September 9, 2025 • 48 mins
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Dave Abelow's love affair with Volkswagen Beetles began in middle school when a friend's family rolled into Connecticut from California in a stunning black oval-window Bug with red interior. What started as teenage infatuation evolved into a seven-Beetle odyssey spanning five decades, including the remarkable transformation of his WWII veteran father from VW skeptic to devoted owner during the 1973 oil embargo.
As co-founder of Connecticut's Small Car Company club (named after the legendary VW dealership), Dave has spent 11 years building a community that's "more about friendship and camaraderie" than Robert's Rules of Order. His current ride? A fire-breathing 1972 Super Beetle pushing 200 horsepower – proof that these humble cars can pack serious surprises.
Listen to Dave's favorite episode with fellow Connecticut air-cooled car enthusiast and past guest, Guinevere Freccia - https://buzzsprout.com/admin/2316026/episodes/16886205-air-cooled-and-carefree-guinevere-s-vw-beetle-tales-and-family-restoration-traditions
Beyond the garage, Dave's "Mentors and Motors" program bridges the gap between talented technical students and restoration shops desperate for skilled workers. He shares the story of spotting raw talent in a young tech student who could both wrench and sketch an Audi TT from memory – now working at a premier restoration shop.
From driving his father's '73 Beetle as their wedding getaway car to displaying a vintage Small Car Company deck lid as wall art in his office, Dave demonstrates how air-cooled Volkswagens aren't just transportation – they're threads that weave families, friendships, and futures together. His philosophy? It's about "people as much as it is about the cars."
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
to all the cars I've loved before.
Listener land.
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Speaker 2 (01:07):
You did a great job yeah.
I did a great job massacring it.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It is my favorite city, to say now, maybe my
favorite city where we're hurt,and Iceland popped up on the map
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I think Iceland is new Swedenhad been around for a bit.
If you're an old Volvo mechanicwho wants to get on the show,
please, in Sweden, let us knowit's easy or a Saab mechanic.
(01:31):
Yeah, we're trying to getsomebody on the show who's a
huge Saab person.
I don't know where we are onthat, but we're always
prospecting for guests.
But if you'd like to be on theshow, it's easy.
I'm going to tell you how.
Christian at carslovecom.
Doug at carslovecom.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Let's see.
Or you can go to our link treeand there is a link.
Do you want to be our guest?
So?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
easy and let me spell it out for you L-I-N-K-T-R dot
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That's a great littleswitchboard.
Doug's been working on that.
It took a quantum leap forwardover the past week because we
want to make it easy.
We want to meet everybody wherethey're at.
So if you're a social mediajunkie, you can catch us on
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Facebook.
What else?
Instagram, instagram we're nowon YouTube, effectively the
second largest search engine inthe world.
We're posting content.
You'll see nuggets and snippets.
So the way that you know, as westudy the industry, the way
that we can keep posting on aregular cadence, is to slice and
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dice a lot of the hours andhours, dozens of hours of
content that we have right now,and so you'll see these snippets
getting spun off, and thathelps us remain publishing along
these different vectors.
Where else, doug, did I getthem all?
Carslovecom People listen to uson the site player, which I
(02:59):
never would have thoughtinitially.
Where else?
What are we missing?
Anything further on how to geta hold of us?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think our link tree Say it for us L-I-N-K-T-R dot
E-E slash carslovedcom.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
No, not com silly oh yeah, sorry I said it wrong.
Get rid of the comL-I-N-K-T-R-E-E slash carslogged
New spot on the show.
Well, okay, I'm going to callit.
Remember the old You've GotMail?
You remember the old You've GotMail, that poor fella just
passed away who actually was thevoice of that.
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I'm going to get his name bythe end of the show.
We'll toss that in.
But instead of you got mail, howabout we got notice?
We got notice Getting a littlestreet cred by a trade rag
called Feedspot.
This piece was called the bestcar podcast on the planet.
Which you might say what planet?
But that's Earth.
We're not at Mars yet, by theway.
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It takes six months to getthere.
They don't tell you that.
They don't tell you that whenyou're booking it on Expedia.
So we were number 37 out of 70,all right, which puts us right
in the middle of the pack,middle of the bell curve, you
know.
So, yeah, this is good, this isgood information getting
noticed.
So, again, the downloads havereally amplified.
(04:23):
Now throw a little kudos to mypartner.
The continual nuggetizing ofour content and spitting it off
has.
We're really seeing that in thenumbers.
So thanks for doing that.
And what do you think aboutthis show?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
It's a great way to.
If somebody doesn't have 30minutes or 45 minutes, it's a
great way to for them to scrollthrough, find something that
might be especially somethingfunny.
That's what we're we're pullingthose soundbites that are that
are funny or interesting, and itwill get somebody's attention
and hopefully they'll listen tothe whole episode when they get
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time.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, yeah, and maybe the two dozen media consultants
that we just hired are startingto pay off.
So anything else on the bestpodcast on the planet, piece Any
thoughts around that?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
No, we're just going to keep podcasting and keep
listening, hopefully keepgetting noticed.
Yeah, the one thing we'd ask isgive us a review, if you can,
on Apple Podcasts.
If you can't, pick your podcastsite of choice or send us a
note, tell us what you think.
If you have a friend who wantsto be on the podcast or who you
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think would be great on thepodcast, let us know.
If there's a couple husband andwife, father-son,
father-daughter, mother,daughter, son and third cousin,
fourth cousin, fifth- cousin,sixth cousin, Well yeah.
Cousin once removed.
Yeah, we'd love, we'd love tohave groups.
We've had some great, greatinterviews in the last several
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weeks.
There are so many I can't evenbegin to talk about Some with
Automotive Tech College that Ilearned about from PBS NewsHour.
Can't wait to get those out.
But that, I think, takes us totoday.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Doug is a segue machine, beautifully stated.
Let's pick that up off thefloor, dust it off.
And I want to offer to thelistening audience here listener
land.
We're starting to get reviewson Apple Podcasts, so I didn't
think we would get that soquickly.
Some kind words.
A lot of them say for Christianto lay off the coffee.
(06:39):
I don't even know what theymean, but please let us know.
Always feel free, free to emailus, but give us a review,
especially if you have kindwords.
And yeah, I will hand the batonback to doug because I think we
have a great guest today yeah,um, thank you, christian.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, so our guest today, um, comes to us via
another guest, guinevere, who ison an upcoming episode, or
future or previous episode,depending on when you're
listening to this one and we'regoing to talk all about air
cooled cars today, specificallyVolkswagens, where our guest
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Dave.
I'm going to let Dave introducehimself.
That's where he started andit's a love of his through today
and there's a lot of tie-ins tohis personal life and how he's
given back.
But, dave, if you want tointroduce yourself, Thanks Doug,
Thanks Christian.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
My name's Dave.
I am a lifelong air-cooledenthusiast and have owned
multiple air-cooled Volkswagensthroughout my existence.
Club in the Connecticut areacalled Small Car Company, which
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is a little bit different from alot of clubs, and I'd like to
say that the minute we have duesand minutes and Robert's rules
of parliamentary procedure iswhen I quit.
So we've grown organically.
As I said, it's enthusiasts.
(08:38):
You see someone on the roaddriving a vintage Porsche or 911
or a 356, 914, or a Volkswagen,a bus, a Beetle, a Karmann Ghia
.
You all begin to get torecognize each other and get to
know each other.
We begin to get to recognizeeach other and get to know each
other and 11 years ago aneighbor of mine who was also an
air-cooled guy named Tom, wesaid hey, you know, look, we've
got a couple of names of peoplewe know.
Let's just get together forbreakfast, let's get together on
(09:01):
a Saturday or a Sunday, Just gofor a drive, Just hang out.
Just go for a drive, just hangout, just talk cars.
Well, one thing led to another,After a couple of those
wonderful, informal, completelyimpromptu, unplanned and rallies
where most of our time wasfiguring out how lost we were,
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but never without a smile.
I woke up one morning and saidyou know what?
But never without a smile.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
You know, I woke up one morning and said you know
what this could be a club.
Now wait, how long did thattake?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
How long did that take before you kind of met?
I would say it fermentedthroughout a summer and then
kind of the winter passage whenwe weren't driving Throughout a
summer and then kind of thewinter passage when we weren't
driving.
I sort of began to put thatwhole sort of world together.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You said I miss these guys.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I miss these guys.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, so just a few months, so that's relatively
quick.
Sorry, I didn't mean tointerrupt, please continue Love
the story Love the story.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
But I think the other essence of the club is you know
, how do you keep these obsoletecars on the road?
