May 16, 2025 • 51 mins
T Lo look at Beyonce's concert tour woes, dive into the latest Taylor Swift news in the Blake Lively case, and unpack whether Prince Harry is being naive or manipulative regarding his family. Then: Why is "Hacks" flopping so hard? And are the Cannes Film Festival red carpet rules fair or not?
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
We're Tom Loreno and this is the Pop Style Opinion Fest.
Hell look, and welcome back to another edition of the PSO.
I am the Tea and Utilo Tom Fitzgerald and I'm
here with the Low and Utilo, Lorenzo lovel husbandy, how
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the second one was truncated because of COVID, but on
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to throw them out, so I kept them all. I
still have them. I have a drawer full of about
I don't know three or four hun post books with
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your autographs on them, which is adorable.
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It is.
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Be there or be square, be here or be queer. Okay,
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so we have much to discuss. We have some celebrity gossip,
we have some TV stuff, and we have some red
carpet stuff. So this is a full pop style opinion.
All right, what are we going to do first? I'll
start with Harry. We have a bunch of like sort
of celebrity tiktoki type things to talk about. And I
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had been wanting to mention Prince Harry because you know,
people seem to like when we weigh in on the Royals,
especially Harry and Meghan. And when I say like, also
hate because I know every time we weigh in on them,
there's another thread on redded about what terrible assholes we are.
So Harry recently lost one of his cases against getting
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security protect and for his family while they're in the
in the UK. He lost that case and then he
gave an interview to the BBC, and I mean, this
is what puzzles me about him. I can't wrap my
head around are you dumb? Are you naive? Or are
you just manipulating everyone? He gave an interview to the
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BBC and basically said, you know, my father isn't speaking
to me, and I'm just on the doors open and
I'm waiting for my family to reconcile. Blah blah blah
blah blah. And my take on this is has always
been Look, when Harry and Meghan broke off from the
family and came to America, I thought it was a
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good idea for the tell of them. I still think
it was a good idea because they were drowning in
that situation. But I was shocked at the things that
they said about the family once they left, because everything
I know about that family, having written about them and
read about them for decades, is that they don't respond
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well to that sort of thing at all at all.
I mean, they didn't respond well when Diana did it,
Like I don't know what. Well, at the time, I
was like, I don't know what they're thinking. There is
never going to be a reconciliation because they're telling all
this stuff. They're you know about William hitting him and
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you know, about what a bitch Camilla is and everything
like that. And I was like that what I guess,
all right, I guess they're blowing it up. That's the point.
They're just blowing it all up behind them. But then
he kept talking about reconciliation and about wanting to reach
out and start a conversation, and I'm like, what the hell,
what are you talking about like that? How do you
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not know the history of your own family? Guy?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Right? I think that's when the naive part comes in,
you know, and I think he's very naive, I think,
because well, I don't know. I mean, when you look
at these people, these people don't have a lot of
experience in life.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
They don't they don't, they really don't. They don't. They
don't go out and interest to see candid video of
any of them, like having a kid. They don't even know.
They don't know how to have a conversation, they don't
know what to do. They are the dullest people you
will ever ever meet, because these people.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Get out of the box and put back in the box.
I mean they don't they don't interact with people. They
don't have a normal life. They don't have a normal family.
And he should know that better that he doesn't have
a normal family. These people don't have feelings in general
like most people do.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
You're not going to start a conversation with King Chock.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
So this whole idea that you know you want to be.
You don't want to do what what the royal family
does anymore. You want to move to another country, but
at the same time you want to be just like
anything never happened. I mean, that's not that type of family.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
No, it is not that type of air or not.
That is not the family you were born into.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
It right and and and to a certain extent, you
and your wife. They want certain rights even though they
want to don't want to work for them anymore. It's like, Okay,
I quit my job, but I want my company to
still pay my insurance.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I don't begrudge him getting security. I don't begrudge that
you have enough money to have your own security. My
understanding is that it is much more expensive in the
UK or whatever. You have to kind of security. Have
you seen unlimited money, Lorenzo. They have their house goes
fifteen million dollars last time I checked. That is that
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is a mid range mansion. That's not some I could
be wrong on this, but they don't live as extravagantly
as you might think. They have money, but they don't
have They're not billionaires. You know, Well, you should have
thought about it when you gave up everything. I mean, yes,
and no, I don't. I don't begrudge him for giving
that up. I don't. I think it's sometimes weird when
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people get hoppy about that. I'm like, what the fuck
do you care?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Me?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Like, what do you care about? He's not doing royal
stuff anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
But here's what I think happened. He gave up everything
because they had these granny oath plans that they were
going to do it all, and you know, and I'm
quite sure that he thought he was going to make
a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
And then go back and and then go back or whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, and then that didn't happen because they are terrible
at whatever they do, and uh, you know, they keep
pissing everybody off. You know, don't do things that they're
supposed to be Still.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Heay, but I still I'm sorry, but I think she's
blameless and in all of this, No, I disagree.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I do.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I think she married into a fucked up family. That's
not her fault.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Anyway, So let's fok on. He then, so, he thought
he was going to be making all this money. Uh,
he thought that he'd be gonna he was gonna be covered,
you know, but the money didn't come. They're not making
that much money to cover for all these you know,
stuff that they have to cover financially. So so now
he's like, oh, no, no, no, well you know what,
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I still want that over there? You can't have that.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Well, I don't think I honestly don't think it has
to do with money. I think he always thought that
he would reconcile with them. I think he thought that
he was gonna go out world and speak his truth
and that it was going to somehow lead to some
sort of reconciliation and better understanding and blah blah blah
blah blah. But like I said, that's not your family.
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I don't know how you said. This is what I
want to float because either he is incredibly stupid about
his own family, or he's saying these things to manipulate.
I mean he's just being manipulative. Boohoo, who my daddy
is dying and he won't see me, right, I mean,
you're going to the press and saying that that's manipulative.
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He listened. I'm not defending Charles. I think it sucks
you're dying. You screwed that kid up pretty bad with
the way you acted during his child mother screw him up.
I agree, So you owe him even that has fucked
up as he is, as much as he might have
hurt your family, you're the one that created this fucked
up dynamic in the family. And you know, I do
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think he's an asshole. You have grandchildren, You have grandchildren
that you're simply not seeing. But you're supposed to be
the you know, the spiritual moral leader of a country.
It's pretty fucked up. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I think the main issue here is that you decided
that you were not going to be part of the
royal family institution anymore, but but you're still halfway there.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I mean, that doesn't work. That doesn't work. He thought
he was going to do some sort of half and
half thing.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, which they were never going to allow that, yeah, never,
absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
So he's very naive about that, and now he realized that,
you know, the smart thing for them to have done, right,
because I do think it, excuse me, getting out of
royal life was imperative. It was killing Megan and he
was always unhappy. So I think they were right to
get out of royal life. But they really should have
cut the ties completely. No titles. Don't insist on prince
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and princess for your children. I think it's weird that
their children are called prince and princess. They're Americans.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Well again, they one half and half. And the thing
is that you can't I mean, you should know you're
part of it. You should know that this family specifically
will put everything above family, like, yeah, there's their duty
that's first, and there's way down on the list.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Exactly they they Yeah, if not, he knows this, I'm
sorry Harry doesn't know this. He's I really think he's
just throwing bombs at this point. I don't I'm not
sure to what extent he thinks this is going to
benefit him. But I can't believe he's so naive as
to think going to the BBC is going to force
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his father to reconcile with Like, I don't see it happening.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
What he doesn't understand is that he thinks that giving
by giving these interviews, that they're gonna poke something or somebody.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
It's forcing their hand.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
But it's quite the opposite. It's causing the opposite. They're
hating him even more. Yeah, because then they think he's
irresponsible for saying the things he's saying, you know what I.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Mean in the public, I mean, yeah, Uh. This is
something that comes up a lot of times in our
coverage of Harry and Meghan because they of course they
have a lot of American fans, right, and those American
fans do not seem to understand half the time that
Harry Meghan are extremely unpopular in Great Britain, extremely unpopular.
He has ruined his brand. So I still don't understand
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why he does these things, Like you're going to the
BBC and Bill Hooing, are you do you think the
public's gonna take your side at this point? Do you
think the public is going to take your side regardless
of whether they should. They're clearly not going to, and
your your ability to manage the press is frankly as
terrible as your mother's.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
They're there, they really don't know how to hand to
pr Now there's a whole thing now with the Beckham uh,
you know, the whole drum of the beck.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
And and then that's kind of shitty. It's a shitty thing.
It's a horrible thing. Okay, let's explain. They invited Brooklyn
Beckham and his wife I can't remember her name to
a dinner party at the Monacito mansion, and David and
Victoria that his parents are good friends with William. Yeah,
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so it feels oh, and apparently like Brooklyn is not
getting along with his parents. Oh no, sort of.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
The kids are fighting because because of the wives and girlfriends.
So it's a very long story. In fact, they didn't
even go to uh Davy Beckham's birthday party. Yes, so
they're they're like crush. There's a whole drama going on there.
And then of course Megan and.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Harry decided to support you insert themselves in it. And
that's the kind of bullet where it's like you're just
being assholes at this point.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
So I'm reading all this stuff about how Megan and
Harry are supporting the beck in this right now.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Blah blah blah. Why why why are you getting a
loser in an asshole? I mean, why do you even
want to be affiliated with them?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
No, that's just that's the thing about them that they
don't They never seem to understand that their pr is
always wrong.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, it always makes them look bad. I mean, like
I said, they have an American fan base, Lorenzo, like,
there is a certain level of popularity there that that
that works for them. And I guess there's this. I
guess that's their brand now. Their brand now is going
to be fucking with the Royal family, you know, just
a little sticking, little knives in any chance they can
get and Netflix deals or whatever. I know, I really
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wish them well. When they first left, I think they
she was treated terribly by the press in that country
and probably by that family. I wish them went first.
