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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm your host, Kara McKinney, and this is tipping point.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
We also know this is just the beginning. If DOJ
attacks USAID today, then you can be sure they'll move
on to another target tomorrow. Who knows, maybe it'll be
the Postal Service or the IRS or even the Social
Security Administration they could be next, or maybe our national
security agencies send up.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is so so close to getting it.
That's not far off from what we actually want. Bye bye, IRS.
Wouldn't that be great?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Now?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
That's what the country voted for. Sorry, Chuck, I don't
make the rules on our ohso sacred democracy, as he's
so fond of waxing poetically about when it goes in
his favor. It's good to keep in mind that what
Elon Musk retweeted on x It's a post saying that
all the government officials who are absolutely terrified of DOJE
audits are the same ones who wanted eighty thousand new
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IRS agents, some of whom were armed to audit you.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
And I over six hundred bucks.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
No less, not the nearly fifty billion dollars that USAID
gets annually to carry out the CIA's dirty tricks abroad
so that they can be perfected and used here domestically.
There's so much to get into, so I'd like to
bring on Clint Russell of the Liberty Lockdown podcast to
help me break it all down.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Clint, thanks for joining us tonight.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Thanks for having me. Kara my timcast iral brethren. Oh dah,
I'm so thrilled that I voted for Donald Trump. For
those that don't know, I was running for VP of
the Libertarian Party. And I can't tell you the amount
of flak that I got for ultimately breaking down in
the final two weeks and voting for this guy. But
the past two weeks have made it all worth it. Sorry,
I didn't mean to interject. I just had to get
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that off my chest. I don't regret a thing, no.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Noworr is whatsoever? I mean, that's why I brought you
on right to hear what you have to say. And
that's the thing, right Libertarians there. I know there's so
many factors, right, so many, so much infighting, but is
there any movement perhaps of more and more libertarian saying, hey,
maybe this Trump guy, maybe he's right, He's finally going
after USA ideas, We're going to be talking about here tonight.
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Also the Department of Education or basically all these giant,
you know, government agencies.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
He's slash slash slashing.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
It's incredible. I mean, from abolishing the Department of Education
via executive order to the freezing of USAID funding, which
I mean, yes, we're going to get into details, and
I've got a lot to say about that. I mean,
even to the security in the border, even though there's
some dispute amongst libertarians as to how to address that,
I think abolishing DEI. I mean, the list of wins
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in the first two weeks is really extraordinary. And then
on top of that, he was assumed to be very
bad for Palestine, he gets a ceasefire within you know,
twenty four hours of walking into the office. It's it's
unbelievable progress. I'm still a pessimist, I'm still extraordinarily jaded.
It's only been two weeks. But in terms of the
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first two weeks, this is by far the best two
weeks of any presidency in my lifetime. And it doesn't
come close.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Definitely.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
And as we're talking about earlier, as I was saying,
I guess I should say earlier, it's not really hyperbole
right to say that USAID what President Trump and Elon
Musk and others are really focusing on right now, that
it essentially functions as a front group for the CIA.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yes, and there's actually documentation to prove that out. And
because of my show Liberty Lockdown, obviously I was inspired
to get into this world. I had been a mortgage
broker and then I became a podcast and a libertarian
co commentator and then ultimately a politician, which is very
strange and I did not enjoy that part of it.
But because of Liberty Lockdown, I did a tremendous amount
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of research into the origin story of COVID. Well, wouldn't
you know it was USAID that was responsible for funding
the Mighton Revolution into only fourteen, Victoria Neulin, the State Department.
They all worked in tandem to assist the opposition party
in Ukraine to rise up during that winter. As a consequence,
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it ultimately led to the invasion of Russia into Ukraine.
But simultaneously you have Victoria Neulin under cross examination from
Marco Rubio, now the Secretary of State, where he is
asking her about biolabs inside of Ukraine, and she acknowledges
that yes there are. But here's the interesting part. She
doesn't just acknowledge that there are biolabs in Ukraine. She
laments the fact that they may slip into the hands
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of the Russians and how dangerous that might be. Now,
if these are just just benign biolabs where they're working
on trying to keep us safe, why would you be
concerned about the Russians having them, VICKI, Well, the answer
is quite obvious is that they were working on bioweapons
just as they were working on bioweapons in the Uhan
Institute of Virology, which I might add was also funded
by USAID and it was approved by Anthony Fauci THROUGHHNIAID.
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So yeah, this is this goes very deep. The USAID
is the slush fund for regime change operations all over
the world. The fact that Trump has frozen it and
is planning to put it under Marco Rubio is not
a perfect fix, but is a massive step in the
right direction. The perfect fix would be to abolish.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It entirely, definitely, And I would say that there is
two major issues here at hand with USAID and how
it functions globally, right, the CIA regime change and all
the rest they can funnel lot of that money. I mean,
we're just hearing the BBC even gets USAID money. We
know some journalists and others involved with the first impeachment
against President Trump that they were on the take from
usaid and grants and the like. So we see how
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they operate abroad, right, interfering in elections. Funny enough, right,
it's always the projection twenty sixteen. What did Democrats constantly say,
Russia's interfering in our elections and we cannot stand for this.
And it's projection because that's what they've been doing all
over the globe. So they do that abroad. But the
issue on top of that is that then they bring
those tools home to America and then they use it
on American citizens. The other issues I know on X
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The big thing right now right is going through all
the trove of documentation coming out from DOGE about USAID.
