July 18, 2025 • 51 mins
T Lo look at the Colbert Late Night cancellation and what it says about this moment, both culturally and politically. Then they unpack all of the privacy and social media issues surrounding the cheating CEO at the Coldplay concert and all of the fan drama surrounding Pedro Pascal's former stylist. Finally, it's another rant about the increasingly pointless "And Just Like That..."
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
We're Tomy Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion
Fest Tell Quittons, Welcome back to another edition of the PSO.
I am the teen U Tilo Tom Fitzgerald, and I'm
here with the loan you, Tila Lorenzo, because I love
the husband.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
How are you love? To? Has one wonderful? It's still
very hot and I'm actainly not.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I went out to run an errand this morning and
it was only eighty degrees, but it has been hovering
near a hungry.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'm ready for a fall anyway, I am too.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
But all right, we have a lot to talk about today,
many many mini topics, several Lorenzo's TikTok topics, uh, and
some media stuf up, some Emmys stuff, and of course
and just like that, the Emmy stuff, well, we'll get
to that after the break. We'll do the TikTok stuff first.
(01:10):
The Emmy stuff. We were just hashing this out ahead
of time, and I think we're just going to do
a little overview of the Emmy nominations and run through
the whole thing entirely. We'll see how the conversation plays out.
But I have general thoughts about the Emmys and not
not particularly specific ones.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Okay, so why.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Don't we start with the big media story of the week,
which is Stephen Colbert his show This This was just
announced late last night that his show will be canceled
by CBS. And and apparently he didn't know until the
last minute. That he didn't know until the last minute,
that's what he said. Yeah, and it has you know,
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it has erupted because we are in a This is
also coming on the same day that the Republicans stripped
the Public Broadcasting Company of all their right fun funding.
And it also comes on the heels of you know,
the Washington Post deciding to you know, appease Jeff Bezos,
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or the way the New York Times has been constantly
bending over backwards to either appease the Trump administration or
to freaking attract attack trans people every chance they get.
Our media is failing. It has been failing for a
very very long time, and we are seeing the end.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Stage of it.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
You cannot have a healthy media in this country, in
any country when all of it is owned by like
six people, And.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
It sucks because you can't trust anything anymore. Like I'll
talk about the TikTok stuff, but like social media. They
have all this stuff now and it's all fake. You
never know anymore if what they're saying is true. You know,
whatever they're presenting is true. I watch everything now and
I'm like, is this really true? Let me check you know,
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ten times here before I make them, you know, before
I decide if it's it's it's actually a fact. So
it's sad that we can't rely on any media at all,
any any show or any you know, network, We can't
rely on anything anymore now.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Paramount, you know, in their statement made it, you know,
went out of their way to claim that it was
purely a financial decision and it had nothing to do
with anything that was going on behind the scenes. But
that immediately, you know, drew attention to it.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
The show just got nominated. Then it's been nominated, you know,
all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
So it's the highest rated a network late night show
among the three.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I think Fox's Late Night Bullshit is the highest rated
of all of them. But out of the of the
three network television late night shows, it is the highest.
It does better than The Tonight Show and Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So this wasn't.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Necessarily about ratings. As anybody who has watched Hacks in
the last year or two knows, the uh Late Late
night is dying. And you could look at this as well,
this is CBS pulling the trigger, you know, on something
that's just going to happen, and all of the dominoes
are going to fall right after this, and then we're
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going to see Kimmel and fallon. Then they're all going
to get canceled. And that may that may yet be true.
But CBS Paramount has been making moves to appease the
Trump administration, not least of which is that they settled
a bullshit lawsuit that he filed against sixty Minutes. And
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the thinking at the time was that they were doing
this because they they want to appease him, because they
want to They're trying to do this merger with sky Dance,
the media company. It's this massive merger and the President
could kill it if he wanted to. So the the
immediate impression across the board is that this show is
Stephen Colbert is getting fired because he criticizes Trump and
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he criticizes Paramount. Just last week, he did a monologue
calling the sixty Minutes settlement, what do they call it
a bribe. So he may have pissed off his corporate overlords.