And I don't think that's acondition or a problem.
That's particularly true justonly for Volkswagen and Porsche.
It's all these obsolete cars.
You talk to people hey, do youknow I'm having this trouble.
Do you know a source?
What about this part?
Do you know someone who coulddo this and do that?
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So the club was more than justlet's get together and drive or
admire these cars.
It was a support system forkeeping cars on the road.
And then, you know, deepfriendships really would develop
along the way and we werealways a kind of family oriented
wives, kids and love that.
(10:47):
So the whole path of having aclub that yes, it's centered on
a mutual interest, but it wasreally more about friendship and
camaraderie in the end.
And that was.
We just had our 11thanniversary and we've been doing
an annual show which is kind ofan all air cooled gathering.
(11:10):
We've had everything fromIsetta's and Crosby's Amazing,
some of them very rare cars comefrom miles away and we gather
at Veterans Green in downtownWestport, connecticut, and
(11:30):
celebrate all things air-cooledonce a year.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I love it Okay, so 11 years you've been doing that,
and is this kind of an annualshow that?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
you do.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
The show is annual, but throughout the year we're
doing rallies, drives and othercharitable events which have
been stick you in the way backmachine and we go back to your
first car and we talk and thinkabout how it all started.
I have to tell listener landthat you have the neatest wall
set up here so I can see what's.
You know, I'm very, I'm a verynosy person and I like to see
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people in their element, right.
So I can see Dave over thisvideo conference and over his
right shoulder he has the decklid to one of his beloved VWs,
or maybe it even predated you,right?
And it's backlit.
Yeah, it's sort of backlit.
It's a beautiful thing here andI wish everybody could see it,
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but you know.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
There's a great story behind that that Dave told us.
Maybe you could tell theaudience real quick, Dave, about
the story and the tie-in to thesmall car company, the original
.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Well, I think it's one of those, for me,
meant-to-be kind of things.
Love it.
It really unfolded like thisand I appreciate, christian,
what you're saying, that it wasa, you know, it's a deck lid.
It's a piece of art in and ofitself but hung on a wall and
backlit yes, piece of art in andof itself, but hung on a wall
and back, yes, and you probablycan't see it.
But there's also the licenseplate frame and there's a decal
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that say the small car companyon it.
I can, and therein lies thestory that Doug mentioned.
So in that winter fermentationwhere we've said let's make this
a club, got to come up with aname, and I said well to my
friend Tom, let's call it theSmall Car Company, because we
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live in a town where theprobably back in the day, the
Small Car Company, which wetipped the hat to as the name of
our club, was the largestair-cooled VW dealer in the
country for a while, I thinkthey came to be in the 50s and
folded tents as a car dealershipin the late 70s.
(14:14):
And one thing led to another.
When we decided to have ourfirst car show at probably our
second year of existence as aclub, we contacted the property
owner who was renting the space,that then the back in the day
dealership, the small carcompany that was their original
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headquarters, their dealership.
It was oh, the property wasowned by a restoration shop,
local restoration shop.
They said, hey, great, you know, you can use my parking lot,
you can use my showroom, you canset up coffee, you can do
whatever you want.
And it was a really fun event.
We had a great turnout and Iwas just saying to Doug that
(14:58):
sometime at some point duringthe show, when we had about 50
cars, I looked around and said,my goodness, this is more air
cooled cars on this parking lottoday than there've been years.
Yeah, the end of the show wewere sort of we were cleaning up
and the fellow who had lent usthe space came out from the back
.
He said I knew I could findthis, I've been meaning to look
(15:21):
for it.
Someone said it was under thepile of trash and you know, he
came out and he was holding thisdeck lit and it had the small
car company decal and licenseplate on it and he said here
it's yours, oh man.
So it was a, you know, a funaffirmation of what was
(15:42):
beginning to happen and,obviously, something that you
know didn't become a lightfixture and uh office right away
it went to the corner of mygarage for about eight years.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Right, it went from the corner of their garage to
the corner of your garage.
And then, I'm sure, years later, and okay, doug, doug wants to
strangle me because he wants togo on to the, to the talk
through the, but remind, theair-cooled show that I went to
down here in Pensacola Calledthe Rare.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Air Show.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
It was so good, oh my gosh, and I gave out a bunch of
cards that I haven't heard from.
But they have.
The your deck lid reminded meof all the parts for sale door
handles, dashboard pieces, lidsof every stripe and size, just
(16:32):
with masking tape and a littleprice on them.
So wonderful, anyway.
Okay, let's go way back to whenyou were a young man, because
it all had to start somewhere.
Dave, where do you want to kickit off?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You know, preparing to meet you gentlemen, I began
and was asked to think about allof that, which I hadn't for a
long time and that was a realpleasure.
And it's a very simple story.
When I was in middle school,probably seventh or eighth grade
, in Connecticut and you know,coming from a family that had a
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Chevy and my neighbor had a Fordthere were very few foreign
cars around who became a friendin seventh or eighth grade had
just been, his family had justcome in from California and they
, the parents, were very kind ofstylish couple that you know,
(17:32):
tall and tan and playing tennisall the time, and they drove a
oval era, mid fifties a beetle,beautiful black paint with a
beautiful red interior, and Ilove with the car.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Sounds beautiful.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Can't you know, I can't explain the why or how.
Just it was love at first sight.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, I can see it in my mind's eye.
From your description I can seethe car Beautiful.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Iconic.
Yeah and um, you know, as, as Igot a little bit older and went
finished high school, went onto college in massachusetts, I
was in need of a, a car to beginto commute and take on my first
serious summer job.
And um, I went to the small carcompany in connecticut, in
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Westport, to look for a used carand found the perfect candidate
, which was a 1969 VW Beetle inreasonable shape, reasonable
price.
And as I went out, as I wasabout to test drive it, the
salesman said and, by the way,this was owned by a Connecticut
(18:47):
tech student, norwalk techstudent in the next town, who
knew a little something abouthot rodding Volkswagens, so it
might feel a little differentthan what you're used to.
And it was.
It was mildly hot rodded,probably raised compression and
a couple of other bolt-on typesof things, and it was a great
(19:11):
car.
I just drove the heck out ofthat car and loved every second
of it and, without getting toowordy about the whole thing, it
was also an opportunity to beginto learn to wrench on my own
projects yeah, yeah and maintainthe car.
And I found that I absolutelyloved that process as much as I
(19:37):
loved the car itself and hadthat car for years and went on
to own a 73 standard Beetle, a66 Beetle convertible and a 72
Super Beetle, which I currentlyhave.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
So you have a type.
We could say you have a type.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I would say so.
That's a very accuratestatement.
Good reporting, yeah yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
So, and then, early on, let me squeeze in here real
quick, partner.
Uh, one of the things that youyou had mentioned earlier that I
thought was I just want totease it out a little bit one of
the things that you really loveabout these automobiles in
general, okay, is being able todrive forever on five dollars
worth of gas.
(20:28):
Love that and, uh, fewer timesat the line during the gas
embargo.
And for our younger listenlisteners very real, very, very
real thing, if you're like thatwas a real part of the early
experience.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Um, the gas embargo hit very heavily and, um, you
know the ability to.
You know what was, what was it?
What is it?
A 10, 10 and a half gallon tankof gas would just take me
anywhere I wanted to go without,you know, being crushed by the
experience of being on lines or,you know, worried about getting
(21:04):
stuck.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, yeah I.
I read somewhere that, if you,you would look at your license
plate and if the last number wasodd, or even, you would go on a
different.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Is that true?
It's definitely true, and itcombined with a $3 limit when it
got really bad.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Oh, I didn't even know of that.
A limit, wow, okay, okay ofthat.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah, a limit, wow, okay, okay, the three dollars
family.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Uh chevy station wagon went a little differently
you're reading my mind, that wasthe next thing I was gonna say.
Is your, your, as they say,your mileage may vary.
Sorry, doug, I did, I didn'tmean to interrupt.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
We got all these questions man no, I'm glad you
mentioned it.
I think think the oil embargostarted in 1973, was it?
Yes?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, that was the year I was born, so I knew there
was some significance there.
One was going with my thengirlfriend, who is now my wife
of over 40 years, on a ski tripto southern Vermont and it
snowed and at the bottom of theaccess road to the ski mountain
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were all these cars thatcouldn't get up the mountain,
the access road, and I said Ithink we can do it.