Just to take one of so many examples is the
fact in Afghanistan, we paid think forty three million dollars
for a gas station that had no customers. The only
people who were able to use it were Afghans who
were being paid by Americans. And even that it was
too expensive, So we put forty three million dollars into
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a gas station that again essentially had no customers. And
we're all, you know, everyone's saying that's crazy government waste
and the like, and that's true, but it's far worse
than that. It's a giant slush fund. It's a patronage
network for the left, and it's worldwide, and that's how
they subment their power. You know how often during the years,
the peak years of wokeness did we look around and.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Say, who really believes that?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Aside from a few activists, most people laughed off most
the tenants of wokeness.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
And yet it was enforced everywhere.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
You had school teachers the old school more wagging your fingers,
saying respect pronouns and the like. It was indoctrinated so fast.
And again you go back to the money and you
see how it all of them plays out with these institutions.
So when we're looking at all these figures coming out
about what Usaidea was spending money on, should we keep
that in mind that is not just government waste. It
goes beyond that.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Well, that's the key point here is like Rand Paul,
who I love, he's one of the best senators we've got,
son of Ron Paul obviously, you know, my deity, So
I'm not trying to besmirch the man. But when he
talks about, you know, government waste, he likes to focus on,
you know, oh, we spent ten million dollars training lizards
and seeing if they don't, you know what, whether or
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not the cold makes them gay. You know, like that's
that's the type of stuff that he likes to focus on,
and it gets headlines. But I think that the really
important aspects and the really dangerous aspects of what USAID
does is that, yes, they do provide a small percentage
of aid to the rest of the world, that's true,
but it's done on contingencies. They they basically, via those funds,
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they require that local government, that local president or whoever
is responsible in power, who's you know, elected, to do
their bidding, and if they don't, then they turn on
the spigot for USAID to fund the opposition group. So
this is like the hotbed of overturning governments all over
the world. And I just want to really emphasize to
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people this is not a small thing. You have Bolsonaro,
who was almost certainly overthrown as a consequence of USAID interference.
You also had USAID who created a basically a fake
Twitter spin off in Cuba in an effort to overthrow
their leadership too so, but the Ukraine one is really
what's important here. I mean, setting aside COVID, which was
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twenty million people died, can we get concerned about the
fact that we were funding that research in the Wilham
Institute of Proology, Like, that's a fact, ladies and gentlemen.
I'm not making this up. This is not Alex Jones
just screaming, you know, crazily into a microphone. This is
a fact. That's what we did. We were creating bioweapons.
Whether or not they leaked it on purpose. I can't
prove that, so I won't make that claim. But I
know for a fact COVID was made by US. Why
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why did that happen? Did Why did we get locked down?
Why did the guy who was responsible for green lighting
that fund and get put in charge of the response
to the pandemic itself? No one has an issue with that.
Why did Joe Biden issue a pardon for Anthony Fauci
that stretches back to January first, of twenty fourteen, which
oh might I add is when Hunter Biden was taking
the board position for not just Barisma, which is what
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everybody talks about, but also to Rosemont Seneca and the
other one which was responsible for the biolabs. I'm blanking. Apologies,
I'm on a good rant here, so let me just
keep going. But I mean, this is, this is the
reality is like this is, It's all been uncovered and
the truth is a lot of us knew about this. Myself,
Mike Ben's, a whole bunch of other people have been blowing,
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you know, screaming as loud as we could. But it
wasn't until Elon Musk and Doge got involved and they
looked at the funding and what they realized was, oh,
this is where it all happens. This is where everything
that that is, you know, in opposition to US arising from.
And then final point I have to make is that
we were on the cusp of World War three with
the largest nuclear power on earth in Russia as a
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consequence of USAID's actions in Ukraine. Like these are catastrophic issues.
This is not just about you know, gay ferrets or
whatever that ran Paul likes to talk about this is
like World War three, global pandemic stuff. So yeah, it's
a very big.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Deal, it really is.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And he made the point really well on X for
those on the leftl and they don't really have much
to say because they used to talk about this stuff ten, fifteen,
twenty years ago. And of course we've seen the Democrat
Party merge so fully with the estate, with the establishment.
It's been very bizarre to see, right. We just on
the show last night, we're talking about Democrat congressmen were
out front of USAID the close building, crying and apologizing,
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groveling before the feed of their USAID overlords. And one
of the points they keep trying to make is I
didn't vote for Elon must None of us voted for
Elon Musk, So how does he have all this power?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
YadA YadA.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
And I thought you had a very pithy response when
he said, no one voted for these thousands of bureaucrats
at USIAID right, like you're saying, who brought us that
close to nuclear war and all sorts of other catastrophes.
And not only did we not vote for them, they
didn't even give us the dignity of telling us what
they were up to. They lie, they off use gate,
they think we're they're above us, that they don't to
tell us anything, even when it sickens us and gets
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us killed COVID, even when again it brings us to
the brink of war, even when it completely rearranges geopolitics
by taking out all sorts of world leaders and then
leaving their innocent civilians to pick up the pieces, oftentimes
meeting a lot of them just end up dying. And
it's terrific, it's horrible. We're talking about USAID and we
had the headline up just a moment ago. I think
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it was something like ninety seven or even higher than that.
