"Hacks," "And Just Like That..." and The Celebrity Stories of the Week

T Lo review the last two episodes of season four of "Hacks," unpack why "And Just Like That..." is so limp, and offer their opinions on the marriages of Emmanuel Macron and Hugh Jackman, and explain why Patti LuPone needs to keep her mouth shut.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:23):
We're Tavel Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion Fest.
Hell look at and welcome back to another edition of
the Pso I am the Tea and you're Telow Tom
Fitzgerald and I'm here with the Low and your te
Lo Lorenzo cousin. I love hus Boom, Hello, how are you,
lovely husband.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I'm wonderful, Dick.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
I love that in On the rare occasions when we
happen to come across a bitter kitten in the wild
who encounter us in the world, they always refer to
you as lovely husband, which is really cute.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
You know, it is cute.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
So it is Friday. The banging next door seems to
have stopped momentarily, which is good for us. And we
are leaving in a few hours to go away for
a destination. Well it's not a destination wedding, but we're
going up to the mountains for our niece's wedding. She's
actually my god god daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
So this is suchay.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Lovely for me. We're very excited to be very excited
about that.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
So we're a huge family. Is always a big celebration.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
We're packing up our little suits and our little shoes,
going off to do our little issue uncle stuff, guncle stuff. Yeah,
that'll be fun. It'll be a nice little change of pace.
We're not doing much traveling this year because we did
so much traveling last year.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
You're all getting married, so that's the period now that
we're at any weddings all the time now.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
And in fact, the only other traveling we have planned
for this year is going to Dallas next month, because
we will be in Dallas on June twenty fifth at
the Oak I can't remember what it's called, but the
the something Bishop's Art Center. I can't remember. Oh my god,
I wasn't planning on doing this. The details are on
our site. It is linked on the it's the first

(01:55):
pay post pinned on the top of our site. But
we are going there for bride. We will be giving
talk on three legendary trans women and drag queens who
went out into the world and changed it and weighs
big and small, and we tend to use that as
a jumping off point to talk about the larger debt

(02:16):
that we owe trans women in the fight for equality
and liberation for queer people.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
So that's June twenty fifth, Wednesday. It's a Wednesday, and
it's at the Bishop Art Theater Center.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
I had it, I knew it. Bishop Arts Theater Center
in oak Cliffe. Yeah, Wednesday, the twenty fifth. And if
you sign up, that's why you should. I'm giving you
all this information because if you sign up early, you
get a free signed copy of our book Legendary Children.
And who doesn't want that? All the kties want that.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
And you get to meet us, see ye meet and
greed as we get to talk to you guys.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yes, it's all very interactive. It's always whenever we do
one of these things, half of it is us giving
a little talk and then the other half is us
answering any questions you want. And you know, every time
we get one of these talks about pride and trends
and and drag, you know, our four Bears, when we
open it up, people will ask questions Project Runway or

(03:09):
Madmen or whatever. And that's fine too.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
That's very true. I mean we always come back talking
about meeting you guys and conversations we had and it's
always fun listen, and we really really appreciate so show up,
come see us.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Anyway, Why don't I turn that over to you. We
have several things to talk about today, we're going to
talk about and just like that the first episode aired,
we're going to talk about the finale of Hacks and
Lorenzo has a ton of TikTok time stuff to get.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
TikTok is exploding.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
It's the first one you're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, let's start with the President President macrom h story.
H The TikTok's talking about a lot of things right now,
and it's not just TikTok, it's also on the internet
in general. The one everyone was talking about. And it
was funny because the thing about these stories is that

(04:06):
it's not so much the stories that I'm fascinated by,
it's the reaction is how people are talking about them.
And you know, that's the part that I find most
interesting about it. So the first one is President Emmanel
MRCAMU went to Hanoi, right and with his wife, Uh,
and they're getting off the plane and of course there

(04:27):
are cameras everywhere. I'm sure you guys heard the story,
and they weren't paying attention. The door opened, the airplane
door opened, and they're they're coming down the stairs and
before they hit the stairs, apparently uh, Brigitte Markhan, his wife,
Uh shove him in the face.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, I think has made it.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
And it's very funny because you can tell that he
was caught by surprise and that he wasn't expecting that,
and that the reaction, of course, is very everyone was
confused for of all, and then why did that happen?
And then apparently, you know, he gave interviews later of course,
because every one, I mean France was talking about it.

(05:10):
Everybody was talking about that they were joking. And I
don't believe him because he he he can tell that
he's he you know, everyone is watching what's going on,
and he he's kind of like uncomfortable about the whole thing.
So I don't think they were joking, because when you joke,
then you keep joking smiling, and that's not the case.
They apparently the they were very tense the entire day

(05:31):
and you can see them coming downstairs. Uh, they're they're
annoyed with something. So and then now they brought in
because that's what they do, and I love it. They
bought a lip reader because of them. Apparently they said
something because they came downstairs and apparently he said something

(05:51):
like can you please do this, can we please do this?
And she goes like no, so so apparently it's very funny.
But at the same time, people were saying, well, if
he had shoved her in the face, you know, then
we'd be talking about president resigning and all that. You know,
but she did it, it's okay, blah blah blah. But

(06:12):
then other people were saying, well, if there's abuse here
and maybe she was reacting to something, you know, we
we're quick to assume he that she's the one.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Well, yeah, assumptions here. I saw the video, and without
minimizing anything, I don't think it's appropriate for spouses to
lay hands on each other right in disagreement. So I'm
not but I do think this does not rise to

(06:41):
the level of abuse, and I think people are so
quick to, you know, jump to that conclusion. And yes,
I understand that if he had done it to her,
we would probably be having a different conversation. And guess what,
that's the world we live in because men are abusers
and they have more path you know, they tend to
have er across the board, more physical power in a relationship,

(07:03):
so we have greater restrictions on how men. Tre I
never bought this this argument. Don't get me wrong, I
feel that, you know, men can be abused physically abused
by women, So don't get me I'm not even suggesting that,
but I I'm not even suggesting otherwise. I mean, but
a typical internet I remember, do you remember the the

(07:25):
dad who was giving He was on a cable news
show and his kid walked into the room behind him
and he should to get out of the way to
try and get him out of camera. And there was
weeks of discourse about whether or not he abused his
children and whether or not he had some sort of
weird colonialist racist but because he had an Asian wife,

(07:48):
and she comes and she came in and she was
just you know, and you know, she's a wife and
a mother trying to deal with a situation. And they
all thought that she was like bowing and scraping to him.
I'm like, no, she was trying to get off. Like
that's the kind of thing where people layer all of
this stuff onto ten seconds of Yeah, if you take
it out of context, maybe there is abuse going on, right,

