April 17, 2025 • 45 mins
T Lo unpack the first two episodes of "Hacks," and explain why "The Studio" just isn't doing it for them before diving into all of the drama surrounding "The White Lotus." PLUS: Why you can't support Harry Potter anymore and why the Blue Origin spaceflight was crass and cynical.
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
We're Tom of Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style
Opinion Fas Telecans. Welcome back to another edition of the PSO.
I am the team, You're te Lo Tom Fitzgerald, and
I'm here with the Low and you're tee Lo Lorenzo.
Because my love husband, we're once again very late. Sorry
about that construction next door. Moving on, Okay, I hope
you're all doing well out there.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I'm been banging here.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, it's been a banging good time. And we are
literally recording this while.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
They're having lunch.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
The Brazilian work crew behind us is having lunch, so
we're hoping that they don't return to lunch all the podcast,
but they do. We're actually going to have to cut
like in the middle of talking because when I say loud,
you guys have no idea. Okay, all right, So we
have a bunch of things to talk about, and because
we're late getting this recording done, they're all a slightly
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stale topics. But we were like, you know, we're going
to do it anyway. First out of the gate, let's
talk do a little bit of TV talk we have
you know, I mean I always do this where I
feel like I have to introduce the topics, and the
topics are all listed in the title of that, but
I come up with the title and we record this,
so I never know. Anyway, there you go, in case
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you haven't read the title and you somehow stubbled into
this podcast. We're going to talk about hacks. We're going
to talk about the studio and uh, we're going to
talk about the Blue Origin spaceflight, and we're going to
talk about Oh, we're going to talk about a lot
of what weird white lotus stuff that people just won't
stop talking about it. So lots to talk about a
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whole pod pirie of topics. So jumping into Hacks Hecks.
First two episodes dropped last week, and you know, we're
so late on this. By the time you're listening to it,
the third episode will probably have dropped. But we have thoughts. Yes,
as you might know if you've listened or paid any
attention to us over the years. We love this show.
We've always loved this show. I sense that Lorenzo was
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not loving it as much as he did. Go ahead,
I think I.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Still like it and I'm still gonna watch it because
those two Jean Smart and Hannah Binder. I'm bender einm
Binder right. Anyway, They're both amazing and I will watch
the show because of them.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I was watching the two episodes of this season and
just pay attention to them, and I'm like, my god,
you two are so amazing. So they're great, but I
feel that the material has not moved on. They're kind
of of the same thing over and over again.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Sometimes I don't find this stuff believable. I think they're
I think Geen smart sometimes make moves or she makes
decisions and stuff that I was like, you know, a
woman in your power, in your experience, I don't think
you'd be doing what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
That's an interesting point for the laugh.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
For the laugh because it's it's funny. It's funny, so
she does it because it's funny for the audience to watch.
But at the same time, and when you think about it, like,
I don't know, I don't think so that's number one.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
All right. Let me jump in and say I kind
of don't agree because I when the part about you
saying that they're just not going anywhere with this, I
don't I feel like they actually have called this. We
have reached a culmination point with this season. They have
taken the story where it needed to go, which was
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she has her She finally has her talk show kind
of I'mbinder's character is now her lead writer. They are
at They don't like each other anymore. They're basically mortal
enemies at this point, so it doesn't feel like they're
rehashing stuff. They've taken the story forward, and as from
my perspective, I think everything that's happening in the story
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feels earned, like, Yes, this is where the story was going,
This was how it had to be. Even though they
came to love each other and respect each other, they
also learned some pretty awful lessons from each other. And
now they're in the manner of people who love each other,
they have the ability to tear chunks off each other
and to really really hurt each other. And that's that's
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where we are at the start of the season. I
will say that at the beginning that first episode, I
actually did have trouble getting into it because I was like, Okay,
I get that their enemies now, but they are being
so over the top nasty to each other.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Right, unprofessional? Very Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I was like, I mean it's funny, funny, like the
panties thing where she where and I was like, no,
I'm sorry. I realized that, oh she's a baby boomer
and they don't understand, you know whatever consent and but no,
I'm sorry, No, seventy year old woman. I don't care
how crash she is or how angry she is. That's
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she wasn't believable.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Now she wants this so badly. I mean, she wouldn't
be doing shit like that. No, I'm sorry, No, absolutely not.
So that's the part that I was like, no, it's cute, funny.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
But what I did like, and I will say that
I'm sorry, no, go ahead. What I did like was
that I don't know where the season's going. But they
dispensed with that nonsense by the end of the second
episode where what's her Face's character came in that had
the studio and basically called them both out on it.
Because that was the thing. I was like, how long
are we going to see this going on? Because they
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would both be fired for acting this way like this
is not believable. And then we had the boss come
in and basically tear them apart, and I was like,
all right, So the writing is still smart. We needed
to get that out of the way so that we
could progress forward and watch these two women, who now
hate each other try and create this masterpiece together. We
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can't have them, you know, tearing chunks off each other
all season long. So they got it out of the
way in the first two episodes, and I actually really
liked that. I like where those characters are right now.
I think having them hate each other is a very
interesting dynamic. And even like that scene outside this is
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where they earned me back, that scene outside the comedy
club where they got into the screaming match and all
the people had their phones up and everything. What I
loved about that scene was and again this when they
get her right, it feels correct or I was like,
this is how a seven year old woman who's angry
would respond, where she was smart enough to know I
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can't keep screaming at you, so I'm going to be
honest with you. And she basically said, I don't think
you're right for this job because I don't think you understood.
Like it was so honest and direct an adult that
I was like, Yes, that's what I need. Less of
the panty stuff, even though it's ha ha funny. I
was like, that's I don't really find that all that
believable anyway.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah, that's very much. I like how they act. I
think they're amazing, right. I can understand why they sort
of they were finding all the time they kind of
hate each other, but they have to put up at
each other kind of thing because they need each other.
I get all that, but it just became the same
and some of Deborah's I don't know behavior just didn't
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fit the character. Oh, it didn't fit someone with that
much experience and so much on the line.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I agree up to a point, like what she was
pulling in the office, I was like, I don't really
think she would be doing that. I don't think she
would be putting herself in a position where that stuff could.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Blow up, right, you know exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
But I did love the scene with the press conference
because one of the things up until that point, I
was like, so, is is she just gonna right just
run rough shot over her? I'mbinder's character, and then she's
gonna be fine, because the whole point to this show
was that they needed each other, so you know what,
So when they had the press conference, I was like, oh, okay, Yeah,
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Deborah Unbound is still she needs someone to reel her in,
and when no one's reeling her in, she and I
actually do think like Deborah. They're showing the darker side
of Deber again. And if you go back to the
first few episodes of the show, she was awful. She
was really awful to her, and then you know, they
humanized her and they softened her and the two of
them came to love each other. So we haven't seen
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the really dark side of Deborah in a while. But
I like that she has that darkness, and I feel
that when the writing's sharp and when Jeane Smart's really
hitting it, which she is hitting it most of the time,
I think it imbused the character with this sort of
exhausted second wave feminist anger where she's like, I don't
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you know, like the anger that she had about being
asked about her age and being asked about her woman
and being a woman in this role and everything. Yeah,
that felt very true to her age and her generation
and her experiences, like she would not want to have
to explain herself at the stage in her career and
she would react very badly to it. So that sort
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of writing I really like. I like when Devraa's you know,
a little bit of an asswer.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
No. I think for the most part they get it right.
Like the part that I loved it is when they're
fighting and Debra is making the argument that you know,
you're great, you knew you have all these new jokes
and you from a new generation, but you know it's
a talk show.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
You don't understan. Yeah, she was like, it's housewives and.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Mechanics, and I was like that was dead on because
she clearly understand.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I don't know, though, is modern modern talk shows housewives
and mechanics. I don't. She's describing an audience that sounds
like it's out of the seventh.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Maybe she took it too far, but I don't think
she's wrong because it's not the most advanced, you know
that I audience.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I mean, oh, you only need to look at like
Jimmy Fallon. It's lowbrow, and even Jimmy Kimel it's low brow, right,
So I get it. I just think I think there's
still juice in it, and I'm interested to see where
it's going. I'm trying to think, Oh, you wanted to
talk about.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
I'm sorry, but I can't stand Jimmy and Kayla. I
cannot stand those two characters.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I'm fine with them when they're two minutes an episode,
but when you have extended five minute scenes in that
off as, I'm like, this is not what I'm tuning.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
The whole thing about the phone, you know, not answering
the phone or hanging out on No, I'm sorry in
your position with your job in Hollywood, absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I mean they tried to explain that last year. Her
father's really powerful and well connected, but I mean, I
get it. I think those scenes are excruciating to sit through. There.
It's a bunch of people who who are convinced that
they're really funny, and I'm just like, none of you
are as funny as you seem to. And I know
meganstall Her is like this beloved you know, social media comedian.
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She does you but and she can be very very funny,
exactly very good in that Milia, But when you give
her a script and a character to play, it's I
need a bit more than than your social media character.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Well that's the problem right there. It's the creative people
here are thinking that, oh, this is funny. I'm just
going to hire my friend to to play this funny
character that we, you know, come across all the time
in offices like that, but it doesn't work for a show.