Percentage of those employees who gave political contributions. Of course
gave to Democrats, not to Republicans. So again it's always
very much one way. I know President Trump broadly looking
at federal workers. I think about twenty thousand now are
are taking his offer to resign, get the best benefits
and the me gone by September.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
So this is important.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
What he's doing when he cuts funding and when he
gets rid of these these bureaucrats that we don't need
micromanaging all of us, is that's real tangible change. Executive
orders are great, but those can be rewritten by the
next guy. This is what will change things moving forward.
And as you and I are talking, Tulci Gabbard her
nomination to ODN I Director of National Intelligence to move
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forward through the Senate Intel Committee, same thing with RFK Junior.
I believe now that the Senate will be looking at.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
It for a full full vote on her confirmation.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
And did you ever think though, that we would make
it to this point that USA I D is being exposed?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
And now we could. We're on the brink of.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Having an O D and I who talked about in
front of Senate, in front of the public, operation Timber
Sycamore and other CNI operations right to I see you
nodding an approval to run jahanti's and guns and the
like to make and break leaders all over the world. So,
I mean, it's amazing to this point, right.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
It's it's astonishing. It doesn't feel real. I mean, this
is like all of the stuff that I've been harping
about for years is all of a sudden being talked
about on like the Senate floor by by the person
who's going to be D. And I like how crazy
is that you have RFK Junior, who wrote the book
on Anthony Fauci's corruption, the real uh Anthony Fauci.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
He he knows it all, and he's likely going to
be approved to be the head of HHS, the boss's boss,
the guy who is gonna replace Fauci himself. I mean,
he knows where all of the bodies are buried, all
of them. It's amazing. It's amazing the kind of confluence
of dissident figures that have galvanized underneath this you know, Trump, Maga,
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Maha Libertarian Alliance thing. This is ultimately why I broke
down and decided to vote for the guy, because it
was just such a once in a lifetime opportunity. And
as I said to open, like, the past two weeks
have have assuaged all of my concerns to whether or
not I made the right decision. I he didn't have
to free ross Albrey. He didn't have to put Bobby
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Kennedy athead of HHS. He didn't have to put Tulsi
Gebert at d and I he didn't have to put
cash to Ptel at the head of the FBI, which,
by the way, they're outside protesting right now as a
consequence of that stuff too. So it's like all of
his promises that he made that I didn't expect him
to keep, because which politician has kept a promise to
me in my lifetime, aside from maybe Ron Paul, nobody,
and he's kept them all. I mean, it's it's unbelievable.
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So yeah, the fact that she's talking about temper sycamore
is unbelievable too, And it's such a good thing for
the country. It's so important that we start to tell
the truth to one another, that our leadership, that our
politics starts to just at least attempt to be honest
with us. And these people are genuinely telling you truths
that have been hidden from us for a very long time.
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The entire reason that Tulsi Gabbert has been smeared as
a Russian asset and a you know, putin apologist and
a sod toady or whatever uh that one lady called
her is because she talked to this, because she opposed it,
because she actually went and fought. I mean, she didn't fight,
she was helping wounded soldiers, but she saw the consequence's
first hand of the war against ISIS and the al
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Qaeda and the Taliban, and it's like she then realized that, hey,
we're funding these guys to topple a sad this is madness.
Why would we possibly be doing that? And then Hillary
Clinton and her whole smear machine decided to label her,
you know, a Russian asset or whatever. It's It's amazing,
how I mean, it's just I can't overstate how important
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it is that these people get confirmed, that this entire
alliance continues to progress. I feel like we've got four
years before the deep state strikes back. We have to
get everything done in the next four years, and we
have to keep these people alive. I know I'm asking
for a lot, but that's what we got to do.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
You're exactly right. Clinton, Thanks for making time for us tonight.
Thank you care and coming out next. Democrats love saying
that no one was above the law when it came
to law there against President Trump. Now they're openly advising
illegal immigrants and how to evade ice. Details when we
come back into.
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Speaker 1 (16:37):
Welcome back to Tipping Point. I'm your host, Kara McKinney.
They don't call him the Iceman for nothing borders our
Tom Homan is Ice cold when it comes to making
sure no one is above the law, not even the
Democrat governor of New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
And to be fair, Governor Phil Murphy.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Brought this upon himself when he appeared to taunt Ice
while speaking at the recent Blue Wave New Jersey event.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Watch.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
I don't want to go into too much detail, but
there's someone in our broader universe's immigration status is not
yet at the point that they are trying to get
it to and we said, you know what, let's have
her live at our house above our garage, and good
luck to the Fed's coming in to try to get her.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I hope Democrats are loving the president they set because
if the Feds could store mara algo back in twenty
twenty two and be authorized to use deadly force against
then former President Trump if it came to it, then
the walls of the Governor's mansion will be nothing for
Ice to handle. Here's what Holman had to say in
a follow up interview, I've.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
Gotten hold of it, won't let it go. We'll look
into it. And if he's normally normally harbor and concealing
and illigue Alian, that's a violation tied away in nice
states called thirteen twenty four. I will seek prosecution or
the secretary will seek prosecution. So maybe he's buffering. If
he's not, we'll deal with that.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Now before we get to our next guest tonight. I
was wondering if any of you have been following the
story of that American woman over in Pakistan, because while
we're always talking about a third world immigration to the
US for handouts and for fast tracked citizenship, this is
the only time I can think of, personally of it
going the other way, and Pakistan is utterly beside itself
on how to proceed. Thirty three year old Oneiza Andrew
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Robinson traveled to the country back in October to marry
her nineteen year old boyfriend, whom she met online. The
story goes that his family was horrified by the news
and have hidden the tina a somewhere while this American
woman camps outside their house, conducting press conferences and referring
to herself as the wife of their son. Now, sadly,
according to this woman's son, she is extremely mentally unwell.