(08:08):
but maybe they're just a really demonstrative couple. And she
she's like in her seventies, like really how much. What
do we think is happening there? I don't know what
I really I mean in terms of do you really
think she can hurt him? Do you really think she's
physically if you really.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Don't know, what if he shoved her first, you know,
and then she's or.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
She's just a very demonstrative old French woman who got
a little handsy with her husband and shouldn't have. I'm
not excusing it, but I do think people and I
understand like if any world leaders wipe, like if if
Malania did that, of god, oh I yeah, we won't
know that. So, I mean, I understand the fascination. And
the only thing that interests me about this is they

(08:52):
have been in the public eye for so long. I'm
literally I am actually shocked that they would do something
so reckless, Like don't you know by now that you
don't act like that, like if you're debarking, you know,
disembarking on a plane and everything.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
On the other hand, the conversation was also about like, well, there,
they're just a couple like all of us. You know,
they they have the right.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
You don't go and shoving couple your spouse angrily.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
I know, it just it was funny the reaction, and
I was like, I can't wait to see what the
French people are going to say about it. Of course,
they're appalled because they can't stand him, and they think
that she's the one running the country blah blah blah,
because she has too much power over him, blah blah blah.
You know, it explodes into all the sidelines.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
I'm not I don't even really know them, and I
don't care, but you know, I think people jump in
and layer all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
But I just thought it was funny. And the reason
why I'm bringing all these stories today is because it's
usually it's interesting because if you listen to all of them,
it's always people reacting to women reacting. You know, there's
always this.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
I agree thing about although I mean, if he had
done that to her, oh absolutely, internation, absolutely, Oh my god,
he would lose his career would be Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
He'd be resigning by now. Anyway.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Anyway, I think we've exhausted that.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah. So the other story is that finally Hugh Jackman
and Debra Lee furn Its officialized whatever their divorce or whatever,
and she came out with a statement. It is funny
because I posted in the lounge and I remember reading
posting a lounge the her statement, and I thought it
was a little harsh for a statement that was my my,

(10:30):
you know, gut reaction. I was like, oh wow, because
she talks about Betrail and you know, but the language
is a little harsh. My heart and compassion goes out
to everyone who has you know, gone through traumatic journey.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
I mean, he left his older wife for a younger
woman after many, many years of marriage.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
You know, is he with another woman?

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Isn't he with Sutton Foster?

Speaker 2 (10:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
I mean that's what she's referring. Oh you didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
No, I didn't know he had another woman.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
He's been dating Sutton Foster for Oh oh wow, yeah,
I think they just became official. Oh I thought you
knew that. I would have kept you up to date.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
If no, No, I thought anyway. I thought other things
about him. But anyway, Ah, No, he's not gay. Oh
I doubt very well.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
I mean, I can't say we defended it, but I.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Mean, he I don't know what he is.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
He would have no reason to date a woman.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
You know.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
If he's dating something Foster, it's because there's a relationship there,
it's not. I mean, people love people in our gay
people in our generation love to talk about bearding situations,
and I get that they're not completely gone, but they're
not a thing anymore the way they were in our generation.
They're just not I'm not saying Hugh Jackman. If Hugh
Jackman was gay, huh, I don't think he would have

(11:45):
to go to these great lengths to try. And I
mean I could. I can understand why Hugh Jackman would
hide it because he's a leading man and so on
and so forth. But I really don't think we're in
an error where he needs to go to these incredible
machinations where he's in a fake marriage and then he's
in a fake you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
We're just starting the game in the closeted gay man
out there. Who uh, I just don't think he's gay
out Okay, fine, fine, let's just say he's not gay.
But we're talking about closet gay in now. There are
various types. I mean, in Hollywood, let's let's talk about them.
One the ones who don't want to come out because
they're they're afraid of their careers. Careers are going to

(12:21):
be ruined. But I'm sure there's there's a segment there.
There's a part of the community that they're just can't
accept the fact that they're gay, and they they get
into these you know, shame relationships, so whatever, you know,
just because they can't accept that they're gay, right there
they find them. I mean we say that a lot.
I mean, I know, but men who are ashamed of

(12:42):
being gay and then they engage into a straight relationship,
you know, so that I don't know, feel better about
the thing.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
There's any need for someone like Hugh Jackman, who has
done Broadway shows, who has played gay men on stage,
to go to such lengths to cover up his game.
He could simply just not be with someone and have
his relationship private and still probably get away with it.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Right.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
So the idea that he's on some bearding situation, No,
he was married to her for many years, had children
with her, and now he's in a relationship with Sutton Foster.
I just don't think. I just remember the nineties, and
I remember every gay man I knew swore up and
down that Hugh Jackman, Tom Cruise and Wow and George

(13:23):
Clooney were all gay. And I used to have these
arguments back then, I'm like, just because they're Like with Cruise,
I was always like, just because he's weird doesn't mean
he's gay. That is true. And just because they're good
looking or just because and let's face it, all three
of those men, especially in the nineties, you know, twenty
five thirty years ago, we're very very good looking men.
And I'm like, yeah, no one's going around, you know,
talking about how Caratop is secretly gay, which he is.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
So anyway back to them, the break up or the divorce,
and then Hugh Jackman came out with a statement, very
disappointed with her statement, saying that you know they're and
all the friends came to defend him. His best made
came out with his statement. Everyone is defending him, and
apparently they had some sort of unwritten understanding that she

(14:07):
would not trash him to the press. And but you know,
I don't know, I go back and forth. I mean,
if you had a bad relationship and then you know,
why not say you know, yeah, instead of just saying,
you know, we're friends now and you know we would
like to if you could respect our privacy, blah blah blah,
just come out and say, you know, I mean you know,

(14:29):
it sucked, guys, it sucked.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
There's nothing wrong with that. Honestly, I don't think she
called him an asshole or trashed him Ernie, But I mean,
if she feels there was a betrayal there, fine, she
gets to say it.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I know. And then people were saying, well, you should
never say that as a public person, but blah blah blah,
why not. Yeah, I mean if you heard.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
And I don't even understand this conversation because, uh, you know,
like Sophie Turner was trashing Joe Jonas after her marriage
and Angel Angeline and Jolie was saying stuff about Brad Pitt,
like you know, that was an abusive relationship, and she
had a right. But I mean, stars trash our exes
all the time. I don't understand why this. I think
because they were I think people don't want to believe

