifa? I know
you've been attacked quite publicly by them, very physically. You've
been attacked. You've written the book right on them, exposing
so much of their operations that hide in the shadows.

(13:49):
What's been the reaction from that group to your reporting
on this story currently?

Speaker 3 (13:55):
So the social media footprint that I could find for
the German National and the Seattle woman who was apprehended
in Vermont and some of these other alleged members of
the group is that they espouse leftist politics. And a
trans individual who I interviewed, who knew the German National,

(14:15):
who I interviewed in my report on the post Millennial,
has been intimidated for speaking out. And there are supporters
of this di these movement online who have for years
now been posting threats of violence and celebrations of violence.
For example, I saw a post that celebrated when Curtis

(14:38):
lind the eighty two year old was assassinated, and it
came from an account that had been mourning the death
of the comrade that was killed in the Bay Area
in twenty twenty two. So there are militants who are
supportive of this trans cult, I would call it, and

(15:01):
there are those who are not sup part of of
the crimes that have happened. However, they don't want the
story getting exposure in the way that I'm doing it
because they feel that transness needs to be protected by
any means necessary, and if you need to cover up
aspects of a serial killing group, so be.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
It well, stay safe out there, and thank you for
all of your investigative work on this front. It's definitely needed,
it's quite necessary, but it's also dangerous work, as you
know better than anyone else. Thank you so much for
joining us tonight. Andy. Coming up next, Bobby Kennedy confronts
a Senate committee full of members on the take from
Big Pharma. Details on how that went. When we come back.

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Speaker 1 (16:13):
Welcome back to Tipping Point. I'm your host, Kara McKinney.
Before Robert F. Kennedy Junior could even appear before the
Senate Finance Committee today as President Trump's HHS Secretary nominee,
his former running mate nature, they knew she has his back,
and here is Nicole Shanahan's warning to that committee.

Speaker 5 (16:32):
This hasn't been widely reported, but in twenty twenty, I
cut large texts to check Schumer to help Democrats flip
two Senate seats in Georgia from red to blue. The
two candidates I helped elect Senator Rafael Larnock and Senator
John Ossoff. Please know I will be watching your votes
very closely. I will make it my personal mission that

(16:54):
you lose your seats in the Senate if you vote
against the future health of America's children. And more than that,
I also want to say to Senators Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Graham,
Lisa Markovsky, Susan Collins, Bill Cassidy, Tom Tillis, James Langford,
Corey Booker, John Fetterman, Bernie Sanders, and Catherine Cortes Mastow.

(17:15):
This is a bipartisan message and it comes directly from me.
While Bobby may be willing to play nice, I won't
if you vote against him. I will personally fund challengers
to primary you in your next election, and I will
enlist hundreds of thousands to join me. Big Pharma and
Big Egg have exploited us for far too long. It

(17:36):
ends now.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
It does end now. The Federalist has this to say. Quote.
Kennedy faced his first round of questions before lawmakers on
the Senate Finance Committee, who've received roughly seven million dollars
from drug companies between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty four.
According to a Federalist analysis of industry donations compiled by
Open Secrets, members of the Senate Health Committee who questioned

(17:58):
Kennedy today have seen more than five point six million
dollars in contributions from the pharmaceutical industry. End quote here
is RFK speaking for himself.

Speaker 6 (18:08):
President Trump has asked me and the chronic disease epidemic,
and make America healthy again.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
And I am the only reason why you're at HHS.

Speaker 5 (18:19):
Is that the only reason why then you're at the
AHHS to address that one issue.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
President Trump has asked me, because I'm in a unique
position to end that and that is what I'm doing.
And if we don't solve that problem, Senator, all of
the other disputes we have about who's paying, and whether
it's insurance companies, whether it's providers, whether it's HMOs, whether

(18:45):
it's patients or families, all of those are moving deck
chairs around the Titanic. Our ship is sinking. Are sixty
percent increase in medicaid over the past four years. It's
the biggest budget line now and it's growing faster than
any other and no other nation in the world has
what we have here. No other nation has a chronic disease.