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So I won't comment on that, only to say that
it's bizarre watching an American abroad in Pakistan making the
same sorts of demands that mass migration from Pakistan into
the West also tried to dictate. Watch I'm not talking
unless y'all giving me land oh more.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Every week you.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Hear me, I'm gama Pakistani passport and Pakistani I D
I don't live.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I'm chilling. You're chilling here. Why are you not taking
your flight? There's none of your business. Now go home?
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Joining us now to discuss as Liz Harrington, a former
spokesperson for President Donald J. Trump and a current contributor
for Abandon's War Room List, Thanks for being back tonight.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
Hey, great to see Kara.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
So Democrats used to love saying that no one is
above the law when it came to law there, but
they were waging against President Trump. But look at that
the governor of New Jersey appears to be bragging about
aiding and abetting the violation of federal immigration law. What
do you make of that?
Speaker 9 (19:47):
Oh, it's par for the course, sadly right. I mean,
this is what they view the law in this country.
They think they're totally above it, they're totally lawless. It
really is amazing to see them be so honest about
what they really view immigration and law and order in
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our country. And the amazing thing though, is they could
have gotten away with this in the past.
Speaker 8 (20:13):
But there's a new sheriff in town. And don't you know,
President Trump is back in the oval office.
Speaker 9 (20:20):
He's not playing games, and not that he was the
first time, but I mean, there is so much to
clean up, and we are very serious. We finally have
a serious president back in the office, an actual president
back in the office.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
And Tom Homan. I don't know about you, Kara, but
I'm just sleeping so much.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Better at night that we have him.
Speaker 10 (20:40):
As the borders are a real live borders are who
actually is going to enforce the law, and all these
Democrats are going to have a rude awakening, I think,
because it's all talk, it's all bluster until you actually
have people who are serious about our great country and
fixing our border and our sovereignty, which is the.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
Most serious thing of all. And it couldn't have come
fast enough.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I know.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
And it shows how Republicans before Trump they were so
often controlled opposition. Because if it was any other Republican
in office right now and the governor of New Jersey
was saying what he said, they would just either ignore
it or make some kind of a platitude about you know,
that's not very nice and no one's above the law
and leave it at that. Whereas Tom Holman is just
very frank and he says, well, if he is doing
something illegal, then we'll handle it. And you know that's
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that right. You know, they actually do it. They make
good on what they say, President Trump keeping those promises.
Now it's not just the Democrat governor of New Jersey.
There's now Democrat Congresswoman il Han Omar and she was
speaking at different events in her in her district and
she's talking to local Somali's and it appears that she
may be giving some advice to those who may not
be here legally either. So we have that sound by
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I want to roll it and then get your take afterwards.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
So let's watch lieutenant and had the.
Speaker 11 (21:58):
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and and Skumadiari and in art Adam NiTi and information.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I'm sensing a theme here with Democrat politicians, how about you?
Speaker 9 (22:45):
Oh my goodness, I had not seen that clip yet,
but that is astounding. Obviously there's a theme. Uh, they
hate this country. They're literally telling people to break the law.
I mean that's illegal, which is discussing about these aren't
American citizens, they don't have a right to an attorney.
It's as if she's, you know, giving advice to people
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who are being persecuted like the JA sixers or something,
not people who have invaded our country on the millions
and millions upon millions, many of them dangerous criminals, who
are being put on the first plane.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
To get MO. I mean, this is insane, Kara.
Speaker 9 (23:27):
This is someone, by the way, who many believe herself
has committed immigration fraud.
Speaker 8 (23:33):
So she's I'm sure going to.
Speaker 9 (23:34):
Get the attention of Tom Homan and she better be
careful because again we're taking the law seriously again in
this country. We're not going to be a dumping ground.
We're not going to let our land just be invaded.
Those days are over and they are talking about destroying
the rule of law, and they, I guess did not
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get the memo that the rule of law is back.
Come January twentieth, twenty twenty five. It's back, and it's
in force right now.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
That it is. And I remember was about a year maybe.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Two years ago, ilhan Omar found herself in yet a
similar scandal right where she was speaking to Somali constituents
and saying, sleep easy at night, because I'm doing the
bidding of Somalia from my perch in Congress. I will
help Somalia in all of its local regional disputes with
Ethiopia and Kenya and other nations in the area. And
everyone said, wait a second, ma'am, that is not your job.
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If you are a US representative, you're supposed to be
representing your district at the at the national level and
therefore representing American interests, not those of Somalia. But like
you're talking about, it's been it's been a long running
theme here. But lastly, before I let you go, tonight,
CBS they're running this news clip and it's a woman
from Guatemala. She's been deported by President Trump by borders.
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Art Tom Homan and she's crying, and you know, I
don't want to mock that, because I do understand there's
a lot of people living in poverty and they are
hurting right now. But that doesn't negate my next point here,
and so CBS is trying to use the water works
to say, well, someone's crying, therefore let's rip up.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
All of our laws.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
And I don't know go from there, but that's the
point they try and make. She was saying in this
interview through the translator that her parents paid twenty five
thousand dollars to the cartel to get her to America,
and they were very poor, so I don't think they
paid upfront, right. The problem is she's living in or
was living illegally in America to pay back the cartel.