(15:09):
that their beloved Hugh Jackman might be a shit husband.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
That's what it is. I think they had this so
perfect relationship with the two of them, nothing wrong. We
never heard anything bad about them. I mean, I know,
I mean to the public, that's the view.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
And I'm just gonna be perfectly blunt here. She's something
like fifteen or sixteen years older than him, and I
kind of I mean, I remember seeing them at Fashion
Week together. Oh yeah, I mean, and I remember thinking, well,
he's probably like, I'm sorry to be cynical, but this
is the way it happens. I was like, yeah, by
the time he's like fifty five, he's going to be yeah,
leaving her, because that's just how those I mean, I'm

(15:44):
actually surprised Emmanuel Macron is with his wife. But the
thing is, I think the minute he's out of office,
that marriage is over.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, we'll see they. Yes, you mentioned them. We attended
a Donna Karen show because they're very.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
He made an ass out of himself, he did, he remembered.
He was like, everyone's looking at me like it was
just cels.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Anyway, they sat across us, and she was very sweet.
I remember her smiling and saying hi to me, blah
blah blah. She was sweet. Yeah. I thought she was hurt.
And then she went to the afterpart. Remember he didn't.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah, I vaguely remember. All I remember is he was
one of those stars who you know, they come in late,
and of course he's fucking Hugh Jackman. He's like six'
four or. Whatever he's very, big so everyone's looking at.
Him AND i will say, THIS i kind of missed
this about going to Fashion, week is that every once
in a while you'll see a big star like that
and you're, like, wow they really do actually radiate, light

(16:36):
like there is literally their. Star you see them out
at the corner of your. Eye first IT'S i don't
know what that quality is that they, do not all of,
them but someone Like Hugh, Jackman, yeah he's got huge star.
Quality and he was doing this faux thing where he
was like looking around in, wonder but he knew that
everybody was looking at. Me AND i understand that as

(16:56):
a public, figure that's. Tough how do you act like
you don't? Realize, right there's that famous meme Of adele
being you, know where the camera's right in her face
and she's sitting i, think court side at a game
and she's trying so hard to not even look into the.
Camera SO i get, that BUT i really thought he
was doing it in a very demonstrative sort, of oh
look at, me little old me kind of. Way and

(17:17):
it's just this was literally thirteen or fourteen years, ago
and it completely turned me off him ever. SINCE i,
Mean i'm fine with his movies and, everything BUT i
think he's kind of A he's probably not SOMEONE i would.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Like i'm just, Saying, ah.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
All, right is that is?

Speaker 2 (17:31):
It? Anyway so the third, story, well.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
ACTUALLY i think we're going to take a break and
come back BECAUSE i feel like this third story is
going to take a little bit. Longer so we'll take
a short. Break it will be right. Back we're, Back
and we didn't even tell you what the third TikTok
it's not really a TikTok. Story it was one of
the biggest celebrity stories in the, month which is That Patty,
lapone The broadway, legend gave an interview To The New,

(17:53):
yorker and it kind of exploded because even For, patty
it was shockingly. Blonde patty has a, reputation it's always
had a reputation for being, very very blunt and, confrontational
and up until this point in her, CAREER i, MEAN
i know she's made some, enemies but there was a

(18:14):
certain level, of, oh, well she's just to take no, shit,
diva and that's you, know and people admired her for,
it AND i will SAY i still there's still a
lot About Patty lapone's public persona THAT i, like and
there is a lot, of if, ANYTHING i think she
is someone and we'll get into. This she sort of
aged out a little, bit and she didn't realize that

(18:34):
the culture has shifted and you cannot get away with
some of the things you said in this. INTERVIEW i
think ten years ago she could have done this interview
and people would have been, like, diva she takes no.
Prisoners but as we were saying just before we flipped
on the, mic one of the things that she did
was to call two black women bitches and disparage their.

(18:55):
Talent AND i, mean, lady What.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
It's one thing when you're in the red carpet and
you give some sound, bites you, know, funny kind of, witty,
mean big or, whatever but when you it's not just an.
Interview she was profiled By The New york A.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Megaine it was an in Depth, yeah, YEAH i.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Mean it's it's a little different when you profiled by a.
Magazine they followed. YOU i mean they did. That remember
The New York. Times we were profiled in The New York,
times which means that they follow you, around they.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Observe, you they observe you what you, do usually several.
Days it's usually several.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Days they asked a lot of, questions so you, know
it's it's not just a quick, interview so you had
time to think about what you were going to. Say
and it was. EXPLOSIVE i, mean, her her statements are
are really, bad AND i don't. Know it's one thing
when you complain, about you, know people having cell phones
and then that you yelled at them in the audience

(19:46):
blah blah, blah that kind of. Stuff you know that
that's kind of, cute, funny and you applaud because you
know you hate people with cell, phones blah blah. Blah
but when.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
You go after your, colleagues, colleagues you, know and calling
them bitches and desp charaging their talent in, PRINT i
feel like there was like The Patty lapone of a
decade or two ago would not have gone that, far
even though she has disparaged, colleagues AND i, mean she
certainly had planning to say About Glenn close over the

(20:14):
years for Taking Sunset boulevard a way from.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Her BUT.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
I feel, like you, know she did get some sort
of viral. Fame, Obviously Patty lapone was famous long before,
this but she sort of got some viral fame for
calling out theater patrons for flash cameras and recording and
all kinds of, stuff and some of these videos went
viral and people were like Ugo. Patty and then she

(20:44):
also got some online cred because During lockdown she was
doing a lot of zoom videos and. Stuff it was
mostly complaining About. Trump she became a, very very virulent
Anti trump celebrity and that was getting her a lot
Of AND i just feel, LIKE i don't want to sound,
condescending but when you're in your seventies and you're and

(21:05):
you've always been, famous but your fame shifts in a
certain way that becomes more politicized and more, viral which
is how her fame did. SHIFT i don't necessarily think
you're going to have the best tools to navigate. That,
well let me just say we have been on social
media for sixteen seventeen, years been publishing a site for
almost twenty. Years to be online and spewing your constant,

(21:29):
opinions which.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
We, do.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
You have to threat a needle between being you, know
the bitchy red carpet bloggers and being just flat out, bitches,
Right and there's always been that that has always been
in the work with us is to make sure and
we never ever ever veer. Off and my point is
that sometimes you get you, know you get a lot
of attention and it gets very heady for, you you,

(21:55):
know your sassy words or, whatever and you just want
to give them more and. Give AND i really think
that's what this. Is patty is a. Performer she's been
on stage her whole, life and now she's got this
weird sort of viral fame and she just keeps. Trying you.
KNOW i was really surprised by some of what she
said in this interview because it felt like it was

(22:15):
way further than The patty we have seen in other.
Interviews but she was just taking it too far where
she was like calling people losers for being out in
the middle of the, day or making fun of children
writing a zamboni at a basketball. Game i'm not offended
or scandalized by these, things But i'm just, like what
did you think what's going to be the reaction to?
This did you did you think that made you sound?