But no, I don't know. I don't care anymore. Everything
has been a mismanagement from the jump. I have no
problem with her TV show or her Raspberry Jam or
any of that shit. I really don't. And when they're
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doing Invictus stuff, they're fine. But this like inviting the
Beckhams to a what, that's nonsense. All right, let's move
on from that that. Oh well, this is a segue,
although it's not a very good one. They Megan and
Harry were at Beyonce's concert. Yes, there was all over
the social Media's fine, that's fine too. Harry wore a
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cowboy hat, which I'm pretty sure was a dream of
his his whole life. And that's our segue to yes,
beyond something about it, beyond it. Beyonce is out touring,
and you know, and this massive thing as usual because
now we do mega productions, and so it's a stadium tour.
It's a stadium too, as usual.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
And so she started in La and it went well
the first night and then it just fell apart, the
whole thing, and TikTok had a few of the I
mean TikTok wouldn't stop talking about it because you get
the images. What happened was they had so many technical
issues and with whatever was going on in stage. I
don't know if you guys know, but she has like
a robot arms coming out and kind of like embracing her,
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and then they do all kinds of stuff and nothing worked.
The second day, everything just went like crazy and at
some point she she's on stage and they forgot to
mark where she's suppose to stand so that the arms
can come. And she was like, you could see on
her face, like, oh my god, this army is gonna
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hit me and by me. So she's like very afraid
that the army's gonna come and hit her. In fact,
the arm comes, you know, in front of her and
back and behind her, and she steps back because one
of the arms almost hit her. Everything is going on
the stairs. There's one song she sings and she goes
down the stairs and the stairs are not coming at
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the right time, so she's.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Waiting for the stairs. And then another one was the.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Robot army is supposed to pour her a whiskey in
the glass that she has on the table, and the
arm missed the glass and pours all over the table
and she's looking at it, you know, laughing. My point,
and you know, everyone felt very bad for her, and
I feel bad for her. But my point is like
I think things are getting out of control, like how
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big they are, how many.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
These unmanageable shows.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
It's just it gets to a point that you relying
so much on all these things going on on stage,
that if they don't work, then you screwed.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Not only that, but these elaborate shows are partially what
drives up tickets, you know, ticket prices, so you know,
these concerts are getting bigger and bigger and more and
more expensive, and you know there's diminishing returns. I think
we're going to see the death of the stadium tour
over the next couple of years. I don't want to
sound old here because I understand oh too late for that.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Well, anyway, my point is that I don't expect you
if you have a massive stadium with you know, millions
of people watching you, you can't just be alone on
stage that little dot they're singing.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You want, you know, entertainment, You want people to look
at things. But it's getting out of control. Like I
don't understand why you have to have fifty people dancing
with you at some point, and then you.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Know, well you have to because people are so far
away that they can't sing anything, so that you have
to put on this enormous space in order to have
anything for them to look at. Otherwise, why I paid it?
You know, it's just a machine that eats itself. And
you know, like last year, Jal thought she could do this,
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She thought she could mount a stadium tour, and it
was humiliating for her. She had to cancel it. And
I don't think Beyonce is at that level. I don't
think beyond that Beyonce, i'd likely ever be at that level. Never.
But it's it's not great. I mean, her last few
stadium tours were like cultural events, and now this one.
Everyone's making fun of it on TikTok. I'm sure she's
making plenty of money and she's doing fine, but this
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is what I mean about diminishing returns. You can't keep
doing it right.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I feel bad because I understand how controlling she's got.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I'm sure she's fine.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Because I'm sure they're they're they're hating that. That's all
people were talking about. Many articles were reading reading about that,
like all the stuff not working on stage, as opposed
to be talking about the actual show.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Right. So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I just think I feel like things got out of here.
They're just big and I would never attend one of those.
I'm sorry, no, but you.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Don't want to sound old.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
No, all right, we're gonna take no, no, no, let
me finish here. Even when I was young, a very
young queer boy, I never liked shows like those. Yeah,
big shows. No, never attended a big cons.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It's just not me. I don't know, I don't like them.
All Right, we're going to take a short break and
then we're going to come back and talk a little
bit about Taylor Swift and a little bit about Hacks
and a little bit about the can Red carpet. We'll
be right back. We are back. We're going to do
one final bit of celebrity gossip before we jump into Hacks,
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which we have neglected for several weeks now, justin Baldoni's
ongoing lawsuit against or string of lawsuits. But Blake Lively
is suing him, he's counter sewing her, and it's ugly,
and we've stayed out of it because it's so ugly.
And I really hate watching this unfold because well we've
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said this before. Like Blake Lively, she's got a reputation,
she's there's a certain level, there's a certain portion of
the public who finds her really annoying. And I tend
to be one of those people. I think she the
way she conducts herself in public can be kind of annoying.
I think. However, let me just say right, I want
to just that is what's being weaponized right now by
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Justin Baldoni's team. It is literally exactly the same thing
Johnny Depp did to Amber Heard. Amberhard was also someone
who was perceived as kind of an annoying person in public,
and that was weaponized to use against her, and that's
and her career was destroyed because of it. And I
know that's a very simplified version. And if you're a
Johnny Depp fan, guess what, I really don't want to
hear your version. So what's going on right now with
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Blake Livey it's largely the same thing where he is
using his he's using the law and lawyers to go
after her anyway he can. And one of the things
he's done is that he went after Blake Lively. I
mean he went after Taylor Taylor Swift, who is famously
one of her Blake Lively's closest friends.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
They're not anymore. They unfollow everybody.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
So I think that may be because of legal stuff.
I think no, I that's the thing. Uh, All these
all this like information gets passed around on places like
TikTok and turned into something that it probably isn't like Okay,
Taylor swept unfollowed Blake Lively. I don't necessarily think that's
because they're on the outs. I think that's because they're lawyer. Right.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Well, let's talk about information in fact that are coming
out now, not just on TikTok, thank you very much,
but also on Good Morning America own TikTok. I know,
but my point is that I listen to other two stuff.
You know, there are other places that I go to.
Good Morning American was talking about. The new piece of
information now is that uh uh, Baldoni's attorney, you know,
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are saying that they got some information that apparently Blake
Lively would threaten Taylor Swift, asking her to write a
letter supporting her, and if she didn't do it, she
would release a ton of text messages or whatever that
she had for like for the last ten years, something
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like that. That's what his team is claiming. Uh, that's
what happened. They got a phone call saying that blah
blah blah. So now there's been a they she they're
threatened Taylor Swift to come out with that information, you know,
and Blake Live and all that stuff, and Teylo Swift
has been saying all this all along, she's been saying,
leave me out of this. If you need any information,
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go talk to Taylor, Go talk to Blake Lively team,
leave me out of this. And you know, Blake, Taylor
Swift has enough money and power that she can be
out of it if she want. But if they've been
to her, then it's a different story. That's the piece
of information that is out there. But then her team
it's no Blake live is that's saying that that that
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never happened, that that's not true.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
And then you know, Ty, this is my point. Now
we're talking about this thing that we have no idea
whether it's true, and it makes Blake Lively look really
really bad, right, and there's no information, but the public
is going to be bat this around and paint a
picture of Blake Lively as this manipulative bitch, a mean girl.
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And maybe she is. I'm not here to defend her,
but I think it's very very obvious what Baldoni's team
is doing. And I think that alone, the fact that
you are trying to separate her from her allies to
peel them, that is what abusers do to their victims.
Right is to peel off allies and to make sure
that that that you have no you know, support from
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from the people who normally support you. It's dark stuff.
And I think when we get into like ooh, they
unfollowed each other and ooh, Blake Lively is a mean girl,
I think we are doing exactly what Justin beldo is
lawyer want us to do. So that's my take off.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I do believe that Blake Lively expected Tillo Swift to
support her. Maybe I don't know her, but there's no
way Taylor Swift was going to do any of that.
I mean, she's very private. She's not gonna get involved
in somebody else this problem. But she might get subpoena
and have to have to, you know, appear in court.
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And and that's the huge that it's.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Going to happen. I know. He just to get that
story out there. He gets subpoena and she goes in
and then she starts testifying. Then she can deny everything,
you know, and then it flows up in Baldoni's face.
This way, he gets a story out there that makes
them look bad, makes them look manipulative, makes them look
like bitches. This is exactly what Johnny Depp's team did.
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It's what Jonathan Major has tried to do to the
girl that he beat up. It's it's yeah. This is
the common tactic now is that when male abusers get
sued by their female victims, they counter so and they
try and ruin their reputation. And unfortunately, we live in
a time where the public is quite happy to let
them do that, especially if it's some woman who the
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public has decided they don't like. And I don't like
Blake Lively either, but she doesn't deserve this. All right,
anything else? Do we have any other celebrity gossip?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
No?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
That's it. So now we can move on to Hacks, Yes,
which I love. Okay, so there's like four episodes. Yeah,
we're way behind, and actually I hadn't seen them until
the last night. I sat and binged four episodes to
get caught up, and uh, you know, four episodes is
about two hours, and I think I mildly chuckled once
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in that two hours. The show is flopping as far
as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Here's another flaw that I see now is that the
need to bring those actors back, like her daughter all
these people. Yeah, you know, Eva's mother. So they're coming
out with these stories that make no sense so that
they can have these actors back and just yeah, some
of the stories don't make it anything.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Well. I mean like, there was a whole episode on
a christening and I was like, Okay, it's a christening
of a character who was not a main character. I
barely even be called a supporting character. It's their baby.
I get it. I get the connection with Deborah, but
it was this whole church episode and I was like
about religion, and I guess that's what they said. Yeah, right,
I have no problem with themed episodes, and we don't
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need to advance the plot or whatever in every episode.
