Balancing Ambition with Emotional Wellness | S3 E18 - Together Digital Power Lounge, Women in Digital with Power to Share

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hello everyone, welcome to our weekly power
lounge.
This is your place to hearauthentic conversations from
those who have power to share.
My name is Amy Vaughn and I amthe owner and chief empowerment
officer of Together Digital, adiverse and collaborative
community of women who choose toshare their knowledge, power
and connections.
You can join the movement attogetherindigitalcom.

(00:33):
As many of you know, may isMental Health Awareness Month
and, according to the AmericanPsychiatric Association, each
year, one in five women in theUnited States experience mental
health problems such asdepression, post-traumatic
stress disorder, also known asPTSD, or an eating disorder.
Today, we're here to talk aboutthe balance of ambition and

(00:57):
emotional wellness, particularlyfor women, with Dr Akua Boateng
.
Dr Boateng is a licensedclinician with nearly 15 years
of extensive experience,practice and education.
She has been featured by majormedia outlets such as the
Washington Post, essence, nbcNews, refinery29, HuffPost,

(01:20):
pinterest, nbc Black Enterpriseand many more.
As a trusted speaker, expertcontributor and insightful
consultant, dr Boateng has madea significant impact in the
world of mental health.
Through her illustrious career,dr Boateng has honed in a
compassionate and integrativeapproach to therapy.

(01:41):
She has addressed a wide rangeof issues, including anxiety,
depression, relationshipchallenges, trauma and
importantly for us herelistening today workplace
wellness.
Her unique focus lies at theintersection of ambition and
wellness, driving her to workwith high profile and also a lot

(02:03):
of our listening audience highachieving leaders.
As the founder and CEO ofBoateng Psychotherapy and
Consulting, dr Boateng hasguided clients towards an
integrated sense of self, familyand community since 2015.
Through Boateng Consulting, shehas partnered with companies
like Pinterest, black Enterpriseand the Architects Association

(02:26):
to provide sustainable emotionalwellness strategies that
elevate lives and propel leadersto greater success.
We're so honored to have youhere with us today, and back
again.
Actually, you have been a guestin the past and I was so glad
that you reached back outbecause this is such an
important and dear to us topic.
Dr Broughton, thank you so muchfor being with us again today.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
All right.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Absolutely.
Yeah, let's let's jump intosome questions.
And then, of course, as always,we have a live listening
audience here with us today andwe want you all to feel
comfortable with askingquestions.
No such thing as a wrongquestion.
We're going to get through alot, but obviously we're going
to leave some time at the end oftoday's session for you to ask

(03:14):
questions as well.
So please use that commentsection, use the chat and let us
know if you have anything thatyou would like to ask, in case
there's something we don't touchupon.
But first, if you could juststart by sharing with us what
inspired you to focus,especially recently, on this
intersection of ambition andemotional wellness.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Absolutely.
I'm so excited to be here.
I feel like this community hasbecome like a second home for me
, and so I'm so glad to be withyou all today and be talking
about something I've becomesuper passionate about.
And the reason why I've becomereally passionate about ambition
and emotional wellness is thatoftentimes, in the past 15 years

(03:58):
, I've worked with folks thatare really successful
professionally.
They have done a lot of work tobecome founders, to become
C-suite executives, teachers,doctors, full-time home
caregivers, and theirachievement has become a chief
part of their identity, right?
A lot of the things thatthey're doing in the world is

(04:20):
connected to some sort ofachievement-based thinking, and
ambition is at the center of howthey see the world and how they
see their future, and so,across multiple disciplines you
know a lot of the ones that I'vejust stated one thing really
remains the same we all have adream, right?
We all have a way of thinkingabout our future that is infused

(04:44):
with ideas about success, andoftentimes those ideas of
success come from childhood.
They come from early adulthoodor early adulthood, early
childhood dynamic, and it isoften divorced from emotional
wellness.
I know how to succeed reallywell, but I don't really know

(05:05):
how to do that at the same timeas taking care of my emotional
health.
I can do one or I can do theother.
Society teaches that we learnthat in our homes.
We learn that in our jobs.
We're celebrated for grinding,for working hard, and so I
believe that there is a way,there is a path where we can

(05:30):
succeed in our emotionalwellness, and that should be our
ambition.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
I love it.
I remember when we were havingour kind of catch up
conversation about bringing youback on here and I was like, oh,
I feel so seen and I've said itbefore in past conversations
and other podcast interviewswhere you know I've been asked
questions about you know where Iwas, you know when I was
climbing the ladder and agencylife and world, and I kind of

(05:58):
came to that realization, kindof through the verbal processing
of being interviewed, which issometimes kind of like therapy,
is that I was, oh yeah, I wasreally good at work.
So I always leaned in hard atwork because that was the thing
I could show up and do well, butthen when it came to life and
at home and in being alone withmyself and my own thoughts, that

(06:19):
was hard, that was hard andthat's how I became a really
good workaholic for many, manyyears.
And I agree with you greatlythat this hustle culture has
been given a lot of favor andaccolades for a long time and I
agree that really needs.
Tired of talking about it.
We're burnt out on burnout, butit is such a common thing among

(06:39):
high achievers.
In fact, according to a studyby Deloitte, 77% of women
reported feeling burnout attheir current jobs and 42% left
their jobs due to burnout.

(07:01):
Can you explain how burnoutmanifests in ambitious
individuals, and what signsshould we be looking out for
within ourselves, or maybeothers, when it comes to this?

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Absolutely.
You are right.
Burnout is just as prevalent asanxiety.
Anxiety is like the number oneemotional concern that we're
experiencing in the UnitedStates.
Burnout really close second.
There it's a lot, a lot ofpeople are experiencing it.
I find that highly ambitiouspeople can fall prey to highly
effective compartmentalization.

(07:37):
We have folks, those highachievers starting an early life
.
You're getting all the stars onyour grade and report card.
You're the one that theteacher's like oh I don't have
to worry about you, right?
Or you took a different path.
But we are the folks that arethe push through nation.
We're the ones that know how togrind.