And maybe they're just firing him because he speaks out
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against them too much. But that's not what it looks
like to anybody who's looking at it. It looks like
he is being fired because the president doesn't like what
he says.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, I mean I can see that. And he mocked
the lawsuit in the settlement and the payment, and apparently
he also mocked the company that they're merging with or
all that stuff, and they just don't like that kind
of stuff, and you know, and yeah, I really can't
get into the president. I'm sorry, but you know, whatever
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you do that this man doesn't like it, there's you know,
people are suffering some sort of consequence. It's alarming.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's alarming to see our institutions just fall over like
this without with barely a push. But you know a
lot of times when for instance, The New York Times
publishes something ridiculous and everyone's like, what are they thinking?
What were they thinking? How could they have published this?
And it's like, this isn't a mistake. This is what
they want and maybe this will be bad press for
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paramount or whatever, but they want him out.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
This is not them appeasing the president. This is them
getting what they want. We cannot, well we can't. We did,
so I'm saying we cannot. But we're living in a
world where we have turned over control of all over
institutions to the richest people in the world, and now
they get to control all of them. And that means
that people like Stephen Colbert need to keep their mouth
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shut if they want to keep their jobs. And he
didn't keep his mouth shut, so now he's not going
to get to keep his job.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, and that's pretty much it. And whoever has the money,
you know, even I know, it dictates whatever it's going
on at the moment, and they know they even get nominated.
I'm like, I'm just waiting for the for that certain
guy to become a nominated, nominated for something, you know,
in the lex selection or whatever. I don't know what
that means. Yeah, anyway, I don't like to I don't know,
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I didn't know what. Yeah anyway, I'm anyway, people with
power and money, I feel like they're just taking over
more than ever, not that they didn't before, but anyway.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
So the show is ending in May, which I would
think He's probably gonna run his mouth quite a lot
between now and May. I hope he burns it all down.
He is famous for his you know, the edges have
been sanded off Colbert ever since he became a corporate
you know lackey, so to speak. But back when he
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was on the Daily Show and when he was doing
the Colbert Report, it was a lot he had. His
comedy was a lot more biting, and he is He
really became famous in the two thousand after the two
thousand and six White House Correspondence associated dinner where he
tore into the Bush administration and tore into all of
the journalists in the room. It was a very brave
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thing for him to do, a very exciting thing for
people who were in opposition to the Iraq War at
the time. It was exciting to say someone do something
that brave. So I think he is likely to be
a thorn in cbs' side between now and May. And
he's nominated for an Emmy which he is almost certainly
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going to win in September, now, right, well, yeah, and
just imagine what that speech is going to be. I
hope he tears it all down. He doesn't need this,
you know, he and he and this isn't necessarily like
boo boohoo. Poor Stephen Colbert. First off, he's a millionaire. Secondly,
he will land on his feet. Even Conan O'Brien, who
famously got screwed over, hasn't had a bad career. But
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it's all the people that work on that show. There's
like two hundred staffers that are going to be out
of a job because, you know, their corporate overlords wanted
to appease the president and fuck everybody else. All right,
this has gotten very dark.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, I agree, But at the same time, we had
to address that because it's out there and it's kind
of surprising. Everybody was shocked that it happened. But yeah,
now you know, it's pretty much like every day there's
something new that will shock you. Yep.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
All right, let's move on to Lorenzo's TikTok time with
some slightly light lighter fare.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah. So, the first one I want to talk about
is the one that exploded. My god, it really exploded.
I mean everywhere they're talking about it's the one about
the Coldplay concert that happened. And apparently I didn't know
that Chris Morton has a camera, it's a kiss camera
or whatever that you know, zoom in on people the audience,
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and so he was doing that and they zoomed in
on a couple kind of dancing and you know, together,
and then they realized were on camera, and they kind
of like they freaked out and they were trying to
hide right away, and Chris Morton said something like, you know, oh, oh,
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either they're having an affair or they're very very shy,
you know why they hiding, blah blah blah, and it
just took ovid the unit. My god, it was all
lover TikTok. And of course immediately they found out who
they were. I'm not gonna say their names, but one
of them is the CEO of a major tech company
called the Astronomer and apparently the woman with him is
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the head of the of HR and apparently allegedly they're
having an affair and I guess nobody knew about it
and they were caught on camera. So it's very interesting.