(22:36):
Charming because it really. Doesn't and, AGAIN i actually Love,
PATTY i love, her her. LEGACY i love her talent
and there are times when her bluntness can be a
lot of. Fun she's a you, know seventy six year
Old Italian New york. WOMAN i get. It but she
going and then going after two black women and two

(22:58):
to two performers who are well were barred it and
calling them bitches and disparaging their talent.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
And dismissing their work because she even got the number
of awards that the l and the number of plays
that lewis like completely dismissing the whole.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Thing you, know it really came off, racist, yes and as.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Everyone was, saying you, know you don't call a fellow
actress a bitch.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
In a major in a print. Interview, now you just.
Don't and currently wowing audiences As Mama rose And, gypsy
a part That Patty lampone also, played and you don't,
know and well she was asked about her role in
her performance In, gypsy and she wouldn't you, know she

(23:43):
turned to the window and, said what a beautiful, day
which is just a, bitchy passive aggressive way of saying
you don't think she's worth commenting. On and that woman's
a friggin legend.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Right and in case you don't, know the whole thing
started with Ultramat donald because she patter LuPone lapone was
she was in the play With Mia farrow called The,
roommate and then she complained about the noise next door.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
And Next Door Passia lewis's.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Play, yeah so she complained about it and and it
trying to do the thing THAT i, mean a lot
of people were, saying you, know this is like borderline borderline,
racist you, know because you're going after these Two African
american you, know. Actresses, uh and it just doesn't look.
Good and people would saying that it just the language was,
wrong you, know even if you just like want to

(24:28):
joke about it that you, know they're making too much
noise or. Whatever but, uh, yeah when you profile by
a magazine like The New yorker, MAGAZINE i, mean come,
on and you call people. Bitches, yeah it just doesn't look. Good,
UH i don't. Know people people are not happy about
a lot of people complaining, online even the ones who love. Her.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
YEAH i mean there's there's bluntness in your old age
and that admiral and bold and, everything and then there's
a there's this which just felt like she was burning
down her. Reputation she just bad mouths so many people
in this in this, Interview.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Ry, soury and what's the. Point you're a.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Legend you can go out ON. Hi you don't have
to go out like. This it just was so ill.
Advised AND i have to wonder does she have a?
PUBLICIST i can't imagine she. Doesn't of course she.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Does, well how did? THEY i, mean the thing is
that it goes back a little bit to the fact
that these people can do no. Wrong when you get
to that level of fame and you, know and right
becoming an, icon you feel like you do whatever you
want to. Do there's no one around you to tell
you that you, know you're you're you're a little out

(25:36):
of line. HERE i, mean so you keep doing it
and most people probably find it, funny, haha, hysterical but
you know.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
THAT i think a lot of people were turned off
by this. One it was just so. Bitter it wasn't,
cute funny sassy. Patty it Was, wow you're getting really
nasty here? Anyway did we know?

Speaker 2 (25:54):
That that's? It LIKE i, said back to WHAT i,
said if you make a comment on the red carpet
that you, know you're yelling at your audience because they
have a cell phone on blah blah. Blah that's one,
Thing but when you are being.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Profiled trashing people by.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
People, yeah that's that's a little too.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Much a little too, Much, Patty what are you? Thinking,
yes all, right moving, on let's wrap Up. Hacks we
have actually two episodes because we didn't get a chance
to do a podcast last week because of the we
didn't we chose not. TO i never addressed. This we
chose not to do a podcast last week because of the.
Holiday you, know there's not a lot of engagement on,

(26:30):
holidays you, know like, that so we opted skip. It
so we're two episodes. Behind we're wrapping up with the.
Finale we haven't talked about this at all because you
told me that you weren't too thrilled about these last two,
episodes AND i actually liked. Them let's start with the
one Where, NO.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
I didn't like The i'd like the last, one the, Finale,
YEAH i, did.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Okay the second to the last, one and we'll get to.
That you're going to talk about. That the second to
the last. One you, know there were a lot of
sort of ludicrous twists and, turns AND i don't necessarily
feel that anything that we saw this season represented a

(27:16):
somewhat realistic view of How Late night. Functions BUT i
actually that whole thing where the two of them basically
ended their careers over a by taking basically a moral
stance and a feminist. ONE i felt that that was.
EARNED i. Did when that moment, HAPPENED i was, like
they have been leading to. THIS i have to give them.

(27:38):
CREDIT i had a lot of problems with how they
got there and what was happening along the. Way way
too much time this season was spent on their supposed.
FEUD i Think deborah And ava are more interesting when
they're butting, heads but their feud turned into this, bizarre

(27:58):
like slapstick thing THAT i was, like, NO i you,
know in, retrospect especially these last two two, EPISODES i
felt like the whole season could have been much more
effective if they were really really mad at each other
and constantly sniping at each, other but still working really
hard to get the work. Done and then instead there

(28:19):
was like four episodes where the two of them were
acting like, fools AND i the whole, TIME i was,
like neither one of these women deserve this. Job they're
actually squandering all the audience's, Goodwill like you were rooting for,
them and Now i'm, like you're acting like such assholes
THAT i don't, care you. Know AND i sat all
along this season THAT i didn't there was no way

(28:40):
the show was going to be successful in the long.
Term there's NO tv. Show we knew the show was. Good,
yeah if it's just that being really, successful why the
hell WOULD i watch? This SO i was just waiting
for this to. Happen And i'm ACTUALLY i was impressed
at how it. UNFOLDED i was, like they really laid
it all, out and they set it all, up and
then they slowly removed people like, that you, Know debora

(29:01):
had That Helen hunt's character fired or inadvertently, fired And
Tony goldwin's character came, in and he was always a
minor early threatening character in some. Way he hung over
them in a way that felt, Like, okay that's a
that's A pablov's, gun or check pablows, gun that's pad
blows Dog chekhov's, gun ready ready to go. Off SO

(29:22):
i all of that was really well set. UP i
didn't find it, realistic, like, oh she's gonna just blow
up her career on live television like. THAT i didn't
necessarily feel that that was, real, realistic BUT i liked
where the story toruk.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
ME i thought it was good, television but it's not
realistic at. All debora would never do. That deba would
fire her and continue.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
See we had this.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Discussion debra would fire, her continue with with her, work her,
show and then find a way to Bring aba back or.
SOMETHING i don't think she would just go on national
television and see How i'm, quitting because you know, WHATEVER
i love my coworker NOW i.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
DO i think that they set that, up AND i
think the point was that after all of, this she
is a changed person and all you. Know it wasn't just,
altruism wasn't just, Oh i'm doing this For, ava although.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
That was part of.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
It so much time was spent on how bitter she
was about her first time, out about getting canceled or
getting cut out Of Late night the first, time and
so much of that was. Sent so much of that
conversation was centered around, sexism about the sexism that she

