January 27, 2025 • 58 mins
Welcome to another episode of "The Power Lounge." This week, our host Amy Vaughan, Chief Empowerment Officer of Together Digital, sits down with Rachel DesRochers, an entrepreneur and community builder whose ventures are rooted in the practice of gratitude. In this episode titled "Gratitude in Action," Rachel shares her journey of founding multiple businesses, including Grateful Grahams, the Incubator Kitchen Collective, and the women’s initiative Power to Pursue. Rachel and Amy discuss the importance of incorporating gratitude into daily life and career, offering insights for reshaping mindset, fostering connections, and navigating challenges in entrepreneurship. Tune in to hear how Rachel’s commitment to gratitude has sustained her through tough times and propelled her ventures to create positive change within her community. Whether you're an aspiring entrepreneur or seeking a new perspective on your path, this episode is filled with wisdom you won't want to miss. Join us in the lounge and discover the power of gratitude in action.
Connect with Rachel:
Rachel DesRochers
Founder of Grateful Grahams
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachel-desrochers-b2356760/
Episode Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction
05:18 - Trust Building for Efficiency and Reduced Turnover
00:00 - Introduction
03:40 - The Role of Gratitude in Career Choices
07:56 - Cultivating Authentic Connections Online
11:02 - Atomic Habits: The Importance of Consistency
14:38 - The Influence of Gratitude in Business
16:06 - Launch of Grateful Grahams at Whole Foods
22:15 - The Value of Taking a Moment for Gratitude
23:23 - Embracing Mindfulness and Wisdom
28:01 - Stephanie's Influence in Editorial Work
31:44 - Exploring Emotions Through Language
33:30 - Balancing Intuition, Gratitude, and Achievement
37:19 - The Challenges of Compartmentalization
38:51 - Sharing Gratitude and Reflection
43:25 - The Significance of Rest and Recharge
47:56 - Balancing Social Needs with Relaxation
51:04 - How Anticipation Fuels Happiness
54:01 - Understanding the Concept of Love Languages
58:02 - Outro
Quote of the Episode:
"Power to Pursue is my passion—our movement creates a safe space for women to feel seen, heard, and loved." -- Rachel DesRochers
"Abundance starts with recognizing the riches you already have; if you want more income, connections, or time, appreciate what’s at your fingertips." -- Rachel DesRochers
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hello everyone and welcome to our weekly power
lounge.
This is your place to hearauthentic conversations from
those who have power to share.
My name is Amy Vaughn and I amthe owner and chief empowerment
officer of Together Digital, adiverse and collaborative
community of women who work indigital and choose to share
their knowledge, power andconnections.
You can join the movement attogetherindigitalcom, and today
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I am so thrilled because we arediving into something that has
the power to truly revolutionizethe way that you do business
and life, and that is gratitudewith action, in action, in
action.
I am thrilled to welcome fellowbusiness owner and dear friend,
rachel DeRochers, a remarkableentrepreneur who has built
multiple successful ventureswith gratitude at the core, from
(00:57):
the Grateful Grams to theIncubator Kitchen Collective.
Rachel shows us how leading withpurpose creates ripples of
positive change in business andcommunity For our live audience
who's joining us today.
Thank you so much for takingthe time to be here.
We always appreciate youlistening in live.
Bonus, you get to ask yourquestions, so don't be shy.
(01:17):
Leave comments in the chat, askquestions if you have them, if
there's anything that you wouldlike to know more.
We love the curiosity, so feelfree to bring it your insights
and curiosity truly do makethese conversations richer.
Rachel, so grateful to sing ofgratitude, grateful to have you
here with us today.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Thank you so much.
Thank you for having me.
Truly, it always feels like anhonor to take time out and share
the work, but like also justconnect in with women a love
language.
So thank you a ton.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah, I got to meet Rachel.
I think it's been maybe alittle over a year.
I kind of just sought her out.
Fellow businesswoman in thecommunity, a tremendous
community builder, contributor,just so many alignments and like
passion, and so it's justwonderful now to have gotten to
know you over this last year anda half and to witness and see
all the amazing things you'vedone Well and partner with you
(02:15):
Like.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I think that's the nice thing I love about so much
of us and this work is like westart collecting the
collaborators you know, and sowhat we did with Startup Sensi
Week together and, just like youknow, it's so important when
women leaders show the impactand amplification that
supporting and coming togetherwith other women actually have
(02:38):
versus the scarcity mindset somuch of us have to unlearn,
right.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Absolutely.
Yeah, I've been listening tothis really good masterclass.
It talks about the 49ers coachand how he says the score takes
care of itself, and that hasbeen like stuck in my head
because the philosophy is thatwhen you unite people with like
a common sense of like value andtrust and collaboration, like
everyone goes farther andeveryone moves farther faster.
(03:04):
And so he was always never oneabout like looking at the
scoreboard and saying, like it'sall about the this.
I mean the stats are important,sure, the metrics are important
, but at the end of the day,right, it's like that, and I
just it was such a big unlockfor me to help me sort of begin
to articulate what it means tohave and even build community,
(03:24):
because it mobilizes so many andreally, truly the success
almost takes care of itself whenyou're open enough to show up
and be a part of community.
So I know both of us share thatpassion and we probably could
have a whole nother podcastconversation on community okay,
2025 watch out right, we'rebringing it rising tide lifts
all boats yeah, right, I mean um, we're better together, for
(03:48):
sure.
Absolutely so.
I want to get into gratitude,though, because I do think
that's something that's just,it's a fantastic practice of
yours.
I see it and not you don't justsay it, you do it.
You know all the time, whetheryou're in person with people or
through your social mediachannels, you definitely are a
(04:08):
person who practices gratitude,and I just love seeing that
being modeled and reminding me,and you know we've got a lot of
listeners and members here whoare reshaping their careers and
considering transitions, and youhave made quite a few, my
friend, and I'm curious to hearfrom you how gratitude has
guided you on your own sort ofmaybe more pivotal career
decisions.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, so can I just reverse quickly and just maybe
share a little bit?
Would it be important to like,maybe just quickly, bio of the
things, please?
And then it'll lay forward thatanswer.
Because one, I think gratitudeis me.
I am it right.
It's been a practice that I'vehad since I was seven, eight or
(04:52):
nine, like I just.
I was given to me very youngand I'm thankful for that.
But I started my entrepreneurjourney in 2010, literally
starting a company calledGrateful Grams whose mission it
was to spread the message ofgratitude and build community.
You know, I always said withGrateful Grams we were a
gratitude company that made acookie.
We weren't a cookie companythat talked about gratitude.
(05:14):
And from there we opened theIncubator Kitchen Collective.
It's a nonprofit shared usecommercial kitchen space for
food entrepreneurs.
We have Good and Local, whichis our food show and food
education program.
Power to Pursue is my love.
It's a women's empowermentmovement that we've been
building here in the last fouryears with the mission to create
a safe space for women to beseen, heard and loved in.
(05:36):
And then there's this RachelBucket, where I do a lot of
speaking and consulting.
I have a book coming out, agratitude journal coming out.
And so you know, amy, back tothat question of how has it?
Gratitude has caught me everysingle time I have fallen down.
You know, I had a call thismorning.
(05:57):
I spoke in Italy in Decemberand so I just did a mentoring
session with one of theentrepreneurs there and she
asked, and she said I getstressed, right.
And then I also think that Ican't stop working.
And even in that which is sucha common thing, I think, for
founders right, like we'reworkaholics is that gratitude
(06:19):
starts, laying groundwork foryou to actually see what's being
done, because we're so much inthinking about the 32 things
that have to be completed and inall, reality is like we have
clean drinking water.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I have a laptop that I can call and do this podcast
with you.
My house is warm, you know, andso it's this opportunity,
because I truly believe, likethe lack or the path of
abundance starts with that.
Like, if you are a creator whowants more, if you want more
income, if you want moreconnections, if you want more
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time with your kids, like itdoesn't matter what the more is
Right.
If you're not looking at whatis actually already happening
and taking place and the richesthat you actually already have
at your fingerprints, we'remissing the whole point.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, yeah, see, already you got me feeling more
grateful.
We're like that.
What five minutes in You're soright and it's like the law of
attraction, right, the thingsthat you pay attention to and
the things you give gratitude toyou find more abundance in that
.
And I do think as a businessowner you know scarcity mindset
is such an easy place to getinto right Because you might be
limited on resources.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
We need a staff of 10 and we can afford somebody 10
hours a week Like well.
Welcome to entrepreneurship.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Absolutely so.
I do think your mindset herejust really just breathes a
whole lot of new life andperspective into how we look at
our work and the business thatwe do.
So even if you don't own yourbusiness and you work at a job
that you're kind of likequasi-miserable, it's so easy to
notice the negative right.
Our brains are sort ofpre-programmed right For the
sake of survival, to notice thenegative and you have the power
(08:04):
to reprogram, yes, and to findgratitude, because I think also
when you find gratitude you'remore prone to see the
opportunities, because you'renot always looking at the
barriers and roadblocks.
Yeah, so good.
So obviously you've built acouple of communities from
scratch, as you mentionedearlier.
As you were kind of giving us aquick rundown in your bio, I'm
curious if you could share someinsights with our members about
(08:25):
what it means to create, or howthey can begin to create, more
authentic connections in anincreasingly virtual world.
A lot of our members andlisteners are working with
teammates that they may never bein the same room with, or be
managing people that they're notin the same room with.
What are some ways that youhave found to kind of make those
authentic connections happen?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
The thing that I say, that nobody likes to hear is
you've got to show up.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
And it's hard.
I you don't think we're not alltired, right?
I'm a single mom, three kids,not all tired.
I'm a single mom, three kidshaving the time of her life, and
(09:14):
I have to show up.
I still have to show up,whether it's virtually and
whether it's in person.
But when you get asked, whenyou get an offer, when you have
an opportunity, you have thechoice in that moment to take it
or not.
And what I know is on the mostexhausted nights when I've
pushed, I've met one personwho's made a difference for me.
I've made one connection.
It isn't about 32 connections,it's about one singular connect
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and the power that one personcan have on everything for you.
And the ripple and so you knowit's the behind the scenes work
of what's holding you back fromshowing up.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You don't feel like you belong, you don't feel
worthy, you have fear of missingout.
It's the juggle you know youget invited to so much.
How do you choose?
Yeah, ask yourself, and letit's kind of like when you spin
the map.
You remember as a kid you'dspin the map and be okay with
where that lands, because youalso.
(10:16):
There is also like a dating inthis connection community place
too, whether it's with your team, whether it's with friends,
where you have to kind ofmassage out a little to say like
, where are my people?
That's what I think is soempowering with Power to Pursue
is that's the thing I've heardthe most.
(10:37):
But I think I hear it.
It's because the women that areshowing up aren't coming with
the lens that I'm the best.
The women that are showing uparen't coming with the lens that
I'm the best.
The women are coming andshowing up with, oh my gosh, I
can meet like-minded women who Iknow will listen to me and who
I can feel safe enough to askfor help, and so like it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, I think it's.
You're right, it's about beingintentional.
It is showing up a hundredthousand percent, it absolutely
is, and it's sort of even likeum gosh, again, get back to that
.
Like, uh, I was, we are readinggroup within together.
Digital is re.
Some of us are rereading, someof it are reading it for the
first time.
James, clear, autonomous, atomichabits.
And one tool for this might besay you do struggle with some
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social anxiety and maybe you'vebeen burned before by other
groups or other people.
Um, he had an example of thisgentleman that literally like,
was like obviously overweight,like hundreds of pounds, and he
decided that he was going tojust show up to the gym, drive
to the gym, pull into theparking lot and then drive home.
A couple of times he's like Imight not get up and go in, but
(11:45):
I can at least show up.
