March 3, 2025 • 48 mins
Dr. Mary dives into the unconventional relationship between our professional lives, limiting beliefs, and our health, particularly focusing on women's experiences. (Previously episode 9 of season 2)
Joined by Anjel B. Hartwell, a visionary founder of Creative Age Consulting Group and the Wickedly Smart Women's Podcast, the conversation explores Anjel's transformative journey from a high-pressure real estate career to empowering women through understanding and balancing masculine and feminine energies.
They discuss the physical impact of hyper-masculinized societal pressures on women’s health, touching on chronic issues like pelvic pain and the importance of marrying both energies for a healthier life. Anjel introduces 'The Five Ways Women Ward Off Wealth' and shares actionable advice on stepping out of restrictive professional roles while fostering a wealthy, balanced life. This insightful dialogue aims to inspire women to reclaim their health and professional joy by realigning their lives in a nourishing and impactful way.
00:00 Introduction to TMI Talk with Dr. Mary
00:28 Guest Introduction: Anjel B Hartwell
02:14 Anjel's Journey: From Real Estate to Spiritual Awakening
06:46 The Masculine vs. Feminine Energy
07:46 Health Impacts of Professional Life
08:25 Overcoming Limiting Beliefs
11:16 Empowering Women: Voice and Value
19:01 Balancing Masculine and Feminine Energies
21:39 Marketing Strategies: Masculine vs. Feminine Approaches
26:56 Balancing Structure and Fluidity
28:13 The Body as a Metaphor for Business
29:39 Challenges for Female Business Owners
31:43 Five Ways Women Ward Off Wealth
35:20 The Importance of Surrounding Yourself with Positive Influences
40:17 Taking the Leap: Transitioning from Corporate to Entrepreneurship
46:05 Conclusion and Resources
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Audio Only - All Particip (00:00):
Hello everyone.
(00:01):
And welcome back to TMI talkwith Dr.
Mary.
As always, we are going to bediving into an unconventional
approach to health.
And that is our professionallife.
We're going to be talking abouthow a draining job and limiting
beliefs in our professionallife, especially as women can
really affect our health andeven pelvic health.
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I know this is something that Ihave dealt with myself, and I am
incredibly excited.
To share this information withyou today, we have Anjel B
Hartwell, and she is the founderand lead visionary of creative
age consulting group.
She is the wealthy life mentorand is an internationally known
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speaker and transformativeartist.
She is the, be the changemovement to watch award winner
and as one of America's.
Premiere experts.
She is a creator of the appletop 50 ranked men on purpose
podcast, which she sold in 2020.
She's the creator executiveproducer and host of a 14 time
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award winning apple number oneinternationally ranked podcast
called wickedly smart womenpodcast.
And the newly released top 50internationally ranked three
times award.
Winning leading visionariespodcast.
She is also the author of thenumber one release in three
categories and a four time awardwinning book called be heard by
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millions and live your destiny.
And she is hired to consult withhigh achieving leaders who are
called to be the vanguard of thecreative age.
We are excited to have Anjelhere.
Ready to tackle the topics thatyou've been curious about but
never felt comfortable asking?
With a straightforward, nononsense perspective on life,
blended with candid stories anda healthy dose of humor, Dr.
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Mary Grimberg cuts through thefluff and addresses the
conversations we all need tohave on TMI Talk, where no
subject is too taboo.
Our bodies, our minds, andeverything in between.
Now here's your host, Dr.
Mary.
Audio Only - All Partic (02:06):
Welcome Anjel B Hartwell.
I am so excited to have you onthe podcast.
Thank you so much for having me,Dr.
Mary.
Yeah.
Well, I figured we just go aheadand jump right in and have you
explain a little bit about yourstory and what led you to
empower women and break throughtheir limiting beliefs.
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Well, I actually spent 20 yearsin the real estate business and
I was very masculinized, I was awoman in a more masculine field.
My last project was 51 singlefamily houses, 56 apartments in
an office building with twopartners.
And then I had a spiritualawakening and that spiritual
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awakening led me to leave behindthat career and to start to
explore a whole lot of latentparts of myself that I didn't
know existed.
So as a result of thatawakening, my healer arrived, my
author arrived, my performerarrived, my like, All of these,
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my artists derived all of theselatent parts of myself.
And there was a period of timewhere I spent really two years
after I left real estate, justimmersing in discovering myself.
And as a result of that,Discovering myself, I discovered
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a lot of things.
One, I had been highlymasculinized by society and
culture and number two, I didn'treally understand what the
feminine was at all.
Not only did I not understandthe feminine, I was actually
averse.
I was like, get that away fromme, right?
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In this spiritual awakeningperiod, it became clear that
there were, there was just awhole other world.
To me that I didn't know existedand I gave myself permission to
explore that world and then as aresult of all of that
exploration, once you go to themountain, you have to tell, you
have to come back and tell otherpeople, Oh my God, there's a
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mountain here.
Let's go, let's go see the viewtogether.
And and so that really led meinto starting to work with women
primarily, although I haveworked with a few very wise men
my work has primarily been with.
Women all over the world and alot of what I ended up working
with people on was the voicehelping them to feel great
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speaking and powerful asking formoney.
Your work is the other throat,right?
But the throat chakra and thesacral chakra are very
interconnected with one another.
So I love that.
I had a massive spiritualawakening April of last year.
And that's when I just paused oneverything I was doing and just
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thinking what, Oh my gosh, likeyou just said, I have to
discover this.
I have to tell, and noteverybody's ready to hear it
sometimes.
So that was also Honing in on,okay, well, how can I find the
right people to share this withwho are ready for it?
And for me, it's not aboutreligion.
It's more about tapping into ourhighest self and our truth and
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how powerful we are when we knowthat.
And our society focuses so muchon hyper masculinity and women
too.
Like we're independent, we don'tneed anything.
And then it's then we developall these like sicknesses and
just cascade of so manydifferent things.
Absolutely.
Well, and yes, our society ishyper masculinized and yes, many
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of us have been really damagedphysically really damaged.
And what's interesting is thebody is incredibly resilient,
and it will give you signals.
I mean, my body has been givingme signals for years, but it
wasn't until I left behind realestate, started in the personal
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and professional developmenttrack, began my own journey,
began working with other womento help them to dismantle this
cultural conditioning.
And then Even when I had, evenwhen I had so much joy and so
much benefit from the experienceof the demasculinization, there
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was still a very strong part ofme that continued.
down that, down that path, evenin my own business until
eventually the body was like,done.
The body was like, yeah, no,we're done.
We're done.
And, uh, I think one of thethings that's important to
remember is that we are both,we're both physical, our
physical bodies were made by aman and a woman, right?
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We're both.
Aspects.
And the work is less, I thinknow for me at least, and for the
people I work with, it's lessabout completely denying our
masculine side or completelydenying our feminine side and
more about how do we marry thetwo together and have them work
in unison in a way that'sincredibly healthy.
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And my health journey in 200018, I realized I, I just, it was
done.
I was done.
And I spent.
Most of 2018, like 20 hours aweek, just working on health.
So it can be bad if you don't,if you don't pay attention to
those things.
Well, we're not taught, associety is just at least in the
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U S right is go profit, which,Hey, I'm all about making money,
but not at the expense of myhealth.
And I've seen this in my.
PT clinic, a lot of women inhighly masculine fields, like
maybe real estate or softwaresales or like these, or even
just high up executives.
I see a lot of chronic pelvicpain unknown chronic illnesses
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that they can't seem to figureout.
But at the same time, there'sthese golden handcuffs, right?
Like how am I going to make thekind of money that I'm making?
How am I going to do that?
And that was something I'venoticed is just, which goes to
our next question is what aresome common limiting beliefs
you've seen in high achievingwomen?
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Because I know I've dealt withplenty, right?
Well, 90 percent of them haveimposter syndrome.
And partly because I think thatwe are acting as imposters if we
are trying to be men in women'sbodies.
Oh, I love that.
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If you're, if you are being animposter, if you're trying to
keep up with the boys.
And I remember when I was 16 andI got my first car had a 400
engine and I would.
I'd sit at the stoplight and theboys would come next to me and
I'd be like, I was always out tobeat the boys because, that was
the way we were trained.
We were trained to believe thatboys were better and that we
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needed to prove ourselves to beeven better and be playing on
their field rather than.
Our own field.
So number one I find impostersyndrome.
Number two, I find many highachieving women really diminish
their accomplishments.
Yes.
Really diminish the value thatthey bring.
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A good example is I had a clientthat came to work with me.
Couple of years ago, and she wasone of those women.
She owned a constructioncompany.
She bought a 48 million companywith no money of her own.
I mean, that is just like mindblowing, right?
She bought a 48 million companywith no money of her own and
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ended up getting pushed out ofthe company by the men.
Who ended up, being part of thatwhole thing.
And ultimately how she and Istarted to work together was she
decided that she wanted to starther own company, her own
consultancy, her own thoughtleadership business.
And she had enrolled in acoaching program that was one of
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these big name.
And it was a man's name, bigman's name coaching programs
where the coaches on the teamwere telling her that she needed
to find 10 clients to pay her250 an hour.
And it wasn't working.
It wasn't working.