(30:36):
she had constantly and that she had she felt bitter about.
It she felt that her career had suffered because of,
it and then she is faced with, this this astonishing
amount of misogyny and sexism that she is supposed to
sign off on and have her the woman that you
know that she, loves the colleague that she. Loves. NO

(30:57):
i felt that that was set up when you Say
deborah wouldn't do, that And i'm, like, Yeah deba wouldn't
have done that a year. Ago but This, DEBORA i
actually feel like they have written her to a point
where that makes.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Sense, well going by what you're, SAYING i can see
some of that Because debra is a very accomplished, woman
and she wanted her talk, show so maybe Typical, deborah
she got her, show you, know and then, done you,
know so move on to something else if if she had,
to SO i can see. THAT i just don't. THINK

(31:28):
i don't, know there's so much side shit on this
show THAT i.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Can't here we're not going to talk about horrible kidding.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Again, yes but she was like this whole thing about mistreating,
him you, know and oh my, god how dare you
guys this whole wasted time about because they're running around
like crazy because they're about to lose their, jobs and
here we are spending like five seven minutes With kayla
talking about how they're Mistreating.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Jimmy and JIM i, MEAN i didn't care about.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
That it's just, like oh my, God i'm not my.
FAVORITE i can't TAKE i can't take any of them.
Anymore AND i understand that you can't have a show
with just those, two but oh my, god, no none
of that makes, sense AND i really.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
DON'T i, MEAN i do think they're. Overutilized my point
With kaylen And jimmy is not that they're bad characters
or bad. Actors it's that they don't do. Anything it
was the same thing With, marcus that you introduce these
characters and you just don't do anything interesting with, Them
and after a, While i'm, like why why do we

(32:33):
keep checking in on these? People you have no, Storyline
Like marcus had no storyline for most of his time
on the. SHOW i have some theories about where they're
taking him. Next and Then kaylen And jimmy's storyline was
sort of not that. INTERESTING i GUESS i don't, know
so they they bumped it up with these weird sitcom
antics that Never, actually that's the thing About hacks is

(32:55):
that the tone shifts so, much and, UH i do
think that as the show, continues it's starting to lose,
sight like what are you? Actually are you a? Drama
and are you a? Comedy and if you're a, comedy
are you like a sort of sophisticated prestige. Comedy are
you or are you just, like you, know freaking signed Thirty.

(33:16):
Rock that's the thing sometimes WHEN i keep, saying, oh
it's not really realistic that the, Television i'm, like, yeah
there's a lot OF tv like Thirty rock was not
a realistic, show but the tone of that show was
sitcomedy and every character was wacky and. Unrealistic and that's
why when you cut To kalo or THE i can't
remember the actor that they hired as their receptionist or

(33:38):
whatever it's it just feels like a different. Show it
feels like a sitcom And i'm not even sure what
the point of that any of these people. Are on
the other, hand when you have someone like the the
actress who plays the mayor Of Las, vegas she cracks
the shit out of, me and mainly because that character
makes no. Sense she comes, in she does one or

(33:58):
two completely weird scenes and then that's. It then she goes.
Away we don't follow a storyline with her the way
we do With kayla And. Jimmy and it's the same
thing in the final episode when they Brought christopher McDonald,
back her old boss at the. Casino they have insane
fucking chemistry, together and when they married him off to

(34:21):
another that was dumb BECAUSE i was, like, OH i
completely forgot about the chemistry these two, have like you
just want them. Together they have good side characters in the,
cast but they they tend to focus. WELL i, Mean
jimmy is he's the co creator of the, show writing those.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Wrongs of, course of course he's gonna be on camera,
Anyway but it feels like everybody else is just crazy
or cycle like The. MOTHER i, mean everyone nobody's normal
except So ava's nobody's. NORMAL i mean the show was
always like.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
THAT i don't mind. THAT i just think you can
have these quirky side, characters but if you're trying to
whole side story throughout an ENTIRE i, mean The Kleen
jimmy thing just wasn't. Interesting if they just popped in
every now and then and were, WACKY i would be
okay with, Them But i'm supposed to care about the
name of their company and who they're, hiring and is
her father going, to you, know shut them down or

(35:16):
hire her? Away And jimmy doesn't have enough aggression and you,
know are they a? Couple And i'm, like none of
this is. Interesting i'm, sorry none of.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
It, no, no, no that that whole conversation about oh my,
god maybe my father was. Right oh, Please.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
I'm Just i'm, Sorry i'm not. Interested you're an.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Idiot.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Okay, ANYWAY i can't stand her. Character you've made that very. Clear,
Okay lorenzo said he was gonna Watch meghan stuff that
SHOW i can't written By lena Donom i was, like
you can't stand, her and you can't Stand Lena, donald why.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Would you watch? Anymore BECAUSE i was, like, NO i
Hate kayla so. Much that Poor. Meghan she's actually very.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Funny, her her like viral, videos her her social media
videos are all very very, funny and they always have.
BEEN i think she is a. TALENT i just think
she this role is. Right the, thing and this is
WHAT i mean about sitcom characters is she's a character

(36:16):
who's just supposed to be. Annoying she was designed to
be really really, annoying and then after several seasons they were, like,
oh we need to give her an. Arc so now
they're trying to take this really annoying person and give
her some sort of and it's, like, WELL i don't,
know maybe just leave her in the, background as you, Know, cramer, right,
anyway should we move on to the second?

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Episode to the, FILENCE.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
I liked. IT i didn't love it as much BECAUSE
i felt it was a lot of wheel. Spinning it was,
like all, right they're JUST i, MEAN i had no
problem with them going To singapore or the money was
spent and it looked. Amazing it was fun to, Watch.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Oh my, God, Singapore jesus with.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Money, yeah with. Money obviously you were saying that last.
Night you were, like my, God singapore is. Amazing i'm, like, yeah,
yeah a tount of. Money it's.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Great but the same thing With New. York yeah it's
great with.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Money and that was all, good AND i you, know
Watching deborah sort of decline like, that it was sad
and it was, earned AND i didn't mind any of.
It but then it got to a point where Like
deborah And, ava Like ava came to her and had
had some concerns about how she was, acting and that
was a really well written and well acted. Scene but

(37:28):
Then deborah starts being a bitch to her and saying
all this really mean stopped to her to hurt her,
again and to the, Writings to the credit of the,
Writers ava reacted in a grown up manner and said
you're Just AND i like that because it was. Growth
but at the same, Time i'm, LIKE i, really this
is so an interesting Watching deborah being a bitch To ava.
Again we have so been down this road right so many.