But I just I was like, what are we doing here?
What is this like? Oh, Deborah hates the pope, that's
the whole episode. You bring up a point about bringing
in these people. One thing I noticed watching these four
episodes in a row is how isolated Deborah and Ava are.
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In the earlier seasons of the show, they were surrounded
constantly by a cast of character. She had a whole
staff at her mansion and she had, you know, the
casine boss that she was sort of having an affair
with and you know, the Blackjack dealer and all there
were all these people around them, right, and all those
people are mostly gone now we only see her housekeeper
(28:11):
every once in a while. Marcus made one appearance this
this season and he was gone. Yeah, she has that
bitchy assistant again. He's he gets one or two lines
per episode and then he's gone, and it's just the
two of them, and I listen, they have great chemistry.
I love watching the two of them together. And there
are still moments that scene after after Debora went in
(28:37):
the ocean because she thought Ava was killed, where they
just sat there, you.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Go, That's when it worked. But it's about their talent,
the two of them. Yeah, when they start to creating
these stories about I mean, god, I still hate and
I'm fast forwarding you now Jimmy and Kayla.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
My god, I can't take those two. I don't hate
they're herd. The way I get you, I find them
really pointless. I here's what I okay. So in previous episodes,
there was a cast of characters that were around Ava
and and Deborah. They were all largely in the same
spaces and they were interacting together. But like Jimmy and Caleb.
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They just are like a separate TV show. They almost
never have scenes with Ava and Deborah, and they're doing
all of their storylines are stuff that is happening separate
from and it's horrible. It's not interesting. It's got a
dog thing. Come on. Yeah, that whole dog thing was weird.
Also the thing with the Coyoto coyotes eating Debra's dog,
(29:36):
Oh Jesus, I did not need that. Well, the dog
was fine, it didn't get killed. But I was like
when they show, I was like, why are we doing this?
We are going through the house calling the dog's name,
and I'm like, no, that's not what this show is.
I know that is not what this show is. I
think it's a classic example of you know how in
(29:56):
TV shows when you have sexual tension between two ca characters,
will they or won't they? And it always ruins the
show when they get together. This is like that will
they or won't they? Ever get a nighttime talk show?
Well you gave them the night time talk show, and
now there's you don't seem to have a story. It
looks like the.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Night show, it's the talk show is going to go
on for at least until the end of the season.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I have no idea. So they were number one in
the rating.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Right because we know because we previously we talk about like, oh,
we don't think this is going to work, and move
it would, but I don't know, and now I don't know.
It might take a little longer than we expect it.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
And you know, I'm not wishing you know that it failed,
but I do think I've said this before. One of
the failings of the of Hacks is that while the
two actresses in the in the lead roles are very,
very funny, in those roles when the script calls for
them to be funny, basically, when Debra's doing stand up,
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it's not fun The jokes are rarely ever all that funny.
And that was always a failure of the show because
you keep telling us that she's this great comic and
she's doing amazing work and it's getting all this press.
But I never lived at any of her jokes because
they were always like hacky old lady jokes, you know,
about whatever kind of stuff that Joan Rivers was doing
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late in her career when she wasn't really all that
funny anymore. So then they get this TV show, and
so much is spent on how they're going to develop
this show and what they're going to do that's going
to be different, And every time they show a clip
of that show, I'm like, that is not a talk
show I would watch. That is the lamest looking talk show,
just lame. Is that deliberate? I think it is.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I think they're they're they're making a comment here on
how silly those talk shows are.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
We're talking about how talk shows are dying, and they are.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I think I think it is. It's sort of like
they're you know, they're they're making fun of it much.
I also hate the way they they showed the team
everyone's so stupid, so nerdy, and I don't know that's
the thing.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
They have to do this sort of they have to
introduce tension into a scenario where if you had that
kind of tension in that specific scenario, everyone would get fired.
Like Deborah and Ava are screaming at each other in
front of a studio audience, and I'm like, no, come on, no,
you got to drop this storyline because once you gave
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them a TV show, you can't have them screaming in
front of people because they both get fired or it
would be a huge scandal or whatever. It's that kind
of stuff. And yeah, the writings when Ava had her
big meltdown and quit and then Deborah went and they reconciled.
I swear to god, I thought that episode was going
(32:49):
to end with them saying, and let's fire the staff.
We'll do this on our own. Like I thought they
were going to fire that writing staff because they're also disrespectful.
They're also stupid and you never see them right. If
you're telling me that someone's funny, you got they gotta
be funny on camera. If you're telling me that that's
a talented writing step, you got to show me that
they're talented, because they just look like idiots.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
It feels to me that the show wants to make
the point that, you know, these how stupid all these
people are. The HR people are stupid, like the woman completely,
it's just an idiot. The character is idiots. The show
used to be smarter than now. It's all sitcoming, you know,
going in the bathroom and then like they have to wait.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
They would never will HR person would do that. That
is the violation.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
But no, that's so Debora Dava would never be outside,
you know, standing waiting for the for the woman to
finish whatever she was doing.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
No, that whole thing was just like I get it.
It's a joke here, you're making a joke, but it's
not funny and not you anymore. This show and there's
two women. I love these two actresses. I love watching
them together. I don't laugh at all because they keep
making them. All they do is fight, and the fights
get nastier and nastyre their behavior it's getting I don't know,
(34:02):
it's very childish. To me, it is very childish.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I mean, these two women. We should be celebrating these women,
how accomplished they are. But but they act like like
they're little girls.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
I mean when they were screaming in front of the
studio audience, I was completely checked out. I was like,
this is just dumb, right, they wouldn't act this way,
and if they are acting this way, I want them
to fail. I'm actually rooting for the two of them
to fail because they don't deserve the success. I don't
understand not what the show should be.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I do understand why he's making every character stupid, like
the Mada act very stupid. The system on the bus,
that's you on the Bush, What is it? Why is
why body has to be stupid? It over sells all
of that. It was always fine to have quirky, weird
like the Las Vegas Mayor characters. She's still really funny,
(34:50):
that's fine, But I agree why everyone, I mean, we
are at The thing is when Hack started, it was
about a bunch of people who were kind of at
low points in their career, so you could deal with
all of these losers and weirdos. But now we're not,
like Jimmy and Kala should be acting a little bit
more professionally. They shouldn't be hiring weird people like that person.
(35:12):
So it's very hard to buy into any of this.
Another example, they did like a demographic study or they
and they said that women a mother's you know, didn't
like Debor and that would be funny and interesting and
you could build on that, except we were told that
Debora spent decades selling products on HGTV, So right, she
(35:33):
has a built in audience, and it's those women can't
you can't pitch me, that you can't sell me. That
suddenly those women don't want or if you're going to
sell me, that sell me. As her fan base all
turned on her or something like that, but you're not
doing well with women. She was on HGTV for like
ten years. How could that be possible? I want more
of like Julia Nicholson playing the dance Mom that she's
(35:56):
a funny character, and Larriet.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
She's a really good parody of those TikTok personalities. But
then know when she rented the place and I don't
know when she was partying and everything, I didn't find
any of them. I was like, all right, I guess, so.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Again they're making the point. That's that's I've mentioned this before.
Shows like this and like the Studio, and it shows
they they're most of the jokes are like inside jokes.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Are you know? It's about a Hollywood that doesn't exist
that they wish to existed.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
It's about a Hollywood that they experienced or they wish existed.
And most of the people watching the show, they have
no idea. So I get the whole thing with the
Dance Mom that that's what happened with this TikTok people.
They get a lot of money and they buy big
houses that they lose everything or something happens. They're not
the real person, Like she's not a dance mom, right,
stuff like that. I get all the joke, but that's
(36:50):
not for everybody and it and sometimes it doesn't go
well with the rest of the show.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, I really feel bad because I love this show
and I really love those two actresses, but it's I
just think it's flopping. I think I don't know what
they thought was going to happen once they gave the
characters what they wanted, but they should have had a
better game plan making them fight for like eight episodes
(37:16):
like nasty nasty fights. Why did you think the audience
wanted to watch that?
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I remember watching season one and loving the show, loving
the show so much, and thinking there's not enough here
for four.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Seasons, five seasons. Yeah no, the reason, Yeah no, I
don't know. Let's take another break and we'll come back
and we'll talk about the red carpet. It can all right, Yep,
we're back, and for once, we actually have some red
carpet stuff to talk about. When we conceived this podcast
ten years ago, I mean that was the name of it,
(37:49):
pop Style Opinion Fest, and I thought we would be
doing more style stuff, but it's largely been pop culture stuff.
It's a little difficult to talk about fashion if you
have no visual aids. Right way. So the Can Film
Festival is underway and there was a kerfuffle earlier. Just
before the festival got underway, the committee in charge released
(38:12):
a statement that there would be a dress code this year,
instituted on the red carport. And you know, unlike say
the Oscars or the Megala, the Can Film Festival security
is aggressive and they have kicked people off like famous people.
They have made things difficult. You know, there were scandals
in past years about how aggressive their security can be.
(38:34):
So when they just want to say when they instituted
dress code, like people need to take it seriously because
there will be an embarrassing moment where someone gets turned
away for violating that dress code. Let me just say
I don't have the press release in front of me.