(07:57):
And so the challenge with highfunctioning, high achieving
folks and burnout is we havenormalized working at such a
high frequency that we can beclose to the cliff of our
capacity and not know it.
We are the folks that havenormalized and actually become

(08:21):
masters at silencing thediscomfort.
And actually become masters atsilencing the discomfort.
That's what makes us successful.
Right, that we can actuallywork under great challenging
circumstances.
We can rise above the fray.
Right, we can stay in and worklong hours.
But we fall prey to notunderstanding that our resources

(08:44):
have diminished along that timethat we've been pushing through
, and so, as a result of that,irritability is missed right,
loss of creativity is missed,extreme and chronic fatigue is
missed right, orcompartmentalized out,
intellectualized away right.
And one of the other symptomsthat I often find or strategies,

(09:09):
internal strategies that highachieving folks use and burnout
is really present is what wecall reaction formation.
It's a defense mechanism and itis the person that says I'm
fine, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'mfine.
And really what's happening onthe inside is you are not fine

(09:31):
and you're using the strategy ofsaying I'm fine to change the
course of how you might feel.
It's not all the way effective,but it's certainly a good
college try that we give rightTo say I'm fine, and so the
person that's always sayingthey're fine, while also at the
very low level of their resource, is headed towards burnout.

(09:57):
When you're fully in burnout,that means something has failed
some system.
It could be your physical body,it could be that you have a
symptom stomach issue, chronicheadaches, insomnia, larger
things like high blood pressureright, something fails and we're
not able to function at such ahigh frequency and then we

(10:23):
realize we're in burnout.
Yeah, they can't do all thethings they used to do.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
So many important things you just said there and I
loved that statement of we areso used to operating close to
the cliff of our capacity.
I feel that I see that and alsothat last statement of the I'm
fine, I'm fine reminds me of thecommon iteration I have among a
lot of my very strong femalefriends, which is check on your

(10:51):
strong friends, Because they dohave that tendency to kind of
put on that brave face and keepmoving things along even when
it's not fine.
So really, really asking butare you?

Speaker 2 (11:02):
fine, and not assuming they believe it.
That's the tricky part, becauseyou really do feel like you're
fine.
Yeah, because you've learned toliterally compartmentalize.
I am so distant from my ownfeeling.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, You're that numb and then, like even you
said, when it begins to manifestas a physical ailment, and you
don't necessarily tie thephysical ailment to the mental
distress, but all of that stuffis absolutely connected.
That's such a great point too.
I also realized something and Iwon't reveal names or anything
because this was within a peergroup that we had recently, but

(11:41):
I recognize this so immediately.
But there was another, you know, know, having been an agency
person in the past there was awoman saying she felt burnt out.
But it was really interestingbecause she felt burnt out
during a lull.
She felt that she was sittingidle and was kind of like
itching and waiting.
And I said, and she had justcome off a big project and I
thought this is your moment ofrest.

(12:03):
I said, why are you waiting forand chasing the next high?
This is like your high shouldnot just be work.
This is not healthy, Like thisshould be.
You going oh, I have a momentto you know, sort of rest, relax

(12:23):
and the next surge of work willcome, but burnout shouldn't be
you saying, oh, I'm not, myvalue is in me being busy all
the time.
You know, it's like she almosthad like the inverse, like
thought process of burnout, likelike if I'm not at max product
like productivity, like then I'mnot, not valuable and I'm not

(12:45):
doing a good job and I'm burntout on my job if I'm basically
not working at 110 capacity.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Absolutely yeah, and there's so.
There's so much to that, Iwon't go into that, but that is
an early childhood dynamic,isn't it?
My right, my worth is connectedto what I do.
My right, my worth is connectedto what I do.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, yeah, and that's a hard thing to break.
But, yeah, you're right, that's.
That's a longer, deeper sessionthan what we've got today.
Let's talk about another funterm that all of us ladies love
hearing because we just get tohear it all day, every day which
is imposter syndrome.
It's another prevalent issueamong ambitious women.
In fact, research againpublished by the Journal of

(13:27):
Behavioral Science indicatesthat imposter syndrome affects
women more frequently than men.
How does imposter syndrome tendto affect mental health, and
what strategies can we sort ofstart to implore to help us
overcome it?

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, so I think imposter syndrome is really a
crisis of belonging and personalagency.
Right Belonging and personalagency.
When we mix those, when weseparate them out, right they're
you know, two challengingthings on their own together
it's a crisis, right?
And so really imposter syndromeis like an internalized
self-doubt right About yourintellect, about your skills,

(14:05):
about accomplishments, yourworthiness, and among high
achieving folks it reallyresults in a feeling like I'm a
fraud when you're actually justlooking to belong.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Right.
Belonging is internal, and soit's a historic dynamic of a
history of not belonging, ahistory of feeling underneath
what is acceptable or thestandard.
External, with all of theseideas around our environmental,

(14:47):
work conditions as women, aspeople of color.
There's so many differentpieces of that, but really, how
do we attack it?
I use the lock method L-O-Cright.
L is lean into the discomfort.
We are consumed with thesehistorical feelings of doubt.
Typically, right, we distanceourselves from discomfort In

(15:14):
moments when we are desiring tolean out.
We really need to be leaning in, engaging that discomfort,
engaging those feelings of I'mnot good enough.
Making attempts to lean innormalizes our tolerance or
window of tolerance of thesefeelings.
Right.
So show empathy to yourself,find the resource, emotional
signal and then, oh, so that isoffering belonging.

(15:36):
You first of all have to offerbelonging to yourself, right,
and so this internalized doubtof your skills and your ability
and your worthiness is connectedto a world where you feel like
you don't belong, and socreating spaces where you do is
important.
Environments where you feelempowered, capable, like

(15:59):
together in digital right,places where you feel like you
are at the top of your gamePersonally offers that belonging
back into the system, and thenC is really cultivating
curiosity.
Imposter syndrome creates afixed mindset.
Fear, insecurity are like theyjust lock you in, don't they

(16:22):
Right?
And so creativity can't coexistwith fear, and so offering
yourself self-compassion inorder to release that curiosity
is really key.
That lock L-O-C.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
I love it, Love a good framework and I love a good
framework.
It always really helps to kindof bring that back home.
I think, too, what's beenhelpful for me with this whole
imposter syndrome mentality isit is like a mentality I love
having language for things, butI don't like getting locked into
language that becomes a mindsetthat holds you captive.