I'm sorry, it doesn't. And now they hire another one
awkward person.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, so you have all these millennial comedians and yeah,
I'm fine, but okay, I just I don't think anything
going on in that office has anyan. I'm just not
interested in any of it. It's sort of like, what
is it? Is it carl the guy who works for her,
who yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I said that the Marcus Marcus carl is his room name.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, Carlos is real. I always get them Mark. I
had to go look up Hannah Einmbinder's character's name because
it's Ava. I could not remember.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I Actually they finally gave him great lines like well, no.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
His his scene with her was great, but his his
arc has been pointless. I have just not been interested
in that guy's art at all. It has dragged out
far too long, and I don't know if they're going
to keep doing it. I don't know how much he's
in the story going forward, but I have a feeling
he's not being written out. He's going to be made
a producer of the show or something, which fine as
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long as he's integrated into the store. I don't hate
the actor and the or even the character. It's just
that they never had an arc for him. His arc was,
you know, I can't get Debora to take a meeting.
I can't get Debora to do what I want her
to do. And the story is about her comedy career,
so the whole point is how her QBC career is ending.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I think they have too many cute characters, like the
Mark guy, the other assistant. Yeah, I mean, Marcus's rude
named God. We're getting hold of them because you're Damien Demien,
Damien Damien.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, another one another, just like the hell Yeah. I mean,
who behaves like that? You'd be fired.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I mean, I don't know. This show is not a documentary,
so I don't care about that. I do think as
long as they have something to contribute, and I do
think Marcus if he if they were to make him
a producer or something on a TV show, then that
would make more sense. But that's not how they're writing him.
They're writing him like he really wants to get the
hell away from us. So if they're writing him off
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the show. I think it's a good idea because I
actually think it's great. They have not found a use
for that, and they were bringing in like his mom
and his aunt and trying, and I'm just like, why
are we following these characters? They have nothing to do
with this.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
What else? Yeah, I think I'm I'm gonna keep like,
we'll probably check back in on next week's podcast and
finish it out.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I'll watch it. Yeah, they're both amazing.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I'm not down on it at all. I Like I said,
that first episode was rough and I was like, is
this what it's going to be? And then by the
second episode, it's like, oh no, they're they know what
they're doing, and I feel like they've earned that. The
writers have earned that trust. Don't want to do the
Kala and Jimmy's stuff, but fine if they if they
keep them to five minutes an episode, then I'll live
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through it. We done with that. Yeah, all right, let's
take a short break and we'll come back and we'll
talk about the studio. We're back, and we promised y'all
on our site that we were going to have something
to say about Seth Rogan's new series the studio on
Apple TV Plus. And it's taken us a long time
to get around to saying anything, because I'm gonna be
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honest here. I watched one episode and I I it
took me like more than one sitting to get through
that episode. Really, yes, And so I think you should
take everything I say with a grain of salt here,
and I'll just say that it didn't It just didn't
grab me. I think it's as you said before we
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turned on the mic, it looks amazing. It looks so
expensive Apple Apple. Yeah, I mean just the sets and
the cinematography and the camera work. They're doing a Mitz
camera tricks, like where they're following them in these goat
carts and then getting out of the cart and then
following the It's all very cinematic. The cast is across
the board fucking amazing. And I don't just mean amazing names.
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I mean they're all giving really good performances.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I am fatally chronically disinterested in the story, completely disinterested
in It's like not. This is why I never watched
like Succession, because things like watching business people fight. I'm like, no,
I'm sorry, I am so uninterested in this.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Go ahead, I think it's it's a very interesting story.
As you said, it looks amazing, it looks beautiful. I
mean the second episode is incredible because they're actually shooting
a movie. Yeah, it looks incredible. Remind me a lot
of the movie Babylon. The whole Hollyway thing would produce
as directors everyone kissing each other's ass, you know that
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kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
That's what it is.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
And I get it, and I think it's great. It's fascinating.
It's a horrible world.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I don't think it's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
That's I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I think I was watching the first episode and before
I got to the second, and I'm like, oh my god,
if you survived this kind of work, I mean you, I.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Mean they're all such crass.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, they're horrible people. They have to be.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Well, look, this is my problem is and I I'm
going to give it a chance, especially since the other
episodes are a lot shorter than the first one. I
will give it a chance.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
But I had a hard time.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I'm like, I'm supposed to give a shit about a
studio head, like and I'm supposed to feel bad for him, like, oh,
he's so stressed out as he's killing people's dreams and
promoting these crass ideas, Like I follow in the Hollywood
news to know just how badly studio heads are fucking
up Hollywood. It's why we had strikes last year.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I think that's what it is. Because we follow all
this stuff all the time. I feel like I'm just
watching one I read every day, which.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Is you know, and it's asking me to be sympathetic
to it.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
But if I guess, if you're interested in how it works,
you will be surprised.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
But that's how it is. You know, they have no more,
no nothing. I mean, they'll do whatever they need to
do to make money, to please the studio or the
you know, all that. That's pretty much it. Everyone is great,
everyone gives incredible performance. But at the same time, it's
a little over the top. And I that it's that
type of performance that actors know that they're performing their lives,
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so they go.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
It's also insider baseball, and it feels like it like
and it feels like every person who's playing a crass,
horrible person is basing it on someone they know, agent
or manager or studio head that they know.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
So the performance is a little bit over the top,
kind of believable in a way because that's how they
behave They drop the a F bomb all the time.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
They're yelling at each other. They don't care.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
You know, your boss is yelling at you, and it's
just part of the you know, the game, the work.
But and they're very shallow people, you know, shallow people,
you know, very self centered and.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Want to say, I'm not I don't need them to
be maral people. That's in fact, I thought the whole
thing with Martin Scorsese was actually really funny, funny because
they were so awful to him that, you know, and
they left him crying in the background. I don't mind
that it's about terrible people. I was just bored because
so much of it is from the perspective of this
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terrible guy who is so stressed out and once me
invited to Charlie Sterns boy and I I don't need
maral people at the center of the story. I really don't.
But I think I need the story to be funnier.
If you want me to watch this horrible guy stumble
through doing horrible things, I need more of like the
Martin Scorsese stuff and less of the oh my god,
am I going to get this promotion or not, Like
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I don't give a shit. If you get this promotion,
you're awful. It does get It's very insider, right it is.
It is like, if you don't know this what they're
talking about, is it even interesting to you? I don't know.
I mean, I don't know. I don't know how well
it's doing in terms of rating or anything.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Right, I don't understand. I don't know if the show
is doing well. But like I said, I watched it
and it was kind of interesting. But at the same time,
I'm like, yeah, I know all about this. I don't
feel like watching it. If you don't know how the
industry works, how horrible these people are, and how decisions
are made about movies and careers, then yeah, go watch it.
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Then you'll be horrified, right, and you understand why you
get to watch certain movies and you get you don't
get to watch other types of movie.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
You know what it is.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I know what it is. It's not that I the
show is asking me to feel sorry for a horrible person.
It's take me a while to get this. It was
actually the scene where Charlie's Tyrone asks them to leave
her party because they made Martin's crazy krass. This is
actually pretty funny, but I'm just like, you know, well,
first of all, I don't think a studio head would
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be treated that way. Charlie's Tyron would be kissing a
studio head's asp, but they don't want to show that
because that makes Sirley's Tarrene look terrible. So it's humanizing
people in order. I don't know, it just it. I'm
just not there yet. I need to watch more episodes,
but the basic premise of it, like this bumbling studio
head who's actually really kind of awful. I don't know,
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I feel like it needs something messing. And like I said,
I've only seen the first episode, so taken right, this
is just me discussing it.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
This is a modern review.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I think shows like these they try very hard to
justify why they to show and justify why characters behave
their way so horribly right, But the truth is they're
all horrible. They're all greedy. They all want a job
very badly, and they don't care what they do to
get it or to keep it. So that's how it works,
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and they make horrible decisions, and that's why we end
up with the movies that we have, with the TV
shows that we have, And you know.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
It the Kolid movie. Yeah, the Kolay, which is hysterical now,
I mean on Paris, so much of it.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
It really works.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It's just I haven't gotten there yet. I'll give it
more time.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
It's hysterical.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Like there's a scene with Catherine and and Set watching
a teaser and they and they watched the teaser about
the kool Aid and they love it. Oh my god,
this is incredible. I don't know what's about. You're going
to figure out what the movie's about, but I love
that to you. And it says so much about the
industatect kids that they really don't care about the movie.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
It's the whole concept that works and whatever.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, and then they had I mean, that's another exact
Katherine O'Hara really funny her first scene where she's screaming
at Seth Rogan and because she's the former studio head
who just got fired, and it's this really funny scene
where they're both really crass, terrible people. And then this
is what I mean like tonally, then there is this
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absolutely stunningly photographed scene of the two of them in
her backyard in Hollywood Hills, with all of la spread
out before them as they're talking about their love of
the industry, and I'm like, yeah, I don't know. I
like when they're screaming at each other and their hair
is a mess and they all look like crazy people.
But then you do these moments where you're like, oh,
it's a Hollywood wonder and I'm like, oh, I don't.