And there was something aboutshowing up that really helped
him be like okay, well, now I'mgoing to get in and I'm going to
go to the gym and I'm onlygoing to stay for five minutes.
And so he gradually increasedhis time.
So, even if it's a little bitof like a mindset trick to
yourself to say, okay, I reallydon't necessarily feel up to
going to this said event.
However, I'm going to go for 30minutes and then I'm going to.
(12:09):
If it's not, if it's not goingwell, if I just need the time
away, then, like, take it.
But I think also beingintentional, right, like you
were saying, surroundingyourself with the kinds of
people who are going to let youshow up and be yourself, right,
so you don't have to have theextra exhaustion of putting on
the mask and feigning to besomebody that you're not.
And I think that's what I loveabout both of our communities.
(12:31):
It feels very similar.
I got to go to my first Powerto Pursue last year and excited
for this year to really get tobe in a very similar space where
there's just no pretense, thewomen can truly show up as
themselves, and it just doesn'tfeel contrived or forced, it
just truly feels real andauthentic and it is sad to say,
but that's such a rare thing.
(12:52):
So kudos to you for creatingthat space, because it's not
easy.
We're societally conditioned tojust be overburdened constantly
in our own minds.
It's head to heart work.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
You can listen to this, or you can drop down and
be in your body and listen tothis.
Love it and so that's always mygoal is how do I get out of here
and into here?
And the other part of that, amy, is, I think we think it's like
an all or nothing.
And I love that example becauseit's taking this big thing and
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it's bringing it down to thatmicro level.
And so I'm going to go to thisthing for 15 minutes.
If I feel safe and if I feelgrounded, I'm going to let
myself stay for another 15.
And so it's not black or whiteand we want it to be black or
white.
We want it to be black or whiteRight.
Like you want it to be in thispretty little box with the boat.
(13:48):
It's so cute and yeah that'snot.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
That whole attachment to outcome is another big thing
I mean.
For me, even if I show up andit's a total bust, I learned
something.
So it's like I didn't lose bydoing this.
If you're present, you willlearn.
I learned something, yeah, andif I stay, usually I'm really
hella happy.
I stayed at the end Because,like you said at the very
beginning, it's sometimes all ittakes is one connection.
I mean, I would not be sittinghere doing this and this work if
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it wasn't for one connectionthat helped get me into Together
Digital.
That eventually led to merunning and then owning the
business.
It's just literally walkinginto one room one connection.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And I think again, if you kind of have that mindset,
and I think the more that we asthe, you know, the leaders share
that, the more it normalizeswhat's possible.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Absolutely yeah Right .
Speaker 2 (14:37):
So, like the vulnerability to say this is how
I did it or this is why I didit, to give permission to anyone
who's holding themselves back.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yep Agreed, absolutely All right.
Let's get back to gratitude alittle bit more, because I think
some people tend to see it as abit of a soft skill, which I'm
like, and a very results drivenindustry like you know, ours
with together digital, digitalmarketing, advertising and
technology.
I'm kind of curious, youcurious.
Obviously you're runningbusinesses.
(15:07):
There are still metrics anddata that you have to kind of
hit.
Could you maybe share aspecific example of its impact
on sort of your businessoutcomes, the practice of
gratitude.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Well, yeah, I'm still here.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Right Still in business.
How many businesses now?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I've been told that I'm never going to make money,
because how do you make moneyoff of gratitude, right?
And so the work is still thework.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Mm, hmm.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
The work is still the work, but the practice can
amplify the work.
Right and so when we brought onan investor and he stole all of
my money, oh, that's right.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I remember you telling me about that.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I fell deep into my practice because I still owned a
hundred percent.
I never signed anything.
My family was safe.
My kids were still being ableto get food on the table.
I survived that.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Right, that's a lot to go through.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I think that there's those case by case scenarios way
too often.
I tell this story often, but Iremember when Grateful Grams we
closed Grateful Grams in 2023.
So, um, when we were doing ourfirst national launch with
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Kroger, we were going um into 90Kroger, no, 90 Whole Foods
stores.
I'm sorry, Whole Foods pickedus up in the mid Atlantic region
and so we were in five or sixstores At this time.
We still did all handproduction at a time, and my
brother at the time was ourproduction manager and we were
literally we had two weeks toproduce 52,000 cookies.
(16:56):
Wow, All by hand.
We had no right, no machines.
Those little cookie scoopers,girl man, they loved to see me
coming Because they're like yep,yep, here's another 12.
Um, and I remember him lookingat me and going I need you to
bake the last four trays ofpeanut butter chocolate chip
bites.
Then all the peanut butterbites are done for this order
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and we can move on to the nextflavor.
I burnt every single one ofthem.
Oh, no Right.
So, like gratitude reminds me,Mm-hmm, I didn't put the company
out of business.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I can run and buy more peanut butter.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I have to ask for help.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
This idea that I can do it all.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Is no longer true.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
no, longer true.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Right, absolutely so.
Like every single time I've hitthat roadblock, that barrier,
the joy and jubilation.
It goes both ways.
This isn't a get me out of thedarkness, though it is right.
Gratitude, always.
You know the way that I thinkand talk about it is like
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gratitude's, that little glimmer.
No matter how dark it gets,there's a little glimmer
possible and so.
But it's also for me equally asimportant to reflect back, like
those Friday posts that I puton Instagram, is this idea that
I'm looking back every singleFriday at my week, the people
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that I got to talk to, theimpact, what didn't work, what
did work right and justnormalizing the fact that
growing stuff's hard andexhausting and really effing
beautiful.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
It is amazing.
You're absolutely right.
I mean, in that case, rach, Ireally just feel like, not just
once, but maybe even twice,gratitude saved your business at
the end of the day, because youcould have quit.
You could have just said, butmaybe even twice.
Like you, you gratitude savedyour business at the end of the
day, cause you could have quit.
You could have quit.
You could have just said I'mdone.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I have written closing letters for three out of
four of my companies.
Middle of the night, wake uptwo o'clock in the morning,
absolutely panicked, drenched insweat.
I remember calling my dad.
I have grateful grams andubatorKitchen, so this was probably
seven or eight years ago and Iremember calling him and just
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saying I'm done, I'm donesuffering.
It's too hard.
There is nothing left for me togive up.
I gave up because we wereunfunded.
I started it all with $1,000 in2010.
And so I gave up the fun, Igave up the cool clothes, I gave
up being able to buy my kidsfull price stuff.
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We ate a lot of beans and riceand I said I just don't think I
can.
There's nothing left in thetank.
And he said you can give up andI'll support you, or you can
take the weekend to rest.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Close the computer, write the letter, write the
letter, get it out of your bodyRight Move it, Then close the
computer and tell everybody I'llbe back on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yep, If it's on fire you can text this person, but I
need to just walk away from allof it and especially, I think
there's so much fear that youcan actually step away from it.
If I take a day off, the wholething's going to crumble.
Yeah, that's a truth that youcan choose to believe or not,
right, and so, um, I know thatto not be true anymore.
(20:34):
You've got to walk away for 15minutes and then 30 minutes and
then an hour.
I'm 15 years intoentrepreneurship this year, amy,
and last year I took a two weekvacation in the summer.
I've never been able to do that.
That's amazing, you know sogoing back to like this idea of
with my dad and him reminding methat I was up here.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
And I was making decisions from my headspace,
right and that if I could justrest for a weekend.
So then, when I came back onTuesday, the dust settled.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
The fear settled, the exhaustion was gone.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
And I was able to come and just take a big deep
breath, get back into my bodyand go.
Okay, what do I have to dotoday?
Not this week, not next week,but what?
Is important to get done righthere and right now, and to me.
That to me is gratitude andaction, because it's allowing
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the muck to be there.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
You know when I teach it.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I always say, like gratitudes, like you've gone
through the hard thing, right,like the fear, the pain, the
trauma, the death, the businessclosure, you got fired, you have
a sick kid, it doesn't matter.
And I think women are notoriousfor comparing oh, her trauma
was not, um, my trauma wasn't asbad as her trauma, right, like,
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oh, I can't see anythingbecause she had this experience
and I only had this experience.
And so gratitude does not care,it does not, it does not matter
the size.
And so you have this fear, youhave this pain, you have this
anxiety, you have whatever, andgratitude just comes and sits
right there.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Sup girl.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
You okay, it's okay.
I'm just going to take a momenthere and in that moment you
know you you can't push throughthe question what are you
grateful for?
That's one of the mostimportant parts of it, in my
opinion.
So, if you allow that to comeand that question of what are
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you grateful for, the firstthing that you do is take a
breath in.
Oh wait.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So what does that mean?
Like you get a little presentyou get a little skill.
This isn't a 17 minutes, it's a30 second, it's a 10 second.
So you have to get back in yourbody for that response to come.
You can't run right that.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
That's where the magic is yeah, showing up and
then sticking around.
Ah, gratitude to show up,gratitude to stay I love that
and so wonderful to have likeyour dad there to support you in
that way.
I love that guy.
That's so wonderful and I cansee just where a lot of that
like wisdom has been passed downto kind of get you to slow down
and be like it doesn't have tobe everything, it's not black
(23:40):
and white, it's not the end all,it's not the be all.
We fall into these mind traps sooften because, again, like you
said, I think we can all relate.
We get so caught up in our ownheads and I know we've talked a
lot in the past about likerumination and how a lot of us
struggle with that, right, youknow, throw menopause on top of
that and nobody's sleeping,right.
So really I think you're right,gratitude is a way to bring
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yourself back to being present.
So if you struggle withrumination or anxiety in the
moment, you can practicegratitude and it's kind of like.
It's like Kegel exercisesNobody knows, you're doing it
and you can just do it andyou're going to be back where
you are.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
If you are the person that needs the special pen and
notebook, permission granted toorder it or buy it.
If you have a text with yourfriends you know, note, app, pen
and paper, like, allow thepractice to meet you where you
are.
It doesn't have to be any otherway, any other way, you know.
(24:38):
And to talk on that stress andanxiety, amy, the question I
come back to time and time andtime and time and time again,
especially when I get into thatspace, is what is real?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, what's real Right?
Yeah, I love it.
I want to throw in a bonusquestion then too, because I do
want to get into this.
I do.
I look forward to your Fridayposts.
I think they're always soinspiring and just, and I know
when you're doing them you'renot doing it for everybody else,
(25:05):
You're doing it just as muchfor you as everybody else.
But I think, like doing itsocially right Is there's like
it keeps you accountable, CauseI don't know what I would.
Would think I'd probably becalling to check on you if I
didn't see a Friday post right.
So that's kind of your way, um,and you might have other ways,
but what give us?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
give our listeners a couple of different ways in
which they can begin to kind ofpractice gratitude you plug this
and I will shamelessly plug itbecause the publisher came, came
yesterday and brought me thefirst hard official copy, so we
just pushed the full order inyesterday.
(25:43):
But I published two bookprojects this quarter.
One is a memoir and it iscoming.
Pre-orders closed this week forthat.
Um, this journal was incompanions.
So the publisher said you know,you really need to put a
gratitude journal out there,girl and I I fought with that,
(26:06):
amy.
I fought with it because, youknow, in my head I'm like nobody
needs that.
They need a pen and paper andbut I have.
I have.
I have done gratitude groups,private groups, challenges.
I've went into classrooms andtaught it and the thing that I'm
proud of with this is thatthere's a level of prompt.
(26:27):
You know we need it.
There's light pose.
There's 90 days of light posthere.
You know, from your bed, I lovemy bed.
It's my sanctuary in the season.
One of my best friends, tara,came over after my divorce and
helped me create my sanctuary, aroom I could feel safe and
restored.
I'm grateful for her.
But now, what about you?
From your bed, can you see fivethings that you're grateful for
(26:49):
just in your bedroom?