(16:57):
Right, and I recently hadsomeone send me a commencement
speech given by the woman whofounded Girls who Code, and it
was really amazing because shetalked about the fact that there
used to be this thing calledbike face.
That was considered a syndromeand also the I'm sure you know

(17:17):
this that the initial researchfor imposter syndrome it was
actually called imposterphenomenon by the two
psychologists who first kind ofobserved it and it was really
more of these kind of moreprivileged women, white women,
typically in leadershippositions, who felt like they,
like you said, it was more alack of belonging or a sense of

(17:37):
and again, because there were noother women in the room right
Lack of belonging, and it wasless of that whole fraud and it
wasn't a syndrome, it wasn't anillness, and she talks about how
it was kind of more it became amore of a divisive term really
during during the women's rightsmovements, and then she kind of
relates it to bike face, whichwas something of a phenomenon as

(17:58):
well back in the 1800s as bikesbecame more accessible and went
from being that one big giantwheel to two equally
proportioned wheels and peoplewere riding bikes more often,
including women.
This was also during some of thewomen's rights movement and
this made women more mobilebecause women were not dependent
upon men to get them from placeto place, and dudes didn't like

(18:21):
it because the ladies could getfrom one place to the other,
which meant they could convene,and they didn't like it because
the ladies could get from oneplace to the other, which meant
they could convene, and theydidn't like that because if the
ladies got together they couldtalk about lady things and then
talk about their rights and thenthey might try to do things.
And so doctors were concernedand started spreading the word
about bike face and it wasessentially like bulging eyes
and red face and it wasdangerous and you should not be

(18:42):
riding bikes because you eyesand red face and it was
dangerous and you really did,you should not be riding bikes
because you could get bike face.
And so she really equated thiswhole notion of this cautionary
tale of bike face to impostersyndrome as a way in which to
sort of, you know, contain womenand hold them within their
place by perpetuating thisnotion of a syndrome.

(19:03):
And I was like oh snap.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
I never even thought about it like that, Never
thought about it like that.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
So I think that's where it's like your idea of
like cultivating curiosity, likestarting to kind of think about
, like why does this word?
Why, does this feeling, whydoes this notion have power?
And beginning to kind of havethat curiosity and explore these
things and just sort of seelike yeah, yeah, like how can I
let this not have power?
You know, anyways, I have toshare that every time I talk

(19:31):
about imposter syndrome.
Now I have to share bike faceto just let more people know.
Yeah, Love a good story and Ijust think it makes so much
sense.
I was like, oh, so thank youfor sharing it with me, and I
hope those who have listenedwill continue to perpetuate the
story, because it's like, okay,I'm seeing it, I'm seeing.
It's one of those things too.

(19:53):
It's like it's once.
It's like once you seesomething and learn something,
you can't really unlearn it,Right?
So then you're going to startto notice and see other other
syndromes out there.
Absolutely, let's talk a littlebit about leadership.
You've worked a lot with somepretty high-profile leaders.
What are some unique challengesthat these folks face in terms

(20:17):
of emotional wellness?
I mean, these tend to be somepretty high-profile and pretty
stressful jobs because at theend of the day, they're still
human right.
How do you help them navigateand manage some of these
challenges, particularly women?

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, absolutely, and so really, I think what you
just said is really important,at the base of any of our
experiences.
Whatever platform you have andwhatever job and life that
you're living in, you're human,and so the core issue is the
same Am I enough?
Am I doing the things that Isaid I wanted to do?

(20:55):
Am I living out the dreams thatI have destined for myself?
Do I feel supported?
Am I loved?
How am I seen?
How am I valued?
How am I?
You know, all of these thingsare really universal and they
come up in high profile folks.
Right, it's a really similarthing.
The challenge, if we put alayer of complexity on top of it

(21:16):
, is that it is really doused ina society that may not give
them a space to be broken, aspace to be human, right, right,
and so it creates this kind ofcocoon of sorts that is really,

(21:37):
really hard to find safety.
Yeah, it's hard to find safetywhen you're the one in the room
that is in charge of everyoneelse in the room.
Yeah, it's hard to be able tosay you, one in the room that is
in charge of everyone else inthe room, it's hard to be able
to say you know what I don'thave it today, when you are the
one responsible for everyoneelse having it today?

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Right.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
It becomes really, really difficult when you have
all of the eyes on you andyou're a public figure and
everyone is looking at how youmove and how you handle things
in order to judge you and yourefficiency.
And so, at the base level, sameconcerns, same concerns.

(22:14):
How do I juggle it all?
And the answer remains the sameIf you work with me, we don't.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Exactly, we don't take it all.
You're only human flesh andblood.
Yeah, gentle, gentle, how do wefind spaces for you to
cultivate, recover?
How do we dismantle harmfulbeliefs and mechanisms that are
really trying to createextinction in your humanity?

(22:43):
You know, create extinction inyour humanity?
How do we find soft places toland a tribe that holds you and
supports you, right?
How do we really, again,disentangle the views of other
people and the mechanism withwhich you work in?
How do we disentangle that fromhow you treat yourself?
Yeah, right, these are the samethings that we talk about with

(23:07):
everyone Complexity uponcomplexity, depending on what
platform you have, mm-hmm, andthe pressure that you feel to
perform right.
And if we think about highachievers, we're celebrated for
performing Right, and so if youthink about that just in your

(23:29):
circle, and then you have awhole system that you're part of
or leading, also celebrating,also celebrating your
productivity, efficiency, right,where is the space for your
humanity?
You have to make it foryourself.
You are also leading thisvessel that you've been

(23:51):
entrusted with and if youactually live out loud with that
level of vulnerability, itcreates a current of change in
your circle of influence forother people to begin looking at
themselves and creating spacefor their own humanity.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
I love that, I love that, so, so much.
I just want to.
That's a good thing, this isgetting recorded.
You can just play that y'allover and over and over again,
cause that's the kind ofleadership that needs to be
modeled, really, I think,because our society just
perpetuates this notion of thefact that, like, success breeds
love and admiration and it's.