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I don't think you can have it both ways.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
What I got from that scene was like, these it
doesn't matter how much how much money these people have
or how much success they've achieved, they're still miserable. That's
why she has that incredible house because she's been working
for the studio forever, so she has the money to
buy that.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Insane just talk.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
About their love of the movies and blah blah blah blah.
And I'm like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know
if I actually buy that, but whatever.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, anyway, it is pretty. It's very pretty. It's a
pretty shall apple.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
TV shows that looks extremely expensive.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
It looks expensive. Everything looks amazing, and they're all great.
H So that's the story.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, all right, we're not going to take a break, right,
We're just gonna go right into the White Lotus. And
we're not revealing the White Lotus. We're talking about the
fact that the Castle of the White Loatus won't shut
the hell up. Let's start with Amy lou Wood because
that's the story that's kind of freshest in everyone's mind.
Amy lou Wood has been spending a lot of time
on social media and maybe should be getting off of
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TikTok because she's she's she's just getting too caught up
in it. I think it's interesting that the show it's
you know, season three, it exploded. Yeah, it's their highest
ratings ever, and so that it's all people can talk about.
And so the cast is doing a lot of post
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season press, which I don't think we really saw that
in previous seasons of the show, because it's it's an
an thought. They're not going to be back next season,
so their commitments are done, but they're all sort of
gunning for Emmy nominations because the show is so big.
So they're all out talking. So as you noted, like
the the three act you know, Carrie Cone and Michelle
(23:55):
mounahanon Leslie Bib. We're all talking about like their scenes
that were cut and everything. Carac Coon mentioned she had
a trans daughter and that was cut. That you have
the you know, the composer fighting with Mike White in
the press, and you have Jason Isaac shooting his mouth
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off and gossiping all the time about stuff that happened
on set. Amy lou would though, I just want to
bat around a bit because I don't think you and
I are fully in agreement on this one either. I
find the American media's and publics fascination with her teeth
to be kind of embarrassing as an American, Like, oh
(24:36):
my god, we sound really provincial when we do, Like, right,
are we really so shallow that we can't handle seeing
someone with perfect veneers that we have to make such
an issue of it. It's constantly brought up in every
article written about her, It's constantly brought up in the
interview words keep bringing it up to her.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Hu.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Now, to be fair, the show itself actually made a
point of her teeth, like they write at the introduction,
another character mentioned her teeth to her, so that kind
of well, it kind of opened up the door. But
I still think the fascination is a little embarrassing, and
she has mentioned that she isn't enjoying having it constantly
(25:15):
being brought up in interviews and that sort of thing.
I think she was fine with it in the beginning,
and then it got to a certain and this is
what I mean what I said to you, It's like,
this is what I mean about being a little embarrassed.
Like here you have this actress from the UK who
is getting her first real, big taste of American fame,
and this is what's happening to her. Is there and
(25:35):
as an actress from the UK, she she would have
no reason to expect that everyone was going to wind
up talking about her friggin teeth for months. That's the
part that I'm like, this is embarrassing. We are she's
back home telling all her actor friends what a bunch
of assholes the Americans are because they won't shut up
a better teeth. Now. This exploded this again this week
because Saturday Night Live did a White Lotus parody was
(25:58):
basically a Trump sketch. It was called the White Potus,
but they did a cutaway what to Cindy Sherman, dressed
as her character from the White Lotus and she had
very prominent buck teeth, you know, prosthetic buck teeth. And
Amy lou Would called this out on social media and
(26:19):
it became a big story, like it was the big
entertainment press story of the week. Eventually, well, this is
all coming from Amy lou Wood. Amy lou Wood said
that Saturday Night Live apologized to her, and then Amy
lou Wood said that Cindy Sherman sent her a basket
or something like that she photographed it and posted on
her for nobody. Well, so I guess it's true, but
it's weird that like Saturday Night Live isn't making statements
(26:42):
or Cindy Shermanman isn't making statements.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Apparently Saturday Night Live responded to some British newspaper or whatever,
magazine or whatever. That's what I'm my understanding. The thing
with this show is that, as you said, as we
talked about, it exploded, Yeah, to the point that I'm
on TikTok And this is why I like TikTok, because
you actually get to watch interviews with them and listen
to them say these things.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
It's not just what you read.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
And I noticed that with this season especially everyone was
doing interviews and talking about the show, talking about what
they did, what they did and what they ate their
breakfast and.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Jason. I was shocked.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Jason and I totally gossiping about everything and talking about
everyone and that people got together, people became friends, people
broke cop and and then.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
He got mad and he's like telling people not to
speculate about these things. It's like, bitch, shut your mouth,
you don't want to know about it.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
And everyone.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I mean, I was actually annoyed because I remember watching
Patrick Schwazenneger giving an interview and it was right after
the first episode when he's naked with his brother and
that whole thing, and then he goes and says, oh wait,
there's more. I'm like, dude, I didn't need to know that.
I mean, you just spoiled it. Now I know there's
more between you two.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
It's not a spoil come on now it is.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I think they they said too much. They talked.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I also was annoyed with the whole thing about telling
everyone that specific scenes that.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Were cut, uh.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
And that also because there's a scene where his sister
I forgot her name, comes back from somewhere and she's
all happy because apparently she had sex. But and you see,
and I remember watching that scene and she's coming back
like the next morning, like you know, she's just had sex,
and and the face her smile and I'm like, why
she smiling like that? We had no explanation for that
(28:33):
because the scene was cut. My point is that they
talked too much, They said too much, and the whole
thing with her teeth. I remember her talking about it
on her social media account saying, oh my god, doctors
are talking about my teeth on instant, on TikTok and
ha ha ha, And I'm like, this is not going
to end up.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Well, I know this is not good.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
This is social media. Everyone starts happy and ends with
people fighting. Every story on social media, it's true. So
I was like, this is not gonna end well, She's
probably And typically sometimes celebrities will say something, will laugh
at something, just to kind of protect themselves, you know
what I mean, Like they just don't want to talk
about it too much and they don't want to criticize
(29:17):
it too much so that it goes away.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
But it didn't go away.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Magazines, Vogue magazines, Ol magazine and all these magazines were
writing articles about it.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I posted them in.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
The lounge because at the time I thought it was
actually interesting. I was like, this is great because you know,
I actually posted a long time ago on Twitter when
I used to go to Twitter that watching TCM, like
everybody had yellow teeth, right, Like, I was like, oh
my god, look that's so cute. Everybody has yellow teeth
because now in Hollywood, because now in Hollywood everyone has
(29:49):
this right white teeth, nobody has yellow teeth anymore. So
my point is that when they started talking about her teeth,
so I was like, maybe this is good. This is
a good conversation. People are, you know, think fine finally
coming to the conclusion that it's okay to have different
type of teeth. Anyway, that was my point at the time.
But then things start getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
She started replying to everything on social media and got
(30:11):
very annoyed with with Saturday Night Live and here we are.
So I do feel that this specific, this crowd is
specifically the cast talked too much about this season and
about the show, and I don't know, maybe next time
they'll they'll be a little more careful about what they say.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
And you know, on an interview, I oh, back to Jason,
just one more minute. Uh.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
He said that all people broke up, people start stopped
talking to each other, and apparently, you know, Walton and.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Uh, Walton Goggins and Emily what is rumored that they
had an affair.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
They stopped following each other and and and yes, I
remember watching an interview on TikTok with Walton Goggins. The
first interview he gave, he literally said, oh, because they
were talking about their characters and their you know, love
story blah blah blah on the show and he said, oh, Aim,
and now got very very intimate. And I'm like, I
wouldn't use that word.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
He's married, by the way.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
I mean, I know, I mean the first reaction that
I had was like, that's a little odd to say.