Again, bringing it back intothese micro pieces, and so, um,
I'm so excited that this isgoing to be out in the world.
I can't.
Where can people get it?
We need to know.
You can go to the gratitudecollective website.
There is a pre-order link ifyou find all of.
(27:11):
If you're following us, um,there's a book tour that will
probably be coming late summer,but we most likely will be doing
a big book launch.
I know Jungle Gems wants tohost something oh, that's so
fantastic.
Roebling Point Books wants tohost something.
I love that place.
We're just going to start, youknow, getting it out there.
Oh my God, it's really surreal.
(27:34):
Yeah, you know like I've beentalking about it for so long and
now it's really surreal.
I, you know, like I I've beentalking about it for so long,
and now that it's really here,um, because there's a deep level
of vulnerability and um, eventhough I tell people all the
time, vulnerability is like oneof my superpowers, this has like
stripped me to the bone, youknow, and so, um, yeah, the
(27:59):
process, would you say that waslike the process of the memoir.
Yeah, Sharing the depth oftruth that I pushed myself to
write.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And how um you know Stephanie is.
She's been with me for gosh 16plus years and I joke that she
knows where all the bodies areburied.
I had a editor but then Ibrought her in a secondary
editor because she pushed medeeper into my uncomfortable
space.
(28:31):
She's like you're only tellingthe gloss and we need behind the
gloss, right, like I knowthere's more here and so, and
that process with her tookalmost a year because I would
pick it up and then it would betoo much and I'd have to put it
back down and then I would beable to pick it up and then go
(28:51):
back to it and the book is.
It really started when my momwas passing.
She died in 2020 at the age of63 from early onset Alzheimer's
and through her dying process,writing was my form of sanity
and sanctuary.
So I wrote and people weretelling me wow, I didn't know
(29:22):
death could look like this.
I didn't know grief was partlike how it was, because grief's
like black and white right.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Like you're alive or you're dead.
That's all we know.
I am right.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
And so then, once I started writing, it was going
back into childhood and thesegirls that were so mean to me
and my dad telling me like no,your job's to love who you are.
And then I became a mom when Iwas young and I dropped out of
college to take care of this kidand Amy.
That story I've never toldpublicly because the you know
(29:56):
the shame and judgment that'sstill real.
And to face all of that um wasuh brutal.
I love that you know into thatright, I was like this was not
going to be an ex-husband book.
And then, um, that storychanged my world in the most
(30:17):
beautiful, incredible way.
Like it is the most surrealhope I've had, with my marriage
deteriorating and the miraclesthat have come and continue to
(30:38):
give me hope and life.
And so that's what that book is.
It's called the Morning Light.
I love it.
Morning M-O-U-R-I-N-G.
Ha, we're clever and so right,like yeah, it just it's a real
honor that I was sitting in thissunroom.
I bought my parents' house.
My mom died here and this washer favorite room.
(31:01):
And I remember looking at Ellislast year my youngest and tears
streaming down my face and Isaid I think I did it, I think I
wrote all of the words.
Oh that must have been amazing.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
So good for you, good for you.
I love that room too.
By the way, that was myfavorite room in your house.
It's just like I just like I'mjust gonna stay here.
I'm going to book next time.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I see why she liked it, I see how she liked it.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
That's just so amazing, rachel, and I think it
just shows you what a giftvulnerability is, not to those
that you share it with, but toyourself you know, at the end of
the day it takes so muchcourage, but it's like I love
that word beautiful.
I'm going to use that for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
That was a Glennon Doyle, of course it was.
That was a Glennon and it's,and it's.
It captures so much, right, itdoes, oh, I love it.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Like excited is another one of my favorite words
of hers.
I was scared and excited at thesame time because, yeah,
sometimes it's a mash of allthese things.
Because, as we know too,another favorite of all of ours
is Brene Brown Atlas of theHeart and that book just to give
you language about emotionsthat we don't even have, and the
English language was justastounding.
So highly recommend you allcheck both of those amazing
(32:15):
women out, because I do thinkmaybe that is part of the
challenge, right?
And I think why we do need yourgratitude journal, rachel, is
because we don't always know howto express those very complex
feelings.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
The ego says it can't be that easy.
The ego tells you there's noway that thinking of three
things a day to be grateful foris going to do anything for you.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Oh, you'd be amazed.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, and I will tell you there's nothing more
powerful than finding threethings a day to be grateful for
if you want a richer life.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Agreed, agreed.
I do that practice with my kids.
My daughter was struggling withsleep anxiety for a while and
the way we got through that waswhat are three things you're
grateful for?
Every night, right before bed.
And and she's held me to itafter all these years, I kind of
thought we'd drop the practice,and then I just picked it up
and started doing it with herbrother.
And you're right, it is amazingbecause it's like it doesn't.
Once you kind of get into thepractice, it doesn't take much,
(33:10):
and then you just find yourselfdoing it on a more regular basis
.
It's a new habit.
Yeah, it's a new habit.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
You guys, if you're going to go run a marathon, you
don't just go buy new shoes andget to run it.
Right, you may go.
I'm going to walk a mile todayin the shoes I have and try to
maybe run for 10 seconds, and soit's the same thing, with
gratitude.
You have to allow the muscle todevelop and so if you start
today, love it, and so, if youstart, today.
(33:37):
Look how much farther aheadyou'll be.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Exactly.
Oh, I love that analogy.
It's a great analogy.
You talked about the process ofwriting your book and then sort
of wanting to kind of have ormaintain that glossy image which
we all understand.
Like you said, the ego kind oftends to get in the way.
I'm curious when you're runninga business, how do you balance
intuition and gratitude withthat kind of perception of and
desired success?
Right, you don't start abusiness and say I want to fail.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
You define success for you.
We missed that step.
We think success is a big bankaccount, and you know Apple
watches and you know success forme for a long time was being
able to pay my bills on time.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Right, it feels good.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Success was being able to take a draw out.
Um, so I had a little vacationmoney.
Um, so first step is what issuccess for you?
I want to be.
I said to somebody.
I was like I think I want to bea billionaire.
I said for a long time I waslike I could be a millionaire.
I'm not there and I said, butlike, why not?
Because look at what I've builtfrom pennies.
(34:46):
Could you imagine?
If I had dollars to pay, I knowright.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
If you only would fund us people.
Oh, a hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
It allows me.
And so how is it weaved into mybusinesses?
It is the business.
They're not separate.
There isn't a bank account andthen a gratitude account.
It's all together, and sodefining success has allowed me
to realize on the really shittymonths or on the really positive
(35:14):
months, it's all okay, we needall of it.
That's the duality of life andliving, and so it's weaved in by
empowering a team to do theirbest and me being willing to
meet them where they're at andhelp them where we all need to
go.
It's in talking through my teamand allowing the whole human to
(35:36):
be there, right?
Um?
It's asking for help because wethink, as entrepreneurs, we
have to know it all in part.
You do, right, but there'speople out there that want to
help you, a lot more people thatwant to help you, that want to
hold you back, and so I think,amy, it's all in one piece,
(36:02):
right, like they're not separatefor me, and what that has
allowed me to do is show upevery day and do work that I
believe in, that I want to useto change the world, and the
work in getting there wasallowing all of me to be in the
(36:26):
work, and we want to be like Italk about the hats right Like,
okay, I was a wife, I'm a mother, I'm an aunt, I'm a community
leader, I'm an author, I'm aspeaker, I'm a CEO, I'm a
founder, I'm an executivedirector.
What I really am is just Rachel.
(36:48):
And what would happen if I tookall the hats off?
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
And I said Rachel's here today and Rachel's going to
do her best job.
That meant therapy, it meantspiritual advisors, it meant
lots of dark nights of the soul.
It meant losing my marriage.
It meant losing friends right,but it allowed me to become.
(37:20):
And so now there's no, yeah, itall just is.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, we do try to really over compartmentalize.
I still I feel that so muchwhen I was still working in the
industry and like life wouldjust take a crazy.
When I was still working in theindustry and like life would
just take a crazy, crazy turn orthings at work got really,
really complicated and it wasjust hard.
Because you do, when you try tocompartmentalize, it's like
you're you're taking time tosuppress things that really
(37:49):
truly need to be addressed,which can be hard to do.
Right, because some peoplemight see certain things as like
, well, okay, I can't, you know,you've she can, I can't.
Right, exactly Cause you'remodeling certain things, right.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I tell people all the time you choose a lot of your
own suffering.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yeah Right, you guys, I'm not I.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
There's no high horse here.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
There's no, I'm holier than now.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I will tell you about every time I fall Right.
I will tell you about everyfailure.
I will tell you about everyburnt cookie.
Yeah, it's not about a highersuperiority.
No, it's about me loving who Iam.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
I love it.
Well, I definitely say withmodeling, you bring gratitude
into the workplace.
But for those who are listeningtoday, what are some ways that
they might be able to bringgratitude into the workplace as
like a mindset, as a practice,even if they're not the leader
right, Because we have a lot offolks that are listening.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
What if you started the meeting and before you
jumped into the work, youactually let the work happen?
And so what if you round robinthat question hey, before we
start the meeting today, we'rejust going to quickly go in a
circle and everybody needs tosay one thing they're grateful
for.
Hey, you're doing a one-on-one.
Before we do that, I'm going tolet you know three things I'm
grateful for.
Oh, I love that you know, hey,we've got a wall of post-it
(39:08):
notes and you know we're goingto make it accessible, so when
you're in this office, you canjust come and post what you're
grateful for, because all of asudden, too, again it goes back
to that mirroring that you'vetalked about, which is so
beautiful that you can startseeing.
You know, I tell people all thetime like somebody goes you're
not good at it, like I don'thave a boat.
(39:29):
I don't have a boat.
Yeah, you know there's a boat,and also I want a friend with a
boat, I don't want a boat, right?
And so, like it's not about theboat, it's about the breath.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
It's not about the new car.
It's about clean drinking water, you know.
It's not about this guy got apromotion.
It's about that.
I'm like in clothes that makemy body feel confident.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yes, holy Amy, yeah, yeah, it's such a good unlock.
It's such a good unlock, I loveit.
It just allows for so much and,yeah, you just come in better
for it.
On that note, you know, um, youknow burnout.
The word gets thrown out somuch that I think we're all
(40:16):
burnout on the word burnout.
But it's like, what else do wecall it?
What are some ways that wecould maybe leverage latitude or
gratitude, not latitude.
Clearly it's Friday, that'strue too.
Both can be true to really helppeople, kind of work through.
You know, when you're kind ofit feels like you're going
(40:38):
nonstop.
How can gratitude help younavigate the complexities of
what feels like just day-to-daylife, sometimes without burning
out?
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Well, I think it goes back to reflecting on you.
I think sometimes in theburnout space, it's because
we're so forward thinking.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Mm-hmm yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
And gratitude brings us back to the moment right,
it's because we're so forwardthinking, yeah.
And gratitude brings us back tothe moment, right, like we all
want to solve tomorrow's problemtoday.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
I also think that you know I will be crass, like
welcome to entrepreneurship.
Yeah, you know, like there is ajost hustle there.
Right, there is a hustle, and,um, I don't want to push
everybody to burnout, but what Iwant to share is is, every time
I didn't think I could, whathappened was my capacity was
(41:31):
allowed to deepen, so I Pushingto the brink might not be so bad
.
Yeah, if you realize that youcan deepen your capacity so I
can hold more.
I can hold more energetically,spiritually, mentally,
physically, emotionally.
(41:52):
Burnout helped me in a way tobe able to get there, yep.
The other thing is a self-check, that burnout with your ego
going my mind's telling me Ican't take a day off.
I have a Sabbath day once aweek and I'm not good if I don't
have it.
That might look different.
(42:12):
I might not be able to have afull day, but it might mean that
Saturday and Sundays I don'tget out of bed until 10.