(19:08):
We have the highest chronic disease burden of any country
in the world. We had during COVID we had sixteen
percent of the COVID deaths in a country we only
have four point two percent of the world's population. We
had a higher death count than any country in the world.
And when CDC was as why, he said, it's because
Americans are the sickest people on Earth. The average perdson

(19:31):
who died from COVID American had three point eight chronic diseases.
This is an existential threat economically to our military or health,
to our sense of well being, and it is a
priority for President Trump, and that's why he asked me
to run the agency. And if I privilege be confirmed,

(19:51):
that's exactly what I'll do.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Joining us had to discuss all of this and more
as Eddie Gallagher, a retired US Navy seal and the
co founder of the I hit Her Foundation. Eddie, thanks
for being here tonight.

Speaker 7 (20:04):
Thank you for having me great.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
So no wonder our service members were treated so poorly
when it came to the COVID nineteen vaccine. Because we
heard from that committee today, back and forth, yelling, screaming
at RFK Junior. They almost seem to worship vaccines. That's
the terminology I see online instead of allowing there to
be nuanced right, some vaccines good, some vaccines bad, some
somewhere in the middle. You know, you should really analyze

(20:28):
your own health, your own bodily autonomy, and understand what
you need and what you don't need. But that was
my take on it. But did anything stand out to
you during today's RFK hearing.

Speaker 7 (20:39):
You know, I got to watch about half of it,
and it was very reminiscent of the Pete Hegseet hearing.
You saw these Democratic senators losing their mind, especially Elizabeth
Warren when she tried to get RFK to say he
would not sue pharmaceutical companies. And really what I saw
is all these Democratic senators losing their mind because it's
hurting their bottom line. Think a lot of them make

(21:00):
money off the pharmacutical companies and they're scared that that
show is going to be over soon.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
And that really is the animating factor I think that
we saw here today. Now, one thing personally that I
really appreciated from RFK on this on the issue of abortion.
Just touching on that for just a quick second for
my own sake. It's because obviously we knew when he
was running as an independent during the presidential election cycle,
he made a point to say he thinks abortion should

(21:27):
be allowed through all nine months, and then he tried
to kind of walk it back just a tenz tiny
bit because it didn't really land unfortunately for him. Thankfully though,
as he's going to try and head HHS, assuming the
Senate confirms him. He did make it a point to say,
I agree with President Trump that every abortion is a tragedy.
I agree that we cannot be a moral nation if
we have one point two million abortions a year. He

(21:50):
wants the to end late term abortions, protect conscience exemptions,
and end federal funding for abortion. Now that was just
in aside there, But you bring up the new Defense
Secretary Pete Hegseeth. We saw the contention there at his
own hearing. Now making new headlines obviously is the Defense
Secretary's decision when it comes to retire General Mark Milly.

(22:12):
There's an investigation on whether or not he may be demoted.
We see at least one, if not two of his
portraits coming down. What are your thoughts there.

Speaker 7 (22:22):
I think he deserves more of a punishment than that.
I really think they should bring him back, take him
to trial. He should be tried for treason. He openly
admitted it, among other things he did while under the
Biden administration. So I think this is a start in
the right direction. But I definitely think that he needs
to be made an example of, for sure, to send

(22:45):
the message to the rest of the general officers and
admirals that we are not playing around anymore.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
No, definitely. And obviously you're someone who served abroad. You
served your country very honorably and very high risk and
serious situations, and I know you were treated terribly ripe
at President Trump helped during his first term, helped you there.
But so therefore I want to ask you on a
personal level, when it comes to someone like General Mark
Milly or some of these other generals right who had
their chest full of badges and pins and awards for

(23:13):
wars that they've never won, their faces lininge all the
hallways again being you know, being lifted on a pedestal
again for wars that they never won, and they send
men like you to go out there to do their
own dirty work. I mean, is that the dynamic that's
finally going to change under the new Defense Secretary? Something
that so many guys right who go abroad, people guys

(23:34):
who serve like my brother. That's what makes them so upset.
But now it seems that that dynamic is going to change,
would you say under the new Defense Secretary?

Speaker 2 (23:43):
I truly hope.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
So.