I mean, maybe very close, I don't know, but intimate,
it's I don't know. It adds a layer of something
that maybe you don't want to talk about. Yeah, anyway,
and out there and follow each other and apparently they
don't talk to each other anymore or anyway stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Now, all right, we're gonna have to wrap this up
because they are back from lunch next door and we
can hear them, but we will be back in a
minute your time to talk about the Blue Origin space
flight and also why you should never be watching that
Harry Potter series that's coming out on HBO. We'll be
back in a minute, but for us it'll probably be
(31:56):
like four hours from now. Bye, we're back, And actually
it's only a few minutes later. It's very tentative, but
I don't think they're using the drills and stuff, so
we're going to try and and bang this one out. Okay,
so real quick, the Supreme Court in the UK just
(32:19):
ruled that transgender women are not women legally speaking, which
is fucking bullshit and it goes against fifty years, almost
a century of medical facts. But and so you know,
we have partially made our name writing about drag and
LGBTQ and transfigures. We wrote a book about them, So
(32:43):
you know, I said to Lorenzo this morning, I was like,
we got to put some time to speak out against
this and offer our support to our trans siblings. And
connecting this to uh, Harry Potter. JK Rowling, author of
Harry Potter, has spent the last ten years going after
trans people in the UK. It's been her big thing
(33:04):
for ten years now and she spent I don't know,
tens of millions of pounds. There's various reports on various
political groups in the UK in order to further this,
in order to get this case in front of the
UK Supreme Court, and she posted a picture of her
on her socials with a glass of champagne and the
(33:26):
cigars talking about money well spent, gloating about it.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
So that's the breath that pisses me off, and money
well spent, because it's all about money, money.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
That they're living in a world of billionaires who are
just brand damaged by their wealth and using it to
fuck up the lives of regular people.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
But anyway.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Then, and let's just add one more thing here. You
might think, well, it's just about trans and you know
she's a woman, she has the right now now she's
going after a say, sexual people, which means that these
people never stop. And they also win against the boxer
and the Olympics last year. It was a woman, but
she just looked masculine to them, and.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That's all that mattered. It's not about protecting women, it's
about protecting certain kinds of women. It's protecting a certain
image of womanhood. Walmart in Florida is now being sued
by this woman who got fired cisgender woman because she's
six feet four and a customer accused her of being
(34:31):
trans and that was good enough to have her fired. So,
you know, if it can't sway you that going after
transgender women is wrong on the face of it, just
understand that going after transgender women means they're going after
any woman who is not who doesn't look like a
fucking Barbie. Okay. They want tiny little women who can't
(34:54):
do sports and are under a certain height and under
a certain weight and have a certain facial struggle, and
they're going to go after every single one of them
who doesn't conform to that right.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
And unfortunately, I mean, it's a complicated issue where we
spend our money and how we spend our money because
sometimes you have to buy things right, but think about it,
you know, and if you can don't do it, well,
that's when I'm listen.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
I have some some.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Sympathy for, like if you're still buying if you're still
buying things on Amazon, or if you're still buying things
at Target, or if you're still buying things at Walmart,
you know, we live in a system that we didn't create,
and people got to buy their toilet paper. But Harry Potter,
now I'll judge anybody. Now, don't you dare put a
dime in that woman's pocket. Don't you dare? And don't
(35:45):
you expect us to either. I know there's a series
coming out next year and every single one of those
actors should be shunned, every single one of them.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
The thing is that it's already exploding. It's going to
be a huge success, the HBO series. I think about
because the way they're talking, the fans are talking about
it already. They're they're complaining about who they chose for
the characters and all that. So there's a lot of
talking going on. I don't know we'll see, uh. But money,
you know, it's money. Money talks and people go, she
(36:18):
has plenty of money, you know, and she's using it.
But it's it's a complicated issue. Uh. And I said,
sometimes it's hard to say no, I'm not going to
spend my money here because you know, this person with
this company is doing something that I'm not that I
don't agree with. But you know, sometimes you can so
(36:39):
think about it.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I was never a fan of the books, no, I
and uh, from very early on, I started disliking her
and her cause, so I have never supported her, and
I would know. I want, I want, I simply want anyway, And.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Speaking of millionaires spending their money and the rest of
us having to live in that world, and Blue Origin
spaceflight was earlier this week, and that was the one
with the all female spaceflight team and half of whom
were celebrities, including Gil King, yeah, Gail King and Katy
Perry and Lauren Sanchez, the wife of Jeff Bezos, who
(37:23):
is the billionaire that owns Blue Origin. I didn't have
too much of a problem. I mean, they sent William
Shatner up last year, a couple of years ago. These
are space tourism flights, like that's fine whatever, They're just
generating publicity for their burgeoning space tourism industry. And I,
(37:44):
you know, didn't have a lot of thoughts about it
when they didn't when they were sending people like William
Shatner up there. And I didn't actually give a shit
about this except Blue Origin and Lauren Sanchez. Just Crassley
Cresley tried to package this as some sort of wind
for feminism instead of some Barbie chr for a billionaire's
(38:07):
space tourism company and comparing them to female because they
did have a couple of female astronauts and scientists on board.
And I don't blame those women. I mean they didn't
get a chance to go into space. Of course they're
going to do this. Don't blame them for going at all.
But this isn't a win for feminism all. You know,
all the female scientists and astronauts all just lost their
(38:27):
jobs because the federal government's being gutted. And this wasn't
even about science. It was a there was no crew
on this plate. They were literally passengers right on this
cruelest bit and space for what for two seconds? Eleven minutes?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah, they go up and down.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Most of the time Katie Perry and Gail King were
taking selfies of themselves instead of looking at the fucking window,
which is apparently, why are you going into space and
taking selfies? It looked like they just went up, up
and down the elevator, this quick thing. All of which
is fine, Like listen, I don't care. Twenty years covering
the vapidity of celebrities and pr and None of that
(39:05):
bugged me, except then gel King opened her mouth and
she was very upset that people were dismissing this, and
she said, honestly, honestly, one of the dumbest things I've
ever heard of celebrities say ever, which was she said,
did you go up in space?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
You should go?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
You should try it before you I'm really refraining not
from using an epithet, and I don't mean a racial one.
I mean calling her the B word. But seriously, like, lady,
come on, this isn't about right knowledge or it's about privilege.
That's all that it is. And you trying to cast
(39:47):
this as this win for feminism or anything like, no right.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
I'm because I'm on social media at the time, on
the Internet, and I have a site. You know, I
get very annoyed with people when they go like what
about gadda? You know, I understand that there's room and
space to talk about anything, trust me, So I'm not
annoyed that that got the media.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Media.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
You know, everyone was talking about this thing because it happened.
People are talking about it. You read it if you
want it or not. It has you know, it should
have room for that too. It can't just be about
Gaza anyway. So my point is I was fine with
all that, but when they started complaining about it, and
then you know, and the way they presented the whole
thing with this, you know, like the designer Mons designed, the.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Months designed, that is so vapid. This is not about science,
this is not about progress. No, this is just money.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
If you really want to praise women for, you know,
praise the one who got stuck there for nine.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Months, right right right, and finally got that.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I released her news set list for her new tour,
and she said beforehand that we were going to put
the ass back in astronaut. Like this is not ladies,
go do your vapid thing. That's fine, like fine, whatever,
but don't do not cast it as some sort of
(41:10):
win for science or progress or feminism. And don't don't
start yelling at people. I totally agree you think it's
who clearly think it's pointless if.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
If you see it as it is just a fun right,
you just went up and down for eleven minutes, and
you know, and you landed somewhere and you took a
bunch of selfies and all right, that's it.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
That's that's the it.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
I feel like things like this are very cynically composed.
Well I don't feel like yeah very much so that
they are cynically constructed by these billionaires in these companies
as a way of pushing themselves against any any criticism. Like, yes,
this was vapid and silly and stupid and it was
(41:53):
all about privilege and money and fame. But how dare
you how dare you criticize a woman? How dare you
criticize these women? You know, this is a win for women, ki,
and it's you know, meanwhile, Jeff Bezos is making money
and months that just came out in w in Women's
Wear Daily that they got two million dollars worth of
publicity out of it. And like I said, Katie Perry's
(42:13):
tour list is now know it's bullshit, It's all bullshit.
And that's fine, promote the shit out of yourself. But
Gail King, come on, lady, like, no, this is no wait,
this is no.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Win for women, no for women, for women in general.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
I mean, and I'm not a woman, I can't you know,
say a hundred percent, but I my feeling is that
this is not a win for women.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
It's not a win. Oh and then all these well
that was the real And here's the thing that annoys
me is the only reason Gil King said something is
not because the public said stuff other celebrities were saying, right,
So like Olivia Munn made some statement about Olivia Wilde
made some statement about all the Olivia's came out of
the woodwork, Emily Radikowski made some sort of on their
social media. It's just dismissing it as a PR stunt.
(42:57):
So yeah, it was a bad idea all around. I
don't think it's not going to hurt Jeff Bezos at all.
But I honestly think Gael King came out of us
looking like shit. And Katie Perry, well, her image has
been in the toilet for the last year.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
And a very hard to you know, be up there.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
So I couldn't believe the pictures of her, Like, why
are you taking pictures of yourself? You are eleven minutes
and outer space. That's all the time you had. The
last thing I would take is a picture of myself.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Right, But people can't live without a picture anymore, or
a little celebrity. If you're not going to be photographed,
you know, oh yeah, well that's that's pretty much. And
I'm sure they were probably told that they take pictures
of yourselves, because you know that's the whatever what there's
not going to be. There was nobody else on the
plane with them, so you know, they had to take
their own picture.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
The whole thing is just so crass and whatever. But
I wouldn't have cared either way, except Gail King came
out and I told people to go up in space
before they criticized. And I'm my lady, that's the point.
None of us can go.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
It's not like we can just take a bus and
get there.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah, you've been Oprah's friend for a little bit too long, lady.
I think you're just living in a bubble.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
I know, I think.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
I don't know. That's it. It's a rather short one
this week, but we I feel like we need to
wrap this up before they start breaking through the wails
next door. Yeah, that's it. We'll be back next week.
We're going to talk about that John Ham series on
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, your friends and neighbors because you
started watching it. Yeah, I have not watched it. We'll
talk about it, but more on Hacks and I don't know.