Yeah, I drink water.
I think you know that is one ofthe top health care tips I give
all the time You're dehydrated,period.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
I go to bed at eight o'clock.
My kids tuck me in.
I love it.
You know there's things that Ihave learned and allowed to help
me shelter some of the burnout.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
And there's also very clear seasons.
And so I know when I look at myyear, I'm running January
through May.
Right, I put a break in there,like I'll take a long weekend.
June is recoup.
Yeah, july is pull time.
(43:12):
Yep, august, I'm running forthe races through November.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Right, and so if I know, I can do something about
it.
Yeah, so the long weekend I doa long weekend in October with
some girlfriends, and so it'snot that you have to leave the
city.
There's days that I don't getout of bed.
You know I love the Christmasholiday break because I think I
(43:38):
watched a ridiculous, shamefulamount of movies over Christmas
break this year.
I mean Netflix.
Can you please drop some newstuff, Because I'm pretty sure
I've watched it all.
And so I think it's that it'sunderstand.
And guess what?
Nothing crashed and burned no.
And guess what?
Nothing crashed and burned, no.
(43:58):
And the other thing I bringinto that is someone said to me
if you don't learn to rest yourteam, you will run through your
team because they will be soburned out.
So by me learning and that wasone of the most the best lesson
I think that was I don't know ifit was 23 or 24 that that came
(44:20):
in what that allowed me to dowas realize, as a leader, when I
rest, they get caught up.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
And that's really important to my ecosystem.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Well, and how beautiful is it to, as somebody
who's running and leading abusiness in a team, to know that
you have trust in them, theyhave trust in you and you can
kind of just take your hands offthe wheel for a moment and you
don't go off course.
You stay on the road andsometimes, like, like you said,
things happen and sometimes theyget like that chance.
(44:54):
It really is and then when youwalk back it's like it's not,
like at least for me, it's notlike an ego hit to be like, oh,
they didn't need me after all.
No, they still need me.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
No, I'm like thank God, you didn't need me.
I'm taking three weeks nexttime.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Right, it's beautiful , it's a.
Really.
To me that's a sign of know.
Maybe I otherwise wouldn't havemade and I would have just kind
of stayed in the sameness orsafety and not made leaps and
bounds.
But by looking back at whatI've learned through kind of the
difficult things in my life,it's like no, I'm kind of
grateful.
It was hard and it sucked, andI don't.
I would prefer not to go throughit again, but there is a sense
(45:38):
of gratitude there because Icame out a different person, a
stronger person.
I definitely had some growth.
I've said that so many timestoo.
But if you ever want to getyour ass handed to you or kicked
, run a business, start abusiness and just like you're
going to learn so much aboutyourself because at the end of
the day it's like a marriageYou're waking up every day and
(46:04):
deciding am I going to keepgoing or am I just going to call
it off and say I'm done?
Like you said and actually oneof our mutual friends, crystal
Rainer, um, always says likeshe's like I quit every day, I
quit every damn day from it.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
You know, I I challenged myself as often as I
can to be done with work when Ipick the kids up by three.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yeah, and part of that is is when I'm 15 years in
and I sacrificed a lot of thattime with them in the front end,
and so now's my time to kind ofmake up for a little bit of
that.
And I have teenagers now, sothey're like really, mom, we
don't want to hang out with you,you're not, and so you know
like it's just a fun dance thatwe get to do.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Yeah, no, 100%, and I love it's so funny, like your
seasons and my seasons verysimilar.
It took me about three years ofbusiness ownership to sort of
see the trends.
And I love it because, like mykids, spring and fall break
align with both of those kind oftrends and seasonality.
So everyone knows like, yeah,this week and this week and once
again March, this week inOctober, usually in the
mountains with my kids, whereyou can't reach me via cell or
(47:05):
internet.
It's such a tremendous thing.
And so, on that note of liketaking rest in a Sabbath, as you
mentioned, elizabeth, one ofour live listeners hey,
elizabeth, thanks for asking.
She loves the idea, but she'skind of wanting more details on
what that means for you.
And she says it's so hard withall these Sunday reset videos.
Yeah, One.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
I don't watch those Right.
Turn those off.
There's no reset.
So what does a Sabbath day looklike?
For me Is that the question.
Yeah, so good.
When I got divorced, myex-husband would bring me tea
every morning, right?
So the first thing I did when Igot divorced was get an
(47:47):
electric kettle that I can turnon from an app on my phone.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Sweet.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
So that when I finally do wake up, I turn that
on and I take a long slow hourdrinking.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
I love it.
That's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Then I go am I, am I needing to be in community, Like
do I need to have somebody, agirlfriend, over Like you know,
those dinners are a little morecasual, a little more laid back
or do I just need to like behome?
So like, I ask myself thatquestion, um question, mainly
because I'm an extrovert andsometimes I need to be around
(48:26):
the humans, right?
To like have that kind of bumpthat I need to feel my best.
I typically will write out onSunday, on that day of rest of
like, what the next week lookslike, that little bit of
inventory.
So I'm starting to like I don'twant to work.
(48:48):
There's no work here.
Am I taking the kids to a movie?
Are we renting a movie onAmazon?
I am not.
Most 99% of those days I am notcooking.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
I am ordering DoorDash, we are going to dinner
somewhere, um, which then againtoo, is, I think, really
reflective time with my kids,right, like as they become
teenagers.
They just want food out, right?
Mom's not cooking.
So you know, I there's noexpectation that anything has to
get done on my Sabbath day,that's.
(49:23):
I think.
The thing, Elizabeth, is that aSabbath day is not a Sabbath
day if there's 17 tasks on it.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
A Sabbath day is going.
I'm okay with the piles oflaundry and the dirty floor and,
um, the messy bed.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
And that's really hard, because I also am like
this is my day, I've got to getit all done.
No, I need to do laundry, soI'm working from home.
Tomorrow I'm going to put theload in before my call starts.
So that's part of that.
Look at what's happening andwhat might need to get done, so
that I know, because otherwiseI'm in my head and I'm and I'm
(50:05):
telling myself you know, youhave all this stuff that needs
to get done.
You shouldn't be resting, youshould not.
That should word man, shootingall over yourselves.
That little reflection shows mewhere I can put in the things
that need to get done so that Ican actually rest.
(50:25):
And for me, if it's out of myhead, then I can come down.
I also had to train myself.
It didn't start with a wholeday, it started with an evening.
I used to work 15 hours a day.
It was normal seven days week,like I just never knew how to
turn it off.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Um, and I'm up to a whole day.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
And I probably get three out of four of those in
the month Right, Like in allactuality, like, um yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Now, I think, being intentional and making time for
rest, putting it on yourcalendar so important, Yep.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Yep, as many of us live in my rest, yeah, you
schedule everything else.
Oh my gosh Well.
And then I know, in the dentistand you schedule eight nights
with your husband.
You schedule stuff with yourkids like get over it, right?
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Well, and then for me , it's like I have something to
look forward to.
You know, I read a study a longtime ago Lots of you have
probably heard it about the factthat, like most of us are our
happiest the week beforevacation, not while we're on
vacation.
It's everything about theanticipation and having
something to look forward to,which is why my phone is filled
with like multiple lists ofawesome air bmbs, because it's
like I finished one thing.
(51:33):
What's my next thing to lookforward to?
Yeah, you know, because it'slike I'm gonna work my ass off
the next four months.
What can I put at the end ofthat tunnel?
That's a little bit of light tobe there to like, look forward
to and rest.
So, yeah, you got to plan forit.
Oh, my goodness, all right.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Yeah, okay, is there any more questions?
No, you're good.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
No, I was going to say I want to make sure our live
listeners audience.
If they've got more questions,they can definitely ask them.
But I was going to jump to ourpower round questions.
But before I do that, was theresomething else you wanted to
say?
No, this is so great, I knowRight, it's so fun.
Um so yeah, audience, if you'vegot more questions like
Elizabeth had, don't be shy,drop them in there.
I'm going to go through thepower round questions real quick
(52:13):
.
So these are some some fun um,quick fire questions for you.
What is your go-to practiceduring back-to-back meetings and
things?
Water, oh, that's great, like Iyep, that's it I love it.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
That's right like because I don't like.
I think so much is like we haveto have all of these practices
and systems.
No, I just need to like, makeit simple.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
Make it easier on yourself.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Done.
This is with me everywhere,Like I love it.
People are like it's like asafe security blanket at this
point, you know, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Fantastic, I love that.
All right, quick gratitudereset when between your
professional and personal life,which I feel like you don't
separate much of the two basedon how I'm sending your earlier
answers, yeah, so there's likenot a need for a reset, right,
because you're not forcingcompartmentalization Like hey,
there's a little bit of anunlock for y'all.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
It's pretty wild Again.
I've been practicing gratitudefor over 30 years, yeah, and so
You've gotten good at it.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Yeah, but if you start today, right, exactly, you
just got to start today.
You just got to do that onelittle bit.
Don't make it huge.
It doesn't have to beeverything in one.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Three things.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Love it.
One way to show gratitude to aum a team member, whether that's
in person or virtual.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Listen to them, because if you listen, you're
going to hear.
You're going to hear the worryand you're going to hear the
fear, you're going to hear wherethey feel lost or stuck.
And then you can be thegratitude in that light because
you listened.
And then you're like, hey, Iheard you feel like you're a
(54:01):
little stressed out.
Is there anything be of service?
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Here's a cup of tea.
There's a glass of water.
Do you need anything else?
Speaker 1 (54:11):
That's beautiful.
What are you?
Speaker 2 (54:11):
grateful for Right.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Yeah, that's so beautiful, rachel, because we
talked about this before too onthe podcast how, like, I worked
at a place where they wanted toknow your love language and I
thought that was so strange, butthat's such a wonderful way to
listen and learn and understandhow do people receive love and
which I would include that as agratitude.
Like you know, maybe I'm notincentivized by you just being
like you did a great job.
(54:34):
Here's a hundred bucks.
Some people that's like yay.
Other of us want, you know,gratification or thank you,
something as simple as that, andoftentimes we tend to, I would
say we probably show up and showlove and gratitude, the ways we
like to receive them, and so,by listening, you're kind of
(54:54):
treating others not how youwould want to be treated.
You're treating them how theywant to be treated, which you
know people where they're at,not where you're at.
I love that.
That's such great advice.
All right, my last one thatI've got for you is best
gratitude habit for stayingpositive during a ton of change,
when things just kind of arelike left and right, a lot out
of your control.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
It's.
It's actually.
It's actually doing thepractice because again, it's
going to make you present youguys, your life is not in your
control.
Love you Right.
I love bursting that bubble andthe more you want to control it
(55:37):
and strangle it, all that doesis constrict and suffocate.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
Like allow the breath to be there.
You're free there.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
And so, if it's hard, practice more.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
Right, like what does the Buddha say?
Like, if you don't have time tomeditate for a minute, meditate
for an hour.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
Cause it's all what's real right Like.
If you are too busy, I willcall bullshit Right Like.
And so nobody's too busy for a60 second practice.
So maybe when it's really hard,push yourself, expand depth
(56:25):
capacity.
So instead of three things,it's 32 things that day.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
Instead of five things, it's it's 12 things that
you had that you were gratefulfor that day.
Stretch and make the capacitydeepen.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
Yeah, and I love it too, cause it's like often said,
but I don't.
I know, you and I both listenedto a lot of mindfulness and
meditation and read a lot of thesimilar like you know
literature and all that.
So I want to say it andhopefully not being too obvious
to our listeners, but it'scalled a practice for a reason,
right Like it's.
It's just because you're just,you're showing up and you're,
(57:01):
like you said, building thatmuscle.
It's not meant to be perfectevery time and there's never
going to be a time when you'reperfect, because there's no such
thing.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
Why do you want to be perfect?