(24:32):
It's just not the reality,because, especially if you're a
woman, um, it's a double-edgedsword, right, there's a whole
likeability penalty.
That's out there in theresearch, right, that Sheryl
Sandberg did, like gosh.
It's been over a decade nowwhere it just shows like women
are seen as less likable thehigher they climb, you know, and

(24:53):
so you think you're being toldby the world oh, the more
successful you are, the morepeople will love and admire you,
and it's like actually no, themore people are going to be
coming after you, the moreyou're constantly going to have
to defend yourself and the moreyou're going to have to look
inward trust, love, respect,value yourself.
Otherwise they're just going totear you down and it's going to

(25:15):
be as hard as hell and you'regoing to have to be as tough as
nails in order to do it.
I mean, I could just think oflike a good handful of
celebrities right now that havejust.
You know honestly, the womenspecifically that get put
through the mill, that livetheir principles, are all about
self-love and still are ready toquit and turn around and throw
up their hands because it isthat hard for them to not be

(25:38):
under a critical eye andconstantly judged.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yes, yes, yes, yes yes, yes.
Top three people in your lifethat create safety becomes the
number one mission.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
That's important.
I think that's a good point.
You know top three people.
That makes a lot of sense.
Let's talk a little bit aboutthis then, since you know, we're
saying you know, like I justsaid, a lot of people I think
kind of in their heads think youknow ambition leads to success,
success leads to love andadmiration.
What if we were to redefinesuccess and ambition and a

(26:12):
little bit, because to me itfeels like it's it's necessary
and it's a necessary step injust getting us all into the
right direction of just leadinghappier lives overall?
How can we start to shift ourperspective on success to
prioritize our emotionalwellness without necessarily

(26:34):
sacrificing our professionalgoals?

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah, at times you will have to sacrifice your
professional goals, buthopefully the redefining process
allows you to weed out what'snot supposed to be in your life.
But if we were to redefineambition, it really looks like
emotional wellness if we look atthe anatomy and the core of
what we really, really, reallydesire.

(27:01):
Right, it is not the landmarksof career success that people
find that it is right, it is thehuman attribute or human
ability that it gives you as aresult of getting to that height

(27:23):
it could be.
I want this promotion because Iwant more freedom.
I want this money in order tobe able to support my family.
I want to be able to ascend tothis height because it will give
me the sense of love andaffirmation that I need.
Right.
So at the core of really whatwe're reaching for, grinding for

(27:45):
ambition is really to beemotionally secure and safe.
Yeah, and so that's theredefinition.
To get really down to the coreis that I don't need this stuff.
I'm really pressing for theperson, the person in my mind

(28:06):
that I knew I could alwaysbecome, the person that is
really at the essence of my trueidentity If I was free, if I
was safe, if I had more money,if I didn't have to worry about
constraints, if I could beimaginative and playful.
This is really the success thatwe are innately, unconsciously
moving toward, and so making itmore prominent as a definition

(28:30):
just makes sense.
Right, will you sacrifice somethings in your life?
Yeah, you might, but you'llsacrifice it for what you truly,
truly need and what you trulydesire at the heart of who you
are, and so that's really thelife you want, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (29:02):
should be and I have seen that, like some really wise
folks in recent years, sort ofhave even opportunities come
their way and they'll say youknow what?
I'm not going to say no, I'mjust going to say not right now.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Because they just know that this isn't the time or
maybe the place for them.
And just having that innerknowing and wisdom is awesome
and amazing.
But I think you're right.
You have to take the time andintentionality to spend with
yourself and ask yourself why.
I think it's always interestingwhen I talk to certain women

(29:28):
and I appreciate the ambition,but they'll be like, well, I
want a new job.
And I'll say, okay, why?
Well, because I want more money.
Why, well, because I just wantmore money.
Why, I mean, are you destitute?
Are you having trouble to makeends meet?
Are you saving money for ahouse?
Well, I just want to make moremoney.
And I said, well, you're goingto make more money.

(29:49):
But then what?
Are you going to use that?
To travel more?
Are you going to give some tocharity?
Are you going to save forsomething that means something
to you Like?
What's the outcome?
Because at the end of the day,you know a couple more zeros
with no intentionality isn'tgoing to really make you happier
or more satisfied, or morefulfilled or, as we said, get

(30:10):
you to your truest sense of self.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
So I love it.
Great answer, so so true.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
All right, let's talk about you know, another
favorite topic.
I'm like we're hitting all thetrigger points imposter syndrome
, burnout.
Now let's say balance.
We're talking about balance.
Many folks struggle to balancetheir career ambitions with
their personal wellbeing.
What do you have any practicaladvice for finding this

(30:41):
so-called and I'm using airquotes here for those who are
just listening balance andmaintaining what you describe as
your personal agency?
And maybe, if you want, for ourlisteners who don't understand
that term, define a little bitof what personal agency means.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Absolutely so.
Your personal agency is yourability not only to feel a thing
but to do it Right, so to feelempowered enough to take the
action that you desire Right,and so that's personal agency.
The first piece of that is thefelt sense of ability,

(31:18):
confidence, capacity, and thenthe second portion of that is
the action.
I have the ability to act, Ihave the freedom to act, I have
the permission to act.
Personal agency is what we needin any aspect of our life to
really move from one place tothe next Right, and balance is
really is quite triggering for alot of people.

(31:40):
Right, because we've tried touse that word in so many ways,
and I was at a retreat.
I was in a wellness retreatthat I do every year, and I
heard in one of the kind ofbreakout sessions that we had a
word that felt so true and thefacilitator talked about,

(32:00):
instead of balance, he's reallymoving towards harmony.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Oh, I like that.
I find integration, but I thinkI like harmony even better.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yes, yes, harmony is what it is that we seek, because
one day we may need 75% of this, the next day we need 25% of
that same thing.
And so, finding balance, we'llnever find the formula.
There is no formula for life.
It's really all about harmony.
It's about being able tounderstand the things that

(32:30):
you're working towards meansomething to you, and when they
don't mean something to you,it's time for them to fade out.
And so, seeking harmony,practical steps to seek harmony,
is always going to start withyour intuitive guidance.
It's always going to start withhow do I know what I'm doing?
Is what I'm supposed to bedoing?