But the essentially the dress code is asking people asking women,
because of course they're not instituting anything on men. Famously,
(38:57):
the Can Film Festival wants turned away female stores for
not wearing high heels on the red carpet and it
turned into a major, major problem. It's always been weirdly
conservative in how it feels people should act. But the
strange thing is the can Film Festival is famous for
being this free for all. There's porn stars and models walking,
(39:19):
you know, the quasette. It's everybody comes there to get
their picture taken. And it's always been known as a
slightly tacky event, and I guess they're bristling under that,
under decades of that reputation, and now they're trying to
make it seem more whatever. So they don't want women
wearing elaborate space taking gowns. They don't want enormous trains
(39:41):
and enormous things that are going to block the view
if they're sitting in the theater. They also are instituting
address code about revealing clothing. They don't want, you know,
women showing nipple or anything like that. Now we're not
in the same page on this. I don't think there's
(40:02):
anything wrong with it a dress code instituted on a
red carpet. I do think, yes, we should point out
that these things are always, uh, you know, directed at
women and not at men. However, men do not typically
show up on red carpets in outfits that obscure the
view or that make it difficult for other people to
(40:22):
walk around them, and men do not wear generally do
not wear terribly revealing outfits on the red carpet. So yes,
we can point out that these things tend to be
corrected at women, but you know, men, all they need
to do is show up in a tuxedo and they're
fine dress shoes and a tuxedo in their find. The
(40:43):
reason I think I'm not entirely opposed to this dress
code is because I do think some of this stuff
has gotten a little out of hand in the last
several years. I don't care about nip on the Red carpet,
I really don't. There have been some very beautiful dresses
that were not lined in the bust, and I was
(41:03):
not scandalized by them. But I gotta say halle Berry
at the Mecala was like a moment for me where
I was like, Okay, that's just too much. That's just
too much. And you said before we flipped on the mic.
If you don't remember, it's on our site, halle Berry
wore a Lakwan Smith gown that wasn't lined, and you know,
(41:24):
you can basically see her vulva in it. If she
moved a certain way, you could see it. And that's
just too much. As far as I'm saying that's just
too much, and you can call me a pristy gay
man or whatever. But if some guy's balls or Dick's
what was hanging out of his outfit, I would say
the same thing. We used to yell it John Ham
for not wearing underwear on the red carpet. So I
feel like we're being even minded about this anyway. I
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also think the elaborate nature of some dresses. It's fine
for things like the Metcala, and maybe even for awards
ceremonies like the Oscars, but at an actual film festival,
when the point is you're supposed to be watching movies,
showing up in these outfits that are so elaborate that
no one can see around you and no one can
walk around you on the red carpet, some of these
(42:08):
outputs do approach obnoxiousness. There's trains, and then there's like
something the size of a conference table behind you that
no one you know, that requires like five attendant. You're
not royalty, you're just a movie stories and that sort
of stuff has gotten out of hand over the last
several years. So I am not entirely opposed to a
(42:29):
film festival saying we need you to tone this stuff down.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
You go.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Well, I feel that.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Again it's going with the times, you know, being very
conservative in general. I think Europe is very very conservative
right now in general, and I think it's been like
this lately, and I think that's a reflection of that.
I mean, of all places, France, I mean, come on,
you know where fashion it's all about France. I have
(42:57):
a major problem with that because, first of all, you
can say dress formally, you know, and uh, but I
feel like the the new rules only applied to women
because in general.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
And I agree that that's problematic.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yes, it's problematic because we had the heels the shoes first.
That again women, and they claim that, you know, you
have to dress a certain way. But you know, men
are supposed to wear a tuxedo number one, and a
lot of men don't wear a tuxedo, and they get
away with them. They mostly wear to now some of
them don't and they get away with it. I mean
Tom Cruise, we.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Just had him right, yeah, no, no, he was in
a tux Yeah he was. My point is that they
let men wear whatever they want.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Uh. And of course men are just gonna wear basic shit. Uh.
Women get to wear more interesting stuff. I And as
you said, Ken is all about the I don't know,
the spectacle, the spectr of the obnoxious, you know, presence
of all kinds of things. As you said, there are
we don't get to see them. But there are a
(43:58):
ton of you know, B list actors and movies that nevertheless,
and gencorn stars.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
They horn stars going official, but they are there. They
all converge on CAN.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Right, and so they do have all these people walking around,
you know, dress however they want. I think women should
wear whatever the fuck they want to wear number one. Uh,
if they want to wear it, If they want to
expose a nipple, that's fine, if whatever they want to do.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Uh, I know, I disagree.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Can is not like the met Gala or the Oscars
or anything where you actually get to see these people
inside the theater. Ken is all about the outside, those stairs, right.
So if you don't let these people wear whatever they want,
then you don't have any coverage. People are not gonna
cover CAN. If it's not about the the the the
outside people photographed.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
To disagree with that people were covering, CAN just find
before women started, you know, removing their bras or or
the outfits got elaborate I don't believe that's true, and
this does get to I think part of the reason
why they are instituting this dress code is because it's
not about fashion and it's not about films. It's about
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going viral. So these outfits get more and more outrageous,
more and more elaborate, they get further and further away
from what I would consider chic because they're just parade floats.
You mentioned. Halle Berry mentioned she's a committee member, a
jury member, and I honestly feel like, yes, I do
think her Mechala dress might have scared them a little
(45:33):
and that's why they She said she had a scramble
to get rid of some dresses and make some substitutions,
and she mentioned that one of the dresses that she
was going to wear was Aguara Gupta dress, which we
have featured him on our site plenty of times. He
is an Indian designer that does these enormous sculptural old
gowns with huge pieces off the back or off the
top that are Again I'm not saying he's not valid designer,
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but a lot of his stuff skews towards the TACKI
and skews towards spectacle. It's less about fashion and more
about wearing this outrageous costume and getting as much coverags
as you can. It becomes about the stars, and it
becomes about the designers, and it's not about the films.
And I understand why Cam would say, you know what,
we need you to tone this down.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah, but if they didn't have the red carpet with
those designers and and and actors out there, posy, I
wouldn't give a shit about the can Yeah, but we're
red carpet bloggers, I mean now, But my point is,
I'll read the list of movies one and that's the
end of it. And I think that they they let
these people know about the new rules at the last minute.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
That's also a problem, which is shitty. Is shitty? Oh yeah,
it's halle Berry's Lakwan Smith dress. That shit.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
If they let them know at the last minute, and
if you want to, you know, apply some rules whatever
make I mean, I don't know, get get those actors
to wear some thing that they can remove, you know,
to make it easier when they get into the theater.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Like can you could just say don't wear elaborate shit
like that? Like I mean, that's The easiest thing to
say is I just don't think there's anything wrong with
instituting a dress code at a formal event. It is
a formal event. I'm fine with it. I I I
understand the reservations about it being a little sexist, and
I agree with you on that. But like I said,
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like what they're they're calling out specific things. They're not saying,
you know, they're not saying all women need to wear
high heels, which would be problematic and they did sort
of walk away from that several years back, but saying
that you need to not wear something that obstructs the
view of other.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
I don't think that's a terrible thing, all right, but
a nudity thing, but a nippo doesn't obstruct anything.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
I agree with you on that. I agree with you
on that. However, I also think that, I mean, we've
been documenting this for years, the whole thing, the whole
sheer dress thing, has gotten a little out of hand.
I mean, one of the things we said about the
Lakwan Smith dress that she was wearing, I think that
was what we said about Halle's dress, was that, you know,
Bob Mackie basically invented the share dress, the modern Share
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dress as we know it. He invented it for Share
and he was a master at that. But the thing is,
all those dresses that he made for Share, you didn't
actually see her bolva, you know what I mean. It
was all illusion, and these dresses are now removing the illusion,
so you're just seeing the body underneath it. I am
not scandalized by these bodies at all, I know, but
I do think it's I'm fine with them, but I
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do think it's perfectly fine for an event like the
can Film Festival to put the kaibosh on it. I
think it was honestly, I think it was halle Berry's
dress and they needed to put this out because they
couldn't just go straight to halle Berry and say you
can't dress that way, so they made it a festival
wide light. I swear to god it's halle Berry's v man.
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That thing is powered kind of all over the place.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
And and and and again about the women, because I
I sort of understand that you don't want something too
big because you're going to get into the movie theater
and blah blah blah. But a nipple is sheer now
has nothing to.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Do agree, I agree. It has nothing to do about
propriety and conservativism bushit for a country like France, it is.
I'm yeah, I agree, I mean seriously, but I don't
think they're out of line. They're allowed to do this,
as far they're allowed to do anything. We'll see. I
don't know. I I'm not angry about it. I understand
(49:34):
why you would be. But I am coming from a
place where I think some of these dresses, and I
don't mean the sheer ones, I don't give a shit, right,
I do think Hallie's was a little bit of lunch,
and I do think, I do think that this was
not about nipples. It was about that. Well, it was
about Okay, the rubicon has been crossed and we need
to yeah, well we need to let down.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
I think these are two different issues. I think you
can wear sheer and show a nipple, show whatever and
still be gorgeous and elegant.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
And I agree, oh it can be very vulgar. It depends.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
It depends on the dress, depends on the gown, the garment.
So establishing that you can't show no nippo at all,
it's stupid.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
And I mean women are showing I mean Julia Garner
showed up and heard you could see both nips in
that dresh wish.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
I wish men were a sheer Panton showed their underwear.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
I'd love that. No, I think that would be tacky
as well. I don't need to see your boys clopping
around on the red carpet. I would love that. Come on, anyway,
I believe that's it. I want to hear what all
of y'all think about this, especially the red carpet thing.
I have a feeling I'm going to be the right.
I think the kittens are going to take eyesight on this.
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But we'll say, we'll say lay in. Come to our
site and weigh in on this week's podcast on everything
we've talked about, hacks and the red carpet. Beyonce, Harry Oh,
I'm sure people will, oh yeah, I need to say
better hearty thoughts. So once again, thank you for listening.
We'll be back next week with whatever crosses our eyes
across our death on the Until then, take care of yourselves,
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love you mean it. Bye bye
We're Tom Loreno and this is the Pop Style Opinion Fest.