(44:32):
We're not recapping the studio. But if I do catch
more episodes, I'll follow up my opinion.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
On yes and other things on TikTok.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
I promise yes, more TikTok time with Lorenzo. So we'll
be back next week with whatever cross of the rise
acrosses our desk. Until then, love you, take care of
your helves and mean it.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Buba Bye.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
A grand bank break me.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
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you're all doing well out there.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I'm been banging here.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, it's been a banging good time. And we are
literally recording this while.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
They're having lunch.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
The Brazilian work crew behind us is having lunch, so
we're hoping that they don't return to lunch all the podcast,
but they do. We're actually going to have to cut
like in the middle of talking because when I say loud,
you guys have no idea. Okay, all right, So we
have a bunch of things to talk about, and because
we're late getting this recording done, they're all a slightly
(01:13):
stale topics. But we were like, you know, we're going
to do it anyway. First out of the gate, let's
talk do a little bit of TV talk we have
you know, I mean I always do this where I
feel like I have to introduce the topics, and the
topics are all listed in the title of that, but
I come up with the title and we record this,
so I never know. Anyway, there you go, in case
(01:34):
you haven't read the title and you somehow stubbled into
this podcast. We're going to talk about hacks. We're going
to talk about the studio and uh, we're going to
talk about the Blue Origin spaceflight, and we're going to
talk about Oh, we're going to talk about a lot
of what weird white lotus stuff that people just won't
stop talking about it. So lots to talk about a
(01:54):
whole pod pirie of topics. So jumping into Hacks Hecks.
First two episodes dropped last week, and you know, we're
so late on this. By the time you're listening to it,
the third episode will probably have dropped. But we have thoughts. Yes,
as you might know if you've listened or paid any
attention to us over the years. We love this show.
We've always loved this show. I sense that Lorenzo was
(02:18):
not loving it as much as he did. Go ahead,
I think I.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Still like it and I'm still gonna watch it because
those two Jean Smart and Hannah Binder. I'm bender einm
Binder right. Anyway, They're both amazing and I will watch
the show because of them.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I was watching the two episodes of this season and
just pay attention to them, and I'm like, my god,
you two are so amazing. So they're great, but I
feel that the material has not moved on. They're kind
of of the same thing over and over again.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Sometimes I don't find this stuff believable. I think they're
I think Geen smart sometimes make moves or she makes
decisions and stuff that I was like, you know, a
woman in your power, in your experience, I don't think
you'd be doing what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
That's an interesting point for the laugh.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
For the laugh because it's it's funny. It's funny, so
she does it because it's funny for the audience to watch.
But at the same time, and when you think about it, like,
I don't know, I don't think so that's number one.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
All right. Let me jump in and say I kind
of don't agree because I when the part about you
saying that they're just not going anywhere with this, I
don't I feel like they actually have called this. We
have reached a culmination point with this season. They have
taken the story where it needed to go, which was
(03:42):
she has her She finally has her talk show kind
of I'mbinder's character is now her lead writer. They are
at They don't like each other anymore. They're basically mortal
enemies at this point, so it doesn't feel like they're
rehashing stuff. They've taken the story forward, and as from
my perspective, I think everything that's happening in the story
(04:06):
feels earned, like, Yes, this is where the story was going,
This was how it had to be. Even though they
came to love each other and respect each other, they
also learned some pretty awful lessons from each other. And
now they're in the manner of people who love each other,
they have the ability to tear chunks off each other
and to really really hurt each other. And that's that's
(04:28):
where we are at the start of the season. I
will say that at the beginning that first episode, I
actually did have trouble getting into it because I was like, Okay,
I get that their enemies now, but they are being
so over the top nasty to each other.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Right, unprofessional? Very Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I was like, I mean it's funny, funny, like the
panties thing where she where and I was like, no,
I'm sorry. I realized that, oh she's a baby boomer
and they don't understand, you know whatever consent and but no,
I'm sorry, No, seventy year old woman. I don't care
how crash she is or how angry she is. That's
(05:07):
she wasn't believable.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Now she wants this so badly. I mean, she wouldn't
be doing shit like that. No, I'm sorry, No, absolutely not.
So that's the part that I was like, no, it's cute, funny.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
But what I did like, and I will say that
I'm sorry, no, go ahead. What I did like was
that I don't know where the season's going. But they
dispensed with that nonsense by the end of the second
episode where what's her Face's character came in that had
the studio and basically called them both out on it.
Because that was the thing. I was like, how long
are we going to see this going on? Because they
(05:41):
would both be fired for acting this way like this
is not believable. And then we had the boss come
in and basically tear them apart, and I was like,
all right, So the writing is still smart. We needed
to get that out of the way so that we
could progress forward and watch these two women, who now
hate each other try and create this masterpiece together. We
(06:04):
can't have them, you know, tearing chunks off each other
all season long. So they got it out of the
way in the first two episodes, and I actually really
liked that. I like where those characters are right now.
I think having them hate each other is a very
interesting dynamic. And even like that scene outside this is
(06:24):
where they earned me back, that scene outside the comedy
club where they got into the screaming match and all
the people had their phones up and everything. What I
loved about that scene was and again this when they
get her right, it feels correct or I was like,
this is how a seven year old woman who's angry
would respond, where she was smart enough to know I
(06:47):
can't keep screaming at you, so I'm going to be
honest with you. And she basically said, I don't think
you're right for this job because I don't think you understood.
Like it was so honest and direct an adult that
I was like, Yes, that's what I need. Less of
the panty stuff, even though it's ha ha funny. I
was like, that's I don't really find that all that
believable anyway.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah, that's very much. I like how they act. I
think they're amazing, right. I can understand why they sort
of they were finding all the time they kind of
hate each other, but they have to put up at
each other kind of thing because they need each other.
I get all that, but it just became the same
and some of Deborah's I don't know behavior just didn't
(07:29):
fit the character. Oh, it didn't fit someone with that
much experience and so much on the line.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I agree up to a point, like what she was
pulling in the office, I was like, I don't really
think she would be doing that. I don't think she
would be putting herself in a position where that stuff could.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Blow up, right, you know exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
But I did love the scene with the press conference
because one of the things up until that point, I
was like, so, is is she just gonna right just
run rough shot over her? I'mbinder's character, and then she's
gonna be fine, because the whole point to this show
was that they needed each other, so you know what,
So when they had the press conference, I was like, oh, okay, Yeah,
(08:11):
Deborah Unbound is still she needs someone to reel her in,
and when no one's reeling her in, she and I
actually do think like Deborah. They're showing the darker side
of Deber again. And if you go back to the
first few episodes of the show, she was awful. She
was really awful to her, and then you know, they
humanized her and they softened her and the two of
them came to love each other. So we haven't seen
(08:33):
the really dark side of Deborah in a while. But
I like that she has that darkness, and I feel
that when the writing's sharp and when Jeane Smart's really
hitting it, which she is hitting it most of the time,
I think it imbused the character with this sort of
exhausted second wave feminist anger where she's like, I don't
(08:55):
you know, like the anger that she had about being
asked about her age and being asked about her woman
and being a woman in this role and everything. Yeah,
that felt very true to her age and her generation
and her experiences, like she would not want to have
to explain herself at the stage in her career and
she would react very badly to it. So that sort
(09:16):
of writing I really like. I like when Devraa's you know,
a little bit of an asswer.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
No. I think for the most part they get it right.
Like the part that I loved it is when they're
fighting and Debra is making the argument that you know,
you're great, you knew you have all these new jokes
and you from a new generation, but you know it's
a talk show.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
You don't understan. Yeah, she was like, it's housewives and.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Mechanics, and I was like that was dead on because
she clearly understand.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I don't know, though, is modern modern talk shows housewives
and mechanics. I don't. She's describing an audience that sounds
like it's out of the seventh.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Maybe she took it too far, but I don't think
she's wrong because it's not the most advanced, you know
that I audience.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I mean, oh, you only need to look at like
Jimmy Fallon. It's lowbrow, and even Jimmy Kimel it's low brow, right,
So I get it. I just think I think there's
still juice in it, and I'm interested to see where
it's going. I'm trying to think, Oh, you wanted to
talk about.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
I'm sorry, but I can't stand Jimmy and Kayla. I
cannot stand those two characters.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I'm fine with them when they're two minutes an episode,
but when you have extended five minute scenes in that
off as, I'm like, this is not what I'm tuning.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
The whole thing about the phone, you know, not answering
the phone or hanging out on No, I'm sorry in
your position with your job in Hollywood, absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I mean they tried to explain that last year. Her
father's really powerful and well connected, but I mean, I
get it. I think those scenes are excruciating to sit through. There.
It's a bunch of people who who are convinced that
they're really funny, and I'm just like, none of you
are as funny as you seem to. And I know
meganstall Her is like this beloved you know, social media comedian.
(11:04):
She does you but and she can be very very funny,
exactly very good in that Milia, But when you give
her a script and a character to play, it's I
need a bit more than than your social media character.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Well that's the problem right there. It's the creative people
here are thinking that, oh, this is funny. I'm just
going to hire my friend to to play this funny
character that we, you know, come across all the time
in offices like that, but it doesn't work for a show.