(32:51):
That is in silence, that is inmeditation, that is in really
sitting with the self.
That is in meditation, that isin really sitting with the self.
And it's also integration,finding integration between what
I do personally and what mymission is professionally.

(33:12):
And so, as I am doing somethingprofessionally, it's not taking
away from my personalexperience, it's adding to it.
It is one path right.
And oftentimes we use the wordbalance because we feel as if
they're diametrically opposed orthere's just two worlds.
Synergizing them, integratingthem, allows you to say you know

(33:37):
what today?
My mission today is efficiency,so I'm going to do that with my
kids.
I'm going to do that in mymeetings.
I'm going to do that with theways that I'm treating myself
emotionally.
I'm also going to cut a couplethings off of my list today,
because it's not efficient to do10 things instead of eight,

(33:59):
right, or?
My mission and intention todayis love, and so everything that
I do, I'm going to infuse lovein my conversations as I get on
the call with a professionalcolleague to ask them how
they're doing, to give them aword of affirmation.
I'm going to do the same thingwith my kids today, right, and
whatever gets in the way of memoving towards that intention,

(34:20):
it gets off the list.
And that love extends to myself.
Right, I'm going to be lovingwith myself, I'm going to be
gracious with myself.
Right, that's harmony, and so,as we're thinking about harmony,
it really helps us to draw uponconstructs that are softer,

(34:42):
softer, more emotionallycentered, grounded, right,
versus formulas, yeah, right,and so, yeah, that's that sense
of harmony.
How do I really really do justenough?

Speaker 1 (35:00):
I love that just enough, because everything that
you just gave there as anexample was nothing huge,
nothing tremendous, nothingoverwhelming high over achievers
.
We don't have to change theworld in a day.
It's those small, tiny set, onesmall intention and just kind
of drop it into the instances ofyour day and little increments.

(35:24):
I love that.
I kind of want to come back tothis personal agency a little
bit, because I do get this sensethat it's definitely something
a lot of us could use.
You know, help or support andideas in building a sense of
personal agency, because a lotof folks have a sense of things

(35:45):
happen to me versus for me.
So for those who are listening,who don't feel like they have a
good, strong sense of personalagency, how do we start to build
that?

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Oh, yes, good.
So personal agency again.
First part is confidence.
Confidence is really just livedexperience, right, experiential
knowledge that I've done this afew times and I feel more
comfortable, safer, being ableto believe that I can do it
again.
Right, and so, building a senseof personal agency you need

(36:15):
clocked hours of doing a thing,attempting something that's
challenging.
Right, and so it could be.
I have personal agency issues inmy relationships, right, and so
I'm going to have some attemptstowards speaking up.
I'm going to make some attemptstowards saying what it is that

(36:37):
I need.
Right, I'm going to do that asmuch as possible to begin to
learn and rely on the abilitythat I am gaining.
Right, and so that's the firstpart.
Experiential knowledge Do it asmuch as possible.
Lean in that's the lock method.
Lean into the discomfort.

(36:57):
Well, I don't know how to dothat.
I know you don't know until youknow.
Let's try, let's experiment,let's be creative, right, and
then that second part of thepersonal agency is to really
take action.
Right, first part of takingaction is writing down what you

(37:19):
feel like you need to takeaction on.
Right, it could be I need tochange my career.
That is the action I'm going tolead up to it.
I'm going to work on theconfidence to do it, but I
actually do know the answer isthe action is I need to change
my job right.
The action is I need adifferent dynamic in my marriage
, different dynamic in mymarriage that it's taking away

(37:44):
from my ability to move forward.
That's the action.
I'm going to identify what theaction is right and then I'm
going to get resource.
I'm going to resource it asmuch as possible.
How can I actually move on thataction, the support, the
accountability, the compassion.
Who are the people that aregoing to help move you to where

(38:08):
you need to be?
The people that say, hey,what's going on with the
applications?
You said wait, but you said youwere.
What's going on with theapplications?
What can I do to support you?
Do you need me to?
What's going on with theapplications?
Yeah, what can I do to supportyou?
Do you need me to come over sowe can do them together?
Yeah, right, what's in betweenyou and acting?

(38:28):
Let's talk through it.
Let's talk every Friday.
Every Friday, let's talk aboutit.
Who are the people that areactually going to support you
and hold you accountable andalso do that in a compassionate
way.
Right, that actually will modelthat for you as well.
So, clocked time it really issometimes that easy, right?

(38:53):
There are some folks thatpersonal agency was taken or was
never modeled.
Gotcha, yeah, that makes a lotof sense.
Therapy is really helpful inidentifying how and when that
happened and creating healing.
So for some people, that's thefirst step.

(39:15):
Yeah, right, see, that personalagency was dangerous, it was a
threat, it was a problem and itcontinues to be a problem, maybe
in my dynamic, in my life, andso therapy helps us to get clear
on that.
Coaching can sometimes I workwith my clients on that.
What is the threat?
Because your body is feeling it.
You don't have to overlook it.

(39:36):
Not lazy yeah, you're not lazy,right.
You're disempowered because ofsomething that you needed to
survive.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Right, yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
There are a couple on ramps.
But working through thathealing and then the clock time
that builds confidence, and thenthe support internally and
externally to get that personalagency, that's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Thank you so much.
Yeah, I could see how for somepeople that feels like very bold
moves and I could also see howfor some, that might need like
therapy to kind of get to thatpoint.
So great, great answer.
Thank you for that, and I don'tknow if that kind of like
starts to actually almost answerthe next question that I was
going to ask.
But you talk a lot aboutemotional wellness planning, so

(40:23):
I was curious if we could kindof dive into that a little bit
and what that is and howindividuals can integrate this
into their lives to better alignboth their ambition and their
mental health.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yes, In order to do anything.
I think I'm biased because I'min psychology.
I believe understanding yourbackground's important, right,
that we can apply all kinds ofstrategy to a new company If we
don't do any market research,it's null and void, right.
And so understanding yourselfis a first part of emotional

(40:57):
wellness planning, right.
What is it that I need?
What are the historic dynamicsin childhood, in my early life,
in my present life, that createcertain vulnerabilities to me?
Right, I need to know that,because if it is fear as a
result of trauma, it's fear inthe boardroom, it's fear in

(41:19):
doing the nonprofit, it's fearin how I talk to my colleagues.
It's everywhere.
And so the planning comes inidentifying harmful beliefs
about who you are and how you'vebeen shaped, and understanding
what are the key interventionsand strategies you need to
really overcome thosepsychological issues.