And again talking about like news, how we can't rely
on anything anymore or trust anything anymore, people were saying
that the CEO came out with a statement apologizing but
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then the company said that those statements are fake. People
created those statements, you know, online. Again, you can't trust
anything anymore. Apparently he never said anything. So the statement
you've been reading, it was even published by some newspapers
and stuff. It's, according to the company, is fake. You
never said it. Whatever they're saying as an apology. So
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it's interesting because the conversation is immediately they want to
attack these two, and they immediately they found out who
they were, they went to their social media pages and
you know, criticized.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Them, and his wife wound up changing yes her last name,
reverting to her maiden name on her social media when
all of this came out, I just want to say
that I don't necessarily feel sorry for these these two,
but I do think it's disturbing how people turn other
people's lives into internet social media drama. And you know,
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there were a couple of people saying this is a
little gross. They're being docs, they're being you know, their
lives are being destroyed, etcetera. And the response is always,
well they shouldn't have cheated.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Well, who the hell are you?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Who were you the arbiter to someone else's life? Like
whether or not you should destroy someone else's life or not.
I'm not defending the right the wealthy CEO and his
no doubt wealthy hr VP or whatever the hell she was.
And yeah, they were at a concert. But being at
a concert is not right. I don't think you necessary
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and being in the audience of a concert, I don't
think you should necessarily have the expectation that whatever you're
doing in there is going to be broadcast to the
entire world and everyone's going to doc show and figure
out your name, Like, Okay, yeah, he's cheating on his wife.
That's a real shitthead thing to do. How's it any
of our business?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Right, it's just bad luck. Apparently there were over sixty
thousand people at the concert. Yeah, and they zoomed in
on these two. Yeah, I mean, you know, bad luck. Yeah,
I guess. Or maybe you shouldn't be going to public
places if it's not officially you know official you.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Still I don't like standards like that because it's it's
it's invoking a morality that you're just imposing on people,
like right bull, you know he and his wife have
an open marriage or they're separated or something. None of
these people needed to be humiliated just just for our
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own you know, Oh, he's a CEO, he's like a
six year old white guy, and like, let's you.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Know, tear him down whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I don't mean turn it into like this white or
mill rights thing, but I get the impulse. I get
the impulse that you want to tear people like that down.
But it's just it's gross. It's gross that we're just
doing this sort of thing on the regular now, and
nobody ever stops to say, should we be doing this?
Should we be you know, moralizing about how other people
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live their private life. It is their private life. I
don't care if it was caught on camera. It is
their private life, right, And they weren't doing something scandalous.
They were swaying to music together.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah. It's interesting because you know, they're blaming everybody. They're
blaming Chris Morton for saying something. Well, no, that's how
the how it was. He's supposed to know any I mean,
it's a camera that he has, you know, going on
and then at every show that's what they do. So
it just happened that they caught these two because they
were like hugging and dancing and you know, right, so
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they felt like, oh, nice couple here, let's just zoom
in on them, right, and then that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
But and I, like I said, I don't feel sorry
for these two, but I do feel like, why did
it become this thing where we had to find out
who they were and go find out his wife? And
now it's all in the news. And I'm not rudder
off knowing this story. I'm just not And this is
the typical of so many of these social media stories.