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talk to you guys a little bit. And as I said,
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we discussed with you guys and things like that.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah. Yeah, I remember people, so many people that I
have met along the way who told me little stories
or told me stuff about themselves, and I remember all
of you now. When we on both of our book tours,
the second one was truncated because of COVID, but on
both of our book tours. You know, if you've ever
been to a book signing, a lot of times they
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will hand out post it notes to people and ask
them to fill them out with their name so that
you know, the author doesn't have to ask them how
to spell it. So people would come up and drop
off these these post it notes, and I never wanted
to throw them out, so I kept them all. I
still have them. I have a drawer full of about
I don't know three or four hun post books with
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your autographs on them, which is adorable.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
It is.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
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(04:13):
so we have much to discuss. We have some celebrity gossip,
we have some TV stuff, and we have some red
carpet stuff. So this is a full pop style opinion.
All right, what are we going to do first? I'll
start with Harry. We have a bunch of like sort
of celebrity tiktoki type things to talk about. And I
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had been wanting to mention Prince Harry because you know,
people seem to like when we weigh in on the Royals,
especially Harry and Meghan. And when I say like, also
hate because I know every time we weigh in on them,
there's another thread on redded about what terrible assholes we are.
So Harry recently lost one of his cases against getting
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security protect and for his family while they're in the
in the UK. He lost that case and then he
gave an interview to the BBC, and I mean, this
is what puzzles me about him. I can't wrap my
head around are you dumb? Are you naive? Or are
you just manipulating everyone? He gave an interview to the
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BBC and basically said, you know, my father isn't speaking
to me, and I'm just on the doors open and
I'm waiting for my family to reconcile. Blah blah blah
blah blah. And my take on this is has always
been Look, when Harry and Meghan broke off from the
family and came to America, I thought it was a
(05:44):
good idea for the tell of them. I still think
it was a good idea because they were drowning in
that situation. But I was shocked at the things that
they said about the family once they left, because everything
I know about that family, having written about them and
read about them for decades, is that they don't respond
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well to that sort of thing at all at all.
I mean, they didn't respond well when Diana did it,
Like I don't know what. Well, at the time, I
was like, I don't know what they're thinking. There is
never going to be a reconciliation because they're telling all
this stuff. They're you know about William hitting him and
(06:28):
you know, about what a bitch Camilla is and everything
like that. And I was like that what I guess,
all right, I guess they're blowing it up. That's the point.
They're just blowing it all up behind them. But then
he kept talking about reconciliation and about wanting to reach
out and start a conversation, and I'm like, what the hell,
what are you talking about like that? How do you
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not know the history of your own family? Guy?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Right? I think that's when the naive part comes in,
you know, and I think he's very naive, I think,
because well, I don't know. I mean, when you look
at these people, these people don't have a lot of
experience in life.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
They don't they don't, they really don't. They don't. They
don't go out and interest to see candid video of
any of them, like having a kid. They don't even know.
They don't know how to have a conversation, they don't
know what to do. They are the dullest people you
will ever ever meet, because these people.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Get out of the box and put back in the box.
I mean they don't they don't interact with people. They
don't have a normal life. They don't have a normal family.
And he should know that better that he doesn't have
a normal family. These people don't have feelings in general
like most people do.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
You're not going to start a conversation with King Chock.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
So this whole idea that you know you want to be.
You don't want to do what what the royal family
does anymore. You want to move to another country, but
at the same time you want to be just like
anything never happened. I mean, that's not that type of family.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
No, it is not that type of air or not.
That is not the family you were born into.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
It right and and and to a certain extent, you
and your wife. They want certain rights even though they
want to don't want to work for them anymore. It's like, Okay,
I quit my job, but I want my company to
still pay my insurance.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I don't begrudge him getting security. I don't begrudge that
you have enough money to have your own security. My
understanding is that it is much more expensive in the
UK or whatever. You have to kind of security. Have
you seen unlimited money, Lorenzo. They have their house goes
fifteen million dollars last time I checked. That is that
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is a mid range mansion. That's not some I could
be wrong on this, but they don't live as extravagantly
as you might think. They have money, but they don't
have They're not billionaires. You know, Well, you should have
thought about it when you gave up everything. I mean, yes,
and no, I don't. I don't begrudge him for giving
that up. I don't. I think it's sometimes weird when
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people get hoppy about that. I'm like, what the fuck
do you care?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Me?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Like, what do you care about? He's not doing royal
stuff anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
But here's what I think happened. He gave up everything
because they had these granny oath plans that they were
going to do it all, and you know, and I'm
quite sure that he thought he was going to make
a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
And then go back and and then go back or whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, and then that didn't happen because they are terrible
at whatever they do, and uh, you know, they keep
pissing everybody off. You know, don't do things that they're
supposed to be Still.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Heay, but I still I'm sorry, but I think she's
blameless and in all of this, No, I disagree.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I do.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I think she married into a fucked up family. That's
not her fault.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Anyway, So let's fok on. He then, so, he thought
he was going to be making all this money. Uh,
he thought that he'd be gonna he was gonna be covered,
you know, but the money didn't come. They're not making
that much money to cover for all these you know,
stuff that they have to cover financially. So so now
he's like, oh, no, no, no, well you know what,
(09:49):
I still want that over there? You can't have that.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Well, I don't think I honestly don't think it has
to do with money. I think he always thought that
he would reconcile with them. I think he thought that
he was gonna go out world and speak his truth
and that it was going to somehow lead to some
sort of reconciliation and better understanding and blah blah blah
blah blah. But like I said, that's not your family.
(10:12):
I don't know how you said. This is what I
want to float because either he is incredibly stupid about
his own family, or he's saying these things to manipulate.
I mean he's just being manipulative. Boohoo, who my daddy
is dying and he won't see me, right, I mean,
you're going to the press and saying that that's manipulative.
(10:33):
He listened. I'm not defending Charles. I think it sucks
you're dying. You screwed that kid up pretty bad with
the way you acted during his child mother screw him up.
I agree, So you owe him even that has fucked
up as he is, as much as he might have
hurt your family, you're the one that created this fucked
up dynamic in the family. And you know, I do
(10:54):
think he's an asshole. You have grandchildren, You have grandchildren
that you're simply not seeing. But you're supposed to be
the you know, the spiritual moral leader of a country.
It's pretty fucked up. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I think the main issue here is that you decided
that you were not going to be part of the
royal family institution anymore, but but you're still halfway there.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I mean, that doesn't work. That doesn't work. He thought
he was going to do some sort of half and
half thing.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, which they were never going to allow that, yeah, never,
absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
So he's very naive about that, and now he realized that,
you know, the smart thing for them to have done, right,
because I do think it, excuse me, getting out of
royal life was imperative. It was killing Megan and he
was always unhappy. So I think they were right to
get out of royal life. But they really should have
cut the ties completely. No titles. Don't insist on prince
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and princess for your children. I think it's weird that
their children are called prince and princess. They're Americans.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Well again, they one half and half. And the thing
is that you can't I mean, you should know you're
part of it. You should know that this family specifically
will put everything above family, like, yeah, there's their duty
that's first, and there's way down on the list.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Exactly they they Yeah, if not, he knows this, I'm
sorry Harry doesn't know this. He's I really think he's
just throwing bombs at this point. I don't I'm not
sure to what extent he thinks this is going to
benefit him. But I can't believe he's so naive as
to think going to the BBC is going to force
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his father to reconcile with Like, I don't see it happening.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
What he doesn't understand is that he thinks that giving
by giving these interviews, that they're gonna poke something or somebody.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
It's forcing their hand.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
But it's quite the opposite. It's causing the opposite. They're
hating him even more. Yeah, because then they think he's
irresponsible for saying the things he's saying, you know what I.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Mean in the public, I mean, yeah, Uh. This is
something that comes up a lot of times in our
coverage of Harry and Meghan because they of course they
have a lot of American fans, right, and those American
fans do not seem to understand half the time that
Harry Meghan are extremely unpopular in Great Britain, extremely unpopular.
He has ruined his brand. So I still don't understand
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why he does these things, Like you're going to the
BBC and Bill Hooing, are you do you think the
public's gonna take your side at this point? Do you
think the public is going to take your side regardless
of whether they should. They're clearly not going to, and
your your ability to manage the press is frankly as
terrible as your mother's.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
They're there, they really don't know how to hand to
pr Now there's a whole thing now with the Beckham uh,
you know, the whole drum of the beck.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
And and then that's kind of shitty. It's a shitty thing.
It's a horrible thing. Okay, let's explain. They invited Brooklyn
Beckham and his wife I can't remember her name to
a dinner party at the Monacito mansion, and David and
Victoria that his parents are good friends with William. Yeah,
(14:06):
so it feels oh, and apparently like Brooklyn is not
getting along with his parents. Oh no, sort of.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
The kids are fighting because because of the wives and girlfriends.
So it's a very long story. In fact, they didn't
even go to uh Davy Beckham's birthday party. Yes, so
they're they're like crush. There's a whole drama going on there.
And then of course Megan and.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Harry decided to support you insert themselves in it. And
that's the kind of bullet where it's like you're just
being assholes at this point.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
So I'm reading all this stuff about how Megan and
Harry are supporting the beck in this right now.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Blah blah blah. Why why why are you getting a
loser in an asshole? I mean, why do you even
want to be affiliated with them?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
No, that's just that's the thing about them that they
don't They never seem to understand that their pr is
always wrong.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, it always makes them look bad. I mean, like
I said, they have an American fan base, Lorenzo, like,
there is a certain level of popularity there that that
that works for them. And I guess there's this. I
guess that's their brand now. Their brand now is going
to be fucking with the Royal family, you know, just
a little sticking, little knives in any chance they can
get and Netflix deals or whatever. I know, I really
(15:18):
wish them well. When they first left, I think they
she was treated terribly by the press in that country
and probably by that family. I wish them went first.