Probably even with interest, they're probably getting more than twenty
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five thousand at the end of it. But that speaks
to the larger issue is that that's what we don't
want in this country. We don't want a lot of
people here illegally for a number of reasons, including the
fact many of them are indebted to the cartel. They
are empowering the cartel, they're doing the bidding of the
cartel because they could die otherwise. That's kind of the
last thing that we want going on within our border.
So last thirty seconds to a minute for you on this.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
Well, it exactly, I mean, it's astounding.
Speaker 9 (25:50):
Where was the media with all of the tears for
you know, Joscelyn Nungary's mother, the poor twelve year old
who was murdered, countless other examples. President Trump's gotten to
know all those families, but the media didn't care about
this story. And they're again not covering it to you know,
give support to the people who are victims of the cartel.
(26:14):
They're covering it to really empower the cartel more because
they're trying to hurt President Trump and his administration and
his agenda.
Speaker 8 (26:22):
Which is putting an end to the power of the cartel.
Speaker 9 (26:25):
So it's really twisted when you think about what they're doing.
But thank god, President Trump's not deterred and he has
a mission.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
They're securing the border as we speak, and people will
not get into.
Speaker 9 (26:39):
The situation that they're in these horrible conditions and being
put into slave labor and trafficking. When we have a
secure border, when we're no longer allowing this invasion to continue. Soever,
it is going to be better for the entire world,
the entire region, because of all the policies at President
(27:00):
Trump put in place, and he's already succeeding on with
the tariffs and getting Mexico and Canada to put a
stop to drug trafficking as well.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
No, definitely, Liz, thank you so much for making time
for us tonight.
Speaker 8 (27:12):
Thanks so much. Good to see you back.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
And coming up next, one major oil company is already
using the term Gulf of America. How this relates to
returning America to energy dominance.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
When we come back.
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Welcome back to Tipping Point. I'm your host, Kara McKinney.
The name Golf of America has already catching on, and
its most recent earnings report, energy giant Chevron swapped out
the name Gulf of Mexico in adherence with President Trump's
executive order signed on January twentieth. Other oil giants, such
as Exxon Mobil stuck with US Gulf Coast to refer
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to the body of water. But hey, it's close enough.
CNBC reports on it this way quote. The move by
Chevron is another example of American companies seemingly growing more
willing to publicly align with Trump in his second term
in the White House. Many companies, including meta platforms, have
rolled back their diversity initiatives at the same time as
Trump is pushing for similar changes and federal agencies. Chevron
(28:40):
also gave two million dollars to Trump's inauguration. The executive
order directs as Secretary of the Interior to make the
name change for federal communications and data systems within thirty days.
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and arm of the
Commerce Department was still using Gulf of Mexico as of
Friday end.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Quote. I have to discuss all of this and more.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Is Daniel Turner, the founder and executive director of Power
the Future.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Daniel, thanks for being here tonight.
Speaker 12 (29:07):
Always a pleasure. Thanks Kara great.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
So.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
I know this may seem like a silly point in
line of all the seismic shifts going on right now
in DC, but Chevron and other oil companies using the
term Gulf of America speaks to me of a new
American center in which we become energy dominant again. Is
that how you perceive this as well?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Oh?
Speaker 12 (29:26):
Absolutely. You know something really important about the Gulf of America.
The world's largest oil platform, offshore oil platform operates there,
and it is controlled by communists China, in partnership with Mexico.
It's in international waters. And you know, this is happening
on a lot of our coasts in international waters. And
(29:49):
when the Biden administration declared that we were no longer
able to drill in the Gulf of America, we were
no longer able to drill off the coast of California
or the coast of Alaska. Our enemies didn't pay attention
to that. And Russia is operating in the Arctic, China
is operating in the Gulf of America, and I think
the nomenclature restates that this is our water. Yes, of
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course there's international waters, but this is ours, and we're
going to develop our energy in our backyard. And we're
not going to let the Chinese in partnership with our
supposed ally Mexico, outgun us in the oil and gas business.
So It's a very good step on Chevron's part and
a great step for America's part reclaiming its sovereignty in
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this industry.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
You know, I hadn't realize that about China and how
they're operating so close to us, right off our shores.
As you were talking, it reminded me of our now
Treasury Secretary Scott bess And when he was talking, when
he was speaking at his own confirmation. Hearing right Democrat
Senator I think it was Senator White and was trying
to go after him and say it's a clean energy
race that we have with China, and I like how
(30:56):
Essin just coolly answered him and said, sir, they're opening
like something in the nameghborhood of one hundred coal plants
this year alone. It's not a clean energy race. It's
an energy race, period, right, And so we have to
deal with the world as it is. We can't live
in la la land. And so does that kind of
speak to what you're talking about here that well, we've
been off, you know, in our ivory towers, talking about
(31:17):
clean energy and power through wind and solar and things
that just aren't working and are very visibly not working.
That like you said, China, India and the rest that
they've left us far behind on that it's back to
coal plants, it's back to drilling, and we in turn
need to get back to those basics as well.
Speaker 12 (31:34):
It really is, and that common by now. Secretary Besson
really was opprescient, because just a couple of days after
that China announced their new AI system. It sent markets
around the world tanking. All of our tech industry went
into panic mode when deep Seek was launched. And of
course I don't believe a lot of what the communist
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Chinese put out about their economy or about their AI technology,
but it is important to know that if they're able
to build successful AI platforms and data centers, it's because
they have reliable, abundant, affordable energy. China is building coal plants,
only the Western countries are dumb enough to use wind
and solar, which are expensive and intermittent and made in
(32:19):
China at the same time. So China is building coal
plants to build solar panels that we are then buying
to not use coal, and the solar panels don't work
and are expensive. So I thought that the Secretary made
a really important point pointing out the stupidity of the
radical green agenda and how it just makes us weaker
and poorer.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
And now we are hearing that Lee Zelden over at
EPA that he may be firing as many as one
thousand EPA bureaucrats. Are you going to be shedding any
tears over their potental departure.