You're beautiful, you're humanRight, absolutely.
Perfection's not going to makeyou go farther or faster.
Perfection's going to bury youin burden.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
Yeah, absolutely, it'll hold you up.
Yeah, I agree, I agree, well,you know what friend?
Thank you for showing up andfor doing this.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
Thank you for giving me this space to show up to.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
Absolutely, I'm just.
I always feel so lucky to beable to kind of you know, work
with you and partner with youand see what you're doing and
then bring it to our group andthe broader group of listeners.
Speaker 2 (57:47):
So thank you so much for giving me this opportunity
to share with them Of course, myabsolute pleasure and listeners
.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
Again, thank you for showing up and sticking it out.
We know there's always a lot ofthings that are pulling on your
time and I don't know.
I just always thought, everytime I show up to things like
this, I walk away feeling awhole lot happier that I did so.
Hopefully it was all well worthyour time.
Everyone, thank you so much forjoining us this week.
It's been a fantasticconversation.
Rach, I really appreciate it,excited to hang out soon, and
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everyone else until then.
Hopefully you can join us nextweek.
Until then, keep asking, keepgiving and keep growing.
We'll see you all soon.
Thanks everyone.
Bye.
Hello everyone and welcome to our weekly power
lounge.
This is your place to hearauthentic conversations from
those who have power to share.
My name is Amy Vaughn and I amthe owner and chief empowerment
officer of Together Digital, adiverse and collaborative
community of women who work indigital and choose to share
their knowledge, power andconnections.
You can join the movement attogetherindigitalcom, and today
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I am so thrilled because we arediving into something that has
the power to truly revolutionizethe way that you do business
and life, and that is gratitudewith action, in action, in
action.
I am thrilled to welcome fellowbusiness owner and dear friend,
rachel DeRochers, a remarkableentrepreneur who has built
multiple successful ventureswith gratitude at the core, from
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the Grateful Grams to theIncubator Kitchen Collective.
Rachel shows us how leading withpurpose creates ripples of
positive change in business andcommunity For our live audience
who's joining us today.
Thank you so much for takingthe time to be here.
We always appreciate youlistening in live.
Bonus, you get to ask yourquestions, so don't be shy.
(01:17):
Leave comments in the chat, askquestions if you have them, if
there's anything that you wouldlike to know more.
We love the curiosity, so feelfree to bring it your insights
and curiosity truly do makethese conversations richer.
Rachel, so grateful to sing ofgratitude, grateful to have you
here with us today.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Thank you so much.
Thank you for having me.
Truly, it always feels like anhonor to take time out and share
the work, but like also justconnect in with women a love
language.
So thank you a ton.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah, I got to meet Rachel.
I think it's been maybe alittle over a year.
I kind of just sought her out.
Fellow businesswoman in thecommunity, a tremendous
community builder, contributor,just so many alignments and like
passion, and so it's justwonderful now to have gotten to
know you over this last year anda half and to witness and see
all the amazing things you'vedone Well and partner with you
(02:15):
Like.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I think that's the nice thing I love about so much
of us and this work is like westart collecting the
collaborators you know, and sowhat we did with Startup Sensi
Week together and, just like youknow, it's so important when
women leaders show the impactand amplification that
supporting and coming togetherwith other women actually have
(02:38):
versus the scarcity mindset somuch of us have to unlearn,
right.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Absolutely.
Yeah, I've been listening tothis really good masterclass.
It talks about the 49ers coachand how he says the score takes
care of itself, and that hasbeen like stuck in my head
because the philosophy is thatwhen you unite people with like
a common sense of like value andtrust and collaboration, like
everyone goes farther andeveryone moves farther faster.
(03:04):
And so he was always never oneabout like looking at the
scoreboard and saying, like it'sall about the this.
I mean the stats are important,sure, the metrics are important
, but at the end of the day,right, it's like that, and I
just it was such a big unlockfor me to help me sort of begin
to articulate what it means tohave and even build community,
(03:24):
because it mobilizes so many andreally, truly the success
almost takes care of itself whenyou're open enough to show up
and be a part of community.
So I know both of us share thatpassion and we probably could
have a whole nother podcastconversation on community okay,
2025 watch out right, we'rebringing it rising tide lifts
all boats yeah, right, I mean um, we're better together, for
(03:48):
sure.
Absolutely so.
I want to get into gratitude,though, because I do think
that's something that's just,it's a fantastic practice of
yours.
I see it and not you don't justsay it, you do it.
You know all the time, whetheryou're in person with people or
through your social mediachannels, you definitely are a
(04:08):
person who practices gratitude,and I just love seeing that
being modeled and reminding me,and you know we've got a lot of
listeners and members here whoare reshaping their careers and
considering transitions, and youhave made quite a few, my
friend, and I'm curious to hearfrom you how gratitude has
guided you on your own sort ofmaybe more pivotal career
decisions.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, so can I just reverse quickly and just maybe
share a little bit?
Would it be important to like,maybe just quickly, bio of the
things, please?
And then it'll lay forward thatanswer.
Because one, I think gratitudeis me.
I am it right.
It's been a practice that I'vehad since I was seven, eight or
(04:52):
nine, like I just.
I was given to me very youngand I'm thankful for that.
But I started my entrepreneurjourney in 2010, literally
starting a company calledGrateful Grams whose mission it
was to spread the message ofgratitude and build community.
You know, I always said withGrateful Grams we were a
gratitude company that made acookie.
We weren't a cookie companythat talked about gratitude.
(05:14):
And from there we opened theIncubator Kitchen Collective.
It's a nonprofit shared usecommercial kitchen space for
food entrepreneurs.
We have Good and Local, whichis our food show and food
education program.
Power to Pursue is my love.
It's a women's empowermentmovement that we've been
building here in the last fouryears with the mission to create
a safe space for women to beseen, heard and loved in.
(05:36):
And then there's this RachelBucket, where I do a lot of
speaking and consulting.
I have a book coming out, agratitude journal coming out.
And so you know, amy, back tothat question of how has it?
Gratitude has caught me everysingle time I have fallen down.
You know, I had a call thismorning.
(05:57):
I spoke in Italy in Decemberand so I just did a mentoring
session with one of theentrepreneurs there and she
asked, and she said I getstressed, right.
And then I also think that Ican't stop working.
And even in that which is sucha common thing, I think, for
founders right, like we'reworkaholics is that gratitude
(06:19):
starts, laying groundwork foryou to actually see what's being
done, because we're so much inthinking about the 32 things
that have to be completed and inall, reality is like we have
clean drinking water.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I have a laptop that I can call and do this podcast
with you.
My house is warm, you know, andso it's this opportunity,
because I truly believe, likethe lack or the path of
abundance starts with that.
Like, if you are a creator whowants more, if you want more
income, if you want moreconnections, if you want more
(06:55):
time with your kids, like itdoesn't matter what the more is
Right.
If you're not looking at whatis actually already happening
and taking place and the richesthat you actually already have
at your fingerprints, we'remissing the whole point.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, yeah, see, already you got me feeling more
grateful.
We're like that.
What five minutes in You're soright and it's like the law of
attraction, right, the thingsthat you pay attention to and
the things you give gratitude toyou find more abundance in that
.
And I do think as a businessowner you know scarcity mindset
is such an easy place to getinto right Because you might be
limited on resources.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
We need a staff of 10 and we can afford somebody 10
hours a week Like well.
Welcome to entrepreneurship.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Absolutely so.
I do think your mindset herejust really just breathes a
whole lot of new life andperspective into how we look at
our work and the business thatwe do.
So even if you don't own yourbusiness and you work at a job
that you're kind of likequasi-miserable, it's so easy to
notice the negative right.
Our brains are sort ofpre-programmed right For the
sake of survival, to notice thenegative and you have the power
(08:04):
to reprogram, yes, and to findgratitude, because I think also
when you find gratitude you'remore prone to see the
opportunities, because you'renot always looking at the
barriers and roadblocks.
Yeah, so good.
So obviously you've built acouple of communities from
scratch, as you mentionedearlier.
As you were kind of giving us aquick rundown in your bio, I'm
curious if you could share someinsights with our members about
(08:25):
what it means to create, or howthey can begin to create, more
authentic connections in anincreasingly virtual world.
A lot of our members andlisteners are working with
teammates that they may never bein the same room with, or be
managing people that they're notin the same room with.
What are some ways that youhave found to kind of make those
authentic connections happen?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
The thing that I say, that nobody likes to hear is
you've got to show up.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
And it's hard.
I you don't think we're not alltired, right?
I'm a single mom, three kids,not all tired.
I'm a single mom, three kidshaving the time of her life, and
(09:14):
I have to show up.
I still have to show up,whether it's virtually and
whether it's in person.
But when you get asked, whenyou get an offer, when you have
an opportunity, you have thechoice in that moment to take it
or not.
And what I know is on the mostexhausted nights when I've
pushed, I've met one personwho's made a difference for me.
I've made one connection.
It isn't about 32 connections,it's about one singular connect
(09:39):
and the power that one personcan have on everything for you.
And the ripple and so you knowit's the behind the scenes work
of what's holding you back fromshowing up.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You don't feel like you belong, you don't feel
worthy, you have fear of missingout.
It's the juggle you know youget invited to so much.
How do you choose?
Yeah, ask yourself, and letit's kind of like when you spin
the map.
You remember as a kid you'dspin the map and be okay with
where that lands, because youalso.
(10:16):
There is also like a dating inthis connection community place
too, whether it's with your team, whether it's with friends,
where you have to kind ofmassage out a little to say like
, where are my people?
That's what I think is soempowering with Power to Pursue
is that's the thing I've heardthe most.
(10:37):
But I think I hear it.
It's because the women that areshowing up aren't coming with
the lens that I'm the best.
The women that are showing uparen't coming with the lens that
I'm the best.
The women are coming andshowing up with, oh my gosh, I
can meet like-minded women who Iknow will listen to me and who
I can feel safe enough to askfor help, and so like it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, I think it's.
You're right, it's about beingintentional.
It is showing up a hundredthousand percent, it absolutely
is, and it's sort of even likeum gosh, again, get back to that
.
Like, uh, I was, we are readinggroup within together.
Digital is re.
Some of us are rereading, someof it are reading it for the
first time.
James, clear, autonomous, atomichabits.
And one tool for this might besay you do struggle with some
(11:23):
social anxiety and maybe you'vebeen burned before by other
groups or other people.
Um, he had an example of thisgentleman that literally like,
was like obviously overweight,like hundreds of pounds, and he
decided that he was going tojust show up to the gym, drive
to the gym, pull into theparking lot and then drive home.
A couple of times he's like Imight not get up and go in, but
(11:45):
I can at least show up.
And there was something aboutshowing up that really helped
him be like okay, well, now I'mgoing to get in and I'm going to
go to the gym and I'm onlygoing to stay for five minutes.
And so he gradually increasedhis time.
So, even if it's a little bitof like a mindset trick to
yourself to say, okay, I reallydon't necessarily feel up to
going to this said event.
However, I'm going to go for 30minutes and then I'm going to.
(12:09):
If it's not, if it's not goingwell, if I just need the time
away, then, like, take it.
But I think also beingintentional, right, like you
were saying, surroundingyourself with the kinds of
people who are going to let youshow up and be yourself, right,
so you don't have to have theextra exhaustion of putting on
the mask and feigning to besomebody that you're not.
And I think that's what I loveabout both of our communities.
(12:31):
It feels very similar.
I got to go to my first Powerto Pursue last year and excited
for this year to really get tobe in a very similar space where
there's just no pretense, thewomen can truly show up as
themselves, and it just doesn'tfeel contrived or forced, it
just truly feels real andauthentic and it is sad to say,
but that's such a rare thing.
(12:52):
So kudos to you for creatingthat space, because it's not
easy.