She wasn't getting any clients,no matter what she did.
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And she ended up hiring me andshe invested probably about 60,
000 to work with me.
The very first thing I did was Isaid to her, There's no way that
you are ever going to be workingwith clients for 250 an hour.
You bought a 48 million companyand ran it.
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Okay.
Your value doesn't match with250 an hour.
I don't care what industryyou're in.
I don't care whether you'retaking your skills from X
industry and putting it overinto Y industry.
Coaching clients and so thefirst thing we did was we looked
at everything that she hadcreated in her life And we
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distilled it into something thatshe could communicate the value
of at a twelve thousand dollarprice tag and you know It, it
worked.
She got her first 12, 000 clientafter over a year trying to get
250 an hour clients.
And so the second thing thatwomen do is we grossly
undervalue what we have tooffer.
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And then the third thing that Ithink that is a challenge for
high achieving women is that weceiling ourselves.
So if you look now at The wheremost of the money is in the
whole world, right?
It's in the hands of a very fewmostly white men That's where
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the vast majority of the moneyis and women Inherently even
those of us who have beenmasculinized Inherently we are
wanting to be in community andto care for each other.
That's just something that can'tbe stamped out, no matter how
hard the patriarchy tries tostamp it out.
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We inherently want to do that.
Unfortunately, what we do,though, is we tell ourselves
internally that level of hugemoney is far beyond what we're
capable of stewarding or caringfor or having or dealing with,
right?
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But the truth is, if billions ofdollars were in hands of
conscious, Caring women, thisworld would look incredibly
different.
Oh, I feel that because I myselfhave dealt with incredible
imposter syndrome and it's,we're living in a world that
wasn't made for us.
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And this isn't shitting on men.
There are plenty of great men inthe world, but at the same time.
That like you're saying, thepeople in power, the people
running these massive companiesand everything, it's hyper
masculinized in this go goculture, which essentially is
slowly killing all of us, all ofit, all of us, not even the men,
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it's now rapidly killing.
Rapidly.
That's why I was like, I have toget this podcast out.
I have to talk about thesethings because yeah, I can treat
somebody for pelvic health inthe clinic, but if they're going
and working 80 hours a week go,got to crush it.
Got to make all this money.
Got to keep up with the men.
Your body says no.
Your body stops.
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That's what Gabor Mate's book iswhen the body says, no, I don't
know if you've read it, but thatbook really helped transform my
life because your body will stopyou.
And then we think of it as oh,why is my body against me?
And I thought this because I hadcancer back in 2019 and I was so
mad at my body and looking back,it was a gift, right?
Obviously it took some time toget to that point.
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I wasn't like, oh, gift.
Great.
Chemo.
Love.
No, it was okay.
Buckle down, let's figure outwhy this shit happened and how
to move forward.
But it is literally, it's aepidemic, maybe even a pandemic,
I'd say of women suppressingtheir talents.
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So many women I know I'm like,please.
Put your information on a block.
Do put yourself on social media,like something, get this out
here.
Cause your perspective isinvaluable, but inherently they
think no.
That's for my husband.
That's for my brother.
That's for this.
That's the underlyingsubconscious kind of theme,
right?
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Like it's not my season.
I don't have the money or.
I don't do money.
I don't do math.
I don't do math.
Yeah.
And then there's also this, whowould want what I have?
Who would want that?
Who would want that?
Who would want that?
And if you're listening to thisand you're stuck in a job you
hate and you're drained and youthink who would want that.
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We do.
I do.
I want to hear it.
I want more authentic people inthis world and women's voices.
So I think that's, spot on whatyou're saying.
And so going back earlier towhat I was mentioning earlier
about a correlation, with healthissues and suppression of self,
I see this pop up in neck painand pelvic pain.
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What do you see?
Well, I see it as people notspeaking, right?
So, which is the neck pain, samething, not speaking.
And I also see it as not moving,right?
Which is the pelvic pain.
Not taking action, not moving inthe direction of what you're
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called to do, or in thedirection of your dreams.
And I think one of the thingsthat happens too, which is just
now coming to me, Mary, is thatwhen a woman is called to do
something different, whetheryou're listening in the corner
office right now, or in thecorner of your living room when
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a woman is called to dosomething different, there is a,
a holdback, I think that.
They don't want to replicate thesame pattern that got them to
whether it was burnout or pelvicpain or neck pain.
They don't want to replicate thesame pattern, but they don't
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necessarily see a different way.
And so it holds them.
It holds them locked in.
the pelvic area from taking anykind of movement or taking any
kind of action.
And one of the beautiful thingsabout those of us like yourself
and like myself and many mentorsthat I've had the pleasure of
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being mentored by, there arewomen out there who are doing it
a different way.
Yes.
Initially I tried to put thepedal to the metal with my
business and.
It's my body stopped me.
The body will continue to giveus the signals.
The body will continue to showus what's healthy for us, what's
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not healthy for us.
And it's up to us to continue tomake the, take the actions and
make the choices that prioritizeour wellbeing.
So if I'm prioritizing mywellbeing and I look at a
schedule that says I'm speaking,I'm doing podcasts, I'm doing
this, I'm doing this, I'm doingthis.
And I have no room in there fora walk in the woods, or I have
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no room in there for making myown food because I'm not going
to buy crap.
I'm going to make my own food.
It's up to me to actually setthe stage.
for my success, for my greatestwell being and to learn to trust
that even in this world it ispossible, there is actually more
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than enough for all of us, it ispossible for us to be able to
craft a world that works for usfor us as individuals and the
more women who make thosechoices to start to feel great
speaking, to start to feelpowerful, it Asking for what you
want, saying what you want,saying what you need, setting
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yourself up so that yourwellness is your top priority.
Your wellbeing is your toppriority.
The more of us do that, the moreother women have role models and
the more we chip away at theentrenched belief that we have
to do it.
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the masculine way.
One of the things that I like towork with my women on is what I
call your wealthy life and thewealthy life is more than just
the money.
It is the sum total of all ofthe resources that we have
available to us.
I like to use the mnemonicdevice thief, T H I E F, because
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we're often stealing from one ormore of these areas.
Time, health, Imagination, whichis a combination of our
intellect and our and ourintuition, the ecosystem of
exchange, which is where we havethe money exchange with people,
but it's also where we havecollaborative exchange.
Like right now, you and I are inour ecosystem of exchange with
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each other.
And then fun.
With our friends, our family,and fellow travelers on the
journey.
And all of those resources haveto be prioritized, not just the
money, in order for you to havea wealthy life.
Yeah.
I think that's so key because Somuch of our society is, Oh, I
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don't know if I should spendthat or do that.
And most, I mean, for certainthings, some people maybe may
not be able to afford it, butfor some people it's actually a
limiting belief that they can't.
And so then it's manifested thatway.
And so then that's their life isconstantly circling fear of
money, which then energeticallyblocks your money in the first
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place.
And then this.
Full expansion of self.
And this is something I'veactively struggled with and
moving through, but I'm leaninginto it and moving through it
versus letting it control me.
I saw something the other day,it was courage or fear, and it
was no courage.
And fear.
And so I just announced, so, forpeople listening, you record
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these podcasts in advance, butyesterday I just sent the launch
of my pod rebrand of thispodcast out to a bunch of
people.
And I was scared.
I was anxious.
I was nervous all day.
I keep checking things and belike, Oh my gosh, you're going
to get a hater and you're goingto get multiple haters.
I'm sure.
But like the collectively, likewhat is the response and the
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messages that I've gotten are,wow, you're a force of nature
and you're really inspiring meto come into my own.
And I.
Just, I just, let me feel that.
Let me just soak that up becausethis is beyond me now.
So it's like what you said isthe more women we can do this,
it's like pumping me up to belike, Oh hell yeah.
Then if I'm inspiring otherwomen and we can lift up each
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other.
Great.
But it is scary.
But it's so possible and Iwouldn't trade this for anything
else.
And it's addicting.
You want to get more people outthere to know, Hey, and so many
of these coaching programs thatI've, I had been a part of in
the past, I just stopped usingbecause it was hyper
masculinized.
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Don't tell people the price,just get them on the phone.
And then this and this, I'mlike, just tell people to put it
on the website, transparency,kindness.
We don't need to promote extremescarcity or fear.
Like how can it be a decisionthey feel excited about and
wanting to look forward to thatresonates with me more, but so
many people in business arescared because they don't like
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those tactics.
They're aggressive.
And I find that's why womenavoid it sometimes.
Cause they don't know that's bromarketing.
Well, and I think one of thethings that I've seen in, uh, I,
I don't know, femme marketing?
Yeah, I don't know.
One of the things I've seen infemme marketing is too loose,
too loosey goosey, too all overthe place, too oh, just flow.
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And I'm here to be an advocatefor, yes, we want the river to
flow, but it flows between thebanks.
right?
The only way the river can flowis if there's banks to
metaphorically as well asliterally, right?
And the banks are really thestructure that allows the river
to be generative.
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So I think that it's importantto not throw the baby out with
the bath water on either side.
And instead to look at how doesit work best for me?
How does it work best for me?
And when I first started doingsales, I learned from a guy.
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I learned from a guy.
And he was very clear about youdon't give them the price until
you've done it.
whether or not you even want towork with them.