(41:41):
Right, and then, on top of that, it is what is the ritual
wellness plan that helps medirectly address these
vulnerabilities?
Right, if it is for a personspeaking up.
Right For a person speaking up.
Right If that's their kind oftheir psychological dynamic from

(42:04):
being in a high household wherespeaking up was connected to
danger or threat or it wasreally really not celebrated in
the family.
For that person, havingenvironments where speaking up
is modeled is a ritual, right?
So being in spaces again, liketogether in digital, not in you
speaking up first no, you're notgoing to do that at first,
You're going to watch it, right,you're going to immerse

(42:27):
yourself in it, right, and thatis a ritual.
That is something that I'veplanned to do to begin
normalizing this tendency withinmy life, and it could be that
as a result of that, if wefollow that thread the same
person speaking up as an issuebecause there's internalized

(42:48):
fear about who I am I'm going toalso develop a practice that
helps to regulate my nervoussystem, because that was
probably an issue for me Anxietywas probably an issue for me,
not feeling resourced enough,and so now I'm in environments
that are really teaching me howpeople speak up so I can see it.

(43:10):
It's modeled.
And then also in my dailypractice, I am now finding
strategy in calming the nervoussystem when it becomes activated
, right.
So now I have that as a tool anda strategy and I put that into
my plan, right, and then also,as a result of that, I maybe

(43:32):
even shy away from professionsthat require me or positions
that require me to speak up,that require me or positions
that require me to speak upright, it's really really a part
of your big life everywhere,right, and so, as a result of
that, now a part of my ritual isI'm beginning to investigate
spaces that are requiring me tospeak up, that I have really a

(43:57):
desire to be in, right, and soI'm starting to look those up.
I'm researching those.
That's a part of my plan.
It could be that I have aspiritual dynamic that I feel
powerless, and so I'm going toput myself in places where I can
give back to people and empowerthem as I'm empowering myself.

(44:20):
That's a part of my plan.
My charitable benevolence is apart of my plan, right, and so
emotional wellness planning isreally understanding yourself
and creating daily practicesthat help you resolve some of
the psychological dynamics thatyou have, as well as
interjecting some of these intohow you do your professional

(44:44):
life.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
I love it.
That's, it's wonderful.
I think a lot of this too.
I'm kind of curious, like thisisn't a question that I had
written before, but has some ofthis sort of helped some of the
women that you've worked withsort of look at and evolve and
shape their leadership style?

Speaker 2 (45:03):
as well.
Absolutely Mm-hmm.
Because when we are seen, whenwe see ourself, it's easier for
us to see another person.
Compassion begets morecompassion, right, and so, as a
leader, being able to accessempathy, compassion, emotional

(45:23):
attunement meaning we'reactually listening to the
dynamic of what a person istrying to convey to us right,
that changes how you arefundamentally as a leader.
Having mindfulness as astrategy before you go into
meetings, you know that you'rekind of thinking about so many
things and you're dysregulated.
Mindfulness is how I start ameeting.

(45:43):
Not only will you do that foryourself, but then what if you
and I've had women do this.
What if you start your businesscall with a 60 minute or 60
seconds, excuse me, a 60 secondmindfulness practice?
First of all, you know you needit, and if I need it, others
need it.
And now you become thisempathic.

(46:08):
Become this empathic, mindfulleader that recognizes your
circle of influence is so muchmore impacted by your presence
than your productivity.
Yep, yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Change game changer.
I agree, I absolutely agree, andI think it's kind of goes back
to something we were talkingabout earlier is just bringing
more of that humanity intoleadership and how we model it.
Because I also think that a lotof times the reason why we feel
this sense of imposter syndromeor a lack of belonging is
because sometimes we kind ofcome into these spaces where we

(46:46):
are being ambitious or we'replaying the part of someone
who's successful or a leader,and we realize that we aren't
living our truest selves andthat's in conflict with our
values and that just doesn'tfeel well and it doesn't sit
well within our sense of selfand value and purpose.
And so it's like, oh, I'vegotten this place, but I don't

(47:06):
feel like I got here because ofliving out my sense of values or
morals, and now I'm notbehaving in a way that feels
right for me.
I'm acting out in a way that is, you know, maybe idealized
leadership, which has beenmodeled for me but isn't right
for me, right?
So I think I love all of theseexercises and reflective

(47:29):
practices you're giving us,because I do think it's a really
great way to kind of be a morethoughtful and intentional
leader and just really allowthat space for all of us and
really hopefully produce a nextgeneration of more thoughtful
and intentional leaders.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
That's right and I will say this, amy sometimes
what we do as leaders, we maynot actually come into moments
with solutions.
We list solutions right, thatwe know how to get the
deliverables right, but do weactually know how to offer an
empathic solution Like you knowwhat?
You know what helps me?

(48:06):
15 minutes at the end of theday, I really sit and I reflect
on the day and it's called mytea time and I really sit
through it.
That is a strategy that you givesomeone, not just hey, we need
it in the morning.
I'm sorry.
Yes, we need it in the morning.
And this is what's helpful tome Meditation, the calm app.

(48:30):
You know what Our company hasthe calm app.
It's cheaper.
You should get it.
It's helpful.
Offer real solutions.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Yeah, I agree, I agree, I think it goes a long
way for employee productivity,employee retention, employee
satisfaction.
It's just, it's like all thesecompanies are really struggling
with employee engagement,retention, all these things, and
it just it seems like such a atleast in my opinion.
I'm like it's kind of a nobrainer.
You know, it's just, it's youneed.