Speaker 7 (23:44):
You know, over my twenty year career deployment combat zones,
I can't tell you how many numerous times we have
an officer just jumping a vehicle with us. We'd go
to an operation. He would stay in the vehicle and
then come back and write himself up for some high
valorous award so he could then climb the ladder and
get to where General Milly was. I think the Americans
would be pretty surprised how many officers did not earn

(24:07):
any of those ribbons. They earned them off the blood,
sweat and tears on the enlisted man who actually went
out and did the job. So I do truly hope
that that changes and they really scrutinize who they promote
the officer ranks.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
And now there's new reporting coming out, I believe from
the Wall Street Journal and they are pointing to Senator
Tom Tillis as perhaps being one of the figures behind
one of the last minute attempts to derail heg Set's
nomination and therefore his confirmation as the Defense Secretary. It
was the ex wife of Hegset's brother. She came forward

(24:43):
and had a letter claiming that heg Seth had abused
his second wife. I believe, even though it came out,
that she was never there for any of these events,
and so it's a lot of hearsay, a lot of
back and forth. Basically, all the allegations melded away. There
really was never a there. There just a last minute
attempt at a smear job. Though some are saying that Tillis,
because he was a little iffy on heg Seth's nomination,

(25:06):
that he just asked for her allegations to be put
in writing, and that he wasn't maybe necessarily trying to
do what McConnell later, did you know, derail heag Set's nomination.
But what do you make of the Wall Street Journals
new reporting on on basically how heg Seth was treated
this entire time up until his confirmation.

Speaker 7 (25:24):
I think it's a business as usual for the Democratic Party.
These are the games that they play. You know, they'll
make up allegations, get anonymous sources to come up with
these allegations, and you know they get away with it
each and every time. But unfortunately, I think America has
seen right through that, which is why Pete Headseth got nominated.
And I truly believe RFK will do the same. They've

(25:46):
like I've said, they've played that same game plan over
and over and we are tired of it.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
No, definitely we are now. Lastly before I let you
go tonight, because I love working with a Pipe Hitter Foundation.
I've been thankfully because of your work, your hard work,
I've been very honored and grateful to to interview those
who are being represented by the Pipe Hitter Foundation, their spouses,
law enforcement officers, military service members, those who've been wrongly

(26:14):
smeared and tarnished. So if you could just talk to
the audience about your foundation and the work that it
does and how they can support you guys, if they
would like to.

Speaker 7 (26:24):
Sure, So you know, a Pipe Bitter Foundation we support
active duty military, law enforcement and first responders that they're
being unjustly accused or targeted for doing their job, We
raise money for them, we provide emergency leave grants to
their family as they're going through that stressful time, and
we will also advocate for them on channels such as yours,
which thank you for having us on and thank you
for having the people on that we help out each

(26:45):
and every time to get their story out. I will
say this, you know, I know that they are they
put out there going to reinstate all the service members
that were kicked out for the COVID vaccine. And I
can tell you our foundation that was a very frustrating
time because we had a lot of service members hitting
us up and we worked tirelessly to try and help them.

(27:07):
But you know, from what we saw from behind the scenes,
the way these service numbers were treated for standing up
and having a backbone and refusing to take that vaccine
was disgusting. And I can say that I don't blame
them if they do not come back into the military,
even with all the backbay, because what people need to
think of is they're going to come right back in
and work for the same spineless officers that kicked them

(27:28):
out in the first place. So I think the first
action they should do is review all the officers that
followed orders blindly and did the wrong thing and start
reprimanding them first to set the example.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
That's very very important. Eddie, once again, thank you so
much for your work behind the scenes, and thank you
for joining us tonight. Coming up next, there's another fork
in the road for federal workers as President Trump offers
them a buyout to self deport or if they stick around,
there are going to be new rules to enforce excellence.
Details when you come back into.

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Speaker 1 (28:25):
Welcome back to Tipping Point. I'm your host, Kara McKinney.
A fork in the road that is the language the
US Office of Personnel Management is using to buy out
federal employees, essentially to save the new administration the hassle
of going through one by one and firing people. Federal
workers can choose to self deport if you will. When
senior administration official told NBC News that they expect between

(28:48):
five to ten percent of federal workers to take the offer,
which allows them to continue receiving pay and benefits for
eight months into September as they look for another job. Now,
despite the generous payout, the official says, it will still
say the government about one hundred billion yes with a
B dollars. In the long run, those who choose to

(29:09):
say must abide by strict new rules to enforce excellence,
and that includes going back to work in the office. Now.
The way, this mass email went out to two million
federal workers, as some wondering if dojs Elon Musk wrote
it since it uses some similar language to his mass
firing over at Twitter now x. It has also sparked
a lawsuit from two federal workers who claim that it

(29:31):
somehow violates privacy rules to mass email everyone all at
once about their future employment. Now if you ask me,
and no one did, but here you go if you
ask me. These are the sorts of federal workers who
need to self deport I mean, how obnoxious and also
pathetic is this? With the resistance movement from within the
Trump government has been reduced to I love it now.