Okay?
Because just because I put aprice out there doesn't mean,
especially if you're workingwith people intimately, doesn't
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mean that you actually want towork with that person.
So the price can be a Guardrail,let's put it that way.
It can be a guardrail thatallows you as the business owner
to be discerning in the salesconversation about whether or
not there's an energetic fit,whether there's a mindset fit,
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whether there's a, uh, anenthusiasm fit with whoever it
is that you're talking to.
And so, I think that it'simportant to remember that
pricing and how and when youdeliver pricing can be a
beneficial boundary iftransmitted correctly.
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Okay?
So I think part of it is in thetransmission.
If the person on the other endof the line who's in a sales
conversation with you isTransmitting desperation, you
can feel it if they'retransmitting superiority, like
I'm better and, I'm notinterested in talking down, if
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they're talking down to you,that's, that you can feel that,
so I think it's a little bitmore nuanced than, Give the
price or don't give the price.
Oh, for sure.
I was just giving an example ofif you don't feel comfortable
with a certain type, like whatdoes that feel like for you?
Cause you can still sell and youcan still do these things in a
way that feels good for you.
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For instance, like thetraditional PT marketing would
be like, Barge into a doctor'soffice, give them buy, spend all
this money and buy all this foodfor them for lunch.
And then you're just waiting forthem to pay attention to you.
And I'm like, I'm not doingthat.
Like I'm not selling myself inthat.
So that's uncomfortable for me.
What feels better is to connectwith them via maybe like a
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social media and then be like,Hey, do we connect?
And if they want to meet then.
We can grab coffee or whateverit is that has grown my business
substantially.
The other way just felt likewalking into somebody's home and
begging for their attention.
And that did not align with me.
But I agree with what you'resaying is it's my whole thing
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was more of yeah, this betweenthis hyper masculine and then
hyper feminine, like both peoplecan be in the, or you can be in
this.
A little bit of both one andnot.
Let it control what you do in away that doesn't serve you.
And so I like for peoplelistening, so some people may
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not be aware of what you'remeaning by masculine and
feminine.
I think a lot of people justthink men and women, but there's
so much more energetically thatgoes with the masculine energy
and the feminine energy.
Can you dive in a little bit tothat.
And, I think all definitions.
At the end of the day end upbeing transcended by what's
actually happening in themoment.
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So for me, highly masculine ormasculine energy is more rigid.
It's more structured.
It's more like I spent 20 yearsin the real estate business and.
Uh, at the end with that projectthat I did with two male
partners, I was handling themoney piece.
So literally I was putting zerosand ones in boxes.
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I was putting, everything wasgoing into a box.
It was all being structured andit's logical and it's rational
and it's, everything can at itsextreme, it's like just steel
and gray and no beauty.
There's no beauty.
It's all, Rigid and lines andsquares, right?
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The more feminine is You know,brained, it's holistic, it's
multidimensional, it's colorful,it's creative.
But, I have friends who, if Ishare a hotel room with them, it
literally looks like anexplosion happened when I walk
in the door.
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Because they're so flowy.
Their clothes are all over theplace and, their suitcases
exploded.
And I think that there is aplace in between where we can
bring in the structure and thefluidity, just like I was saying
about the river and the banks,where we can bring in the
structure and the fluidity for,to create something, a third way
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that is more alive.
And if we're going to talk aboutthe body's only purpose is to be
alive.
The body wants to be alive.
So if the body is spending toomuch time in rigidity, it's
going to be You know, it's goingto start dying.
The cells are like, Oh, we'renot moving.
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We're not going anywhere.
We're just going to start dying.
And if the body is spending toomuch time in total flow, we have
skin for a reason, right?
We have skin to keep part partsof our muscles and our veins and
all that stuff in.
So I think that the body is abeautiful metaphor for where we
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can build our businesses and ourlives where it's this beautiful
blend, right?
I like to think about the cellwall, right?
The cell wall is a boundary, butit's a fluid boundary, right?
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The wall of the cell allows somethings in and keeps other things
out.
And so I want to build mybusiness.
I want to serve my clients.
I want to help them build theirbusinesses in ways that are
beautiful unification wherethere's an aliveness.
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No, I love that.
I think.
But yeah, there's such a blend.
That's why you see so manycreatives unable to build
businesses.
There has to be structure, therehas to be some form of a sale.
Showing who you are and seeingif that aligns with that person.
And so if we stay more in that,I see this a lot in health and
wellness and artists and music.
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And then you see we've alreadytalked about like real estate
and say software sales and allthat stuff tends to be hyper
masculine.
And so just the two of thosetogether are needed.
And so I.
I think that we don't thinkabout business.
In a way that serves ussometimes, for instance, like
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female business owners And forsome reason they think they have
to take.
Every single client and dealwith a lot.
They deal with a lot of abuse.
There are certain types ofpeople that if they talk to our
front desk a certain way, I'mlike, Hey, there's another
facility down the street.
Cause there needs to be mutualrespect.
And there's this been thissaying of the customer's always
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right.
Which I think is bullshitbecause I'm not going to take.
blatant disrespect becauseyou're a paying customer.
Cause I'm going to have to,first of all, if we're even
thinking of it from a logisticalstandpoint, I'm going to have to
take the money that I got fromthat client and go to therapy.
So that takes probably have topay for extra therapy for your
team too.
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You aren't, you're that's alosing proposition right there.
It is, but you're not taughtthat in these hyper masculine,
they're like just get the money.
Like it's a transaction.
What's the profit.
And I'm like, Well, well now I'mdrained for the next client who
actually needs me.
And so we've done that.
It was, we rebranded our clinicand just be like, who is right.
And who's aligned with us.
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They will come.
And we just continue to do whatwe're doing.
But I think that's a bigmisunderstanding too, is I'm
going to have to deal with moreshit.
And if you line it up, can, youget to choose, right?
And this goes back to the beliefthat we have to do it the man
way.
You know what I mean?
This goes back to the beliefthat we aren't actually
permitted to create our ownreality.
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And I'm here to tell you you'repermitted to create your own
reality.
I actually have a list of fiveways that women are warding off
a wealthy life and.
And how we can change that is toflip these things.
So if you're worrying, worryingis one of the five ways that we
ward off wealth.
If you're worrying that if Idon't do it X way, then I'm not
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going to make money.
If you're worrying, I'm, if Idon't do it, if I don't take
these people, even though theydrain me, that then that's
what's going to happen, right?
Whatever you're worrying about,you're going to bring about.
Uh, and if you're worrying aboutmaking enough money, then you're
going to bring about thecircumstances where you're not
making enough money.
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So that's one of the ways thatwe ward off wealth.
The second way that we ward offwealth is by withdrawing.
And that's like having the bigvision, getting the calling, but
being stuck in your pelvic bowl,not moving.
You know what I mean?
You're pulled back, your energyis withdrawn, it is held in, and
many women have been traumatizedby the culture, never mind our
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own family backgrounds orwhatever, life experiences, to
be withdrawn, to shrinkourselves, to hide ourselves,
to, collapse in on ourselves.
And if you're withdrawn, theworld can't, the world can't
give you what is here for you totake if you'd like it.
or to receive if you'd like it.
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The third way that we ward offwealth is by waffling.
So if there's a decision to bemade and we are unable to make
that decision, We're not, again,it's the not moving, it's the
not moving, not making thedecision, being stuck in this
place of indecision.
And I like to use the example ofif, let's say you're at a, an
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entrepreneurial event, and youhear the speaker and the
speaker's sharing something thatis going to make all the
difference in your business.
And they say, Oh, it's 10, 000.
And then you go to the ladiesroom while they're, Processing
all those other people that arepaying the 10, 000 and your best
friend sends you a text thatsays, you know that trip to the
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Mediterranean we've been lookingat for years?
It's finally on sale for 10,000.
And now you have the cruise shipor the entrepreneurship.
The cruise ship or theentrepreneurship.
And both ships sail when you'rewaffling and not making a
decision.
So, the fourth way that we wardoff wealth is by whining.
And many times women do thisover wine.
which lowers your consciousnessand puts you in an environment
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where other women are colludingwith what you're whining about.
And that's not going to createany positive forward momentum.
This is where we call itswamping.
Another thing we could call itis swamping, where it's just
polluting with the sob stories.
That's too far on the feminineside, I think.
And you're not going to, it'snot going to be productive.
You're not actually going to getout of it other than off gassing
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some emotions.
You're not really going to shiftyour reality by whining.
And then the last one is waitingon, and I did this all the time
at the beginning of my personaldevelopment career.
I would wait on everybody elsefor, no pay, initially, for no
pay.
I was running around waiting oneveryone because I was so
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excited by what I, my calling, Iwas so excited by my calling and
I was so excited by what hadhappened for me that I wanted
everyone to be having the sameexperience and if people aren't
paying for it they're not goingto actually get the benefit.
Of it.
I'm not going to value it.
Yeah, that's right.
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That's right.
I think so much of our health isdictated by the people around
us.
And so if you're surroundingyourself, just if you're
listening right now, and you'relike, man, I, uh, I did all the
things I was supposed to do.
Maybe I had, I got married, Ihad the kids, I got the job, I
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have the house.