At the end of the day, I didn't need to
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know this.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I don't care. Yeah, well that's the thing now. I mean,
everyone has a camera, so you know, they're always like
catching the moment now, and then they immediately post on
social media and then it becomes a story and then
you know, you know it is they it can become
something much bigger than it needs to be. But again,
you know everyone, it's interesting because it's funny because before
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social media, you'd share things that you occasionally saw with
your friends at work and you know, or your family
and friends. But now you have social media, you have
the computer in front of you, you have you know,
you have a tool, and all of a sudden, you
just publish it or you have an opinion about it,
and it becomes the big thing, you know. All right,
I think we've beaten that one to death.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
We have another TikTok story, but why don't we take
a short break and then we'll come back. We are back,
Lorenzo has one more TikTok time, let's go.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah. So this one is interesting because it's sort of
it's it's it's about fashion, it's about what we do
in a way. So what happened was I was actually
putting the post together with Pedro Pascal and looking for
the you know, idea what he looked, and I mean,
what he wore, the look and and everything, and then
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all of a sudden I realized that he it was
a different stylist. I was like, oh, that's interesting. But anyway,
they changed all the time, so it's not surprising. But
then it was all over TikTok that because his stylist,
Julie Rajolie, I guess she quit uh and made a
(16:23):
statement actually I believe it was a duke. You interview
her and ask about it, and she said that she
quit that they because she uh, if you don't know
her work, she started working with him. I believe was
in right after the last of US premiere. Uh, and
she started dressing him, and he started wearing interesting things,
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like he started wearing boots and then shorts, and you know,
he really changed the way he looked. Uh, he looks
on the red carpet. And and that was because of her.
She was doing all this work, and people were you know,
calling him, you know, hot, sexy and all that, and
so it was her she was styling him. But then
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according to her, she started uh receiving threats over her
over his outfits. Apparently that he people were not happy
with the way she was dressing him and uh. But
then apparently she started insulting the fans uh who came
to her page complain about the way he was looking. Uh.
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And then she started attacking the fans, and it became
this whole fight on the internet, her fighting with his fans,
and which you know, got to a point where they
decided to not work together anymore. So now he has
a different stylist. But it was all over the internet.
And I thought it was an interesting conversation because it's
very funny. I mean when you think about it, I mean,
not so long ago, people had no idea who dressed who?
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You know, they they didn't even understand the whole styling thing,
and now they're going not only know about it, but
they go to their pages, you know, and complain about
how they dressed. Very interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I think so much of this though, all Right, I
have thoughts. First thought is that she should not have
been getting into fights with his fans on social media.
And it makes me think that she may not have
been that she might have been fired, because you just
it's just bad. You can't do that as a as
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a stylist. You cannot be getting on social media and
getting into fights with the fans of the person who
you are working for. It reflects badly on him, and
it reflects badly on her as a stylist, as a
business professional. It's just not good. Listen, I have gotten
into fights on social media with his fans. Pedro Pescal
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fans are a little nuts.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Really.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yes, it's very interesting because I mean, I'm just gonna
say it. It is like the least kept secret in Hollywood.
He is generally understood to be a queer man by everybody,
but he never came out. He never came out, but
he keeps. Yeah, I mean, it's generally understood that Pedro
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Pascal is not one hundred percent straight, but that his
fan base doesn't seem to grasp that. It's all what
I kept running into when I would run into these
it was all like high school and college age girls,
which is a little strange because he's old enough to
be their father, right, And they I don't know if
it's because of the game and the and the TV series.
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I don't know why he has such a young female
fan base. I mean, he's attractive, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
But he's not twenty. But he's not that young.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And and you know, you get these young female fan
bases on social media and think you look crazy. I'm sorry,
I'm gonna be perfectly blunt about that. And yes, before
you get angry, young male fan base are just as crazy,
but that's not who I deal with in my line
of work. So and I remember one of the things
they said to me was because we would use the
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slutty daddy line, and it became this thing about how
dare you sexualize this Latino man? And I mean, okay, well,
I sexualize a Latino man every day for the last
thirty years.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
They shut up.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
And they're very protective of him. It's so weird because
they treat him like this little dove, and it's like,
he's a fifty year old dude. He's fine, He's doing
just fine. The way they run to defend him and everything.
But what struck me about these altercations and these callouts
was that, well, first off, there was a little bit
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of homophobia in some of this stuff because you know,
he he kind of is dressing a little queer, yeah,
I mean, and they so all of these young women
are going after his stylist for ruining his quote unquote
ruining his image, and that misunderstand First off, that misunderstands
him because even after he has fired this woman, he's
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still dressing in some pretty goofy outfits. And secondly, it
completely misunderstands what stylists do. Stylists do not, And we
run into this on our own site with our own
regular commenters all the time, and we kind of have
to go in and sort of educate people when it
comes up. Stylists do not tell their clients what to wear.