(29:54):
Speaking of the courts, President Trump is already casting out
dozens of officials from their perch at USAI I d
as he freezes large amounts of foreign and federal aid. Now,
a federal judge in DC who is a Biden appointee
is temporarily blocking the freeze on federal aid, even though
it applies to superfluous grants that need to be looked
over instead of the Social Security or to other forms

(30:17):
of direct payment to Americans which are not being hindered
by Trump's order. Joining us now to discuss as Military
Defense Attorney Davis, Jon Davis, thanks for being here tonight.

Speaker 8 (30:27):
Good evening, Karen Gray.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
So finally someone's taking a weed whacker through federal spending
instead of just talking about it.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
Right.

Speaker 8 (30:34):
Oh, this is so encouraging that we see an administration
that's not only falling through on campaign promises, but they're
developing smart and efficient ways to trim the fat in
the federal bureaucracy. So this is this is fantastic, It.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Really is, and it helps to get rid of the
deep state problem as well. Right, all those people who
made me think well, I'll stick around and I'll see
what i can do against Trump, while I think eight
months of payment and no work, you can look or
another job. I think a lot of them are going
to take that. It saves us money. In the long run,
we don't have to deal with them anymore. I think
it's wonderful. I remember every time that I've been to Washington, DC,
you look at those massive federal buildings and you think,

(31:12):
how are there really thousands and thousands of people working
inside there? And also what are they doing all day?
It's incomprehensible to me, unnecessary, unneeded. Over at X or
at Twitter before it became next, right, must did a
very similar thing. He fired a bunch of people and
things work better. Actually, so let's become more efficient, more streamlined. Now.

(31:33):
It's interesting to me, right that at least one or
two federal workers are saying that the mass email aspect
of this, that that is a privacy violation. What do
you make of that argument?

Speaker 8 (31:45):
Listen, that seems to me to be an extremely frivolous
contention and extremely for a frivolous lawsuit. You work for
the federal government. To say that a federal government agency,
particularly working directly for the EXECUS, a branch that you're
a part of, shouldn't have access to your email is
that's just absurd. It's frivolous. But you know, there is

(32:07):
a lot of panic among the federal workforce, people that
don't want to return to the office. Only six percent
of the federal workforce is actually working full time in
their offices, and you know, there's this fear of accountability
throughout the bureaucracy that's there. So this is the way
to trim the fat. This is a way to force
people back into the office, force people to actually do

(32:29):
a job. And again, this to me is just a
larger recognition of there is no federal government bureaucracy that
is out there solving problems on a regular basis. Every program,
every incentive in the way we have done funding for
federal bureaucracies just creates an incentive for the problem to
grow and to hire more people. This is a great

(32:49):
and simple step in the right direction. So they don't
have to go through individual firing processes for each of
these people. They're offering them a very generous severance package
to walk away, to not have to come back into
the office anymore, to not have to work under the
Trump administration. So it's going to be fascinating to see
how many people take them up on it.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
That it will and you know, thinking back to President
Trump's first term in office, remember the resistance movement from
within the federal government itself. We had books coming out
by anonymous right. We had people going on CNN and
MSNBC trying to indict the Trump administration. We had impeachment shams.
We had so many lines and scandal, all this fake
nonsense coming out. And now President Trump he's back and

(33:28):
he's better than ever. And the resistance movement they've got nothing,
a little loss, see it of I don't you violated
my privacy somehow? It's I think it's funny. I think
it's great. I think President Trump is doing too much
good work and too fast. He's making a lot of
voters very very happy about their vote from twenty twenty four.
And that's something you rarely almost never see in politics.