We're societally conditioned tojust be overburdened constantly
in our own minds.
It's head to heart work.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
You can listen to this, or you can drop down and
be in your body and listen tothis.
Love it and so that's always mygoal is how do I get out of here
and into here?
And the other part of that, amy, is, I think we think it's like
an all or nothing.
And I love that example becauseit's taking this big thing and
(13:26):
it's bringing it down to thatmicro level.
And so I'm going to go to thisthing for 15 minutes.
If I feel safe and if I feelgrounded, I'm going to let
myself stay for another 15.
And so it's not black or whiteand we want it to be black or
white.
We want it to be black or whiteRight.
Like you want it to be in thispretty little box with the boat.
(13:48):
It's so cute and yeah that'snot.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
That whole attachment to outcome is another big thing
I mean.
For me, even if I show up andit's a total bust, I learned
something.
So it's like I didn't lose bydoing this.
If you're present, you willlearn.
I learned something, yeah, andif I stay, usually I'm really
hella happy.
I stayed at the end Because,like you said at the very
beginning, it's sometimes all ittakes is one connection.
I mean, I would not be sittinghere doing this and this work if
(14:13):
it wasn't for one connectionthat helped get me into Together
Digital.
That eventually led to merunning and then owning the
business.
It's just literally walkinginto one room one connection.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And I think again, if you kind of have that mindset,
and I think the more that we asthe, you know, the leaders share
that, the more it normalizeswhat's possible.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Absolutely yeah Right .
Speaker 2 (14:37):
So, like the vulnerability to say this is how
I did it or this is why I didit, to give permission to anyone
who's holding themselves back.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yep Agreed, absolutely All right.
Let's get back to gratitude alittle bit more, because I think
some people tend to see it as abit of a soft skill, which I'm
like, and a very results drivenindustry like you know, ours
with together digital, digitalmarketing, advertising and
technology.
I'm kind of curious, youcurious.
Obviously you're runningbusinesses.
(15:07):
There are still metrics anddata that you have to kind of
hit.
Could you maybe share aspecific example of its impact
on sort of your businessoutcomes, the practice of
gratitude.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Well, yeah, I'm still here.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Right Still in business.
How many businesses now?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I've been told that I'm never going to make money,
because how do you make moneyoff of gratitude, right?
And so the work is still thework.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Mm, hmm.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
The work is still the work, but the practice can
amplify the work.
Right and so when we brought onan investor and he stole all of
my money, oh, that's right.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I remember you telling me about that.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I fell deep into my practice because I still owned a
hundred percent.
I never signed anything.
My family was safe.
My kids were still being ableto get food on the table.
I survived that.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Right, that's a lot to go through.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I think that there's those case by case scenarios way
too often.
I tell this story often, but Iremember when Grateful Grams we
closed Grateful Grams in 2023.
So, um, when we were doing ourfirst national launch with
(16:35):
Kroger, we were going um into 90Kroger, no, 90 Whole Foods
stores.
I'm sorry, Whole Foods pickedus up in the mid Atlantic region
and so we were in five or sixstores At this time.
We still did all handproduction at a time, and my
brother at the time was ourproduction manager and we were
literally we had two weeks toproduce 52,000 cookies.
(16:56):
Wow, All by hand.
We had no right, no machines.
Those little cookie scoopers,girl man, they loved to see me
coming Because they're like yep,yep, here's another 12.
Um, and I remember him lookingat me and going I need you to
bake the last four trays ofpeanut butter chocolate chip
bites.
Then all the peanut butterbites are done for this order
(17:18):
and we can move on to the nextflavor.
I burnt every single one ofthem.
Oh, no Right.
So, like gratitude reminds me,Mm-hmm, I didn't put the company
out of business.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I can run and buy more peanut butter.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I have to ask for help.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
This idea that I can do it all.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Is no longer true.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
no, longer true.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Right, absolutely so.
Like every single time I've hitthat roadblock, that barrier,
the joy and jubilation.
It goes both ways.
This isn't a get me out of thedarkness, though it is right.
Gratitude, always.
You know the way that I thinkand talk about it is like
(18:09):
gratitude's, that little glimmer.
No matter how dark it gets,there's a little glimmer
possible and so.
But it's also for me equally asimportant to reflect back, like
those Friday posts that I puton Instagram, is this idea that
I'm looking back every singleFriday at my week, the people
(18:32):
that I got to talk to, theimpact, what didn't work, what
did work right and justnormalizing the fact that
growing stuff's hard andexhausting and really effing
beautiful.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
It is amazing.
You're absolutely right.
I mean, in that case, rach, Ireally just feel like, not just
once, but maybe even twice,gratitude saved your business at
the end of the day, because youcould have quit.
You could have just said, butmaybe even twice.
Like you, you gratitude savedyour business at the end of the
day, cause you could have quit.
You could have quit.
You could have just said I'mdone.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I have written closing letters for three out of
four of my companies.
Middle of the night, wake uptwo o'clock in the morning,
absolutely panicked, drenched insweat.
I remember calling my dad.
I have grateful grams andubatorKitchen, so this was probably
seven or eight years ago and Iremember calling him and just
(19:21):
saying I'm done, I'm donesuffering.
It's too hard.
There is nothing left for me togive up.
I gave up because we wereunfunded.
I started it all with $1,000 in2010.
And so I gave up the fun, Igave up the cool clothes, I gave
up being able to buy my kidsfull price stuff.
(19:42):
We ate a lot of beans and riceand I said I just don't think I
can.
There's nothing left in thetank.
And he said you can give up andI'll support you, or you can
take the weekend to rest.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Close the computer, write the letter, write the
letter, get it out of your bodyRight Move it, Then close the
computer and tell everybody I'llbe back on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yep, If it's on fire you can text this person, but I
need to just walk away from allof it and especially, I think
there's so much fear that youcan actually step away from it.
If I take a day off, the wholething's going to crumble.
Yeah, that's a truth that youcan choose to believe or not,
right, and so, um, I know thatto not be true anymore.
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You've got to walk away for 15minutes and then 30 minutes and
then an hour.
I'm 15 years intoentrepreneurship this year, amy,
and last year I took a two weekvacation in the summer.
I've never been able to do that.
That's amazing, you know sogoing back to like this idea of
with my dad and him reminding methat I was up here.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
And I was making decisions from my headspace,
right and that if I could justrest for a weekend.
So then, when I came back onTuesday, the dust settled.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
The fear settled, the exhaustion was gone.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
And I was able to come and just take a big deep
breath, get back into my bodyand go.
Okay, what do I have to dotoday?
Not this week, not next week,but what?
Is important to get done righthere and right now, and to me.
That to me is gratitude andaction, because it's allowing
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the muck to be there.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
You know when I teach it.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I always say, like gratitudes, like you've gone
through the hard thing, right,like the fear, the pain, the
trauma, the death, the businessclosure, you got fired, you have
a sick kid, it doesn't matter.
And I think women are notoriousfor comparing oh, her trauma
was not, um, my trauma wasn't asbad as her trauma, right, like,
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oh, I can't see anythingbecause she had this experience
and I only had this experience.
And so gratitude does not care,it does not, it does not matter
the size.
And so you have this fear, youhave this pain, you have this
anxiety, you have whatever, andgratitude just comes and sits
right there.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Sup girl.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
You okay, it's okay.
I'm just going to take a momenthere and in that moment you
know you you can't push throughthe question what are you
grateful for?
That's one of the mostimportant parts of it, in my
opinion.
So, if you allow that to comeand that question of what are
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you grateful for, the firstthing that you do is take a
breath in.
Oh wait.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So what does that mean?
Like you get a little presentyou get a little skill.
This isn't a 17 minutes, it's a30 second, it's a 10 second.
So you have to get back in yourbody for that response to come.
You can't run right that.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
That's where the magic is yeah, showing up and
then sticking around.
Ah, gratitude to show up,gratitude to stay I love that
and so wonderful to have likeyour dad there to support you in
that way.
I love that guy.
That's so wonderful and I cansee just where a lot of that
like wisdom has been passed downto kind of get you to slow down
and be like it doesn't have tobe everything, it's not black
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and white, it's not the end all,it's not the be all.
We fall into these mind traps sooften because, again, like you
said, I think we can all relate.
We get so caught up in our ownheads and I know we've talked a
lot in the past about likerumination and how a lot of us
struggle with that, right, youknow, throw menopause on top of
that and nobody's sleeping,right.
So really I think you're right,gratitude is a way to bring
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yourself back to being present.
So if you struggle withrumination or anxiety in the
moment, you can practicegratitude and it's kind of like.
It's like Kegel exercisesNobody knows, you're doing it
and you can just do it andyou're going to be back where
you are.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
If you are the person that needs the special pen and
notebook, permission granted toorder it or buy it.
If you have a text with yourfriends you know, note, app, pen
and paper, like, allow thepractice to meet you where you
are.
It doesn't have to be any otherway, any other way, you know.
(24:38):
And to talk on that stress andanxiety, amy, the question I
come back to time and time andtime and time and time again,
especially when I get into thatspace, is what is real?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, what's real Right?
Yeah, I love it.
I want to throw in a bonusquestion then too, because I do
want to get into this.
I do.
I look forward to your Fridayposts.
I think they're always soinspiring and just, and I know
when you're doing them you'renot doing it for everybody else,
(25:05):
You're doing it just as muchfor you as everybody else.
But I think, like doing itsocially right Is there's like
it keeps you accountable, CauseI don't know what I would.
Would think I'd probably becalling to check on you if I
didn't see a Friday post right.
So that's kind of your way, um,and you might have other ways,
but what give us?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
give our listeners a couple of different ways in
which they can begin to kind ofpractice gratitude you plug this
and I will shamelessly plug itbecause the publisher came, came
yesterday and brought me thefirst hard official copy, so we
just pushed the full order inyesterday.
(25:43):
But I published two bookprojects this quarter.
One is a memoir and it iscoming.
Pre-orders closed this week forthat.
Um, this journal was incompanions.
So the publisher said you know,you really need to put a
gratitude journal out there,girl and I I fought with that,
(26:06):
amy.
I fought with it because, youknow, in my head I'm like nobody
needs that.
They need a pen and paper andbut I have.
I have.
I have done gratitude groups,private groups, challenges.
I've went into classrooms andtaught it and the thing that I'm
proud of with this is thatthere's a level of prompt.
(26:27):
You know we need it.
There's light pose.
There's 90 days of light posthere.
You know, from your bed, I lovemy bed.
It's my sanctuary in the season.
One of my best friends, tara,came over after my divorce and
helped me create my sanctuary, aroom I could feel safe and
restored.
I'm grateful for her.
But now, what about you?
From your bed, can you see fivethings that you're grateful for
(26:49):
just in your bedroom?
Again, bringing it back intothese micro pieces, and so, um,
I'm so excited that this isgoing to be out in the world.
I can't.
Where can people get it?
We need to know.
You can go to the gratitudecollective website.
There is a pre-order link ifyou find all of.
(27:11):
If you're following us, um,there's a book tour that will
probably be coming late summer,but we most likely will be doing
a big book launch.
I know Jungle Gems wants tohost something oh, that's so
fantastic.
Roebling Point Books wants tohost something.
I love that place.
We're just going to start, youknow, getting it out there.
Oh my God, it's really surreal.
(27:34):
Yeah, you know like I've beentalking about it for so long and
now it's really surreal.
I, you know, like I I've beentalking about it for so long,
and now that it's really here,um, because there's a deep level
of vulnerability and um, eventhough I tell people all the
time, vulnerability is like oneof my superpowers, this has like
stripped me to the bone, youknow, and so, um, yeah, the
(27:59):
process, would you say that waslike the process of the memoir.
Yeah, Sharing the depth oftruth that I pushed myself to
write.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And how um you know Stephanie is.