Speaker 12 (32:53):
No, I hope the EPA follows the suit of the
Secretary of Education and eventually shutting down the agency and
returning the powers back to the states where it belongs.
Nobody would be more efficient at cleaning up your state,
or monitoring your state, monitoring the air and the water
and the soil, and protecting the environment of your state.
(33:15):
No one would do that better than your state, and
your state's governor and your states. And to think that
a bunch of bureaucrats in Washington care more about the
water or the land or the air of rural America,
or even of Virginia where I live. If I want
to protect Virginia and my farm in Virginia, I'd much
(33:36):
rather turn to Richmond than I would turn to Washington, DC.
And so I think the EPA needs to return to
its original role and downsize tremendously rather than what it's
been doing, which is what happened under Obama and under Biden,
where it's just weaponized to do the bidding that the
Left can't do legislatively, so they try to sneak it
(33:57):
through the EPA, you know, And I.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Also think Friend of the Show Steve molloy, he pointed
out also the EPA.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
He said, think about the.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Tens of thousands of American jobs that were lost because
of the EPA and decisions they've made over the years
to ground under oil, gas, to ground under coal and
the like, and how so many of those small towns
now have fallen into opioid abuse and the like, and
how they've been completely gutted. And so you know, they
did that to tens of thousands of Americans, and they
(34:26):
told them learn to code instead. Right, that was, you know,
always the smarmy little quip that they'd throw back. Well,
you know, sorry, EPA, it's time to slim down, it's
time to you know, get rid of these bureaucratic managerial jobs.
And speaking to the EPA also in just a moment,
staying on that, do you think Congress should really take
back its reins of control as well from the EPA,
because for so long we've been ruled by a fourth branch,
(34:48):
it's the administrative state. Congress just signs into law a
bill saying we want clean energy or we want you know,
nice breathable air or clean water. Well, who doesn't want that, right,
But there's nothing else in the legislation.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
So where does it go?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Goes to the EPA, goes to these other agencies, and
then they get that blank check to just make up
these rules as they see fit. They have their little
comment period, but it's not like they care much what
the general public says.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
And then they put.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Into practice these these new policies they make, so essentially
they act as Congress by writing their own laws. They
are then the executive agencies, so they're the ones who
put it into practice, and then if they get sued,
the court systems give them difference. Right, These agencies get
difference from the court, so they basically have it all
sewn up.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
So does Congress should.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
They really be taking back control, especially when it comes
to our energy from agencies like the EPA.
Speaker 12 (35:38):
One hundred percent And this is a really big area
that you're talking about and worthy of a lot of attention,
and it deals with the Supreme Court case on Chevron deference,
et cetera. A lot of legislators, legislators are unwilling to
sign their name onto controversial legislation. They prefer big omnibus
bills because they can sneak a lot of things through,
(36:00):
but real concrete, specific especially appropriations and spending bills, they
don't want to do. So what they do is they
pass these large mandates, so, like you said, a clean air,
clean water, and then they leave it to the agencies
to figure out the nitty gritty. Well, when you get
an agency run by a bunch of crazy leftists, you know,
what is particulate matter? What is the right percentage of
(36:22):
particulate matter? What is a greenhouse gas? Shouldn't Congress decide
or shouldn't our legislators the American people via our legislators,
shouldn't we decide what is considered to be a pollutant?
But no, that's not how it works, because no legislator
wants to say carbon dioxide is not pollution, and it's
not pollution, right, it's carbon. It's embarrassing scientifically that it's
(36:45):
been considered pollution or a greenhouse gas. But what Congressman
wants to do that, they don't, so they turn it
over to the legislators. It's very much what we're seeing
also with the USAID problems.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
Right.
Speaker 12 (36:57):
No congress person wants to appropriate forty thousand dollars for
transgender puppet shows in Mexico, so they appropriate money for democracy,
and then it's up to the agencies to determine that.
And what Elon Musk is doing is saying, well, I
don't see how the transgender Mexican puppet show spreads democracy,
so we're no longer funding it. If they really want
(37:18):
to care about these issues, whether it's greenhouse gases or
transgender puppet shows, it's so simple, write a bill, put
your darn name on it, and bring it up for
a vote. But no member of Congress wants to do that.
Many of them are too cowardly, so they try to
sneak it through and have the agencies do their dirty work.
And that has to come to an end. It's bad
(37:39):
for government, it's bad for our dollars, it's bad for everything,
and it's coming to an end under this administration.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
And that's a very important point, and you say it
so well. And it's also interesting to notice the sea
change that's happening.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
I know.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I live in California, so what have I been here
for so many years? Is that we want to get
rid of the new sale of gas powered vehicles by
the year twenty thirty five or so.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Around that mark.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
We also see all these giant wind turbines and the
like offshore going up, killing birds, killing whales, and so
it doesn't seem very green beast to me. But that's
how it's presented, right. But it seems that a lot
of those plans now are they're pumping the brakes on
at least a little bit. For example, in New Jersey,
the Democrat governor over there, he's starting to I think
Politico has a headline on it.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
And there you.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
See New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy's administration gives up on
new offshore wind.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
So what do you make of that that these.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Ardent supporters, they were the high priests and priestesses of
the climate change religion, and now even they're starting to
pull back a little.