(48:59):
You're just not investing inthe right places and you're just
not treating them like humansand you're not recognizing that
you're human and you know it'sjust.
You know, at some point they'regoing to come to the

(49:35):
realization that I very muchrealities for a lot of us.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Yeah.
So I am a big believer in likethe quarterly check in right.
So typically my clients, werecognize that we have a
aggressive plan of resting andso every six to eight weeks
there's a rest period.
It could be that I take aFriday off, right.

(49:59):
It could be that I'm coming inlate on Monday, it could be that
I've got to work most of theday, but the way that I'm
curating my environment is withmeditation, music in the back,
it's, with beautiful sounds andsmells, so there's got to be
some rest, and so integratingthat into your work is a

(50:21):
strategy.
But I'm a big believer in thequarterly inventory.
It's a holistic inventory.
I call it the four corners.
But being able to look at yourlife emotionally, spiritually,
physically, psychologically,right and assessing where you

(50:41):
are, this is really big for thehigh achiever, because we can
blow past these moments ofactually sitting with ourselves
and identifying what we need.
So we can't get towardimplementation without that
mindfulness.
So that's the first thing.

(51:03):
And so if you, let's say,spiritually, you're finding that
I'm not really tapping intoanything greater than myself.
I'm not a part of any charities, I'm not a part of any
societies that are really givingback to anybody.
I'm not doing any spiritualdynamics and so I really need to
, in this next quarter, leaninto that.
So I'm going to plan, I'm goingto integrate how I can improve

(51:29):
my spiritual life into the nextsix to eight weeks, and so that
means I might go and get alittle brother, little sister,
to be able to kind of give themthings for their school and pour
into them.
It might mean that I'm going todo more meditation and yoga and
I'm going to block out the nextsix weeks and I'm going to

(51:50):
preload and plan that so that Idon't have to worry about it.
And so those kind of check-insare really important for high
achievers as well as collectives.
Are you a part of anycollective that is offering to
you a moment to think about yourmental health, not just what

(52:11):
you do, but how you do it?
If we're not in collectivesthat are celebrating it and
talking about it, it's not verycommon.
And so integrating, being apart of a collective that talks
about how you do things andbeing active in it is a
beautiful reminder that this isthe mission I have in life,

(52:34):
right?
And then, lastly, it is if youcan teach.
I learned this going to school,doing pre-med, even though I
changed.
Going to pre-med, one of myprofessors would often tell me
if you can teach it, youprobably know it Right.
And so in what way are youteaching other people, other
women, right?
Are you teaching other womenhow to do things?

(52:56):
How are you kind of channelingyour inner Amy to say, hey, how
do I create a space where I amintentional about how I'm
helping other people think abouttheir emotional and mental
health and integrate that intoyour schedule, into your life,

(53:16):
into the way that you're showingup?
You're not just checking boxes.
If you're living, hear, startliving intentionally and
purposefully.

(53:36):
Changing people's lives,changing your own life, should
be at the top of your list, yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
I agree, your tombstone will not have that
checklist on it.
It will not have that checkliston it and I love that idea of
that quarterly check-in.
I instituted at the beginningof this year what I call my
quarterly me treats, which mynext one is next Wednesday,
where I take the day off and Ido something for myself.

(54:10):
Last quarter was I'm going tothe art museum and I legit spent
like an hour and a half in oneindigenous art, like glass art,
like exhibit and cause I usuallygo with my kids and I can't, I
can't stay and look or readanything.
And the guy when I came out waslike, oh God, you were in there
for a long time.
I was like, yeah, no, kids, Icould read every placard, I

(54:31):
could study every piece, Iwatched every video.
You bet I was in there for anhour and a half.
Buddy, I'm thinking I might goto the zoo next week because I
love the zoo and I never reallyget the chance to like really
take my time and you know oftaking the time to sort of like
journal, reflect, look at kindof all of the aspects of my life

(54:52):
.
I like to use LifeWheel I thinkit's like LifeWheelio maybe is
the website.
We'll include it in the shownotes.
But you know, if the idea is,is that if now we're redefining
ambition, is, you know, workingtowards being our truest and our
best selves.
And yeah, you need to kind ofalmost operate like you might a
business and you're going tocheck in with yourself quarterly
and you're going to say, am Igoing in the right direction?

(55:13):
And if you're not checking inwith yourself, you're not
staying the course, you're notstaying the path.
And it is, you're right, it'sso, so easy, because we put
everyone and everything elsefirst to sort of not have that
check in and I live by mycalendar.
I am a productivity nerd, sothat's why I do make that
intention.
At the beginning of the year Isaid these are my dates and you

(55:35):
know, if something major comesup and I've got to move it, I
move it.
I don't cancel it, I move it,but it still happens.
But that's definitely been onething that I've implored this
year.
That's been really helpful, soI'm going to layer in your
evaluation along with that.
I think that's a great idea.
All right, we've got a fewminutes left, so I want to make

(55:56):
sure our live listening audienceknows that they can ask
questions as well.
Just use the chat.
I'll keep an eye on the chatfor that.
Otherwise, I'm going to justask you our last few questions
that we've got here as we beginto wrap things up.
But don't be shy, folks, if youhave questions.
Workplace wellness is prettycritical for our overall health,
especially in our currenteconomy where there's been a lot
of layoffs, a lot oforganizational changes and

(56:17):
shifts.
What is it that organizationscould do in particular to help
support their employees'emotional wellness effectively?