I'm sorry, it doesn't. And now they hire another one
awkward person.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, so you have all these millennial comedians and yeah,
I'm fine, but okay, I just I don't think anything
going on in that office has anyan. I'm just not
interested in any of it. It's sort of like, what
is it? Is it carl the guy who works for her,
who yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I said that the Marcus Marcus carl is his room name.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, Carlos is real. I always get them Mark. I
had to go look up Hannah Einmbinder's character's name because
it's Ava. I could not remember.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I Actually they finally gave him great lines like well, no.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
His his scene with her was great, but his his
arc has been pointless. I have just not been interested
in that guy's art at all. It has dragged out
far too long, and I don't know if they're going
to keep doing it. I don't know how much he's
in the story going forward, but I have a feeling
he's not being written out. He's going to be made
a producer of the show or something, which fine as
(12:28):
long as he's integrated into the store. I don't hate
the actor and the or even the character. It's just
that they never had an arc for him. His arc was,
you know, I can't get Debora to take a meeting.
I can't get Debora to do what I want her
to do. And the story is about her comedy career,
so the whole point is how her QBC career is ending.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I think they have too many cute characters, like the
Mark guy, the other assistant. Yeah, I mean, Marcus's rude
named God. We're getting hold of them because you're Damien Demien,
Damien Damien.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, another one another, just like the hell Yeah. I mean,
who behaves like that? You'd be fired.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I mean, I don't know. This show is not a documentary,
so I don't care about that. I do think as
long as they have something to contribute, and I do
think Marcus if he if they were to make him
a producer or something on a TV show, then that
would make more sense. But that's not how they're writing him.
They're writing him like he really wants to get the
hell away from us. So if they're writing him off
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the show. I think it's a good idea because I
actually think it's great. They have not found a use
for that, and they were bringing in like his mom
and his aunt and trying, and I'm just like, why
are we following these characters? They have nothing to do
with this.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
What else? Yeah, I think I'm I'm gonna keep like,
we'll probably check back in on next week's podcast and
finish it out.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I'll watch it. Yeah, they're both amazing.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I'm not down on it at all. I Like I said,
that first episode was rough and I was like, is
this what it's going to be? And then by the
second episode, it's like, oh no, they're they know what
they're doing, and I feel like they've earned that. The
writers have earned that trust. Don't want to do the
Kala and Jimmy's stuff, but fine if they if they
keep them to five minutes an episode, then I'll live
(14:09):
through it. We done with that. Yeah, all right, let's
take a short break and we'll come back and we'll
talk about the studio. We're back, and we promised y'all
on our site that we were going to have something
to say about Seth Rogan's new series the studio on
Apple TV Plus. And it's taken us a long time
to get around to saying anything, because I'm gonna be
(14:31):
honest here. I watched one episode and I I it
took me like more than one sitting to get through
that episode. Really, yes, And so I think you should
take everything I say with a grain of salt here,
and I'll just say that it didn't It just didn't
grab me. I think it's as you said before we
(14:51):
turned on the mic, it looks amazing. It looks so
expensive Apple Apple. Yeah, I mean just the sets and
the cinematography and the camera work. They're doing a Mitz
camera tricks, like where they're following them in these goat
carts and then getting out of the cart and then
following the It's all very cinematic. The cast is across
the board fucking amazing. And I don't just mean amazing names.
(15:13):
I mean they're all giving really good performances.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I am fatally chronically disinterested in the story, completely disinterested
in It's like not. This is why I never watched
like Succession, because things like watching business people fight. I'm like, no,
I'm sorry, I am so uninterested in this.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Go ahead, I think it's it's a very interesting story.
As you said, it looks amazing, it looks beautiful. I
mean the second episode is incredible because they're actually shooting
a movie. Yeah, it looks incredible. Remind me a lot
of the movie Babylon. The whole Hollyway thing would produce
as directors everyone kissing each other's ass, you know that
(15:53):
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
That's what it is.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
And I get it, and I think it's great. It's fascinating.
It's a horrible world.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I don't think it's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
That's I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I think I was watching the first episode and before
I got to the second, and I'm like, oh my god,
if you survived this kind of work, I mean you, I.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Mean they're all such crass.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, they're horrible people. They have to be.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Well, look, this is my problem is and I I'm
going to give it a chance, especially since the other
episodes are a lot shorter than the first one. I
will give it a chance.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
But I had a hard time.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I'm like, I'm supposed to give a shit about a
studio head, like and I'm supposed to feel bad for him, like, oh,
he's so stressed out as he's killing people's dreams and
promoting these crass ideas, Like I follow in the Hollywood
news to know just how badly studio heads are fucking
up Hollywood. It's why we had strikes last year.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I think that's what it is. Because we follow all
this stuff all the time. I feel like I'm just
watching one I read every day, which.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Is you know, and it's asking me to be sympathetic
to it.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
But if I guess, if you're interested in how it works,
you will be surprised.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
But that's how it is. You know, they have no more,
no nothing. I mean, they'll do whatever they need to
do to make money, to please the studio or the
you know, all that. That's pretty much it. Everyone is great,
everyone gives incredible performance. But at the same time, it's
a little over the top. And I that it's that
type of performance that actors know that they're performing their lives,
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so they go.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
It's also insider baseball, and it feels like it like
and it feels like every person who's playing a crass,
horrible person is basing it on someone they know, agent
or manager or studio head that they know.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
So the performance is a little bit over the top,
kind of believable in a way because that's how they
behave They drop the a F bomb all the time.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
They're yelling at each other. They don't care.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
You know, your boss is yelling at you, and it's
just part of the you know, the game, the work.
But and they're very shallow people, you know, shallow people,
you know, very self centered and.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Want to say, I'm not I don't need them to
be maral people. That's in fact, I thought the whole
thing with Martin Scorsese was actually really funny, funny because
they were so awful to him that, you know, and
they left him crying in the background. I don't mind
that it's about terrible people. I was just bored because
so much of it is from the perspective of this
(18:27):
terrible guy who is so stressed out and once me
invited to Charlie Sterns boy and I I don't need
maral people at the center of the story. I really don't.
But I think I need the story to be funnier.
If you want me to watch this horrible guy stumble
through doing horrible things, I need more of like the
Martin Scorsese stuff and less of the oh my god,
am I going to get this promotion or not, Like
(18:48):
I don't give a shit. If you get this promotion,
you're awful. It does get It's very insider, right it is.
It is like, if you don't know this what they're
talking about, is it even interesting to you? I don't know.
I mean, I don't know. I don't know how well
it's doing in terms of rating or anything.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Right, I don't understand. I don't know if the show
is doing well. But like I said, I watched it
and it was kind of interesting. But at the same time,
I'm like, yeah, I know all about this. I don't
feel like watching it. If you don't know how the
industry works, how horrible these people are, and how decisions
are made about movies and careers, then yeah, go watch it.
(19:27):
Then you'll be horrified, right, and you understand why you
get to watch certain movies and you get you don't
get to watch other types of movie.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
You know what it is.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I know what it is. It's not that I the
show is asking me to feel sorry for a horrible person.
It's take me a while to get this. It was
actually the scene where Charlie's Tyrone asks them to leave
her party because they made Martin's crazy krass. This is
actually pretty funny, but I'm just like, you know, well,
first of all, I don't think a studio head would
(19:56):
be treated that way. Charlie's Tyron would be kissing a
studio head's asp, but they don't want to show that
because that makes Sirley's Tarrene look terrible. So it's humanizing
people in order. I don't know, it just it. I'm
just not there yet. I need to watch more episodes,
but the basic premise of it, like this bumbling studio
head who's actually really kind of awful. I don't know,
(20:19):
I feel like it needs something messing. And like I said,
I've only seen the first episode, so taken right, this
is just me discussing it.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
This is a modern review.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I think shows like these they try very hard to
justify why they to show and justify why characters behave
their way so horribly right, But the truth is they're
all horrible. They're all greedy. They all want a job
very badly, and they don't care what they do to
get it or to keep it. So that's how it works,
(20:47):
and they make horrible decisions, and that's why we end
up with the movies that we have, with the TV
shows that we have, And you know.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
It the Kolid movie. Yeah, the Kolay, which is hysterical now,
I mean on Paris, so much of it.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
It really works.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It's just I haven't gotten there yet. I'll give it
more time.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
It's hysterical.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Like there's a scene with Catherine and and Set watching
a teaser and they and they watched the teaser about
the kool Aid and they love it. Oh my god,
this is incredible. I don't know what's about. You're going
to figure out what the movie's about, but I love
that to you. And it says so much about the
industatect kids that they really don't care about the movie.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
It's the whole concept that works and whatever.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, and then they had I mean, that's another exact
Katherine O'Hara really funny her first scene where she's screaming
at Seth Rogan and because she's the former studio head
who just got fired, and it's this really funny scene
where they're both really crass, terrible people. And then this
is what I mean like tonally, then there is this
(21:49):
absolutely stunningly photographed scene of the two of them in
her backyard in Hollywood Hills, with all of la spread
out before them as they're talking about their love of
the industry, and I'm like, yeah, I don't know. I
like when they're screaming at each other and their hair
is a mess and they all look like crazy people.
But then you do these moments where you're like, oh,
it's a Hollywood wonder and I'm like, oh, I don't.