Speaker 12 (38:41):
Yeah, Well, the money's running out, the government mandates are
running out, and these investments, as the Obama, the Biden
Harris administration callum, these investments are no longer viable. Right
during the presidential debate, Kamala Harris bragged that they've invested
over a trillion dollars in the green economy. What do
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we have to show for it? We all pay thirty
percent more for electricity, we pay more for food, we
pay more for gas. How much more trillions or how
many more years before these investments begin to pay off?
And if you look overseas, places like Germany have been
doing this for twenty five thirty years and their economy
is in complete contraction. The European Union is paying forty
(39:26):
fifty times we're paying for electricity. When does it work there?
And so I'm not surprised that these wind and solar
fantasy projects are coming to an end because there was
never any market mandate for it. It was government force,
government money, government programs. And now finally adults are in
charge of the government, and hopefully we can rain in
some of that spending and return that money back to
(39:48):
the American people where it belongs.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
And now just last question for you here tonight. I
know the telegraph over in the UK with again this
change that's going on, and the money is being pulled
out from all these failing projects and so a lot
of them are left flailing. So the telegraph is trying to,
you know, fearmonger once again. As you see right there,
children grip by climate change anxiety. They say, coring to
a poll that teachers are just struggling left and right
(40:12):
on how to deal with all these children who were
absolutely crippled by the idea of dying in a fiery
ball of climate change. It in ten years, twelve years,
I don't know. The goalpost keeps moving. They say it's
as many as seventy eight percent of kids. But then
it's funny they say, I think it was Greenpeace was
the one that did the pull, so I think that
kind of changes the numbers. But I mean, what a
disservice we do to our youth right with this fear
(40:33):
mongering just to try and keep the whole scam going.
It is.
Speaker 12 (40:36):
It's really tragic and it's genuinely evil.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
You know.
Speaker 12 (40:40):
The post child of this is Greta Thunberg and what
they did to her when she was a climate at
activist and then she wasn't a pro hamas anti Semite
that she's turned into. But when she was a kid
screaming about climate change, what child has climate anxiety. I
genuinely believe that number. Even Kamala Harris would talk about
climate anxiety is the number one psychological trauma of our
(41:02):
young people. I believe it. But because we've indoctrinated them.
Every TV show, every cartoon, there their curricula, they're English textbooks.
Everything talks about climate change. And we've poisoned our kids
to believe that they're on the precipice right, that they're
close to extinction, close to death, and that's evil and
the reason why. And they do that with the trans
(41:23):
movement as well.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
Right.
Speaker 12 (41:25):
The reason why adults do that the children is because
they have to convince the next generation of their crazy ideology.
And to pray upon children with political evil like that
is just sickening. Our eight year old should be playing
in streams and having fun. They shouldn't be petrified that
they're gonna die from climate change. And adults who pray
on children for any reason, adults who pray on children
(41:48):
are evil people and they and they should be put
in jail.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
That they should.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Daniel, I appreciate your analysis. Thanks for joining us tonight.
Speaker 12 (41:55):
Always a pleasure. Thanks kyr great being with you.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
And coming up next No one loves the Handmaid's Tale
like the Left, so much so that they're the only
ones bringing that dystopian fiction to reality.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
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Welcome back to Tipping Point. I'm your host, Kara McKinney.
In the future, only poor women will be pregnant. That
is the provocative title of this new piece from The
Daily Caller. Already liberalism has rendered it low class to
have kids young, or to have many kids. The next
step of the sexual revolution would be to keep pushing
to recast pregnancy as it is to be avoided altogether.
(43:02):
We see this in the supposedly gender neutral terminology now
used by medical institutions to call mother's birthing parents or uterus.
Havers that denigration and alienation puts an emotional wall of
separation between women and their capacity to potentially become mothers. Already,
many young girls grow up hating their bodies. Hence the
trans and non binary, social contagion, and being fearful of
(43:24):
the idea of pregnancy. Many grow up without ever having
been around babies, and so the idea of having one,
let alone being pregnant with one, feels completely alien. And
you mix all these factors together, and the premise of
that headline I just read for you doesn't seem so
hyperbolic anymore, does it.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
So?
Speaker 1 (43:40):
The articles about thirty five year old actress Lily Collins
and her forty one year old husband, director Charlie McDowell
welcoming their first child together by surrogacy. Since Lily has
been opened in the passpout her struggles with severe eating
disorders to stay very thin, some are speculating she used
a surrogate in order to spare her body the hardships
of pregnancy and childbirth. Whether or not that's an accurate
(44:02):
perception is irrelevant here, because the main point is that
Lily is only the latest in a long string of celebrities,
including Kim and Chloe Kardashian and Paris Hilton, who have
used surrogates to have children. The article says, quote, our
elites are signaling that they aren't willing to sacrifice their job,
body or status for pregnancy. It won't be long until
(44:22):
society as a whole sees pregnancy as a poor woman's job.
Paying for a surrogate as already a status symbol. Unless
a couple is willing to set up a fundraiser to
help cover the costs. Only the wealthiest can afford the
one hundreds of thousands of dollars it takes to pay
for the practice end quote. The article then discusses the
serious physical and mental health ramifications that surrogates face. Many
(44:44):
of these women are poor and are interested in the
idea of being paid large sums of money.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Joining us out to discuss as Emma.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Waters, a research associate for the Heritage Foundation, Emma, thanks
for being here tonight.