Why am I not happy?
Well, we've all right.
Like we've sat there and we'relike, this is what we've been
told and it's not working.
And then you might be sick.
You might be in pain andwondering, well, now my body is
giving too.
And it's the if we, what arethe, what's that saying?
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If you have five friends andyou're the sixth person and five
are millionaires, you'll beeventually be one.
And the point of that is justyou are, you hang out with, so
if you hang out with a bunch ofpeople that hate their jobs,
that binge drink, that want togossip and talk shit about other
people, that's stagnation.
That's that swamping.
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They have been trained by oursociety that's the behavior
that's the behavior.
But, look at anybody who's been.
20 years whining and, just yearover year.
We're here at the beginning of anew year.
Has anything changed for thatperson that you've been
listening to whine for the lastyear or the last two years or
the last three years?
My mother was a whiner.
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She was a horrible whiner.
Eventually, I had to say, no, Ican't do this with you.
I can't do this with you.
If you're going to call and talkto me, I want to hear something
good.
And if you can't say somethinggood, don't call me, a hard
thing to do to your mother withyour mother.
I needed to make sure that I waswell and listening to her
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bitching and moaning and whiningabout everything wasn't helping.
It wasn't doing anything for anyof us.
Yeah.
I mean, I think there's abalance in my experience of
okay, feeling your emotions,right?
Feeling them processing the,when you start marinating in it,
that's.
That's okay, we've got to moveforward because there you can,
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there's places for this.
This is why you hire a mentor ora coach.
This is why you hire a healthprofessional.
If you have an issue with yourpelvic bowl, go see Dr.
Mary and explain to Dr.
Mary what's going on and Dr.
Mary is there to give you asolution to support you to find
your way out of what you have acomplaint about.
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I'm not saying that we can'tcomplain ever, but.
Marinating in it, but dosomething, take out, do
something, take some action.
And that's why people hire mebecause you can bitch and moan
about, Oh, I don't have anyclients or I'm not making enough
money or I, the, blah, blah,whatever it is, I'm not getting
any clients.
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I'm trying to charge 250 for 10clients.
Cause that's what the coachestold me.
And I was like, yeah no, that'snot going to work for you.
So yes, there are places andspaces where we can bring the
complaint.
I am not by any stretch of theimagination saying ghost, what
is it?
It's not ghosting.
It's gaslight.
Don't gaslight yourself.
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Don't be in denial.
Don't being in denial is worsethan constantly complaining, I
think, because being in denial,you're just completely
suppressing everything.
But know that if you have acomplaint, That is something
valid that needs to haveattention.
It doesn't need to have anaudience.
There's a difference.
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Yeah.
No, there's a massivedifference.
I agree., I had a hard fewweeks, a few weeks ago with just
some changes and I was.
Just really down in the dumps.
And I was like, allowing myselfto feel it.
I was trying to judge myself andbe like, just move through it.
Just, you can't get over this.
And it's no, I'm going to feelthis.
I'm going to move through it.
I'm going to allow my body toprocess it.
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So that way it doesn't pop uplater, cause there's also like
emotional suppression too, butexactly.
There's a goal.
Seek help, move through it.
And try not to be stagnant.
And one of the things that I'venoticed a lot is it's around 45
to 55 type a women that I seedealing with chronic pelvic
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pain, gut issues.
A variety of stuff.
And I find, I haven't everlooked up research on this, but
I do think something, as you gothrough perimenopause, your
estrogen starts lowering andyour progesterone.
So I think.
When we start doing that, ournervous systems are more
hypersensitive to, to things andwe become less tolerant to BS.
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And but then there's like withinwhat do we do right now?
And so then they have the goldenhandcuffs, right?
So they're stuck at this highpaying job.
So, and they're having all thesehealth issues.
And maybe, these othercorporations aren't hiring,
which is, a big thing.
And they have all this stuff topay for their kids, right?
And then they're stuck.
What would you say to thatperson right now?
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That person, I would say there'stwo ways to go.
You could go the way I did,which I took a flying leap.
I just was like, I'm done.
I'm done.
I'm outta here.
I don't care.
I don't care if I end up with nomoney.
I don't care.
'cause I can't do this anymore.
Not for one freaking second.
So when I left real estate, Iknew I was going to die if I
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stayed another minute and I justleft.
And I learned that.
I learned in the leaving that Idid have a safety net.
I learned in the leaving that Idid have wings when I took the
flying leap.
I learned how to say no topeople.
I learned how to haveboundaries.
I learned how to prioritize myhealth.
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I learned how to generate moneymy way.
I learned a lot of things bytaking a flying leap.
So you can do it that way.
Or, you can lay one flagstone onthe bridge and just start making
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moves in the direction of whatyou actually want to create for
a life because the clock isticking and it's not going to be
better five years from now orten years from now.
Number one, your health is nonnegotiable.
Health is non negotiable.
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Start with your health.
One, do one thing.
Start with your health.
If you have a calling to dosomething, one of the things
that I help a lot of women do, Ihave my own podcast, Wickedly
Smart Women.
I have a little roadmap forwomen in corporate who are ready
to think about getting startedin a consultancy business.
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Understand, if you're in thegolden handcuff stage, you
actually have a ton of valuethat you don't even know that
you have that could be.
monetized probably exponentiallymore than what you're doing now.
And you can design a businessthat gives you the kind of
freedom that you're looking for.
So I'm here to say that thereare ways out either take the
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flying leap and be done becauseit's only you, this is your
life.
This is your life.
You know what I mean?
Or lay one flagstone and thatmay mean You know, getting my
roadmap, it may mean calling Dr.
Mary, it may mean, getting tothe root cause of what's going
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on with your pelvic floor,right?
I had pelvic floor work at onepoint, shamanic pelvic floor
work, many years ago.
And in my pelvic floor work,what came out was I had a
remembrance of a traumasituation And it was Trauma from
childhood that was still livingin my pelvic floor and it was as
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a result of getting that workthat came to the surface and
could be released So that Icould get rid of the claw of
pain that was around my sacrallike literally I would sit down
and it would Be like the claw ofpain.
I could almost imagine it waslike, like a chicken claw Like
attached to my sacrum.
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It was horrible incrediblypainful so that's what I would
say.
I would say either jump andtrust that you're never going to
be better than you are right nowat being able to make the shift.
You're never going to have moreenergy than you have right now
at being able to make the shiftor lay one flagstone on that
bridge one of the two and gethelp be willing to take the
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money out of whatever applestock and put it in to you stock
Put it in you, Stock.
I, yeah, so much of the fear ofmoney and like when you actually
look at your assets and you lookat these different things,
obviously there's a variety ofdifferent things that people are
even unaware of.
Hey, how can I leverage?
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Like for me, I bought a home,made a bunch of equity.
I was able to use home equity.
To then put my money into myselfto heal these inner wounds,
these inner traumas, to travel,to get these different
experiences.
And so then when I do make themoney, I pay it off, and so you
can leverage different thingsthat you may not even be aware
that you can leverage as well.
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And yeah, so much trauma isstored in the pelvis.
To and wherever you need tostart, whether it's working
with, a coach like yourself,whether it's a pelvic floor,
physical therapist, or workingwith a psychotherapist, I'm a
big advocate for psychedelictherapy and helping people go
inward and understand theirsubconscious beliefs that
they're not even aware of.
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And so I think that's, I mean,it's just, it's spot on.
And I think that.
So many people, women just don'tbelieve that this is possible,
but you have one life to live.
And the way that I thought aboutit, when I left corporate was
every time, every day I'd gointo work at corporate, I go,
damn, this could have been oneday I invested in myself.
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And every day I kept saying thatto myself and I was like, Okay.
Okay.
And sometimes I find that I'lleven just put it out in the
universe and give me a sign.
Cause I needed a sign.
I couldn't do the leap.
I needed a sign.
I need a softer, and one day wemerged with a massive corporate
hospital and I go peace out.
Like I, that's it.
That's it because that's it.
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And so I had a clear thing Iasked and I got the answer.
So sometimes it can be evensofter.
I think at least in myexperience of show me, and then
we can start being more visualand observant of these
opportunities that are right infront of our face.
Sometimes they're even in yournetwork that you just, you
haven't even tapped into yet.
And so there's magic everywhere.
I just think that people justdon't.
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See it.
And so just to summarize what wetalked about is, correlating the
stress of work and trying to fitinto positions or maybe work,
positions that we don't fit intohow to balance the masculine and
feminine energy.
So we can.
Live in between both how to workon yourself.
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So that way, your health orwhatever it is to get you to the
next, that next level.
And then like you're, you weresaying with the thieves, right?
Like the different areas ofwealth.
So our health relationships, thefinancial aspect.
And where are you stealing from?
Like really look at where areyou stealing from?
Yeah.
Those are all currencies.
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Yeah.
And so, yeah.
So looking at all that, ifyou're struggling, start really
listening to yourself andsaying, what am I suppressing?
Where do I want to be and whatdo I want to do?
And so how can they reach you?
And if you want to talk about, Iknow you mentioned a few things
in there prior for the roadmapchecklist, if you want to let
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them know how they can reachyou.
Yeah, beautiful.