And I said I, I think we can doit, and the you know I had snow
tires but the combination ofthe weight displaced or or
transfer the back, the engineover the rear transaxle, all of
that, um, you know the littleengine that could made so good
(22:50):
but I think um guinevere told usthere was a I think it was her
that there was a volkswagen adand it said what you know?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
what car does the snowplow driver own?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
those were the iconic ads by uh, I guess it was a
significant Madison Avenue adagency.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, you know they.
They were all black and white,beautifully photographed with
these wonderful taglines.
They're quite collectible, ofcourse.
You probably saw them at yourswap meet in in in Florida.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
No, no, no, I had not seen that, but then I went
online boy, we're good.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
We said.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I think we saw some last night when we were talking
yeah, we did the top 10 mostmemorable votes volkswagen ads
ever created.
And boy, there are some goodones here.
Um yeah, brilliant, brilliant,sorry doug keep going.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
No, that's okay.
So, um, yeah, yeah.
So I'm glad we were able tobring up Volkswagen use in snow
and of course you know, beingair-cooled, how well they run in
the winter.
So how long did you have that?
First car for Dave?
First car for Dave.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I sold that car about a year after the oil embargo to
a local teacher because at thetime I was moving to New York
and didn't need a car.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Right, right.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Exactly, and what was also a very interesting
experience as a car owner ingeneral is that I didn't lose
that much money selling it, andbecause it just was running so
well it held up who knows howmany more miles could have been
(24:43):
put on it at the time that itwas being sold.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Do you recall how many miles approximately towards
the end of its time with youProbably 50,000 to 60,000 miles.
Okay, yeah, so it had a couplehundred thousand more in it, for
sure.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Easily.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, awesome.
And so you're in New York for awhile and then eventually you
got out right, finished, moved alittle south, at, at, at, when
my academics were happening innew york.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
At the same time, uh, there were summer jobs and I
was still in need oftransportation.
But but during this process ofme finding the 69 Volkswagen, my
father, who was a World War II,a decorated World War II
veteran, was very upset with me,couldn't understand why a son
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of his would buy a German car.
The simple logic was I riskedmy life to beat them and my
youthful response was yourgeneration did beat them and
that's why Wolfsburg would go onand make these incredible cars
(26:04):
that people like us can affordand buy and use them as
transportation.
What a reasoned response andtheir culture right well, you
know, at that at that time theculture thing wasn't as big to
me as the transportation thing,I sure I think it was beginning
to grow, certainly.
(26:24):
And so, long story short, myfather's 57 chevy wagon broke
and he said could I borrow yourcar?
And he did, and that was thelongest conversation we had had
for about two months Can Iborrow?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
your car Sure.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
And that weekend he went down to the small car
company and bought a 73, brandnew 73.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Volkswagen man.
Wow, it just took a weekendConvert.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
A convert.
Yeah, your small car was nextto what he was driving.
The big lanyards of the 50sJust couldn't be more different.
Couldn't be more different.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Well, and I think he understood it because, you know,
as someone who, as a veteranand someone who had been in
Europe and probably driven aJeep Totally driven a Jeep, a
small, maneuverable vehicle, andalso someone who understood
what it costs to make a wage andpay for gasoline it wasn't an
easy conversion.
(27:39):
I mean it was an easyconversion, not, wasn't.
And there he was.
So roll the camera forward.
I didn't need a car for a longtime.
He had that car.
He let me borrow it.
He was very generous with itwhen I needed it and when he
passed away, my mother saidshould I sell the Volkswagen?
(28:06):
It's running quite well.
And I was at that point takingcare of it.
And I said, yeah, you shouldsell it if you want to.
You know, use the money forsomething else.
And that weekend, when I sawher, she handed me an envelope
and it had the title to the carin it.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Oh man Love it.
How long did your dad have thatcar?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Love it.
How long did your dad have thatcar?
Oh, my goodness, I would sayabout 10 years.
Ok.
So my mother just said look,you know you took good care of
that car for your father and Ican't sell it.
Why did you take it?
And it became my daily driver?
(28:51):
It wasn't just, it wasn't, youknow.
To me I mean, I cherished itand I took good care of it and
all those things you do with abeloved vehicle, but it was my
it, my wife and I, when we were,when we were married, that was
our honeymoon getaway car.
I think there's a photo albumsomewhere with a just married oh
(29:18):
, got to dig up that picture.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Is there any way you could dig up that picture?
Yeah, I'll put that alltogether.
We got to see it, man.
We got to see it.
Yeah, love to see it.
Oh, my gosh, dave, all thesememories.
I did not want to interrupt youwhen you first mentioned, in
preparing for this show, we getthis with a lot of guests that
(29:40):
coming on the show and talkingabout these things.
A few people have used the wordcathartic Healing makes me
think of things I hadn't thoughtbefore, made me smile, made me
text my dad, a parent, a brotheror sister, and fact check hey,
(30:01):
where did this car come from?
Was it a Catalina?
Was it that?
So it's really.
We get that a lot.
It's one of the very happythings for the show and Doug
always says from the word goDoug's.
We're really a podcast aboutnostalgia, talking about people.
(30:39):
In fact, the branding of theshow ended up being the right
thing, but I originally wantedto call the podcast First Car,
second Car, third Car, and Dougbeing the marketing genius that
he is, he said that's thedumbest name ever.
I just bought CarsLovecom andthis was low, these many.
But okay, we got to move on.
(31:00):
We got to move on.
I want to talk about Dave,something that you had mentioned
.
You're obviously verythoughtful and all about
community with your club thatyou started, but could you tell
us a little about Mentors andMotors?
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Be glad to Mentors and Motors came about in 2017,
where I was sitting with my youknow, my founding partner, tom,
and we said you know, we'redoing these shows, we're doing
rallies, we have people from allreally spectrums.
(31:39):
I mean there were some at ashow that year.
I think we had two Rod EmeryPorsches which you're talking
about, probably cars that cost amillion dollars, golly, and you
know.
All very exciting and veryheady, but we were beginning to
recognize that the people weknew running the restoration
(32:01):
shops primarily we hadn't reallybegun to focus on dealers yet,
but we would go on to Everyonewas saying I can't find skilled
people.
My head mechanic is.
He's about to retire.
And talking to the people inour club, other clubs people
(32:25):
were saying, hey, you know thatguy who used to be able to do
the valve job on my flat sixPorsche engine.
He just retired.
What am I going to do?
So I started really thinkingabout this incredible talent
pool of kids in the state justlocally really in the state of
(32:46):
Connecticut who are studying tobe auto techs and wondering out
loud you know what percentage ofthese kids would be interested
in being trained or gettinginterested in general in
restoration, just the way we did, helping someone fix a car or
inheriting a car or buying aused car.
(33:08):
So you know, out of necessity, alot of people learn to fix
things that dealers didn't wantto fix and they found themselves
being self-educated asrestorers and through a process
of research and then you know,just sort of meeting people, was
able to meet probably thestrongest educator or instructor
(33:35):
in the state at the time, whowas the department head at the
Bullard Haven Technical Schoolin Bridgeport, which is part of
CTEC's Connecticut TechnicalEducation Career Systems,
learning that there were 10,000students in the state of
Connecticut studying autotechnology and this person, this
(33:59):
head of this department, likedthe idea of reaching out to
these kids and opening up doorsfor them and really a lot of the
you know a lot of the problemsthey were having with inner city
and kids of limited means isthey had never been told hey,
you have a green light to go andmake your way in the world and
(34:20):
meet people and, yeah,self-advancement things that, um
, we thought we could help teach, because we're not teaching
them the ins and outs of being amechanic, we're teaching them
about life and how to have, yeah, life skills, yeah.
So it was a marvelous experienceand I'll send you the picture
(34:42):
of it.
They said why don't you comenext week to meet the students
and, by the way, our classroomis a garage and here's the big
door Drive your car in.
So I grabbed my 72 Super Beetle, which is a very interesting
car because it's a200-horsepower Volkswagen.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
What Holy crap.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
interesting car because it's a 200 horsepower
volkswagen what holy crap withyou know, set up like a german
look car, with you know all thecustomized suspension.
It's sort of you know like youknow where I, where, I took it
to with that particular.
Yeah, I thought the kids wouldbe interested in that car
because, because it still is soprimitive, you could put it on a
(35:24):
lift, you could open up theengine bay, you could understand
all the systems of a car justalmost by looking at it because
of its simplicity and maybethat's, in the end, what was so
enduring for me.
But, um, it was a just afantastic day ended up spending.