She's been with me for gosh 16plus years and I joke that she
knows where all the bodies areburied.
I had a editor but then Ibrought her in a secondary
editor because she pushed medeeper into my uncomfortable
space.
(28:31):
She's like you're only tellingthe gloss and we need behind the
gloss, right, like I knowthere's more here and so, and
that process with her tookalmost a year because I would
pick it up and then it would betoo much and I'd have to put it
back down and then I would beable to pick it up and then go
(28:51):
back to it and the book is.
It really started when my momwas passing.
She died in 2020 at the age of63 from early onset Alzheimer's
and through her dying process,writing was my form of sanity
and sanctuary.
So I wrote and people weretelling me wow, I didn't know
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death could look like this.
I didn't know grief was partlike how it was, because grief's
like black and white right.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Like you're alive or you're dead.
That's all we know.
I am right.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
And so then, once I started writing, it was going
back into childhood and thesegirls that were so mean to me
and my dad telling me like no,your job's to love who you are.
And then I became a mom when Iwas young and I dropped out of
college to take care of this kidand Amy.
That story I've never toldpublicly because the you know
(29:56):
the shame and judgment that'sstill real.
And to face all of that um wasuh brutal.
I love that you know into thatright, I was like this was not
going to be an ex-husband book.
And then, um, that storychanged my world in the most
(30:17):
beautiful, incredible way.
Like it is the most surrealhope I've had, with my marriage
deteriorating and the miraclesthat have come and continue to
(30:38):
give me hope and life.
And so that's what that book is.
It's called the Morning Light.
I love it.
Morning M-O-U-R-I-N-G.
Ha, we're clever and so right,like yeah, it just it's a real
honor that I was sitting in thissunroom.
I bought my parents' house.
My mom died here and this washer favorite room.
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And I remember looking at Ellislast year my youngest and tears
streaming down my face and Isaid I think I did it, I think I
wrote all of the words.
Oh that must have been amazing.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
So good for you, good for you.
I love that room too.
By the way, that was myfavorite room in your house.
It's just like I just like I'mjust gonna stay here.
I'm going to book next time.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I see why she liked it, I see how she liked it.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
That's just so amazing, rachel, and I think it
just shows you what a giftvulnerability is, not to those
that you share it with, but toyourself you know, at the end of
the day it takes so muchcourage, but it's like I love
that word beautiful.
I'm going to use that for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
That was a Glennon Doyle, of course it was.
That was a Glennon and it's,and it's.
It captures so much, right, itdoes, oh, I love it.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Like excited is another one of my favorite words
of hers.
I was scared and excited at thesame time because, yeah,
sometimes it's a mash of allthese things.
Because, as we know too,another favorite of all of ours
is Brene Brown Atlas of theHeart and that book just to give
you language about emotionsthat we don't even have, and the
English language was justastounding.
So highly recommend you allcheck both of those amazing
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women out, because I do thinkmaybe that is part of the
challenge, right?
And I think why we do need yourgratitude journal, rachel, is
because we don't always know howto express those very complex
feelings.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
The ego says it can't be that easy.
The ego tells you there's noway that thinking of three
things a day to be grateful foris going to do anything for you.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Oh, you'd be amazed.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, and I will tell you there's nothing more
powerful than finding threethings a day to be grateful for
if you want a richer life.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Agreed, agreed.
I do that practice with my kids.
My daughter was struggling withsleep anxiety for a while and
the way we got through that waswhat are three things you're
grateful for?
Every night, right before bed.
And and she's held me to itafter all these years, I kind of
thought we'd drop the practice,and then I just picked it up
and started doing it with herbrother.
And you're right, it is amazingbecause it's like it doesn't.
Once you kind of get into thepractice, it doesn't take much,
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and then you just find yourselfdoing it on a more regular basis
.
It's a new habit.
Yeah, it's a new habit.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
You guys, if you're going to go run a marathon, you
don't just go buy new shoes andget to run it.
Right, you may go.
I'm going to walk a mile todayin the shoes I have and try to
maybe run for 10 seconds, and soit's the same thing, with
gratitude.
You have to allow the muscle todevelop and so if you start
today, love it, and so, if youstart, today.
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Look how much farther aheadyou'll be.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Exactly.
Oh, I love that analogy.
It's a great analogy.
You talked about the process ofwriting your book and then sort
of wanting to kind of have ormaintain that glossy image which
we all understand.
Like you said, the ego kind oftends to get in the way.
I'm curious when you're runninga business, how do you balance
intuition and gratitude withthat kind of perception of and
desired success?
Right, you don't start abusiness and say I want to fail.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
You define success for you.
We missed that step.
We think success is a big bankaccount, and you know Apple
watches and you know success forme for a long time was being
able to pay my bills on time.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Right, it feels good.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Success was being able to take a draw out.
Um, so I had a little vacationmoney.
Um, so first step is what issuccess for you?
I want to be.
I said to somebody.
I was like I think I want to bea billionaire.
I said for a long time I waslike I could be a millionaire.
I'm not there and I said, butlike, why not?
Because look at what I've builtfrom pennies.
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Could you imagine?
If I had dollars to pay, I knowright.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
If you only would fund us people.
Oh, a hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
It allows me.
And so how is it weaved into mybusinesses?
It is the business.
They're not separate.
There isn't a bank account andthen a gratitude account.
It's all together, and sodefining success has allowed me
to realize on the really shittymonths or on the really positive
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months, it's all okay, we needall of it.
That's the duality of life andliving, and so it's weaved in by
empowering a team to do theirbest and me being willing to
meet them where they're at andhelp them where we all need to
go.
It's in talking through my teamand allowing the whole human to
(35:36):
be there, right?
Um?
It's asking for help because wethink, as entrepreneurs, we
have to know it all in part.
You do, right, but there'speople out there that want to
help you, a lot more people thatwant to help you, that want to
hold you back, and so I think,amy, it's all in one piece,
(36:02):
right, like they're not separatefor me, and what that has
allowed me to do is show upevery day and do work that I
believe in, that I want to useto change the world, and the
work in getting there wasallowing all of me to be in the
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work, and we want to be like Italk about the hats right Like,
okay, I was a wife, I'm a mother, I'm an aunt, I'm a community
leader, I'm an author, I'm aspeaker, I'm a CEO, I'm a
founder, I'm an executivedirector.
What I really am is just Rachel.
(36:48):
And what would happen if I tookall the hats off?
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
And I said Rachel's here today and Rachel's going to
do her best job.
That meant therapy, it meantspiritual advisors, it meant
lots of dark nights of the soul.
It meant losing my marriage.
It meant losing friends right,but it allowed me to become.
(37:20):
And so now there's no, yeah, itall just is.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, we do try to really over compartmentalize.
I still I feel that so muchwhen I was still working in the
industry and like life wouldjust take a crazy.
When I was still working in theindustry and like life would
just take a crazy, crazy turn orthings at work got really,
really complicated and it wasjust hard.
Because you do, when you try tocompartmentalize, it's like
you're you're taking time tosuppress things that really
(37:49):
truly need to be addressed,which can be hard to do.
Right, because some peoplemight see certain things as like
, well, okay, I can't, you know,you've she can, I can't.
Right, exactly Cause you'remodeling certain things, right.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I tell people all the time you choose a lot of your
own suffering.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yeah Right, you guys, I'm not I.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
There's no high horse here.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
There's no, I'm holier than now.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I will tell you about every time I fall Right.
I will tell you about everyfailure.
I will tell you about everyburnt cookie.
Yeah, it's not about a highersuperiority.
No, it's about me loving who Iam.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
I love it.
Well, I definitely say withmodeling, you bring gratitude
into the workplace.
But for those who are listeningtoday, what are some ways that
they might be able to bringgratitude into the workplace as
like a mindset, as a practice,even if they're not the leader
right, Because we have a lot offolks that are listening.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
What if you started the meeting and before you
jumped into the work, youactually let the work happen?
And so what if you round robinthat question hey, before we
start the meeting today, we'rejust going to quickly go in a
circle and everybody needs tosay one thing they're grateful
for.
Hey, you're doing a one-on-one.
Before we do that, I'm going tolet you know three things I'm
grateful for.
Oh, I love that you know, hey,we've got a wall of post-it
(39:08):
notes and you know we're goingto make it accessible, so when
you're in this office, you canjust come and post what you're
grateful for, because all of asudden, too, again it goes back
to that mirroring that you'vetalked about, which is so
beautiful that you can startseeing.
You know, I tell people all thetime like somebody goes you're
not good at it, like I don'thave a boat.
(39:29):
I don't have a boat.
Yeah, you know there's a boat,and also I want a friend with a
boat, I don't want a boat, right?
And so, like it's not about theboat, it's about the breath.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
It's not about the new car.
It's about clean drinking water, you know.
It's not about this guy got apromotion.
It's about that.
I'm like in clothes that makemy body feel confident.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yes, holy Amy, yeah, yeah, it's such a good unlock.
It's such a good unlock, I loveit.
It just allows for so much and,yeah, you just come in better
for it.
On that note, you know, um, youknow burnout.
The word gets thrown out somuch that I think we're all
(40:16):
burnout on the word burnout.
But it's like, what else do wecall it?
What are some ways that wecould maybe leverage latitude or
gratitude, not latitude.
Clearly it's Friday, that'strue too.
Both can be true to really helppeople, kind of work through.
You know, when you're kind ofit feels like you're going
(40:38):
nonstop.
How can gratitude help younavigate the complexities of
what feels like just day-to-daylife, sometimes without burning
out?
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Well, I think it goes back to reflecting on you.
I think sometimes in theburnout space, it's because
we're so forward thinking.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Mm-hmm yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
And gratitude brings us back to the moment right,
it's because we're so forwardthinking, yeah.
And gratitude brings us back tothe moment, right, like we all
want to solve tomorrow's problemtoday.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
I also think that you know I will be crass, like
welcome to entrepreneurship.
Yeah, you know, like there is ajost hustle there.
Right, there is a hustle, and,um, I don't want to push
everybody to burnout, but what Iwant to share is is, every time
I didn't think I could, whathappened was my capacity was
(41:31):
allowed to deepen, so I Pushingto the brink might not be so bad
.
Yeah, if you realize that youcan deepen your capacity so I
can hold more.
I can hold more energetically,spiritually, mentally,
physically, emotionally.
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Burnout helped me in a way tobe able to get there, yep.
The other thing is a self-check, that burnout with your ego
going my mind's telling me Ican't take a day off.
I have a Sabbath day once aweek and I'm not good if I don't
have it.
That might look different.
(42:12):
I might not be able to have afull day, but it might mean that
Saturday and Sundays I don'tget out of bed until 10.
Yeah, I drink water.
I think you know that is one ofthe top health care tips I give
all the time You're dehydrated,period.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
I go to bed at eight o'clock.
My kids tuck me in.
I love it.
You know there's things that Ihave learned and allowed to help
me shelter some of the burnout.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
And there's also very clear seasons.
And so I know when I look at myyear, I'm running January
through May.
Right, I put a break in there,like I'll take a long weekend.
June is recoup.
Yeah, july is pull time.
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Yep, august, I'm running forthe races through November.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Right, and so if I know, I can do something about
it.
Yeah, so the long weekend I doa long weekend in October with
some girlfriends, and so it'snot that you have to leave the
city.
There's days that I don't getout of bed.
You know I love the Christmasholiday break because I think I
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watched a ridiculous, shamefulamount of movies over Christmas
break this year.
I mean Netflix.
Can you please drop some newstuff, Because I'm pretty sure
I've watched it all.
And so I think it's that it'sunderstand.
And guess what?
Nothing crashed and burned no.
And guess what?
Nothing crashed and burned, no.
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And the other thing I bringinto that is someone said to me
if you don't learn to rest yourteam, you will run through your
team because they will be soburned out.