Well, you can definitely tuneinto my podcast, Wickedly Smart
Women.
At, uh, you can go right towickedlysmartwomen.
com, and we also have theroadmap there, which is 10 signs
that it's time for a highachieving woman to leave
corporate and start her ownconsulting before it's too late.
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And the roadmap is availableright there at
wickedlysmartwomen.
com, or you can go to roadmap.
wickedlysmartwomen.
com.
It'll take you to the sameplace.
So.
I thank you so much for havingme today, Mary.
I'm looking forward to actuallyhaving you on week next week.
I'm really excited.
I love these unconventionalapproaches to health of tying.
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This is the stuff that peopledon't talk about in healthcare
and blending, modern medicine,which can be beautiful, but it's
not the answer to everything.
And so thank you so much.
And until next time, we'll talkto you guys.
Hello everyone.
(00:01):
And welcome back to TMI talkwith Dr.
Mary.
As always, we are going to bediving into an unconventional
approach to health.
And that is our professionallife.
We're going to be talking abouthow a draining job and limiting
beliefs in our professionallife, especially as women can
really affect our health andeven pelvic health.
(00:23):
I know this is something that Ihave dealt with myself, and I am
incredibly excited.
To share this information withyou today, we have Anjel B
Hartwell, and she is the founderand lead visionary of creative
age consulting group.
She is the wealthy life mentorand is an internationally known
(00:43):
speaker and transformativeartist.
She is the, be the changemovement to watch award winner
and as one of America's.
Premiere experts.
She is a creator of the appletop 50 ranked men on purpose
podcast, which she sold in 2020.
She's the creator executiveproducer and host of a 14 time
(01:03):
award winning apple number oneinternationally ranked podcast
called wickedly smart womenpodcast.
And the newly released top 50internationally ranked three
times award.
Winning leading visionariespodcast.
She is also the author of thenumber one release in three
categories and a four time awardwinning book called be heard by
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millions and live your destiny.
And she is hired to consult withhigh achieving leaders who are
called to be the vanguard of thecreative age.
We are excited to have Anjelhere.
Ready to tackle the topics thatyou've been curious about but
never felt comfortable asking?
With a straightforward, nononsense perspective on life,
blended with candid stories anda healthy dose of humor, Dr.
(01:48):
Mary Grimberg cuts through thefluff and addresses the
conversations we all need tohave on TMI Talk, where no
subject is too taboo.
Our bodies, our minds, andeverything in between.
Now here's your host, Dr.
Mary.
Audio Only - All Partic (02:06):
Welcome Anjel B Hartwell.
I am so excited to have you onthe podcast.
Thank you so much for having me,Dr.
Mary.
Yeah.
Well, I figured we just go aheadand jump right in and have you
explain a little bit about yourstory and what led you to
empower women and break throughtheir limiting beliefs.
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Well, I actually spent 20 yearsin the real estate business and
I was very masculinized, I was awoman in a more masculine field.
My last project was 51 singlefamily houses, 56 apartments in
an office building with twopartners.
And then I had a spiritualawakening and that spiritual
(02:49):
awakening led me to leave behindthat career and to start to
explore a whole lot of latentparts of myself that I didn't
know existed.
So as a result of thatawakening, my healer arrived, my
author arrived, my performerarrived, my like, All of these,
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my artists derived all of theselatent parts of myself.
And there was a period of timewhere I spent really two years
after I left real estate, justimmersing in discovering myself.
And as a result of that,Discovering myself, I discovered
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a lot of things.
One, I had been highlymasculinized by society and
culture and number two, I didn'treally understand what the
feminine was at all.
Not only did I not understandthe feminine, I was actually
averse.
I was like, get that away fromme, right?
(03:54):
In this spiritual awakeningperiod, it became clear that
there were, there was just awhole other world.
To me that I didn't know existedand I gave myself permission to
explore that world and then as aresult of all of that
exploration, once you go to themountain, you have to tell, you
have to come back and tell otherpeople, Oh my God, there's a
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mountain here.
Let's go, let's go see the viewtogether.
And and so that really led meinto starting to work with women
primarily, although I haveworked with a few very wise men
my work has primarily been with.
Women all over the world and alot of what I ended up working
with people on was the voicehelping them to feel great
(04:36):
speaking and powerful asking formoney.
Your work is the other throat,right?
But the throat chakra and thesacral chakra are very
interconnected with one another.
So I love that.
I had a massive spiritualawakening April of last year.
And that's when I just paused oneverything I was doing and just
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thinking what, Oh my gosh, likeyou just said, I have to
discover this.
I have to tell, and noteverybody's ready to hear it
sometimes.
So that was also Honing in on,okay, well, how can I find the
right people to share this withwho are ready for it?
And for me, it's not aboutreligion.
It's more about tapping into ourhighest self and our truth and
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how powerful we are when we knowthat.
And our society focuses so muchon hyper masculinity and women
too.
Like we're independent, we don'tneed anything.
And then it's then we developall these like sicknesses and
just cascade of so manydifferent things.
Absolutely.
Well, and yes, our society ishyper masculinized and yes, many
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of us have been really damagedphysically really damaged.
And what's interesting is thebody is incredibly resilient,
and it will give you signals.
I mean, my body has been givingme signals for years, but it
wasn't until I left behind realestate, started in the personal
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and professional developmenttrack, began my own journey,
began working with other womento help them to dismantle this
cultural conditioning.
And then Even when I had, evenwhen I had so much joy and so
much benefit from the experienceof the demasculinization, there
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was still a very strong part ofme that continued.
down that, down that path, evenin my own business until
eventually the body was like,done.
The body was like, yeah, no,we're done.
We're done.
And, uh, I think one of thethings that's important to
remember is that we are both,we're both physical, our
physical bodies were made by aman and a woman, right?
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We're both.
Aspects.
And the work is less, I thinknow for me at least, and for the
people I work with, it's lessabout completely denying our
masculine side or completelydenying our feminine side and
more about how do we marry thetwo together and have them work
in unison in a way that'sincredibly healthy.
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And my health journey in 200018, I realized I, I just, it was
done.
I was done.
And I spent.
Most of 2018, like 20 hours aweek, just working on health.
So it can be bad if you don't,if you don't pay attention to
those things.
Well, we're not taught, associety is just at least in the
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U S right is go profit, which,Hey, I'm all about making money,
but not at the expense of myhealth.
And I've seen this in my.
PT clinic, a lot of women inhighly masculine fields, like
maybe real estate or softwaresales or like these, or even
just high up executives.
I see a lot of chronic pelvicpain unknown chronic illnesses
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that they can't seem to figureout.
But at the same time, there'sthese golden handcuffs, right?
Like how am I going to make thekind of money that I'm making?
How am I going to do that?
And that was something I'venoticed is just, which goes to
our next question is what aresome common limiting beliefs
you've seen in high achievingwomen?
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Because I know I've dealt withplenty, right?
Well, 90 percent of them haveimposter syndrome.
And partly because I think thatwe are acting as imposters if we
are trying to be men in women'sbodies.
Oh, I love that.
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If you're, if you are being animposter, if you're trying to
keep up with the boys.
And I remember when I was 16 andI got my first car had a 400
engine and I would.
I'd sit at the stoplight and theboys would come next to me and
I'd be like, I was always out tobeat the boys because, that was
the way we were trained.
We were trained to believe thatboys were better and that we
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needed to prove ourselves to beeven better and be playing on
their field rather than.
Our own field.
So number one I find impostersyndrome.
Number two, I find many highachieving women really diminish
their accomplishments.
Yes.
Really diminish the value thatthey bring.
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A good example is I had a clientthat came to work with me.
Couple of years ago, and she wasone of those women.
She owned a constructioncompany.
She bought a 48 million companywith no money of her own.
I mean, that is just like mindblowing, right?
She bought a 48 million companywith no money of her own and
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ended up getting pushed out ofthe company by the men.
Who ended up, being part of thatwhole thing.
And ultimately how she and Istarted to work together was she
decided that she wanted to starther own company, her own
consultancy, her own thoughtleadership business.
And she had enrolled in acoaching program that was one of
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these big name.
And it was a man's name, bigman's name coaching programs
where the coaches on the teamwere telling her that she needed
to find 10 clients to pay her250 an hour.
And it wasn't working.
It wasn't working.
She wasn't getting any clients,no matter what she did.
(10:40):
And she ended up hiring me andshe invested probably about 60,
000 to work with me.
The very first thing I did was Isaid to her, There's no way that
you are ever going to be workingwith clients for 250 an hour.
You bought a 48 million companyand ran it.
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Okay.
Your value doesn't match with250 an hour.
I don't care what industryyou're in.
I don't care whether you'retaking your skills from X
industry and putting it overinto Y industry.
Coaching clients and so thefirst thing we did was we looked
at everything that she hadcreated in her life And we
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distilled it into something thatshe could communicate the value
of at a twelve thousand dollarprice tag and you know It, it
worked.
She got her first 12, 000 clientafter over a year trying to get
250 an hour clients.
And so the second thing thatwomen do is we grossly
undervalue what we have tooffer.
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And then the third thing that Ithink that is a challenge for
high achieving women is that weceiling ourselves.
So if you look now at The wheremost of the money is in the
whole world, right?