You know, what was scheduled asa 45-minute appointment ended up
(35:47):
being a couple of hours kidshanging after school, and so the
mentors and motors just becamea manifestation of finding these
kids, talking to theinstructors, bringing them to
events, having them, hostingthem at our own events.
And just one little anecdote wehad an event last summer at the
(36:15):
Malcolm Prey Foundation inBedford, new York.
Lily Prey and her father wasMalcolm Prey, was a Volkswagen
and Porsche dealer in Greenwichand they have a car museum and
they're all about education andwe had a marvelous group of
mentors.
We invite people that we know,and one particular fellow is the
(36:37):
owner of a significantrestoration shop and he was very
impressed by this one sophomorefrom K-Nar Tech, bethel,
connecticut, and that kid's nowworking at that shop.
He started cleaning parts.
And then you know, but I said,well, this fellow shop owner
(37:00):
said, bob, how did you recognizethis kid's talent?
I said I could just tell by theway he talked about.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Carmen.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
There was something there, and when I spoke to this
young man's instructor, theysaid oh yeah, so-and-so.
Not only does he, he's a greattech, you know, very intelligent
mind and gifted mechanically,he can draw.
(37:31):
If you say, draw a picture ofan Audi TT, you just get the
pencil out, draw a quick sketch.
Oh wow.
So he was an aesthetician aswell, which struck home for me
as an architect as somethingthat's a huge component.
So, mentors and motors movingforward.
(37:54):
You know there's a lot ofso-called STEM education,
science, technology, engineeringand math and we're going to put
the A in that and do some steamwork, with the A being art.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Not with a steam engine.
It won't be with steam, it willbe with gasoline.
Yes, air-cooled, air-cooled.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
So the whole mentors and motors program is really
steam.
It's science, technology,engineering, art and math.
And it's really about people asmuch as it is about the cars.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
When you said STEAM, I thought you were going to say
the A stood for automobiles,because anymore when you work on
an automobile you're working ona computer with wheels.
You know if you go into today'sjob market that's what they're
going to look for.
You have to be credentialed,you have to get certificates.
(38:52):
I can work on this sort ofsystem, this subsystem.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Modalities yeah, to quote one of our past guests.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah, these kids graduate with an ASE certificate
.
They're not.
That's it.
That's it.
Yeah, they're on the glide path.
Give them about eight yearsthey'll have their master
mechanic certification.
It's interesting, as a lot ofthem are being snapped up by the
(39:21):
aerospace companies.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Oh wow, because they have all the prerequisite skills
to be cross trained inaerospace.
That's an interesting littledetour, that's an interesting
detour.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah, wow, that that.
That is so beautiful.
Thank you for sharing that.
So, as we guide the podcast tothe off-ramp here, dave, I just
wanted to say that the mentorsand motor.
The thing that sticks out to meis that it allows for young
(39:57):
people to understand thatlearning is not a book.
To understand that learning isnot a book.
I feel like you get taught thatfrom a very young age and you
can rethink the formal structureof education as it sits, and
that's what you're doing, that'swhat you present to these young
folks, and I think that's justa wonderful thing.
And I tell you what partner.
(40:20):
I think we're running close ontime here and one of Dave's
problems is that he's sointeresting.
We knew we weren't going to getto it all in one podcast, so I
think we're going to have tohave you back, dave.
But could you tease just alittle bit some of the car
judging Now?
We've never had a car judge onbefore.
(40:41):
Concourse judge, concoursejudge, concourse judge.
Sorry, yeah, do you want todescribe?
Can you describe that in just amoment or two?
And I would like to have youback on a future episode to not
only talk about that.
But Doug and I have Now theclub that he has.
(41:03):
I would love to get up therefor one of his rallies and one
of his cruises.
Be a great opportunity for somevideo content.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Sorry, Dave Spring.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Absolutely.
I say we do it, I say we roadtrip to see Dave.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
But Dave tell us a little bit about the Concourse
Judging.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Well, I think you know, for me it was the
evolution of being in the carcommunity.
It wasn't something that I wokeup one day and said I really
want to aspire to this.
So it started, you know, like alot of things innocently, with
someone saying, hey, could youhelp out at this event?
And someone else saying, hey,oh, we have an air-cooled
(41:41):
section at the New EnglandConcourse, which was the first
one that I did.
Could you be the head judge forair-cooled?
And you know, I think I had animmediate case of imposter
syndrome and when someone'sgoing to tap you on the shoulder
and say, if you just step rightthis way quietly, yeah, but you
(42:06):
strike me as the perfectpackage.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
The perfect package.
You have all this, the elementsthat I think would lead you to
do well at that.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Well, and I appreciate that, because part of
the element to me is it's forme when I'm a judge, it's people
first.
What is the story?
How did this person getconnected with this car?
What brought them to thismoment in time where they're
taking this incredible?
You know, if it's a concourseevent, it's the best of the best
.
These are cars with a pedigree,these are cars that the best
(42:45):
examples of their kind, and sowhat would bring someone to that
moment in time in their ownstory?
And I think it's just.
For instance, at the NewEngland Concours, the Volkswagen
that was represented there wasthe rarest early Volkswagen bus
(43:08):
that I've ever seen.
Oh, man.
It had 8,000 kilometers on it.
Somebody do the math?
Jeez, no, it was in iconiccolors of candle wax, red and
sepia brown, and it smelled likea new car.
And the person who had it was alifelong enthusiast, obviously
(43:32):
someone who had earned enoughmoney in his life to be able to
buy something like that.
It had traded hands many timesyeah, and you, he's the, the.
There's a, there's a somewhatcynical moment where you think,
oh, I'm just going to be hearinga rich person you know, tell,
tell me about an asset.
But what I heard from thatperson, as they showed me, let's
(43:54):
say, the owner's manual, wasalmost like a child speaking
about something that they theirmost precious possession.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Wow, that's a neat.
That that, that that's a reallyneat.
So let's leave it right thereand we can pick that up next
time.
But that's a really neat.
One thing that's really struckme about many of the people that
we've had on the show is thatthey ended up getting their
dream cars, but they're notindependently wealthy.
They had a dream, they had avision.
(44:27):
They stuck to it.
They said I'm going to put thisamount of money away every
paycheck, or I'm going to starta hobby side hustle.
I'm going to put all that moneyin a bank account and doggone
it when it gets to where itneeds to be.
I'm going to break that piggybank and go buy my dream, you
know, and that's inspiring too,because it shows the vision,
dedication, hard work andsticking to something I mean all
(44:49):
things that will get you there.
Well, dave, it was such apleasure to meet you.
Thank you for making time.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Pleasure meeting you both too.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Thank you, Dave, and sharing some of your, some of
your stories in time with us.
I had a blast.
If I look at and as you'retalking I'm looking at a
computer screen, at the, at theshow script, I'm looking at the
stopwatch off to the side, I'mchatting Doug off to the side,
I'm taking notes, and if youlook at how much ground we
(45:20):
covered in in you know whichreally, we just kind of just
kind of walk through your life.
It was a delight.
I just want to thank you forsharing a bit of your bit of
your space with us.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Thank you so much, gentlemen.
This was a real pleasure.
Thank you, thank you, we willhave you back.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
We will have you back .
So what do you think, partner?
Is that uh is about time to tohead down the off ramp and and
and guide this car into our,into the cinder block garage.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
I think so, but I do.
I do have one last question forDave.
It's okay if he doesn't knowthe answer how many Volkswagens
have you owned and owned as acurrent you know, even ones you
own today, into the count.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Including the two I own today, it's less than 10.
It's probably seven.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Okay, that's significant.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
That's a lot.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
And not all Beatles.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
No, no, I've only had Beatles.
I've never had a lot.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
That's what I thought .
I heard you say only Beatles.
So seven Beatles?
No, the Toreg he drives daily.
Oh, you say only.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Beetles, so seven Beetles.
No the Touareg he drives daily.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Oh, you're air-cooled .
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Oh sorry, I missed that part.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yes, I did mean classic.
But yes he also has aVolkswagen as his daily driver,
but it's a modern, water-cooledVolkswagen.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
And did I say it properly Tor-egg, tor-egg,
that's the first time I've saidit properly my entire life.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
I think that the people who speak German, they'll
put a little bit of a W.
Is it Tor-egg, tor-egg, oh boy.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
You're making my life hard, Dave.
You're making my life hard.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
I've never said it properly, so I'm not making my
own life hard.
Oh, Dave.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
We've got to stop while we're ahead, buddy.
But again, it was a pleasureand you had just heard the
high-revving, low-mileage latemodel heard around the world.
Authoritative podcast onAutomotive Nostalgia.