But no, I don't know. I don't care anymore. Everything
has been a mismanagement from the jump. I have no
problem with her TV show or her Raspberry Jam or
any of that shit. I really don't. And when they're
(15:39):
doing Invictus stuff, they're fine. But this like inviting the
Beckhams to a what, that's nonsense. All right, let's move
on from that that. Oh well, this is a segue,
although it's not a very good one. They Megan and
Harry were at Beyonce's concert. Yes, there was all over
the social Media's fine, that's fine too. Harry wore a
(16:02):
cowboy hat, which I'm pretty sure was a dream of
his his whole life. And that's our segue to yes,
beyond something about it, beyond it. Beyonce is out touring,
and you know, and this massive thing as usual because
now we do mega productions, and so it's a stadium tour.
It's a stadium too, as usual.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
And so she started in La and it went well
the first night and then it just fell apart, the
whole thing, and TikTok had a few of the I
mean TikTok wouldn't stop talking about it because you get
the images. What happened was they had so many technical
issues and with whatever was going on in stage. I
don't know if you guys know, but she has like
a robot arms coming out and kind of like embracing her,
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and then they do all kinds of stuff and nothing worked.
The second day, everything just went like crazy and at
some point she she's on stage and they forgot to
mark where she's suppose to stand so that the arms
can come. And she was like, you could see on
her face, like, oh my god, this army is gonna
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hit me and by me. So she's like very afraid
that the army's gonna come and hit her. In fact,
the arm comes, you know, in front of her and
back and behind her, and she steps back because one
of the arms almost hit her. Everything is going on
the stairs. There's one song she sings and she goes
down the stairs and the stairs are not coming at
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the right time, so she's.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Waiting for the stairs. And then another one was the.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Robot army is supposed to pour her a whiskey in
the glass that she has on the table, and the
arm missed the glass and pours all over the table
and she's looking at it, you know, laughing. My point,
and you know, everyone felt very bad for her, and
I feel bad for her. But my point is like
I think things are getting out of control, like how
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big they are, how many.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
These unmanageable shows.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
It's just it gets to a point that you relying
so much on all these things going on on stage,
that if they don't work, then you screwed.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Not only that, but these elaborate shows are partially what
drives up tickets, you know, ticket prices, so you know,
these concerts are getting bigger and bigger and more and
more expensive, and you know there's diminishing returns. I think
we're going to see the death of the stadium tour
over the next couple of years. I don't want to
sound old here because I understand oh too late for that.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Well, anyway, my point is that I don't expect you
if you have a massive stadium with you know, millions
of people watching you, you can't just be alone on
stage that little dot they're singing.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You want, you know, entertainment, You want people to look
at things. But it's getting out of control. Like I
don't understand why you have to have fifty people dancing
with you at some point, and then you.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Know, well you have to because people are so far
away that they can't sing anything, so that you have
to put on this enormous space in order to have
anything for them to look at. Otherwise, why I paid it?
You know, it's just a machine that eats itself. And
you know, like last year, Jal thought she could do this,
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She thought she could mount a stadium tour, and it
was humiliating for her. She had to cancel it. And
I don't think Beyonce is at that level. I don't
think beyond that Beyonce, i'd likely ever be at that level. Never.
But it's it's not great. I mean, her last few
stadium tours were like cultural events, and now this one.
Everyone's making fun of it on TikTok. I'm sure she's
making plenty of money and she's doing fine, but this
(19:35):
is what I mean about diminishing returns. You can't keep
doing it right.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I feel bad because I understand how controlling she's got.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I'm sure she's fine.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Because I'm sure they're they're they're hating that. That's all
people were talking about. Many articles were reading reading about that,
like all the stuff not working on stage, as opposed
to be talking about the actual show.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Right. So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I just think I feel like things got out of here.
They're just big and I would never attend one of those.
I'm sorry, no, but you.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Don't want to sound old.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
No, all right, we're gonna take no, no, no, let
me finish here. Even when I was young, a very
young queer boy, I never liked shows like those. Yeah,
big shows. No, never attended a big cons.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It's just not me. I don't know, I don't like them.
All Right, we're going to take a short break and
then we're going to come back and talk a little
bit about Taylor Swift and a little bit about Hacks
and a little bit about the can Red carpet. We'll
be right back. We are back. We're going to do
one final bit of celebrity gossip before we jump into Hacks,
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which we have neglected for several weeks now, justin Baldoni's
ongoing lawsuit against or string of lawsuits. But Blake Lively
is suing him, he's counter sewing her, and it's ugly,
and we've stayed out of it because it's so ugly.
And I really hate watching this unfold because well we've
(21:03):
said this before. Like Blake Lively, she's got a reputation,
she's there's a certain level, there's a certain portion of
the public who finds her really annoying. And I tend
to be one of those people. I think she the
way she conducts herself in public can be kind of annoying.
I think. However, let me just say right, I want
to just that is what's being weaponized right now by
(21:25):
Justin Baldoni's team. It is literally exactly the same thing
Johnny Depp did to Amber Heard. Amberhard was also someone
who was perceived as kind of an annoying person in public,
and that was weaponized to use against her, and that's
and her career was destroyed because of it. And I
know that's a very simplified version. And if you're a
Johnny Depp fan, guess what, I really don't want to
hear your version. So what's going on right now with
(21:49):
Blake Livey it's largely the same thing where he is
using his he's using the law and lawyers to go
after her anyway he can. And one of the things
he's done is that he went after Blake Lively. I
mean he went after Taylor Taylor Swift, who is famously
one of her Blake Lively's closest friends.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
They're not anymore. They unfollow everybody.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
So I think that may be because of legal stuff.
I think no, I that's the thing. Uh, All these
all this like information gets passed around on places like
TikTok and turned into something that it probably isn't like Okay,
Taylor swept unfollowed Blake Lively. I don't necessarily think that's
because they're on the outs. I think that's because they're lawyer. Right.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Well, let's talk about information in fact that are coming
out now, not just on TikTok, thank you very much,
but also on Good Morning America own TikTok. I know,
but my point is that I listen to other two stuff.
You know, there are other places that I go to.
Good Morning American was talking about. The new piece of
information now is that uh uh, Baldoni's attorney, you know,
(22:58):
are saying that they got some information that apparently Blake
Lively would threaten Taylor Swift, asking her to write a
letter supporting her, and if she didn't do it, she
would release a ton of text messages or whatever that
she had for like for the last ten years, something
(23:18):
like that. That's what his team is claiming. Uh, that's
what happened. They got a phone call saying that blah
blah blah. So now there's been a they she they're
threatened Taylor Swift to come out with that information, you know,
and Blake Live and all that stuff, and Teylo Swift
has been saying all this all along, she's been saying,
leave me out of this. If you need any information,
(23:41):
go talk to Taylor, Go talk to Blake Lively team,
leave me out of this. And you know, Blake, Taylor
Swift has enough money and power that she can be
out of it if she want. But if they've been
to her, then it's a different story. That's the piece
of information that is out there. But then her team
it's no Blake live is that's saying that that that
(24:03):
never happened, that that's not true.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
And then you know, Ty, this is my point. Now
we're talking about this thing that we have no idea
whether it's true, and it makes Blake Lively look really
really bad, right, and there's no information, but the public
is going to be bat this around and paint a
picture of Blake Lively as this manipulative bitch, a mean girl.
(24:25):
And maybe she is. I'm not here to defend her,
but I think it's very very obvious what Baldoni's team
is doing. And I think that alone, the fact that
you are trying to separate her from her allies to
peel them, that is what abusers do to their victims.
Right is to peel off allies and to make sure
that that that you have no you know, support from
(24:47):
from the people who normally support you. It's dark stuff.
And I think when we get into like ooh, they
unfollowed each other and ooh, Blake Lively is a mean girl,
I think we are doing exactly what Justin beldo is
lawyer want us to do. So that's my take off.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I do believe that Blake Lively expected Tillo Swift to
support her. Maybe I don't know her, but there's no
way Taylor Swift was going to do any of that.
I mean, she's very private. She's not gonna get involved
in somebody else this problem. But she might get subpoena
and have to have to, you know, appear in court.
(25:22):
And and that's the huge that it's.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Going to happen. I know. He just to get that
story out there. He gets subpoena and she goes in
and then she starts testifying. Then she can deny everything,
you know, and then it flows up in Baldoni's face.
This way, he gets a story out there that makes
them look bad, makes them look manipulative, makes them look
like bitches. This is exactly what Johnny Depp's team did.
(25:48):
It's what Jonathan Major has tried to do to the
girl that he beat up. It's it's yeah. This is
the common tactic now is that when male abusers get
sued by their female victims, they counter so and they
try and ruin their reputation. And unfortunately, we live in
a time where the public is quite happy to let
them do that, especially if it's some woman who the
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public has decided they don't like. And I don't like
Blake Lively either, but she doesn't deserve this. All right,
anything else? Do we have any other celebrity gossip?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
No?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
That's it. So now we can move on to Hacks, Yes,
which I love. Okay, so there's like four episodes. Yeah,
we're way behind, and actually I hadn't seen them until
the last night. I sat and binged four episodes to
get caught up, and uh, you know, four episodes is
about two hours, and I think I mildly chuckled once
(26:42):
in that two hours. The show is flopping as far
as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Here's another flaw that I see now is that the
need to bring those actors back, like her daughter all
these people. Yeah, you know, Eva's mother. So they're coming
out with these stories that make no sense so that
they can have these actors back and just yeah, some
of the stories don't make it anything.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Well. I mean like, there was a whole episode on
a christening and I was like, Okay, it's a christening
of a character who was not a main character. I
barely even be called a supporting character. It's their baby.
I get it. I get the connection with Deborah, but
it was this whole church episode and I was like
about religion, and I guess that's what they said. Yeah, right,
I have no problem with themed episodes, and we don't
(27:29):
need to advance the plot or whatever in every episode.