It's in the hands of a very fewmostly white men That's where
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the vast majority of the moneyis and women Inherently even
those of us who have beenmasculinized Inherently we are
wanting to be in community andto care for each other.
That's just something that can'tbe stamped out, no matter how
hard the patriarchy tries tostamp it out.
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We inherently want to do that.
Unfortunately, what we do,though, is we tell ourselves
internally that level of hugemoney is far beyond what we're
capable of stewarding or caringfor or having or dealing with,
right?
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But the truth is, if billions ofdollars were in hands of
conscious, Caring women, thisworld would look incredibly
different.
Oh, I feel that because I myselfhave dealt with incredible
imposter syndrome and it's,we're living in a world that
wasn't made for us.
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And this isn't shitting on men.
There are plenty of great men inthe world, but at the same time.
That like you're saying, thepeople in power, the people
running these massive companiesand everything, it's hyper
masculinized in this go goculture, which essentially is
slowly killing all of us, all ofit, all of us, not even the men,
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it's now rapidly killing.
Rapidly.
That's why I was like, I have toget this podcast out.
I have to talk about thesethings because yeah, I can treat
somebody for pelvic health inthe clinic, but if they're going
and working 80 hours a week go,got to crush it.
Got to make all this money.
Got to keep up with the men.
Your body says no.
Your body stops.
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That's what Gabor Mate's book iswhen the body says, no, I don't
know if you've read it, but thatbook really helped transform my
life because your body will stopyou.
And then we think of it as oh,why is my body against me?
And I thought this because I hadcancer back in 2019 and I was so
mad at my body and looking back,it was a gift, right?
Obviously it took some time toget to that point.
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I wasn't like, oh, gift.
Great.
Chemo.
Love.
No, it was okay.
Buckle down, let's figure outwhy this shit happened and how
to move forward.
But it is literally, it's aepidemic, maybe even a pandemic,
I'd say of women suppressingtheir talents.
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So many women I know I'm like,please.
Put your information on a block.
Do put yourself on social media,like something, get this out
here.
Cause your perspective isinvaluable, but inherently they
think no.
That's for my husband.
That's for my brother.
That's for this.
That's the underlyingsubconscious kind of theme,
right?
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Like it's not my season.
I don't have the money or.
I don't do money.
I don't do math.
I don't do math.
Yeah.
And then there's also this, whowould want what I have?
Who would want that?
Who would want that?
Who would want that?
And if you're listening to thisand you're stuck in a job you
hate and you're drained and youthink who would want that.
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We do.
I do.
I want to hear it.
I want more authentic people inthis world and women's voices.
So I think that's, spot on whatyou're saying.
And so going back earlier towhat I was mentioning earlier
about a correlation, with healthissues and suppression of self,
I see this pop up in neck painand pelvic pain.
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What do you see?
Well, I see it as people notspeaking, right?
So, which is the neck pain, samething, not speaking.
And I also see it as not moving,right?
Which is the pelvic pain.
Not taking action, not moving inthe direction of what you're
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called to do, or in thedirection of your dreams.
And I think one of the thingsthat happens too, which is just
now coming to me, Mary, is thatwhen a woman is called to do
something different, whetheryou're listening in the corner
office right now, or in thecorner of your living room when
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a woman is called to dosomething different, there is a,
a holdback, I think that.
They don't want to replicate thesame pattern that got them to
whether it was burnout or pelvicpain or neck pain.
They don't want to replicate thesame pattern, but they don't
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necessarily see a different way.
And so it holds them.
It holds them locked in.
the pelvic area from taking anykind of movement or taking any
kind of action.
And one of the beautiful thingsabout those of us like yourself
and like myself and many mentorsthat I've had the pleasure of
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being mentored by, there arewomen out there who are doing it
a different way.
Yes.
Initially I tried to put thepedal to the metal with my
business and.
It's my body stopped me.
The body will continue to giveus the signals.
The body will continue to showus what's healthy for us, what's
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not healthy for us.
And it's up to us to continue tomake the, take the actions and
make the choices that prioritizeour wellbeing.
So if I'm prioritizing mywellbeing and I look at a
schedule that says I'm speaking,I'm doing podcasts, I'm doing
this, I'm doing this, I'm doingthis.
And I have no room in there fora walk in the woods, or I have
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no room in there for making myown food because I'm not going
to buy crap.
I'm going to make my own food.
It's up to me to actually setthe stage.
for my success, for my greatestwell being and to learn to trust
that even in this world it ispossible, there is actually more
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than enough for all of us, it ispossible for us to be able to
craft a world that works for usfor us as individuals and the
more women who make thosechoices to start to feel great
speaking, to start to feelpowerful, it Asking for what you
want, saying what you want,saying what you need, setting
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yourself up so that yourwellness is your top priority.
Your wellbeing is your toppriority.
The more of us do that, the moreother women have role models and
the more we chip away at theentrenched belief that we have
to do it.
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the masculine way.
One of the things that I like towork with my women on is what I
call your wealthy life and thewealthy life is more than just
the money.
It is the sum total of all ofthe resources that we have
available to us.
I like to use the mnemonicdevice thief, T H I E F, because
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we're often stealing from one ormore of these areas.
Time, health, Imagination, whichis a combination of our
intellect and our and ourintuition, the ecosystem of
exchange, which is where we havethe money exchange with people,
but it's also where we havecollaborative exchange.
Like right now, you and I are inour ecosystem of exchange with
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each other.
And then fun.
With our friends, our family,and fellow travelers on the
journey.
And all of those resources haveto be prioritized, not just the
money, in order for you to havea wealthy life.
Yeah.
I think that's so key because Somuch of our society is, Oh, I
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don't know if I should spendthat or do that.
And most, I mean, for certainthings, some people maybe may
not be able to afford it, butfor some people it's actually a
limiting belief that they can't.
And so then it's manifested thatway.
And so then that's their life isconstantly circling fear of
money, which then energeticallyblocks your money in the first
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place.
And then this.
Full expansion of self.
And this is something I'veactively struggled with and
moving through, but I'm leaninginto it and moving through it
versus letting it control me.
I saw something the other day,it was courage or fear, and it
was no courage.
And fear.
And so I just announced, so, forpeople listening, you record
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these podcasts in advance, butyesterday I just sent the launch
of my pod rebrand of thispodcast out to a bunch of
people.
And I was scared.
I was anxious.
I was nervous all day.
I keep checking things and belike, Oh my gosh, you're going
to get a hater and you're goingto get multiple haters.
I'm sure.
But like the collectively, likewhat is the response and the
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messages that I've gotten are,wow, you're a force of nature
and you're really inspiring meto come into my own.
And I.
Just, I just, let me feel that.
Let me just soak that up becausethis is beyond me now.
So it's like what you said isthe more women we can do this,
it's like pumping me up to belike, Oh hell yeah.
Then if I'm inspiring otherwomen and we can lift up each
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other.
Great.
But it is scary.
But it's so possible and Iwouldn't trade this for anything
else.
And it's addicting.
You want to get more people outthere to know, Hey, and so many
of these coaching programs thatI've, I had been a part of in
the past, I just stopped usingbecause it was hyper
masculinized.
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Don't tell people the price,just get them on the phone.
And then this and this, I'mlike, just tell people to put it
on the website, transparency,kindness.
We don't need to promote extremescarcity or fear.
Like how can it be a decisionthey feel excited about and
wanting to look forward to thatresonates with me more, but so
many people in business arescared because they don't like
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those tactics.
They're aggressive.
And I find that's why womenavoid it sometimes.
Cause they don't know that's bromarketing.
Well, and I think one of thethings that I've seen in, uh, I,
I don't know, femme marketing?
Yeah, I don't know.
One of the things I've seen infemme marketing is too loose,
too loosey goosey, too all overthe place, too oh, just flow.
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And I'm here to be an advocatefor, yes, we want the river to
flow, but it flows between thebanks.
right?
The only way the river can flowis if there's banks to
metaphorically as well asliterally, right?
And the banks are really thestructure that allows the river
to be generative.
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So I think that it's importantto not throw the baby out with
the bath water on either side.
And instead to look at how doesit work best for me?
How does it work best for me?
And when I first started doingsales, I learned from a guy.
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I learned from a guy.
And he was very clear about youdon't give them the price until
you've done it.
whether or not you even want towork with them.
Okay?
Because just because I put aprice out there doesn't mean,
especially if you're workingwith people intimately, doesn't
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mean that you actually want towork with that person.
So the price can be a Guardrail,let's put it that way.
It can be a guardrail thatallows you as the business owner
to be discerning in the salesconversation about whether or
not there's an energetic fit,whether there's a mindset fit,
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whether there's a, uh, anenthusiasm fit with whoever it
is that you're talking to.
And so, I think that it'simportant to remember that
pricing and how and when youdeliver pricing can be a
beneficial boundary iftransmitted correctly.
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Okay?
So I think part of it is in thetransmission.
If the person on the other endof the line who's in a sales
conversation with you isTransmitting desperation, you
can feel it if they'retransmitting superiority, like
I'm better and, I'm notinterested in talking down, if
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they're talking down to you,that's, that you can feel that,
so I think it's a little bitmore nuanced than, Give the
price or don't give the price.