Speaker 8 (33:48):
Right.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
It's usually you vote for someone and you hope that
they're going to do maybe even ten percent of what
they promise. President Trump is paying back dividends for voters,
and CNN is just reduced to Jake Tapper crying to
Stephen Miller saying, but this is I mean, the way
he talks about some federal workers as if they haven't
called us deplorable and almost treated us like second class
citizens this entire time. It's quite funny. And the miller
just shoots back saying, like seventy percent of federal workers

(34:11):
when they give, you know, donations, politically, it goes to Democrats.
So you know, it's it's it's been great to see
they really don't have anything. Nothing's really sticking. And now
even when it comes to the foreign aid, that also
is under a free so it can be examined before
it goes out or maybe get stopped entirely, because as
we saw, there was about fifty million dollars I was
supposed to go to Gaza for condoms, so something like that. Thankfully,

(34:32):
when it's frozen, it's being ended. But I have a
clip I want to show you, and it's actually the
former president of Kenyon. I couldn't agree with the man more.
But first let's roll the tape and get your reaction afterward.

Speaker 9 (34:44):
I saw some people the other day crying, Oh, I
don't know. Trump has removed money. He said he's not
giving us any more money.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Why are you crying?

Speaker 9 (34:57):
Is not your government, it's not your country. He has
no reason to give you anything. I mean, hey, you
don't pay taxes. In America. He's appealing to his people,

(35:18):
shout he in one Eh, this is a wake up
call for you to say, Okay, what are we going
to do to help ourselves instead of crying?

Speaker 6 (35:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
I think that end part that he said right there
is so powerful. But what are your thoughts?

Speaker 8 (35:33):
I mean, I mean so many. First of all, listen,
our government has been so irresponsible with spending. We're just
printing money. It's crushing our own economy, it's crushing our
own people. And we're doing things like spending fifty million
dollars to send condoms to Gaza. These are you know,
slush funds, corrupt slush funds for foreign you know, oligarchs

(35:54):
to benefit when we can't even get aid to the
people in western North Carolina or even in California for
these fires. So you're just seeing a prioritization of the
American people and just this practical approach that says we
can't continue to spend money on foreign countries that we
don't have when we can't even be reasonable about a budget.
So this is just all a mentality shift. You're seeing

(36:16):
President Trump coming in prepared to lead and bringing the
idea and concepts of a businessman that looks at things
that are unnecessary, that are not effective, that are not
functioning well in our government and saying, let's change that
because we can, and we know how. We have far
too much money being spent and not enough of it
is being used to do things that actually benefit the
American people.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
And I guess just what gets me though, as I
think about President Trump and everything, all the progress he's
making already a week into it, right, that's all. It's
been so far a week, and so much has happened.
And I think back to all those other failed Republican presidents,
failed Republican senators, other Republicans wherever and any position of power,
And what did they always tell us, Oh, it's going
to take years. You think I can just you know,

(36:57):
snap my fingers and wave a magic wand and everything
be fixed. And it turns out kind of there's a
lot that actually can be fixed by as Obama. You know,
maybe he's regretting it now when he said, oh, I
just pick up my paper and got my pen and
I can change everything. Well, maybe he's starting to regret it, right,
because President Trump is using that same executive power but
for so much good, and it just gives. It just

(37:18):
shows how much of a lie that we were lied
to for so long. And I know we're all talking
about this person in politics. They're a liar. They lied,
they lied, and maybe the word it seems like it's
lost all meaning in this context, but really, sitting and
thinking about it, we were truly, truly lied to that
there was so much from abortion to immigration, crime, so
much the economy. So much of it could have been

(37:41):
fixed if we had Republicans in office who wanted to
fix it. They chose not to. They played along with
the establishment. Democrats kept giving money out to all these
friends and this person and that person, even as US
Americans who got nothing in return for our taxes went up,
inflation went up, we got screwed over, left, right and center,
and they didn't care. And they lied to us every
single election cycle. And part of me says, that's why

(38:02):
they hate Trump so much, because Trump showed it was
they've been lying this whole time. A lot of this
can actually be done in a very concrete way. But
I also do want to ask you because, especially under
what we've seen with Biden, it seemed like what was
private what was public, It seemed like there was really
no line, right, That line got so blurred that big
government and so much of business became just melded into