He is Doug at CarsLovecom, I amChristian at CarsLovecom, he
was Dave.
Everybody clap, please, followthe show, tell a friend,
(47:28):
download, email us.
Hit up the link treeL-I-N-K-T-R dot E-E, slash Cars
Loved and you'll find that's ourdigital switchboard.
You'll find all our presencesthere.
Hit us up the way you need orcontact us the old-fashioned way
.
I even have a phone number andyou can catch me there.
So we will see you at our nextlocal car show or rally, but
(47:52):
we're always in the neighborhood.
Thank you for listening.
Keep the rubber side down andwe will see you next week.
to all the cars I've loved before.
Listener land.
You have found the best carpodcast you've never heard about
, but you know what I'm gonnahave to get with my partner
crime here, because that'sreally not.
I don't know if that's soappropriate.
Heard around the yes, and wewould like to welcome our new
listeners in Phoenix, arizona,new York, new York Highlands,
(00:30):
texas, avon, indiana yes, avon.
I wonder if that has anythingto do with the old cosmetics
company no, avon, yeah, avon.
Indiana, washington DC,henderson, nevada.
If you're in any of theseplaces, feel free to drop a line
, hit us through any of theCommunique links that our good
(00:51):
co-host, doug, has set up overtime.
Henderson, nevada.
This might be my personalfavorite.
Mississauga, ontario popped upon our map by way of the
analytics.
Mississauga, ontario.
I hope I'm not massacring you.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
You did a great job yeah.
I did a great job massacring it.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It is my favorite city, to say now, maybe my
favorite city where we're hurt,and Iceland popped up on the map
.
I think Iceland is new Swedenhad been around for a bit.
If you're an old Volvo mechanicwho wants to get on the show,
please, in Sweden, let us knowit's easy or a Saab mechanic.
(01:31):
Yeah, we're trying to getsomebody on the show who's a
huge Saab person.
I don't know where we are onthat, but we're always
prospecting for guests.
But if you'd like to be on theshow, it's easy.
I'm going to tell you how.
Christian at carslovecom.
Doug at carslovecom.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Let's see.
Or you can go to our link treeand there is a link.
Do you want to be our guest?
So?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
easy and let me spell it out for you L-I-N-K-T-R dot
E-E slash carslovecom.
That's a great littleswitchboard.
Doug's been working on that.
It took a quantum leap forwardover the past week because we
want to make it easy.
We want to meet everybody wherethey're at.
So if you're a social mediajunkie, you can catch us on
(02:16):
Facebook.
What else?
Instagram, instagram we're nowon YouTube, effectively the
second largest search engine inthe world.
We're posting content.
You'll see nuggets and snippets.
So the way that you know, as westudy the industry, the way
that we can keep posting on aregular cadence, is to slice and
(02:38):
dice a lot of the hours andhours, dozens of hours of
content that we have right now,and so you'll see these snippets
getting spun off, and thathelps us remain publishing along
these different vectors.
Where else, doug, did I getthem all?
Carslovecom People listen to uson the site player, which I
(02:59):
never would have thoughtinitially.
Where else?
What are we missing?
Anything further on how to geta hold of us?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think our link tree Say it for us L-I-N-K-T-R dot
E-E slash carslovedcom.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
No, not com silly oh yeah, sorry I said it wrong.
Get rid of the comL-I-N-K-T-R-E-E slash carslogged
New spot on the show.
Well, okay, I'm going to callit.
Remember the old You've GotMail?
You remember the old You've GotMail, that poor fella just
passed away who actually was thevoice of that.
(03:40):
I'm going to get his name bythe end of the show.
We'll toss that in.
But instead of you got mail, howabout we got notice?
We got notice Getting a littlestreet cred by a trade rag
called Feedspot.
This piece was called the bestcar podcast on the planet.
Which you might say what planet?
But that's Earth.
We're not at Mars yet, by theway.
(04:00):
It takes six months to getthere.
They don't tell you that.
They don't tell you that whenyou're booking it on Expedia.
So we were number 37 out of 70,all right, which puts us right
in the middle of the pack,middle of the bell curve, you
know.
So, yeah, this is good, this isgood information getting
noticed.
So, again, the downloads havereally amplified.
(04:23):
Now throw a little kudos to mypartner.
The continual nuggetizing ofour content and spitting it off
has.
We're really seeing that in thenumbers.
So thanks for doing that.
And what do you think aboutthis show?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
It's a great way to.
If somebody doesn't have 30minutes or 45 minutes, it's a
great way to for them to scrollthrough, find something that
might be especially somethingfunny.
That's what we're we're pullingthose soundbites that are that
are funny or interesting, and itwill get somebody's attention
and hopefully they'll listen tothe whole episode when they get
(05:00):
time.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, yeah, and maybe the two dozen media consultants
that we just hired are startingto pay off.
So anything else on the bestpodcast on the planet, piece Any
thoughts around that?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
No, we're just going to keep podcasting and keep
listening, hopefully keepgetting noticed.
Yeah, the one thing we'd ask isgive us a review, if you can,
on Apple Podcasts.
If you can't, pick your podcastsite of choice or send us a
note, tell us what you think.
If you have a friend who wantsto be on the podcast or who you
(05:38):
think would be great on thepodcast, let us know.
If there's a couple husband andwife, father-son,
father-daughter, mother,daughter, son and third cousin,
fourth cousin, fifth- cousin,sixth cousin, Well yeah.
Cousin once removed.
Yeah, we'd love, we'd love tohave groups.
We've had some great, greatinterviews in the last several
(06:02):
weeks.
There are so many I can't evenbegin to talk about Some with
Automotive Tech College that Ilearned about from PBS NewsHour.
Can't wait to get those out.
But that, I think, takes us totoday.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Doug is a segue machine, beautifully stated.
Let's pick that up off thefloor, dust it off.
And I want to offer to thelistening audience here listener
land.
We're starting to get reviewson Apple Podcasts, so I didn't
think we would get that soquickly.
Some kind words.
A lot of them say for Christianto lay off the coffee.
(06:39):
I don't even know what theymean, but please let us know.
Always feel free, free to emailus, but give us a review,
especially if you have kindwords.
And yeah, I will hand the batonback to doug because I think we
have a great guest today yeah,um, thank you, christian.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, so our guest today, um, comes to us via
another guest, guinevere, who ison an upcoming episode, or
future or previous episode,depending on when you're
listening to this one and we'regoing to talk all about air
cooled cars today, specificallyVolkswagens, where our guest
(07:21):
Dave.
I'm going to let Dave introducehimself.
That's where he started andit's a love of his through today
and there's a lot of tie-ins tohis personal life and how he's
given back.
But, dave, if you want tointroduce yourself, Thanks Doug,
Thanks Christian.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
My name's Dave.
I am a lifelong air-cooledenthusiast and have owned
multiple air-cooled Volkswagensthroughout my existence.
Club in the Connecticut areacalled Small Car Company, which
(08:10):
is a little bit different from alot of clubs, and I'd like to
say that the minute we have duesand minutes and Robert's rules
of parliamentary procedure iswhen I quit.
So we've grown organically.
As I said, it's enthusiasts.
(08:38):
You see someone on the roaddriving a vintage Porsche or 911
or a 356, 914, or a Volkswagen,a bus, a Beetle, a Karmann Ghia
.
You all begin to get torecognize each other and get to
know each other.
We begin to get to recognizeeach other and get to know each
other and 11 years ago aneighbor of mine who was also an
air-cooled guy named Tom, wesaid hey, you know, look, we've
got a couple of names of peoplewe know.
Let's just get together forbreakfast, let's get together on
(09:01):
a Saturday or a Sunday, Just gofor a drive, Just hang out.
Just go for a drive, just hangout, just talk cars.
Well, one thing led to another,After a couple of those
wonderful, informal, completelyimpromptu, unplanned and rallies
where most of our time wasfiguring out how lost we were,
(09:25):
but never without a smile.
I woke up one morning and saidyou know what?
But never without a smile.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
You know, I woke up one morning and said you know
what this could be a club.
Now wait, how long did thattake?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
How long did that take before you kind of met?
I would say it fermentedthroughout a summer and then
kind of the winter passage whenwe weren't driving Throughout a
summer and then kind of thewinter passage when we weren't
driving.
I sort of began to put thatwhole sort of world together.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You said I miss these guys.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I miss these guys.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, so just a few months, so that's relatively
quick.
Sorry, I didn't mean tointerrupt, please continue Love
the story Love the story.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
But I think the other essence of the club is you know
, how do you keep these obsoletecars on the road?