(22:12):
I don't think you can have it both ways.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
What I got from that scene was like, these it
doesn't matter how much how much money these people have
or how much success they've achieved, they're still miserable. That's
why she has that incredible house because she's been working
for the studio forever, so she has the money to
buy that.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Insane just talk.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
About their love of the movies and blah blah blah blah.
And I'm like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know
if I actually buy that, but whatever.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, anyway, it is pretty. It's very pretty. It's a
pretty shall apple.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
TV shows that looks extremely expensive.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
It looks expensive. Everything looks amazing, and they're all great.
H So that's the story.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, all right, we're not going to take a break, right,
We're just gonna go right into the White Lotus. And
we're not revealing the White Lotus. We're talking about the
fact that the Castle of the White Loatus won't shut
the hell up. Let's start with Amy lou Wood because
that's the story that's kind of freshest in everyone's mind.
Amy lou Wood has been spending a lot of time
on social media and maybe should be getting off of
(23:13):
TikTok because she's she's she's just getting too caught up
in it. I think it's interesting that the show it's
you know, season three, it exploded. Yeah, it's their highest
ratings ever, and so that it's all people can talk about.
And so the cast is doing a lot of post
(23:35):
season press, which I don't think we really saw that
in previous seasons of the show, because it's it's an
an thought. They're not going to be back next season,
so their commitments are done, but they're all sort of
gunning for Emmy nominations because the show is so big.
So they're all out talking. So as you noted, like
the the three act you know, Carrie Cone and Michelle
(23:55):
mounahanon Leslie Bib. We're all talking about like their scenes
that were cut and everything. Carac Coon mentioned she had
a trans daughter and that was cut. That you have
the you know, the composer fighting with Mike White in
the press, and you have Jason Isaac shooting his mouth
(24:15):
off and gossiping all the time about stuff that happened
on set. Amy lou would though, I just want to
bat around a bit because I don't think you and
I are fully in agreement on this one either. I
find the American media's and publics fascination with her teeth
to be kind of embarrassing as an American, Like, oh
(24:36):
my god, we sound really provincial when we do, Like, right,
are we really so shallow that we can't handle seeing
someone with perfect veneers that we have to make such
an issue of it. It's constantly brought up in every
article written about her, It's constantly brought up in the
interview words keep bringing it up to her.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Hu.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Now, to be fair, the show itself actually made a
point of her teeth, like they write at the introduction,
another character mentioned her teeth to her, so that kind
of well, it kind of opened up the door. But
I still think the fascination is a little embarrassing, and
she has mentioned that she isn't enjoying having it constantly
(25:15):
being brought up in interviews and that sort of thing.
I think she was fine with it in the beginning,
and then it got to a certain and this is
what I mean what I said to you, It's like,
this is what I mean about being a little embarrassed.
Like here you have this actress from the UK who
is getting her first real, big taste of American fame,
and this is what's happening to her. Is there and
(25:35):
as an actress from the UK, she she would have
no reason to expect that everyone was going to wind
up talking about her friggin teeth for months. That's the
part that I'm like, this is embarrassing. We are she's
back home telling all her actor friends what a bunch
of assholes the Americans are because they won't shut up
a better teeth. Now. This exploded this again this week
because Saturday Night Live did a White Lotus parody was
(25:58):
basically a Trump sketch. It was called the White Potus,
but they did a cutaway what to Cindy Sherman, dressed
as her character from the White Lotus and she had
very prominent buck teeth, you know, prosthetic buck teeth. And
Amy lou Would called this out on social media and
(26:19):
it became a big story, like it was the big
entertainment press story of the week. Eventually, well, this is
all coming from Amy lou Wood. Amy lou Wood said
that Saturday Night Live apologized to her, and then Amy
lou Wood said that Cindy Sherman sent her a basket
or something like that she photographed it and posted on
her for nobody. Well, so I guess it's true, but
it's weird that like Saturday Night Live isn't making statements
(26:42):
or Cindy Shermanman isn't making statements.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Apparently Saturday Night Live responded to some British newspaper or whatever,
magazine or whatever. That's what I'm my understanding. The thing
with this show is that, as you said, as we
talked about, it exploded, Yeah, to the point that I'm
on TikTok And this is why I like TikTok, because
you actually get to watch interviews with them and listen
to them say these things.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
It's not just what you read.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
And I noticed that with this season especially everyone was
doing interviews and talking about the show, talking about what
they did, what they did and what they ate their
breakfast and.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Jason. I was shocked.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Jason and I totally gossiping about everything and talking about
everyone and that people got together, people became friends, people
broke cop and and then.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
He got mad and he's like telling people not to
speculate about these things. It's like, bitch, shut your mouth,
you don't want to know about it.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
And everyone.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I mean, I was actually annoyed because I remember watching
Patrick Schwazenneger giving an interview and it was right after
the first episode when he's naked with his brother and
that whole thing, and then he goes and says, oh wait,
there's more. I'm like, dude, I didn't need to know that.
I mean, you just spoiled it. Now I know there's
more between you two.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
It's not a spoil come on now it is.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I think they they said too much. They talked.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I also was annoyed with the whole thing about telling
everyone that specific scenes that.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Were cut, uh.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
And that also because there's a scene where his sister
I forgot her name, comes back from somewhere and she's
all happy because apparently she had sex. But and you see,
and I remember watching that scene and she's coming back
like the next morning, like you know, she's just had sex,
and and the face her smile and I'm like, why
she smiling like that? We had no explanation for that
(28:33):
because the scene was cut. My point is that they
talked too much, They said too much, and the whole
thing with her teeth. I remember her talking about it
on her social media account saying, oh my god, doctors
are talking about my teeth on instant, on TikTok and
ha ha ha, And I'm like, this is not going
to end up.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Well, I know this is not good.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
This is social media. Everyone starts happy and ends with
people fighting. Every story on social media, it's true. So
I was like, this is not gonna end well, She's
probably And typically sometimes celebrities will say something, will laugh
at something, just to kind of protect themselves, you know
what I mean, Like they just don't want to talk
about it too much and they don't want to criticize
(29:17):
it too much so that it goes away.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
But it didn't go away.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Magazines, Vogue magazines, Ol magazine and all these magazines were
writing articles about it.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I posted them in.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
The lounge because at the time I thought it was
actually interesting. I was like, this is great because you know,
I actually posted a long time ago on Twitter when
I used to go to Twitter that watching TCM, like
everybody had yellow teeth, right, Like, I was like, oh
my god, look that's so cute. Everybody has yellow teeth
because now in Hollywood, because now in Hollywood everyone has
(29:49):
this right white teeth, nobody has yellow teeth anymore. So
my point is that when they started talking about her teeth,
so I was like, maybe this is good. This is
a good conversation. People are, you know, think fine finally
coming to the conclusion that it's okay to have different
type of teeth. Anyway, that was my point at the time.
But then things start getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
She started replying to everything on social media and got
(30:11):
very annoyed with with Saturday Night Live and here we are.
So I do feel that this specific, this crowd is
specifically the cast talked too much about this season and
about the show, and I don't know, maybe next time
they'll they'll be a little more careful about what they say.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
And you know, on an interview, I oh, back to Jason,
just one more minute. Uh.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
He said that all people broke up, people start stopped
talking to each other, and apparently, you know, Walton and.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Uh, Walton Goggins and Emily what is rumored that they
had an affair.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
They stopped following each other and and and yes, I
remember watching an interview on TikTok with Walton Goggins. The
first interview he gave, he literally said, oh, because they
were talking about their characters and their you know, love
story blah blah blah on the show and he said, oh, Aim,
and now got very very intimate. And I'm like, I
wouldn't use that word.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
He's married, by the way.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
I mean, I know, I mean the first reaction that
I had was like, that's a little odd to say.