Oh, for sure.
I was just giving an example ofif you don't feel comfortable
with a certain type, like whatdoes that feel like for you?
Cause you can still sell and youcan still do these things in a
way that feels good for you.
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For instance, like thetraditional PT marketing would
be like, Barge into a doctor'soffice, give them buy, spend all
this money and buy all this foodfor them for lunch.
And then you're just waiting forthem to pay attention to you.
And I'm like, I'm not doingthat.
Like I'm not selling myself inthat.
So that's uncomfortable for me.
What feels better is to connectwith them via maybe like a
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social media and then be like,Hey, do we connect?
And if they want to meet then.
We can grab coffee or whateverit is that has grown my business
substantially.
The other way just felt likewalking into somebody's home and
begging for their attention.
And that did not align with me.
But I agree with what you'resaying is it's my whole thing
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was more of yeah, this betweenthis hyper masculine and then
hyper feminine, like both peoplecan be in the, or you can be in
this.
A little bit of both one andnot.
Let it control what you do in away that doesn't serve you.
And so I like for peoplelistening, so some people may
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not be aware of what you'remeaning by masculine and
feminine.
I think a lot of people justthink men and women, but there's
so much more energetically thatgoes with the masculine energy
and the feminine energy.
Can you dive in a little bit tothat.
And, I think all definitions.
At the end of the day end upbeing transcended by what's
actually happening in themoment.
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So for me, highly masculine ormasculine energy is more rigid.
It's more structured.
It's more like I spent 20 yearsin the real estate business and.
Uh, at the end with that projectthat I did with two male
partners, I was handling themoney piece.
So literally I was putting zerosand ones in boxes.
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I was putting, everything wasgoing into a box.
It was all being structured andit's logical and it's rational
and it's, everything can at itsextreme, it's like just steel
and gray and no beauty.
There's no beauty.
It's all, Rigid and lines andsquares, right?
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The more feminine is You know,brained, it's holistic, it's
multidimensional, it's colorful,it's creative.
But, I have friends who, if Ishare a hotel room with them, it
literally looks like anexplosion happened when I walk
in the door.
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Because they're so flowy.
Their clothes are all over theplace and, their suitcases
exploded.
And I think that there is aplace in between where we can
bring in the structure and thefluidity, just like I was saying
about the river and the banks,where we can bring in the
structure and the fluidity for,to create something, a third way
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that is more alive.
And if we're going to talk aboutthe body's only purpose is to be
alive.
The body wants to be alive.
So if the body is spending toomuch time in rigidity, it's
going to be You know, it's goingto start dying.
The cells are like, Oh, we'renot moving.
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We're not going anywhere.
We're just going to start dying.
And if the body is spending toomuch time in total flow, we have
skin for a reason, right?
We have skin to keep part partsof our muscles and our veins and
all that stuff in.
So I think that the body is abeautiful metaphor for where we
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can build our businesses and ourlives where it's this beautiful
blend, right?
I like to think about the cellwall, right?
The cell wall is a boundary, butit's a fluid boundary, right?
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The wall of the cell allows somethings in and keeps other things
out.
And so I want to build mybusiness.
I want to serve my clients.
I want to help them build theirbusinesses in ways that are
beautiful unification wherethere's an aliveness.
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No, I love that.
I think.
But yeah, there's such a blend.
That's why you see so manycreatives unable to build
businesses.
There has to be structure, therehas to be some form of a sale.
Showing who you are and seeingif that aligns with that person.
And so if we stay more in that,I see this a lot in health and
wellness and artists and music.
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And then you see we've alreadytalked about like real estate
and say software sales and allthat stuff tends to be hyper
masculine.
And so just the two of thosetogether are needed.
And so I.
I think that we don't thinkabout business.
In a way that serves ussometimes, for instance, like
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female business owners And forsome reason they think they have
to take.
Every single client and dealwith a lot.
They deal with a lot of abuse.
There are certain types ofpeople that if they talk to our
front desk a certain way, I'mlike, Hey, there's another
facility down the street.
Cause there needs to be mutualrespect.
And there's this been thissaying of the customer's always
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right.
Which I think is bullshitbecause I'm not going to take.
blatant disrespect becauseyou're a paying customer.
Cause I'm going to have to,first of all, if we're even
thinking of it from a logisticalstandpoint, I'm going to have to
take the money that I got fromthat client and go to therapy.
So that takes probably have topay for extra therapy for your
team too.
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You aren't, you're that's alosing proposition right there.
It is, but you're not taughtthat in these hyper masculine,
they're like just get the money.
Like it's a transaction.
What's the profit.
And I'm like, Well, well now I'mdrained for the next client who
actually needs me.
And so we've done that.
It was, we rebranded our clinicand just be like, who is right.
And who's aligned with us.
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They will come.
And we just continue to do whatwe're doing.
But I think that's a bigmisunderstanding too, is I'm
going to have to deal with moreshit.
And if you line it up, can, youget to choose, right?
And this goes back to the beliefthat we have to do it the man
way.
You know what I mean?
This goes back to the beliefthat we aren't actually
permitted to create our ownreality.
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And I'm here to tell you you'repermitted to create your own
reality.
I actually have a list of fiveways that women are warding off
a wealthy life and.
And how we can change that is toflip these things.
So if you're worrying, worryingis one of the five ways that we
ward off wealth.
If you're worrying that if Idon't do it X way, then I'm not
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going to make money.
If you're worrying, I'm, if Idon't do it, if I don't take
these people, even though theydrain me, that then that's
what's going to happen, right?
Whatever you're worrying about,you're going to bring about.
Uh, and if you're worrying aboutmaking enough money, then you're
going to bring about thecircumstances where you're not
making enough money.
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So that's one of the ways thatwe ward off wealth.
The second way that we ward offwealth is by withdrawing.
And that's like having the bigvision, getting the calling, but
being stuck in your pelvic bowl,not moving.
You know what I mean?
You're pulled back, your energyis withdrawn, it is held in, and
many women have been traumatizedby the culture, never mind our
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own family backgrounds orwhatever, life experiences, to
be withdrawn, to shrinkourselves, to hide ourselves,
to, collapse in on ourselves.
And if you're withdrawn, theworld can't, the world can't
give you what is here for you totake if you'd like it.
or to receive if you'd like it.
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The third way that we ward offwealth is by waffling.
So if there's a decision to bemade and we are unable to make
that decision, We're not, again,it's the not moving, it's the
not moving, not making thedecision, being stuck in this
place of indecision.
And I like to use the example ofif, let's say you're at a, an
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entrepreneurial event, and youhear the speaker and the
speaker's sharing something thatis going to make all the
difference in your business.
And they say, Oh, it's 10, 000.
And then you go to the ladiesroom while they're, Processing
all those other people that arepaying the 10, 000 and your best
friend sends you a text thatsays, you know that trip to the
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Mediterranean we've been lookingat for years?
It's finally on sale for 10,000.
And now you have the cruise shipor the entrepreneurship.
The cruise ship or theentrepreneurship.
And both ships sail when you'rewaffling and not making a
decision.
So, the fourth way that we wardoff wealth is by whining.
And many times women do thisover wine.
which lowers your consciousnessand puts you in an environment
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where other women are colludingwith what you're whining about.
And that's not going to createany positive forward momentum.
This is where we call itswamping.
Another thing we could call itis swamping, where it's just
polluting with the sob stories.
That's too far on the feminineside, I think.
And you're not going to, it'snot going to be productive.
You're not actually going to getout of it other than off gassing
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some emotions.
You're not really going to shiftyour reality by whining.
And then the last one is waitingon, and I did this all the time
at the beginning of my personaldevelopment career.
I would wait on everybody elsefor, no pay, initially, for no
pay.
I was running around waiting oneveryone because I was so
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excited by what I, my calling, Iwas so excited by my calling and
I was so excited by what hadhappened for me that I wanted
everyone to be having the sameexperience and if people aren't
paying for it they're not goingto actually get the benefit.
Of it.
I'm not going to value it.
Yeah, that's right.
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That's right.
I think so much of our health isdictated by the people around
us.
And so if you're surroundingyourself, just if you're
listening right now, and you'relike, man, I, uh, I did all the
things I was supposed to do.
Maybe I had, I got married, Ihad the kids, I got the job, I
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have the house.
Why am I not happy?
Well, we've all right.
Like we've sat there and we'relike, this is what we've been
told and it's not working.
And then you might be sick.
You might be in pain andwondering, well, now my body is
giving too.
And it's the if we, what arethe, what's that saying?
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If you have five friends andyou're the sixth person and five
are millionaires, you'll beeventually be one.
And the point of that is justyou are, you hang out with, so
if you hang out with a bunch ofpeople that hate their jobs,
that binge drink, that want togossip and talk shit about other
people, that's stagnation.
That's that swamping.
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They have been trained by oursociety that's the behavior
that's the behavior.
But, look at anybody who's been.
20 years whining and, just yearover year.
We're here at the beginning of anew year.
Has anything changed for thatperson that you've been
listening to whine for the lastyear or the last two years or
the last three years?
My mother was a whiner.
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She was a horrible whiner.
Eventually, I had to say, no, Ican't do this with you.