But I just I was like, what are we doing here?
What is this like? Oh, Deborah hates the pope, that's
the whole episode. You bring up a point about bringing
in these people. One thing I noticed watching these four
episodes in a row is how isolated Deborah and Ava are.
(27:51):
In the earlier seasons of the show, they were surrounded
constantly by a cast of character. She had a whole
staff at her mansion and she had, you know, the
casine boss that she was sort of having an affair
with and you know, the Blackjack dealer and all there
were all these people around them, right, and all those
people are mostly gone now we only see her housekeeper
(28:11):
every once in a while. Marcus made one appearance this
this season and he was gone. Yeah, she has that
bitchy assistant again. He's he gets one or two lines
per episode and then he's gone, and it's just the
two of them, and I listen, they have great chemistry.
I love watching the two of them together. And there
are still moments that scene after after Debora went in
(28:37):
the ocean because she thought Ava was killed, where they
just sat there, you.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Go, That's when it worked. But it's about their talent,
the two of them. Yeah, when they start to creating
these stories about I mean, god, I still hate and
I'm fast forwarding you now Jimmy and Kayla.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
My god, I can't take those two. I don't hate
they're herd. The way I get you, I find them
really pointless. I here's what I okay. So in previous episodes,
there was a cast of characters that were around Ava
and and Deborah. They were all largely in the same
spaces and they were interacting together. But like Jimmy and Caleb.
(29:14):
They just are like a separate TV show. They almost
never have scenes with Ava and Deborah, and they're doing
all of their storylines are stuff that is happening separate
from and it's horrible. It's not interesting. It's got a
dog thing. Come on. Yeah, that whole dog thing was weird.
Also the thing with the Coyoto coyotes eating Debra's dog,
(29:36):
Oh Jesus, I did not need that. Well, the dog
was fine, it didn't get killed. But I was like
when they show, I was like, why are we doing this?
We are going through the house calling the dog's name,
and I'm like, no, that's not what this show is.
I know that is not what this show is. I
think it's a classic example of you know how in
(29:56):
TV shows when you have sexual tension between two ca characters,
will they or won't they? And it always ruins the
show when they get together. This is like that will
they or won't they? Ever get a nighttime talk show?
Well you gave them the night time talk show, and
now there's you don't seem to have a story. It
looks like the.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Night show, it's the talk show is going to go
on for at least until the end of the season.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I have no idea. So they were number one in
the rating.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Right because we know because we previously we talk about like, oh,
we don't think this is going to work, and move
it would, but I don't know, and now I don't know.
It might take a little longer than we expect it.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
And you know, I'm not wishing you know that it failed,
but I do think I've said this before. One of
the failings of the of Hacks is that while the
two actresses in the in the lead roles are very,
very funny, in those roles when the script calls for
them to be funny, basically, when Debra's doing stand up,
(30:59):
it's not fun The jokes are rarely ever all that funny.
And that was always a failure of the show because
you keep telling us that she's this great comic and
she's doing amazing work and it's getting all this press.
But I never lived at any of her jokes because
they were always like hacky old lady jokes, you know,
about whatever kind of stuff that Joan Rivers was doing
(31:21):
late in her career when she wasn't really all that
funny anymore. So then they get this TV show, and
so much is spent on how they're going to develop
this show and what they're going to do that's going
to be different, And every time they show a clip
of that show, I'm like, that is not a talk
show I would watch. That is the lamest looking talk show,
just lame. Is that deliberate? I think it is.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I think they're they're they're making a comment here on
how silly those talk shows are.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
We're talking about how talk shows are dying, and they are.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I think I think it is. It's sort of like
they're you know, they're they're making fun of it much.
I also hate the way they they showed the team
everyone's so stupid, so nerdy, and I don't know that's
the thing.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
They have to do this sort of they have to
introduce tension into a scenario where if you had that
kind of tension in that specific scenario, everyone would get fired.
Like Deborah and Ava are screaming at each other in
front of a studio audience, and I'm like, no, come on, no,
you got to drop this storyline because once you gave
(32:27):
them a TV show, you can't have them screaming in
front of people because they both get fired or it
would be a huge scandal or whatever. It's that kind
of stuff. And yeah, the writings when Ava had her
big meltdown and quit and then Deborah went and they reconciled.
I swear to god, I thought that episode was going
(32:49):
to end with them saying, and let's fire the staff.
We'll do this on our own. Like I thought they
were going to fire that writing staff because they're also disrespectful.
They're also stupid and you never see them right. If
you're telling me that someone's funny, you got they gotta
be funny on camera. If you're telling me that that's
a talented writing step, you got to show me that
they're talented, because they just look like idiots.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
It feels to me that the show wants to make
the point that, you know, these how stupid all these
people are. The HR people are stupid, like the woman completely,
it's just an idiot. The character is idiots. The show
used to be smarter than now. It's all sitcoming, you know,
going in the bathroom and then like they have to wait.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
They would never will HR person would do that. That
is the violation.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
But no, that's so Debora Dava would never be outside,
you know, standing waiting for the for the woman to
finish whatever she was doing.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
No, that whole thing was just like I get it.
It's a joke here, you're making a joke, but it's
not funny and not you anymore. This show and there's
two women. I love these two actresses. I love watching
them together. I don't laugh at all because they keep
making them. All they do is fight, and the fights
get nastier and nastyre their behavior it's getting I don't know,
(34:02):
it's very childish. To me, it is very childish.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I mean, these two women. We should be celebrating these women,
how accomplished they are. But but they act like like
they're little girls.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
I mean when they were screaming in front of the
studio audience, I was completely checked out. I was like,
this is just dumb, right, they wouldn't act this way,
and if they are acting this way, I want them
to fail. I'm actually rooting for the two of them
to fail because they don't deserve the success. I don't
understand not what the show should be.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I do understand why he's making every character stupid, like
the Mada act very stupid. The system on the bus,
that's you on the Bush, What is it? Why is
why body has to be stupid? It over sells all
of that. It was always fine to have quirky, weird
like the Las Vegas Mayor characters. She's still really funny,
(34:50):
that's fine, But I agree why everyone, I mean, we
are at The thing is when Hack started, it was
about a bunch of people who were kind of at
low points in their career, so you could deal with
all of these losers and weirdos. But now we're not,
like Jimmy and Kala should be acting a little bit
more professionally. They shouldn't be hiring weird people like that person.
(35:12):
So it's very hard to buy into any of this.
Another example, they did like a demographic study or they
and they said that women a mother's you know, didn't
like Debor and that would be funny and interesting and
you could build on that, except we were told that
Debora spent decades selling products on HGTV, So right, she
(35:33):
has a built in audience, and it's those women can't
you can't pitch me, that you can't sell me. That
suddenly those women don't want or if you're going to
sell me, that sell me. As her fan base all
turned on her or something like that, but you're not
doing well with women. She was on HGTV for like
ten years. How could that be possible? I want more
of like Julia Nicholson playing the dance Mom that she's
(35:56):
a funny character, and Larriet.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
She's a really good parody of those TikTok personalities. But
then know when she rented the place and I don't
know when she was partying and everything, I didn't find
any of them. I was like, all right, I guess, so.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Again they're making the point. That's that's I've mentioned this before.
Shows like this and like the Studio, and it shows
they they're most of the jokes are like inside jokes.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Are you know? It's about a Hollywood that doesn't exist
that they wish to existed.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
It's about a Hollywood that they experienced or they wish existed.
And most of the people watching the show, they have
no idea. So I get the whole thing with the
Dance Mom that that's what happened with this TikTok people.
They get a lot of money and they buy big
houses that they lose everything or something happens. They're not
the real person, Like she's not a dance mom, right,
stuff like that. I get all the joke, but that's
(36:50):
not for everybody and it and sometimes it doesn't go
well with the rest of the show.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, I really feel bad because I love this show
and I really love those two actresses, but it's I
just think it's flopping. I think I don't know what
they thought was going to happen once they gave the
characters what they wanted, but they should have had a
better game plan making them fight for like eight episodes
(37:16):
like nasty nasty fights. Why did you think the audience
wanted to watch that?
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I remember watching season one and loving the show, loving
the show so much, and thinking there's not enough here
for four.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Seasons, five seasons. Yeah no, the reason, Yeah no, I
don't know. Let's take another break and we'll come back
and we'll talk about the red carpet. It can all right, Yep,
we're back, and for once, we actually have some red
carpet stuff to talk about. When we conceived this podcast
ten years ago, I mean that was the name of it,
(37:49):
pop Style Opinion Fest, and I thought we would be
doing more style stuff, but it's largely been pop culture stuff.
It's a little difficult to talk about fashion if you
have no visual aids. Right way. So the Can Film
Festival is underway and there was a kerfuffle earlier. Just
before the festival got underway, the committee in charge released
(38:12):
a statement that there would be a dress code this year,
instituted on the red carport. And you know, unlike say
the Oscars or the Megala, the Can Film Festival security
is aggressive and they have kicked people off like famous people.
They have made things difficult. You know, there were scandals
in past years about how aggressive their security can be.
(38:34):
So when they just want to say when they instituted
dress code, like people need to take it seriously because
there will be an embarrassing moment where someone gets turned
away for violating that dress code. Let me just say
I don't have the press release in front of me.