I mean, maybe very close, I don't know, but intimate,
it's I don't know. It adds a layer of something
that maybe you don't want to talk about. Yeah, anyway,
and out there and follow each other and apparently they
don't talk to each other anymore or anyway stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Now, all right, we're gonna have to wrap this up
because they are back from lunch next door and we
can hear them, but we will be back in a
minute your time to talk about the Blue Origin space
flight and also why you should never be watching that
Harry Potter series that's coming out on HBO. We'll be
back in a minute, but for us it'll probably be
(31:56):
like four hours from now. Bye, we're back, And actually
it's only a few minutes later. It's very tentative, but
I don't think they're using the drills and stuff, so
we're going to try and and bang this one out. Okay,
so real quick, the Supreme Court in the UK just
(32:19):
ruled that transgender women are not women legally speaking, which
is fucking bullshit and it goes against fifty years, almost
a century of medical facts. But and so you know,
we have partially made our name writing about drag and
LGBTQ and transfigures. We wrote a book about them, So
(32:43):
you know, I said to Lorenzo this morning, I was like,
we got to put some time to speak out against
this and offer our support to our trans siblings. And
connecting this to uh, Harry Potter. JK Rowling, author of
Harry Potter, has spent the last ten years going after
trans people in the UK. It's been her big thing
(33:04):
for ten years now and she spent I don't know,
tens of millions of pounds. There's various reports on various
political groups in the UK in order to further this,
in order to get this case in front of the
UK Supreme Court, and she posted a picture of her
on her socials with a glass of champagne and the
(33:26):
cigars talking about money well spent, gloating about it.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
So that's the breath that pisses me off, and money
well spent, because it's all about money, money.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
That they're living in a world of billionaires who are
just brand damaged by their wealth and using it to
fuck up the lives of regular people.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
But anyway.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Then, and let's just add one more thing here. You
might think, well, it's just about trans and you know
she's a woman, she has the right now now she's
going after a say, sexual people, which means that these
people never stop. And they also win against the boxer
and the Olympics last year. It was a woman, but
she just looked masculine to them, and.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That's all that mattered. It's not about protecting women, it's
about protecting certain kinds of women. It's protecting a certain
image of womanhood. Walmart in Florida is now being sued
by this woman who got fired cisgender woman because she's
six feet four and a customer accused her of being
(34:31):
trans and that was good enough to have her fired. So,
you know, if it can't sway you that going after
transgender women is wrong on the face of it, just
understand that going after transgender women means they're going after
any woman who is not who doesn't look like a
fucking Barbie. Okay. They want tiny little women who can't
(34:54):
do sports and are under a certain height and under
a certain weight and have a certain facial struggle, and
they're going to go after every single one of them
who doesn't conform to that right.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
And unfortunately, I mean, it's a complicated issue where we
spend our money and how we spend our money because
sometimes you have to buy things right, but think about it,
you know, and if you can don't do it, well,
that's when I'm listen.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
I have some some.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Sympathy for, like if you're still buying if you're still
buying things on Amazon, or if you're still buying things
at Target, or if you're still buying things at Walmart,
you know, we live in a system that we didn't create,
and people got to buy their toilet paper. But Harry Potter,
now I'll judge anybody. Now, don't you dare put a
dime in that woman's pocket. Don't you dare? And don't
(35:45):
you expect us to either. I know there's a series
coming out next year and every single one of those
actors should be shunned, every single one of them.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
The thing is that it's already exploding. It's going to
be a huge success, the HBO series. I think about
because the way they're talking, the fans are talking about
it already. They're they're complaining about who they chose for
the characters and all that. So there's a lot of
talking going on. I don't know we'll see, uh. But money,
you know, it's money. Money talks and people go, she
(36:18):
has plenty of money, you know, and she's using it.
But it's it's a complicated issue. Uh. And I said,
sometimes it's hard to say no, I'm not going to
spend my money here because you know, this person with
this company is doing something that I'm not that I
don't agree with. But you know, sometimes you can so
(36:39):
think about it.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I was never a fan of the books, no, I
and uh, from very early on, I started disliking her
and her cause, so I have never supported her, and
I would know. I want, I want, I simply want anyway, And.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Speaking of millionaires spending their money and the rest of
us having to live in that world, and Blue Origin
spaceflight was earlier this week, and that was the one
with the all female spaceflight team and half of whom
were celebrities, including Gil King, yeah, Gail King and Katy
Perry and Lauren Sanchez, the wife of Jeff Bezos, who
(37:23):
is the billionaire that owns Blue Origin. I didn't have
too much of a problem. I mean, they sent William
Shatner up last year, a couple of years ago. These
are space tourism flights, like that's fine whatever, They're just
generating publicity for their burgeoning space tourism industry. And I,
(37:44):
you know, didn't have a lot of thoughts about it
when they didn't when they were sending people like William
Shatner up there. And I didn't actually give a shit
about this except Blue Origin and Lauren Sanchez. Just Crassley
Cresley tried to package this as some sort of wind
for feminism instead of some Barbie chr for a billionaire's
(38:07):
space tourism company and comparing them to female because they
did have a couple of female astronauts and scientists on board.
And I don't blame those women. I mean they didn't
get a chance to go into space. Of course they're
going to do this. Don't blame them for going at all.
But this isn't a win for feminism all. You know,
all the female scientists and astronauts all just lost their
(38:27):
jobs because the federal government's being gutted. And this wasn't
even about science. It was a there was no crew
on this plate. They were literally passengers right on this
cruelest bit and space for what for two seconds? Eleven minutes?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah, they go up and down.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Most of the time Katie Perry and Gail King were
taking selfies of themselves instead of looking at the fucking window,
which is apparently, why are you going into space and
taking selfies? It looked like they just went up, up
and down the elevator, this quick thing. All of which
is fine, Like listen, I don't care. Twenty years covering
the vapidity of celebrities and pr and None of that
(39:05):
bugged me, except then gel King opened her mouth and
she was very upset that people were dismissing this, and
she said, honestly, honestly, one of the dumbest things I've
ever heard of celebrities say ever, which was she said,
did you go up in space?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
You should go?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
You should try it before you I'm really refraining not
from using an epithet, and I don't mean a racial one.
I mean calling her the B word. But seriously, like, lady,
come on, this isn't about right knowledge or it's about privilege.
That's all that it is. And you trying to cast
(39:47):
this as this win for feminism or anything like, no right.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
I'm because I'm on social media at the time, on
the Internet, and I have a site. You know, I
get very annoyed with people when they go like what
about gadda? You know, I understand that there's room and
space to talk about anything, trust me, So I'm not
annoyed that that got the media.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Media.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
You know, everyone was talking about this thing because it happened.
People are talking about it. You read it if you
want it or not. It has you know, it should
have room for that too. It can't just be about
Gaza anyway. So my point is I was fine with
all that, but when they started complaining about it, and
then you know, and the way they presented the whole
thing with this, you know, like the designer Mons designed, the.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Months designed, that is so vapid. This is not about science,
this is not about progress. No, this is just money.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
If you really want to praise women for, you know,
praise the one who got stuck there for nine.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Months, right right right, and finally got that.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I released her news set list for her new tour,
and she said beforehand that we were going to put
the ass back in astronaut. Like this is not ladies,
go do your vapid thing. That's fine, like fine, whatever,
but don't do not cast it as some sort of
(41:10):
win for science or progress or feminism. And don't don't
start yelling at people. I totally agree you think it's
who clearly think it's pointless if.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
If you see it as it is just a fun right,
you just went up and down for eleven minutes, and
you know, and you landed somewhere and you took a
bunch of selfies and all right, that's it.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
That's that's the it.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
I feel like things like this are very cynically composed.
Well I don't feel like yeah very much so that
they are cynically constructed by these billionaires in these companies
as a way of pushing themselves against any any criticism. Like, yes,
this was vapid and silly and stupid and it was
(41:53):
all about privilege and money and fame. But how dare
you how dare you criticize a woman? How dare you
criticize these women? You know, this is a win for women, ki,
and it's you know, meanwhile, Jeff Bezos is making money
and months that just came out in w in Women's
Wear Daily that they got two million dollars worth of
publicity out of it. And like I said, Katie Perry's
(42:13):
tour list is now know it's bullshit, It's all bullshit.
And that's fine, promote the shit out of yourself. But
Gail King, come on, lady, like, no, this is no wait,
this is no.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Win for women, no for women, for women in general.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
I mean, and I'm not a woman, I can't you know,
say a hundred percent, but I my feeling is that
this is not a win for women.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
It's not a win. Oh and then all these well
that was the real And here's the thing that annoys
me is the only reason Gil King said something is
not because the public said stuff other celebrities were saying, right,
So like Olivia Munn made some statement about Olivia Wilde
made some statement about all the Olivia's came out of
the woodwork, Emily Radikowski made some sort of on their
social media. It's just dismissing it as a PR stunt.
(42:57):
So yeah, it was a bad idea all around. I
don't think it's not going to hurt Jeff Bezos at all.
But I honestly think Gael King came out of us
looking like shit. And Katie Perry, well, her image has
been in the toilet for the last year.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
And a very hard to you know, be up there.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
So I couldn't believe the pictures of her, Like, why
are you taking pictures of yourself? You are eleven minutes
and outer space. That's all the time you had. The
last thing I would take is a picture of myself.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Right, But people can't live without a picture anymore, or
a little celebrity. If you're not going to be photographed,
you know, oh yeah, well that's that's pretty much. And
I'm sure they were probably told that they take pictures
of yourselves, because you know that's the whatever what there's
not going to be. There was nobody else on the
plane with them, so you know, they had to take
their own picture.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
The whole thing is just so crass and whatever. But
I wouldn't have cared either way, except Gail King came
out and I told people to go up in space
before they criticized. And I'm my lady, that's the point.
None of us can go.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
It's not like we can just take a bus and
get there.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah, you've been Oprah's friend for a little bit too long, lady.
I think you're just living in a bubble.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
I know, I think.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
I don't know. That's it. It's a rather short one
this week, but we I feel like we need to
wrap this up before they start breaking through the wails
next door. Yeah, that's it. We'll be back next week.
We're going to talk about that John Ham series on
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, your friends and neighbors because you
started watching it. Yeah, I have not watched it. We'll
talk about it, but more on Hacks and I don't know.
(44:32):
We're not recapping the studio. But if I do catch
more episodes, I'll follow up my opinion.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
On yes and other things on TikTok.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
I promise yes, more TikTok time with Lorenzo. So we'll
be back next week with whatever cross of the rise
acrosses our desk. Until then, love you, take care of
your helves and mean it.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Buba Bye.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
A grand bank break me.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
A grand bank k is a graper d to Saxton,
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