And I don't think that's acondition or a problem.
That's particularly true justonly for Volkswagen and Porsche.
It's all these obsolete cars.
You talk to people hey, do youknow I'm having this trouble.
Do you know a source?
What about this part?
Do you know someone who coulddo this and do that?
(10:27):
So the club was more than justlet's get together and drive or
admire these cars.
It was a support system forkeeping cars on the road.
And then, you know, deepfriendships really would develop
along the way and we werealways a kind of family oriented
wives, kids and love that.
(10:47):
So the whole path of having aclub that yes, it's centered on
a mutual interest, but it wasreally more about friendship and
camaraderie in the end.
And that was.
We just had our 11thanniversary and we've been doing
an annual show which is kind ofan all air cooled gathering.
(11:10):
We've had everything fromIsetta's and Crosby's Amazing,
some of them very rare cars comefrom miles away and we gather
at Veterans Green in downtownWestport, connecticut, and
(11:30):
celebrate all things air-cooledonce a year.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I love it Okay, so 11 years you've been doing that,
and is this kind of an annualshow that?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
you do.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
The show is annual, but throughout the year we're
doing rallies, drives and othercharitable events which have
been stick you in the way backmachine and we go back to your
first car and we talk and thinkabout how it all started.
I have to tell listener landthat you have the neatest wall
set up here so I can see what's.
You know, I'm very, I'm a verynosy person and I like to see
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people in their element, right.
So I can see Dave over thisvideo conference and over his
right shoulder he has the decklid to one of his beloved VWs,
or maybe it even predated you,right?
And it's backlit.
Yeah, it's sort of backlit.
It's a beautiful thing here andI wish everybody could see it,
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but you know.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
There's a great story behind that that Dave told us.
Maybe you could tell theaudience real quick, Dave, about
the story and the tie-in to thesmall car company, the original
.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Well, I think it's one of those, for me,
meant-to-be kind of things.
Love it.
It really unfolded like thisand I appreciate, christian,
what you're saying, that it wasa, you know, it's a deck lid.
It's a piece of art in and ofitself but hung on a wall and
backlit yes, piece of art in andof itself, but hung on a wall
and back, yes, and you probablycan't see it.
But there's also the licenseplate frame and there's a decal
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that say the small car companyon it.
I can, and therein lies thestory that Doug mentioned.
So in that winter fermentationwhere we've said let's make this
a club, got to come up with aname, and I said well to my
friend Tom, let's call it theSmall Car Company, because we
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live in a town where theprobably back in the day, the
Small Car Company, which wetipped the hat to as the name of
our club, was the largestair-cooled VW dealer in the
country for a while, I thinkthey came to be in the 50s and
folded tents as a car dealershipin the late 70s.
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And one thing led to another.
When we decided to have ourfirst car show at probably our
second year of existence as aclub, we contacted the property
owner who was renting the space,that then the back in the day
dealership, the small carcompany that was their original
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headquarters, their dealership.
It was oh, the property wasowned by a restoration shop,
local restoration shop.
They said, hey, great, you know, you can use my parking lot,
you can use my showroom, you canset up coffee, you can do
whatever you want.
And it was a really fun event.
We had a great turnout and Iwas just saying to Doug that
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sometime at some point duringthe show, when we had about 50
cars, I looked around and said,my goodness, this is more air
cooled cars on this parking lottoday than there've been years.
Yeah, the end of the show wewere sort of we were cleaning up
and the fellow who had lent usthe space came out from the back
.
He said I knew I could findthis, I've been meaning to look
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for it.
Someone said it was under thepile of trash and you know, he
came out and he was holding thisdeck lit and it had the small
car company decal and licenseplate on it and he said here
it's yours, oh man.
So it was a, you know, a funaffirmation of what was
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beginning to happen and,obviously, something that you
know didn't become a lightfixture and uh office right away
it went to the corner of mygarage for about eight years.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Right, it went from the corner of their garage to
the corner of your garage.
And then, I'm sure, years later, and okay, doug, doug wants to
strangle me because he wants togo on to the, to the talk
through the, but remind, theair-cooled show that I went to
down here in Pensacola Calledthe Rare.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Air Show.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
It was so good, oh my gosh, and I gave out a bunch of
cards that I haven't heard from.
But they have.
The your deck lid reminded meof all the parts for sale door
handles, dashboard pieces, lidsof every stripe and size, just
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with masking tape and a littleprice on them.
So wonderful, anyway.
Okay, let's go way back to whenyou were a young man, because
it all had to start somewhere.
Dave, where do you want to kickit off?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You know, preparing to meet you gentlemen, I began
and was asked to think about allof that, which I hadn't for a
long time and that was a realpleasure.
And it's a very simple story.
When I was in middle school,probably seventh or eighth grade
, in Connecticut and you know,coming from a family that had a
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Chevy and my neighbor had a Fordthere were very few foreign
cars around who became a friendin seventh or eighth grade had
just been, his family had justcome in from California and they
, the parents, were very kind ofstylish couple that you know,
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tall and tan and playing tennisall the time, and they drove a
oval era, mid fifties a beetle,beautiful black paint with a
beautiful red interior, and Ilove with the car.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Sounds beautiful.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Can't you know, I can't explain the why or how.
Just it was love at first sight.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, I can see it in my mind's eye.
From your description I can seethe car Beautiful.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Iconic.
Yeah and um, you know, as, as Igot a little bit older and went
finished high school, went onto college in massachusetts, I
was in need of a, a car to beginto commute and take on my first
serious summer job.
And um, I went to the small carcompany in connecticut, in
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Westport, to look for a used carand found the perfect candidate
, which was a 1969 VW Beetle inreasonable shape, reasonable
price.
And as I went out, as I wasabout to test drive it, the
salesman said and, by the way,this was owned by a Connecticut
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tech student, norwalk techstudent in the next town, who
knew a little something abouthot rodding Volkswagens, so it
might feel a little differentthan what you're used to.
And it was.
It was mildly hot rodded,probably raised compression and
a couple of other bolt-on typesof things, and it was a great
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car.
I just drove the heck out ofthat car and loved every second
of it and, without getting toowordy about the whole thing, it
was also an opportunity to beginto learn to wrench on my own
projects yeah, yeah and maintainthe car.
And I found that I absolutelyloved that process as much as I
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loved the car itself and hadthat car for years and went on
to own a 73 standard Beetle, a66 Beetle convertible and a 72
Super Beetle, which I currentlyhave.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
So you have a type.
We could say you have a type.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I would say so.
That's a very accuratestatement.
Good reporting, yeah yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
So, and then, early on, let me squeeze in here real
quick, partner.
Uh, one of the things that youyou had mentioned earlier that I
thought was I just want totease it out a little bit one of
the things that you really loveabout these automobiles in
general, okay, is being able todrive forever on five dollars
worth of gas.
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Love that and, uh, fewer timesat the line during the gas
embargo.
And for our younger listenlisteners very real, very, very
real thing, if you're like thatwas a real part of the early
experience.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Um, the gas embargo hit very heavily and, um, you
know the ability to.
You know what was, what was it?
What is it?
A 10, 10 and a half gallon tankof gas would just take me
anywhere I wanted to go without,you know, being crushed by the
experience of being on lines or,you know, worried about getting
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stuck.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, yeah I.
I read somewhere that, if you,you would look at your license
plate and if the last number wasodd, or even, you would go on a
different.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Is that true?
It's definitely true, and itcombined with a $3 limit when it
got really bad.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Oh, I didn't even know of that.
A limit, wow, okay, okay ofthat.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah, a limit, wow, okay, okay, the three dollars
family.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Uh chevy station wagon went a little differently
you're reading my mind, that wasthe next thing I was gonna say.
Is your, your, as they say,your mileage may vary.
Sorry, doug, I did, I didn'tmean to interrupt.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
We got all these questions man no, I'm glad you
mentioned it.
I think think the oil embargostarted in 1973, was it?
Yes?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, that was the year I was born, so I knew there
was some significance there.
One was going with my thengirlfriend, who is now my wife
of over 40 years, on a ski tripto southern Vermont and it
snowed and at the bottom of theaccess road to the ski mountain
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were all these cars thatcouldn't get up the mountain,
the access road, and I said Ithink we can do it.
And I said I, I think we can doit, and the you know I had snow
tires but the combination ofthe weight displaced or or
transfer the back, the engineover the rear transaxle, all of
that, um, you know the littleengine that could made so good
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but I think um guinevere told usthere was a I think it was her
that there was a volkswagen adand it said what you know?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
what car does the snowplow driver own?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
those were the iconic ads by uh, I guess it was a
significant Madison Avenue adagency.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, you know they.