(37:50):
Times the good thing is they did Not it was
a minor thing and they did not linger on. It
by the end of the. EPISODE i thought it was
well set up how they got them to, it because
when they walked out on the show AND i knew
there was another, EPISODE i was, like how are they
doing this without making it really? Depressed, Right, like how

(38:10):
are they doing? This what's the what's thought?

Speaker 2 (38:12):
HERE i thought it was a phenomenal episode because oh
he Did oh. OH i loved it because it felt
Like deborah she has money and she is reck, piste. Pissed,
yeah So i'm gonna do. This i've got a party
and YEAH i have the. Money, Yeah i'm going To. Singapore,
YE i still want to, work AND i found a
way to do, it which was. Hilarious it was all

(38:33):
hilarious And God Singapore. Jesus, Anyway so AND i agree
with you the scene when they WHEN i actually thought
the same thing When avid, says you, know you're just
doing that thing. Again you're hurting me because you know.
YOU i loved it because it feels like grown. Up,
yeah and you grown up and you know each. Other,
yeah you've been through this so many. Times, well she

(38:55):
was still. Hurt it's still, hurtful but she recognized it
for what it. Was and then the hook OF tmz
actually publish which has, happened accidentally publishing her obituary and
her being just offended that that's how her. LIFE i,
mean that was a, great you, know spurring. Factor it
got her to the next point where she was, like,

(39:15):
fuck this this is not how my life or career
is going.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Down and THAT'S i.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Don't know how they're going to do it because they
have to. Wait maybe they that'll be. It twendy come
back is eight month. Later Eight, well.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Here's the next THING i want to say is that
they Suddenly marcus is back in the, story, right and
they're watching. Them what was it they blew up The
tropicana or? Anything AND i think it was Tropic. Hanna
why are we watching? This what's the point of all?
This except it became this discussion with his mother and
his aunt and HIS i guess that's his boyfriend now

(39:47):
about how there are no more boutique hotels In Las.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Vegas so that's how they're going to bring them.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
IN i feel like he's going to do A. Deborah you,
know he's going to go into Because deborah came back
to them and, said don't you want to go back into?
Business and it would be dumb dramatically if at the
end Of Hacks debra is just at a casino and
selling shit On Home Shopping. Network, again that's not what
we want and that would be honestly a very depressing

(40:16):
ending for the. Show SO i feel like she's going
to Be she is a, businesswoman, right and she wants to,
perform and if she owns the space that she, can,
LIKE i see her ending this as more of a
cabaret at kind of thing instead of a casino act
kind of, thing WHICH i think would be a great
way to end, it or she starts devoting her time

(40:41):
to Developing ava's, career WHICH i actually think might also
be the way it, ends is that at some Point debra,
says you, know it's your, turn so we'll, see BUT
i Don't they're obviously they're not returning to television. AGAIN
i cannot imagine that she's going back to the. Casine you,
know we're back to the home shopping. Network so this

(41:02):
is WHERE i think it's. Going they're going to develop
a sort of tabaret. Act probably maybe it'll be a,
duo maybe the two of them will be on stage
or something that would be fun to.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Watch, yes AND i can't. Wait what's next For?

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Kayla, YEAH i, mean who. Knows my, god those Two
jimmy and you got to get over. This they don't
even take up that much. Time and, yes.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Every second it's.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Painful please get over all, RIGHT i think we will
take a break and then we are diving into those
ladies on. End just like, That we're not diving into those,
Ladies we're diving into the. Episode, uh and just like,
that we'll be right. Back we are back and the
first episode of the third, season and just like, that

(41:46):
dropped last, night and we have things to. Say although
during the break we did a, brief you, know recap
of what we're going to talk, about AND i was,
LIKE i don't really have a lot to, Say and
that is probably one of my main credit of this
episode is, that, listen the appeal of this show is
you're just getting to check in on your old friends

(42:08):
again and look at their new. Life And i'm okay with.
That it's not a particularly challenging or in depth sort of,
show but as a sort of like you, know gen
X Eye candy kind of, thing, like, sure let's check
in On carrie and her pals.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Again that's the FEELING i got reading some of the.
Reviews that's that's what people.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Are that's all they want from the.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Show, yeah you're just watching these, ladies that's.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
IT i will say that we have settled into a
point where the other cast, members the ones that they have,
introduced they feel much more. Integrated now that's probably a
poor choice of words because they are women of, color
but those five women now actually feel like a social.
Group they feel like five women who would be friends.

(42:55):
With that was some of my, Problems Like Chay, Diaz i'm, like,
No i'm, sorry nobody this group would be friends with
you ideas based on everything we know about these. Women
this is not. That these are not the type of
people that they socialize. With and now this social group
feels it feels. Correct these are very, accomplished very Wealthy
New york, women and all of them are pretty, glamorous

(43:18):
and they all support each. Other and that's.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
GREAT i like.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
IT i like The. FIVESOME i think if they stick
with those five, women then you have a show that's
worthy of being a sequel to and just like. That
the PROBLEM i have is that none of them have
interesting lives at. All nothing about their lives are.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Interesting rich and AS i mentioned to you, BEFORE i
mean we've met people like them In New york that
they have so much money they don't know what to
do with so they and they have no, problems like no,
metis they have no, problems nothing. Interesting, no it's just you,
know having a rich. Life the alarm.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Keeps going on and carries twenty million dollar. Apartment, okay
fight with the, dog oh, RIGHT i know my dog
is being canceled like these are Listen sex and The
city always had silly little side stories don't get me.
Wrong and there was always like life In New york
and the wacky people you meet and stuff like. THAT
i get, It but now the show was all. That

(44:16):
it's just all little little vignettes In New york of
extremely wealthy people having problems that really don't amount to
much of.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
ANYTHING i, think, YEAH i think it's just becomes LIKE
i don't, know you just watched him LIKE i. WAS
i couldn't stop looking At lisa's. NECKLACE i, mean, like
what is? It?

Speaker 1 (44:34):
YEAH i mean the clothing is they just.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
So over the. Top AND i get, it they have,
money they can wear whatever they, want but come, on
nobody would wear that at. HOME i.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Mean the thing About sex and The city back in
the day is, that, yes people remember it as this
big fashion, show but what was great about it was
sometimes like the women showed up at brunch looking like.
Shit you. Know sometimes they were in, hoodies like because
that's How New yorkers. Lived the fashion was. There they
went out when they went, out but they're like walking
through the park in these ridiculous hat Hat what is?

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Then you look like a crazy?