(38:23):
each other. And I say that because on social media
you see some trying to pull at the Christian heartstrings.
These are liberals and progresses who you know, right, they're
going to try and use our religion against us. They
don't even understand the tenets of it, but they're saying
there are some Christian ministries that will not survive if
President Trump keeps this freeze on funding for them, on
grant money and the like. And then you know, I

(38:45):
have from Eric Tits at least from the Center for
Renewing America, and he says, he just said, an entity
that cannot survive absent federal funding isn't a ministry at all,
It's a federal agency. So does that speak to just
so much of the ills that we have today that
are just it's the government that found backdoor ways in
the private world to do with sturdy dealings that it
couldn't otherwise do legally.

Speaker 8 (39:07):
Absolutely, if there is an entity, whether it's a religious
organization or not, that cannot survive without government funding, that
raises two questions. One, what is your priority?

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Who are you working for?

Speaker 8 (39:20):
And two what is it that you're doing for the government.
I mean, the reality is, we know there were large charities,
so called religious charities that were essentially engaging in human
trafficking in order to bring in, recruit and bring in
illegal immigrants and move them throughout the country. And they
were doing it at the best of the Biden administration,

(39:40):
and as a result, there have been disastrous consequences for
the American people and really the people we should care about,
which is the people that live in our own communities
and are impacted by this inflow of violent and unvetted
illegal immigrants to our country. So these things, these cries
are absurd, and again they're coming from people who are
so deaf, dedicated, and tied into the DC establishment and

(40:02):
the uniparty that it is hard to take them seriously.
And I think we can see one thing that's clear
from President Trump is if you are ruthlessly efficient and
you have a game plan, you can reduce the size
of government. You can reduce spending. But the other thing
we're seeing is worldview is everything. We are dealing with idealogues,
We are dealing with communist progressives and too many in

(40:25):
the Republican Party have been unwilling to have a worldview
that answers that they simply want power and to survive
and to have comfort.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
And we have to change that.

Speaker 8 (40:35):
And I think President Trump is showing this our worldview.
Our faith is everything, and it does determine our destiny
and it.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Does Davi's great analysis as always, Thanks for joining us tonight.
Coming up next. Democrats are trying and failing to blame
President Trump for a high egg priceis well to bunk
their latest attacks when wink them back in two.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
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Speaker 1 (41:24):
Welcome back to Tipping Point. I'm your host, Kara McKinney.
You know what is rich? No, not the American people.
We've been made poor by Biden's time in office, but
Democrats got richer and now their latest line of attack
against President Trump is pretty rich too, pretty rich, and
that their attack is both unreasonable and is a projection
of their own failings when it comes to inflation. So

(41:45):
Democrats in both the House and Senate sent a letter
to President Trump the other day criticizing him for saying
that he would immediately bring down prices once he got
into office, and yet, curiously they say prices still remain high.
I don't know who needs to tell them this, but
immediately in this context does not mean literally overnight. But
what President Trump is doing, even with the deportations wrongly

(42:09):
maligned in the letters being a distraction from inflation, will
actually help to lower the cost of living for Americans,
and he's doing that immediately. Here is White House Press
Secretary Caroline levitt answering a similar line of attack about
the price of eggs.

Speaker 9 (42:23):
You mentioned the.

Speaker 10 (42:23):
Inflation executive Order the President signed, but egg prices if
skyrocketed since President Trump took office, So what specifically is
he doing to lower those costs for Americans?

Speaker 11 (42:34):
Really glad you brought this up, because there is a
lot of reporting out there that is putting the onus
on this White House for the increased cost of eggs.
I would like to point out to each and every
one of you that in twenty twenty four, when Joe
Biden was in the Oval office or upstairs in the
residents sleeping. I'm not so sure. Egg prices increased sixty
five percent in this country. We also have seen the

(42:58):
cost of everything, not just eggs, bacon, groceries, gasoline have
increased because of the inflationary policies of the last administration.
As far as the egg shortage, what's also contributing to
that is that the Biden administration in the Department of
Agriculture directed the mass killing of more than one hundred
million chickens, which has led to a lack of chicken

(43:18):
supply in this country, therefore lack of egg supply, which
is leading to the shortage.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Now, despite Lovett's explanation, as you can see with the
CNN headline, expect record high egg prices for most of
the year. This will be the line of attack Democrats
rely on, at least for now, joining us not to
discuss as Brian rising Or the author of Land Rich,
Cash Poor, My Family's Hope, and the untold history of
the Disappearing American farmer. Brian, thanks for being here tonight.