They were all black and white,beautifully photographed with
these wonderful taglines.
They're quite collectible, ofcourse.
You probably saw them at yourswap meet in in in Florida.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
No, no, no, I had not seen that, but then I went
online boy, we're good.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
We said.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I think we saw some last night when we were talking
yeah, we did the top 10 mostmemorable votes volkswagen ads
ever created.
And boy, there are some goodones here.
Um yeah, brilliant, brilliant,sorry doug keep going.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
No, that's okay.
So, um, yeah, yeah.
So I'm glad we were able tobring up Volkswagen use in snow
and of course you know, beingair-cooled, how well they run in
the winter.
So how long did you have that?
First car for Dave?
First car for Dave.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I sold that car about a year after the oil embargo to
a local teacher because at thetime I was moving to New York
and didn't need a car.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Right, right.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Exactly, and what was also a very interesting
experience as a car owner ingeneral is that I didn't lose
that much money selling it, andbecause it just was running so
well it held up who knows howmany more miles could have been
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put on it at the time that itwas being sold.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Do you recall how many miles approximately towards
the end of its time with youProbably 50,000 to 60,000 miles.
Okay, yeah, so it had a couplehundred thousand more in it, for
sure.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Easily.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, awesome.
And so you're in New York for awhile and then eventually you
got out right, finished, moved alittle south, at, at, at, when
my academics were happening innew york.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
At the same time, uh, there were summer jobs and I
was still in need oftransportation.
But but during this process ofme finding the 69 Volkswagen, my
father, who was a World War II,a decorated World War II
veteran, was very upset with me,couldn't understand why a son
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of his would buy a German car.
The simple logic was I riskedmy life to beat them and my
youthful response was yourgeneration did beat them and
that's why Wolfsburg would go onand make these incredible cars
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that people like us can affordand buy and use them as
transportation.
What a reasoned response andtheir culture right well, you
know, at that at that time theculture thing wasn't as big to
me as the transportation thing,I sure I think it was beginning
to grow, certainly.
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And so, long story short, myfather's 57 chevy wagon broke
and he said could I borrow yourcar?
And he did, and that was thelongest conversation we had had
for about two months Can Iborrow?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
your car Sure.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
And that weekend he went down to the small car
company and bought a 73, brandnew 73.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Volkswagen man.
Wow, it just took a weekendConvert.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
A convert.
Yeah, your small car was nextto what he was driving.
The big lanyards of the 50sJust couldn't be more different.
Couldn't be more different.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Well, and I think he understood it because, you know,
as someone who, as a veteranand someone who had been in
Europe and probably driven aJeep Totally driven a Jeep, a
small, maneuverable vehicle, andalso someone who understood
what it costs to make a wage andpay for gasoline it wasn't an
easy conversion.
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I mean it was an easyconversion, not, wasn't.
And there he was.
So roll the camera forward.
I didn't need a car for a longtime.
He had that car.
He let me borrow it.
He was very generous with itwhen I needed it and when he
passed away, my mother saidshould I sell the Volkswagen?
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It's running quite well.
And I was at that point takingcare of it.
And I said, yeah, you shouldsell it if you want to.
You know, use the money forsomething else.
And that weekend, when I sawher, she handed me an envelope
and it had the title to the carin it.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Oh man Love it.
How long did your dad have thatcar?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Love it.
How long did your dad have thatcar?
Oh, my goodness, I would sayabout 10 years.
Ok.
So my mother just said look,you know you took good care of
that car for your father and Ican't sell it.
Why did you take it?
And it became my daily driver?
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It wasn't just, it wasn't, youknow.
To me I mean, I cherished itand I took good care of it and
all those things you do with abeloved vehicle, but it was my
it, my wife and I, when we were,when we were married, that was
our honeymoon getaway car.
I think there's a photo albumsomewhere with a just married oh
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, got to dig up that picture.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Is there any way you could dig up that picture?
Yeah, I'll put that alltogether.
We got to see it, man.
We got to see it.
Yeah, love to see it.
Oh, my gosh, dave, all thesememories.
I did not want to interrupt youwhen you first mentioned, in
preparing for this show, we getthis with a lot of guests that
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coming on the show and talkingabout these things.
A few people have used the wordcathartic Healing makes me
think of things I hadn't thoughtbefore, made me smile, made me
text my dad, a parent, a brotheror sister, and fact check hey,
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where did this car come from?
Was it a Catalina?
Was it that?
So it's really.
We get that a lot.
It's one of the very happythings for the show and Doug
always says from the word goDoug's.
We're really a podcast aboutnostalgia, talking about people.
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In fact, the branding of theshow ended up being the right
thing, but I originally wantedto call the podcast First Car,
second Car, third Car, and Dougbeing the marketing genius that
he is, he said that's thedumbest name ever.
I just bought CarsLovecom andthis was low, these many.
But okay, we got to move on.
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We got to move on.
I want to talk about Dave,something that you had mentioned
.
You're obviously verythoughtful and all about
community with your club thatyou started, but could you tell
us a little about Mentors andMotors?
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Be glad to Mentors and Motors came about in 2017,
where I was sitting with my youknow, my founding partner, tom,
and we said you know, we'redoing these shows, we're doing
rallies, we have people from allreally spectrums.
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I mean there were some at ashow that year.
I think we had two Rod EmeryPorsches which you're talking
about, probably cars that cost amillion dollars, golly, and you
know.
All very exciting and veryheady, but we were beginning to
recognize that the people weknew running the restoration
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shops primarily we hadn't reallybegun to focus on dealers yet,
but we would go on to Everyonewas saying I can't find skilled
people.
My head mechanic is.
He's about to retire.
And talking to the people inour club, other clubs people
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were saying, hey, you know thatguy who used to be able to do
the valve job on my flat sixPorsche engine.
He just retired.
What am I going to do?
So I started really thinkingabout this incredible talent
pool of kids in the state justlocally really in the state of
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Connecticut who are studying tobe auto techs and wondering out
loud you know what percentage ofthese kids would be interested
in being trained or gettinginterested in general in
restoration, just the way we did, helping someone fix a car or
inheriting a car or buying aused car.
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So you know, out of necessity, alot of people learn to fix
things that dealers didn't wantto fix and they found themselves
being self-educated asrestorers and through a process
of research and then you know,just sort of meeting people, was
able to meet probably thestrongest educator or instructor
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in the state at the time, whowas the department head at the
Bullard Haven Technical Schoolin Bridgeport, which is part of
CTEC's Connecticut TechnicalEducation Career Systems,
learning that there were 10,000students in the state of
Connecticut studying autotechnology and this person, this
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head of this department, likedthe idea of reaching out to
these kids and opening up doorsfor them and really a lot of the
you know a lot of the problemsthey were having with inner city
and kids of limited means isthey had never been told hey,
you have a green light to go andmake your way in the world and
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meet people and, yeah,self-advancement things that, um
, we thought we could help teach, because we're not teaching
them the ins and outs of being amechanic, we're teaching them
about life and how to have, yeah, life skills, yeah.
So it was a marvelous experienceand I'll send you the picture
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of it.
They said why don't you comenext week to meet the students
and, by the way, our classroomis a garage and here's the big
door Drive your car in.
So I grabbed my 72 Super Beetle, which is a very interesting
car because it's a200-horsepower Volkswagen.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
What Holy crap.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
interesting car because it's a 200 horsepower
volkswagen what holy crap withyou know, set up like a german
look car, with you know all thecustomized suspension.
It's sort of you know like youknow where I, where, I took it
to with that particular.
Yeah, I thought the kids wouldbe interested in that car
because, because it still is soprimitive, you could put it on a
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lift, you could open up theengine bay, you could understand
all the systems of a car justalmost by looking at it because
of its simplicity and maybethat's, in the end, what was so
enduring for me.
But, um, it was a just afantastic day ended up spending.
You know, what was scheduled asa 45-minute appointment ended up
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being a couple of hours kidshanging after school, and so the
mentors and motors just becamea manifestation of finding these
kids, talking to theinstructors, bringing them to
events, having them, hostingthem at our own events.
And just one little anecdote wehad an event last summer at the
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Malcolm Prey Foundation inBedford, new York.
Lily Prey and her father wasMalcolm Prey, was a Volkswagen
and Porsche dealer in Greenwichand they have a car museum and
they're all about education andwe had a marvelous group of
mentors.