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Woman did she get into an uber with? That did
she get on The subway with that.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
And everything about. It her apartment.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
IS i don't mind that they're. Wealthy, honestly they were
always they were never. Struggling carrie used to. STRUGGLE i
don't mind that they're, Wealthy LIKE i think there's a
certain level of GEN x sort of lifestyle porn going on,
there like, right and that's. FINE i really don't her
That gramercy Park house is. Jefs the apartment is a. Stunner,

(45:38):
GOD i would AND i always hated That carrie went
back to that that studio Park that was always. Stupid
she's a, millionaire you, know she was married to Essentially Donald. Trump,
no it doesn't bother me that they're. WEALTHY i just feel,
like what the fuck are you all? Doing like you're
just all, points your lives are all, right they all.

(46:00):
Right it was the first, episode so. FINE i Know
miranda's doing good work in her, career and she did
get a line talking about. It AND i Know charlotte
is very good at her job in that art, gallery.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
But where are those?

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Things AND i KNOW i can't remember her character's Theme
Lisa Nicole Larry. PARKER i, KNOW i mean she's obviously
got a great jobs but here's a perfect, example her
and her. Husband it's, Like, okay you are a documentarian
FOR pbs and you're doing, work you, know black centered
work FOR, pbs and your husband is a politico who

(46:37):
was running for city. Controller And i'm just, like, WELL i,
mean that's a FUCKING tv show right. There there's drama
and there would be a but everything about it's so.
Dull it's like they actually have the most interesting lines
of anybody in the, show and they're. Dull they're dull to.
Watch nothing against, them but they don't seem to know
how to write Any like they really seem to giving

(47:00):
any of these people's. Problems, hey remember when saman had.
CANCER i mean remember, That like there was you, know
and even in this, show Like miranda had a drinking,
problem but that's just sort of been, like you, know.
Conquered what's. FINE i don't, MEAN i don't mean they have,
to you, know belabor the. Point but none of these

(47:21):
people have real problems and like nothing against you, know
mature people trying to find love and sex and navigate that.
WORLD i do think that's. INTERESTING i do think the
show should do more of. That but the two single
characters Are miranda And, sema AND i think they both

(47:42):
act in ways that make them look. Pathetic, SEEMA i,
know AND i really feel the ACTRESS i can't remember her.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Name, Now.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Serena, Chowtery, YES i really feel like she is struggling
with the material where they're just she's fabulous and she's
she's really you, know accomplished and wealthy and, everything but
she is just pining over these men in her life
and just obsessing over. Them And i'm, LIKE i don't, Know,

(48:14):
like you're fifty, five you're. Amazing why are? You why
are you acting like a love struck twenty two year?

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Old? RIGHT i mean in the beginning they showed her,
career she was very, powerful had this incredible, job and
now she's like in bid miserable, way.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
And following her, arrest, WELL i think at least they
kind of dispensed with. THAT i think that relationship is.
OVER i don't, know but this whole, listen there's nothing
wrong with pursuing romance and sex at any, age AND
i do think the show would be interesting if it
did actually stick with that sort of. Thing Like carrie

(48:48):
had her phone sex scene and that's. Fine all of
that stuff works for, me But i've always felt this.
WAY i SOMETIMES i feel like the writing staff on
this show is a little too, young and they're they're
writing these. Women they don't sound like women approaching. Sixty
they sound like women who just turned, forty and so, like,

(49:10):
NOW i don't know the Whole miranda thing With rosy, O'Donnell,
well first, off she almost tried to pick up her
former babysitter right in the. Bar and then she picks
upthing And i'm, like, Okay i'm NOT i don't want
to sound judgmental, here BUT i just feel like picking
up people in bars for one night's. Stands these are
the stories you're. Doing first of, all these are the

(49:31):
stories you're. Doing that's so. Uninteresting you did these same
stories with these characters thirty years. AGO i don't, know go, ahead.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
NO i, mean first of, ALL i MEANS i find
it a little impossible that you wouldn't recognize her. Babysitter come,
on like she.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
OH i don't know about.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
That, oh her son's an.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Adults so when we that woman, babysit.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
But it was just, like the whole thing is so,
weird AND.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
I thought that whole scene was unnecessary.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Well but they always make they're Making miranda look athetic and,
desperate you, know AND i just swearing.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
MASSEEMA i don't. LIKE i think it would be great
If miranda was, Like i'm going out and getting late
as much AS i. Can this is a great new
part of my. Life but, no it just feels Like
miranda from thirty years, ago going out to bars and awkward.
Hookups AND i don't. Know there's ways to do mature
sexuality and mature dating that is funny and that feels,

(50:27):
realistic and this isn't it like hitting the bars In New.
YORK i don't. Know having said, THAT i didn't mind
the storyline With rosie, O'Donnell WHO i thought rose was
great AND i could see it coming from a mile
away Because i'm a Lapse. CATHOLIC i was, Like, oh
she's a nun and she doesn't realize she's a.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Nun oh, WOW i did not know.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
That she said her name Was, Mary oh, god and
she's lesbian the way she was, dressed and OH i did.
Not if you, know if You're catholic and, gay you
can spot a lesbian. LIFE i thought that was.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Hilarious was the whole thing With New york making fun of, tourists.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
And well that was very typical Of New york.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
And sex and the. City, no all of that is.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Fine, actually the rosy thing was. FINE i don't mind.
THAT i just hated WHEN i just hated that they're, like,
oh we're hooking up in. Bars like, Again i'm not
looking down on that. Behavior i've done it plenty of.
TIMES i know plenty of people in my age group
who have done, that who are still doing that sort of.
Thing so it's not a moral. Judgment it's more, like

(51:30):
is this? Interesting is this the best way for her
to at her, age to be exploring her. SEXUALITY i
really don't think that's.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
IT i just feel like they're presenting these curates very one,
sided you, know like that's just. This this is you,
know their rich lives and very silly problems and everything
else is not being presented to, us like interesting stuff
about these characters that could be. Shown, NO i, MEAN
i Mean, CARRIE i mean she's just going to be
like that and inside that empty, apartment you, know waiting

(52:01):
For aiden to make a.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Decision that is one of the few areas where an
actual conflict is being set, Up AND i don't mind
seeing it. Unfold it's it's you, know it's not a bone,
crushing light destroying, problem but seeing her navigate what's going
on With, Aiden, Okay i'm fine with. THAT i don't
know if you it was implied in the final scene

(52:25):
where she opened her laptop and wrote a sentence that
was not first, person which is how she normally writes As,
carrie because they're implying and you saw it in the,
trailer she's going to write a.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Novel, right, YEAH i.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
COULD i saw, that which is a very very good
place to take her. Character and in, fact professionally, speaking
if there was A Carrie bradshaw in the real, world
she would have been writing romance novels for the last ten, years.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Right she's, like that's.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Carry bradshaw would make a fuck ton of money if
That's if that's what she decided to, do she would
be a very, successful, right romance novelists if she wanted.
To And i'm actually surprised it took them like they
were giving her a podcast in the first couple of, seasons, like,
no this is where she would, be so all of that's.
Good carrie the romance, Novelist carrie doing phone sex With,
aiden and all of her friends are, like what the