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Oh great, okay, good Organizations really care about
it.
Have a town hall, have a momentto really think about and
assess the wellness of yourpersonnel.
Ask them, they will tell you.
Ways of doing that are havinglistening circles, bringing in a
mental health professional tobe able to have moments where
they can talk about how they'refeeling and assess where they

(56:48):
are in the process, withoutjudgment and without punity.
Right, and also, after we haveassessed it, let's look at
programs that will allow us toaddress these issues right.
Again, it could be a quarterlylunch and learn.
It could be an ERG group whereyou bring in someone that can

(57:09):
talk about burnout, talk aboutimposter syndrome, talk about
meditation and mindfulness.
I've seen folks have wellnessactivations where they have half
day off and then they are justhave the half day is a wellness.
So they have yoga people thatcome in.
They have massage therapiststhat come in.
They have folks that areallowing people to talk about

(57:32):
and have office hours to talkabout what they care about, and
then resource, resource,resource.
Oftentimes, people, theirmental health, are impacted
because they don't have enoughresources.
Help us.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
All right, throw us a lifeline.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
And so you know, actually listen to what the
resources are and provide themextra time, extra personnel.
You know the things that theyneed that actually feel people
are addressing them.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Yeah, Listen and support.
Listen and then act.
Don't just listen and be likeokay.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
But you know what's so interesting?
Even if you listen, there's somuch effectiveness in there.
There's a lot of research onthat.
Even if a person feels thatyou're having empathic listening
, it changes their ability tostill stay in the game and be
resilient.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Oh, 100%.
This is why, at TogetherDigital, we have a channel just
for social yelling.
That's quite therapeutic.
You just, in all caps, yellwhatever you need to yell into
the abyss and I mean peoplesometimes say things and share
emojis or whatever but reallyit's just there for you to just
get it out and people hear you.
Yes, absolutely.
We had a great question come infrom Elizabeth, so I want to

(58:49):
make sure we ask it reallyquickly before we wrap up how
can you distinguish thedifference between a regular
career burnout and I need acareer change burnout?

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Ooh, great question, Elizabeth.
Absolutely.
Is it chronic or not, Right?
No matter how the job changes,no matter how the seasons change
, I'm busy, I'm not busy.
I have a project.
I don't have a project.
It's summer, it's fall.
I'm always irritable, alwayslack of creativity, always I

(59:20):
don't really tap into my flow,state meaning I just really feel
good about doing this.
It's really difficult for me totap into that, no matter how
much the circumstances change.
It may be that this entireindustry is an issue, right?

(59:40):
Especially if you've changedpositions.
Change positions and see oh, Ichanged and I still don't love
it.
Oh, I changed and I still don'tlove it.
Okay, I might be in a situationwhere I need a career change.
The other side of that isaddress the burnout first, no
matter what it is.
Address the burnout, Recovery,rest, take time off.

(01:00:03):
I have people take six weekshort-term leave in order to
really really rest.
If you're feeling like you'rehaving a breakdown, take a
moment, take two weeks andactually search and find the
curiosity you once had as a kidthat felt really good and just

(01:00:25):
something that makes me feelgood.
Explore that and tap back intothat to see you know if that
gives you some wisdom.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
I love that.
That was one thing I wasfloored to learn.
We lived in the UK for abouttwo years and we had a friend
who was going through somemental health struggles and he
took six weeks stress leave.
I was like that's a thing, youcould just take stress leave
here and he got paid full for it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Yes, it's called stress syndrome.
Is the the code?

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
That's amazing, like we need to know that that's a
thing and that we can take thatas an option.
Possibly one more quickquestion.
I know we're at time, but Ijust love that people are asking
and these are important things,so as long as you're good,
we'll ask Okay, cool.
Stephanie wants to know whattips do you have for dealing
with executive dysfunction anddifficulties taking care of
yourself and your home when youjust feel too worn out after

(01:01:16):
work?

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
I think there was a study on this, I forget what
publication.
A journalist asked me aboutthis recently.
It's um.
Kids come out after kids leaveschool.
They have like a kind of aletdown of emotions at the end
of the day and that kind ofdecompensate.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
I have a seven year old.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
I'm like I know this I don't know the name, but it is
a thing.
Yeah, yeah, I think that wasHuffington post but you just a
decompensation and people adultsare having that decompensation
right, and so sometimes youreally actually need to have
moments where you decompensate.
If you have a partner, thatwould be great and allow your

(01:02:03):
partner to know.
I'm at the cliff here, I'm atthe edge, and I really need a
moment of being able to getoutside, being able to do
something that regulates thebody while the brain rests, and
so tap it right and thenexperiment with that to see if
you need that in your dailypractice Also.

(01:02:23):
Secondly, what are things thathelp to regulate that nervous
system?
Because your synapses, yourbrain, works a lot better when
you have regular meditation,regular regulation practices.
So that's the short answer.
That's a kind of layeredquestion, but hopefully that's
helpful.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Yeah, it is.
Yeah, I was going to say I likedoing my heart centered,
breathing, so focusing ongetting my my heart rhythm kind
of lower so that my brain slowsdown, or putting my hands on my
head to slow down my thinking,meditation.
But one thing I've noticedsince the pandemic to working
from home the separation betweenhome and work.
We don't have that drive home.

(01:03:07):
That was my decompression timewas I would leave the office and
have a 20 minute drive home.
So, stephanie, give yourselfthat time.
If you are going straight fromyour home office back downstairs
to maybe start doing the homethings, what kind of
decompression time do you allotfor yourself?
Maybe in your office or homespace?
Maybe you go out and go for aquick walk around the block.

(01:03:29):
Maybe it's a different activitybefore you go downstairs.
But consider that maybe thatmight be part of the issue as
well.
I don't know exactly what yoursituation is, but that's just a
thought.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
That regression is key, though.
Let yourself regress.
I'm serious.
Have a tantrum, literally allowyourself, because there's
something in you that is tryingto come out.
So if you have your partner oryou have someone that can help
you or it's in the car, regress,yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Yeah, absolutely Wonderful.
Thank you so much again.
I just it's so great to haveyou here with us to talk about
all of these things and again,we could talk for a solid two
hours.
So you know I'm sure we'll haveyou back at some point.
But again, thank you all somuch.
We will include links for allof you so that you can get in
touch with Aquina and you knowfollow what she's doing and you

(01:04:20):
know if you need to reach outand you'd like to talk with her
or learn any more about the workthat she's doing, you can do
that as well.
Thank you so much, akua.
It was wonderful being with youtoday.
Enjoy the long weekend everyone.
Thank you so much for beingwith us here today.
We hope to see you all nextweek.
Until then, please keep asking,keep giving and keep growing.
Until then, take care, bye.

(01:04:41):
La.
Produced by Heartcast Media.

All Episodes

Balancing Ambition with Emotional Wellness | S3 E18

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

Boysober

On Purpose with Jay Shetty

Dateline NBC

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Balancing Ambition with Emotional Wellness | S3 E18