I can't do this with you.
If you're going to call and talkto me, I want to hear something
good.
And if you can't say somethinggood, don't call me, a hard
thing to do to your mother withyour mother.
I needed to make sure that I waswell and listening to her
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bitching and moaning and whiningabout everything wasn't helping.
It wasn't doing anything for anyof us.
Yeah.
I mean, I think there's abalance in my experience of
okay, feeling your emotions,right?
Feeling them processing the,when you start marinating in it,
that's.
That's okay, we've got to moveforward because there you can,
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there's places for this.
This is why you hire a mentor ora coach.
This is why you hire a healthprofessional.
If you have an issue with yourpelvic bowl, go see Dr.
Mary and explain to Dr.
Mary what's going on and Dr.
Mary is there to give you asolution to support you to find
your way out of what you have acomplaint about.
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I'm not saying that we can'tcomplain ever, but.
Marinating in it, but dosomething, take out, do
something, take some action.
And that's why people hire mebecause you can bitch and moan
about, Oh, I don't have anyclients or I'm not making enough
money or I, the, blah, blah,whatever it is, I'm not getting
any clients.
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I'm trying to charge 250 for 10clients.
Cause that's what the coachestold me.
And I was like, yeah no, that'snot going to work for you.
So yes, there are places andspaces where we can bring the
complaint.
I am not by any stretch of theimagination saying ghost, what
is it?
It's not ghosting.
It's gaslight.
Don't gaslight yourself.
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Don't be in denial.
Don't being in denial is worsethan constantly complaining, I
think, because being in denial,you're just completely
suppressing everything.
But know that if you have acomplaint, That is something
valid that needs to haveattention.
It doesn't need to have anaudience.
There's a difference.
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Yeah.
No, there's a massivedifference.
I agree., I had a hard fewweeks, a few weeks ago with just
some changes and I was.
Just really down in the dumps.
And I was like, allowing myselfto feel it.
I was trying to judge myself andbe like, just move through it.
Just, you can't get over this.
And it's no, I'm going to feelthis.
I'm going to move through it.
I'm going to allow my body toprocess it.
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So that way it doesn't pop uplater, cause there's also like
emotional suppression too, butexactly.
There's a goal.
Seek help, move through it.
And try not to be stagnant.
And one of the things that I'venoticed a lot is it's around 45
to 55 type a women that I seedealing with chronic pelvic
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pain, gut issues.
A variety of stuff.
And I find, I haven't everlooked up research on this, but
I do think something, as you gothrough perimenopause, your
estrogen starts lowering andyour progesterone.
So I think.
When we start doing that, ournervous systems are more
hypersensitive to, to things andwe become less tolerant to BS.
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And but then there's like withinwhat do we do right now?
And so then they have the goldenhandcuffs, right?
So they're stuck at this highpaying job.
So, and they're having all thesehealth issues.
And maybe, these othercorporations aren't hiring,
which is, a big thing.
And they have all this stuff topay for their kids, right?
And then they're stuck.
What would you say to thatperson right now?
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That person, I would say there'stwo ways to go.
You could go the way I did,which I took a flying leap.
I just was like, I'm done.
I'm done.
I'm outta here.
I don't care.
I don't care if I end up with nomoney.
I don't care.
'cause I can't do this anymore.
Not for one freaking second.
So when I left real estate, Iknew I was going to die if I
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stayed another minute and I justleft.
And I learned that.
I learned in the leaving that Idid have a safety net.
I learned in the leaving that Idid have wings when I took the
flying leap.
I learned how to say no topeople.
I learned how to haveboundaries.
I learned how to prioritize myhealth.
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I learned how to generate moneymy way.
I learned a lot of things bytaking a flying leap.
So you can do it that way.
Or, you can lay one flagstone onthe bridge and just start making
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moves in the direction of whatyou actually want to create for
a life because the clock isticking and it's not going to be
better five years from now orten years from now.
Number one, your health is nonnegotiable.
Health is non negotiable.
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Start with your health.
One, do one thing.
Start with your health.
If you have a calling to dosomething, one of the things
that I help a lot of women do, Ihave my own podcast, Wickedly
Smart Women.
I have a little roadmap forwomen in corporate who are ready
to think about getting startedin a consultancy business.
(42:02):
Understand, if you're in thegolden handcuff stage, you
actually have a ton of valuethat you don't even know that
you have that could be.
monetized probably exponentiallymore than what you're doing now.
And you can design a businessthat gives you the kind of
freedom that you're looking for.
So I'm here to say that thereare ways out either take the
(42:26):
flying leap and be done becauseit's only you, this is your
life.
This is your life.
You know what I mean?
Or lay one flagstone and thatmay mean You know, getting my
roadmap, it may mean calling Dr.
Mary, it may mean, getting tothe root cause of what's going
(42:47):
on with your pelvic floor,right?
I had pelvic floor work at onepoint, shamanic pelvic floor
work, many years ago.
And in my pelvic floor work,what came out was I had a
remembrance of a traumasituation And it was Trauma from
childhood that was still livingin my pelvic floor and it was as
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a result of getting that workthat came to the surface and
could be released So that Icould get rid of the claw of
pain that was around my sacrallike literally I would sit down
and it would Be like the claw ofpain.
I could almost imagine it waslike, like a chicken claw Like
attached to my sacrum.
(43:32):
It was horrible incrediblypainful so that's what I would
say.
I would say either jump andtrust that you're never going to
be better than you are right nowat being able to make the shift.
You're never going to have moreenergy than you have right now
at being able to make the shiftor lay one flagstone on that
bridge one of the two and gethelp be willing to take the
(43:56):
money out of whatever applestock and put it in to you stock
Put it in you, Stock.
I, yeah, so much of the fear ofmoney and like when you actually
look at your assets and you lookat these different things,
obviously there's a variety ofdifferent things that people are
even unaware of.
Hey, how can I leverage?
(44:17):
Like for me, I bought a home,made a bunch of equity.
I was able to use home equity.
To then put my money into myselfto heal these inner wounds,
these inner traumas, to travel,to get these different
experiences.
And so then when I do make themoney, I pay it off, and so you
can leverage different thingsthat you may not even be aware
that you can leverage as well.
(44:38):
And yeah, so much trauma isstored in the pelvis.
To and wherever you need tostart, whether it's working
with, a coach like yourself,whether it's a pelvic floor,
physical therapist, or workingwith a psychotherapist, I'm a
big advocate for psychedelictherapy and helping people go
inward and understand theirsubconscious beliefs that
they're not even aware of.
(45:00):
And so I think that's, I mean,it's just, it's spot on.
And I think that.
So many people, women just don'tbelieve that this is possible,
but you have one life to live.
And the way that I thought aboutit, when I left corporate was
every time, every day I'd gointo work at corporate, I go,
damn, this could have been oneday I invested in myself.
(45:22):
And every day I kept saying thatto myself and I was like, Okay.
Okay.
And sometimes I find that I'lleven just put it out in the
universe and give me a sign.
Cause I needed a sign.
I couldn't do the leap.
I needed a sign.
I need a softer, and one day wemerged with a massive corporate
hospital and I go peace out.
Like I, that's it.
That's it because that's it.
(45:43):
And so I had a clear thing Iasked and I got the answer.
So sometimes it can be evensofter.
I think at least in myexperience of show me, and then
we can start being more visualand observant of these
opportunities that are right infront of our face.
Sometimes they're even in yournetwork that you just, you
haven't even tapped into yet.
And so there's magic everywhere.
I just think that people justdon't.
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See it.
And so just to summarize what wetalked about is, correlating the
stress of work and trying to fitinto positions or maybe work,
positions that we don't fit intohow to balance the masculine and
feminine energy.
So we can.
Live in between both how to workon yourself.
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So that way, your health orwhatever it is to get you to the
next, that next level.
And then like you're, you weresaying with the thieves, right?
Like the different areas ofwealth.
So our health relationships, thefinancial aspect.
And where are you stealing from?
Like really look at where areyou stealing from?
Yeah.
Those are all currencies.
(46:48):
Yeah.
And so, yeah.
So looking at all that, ifyou're struggling, start really
listening to yourself andsaying, what am I suppressing?
Where do I want to be and whatdo I want to do?
And so how can they reach you?
And if you want to talk about, Iknow you mentioned a few things
in there prior for the roadmapchecklist, if you want to let
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them know how they can reachyou.
Yeah, beautiful.
Well, you can definitely tuneinto my podcast, Wickedly Smart
Women.
At, uh, you can go right towickedlysmartwomen.
com, and we also have theroadmap there, which is 10 signs
that it's time for a highachieving woman to leave
corporate and start her ownconsulting before it's too late.
(47:33):
And the roadmap is availableright there at
wickedlysmartwomen.
com, or you can go to roadmap.
wickedlysmartwomen.
com.
It'll take you to the sameplace.
So.
I thank you so much for havingme today, Mary.
I'm looking forward to actuallyhaving you on week next week.
I'm really excited.
I love these unconventionalapproaches to health of tying.
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This is the stuff that peopledon't talk about in healthcare
and blending, modern medicine,which can be beautiful, but it's
not the answer to everything.
And so thank you so much.
And until next time, we'll talkto you guys.
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