So by me learning and that wasone of the most the best lesson
I think that was I don't know ifit was 23 or 24 that that came
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in what that allowed me to dowas realize, as a leader, when I
rest, they get caught up.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
And that's really important to my ecosystem.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Well, and how beautiful is it to, as somebody
who's running and leading abusiness in a team, to know that
you have trust in them, theyhave trust in you and you can
kind of just take your hands offthe wheel for a moment and you
don't go off course.
You stay on the road andsometimes, like, like you said,
things happen and sometimes theyget like that chance.
(44:54):
It really is and then when youwalk back it's like it's not,
like at least for me, it's notlike an ego hit to be like, oh,
they didn't need me after all.
No, they still need me.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
No, I'm like thank God, you didn't need me.
I'm taking three weeks nexttime.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Right, it's beautiful , it's a.
Really.
To me that's a sign of know.
Maybe I otherwise wouldn't havemade and I would have just kind
of stayed in the sameness orsafety and not made leaps and
bounds.
But by looking back at whatI've learned through kind of the
difficult things in my life,it's like no, I'm kind of
grateful.
It was hard and it sucked, andI don't.
I would prefer not to go throughit again, but there is a sense
(45:38):
of gratitude there because Icame out a different person, a
stronger person.
I definitely had some growth.
I've said that so many timestoo.
But if you ever want to getyour ass handed to you or kicked
, run a business, start abusiness and just like you're
going to learn so much aboutyourself because at the end of
the day it's like a marriageYou're waking up every day and
(46:04):
deciding am I going to keepgoing or am I just going to call
it off and say I'm done?
Like you said and actually oneof our mutual friends, crystal
Rainer, um, always says likeshe's like I quit every day, I
quit every damn day from it.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
You know, I I challenged myself as often as I
can to be done with work when Ipick the kids up by three.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yeah, and part of that is is when I'm 15 years in
and I sacrificed a lot of thattime with them in the front end,
and so now's my time to kind ofmake up for a little bit of
that.
And I have teenagers now, sothey're like really, mom, we
don't want to hang out with you,you're not, and so you know
like it's just a fun dance thatwe get to do.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Yeah, no, 100%, and I love it's so funny, like your
seasons and my seasons verysimilar.
It took me about three years ofbusiness ownership to sort of
see the trends.
And I love it because, like mykids, spring and fall break
align with both of those kind oftrends and seasonality.
So everyone knows like, yeah,this week and this week and once
again March, this week inOctober, usually in the
mountains with my kids, whereyou can't reach me via cell or
(47:05):
internet.
It's such a tremendous thing.
And so, on that note of liketaking rest in a Sabbath, as you
mentioned, elizabeth, one ofour live listeners hey,
elizabeth, thanks for asking.
She loves the idea, but she'skind of wanting more details on
what that means for you.
And she says it's so hard withall these Sunday reset videos.
Yeah, One.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
I don't watch those Right.
Turn those off.
There's no reset.
So what does a Sabbath day looklike?
For me Is that the question.
Yeah, so good.
When I got divorced, myex-husband would bring me tea
every morning, right?
So the first thing I did when Igot divorced was get an
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electric kettle that I can turnon from an app on my phone.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Sweet.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
So that when I finally do wake up, I turn that
on and I take a long slow hourdrinking.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
I love it.
That's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Then I go am I, am I needing to be in community, Like
do I need to have somebody, agirlfriend, over Like you know,
those dinners are a little morecasual, a little more laid back
or do I just need to like behome?
So like, I ask myself thatquestion, um question, mainly
because I'm an extrovert andsometimes I need to be around
(48:26):
the humans, right?
To like have that kind of bumpthat I need to feel my best.
I typically will write out onSunday, on that day of rest of
like, what the next week lookslike, that little bit of
inventory.
So I'm starting to like I don'twant to work.
(48:48):
There's no work here.
Am I taking the kids to a movie?
Are we renting a movie onAmazon?
I am not.
Most 99% of those days I am notcooking.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
I am ordering DoorDash, we are going to dinner
somewhere, um, which then againtoo, is, I think, really
reflective time with my kids,right, like as they become
teenagers.
They just want food out, right?
Mom's not cooking.
So you know, I there's noexpectation that anything has to
get done on my Sabbath day,that's.
(49:23):
I think.
The thing, Elizabeth, is that aSabbath day is not a Sabbath
day if there's 17 tasks on it.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
A Sabbath day is going.
I'm okay with the piles oflaundry and the dirty floor and,
um, the messy bed.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
And that's really hard, because I also am like
this is my day, I've got to getit all done.
No, I need to do laundry, soI'm working from home.
Tomorrow I'm going to put theload in before my call starts.
So that's part of that.
Look at what's happening andwhat might need to get done, so
that I know, because otherwiseI'm in my head and I'm and I'm
(50:05):
telling myself you know, youhave all this stuff that needs
to get done.
You shouldn't be resting, youshould not.
That should word man, shootingall over yourselves.
That little reflection shows mewhere I can put in the things
that need to get done so that Ican actually rest.
(50:25):
And for me, if it's out of myhead, then I can come down.
I also had to train myself.
It didn't start with a wholeday, it started with an evening.
I used to work 15 hours a day.
It was normal seven days week,like I just never knew how to
turn it off.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Um, and I'm up to a whole day.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
And I probably get three out of four of those in
the month Right, Like in allactuality, like, um yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Now, I think, being intentional and making time for
rest, putting it on yourcalendar so important, Yep.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Yep, as many of us live in my rest, yeah, you
schedule everything else.
Oh my gosh Well.
And then I know, in the dentistand you schedule eight nights
with your husband.
You schedule stuff with yourkids like get over it, right?
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Well, and then for me , it's like I have something to
look forward to.
You know, I read a study a longtime ago Lots of you have
probably heard it about the factthat, like most of us are our
happiest the week beforevacation, not while we're on
vacation.
It's everything about theanticipation and having
something to look forward to,which is why my phone is filled
with like multiple lists ofawesome air bmbs, because it's
like I finished one thing.
(51:33):
What's my next thing to lookforward to?
Yeah, you know, because it'slike I'm gonna work my ass off
the next four months.
What can I put at the end ofthat tunnel?
That's a little bit of light tobe there to like, look forward
to and rest.
So, yeah, you got to plan forit.
Oh, my goodness, all right.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Yeah, okay, is there any more questions?
No, you're good.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
No, I was going to say I want to make sure our live
listeners audience.
If they've got more questions,they can definitely ask them.
But I was going to jump to ourpower round questions.
But before I do that, was theresomething else you wanted to
say?
No, this is so great, I knowRight, it's so fun.
Um so yeah, audience, if you'vegot more questions like
Elizabeth had, don't be shy,drop them in there.
I'm going to go through thepower round questions real quick
(52:13):
.
So these are some some fun um,quick fire questions for you.
What is your go-to practiceduring back-to-back meetings and
things?
Water, oh, that's great, like Iyep, that's it I love it.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
That's right like because I don't like.
I think so much is like we haveto have all of these practices
and systems.
No, I just need to like, makeit simple.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
Make it easier on yourself.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Done.
This is with me everywhere,Like I love it.
People are like it's like asafe security blanket at this
point, you know, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Fantastic, I love that.
All right, quick gratitudereset when between your
professional and personal life,which I feel like you don't
separate much of the two basedon how I'm sending your earlier
answers, yeah, so there's likenot a need for a reset, right,
because you're not forcingcompartmentalization Like hey,
there's a little bit of anunlock for y'all.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
It's pretty wild Again.
I've been practicing gratitudefor over 30 years, yeah, and so
You've gotten good at it.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Yeah, but if you start today, right, exactly, you
just got to start today.
You just got to do that onelittle bit.
Don't make it huge.
It doesn't have to beeverything in one.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Three things.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Love it.
One way to show gratitude to aum a team member, whether that's
in person or virtual.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Listen to them, because if you listen, you're
going to hear.
You're going to hear the worryand you're going to hear the
fear, you're going to hear wherethey feel lost or stuck.
And then you can be thegratitude in that light because
you listened.
And then you're like, hey, Iheard you feel like you're a
(54:01):
little stressed out.
Is there anything be of service?
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Here's a cup of tea.
There's a glass of water.
Do you need anything else?
Speaker 1 (54:11):
That's beautiful.
What are you?
Speaker 2 (54:11):
grateful for Right.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Yeah, that's so beautiful, rachel, because we
talked about this before too onthe podcast how, like, I worked
at a place where they wanted toknow your love language and I
thought that was so strange, butthat's such a wonderful way to
listen and learn and understandhow do people receive love and
which I would include that as agratitude.
Like you know, maybe I'm notincentivized by you just being
like you did a great job.
(54:34):
Here's a hundred bucks.
Some people that's like yay.
Other of us want, you know,gratification or thank you,
something as simple as that, andoftentimes we tend to, I would
say we probably show up and showlove and gratitude, the ways we
like to receive them, and so,by listening, you're kind of
(54:54):
treating others not how youwould want to be treated.
You're treating them how theywant to be treated, which you
know people where they're at,not where you're at.
I love that.
That's such great advice.
All right, my last one thatI've got for you is best
gratitude habit for stayingpositive during a ton of change,
when things just kind of arelike left and right, a lot out
of your control.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
It's.
It's actually.
It's actually doing thepractice because again, it's
going to make you present youguys, your life is not in your
control.
Love you Right.
I love bursting that bubble andthe more you want to control it
(55:37):
and strangle it, all that doesis constrict and suffocate.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
Like allow the breath to be there.
You're free there.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
And so, if it's hard, practice more.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
Right, like what does the Buddha say?
Like, if you don't have time tomeditate for a minute, meditate
for an hour.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
Cause it's all what's real right Like.
If you are too busy, I willcall bullshit Right Like.
And so nobody's too busy for a60 second practice.
So maybe when it's really hard,push yourself, expand depth
(56:25):
capacity.
So instead of three things,it's 32 things that day.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
Instead of five things, it's it's 12 things that
you had that you were gratefulfor that day.
Stretch and make the capacitydeepen.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
Yeah, and I love it too, cause it's like often said,
but I don't.
I know, you and I both listenedto a lot of mindfulness and
meditation and read a lot of thesimilar like you know
literature and all that.
So I want to say it andhopefully not being too obvious
to our listeners, but it'scalled a practice for a reason,
right Like it's.
It's just because you're just,you're showing up and you're,
(57:01):
like you said, building thatmuscle.
It's not meant to be perfectevery time and there's never
going to be a time when you'reperfect, because there's no such
thing.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
Why do you want to be perfect?
You're beautiful, you're humanRight, absolutely.
Perfection's not going to makeyou go farther or faster.
Perfection's going to bury youin burden.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
Yeah, absolutely, it'll hold you up.
Yeah, I agree, I agree, well,you know what friend?
Thank you for showing up andfor doing this.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
Thank you for giving me this space to show up to.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
Absolutely, I'm just.
I always feel so lucky to beable to kind of you know, work
with you and partner with youand see what you're doing and
then bring it to our group andthe broader group of listeners.
Speaker 2 (57:47):
So thank you so much for giving me this opportunity
to share with them Of course, myabsolute pleasure and listeners
.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
Again, thank you for showing up and sticking it out.
We know there's always a lot ofthings that are pulling on your
time and I don't know.
I just always thought, everytime I show up to things like
this, I walk away feeling awhole lot happier that I did so.
Hopefully it was all well worthyour time.
Everyone, thank you so much forjoining us this week.
It's been a fantasticconversation.
Rach, I really appreciate it,excited to hang out soon, and
(58:16):
everyone else until then.
Hopefully you can join us nextweek.
Until then, keep asking, keepgiving and keep growing.
We'll see you all soon.
Thanks everyone.
Bye.
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