Speaker 12 (43:45):
Hey, thanks so much for me on.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Gray. So before we get to the book, let's talk
about some of the politics going on right that directly
affect farmers and therefore American consumers. So what do you
make of this new line of attack against Trump, specifically
on eggs, but on any product right that he hasn't
yet reversed all of the inflation that Biden accrued over
four weeks in a mirror week and a half.

Speaker 12 (44:06):
Yeah, you know, the reality is that, of course, inflation
is a deep challenge, a deep problem that will take
time to reverse, and that's a deep seated issue. The
other thing is there are other deep seated issues that
are driving the higher price of eggs and other types
of food in the wake of COVID when our supply
chain was locked down, and with bird flu going on,

(44:28):
that's another supply chain destruction. Those are big, deep seed
issues they're going to take a long time to address.
On the issue of the number of chickens that were
ordered to be slaughtered, you know, you're going to have
experts saying that in some of those cases that was
medically necessary. In some of those cases maybe not. There's
going to be debates about that. But the reality is
that the reason that having to euthanize chickens because of

(44:51):
bird flu is such a big deal in this country
is because we have a industry that is so concentrated,
meaning we've got really big distribution centers, really big processing centers,
large farms producing our food. In so many cases, it's
not unique to the food industry. It's something that is
happening all across the American economy. But because things are

(45:12):
so concentrated, if you have one big facility go down,
it can have a real big impact on the supply
of eggs. If we had more family farms all over
the country supplying food locally, regionally, as well as nationally,
we would have more resilience. We wouldn't have our supply
chain that was so vulnerable to disruption as it was
during COVID and as it is during bird flu right now.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
And that's a perfect way to segue straight into your book,
right So tell the audience about your book and what
they should know about it.

Speaker 12 (45:41):
Absolutely so, land Rich Cash for this is a hidden
history of the disappearing American farmer, and we get into
all of the key eras driving the disappearance of our
farms for the past century. We weave that with my
family story. We're fourth generation, my dad's still farming. My
sisters were going to take it over from him, and
I'm just honored to.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Tell the story.

Speaker 12 (45:57):
But we we've our personal story with what are the
big issues that are driving the disapreeance of our farms?
Forty five thousand farms per year on average for the
past century. And it's no wonder that our food security
is such a huge issue in this day and age
that it is.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
And I know even under Biden, right, we would hear
all the reports coming out eightp Reuters and the like
would report on X amount of federal dollars. Biden says
it's going to American farmers to fix this exact problem.
But as you're saying, the problem just keeps getting worse.
So what exactly is driving the issue? And therefore what
can President Trump now do to help set this whole

(46:33):
thing right?

Speaker 8 (46:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (46:35):
You know, the biggest thing that we can do is
we can try to write our government policies so that
we can inject innovation back into American agriculture and inject
an entrepreneurial spirit back into American agriculture and make sure
that we have markets that are fair for the little guy.
So the reality is, as I looked at this, you know,
I found that there were failures by both parties going

(46:55):
back decades and decades, the Democrats as well as the
establishment of the GOP back in the day. And so
the issue that we have now is that so many
farms are limited in what they can grow their force
because they've got kind of busted markets that are no
good and because of government subsidies steering them in certain directions,
there's only a certain number of crops and products they
can grow. We're in a place where people care more

(47:17):
than ever where their food comes from. So let's take
advantage of that. Let's have new entrepreneur opportunity for our farmers.
Let's get government policy out of the way of that,
taxes and regulations out of the way of that. Let's
make sure we're standing up for our farmers to make
sure that domestic and international markets are fair to them.
Those are the kinds of steps that we can be taking,
regardless of politics, to try to find a way to
have our small family farms able to thrive again.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
And you mentioned the subsidies. Is that essentially going back
to the age old issue of the government picking winners
and losers.