Speaker 13 (44:55):
Thank Eric, thanks for having me Gray.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
So, do you think it's just for society to allow
women to, especially those who are poor or who are
even foreign nationals, to be used in such a way,
to be relegated to rented womb in the form of
commercial surrogacy.
Speaker 13 (45:10):
As with every question on this matter, we have to
ask ourselves what is just and good for the family
and for the children and our society. And when it
comes to surrogacy, there are three primary problems. First is
that surrogacy necessarily adds a third person into the covenant
bond of man woman marriage.
Speaker 8 (45:29):
Now it may be.
Speaker 13 (45:29):
Through a high tech form where the husband never knows
the surrogate and an intimate manner, but it cannot be
denied that the surrogate is in some sense entering the
marital relationship through her role as a childbirth giver to
the family. So it's a far more high tech version
than concubines in say, the first century, but it's still
the same idea. The second is that it necessarily creates
(45:53):
a difference in relationship between the child and the parent.
So instead of the child having a clear relationship to
the mother and the father as both their biological, gestational
and relational parent, surrogacy potentially adds up to three mothers
in the child's life. The egg donor, which is typically
someone either the mother who intends to raise the child
(46:14):
or just an egg donor that they find, the gestational
mother or the surrogate who carries the child and builds
this intimate bond through pregnancy, and then the relational mother
who intends to raise the child. And then, finally, as
you alluded to, there's a major problem when it comes
to the exploitation of women, primarily offering poorer women large
sums of money up to sixty or seventy thousand dollars
(46:38):
just to carry a child for someone, and for the
United States, that's well above the medium income for a family.
You can see how that's a massive coercive incentive financially
for these women.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, you know, and like you were saying too, it
brings so many bizarre aspects as well. I know, I
was reading on the Independent there was a woman who
was talking about the Lily Collins situation and then you
reave enter the article and you find that she herself
used a surrogate to have children or IVF actually specifically.
But the weird issue though, was her partner had committed
suicide during the process and then so even years after
(47:12):
his death, he was still fathering children. And I've seen
others when it comes to surrogacy. I've seen grandmother's right
who carry their own son or daughter's child in their wombs,
so their grandchild in their womb. And I know in
that situation grandma didn't do anything with her son, but
she is carrying the child of her son.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
So it's very bizarre.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
There's the rights of the child, like you were talking
about a moment ago, that need to be brought to consideration.
You know, I believe you're Anglican. I'm Catholic, and we
believe in the child having these rights. They have a
right to their mother and a right to their father,
and that gets all broken and the child is made
to bend to whatever the adults in their life want
them to. And that is a completely opposite way of
(47:52):
how we should be looking at the parent and child relationship.
And so what do you make of that factors as
well that, as you and I have talked about before,
when it comes to law, now there's almost this idea
that people have a right to a kid and that
by any means necessary, whether it comes to the child's
expense or not, they have a right to that and
everyone else has to bend around it.
Speaker 13 (48:14):
Yeah, that's absolutely right, and that's certainly the direction that
most of our policy on the state level has gone
when it comes to commercial surrogacy. So there are a
number of states of it this way. A couple of
years ago, when I started working on this issue, there
were still three states that actually prohibited commercial surrogacy, not
allowing intended parents to pay another woman to birth a
(48:36):
child for them under any circumstances. Since that time, actually
there's only now one, maybe two states that only prohibit
commercial surrogacy, and even states like Michigan that previously recognized
the rights of the child have totally switched gears and
have actually introduced and passed a very expansive commercial surrogacy
(48:58):
policy that really places all the power in the hands
of intended parents, some power in the hands of the surrogate,
and no protections for the child involved, effectively allowing people
to pay a woman for her birth child, which is
a massive violation of even international law when it comes
to the rights of children that they cannot be bought
(49:18):
and sold. So if you'll know it's an adoption, there's
never an instance at least in like a public adoption
right where parents are paying a woman directly for her child.
They may pay the agency who covers the woman's medical
fees and costs during pregnancy, but they're very clear in
the lines that they're not paying for a child, whereas insurrogacy,
(49:39):
you're paying for every aspect of the child in future
of fertilization to create the child. Potential egg and sperm
donors to get the parts necessary as well as the
woman and her ability to birth the child. And so
in many ways, the pursuit of a child, which is
very good, right, like we all recognize this inherent desire
for children and value of children, is then used to
(50:00):
a commodity of sorts where you're actually pursuing this sort
of transactional relationship where your desire for a child justifies
any meats necessary, including stripping parents children potentially from their
biological parents or their relational parents.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yeah, there's so much that goes into this whole situation,
you know, as we're talking about as well, it's almost
this this broader push to relegate motherhood itself as being
almost low class, low status.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
And it's funny.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
The left is always talked about the Handmaid's Tale, right,
they would wear the red frocks and the white bonnets
to in tone soberly about President Trump doing X or
y or Z. And the whole premise of that, if
memory serves, was wealthy women using poor women to bear
their husband's children for them. And that's exactly what this
commercial industry does. And yet look what side they're on.
(50:52):
But Emma as always, you are able to break it
down in such a fine manner. Thanks for joining us tonight.
Speaker 13 (50:58):
Of course, thanks Garat so.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Thanks for sticking around thus far. After their break, I'll
give you some updates about what to expect with our
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