We invite people that we know,and one particular fellow is the
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owner of a significantrestoration shop and he was very
impressed by this one sophomorefrom K-Nar Tech, bethel,
connecticut, and that kid's nowworking at that shop.
He started cleaning parts.
And then you know, but I said,well, this fellow shop owner
(37:00):
said, bob, how did you recognizethis kid's talent?
I said I could just tell by theway he talked about.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Carmen.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
There was something there, and when I spoke to this
young man's instructor, theysaid oh yeah, so-and-so.
Not only does he, he's a greattech, you know, very intelligent
mind and gifted mechanically,he can draw.
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If you say, draw a picture ofan Audi TT, you just get the
pencil out, draw a quick sketch.
Oh wow.
So he was an aesthetician aswell, which struck home for me
as an architect as somethingthat's a huge component.
So, mentors and motors movingforward.
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You know there's a lot ofso-called STEM education,
science, technology, engineeringand math and we're going to put
the A in that and do some steamwork, with the A being art.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Not with a steam engine.
It won't be with steam, it willbe with gasoline.
Yes, air-cooled, air-cooled.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
So the whole mentors and motors program is really
steam.
It's science, technology,engineering, art and math.
And it's really about people asmuch as it is about the cars.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
When you said STEAM, I thought you were going to say
the A stood for automobiles,because anymore when you work on
an automobile you're working ona computer with wheels.
You know if you go into today'sjob market that's what they're
going to look for.
You have to be credentialed,you have to get certificates.
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I can work on this sort ofsystem, this subsystem.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Modalities yeah, to quote one of our past guests.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah, these kids graduate with an ASE certificate
.
They're not.
That's it.
That's it.
Yeah, they're on the glide path.
Give them about eight yearsthey'll have their master
mechanic certification.
It's interesting, as a lot ofthem are being snapped up by the
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aerospace companies.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Oh wow, because they have all the prerequisite skills
to be cross trained inaerospace.
That's an interesting littledetour, that's an interesting
detour.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah, wow, that that.
That is so beautiful.
Thank you for sharing that.
So, as we guide the podcast tothe off-ramp here, dave, I just
wanted to say that the mentorsand motor.
The thing that sticks out to meis that it allows for young
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people to understand thatlearning is not a book.
To understand that learning isnot a book.
I feel like you get taught thatfrom a very young age and you
can rethink the formal structureof education as it sits, and
that's what you're doing, that'swhat you present to these young
folks, and I think that's justa wonderful thing.
And I tell you what partner.
(40:20):
I think we're running close ontime here and one of Dave's
problems is that he's sointeresting.
We knew we weren't going to getto it all in one podcast, so I
think we're going to have tohave you back, dave.
But could you tease just alittle bit some of the car
judging Now?
We've never had a car judge onbefore.
(40:41):
Concourse judge, concoursejudge, concourse judge.
Sorry, yeah, do you want todescribe?
Can you describe that in just amoment or two?
And I would like to have youback on a future episode to not
only talk about that.
But Doug and I have Now theclub that he has.
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I would love to get up therefor one of his rallies and one
of his cruises.
Be a great opportunity for somevideo content.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Sorry, Dave Spring.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Absolutely.
I say we do it, I say we roadtrip to see Dave.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
But Dave tell us a little bit about the Concourse
Judging.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Well, I think you know, for me it was the
evolution of being in the carcommunity.
It wasn't something that I wokeup one day and said I really
want to aspire to this.
So it started, you know, like alot of things innocently, with
someone saying, hey, could youhelp out at this event?
And someone else saying, hey,oh, we have an air-cooled
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section at the New EnglandConcourse, which was the first
one that I did.
Could you be the head judge forair-cooled?
And you know, I think I had animmediate case of imposter
syndrome and when someone'sgoing to tap you on the shoulder
and say, if you just step rightthis way quietly, yeah, but you
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strike me as the perfectpackage.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
The perfect package.
You have all this, the elementsthat I think would lead you to
do well at that.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Well, and I appreciate that, because part of
the element to me is it's forme when I'm a judge, it's people
first.
What is the story?
How did this person getconnected with this car?
What brought them to thismoment in time where they're
taking this incredible?
You know, if it's a concourseevent, it's the best of the best
.
These are cars with a pedigree,these are cars that the best
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examples of their kind, and sowhat would bring someone to that
moment in time in their ownstory?
And I think it's just.
For instance, at the NewEngland Concours, the Volkswagen
that was represented there wasthe rarest early Volkswagen bus
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that I've ever seen.
Oh, man.
It had 8,000 kilometers on it.
Somebody do the math?
Jeez, no, it was in iconiccolors of candle wax, red and
sepia brown, and it smelled likea new car.
And the person who had it was alifelong enthusiast, obviously
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someone who had earned enoughmoney in his life to be able to
buy something like that.
It had traded hands many timesyeah, and you, he's the, the.
There's a, there's a somewhatcynical moment where you think,
oh, I'm just going to be hearinga rich person you know, tell,
tell me about an asset.
But what I heard from thatperson, as they showed me, let's
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say, the owner's manual, wasalmost like a child speaking
about something that they theirmost precious possession.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Wow, that's a neat.
That that, that that's a reallyneat.
So let's leave it right thereand we can pick that up next
time.
But that's a really neat.
One thing that's really struckme about many of the people that
we've had on the show is thatthey ended up getting their
dream cars, but they're notindependently wealthy.
They had a dream, they had avision.
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They stuck to it.
They said I'm going to put thisamount of money away every
paycheck, or I'm going to starta hobby side hustle.
I'm going to put all that moneyin a bank account and doggone
it when it gets to where itneeds to be.
I'm going to break that piggybank and go buy my dream, you
know, and that's inspiring too,because it shows the vision,
dedication, hard work andsticking to something I mean all
(44:49):
things that will get you there.
Well, dave, it was such apleasure to meet you.
Thank you for making time.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Pleasure meeting you both too.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Thank you, Dave, and sharing some of your, some of
your stories in time with us.
I had a blast.
If I look at and as you'retalking I'm looking at a
computer screen, at the, at theshow script, I'm looking at the
stopwatch off to the side, I'mchatting Doug off to the side,
I'm taking notes, and if youlook at how much ground we
(45:20):
covered in in you know whichreally, we just kind of just
kind of walk through your life.
It was a delight.
I just want to thank you forsharing a bit of your bit of
your space with us.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Thank you so much, gentlemen.
This was a real pleasure.
Thank you, thank you, we willhave you back.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
We will have you back .
So what do you think, partner?
Is that uh is about time to tohead down the off ramp and and
and guide this car into our,into the cinder block garage.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
I think so, but I do.
I do have one last question forDave.
It's okay if he doesn't knowthe answer how many Volkswagens
have you owned and owned as acurrent you know, even ones you
own today, into the count.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Including the two I own today, it's less than 10.
It's probably seven.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Okay, that's significant.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
That's a lot.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
And not all Beatles.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
No, no, I've only had Beatles.
I've never had a lot.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
That's what I thought .
I heard you say only Beatles.
So seven Beatles?
No, the Toreg he drives daily.
Oh, you say only.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Beetles, so seven Beetles.
No the Touareg he drives daily.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Oh, you're air-cooled .
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Oh sorry, I missed that part.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yes, I did mean classic.
But yes he also has aVolkswagen as his daily driver,
but it's a modern, water-cooledVolkswagen.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
And did I say it properly Tor-egg, tor-egg,
that's the first time I've saidit properly my entire life.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
I think that the people who speak German, they'll
put a little bit of a W.
Is it Tor-egg, tor-egg, oh boy.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
You're making my life hard, Dave.
You're making my life hard.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
I've never said it properly, so I'm not making my
own life hard.
Oh, Dave.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
We've got to stop while we're ahead, buddy.
But again, it was a pleasureand you had just heard the
high-revving, low-mileage latemodel heard around the world.
Authoritative podcast onAutomotive Nostalgia.
He is Doug at CarsLovecom, I amChristian at CarsLovecom, he
was Dave.
Everybody clap, please, followthe show, tell a friend,
(47:28):
download, email us.
Hit up the link treeL-I-N-K-T-R dot E-E, slash Cars
Loved and you'll find that's ourdigital switchboard.
You'll find all our presencesthere.
Hit us up the way you need orcontact us the old-fashioned way
.
I even have a phone number andyou can catch me there.
So we will see you at our nextlocal car show or rally, but
(47:52):
we're always in the neighborhood.
Thank you for listening.
Keep the rubber side down andwe will see you next week.
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