Speaker 12 (47:46):
It absolutely is, and this goes back all the way
through the depression and there are some folks who will
argue that some of these programs save some farms, and
that may be the case in some case of some
programs and not the case in others. But the reality
of the situation is that all our country has done
is piled government program on top of government program There's
something that everybody who looks at this doesn't like, the
right the laugh, People within farming, people outside farming, they

(48:08):
all have things they don't like about our government programs
on farming. And the reason for that is we just
keep piling them up, so we don't know if they're
working number one. Number two, we don't know places where
they contradict one another. And number three, they become prone
to a favoritism and abuse over time, and that gets
to the picking of winners and losers. We need to have,
you know, a good, clear, coherent policy around how we're

(48:30):
handling this stuff, rather than what one economist I talk
to called the fragile Jenga tower where you pull one
block out and you know, the whole thing can come tumbling.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Now, you know, it's scary, like you said, when real
crises happen around the world and the grocery stores don't
have the food that it usually is stocked and supplied with.
It's very scary and because sometimes, you know, we go
through life feeling like, well, you know, if you're hungry,
you go to the store and you grab something to
eat and or you make it at home or whatever,
and everything's fine. But obviously, like I said, when these
big crises happen, it shows that the system are actually

(49:00):
there's a lot that goes into these systems, and they
can be quite fragile, and that can be very scary
because that it's not easily reversed if something bad were
to happen. So as you're talking about here, and again,
correct me if I'm wrong, because this may be true
in other sectors and maybe it's not so true here,
but it probably is. But as you're talking about, with
these these big companies, big corporations, they usually buy up
the little guys, right, and they drive the little guys under.

(49:23):
And one way in which they do that is they
go to the government and they lobby and they say, oh,
federal government, look how sad X or Y or Z
industry is. Look at what happened here and this egregious abuse.
But listen to me on what regulations I think would
make the problem better, but really it's making the situation
easier for them, and it's making it actually harder for
the little guy than the little guy just can't keep

(49:44):
up anymore with the regulations, and the little guy goes, Okay, fine,
you can buy me out, pay me x amount of money,
and I'm just gonna leave the industry altogether. And then
more and more we get some of these monopolies. So
we see that time and time again. We're seeing it
even in the big form of medical world. Is that
similar to what you're talking earlier tonight when it comes
to the farming industry.

Speaker 12 (50:03):
Yeah, you know, we have a situation where the food
industry has to try to keep up with all of
the other industries in this country. The agriculture industry needs
to try to keep up with the food industry. The
farmers have to keep up with the agribusiness companies. It's
an ongoing chain and this is happening all across the
American economy. And the real problem with government is that
it is able to be captured whenever the industry is,

(50:25):
it's able to be captured. And so many times when
there's supposedly a government solution to something, it's a solution
that is something that can be absorbed by the bigger operations.
You know, they've got the to your point, First of all,
the lobbyist influence the policymaking, and then from there they've
got the army of lawyers and accountants and others to
help them navigate how to best take advantage of programs

(50:46):
or avoid different red tape, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
It is the small guy. It's the little guy that
ends up paying the price.

Speaker 12 (50:52):
So when people think that government is the solution, oftentimes
they end up hurting the very people they profess that
they want to help.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
And see, I guess that's my stick point is it's
always they claim to be fighting on behalf of the
little guy, but they're actively fighting for laws, regulations, you
name it, policies that will drive the little guy under.
And that is I think my biggest problem. But Brian,
before I let you go tonight, tell our viewers anything
else they need to know about your book. Where they
can buy it in the like.

Speaker 12 (51:19):
Absolutely, land Rich Cash Poor is available on Amazon anywhere
else who buy books online. It's also available in bookstores nationwide.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
They'll have it and can get it for you.

Speaker 12 (51:27):
I appreciate anybody who picks it up, whether it's because
you want to understand the issue of why our farmers
are disappearing and the impact it's having on our food supply,
the price of food, the help of our food, or
whether you're interested in the personal story. We tell our
story of survival from the depression to today, and I
just appreciate anyone who wants to shed light on these issues.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Well, Brian, thanks for joining us tonight, and when we
come back, we'll have the results of our last Tipping
Point pol where we ask are you sick of seeing
the Kansas City Chiefs in the Super Bowl? You won't
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