But the essentially the dress code is asking people asking women,
because of course they're not instituting anything on men. Famously,
(38:57):
the Can Film Festival wants turned away female stores for
not wearing high heels on the red carpet and it
turned into a major, major problem. It's always been weirdly
conservative in how it feels people should act. But the
strange thing is the can Film Festival is famous for
being this free for all. There's porn stars and models walking,
(39:19):
you know, the quasette. It's everybody comes there to get
their picture taken. And it's always been known as a
slightly tacky event, and I guess they're bristling under that,
under decades of that reputation, and now they're trying to
make it seem more whatever. So they don't want women
wearing elaborate space taking gowns. They don't want enormous trains
(39:41):
and enormous things that are going to block the view
if they're sitting in the theater. They also are instituting
address code about revealing clothing. They don't want, you know,
women showing nipple or anything like that. Now we're not
in the same page on this. I don't think there's
(40:02):
anything wrong with it a dress code instituted on a
red carpet. I do think, yes, we should point out
that these things are always, uh, you know, directed at
women and not at men. However, men do not typically
show up on red carpets in outfits that obscure the
view or that make it difficult for other people to
(40:22):
walk around them, and men do not wear generally do
not wear terribly revealing outfits on the red carpet. So yes,
we can point out that these things tend to be
corrected at women, but you know, men, all they need
to do is show up in a tuxedo and they're
fine dress shoes and a tuxedo in their find. The
(40:43):
reason I think I'm not entirely opposed to this dress
code is because I do think some of this stuff
has gotten a little out of hand in the last
several years. I don't care about nip on the Red carpet,
I really don't. There have been some very beautiful dresses
that were not lined in the bust, and I was
(41:03):
not scandalized by them. But I gotta say halle Berry
at the Mecala was like a moment for me where
I was like, Okay, that's just too much. That's just
too much. And you said before we flipped on the mic.
If you don't remember, it's on our site, halle Berry
wore a Lakwan Smith gown that wasn't lined, and you know,
(41:24):
you can basically see her vulva in it. If she
moved a certain way, you could see it. And that's
just too much. As far as I'm saying that's just
too much, and you can call me a pristy gay
man or whatever. But if some guy's balls or Dick's
what was hanging out of his outfit, I would say
the same thing. We used to yell it John Ham
for not wearing underwear on the red carpet. So I
feel like we're being even minded about this anyway. I
(41:47):
also think the elaborate nature of some dresses. It's fine
for things like the Metcala, and maybe even for awards
ceremonies like the Oscars, but at an actual film festival,
when the point is you're supposed to be watching movies,
showing up in these outfits that are so elaborate that
no one can see around you and no one can
walk around you on the red carpet, some of these
(42:08):
outputs do approach obnoxiousness. There's trains, and then there's like
something the size of a conference table behind you that
no one you know, that requires like five attendant. You're
not royalty, you're just a movie stories and that sort
of stuff has gotten out of hand over the last
several years. So I am not entirely opposed to a
(42:29):
film festival saying we need you to tone this stuff down.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
You go.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Well, I feel that.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Again it's going with the times, you know, being very
conservative in general. I think Europe is very very conservative
right now in general, and I think it's been like
this lately, and I think that's a reflection of that.
I mean, of all places, France, I mean, come on,
you know where fashion it's all about France. I have
(42:57):
a major problem with that because, first of all, you
can say dress formally, you know, and uh, but I
feel like the the new rules only applied to women
because in general.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
And I agree that that's problematic.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yes, it's problematic because we had the heels the shoes first.
That again women, and they claim that, you know, you
have to dress a certain way. But you know, men
are supposed to wear a tuxedo number one, and a
lot of men don't wear a tuxedo, and they get
away with them. They mostly wear to now some of
them don't and they get away with it. I mean
Tom Cruise, we.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Just had him right, yeah, no, no, he was in
a tux Yeah he was. My point is that they
let men wear whatever they want.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Uh. And of course men are just gonna wear basic shit. Uh.
Women get to wear more interesting stuff. I And as
you said, Ken is all about the I don't know,
the spectacle, the spectr of the obnoxious, you know, presence
of all kinds of things. As you said, there are
we don't get to see them. But there are a
(43:58):
ton of you know, B list actors and movies that nevertheless,
and gencorn stars.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
They horn stars going official, but they are there. They
all converge on CAN.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Right, and so they do have all these people walking around,
you know, dress however they want. I think women should
wear whatever the fuck they want to wear number one. Uh,
if they want to wear it, If they want to
expose a nipple, that's fine, if whatever they want to do.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Uh, I know, I disagree.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Can is not like the met Gala or the Oscars
or anything where you actually get to see these people
inside the theater. Ken is all about the outside, those stairs, right.
So if you don't let these people wear whatever they want,
then you don't have any coverage. People are not gonna
cover CAN. If it's not about the the the the
outside people photographed.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
To disagree with that people were covering, CAN just find
before women started, you know, removing their bras or or
the outfits got elaborate I don't believe that's true, and
this does get to I think part of the reason
why they are instituting this dress code is because it's
not about fashion and it's not about films. It's about
(45:11):
going viral. So these outfits get more and more outrageous,
more and more elaborate, they get further and further away
from what I would consider chic because they're just parade floats.
You mentioned. Halle Berry mentioned she's a committee member, a
jury member, and I honestly feel like, yes, I do
think her Mechala dress might have scared them a little
(45:33):
and that's why they She said she had a scramble
to get rid of some dresses and make some substitutions,
and she mentioned that one of the dresses that she
was going to wear was Aguara Gupta dress, which we
have featured him on our site plenty of times. He
is an Indian designer that does these enormous sculptural old
gowns with huge pieces off the back or off the
top that are Again I'm not saying he's not valid designer,
(46:01):
but a lot of his stuff skews towards the TACKI
and skews towards spectacle. It's less about fashion and more
about wearing this outrageous costume and getting as much coverags
as you can. It becomes about the stars, and it
becomes about the designers, and it's not about the films.
And I understand why Cam would say, you know what,
we need you to tone this down.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah, but if they didn't have the red carpet with
those designers and and and actors out there, posy, I
wouldn't give a shit about the can Yeah, but we're
red carpet bloggers, I mean now, But my point is,
I'll read the list of movies one and that's the
end of it. And I think that they they let
these people know about the new rules at the last minute.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
That's also a problem, which is shitty. Is shitty? Oh yeah,
it's halle Berry's Lakwan Smith dress. That shit.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
If they let them know at the last minute, and
if you want to, you know, apply some rules whatever
make I mean, I don't know, get get those actors
to wear some thing that they can remove, you know,
to make it easier when they get into the theater.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Like can you could just say don't wear elaborate shit
like that? Like I mean, that's The easiest thing to
say is I just don't think there's anything wrong with
instituting a dress code at a formal event. It is
a formal event. I'm fine with it. I I I
understand the reservations about it being a little sexist, and
I agree with you on that. But like I said,
(47:27):
like what they're they're calling out specific things. They're not saying,
you know, they're not saying all women need to wear
high heels, which would be problematic and they did sort
of walk away from that several years back, but saying
that you need to not wear something that obstructs the
view of other.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
I don't think that's a terrible thing, all right, but
a nudity thing, but a nippo doesn't obstruct anything.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
I agree with you on that. I agree with you
on that. However, I also think that, I mean, we've
been documenting this for years, the whole thing, the whole
sheer dress thing, has gotten a little out of hand.
I mean, one of the things we said about the
Lakwan Smith dress that she was wearing, I think that
was what we said about Halle's dress, was that, you know,
Bob Mackie basically invented the share dress, the modern Share
(48:12):
dress as we know it. He invented it for Share
and he was a master at that. But the thing is,
all those dresses that he made for Share, you didn't
actually see her bolva, you know what I mean. It
was all illusion, and these dresses are now removing the illusion,
so you're just seeing the body underneath it. I am
not scandalized by these bodies at all, I know, but
I do think it's I'm fine with them, but I
(48:36):
do think it's perfectly fine for an event like the
can Film Festival to put the kaibosh on it. I
think it was honestly, I think it was halle Berry's
dress and they needed to put this out because they
couldn't just go straight to halle Berry and say you
can't dress that way, so they made it a festival
wide light. I swear to god it's halle Berry's v man.
(48:59):
That thing is powered kind of all over the place.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
And and and and again about the women, because I
I sort of understand that you don't want something too
big because you're going to get into the movie theater
and blah blah blah. But a nipple is sheer now
has nothing to.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Do agree, I agree. It has nothing to do about
propriety and conservativism bushit for a country like France, it is.
I'm yeah, I agree, I mean seriously, but I don't
think they're out of line. They're allowed to do this,
as far they're allowed to do anything. We'll see. I
don't know. I I'm not angry about it. I understand
(49:34):
why you would be. But I am coming from a
place where I think some of these dresses, and I
don't mean the sheer ones, I don't give a shit, right,
I do think Hallie's was a little bit of lunch,
and I do think, I do think that this was
not about nipples. It was about that. Well, it was
about Okay, the rubicon has been crossed and we need
to yeah, well we need to let down.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
I think these are two different issues. I think you
can wear sheer and show a nipple, show whatever and
still be gorgeous and elegant.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
And I agree, oh it can be very vulgar. It depends.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
It depends on the dress, depends on the gown, the garment.
So establishing that you can't show no nippo at all,
it's stupid.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
And I mean women are showing I mean Julia Garner
showed up and heard you could see both nips in
that dresh wish.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
I wish men were a sheer Panton showed their underwear.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
I'd love that. No, I think that would be tacky
as well. I don't need to see your boys clopping
around on the red carpet. I would love that. Come on, anyway,
I believe that's it. I want to hear what all
of y'all think about this, especially the red carpet thing.
I have a feeling I'm going to be the right.
I think the kittens are going to take eyesight on this.
(50:47):
But we'll say, we'll say lay in. Come to our
site and weigh in on this week's podcast on everything
we've talked about, hacks and the red carpet. Beyonce, Harry Oh,
I'm sure people will, oh yeah, I need to say
better hearty thoughts. So once again, thank you for listening.
We'll be back next week with whatever crosses our eyes
across our death on the Until then, take care of yourselves,
(51:08):
love you mean it. Bye bye
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