(53:15):
fuck's going on With? Aiden That none of that bothers.
Me it's been set. Up it's not the most interesting
thing in the. World BUT i have to Admit i'm
not so sure i'd want to show With harry With
carrie playing the, field like going out and dating lots of.
Guys and, again that has nothing to do with age
or proprietor or anything like. That it's just simply we've done,

(53:36):
This we've done, this and then she got married to
the guy of her dreams for twenty, years and now
she's doing guy number two and it's weird and there's
all this weird family stuff and actually all of that
works for, me just, fine it actually. DOES i thought
the phone sex scene was awkward as, hell cringey as,
hell AND i don't know if they're going to follow

(53:56):
up on. This but the thing With aiden is it
never felt like the writers Of sex and The city
were aware of exactly the kind of character they were,
Writing like he was just oh so, romantic but actually
he was really, controlling you, know you, know if you
really look at how he Treated. Carrie it wasn't always great,
yeah that's. Right and you know that those, sex those

(54:17):
phone sex scenes were a little disturbing because he was
more or less harassing her into, participating and then when
she tried to follow it, up he completely shut her.
Down and it's, like, well that's so you get to initiate,
it and and she does. Not she's not allowed to call.
You so THAT'S i don't know if they're going to explore,
that but.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
That's a real.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Problem that's something, probably that's something. INTERESTING i, Agree miranda
bar hopping and having one night stands very. Boring charlotte's
dog very fucking? Boring would Her?

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Oscar The lorana? Life, know.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
That's the thing With. Charlotte that character is written into a.
Corner she has a very happy, marriage her daughters love,
her her children love, her they have a ton of.
Money so what do you? What what are you doing
with that? CHARACTER i, MEAN i don't. Know that's my
problem with the show IS i actually think all five
of those women are. INTERESTING i want to follow. Them

(55:11):
there are things you can do on the. Surface their
lives should be rich with, drama but the show seems so.
DETERMINED i want to see what What miranda's doing on her,
job like she's doing all this advocacy work and. EVERYTHING
i want TO i want her to meet, fun, interesting goofy,
lesbians you, KNOW i want her to go to a
dyke martch or something like. That but you, know cocktail

(55:34):
dresses and heels and one night's.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Stand they just feels so oh, yeah like done.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
DONE i don't want to say old because then people
are going to think we've, done, done, done be.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
DONE i watch it.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Because, Anthony, Oh i'm very not interested in the big
Dick italian. BOYFRIEND i, Mean i'm just My and you,
Know patty the poone plays his. Mother, really that's why
that IF i was being done this because she's in
the new. Season ALTHOUGH i don't know unless she's playing
An italian woman because He's italian and She's. AMERICAN i don't.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Know another problematic actor's part of the.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
SHOW I i Like Mario, cantone he's. FINE i Like,
anthony he's. Fine AND i mean they couldn't really give
that character the kind of second act that they might
have because stan the actor who Played stanford died.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Right right and and and, yeah and his character was
always like not that. Important, no he's becoming a little more,
important he's.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
The samantha and the. Group someone has to be the, blunt,
blunt little, slut and that's. Him BUT i felt, like,
again this comes down to are the are the writers
aware that they come across this way or are they
going to lean into it or? Not the thing between
him And, CARRIE i thought she was being quite the

(56:55):
little baby about the whole. Thing you these are friends
that YOU'VE i, mean you've Done, STANFORD i mean Not
Stanford anthony for thirty. Years he's apparently a very close.
Friend you have entered some bizarre relationship situation that you
will not answer questions, about and you're mad at your
very old friend.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Using that kind of. Language, WHY i mean, Yeah now.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
She was, like, YES i was very. ANNOYED i was very,
mad BUT i accept your. Apology And i'm, like, REALLY
i don't even think he NEEDED i, mean maybe he
needed to, apologize but he didn't say anything that, yeah
you can't.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Apologize but it's acting like it was this big. Thing
it would be normal to make that kind of. COMMENT i, mean, YEAH.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
I would be, like, wait what what are you? DOING
i say shit to my friends all the. Time her
something all, like, WELL i was. Annoyed, Whatever, carrie come,
on you've known this guy for thirty. Years he is
your exactly bitchy gay.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Friend and you need those, friends and you need those,
friends you need those. Fans you know, what you being?

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Idot and it would it would be nice if they
actually wrote that with. Something it would ACTUALLY i would
have liked it even more if they had had some
minor confrontation over. It anthony would have been, like the
hell are you talking? About i've known you for thirty?
Years like that to. Me but they never do that
and they never take. IT i still into an, adult grown.

(58:09):
Up this is how people would react kind of. Way
it's always this weird like they're all like.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Dolls, NO i missed the. Dates remember them the fight
Between miranda And carry with the bag which.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
One they always, had fantastic fight the bagel.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
One remember they were having bullshit.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Bagel, yeah that was the fight that they had in
the vintage clothing stories for the best one they ever ever.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Had. Everything remember the brawl when she her mother died Of.
Miranda oh that was such a, great so many. Wonderful
they don't write like that, anymore they. Don't they're just
really wealthy. Women in really ridiculous. Clothing ridiculous, Nobody that's
WHAT i.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Mean they all like, like, well, dolls there's all in
these little, vignettes but none of them have real problems
or real. Emotions and, Listen I'll i'll be in. It
i'll watch it until the. End it doesn't make me
angry or. Anything it's just it's, like, oh it makes me,
disappointed it makes Me you could have done a lot with.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
This, yeah but as most reviews are, saying you, know
you're just watching them now at this, point, dolls.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Dolls modeling little dresses and having little, vignettes but nothing
of any interest happens to them.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Exactly which is a shame because it's such an interesting
age for, women for. CHARACTERS i.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Agree and you, know one's a, widow one just came
out as a. Lesbian like there there are things you
can do there that is just, interesting could be. Funny
but you're just doing, like you, know silly.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Shit, yeah you could be contributing with a lot of
more interesting stuff for. Television, anyways.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
AGREED i don't. KNOW i think we that's, it but
we're going to be watching. It we're going to be watching,
it and we're going to be recapping Every, friday so you,
know come back next. Week so we'll be. Back we
have to pack our suits AND i knew and jet
off to, you but we'll be back next week with
whatever crosses orse acrosses our. Desk until, then care of,

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yourself love you mean.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
That bye, bye by

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Thanks