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They would never keep a client if that's what they did.
They work with a client to figure out what they like,
figure out what image they want to project, and then
they present options to them, and they use their eye
and their connections to make sure that those options are
trendy of the moment and flattering to them. But they
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cannot make them wear anything. So all that crazy shit
you saw Pedro where maybe she talked him into it
or something, but ultimately he wore it because he wanted
to wear it. Nobody, nobody steps out on a red
car but unless they are some unknown starlet just starting out.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
But no, no.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Star is stepping out on a red carpet wearing something
they didn't want to wear. It just doesn't work that right.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Well, I agree, especially when you're when you're that famous,
you know, you're on that level of fame. I mean,
you decide what you're gonna wear. Now. I want to
explain a few things here when it comes to styling.
I mean, the thing is that she is right, that
she shouldn't be attacked the way she was. Of course,
that it's you know, and she made a very good point,
she says. One of the statements she made on her
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Instagram at couch she said, you know, stylers are not dictators,
and that's true. We are collaborators, and she's right. I mean,
do you really think that you can tell Nicole Kidman
or any one of these people, Okay, well you're gonna
wear this. No, they present them with choices and then
they decide maybe together, but the final choice is always theirs.
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You know, I'm gonna wear that or not, and they can't.
I mean, and everything is it's very very uh uh
selected in a way that it. I mean, they spend
hours deciding what they're gonna do. I mean, and also
I hear a lot of people saying, why why isn't
she wearing Chanelle? Why isn't she wearing Door? Because maybe
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Chanelle or Door don't want them wearing that that There's
also that that people don't know houses decide who they're
going to dress based on what they think should be
best for them. So so not every you know, some
somebody that will kind of represent their their brand, their
their line, or whatever image they have in terms of brand.
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So just because you're famous doesn't mean that you're always
going to have a choice of Dior, Chanel and everything else.
I mean, no, absolutely not. You know, sometimes they'll say, no,
I'm we don't think that you know this person is
good for our house or represents us. That's number one.
So but when you're that famous, you have a ton
of choices, and it's it's it's a decision that a
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lot of people were involved. I mean, you know, the
hair people and the makeup people, everything groomy or whatever
you want to call it. All these people make a
decision together. And but you know, the famous person to
your artist is singer or whoever, the actor, the sides, Okay,
I'm gonna go with this or not. So I'm sure
he said, Okay, I want to wear that. I want
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to wear those those boots, I want to wear those shorts,
you know.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
And I do want to return to your point, like,
of course she should not. Nobody should be getting death
threats on social media for anything, let alone for styling a.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Star.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
However, I'm ninety nine percent sure none of them were
actual that like literally, I'm going to find you and
hunt you down. It was more in the social media
mode of someone needs to kill that woman, blah blah
blah and listen, that's not acceptable rhetoric, but her turning
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it into actual threats against herself.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Again, Peter Pascal does not want this. He does not
want this story.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
He doesn't want this attached to his name, And yes,
she doesn't deserve death threats. However, if she wanted to
keep him as a client, maybe she should have handled
that a little bit better. Listen, we've gotten death threats.
We've gotten death threats on social media plenty of time. Yeah,
and it's not acceptable, it's not right. But I can't
remember the last time I treated any of them as
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if they were serious threats to my life.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I don't even reply to those things exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I don't think she was being and believe me, I
do know that women on social media are you know,
under threat, but this does not This was fandom. This
was teenage and college age girls being bitches on social
media to someone that they wanted to tear down.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
That's all it was, right. I think there's a way
to reply if you need to reply at all. I
have learned my lesson. I remember longst block people a
long time ago. I used to getting to fights with
people on Twitter a long time ago. We're talking about
many years ago. I don't do that anymore at all,
because it doesn't go anywhere that you know, it doesn't
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take you anywhere healthy or or safe. Actually it's not
worth it. So I just ignore now. And maybe she
should have done that. But at the same time, I'm
not telling her what to do. I mean, she feels
like she needed to reply, maybe replying I don't know
or not. Some stylists actually have their whole stuff private,
it's not open to the public. But I find it
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very interesting that we're getting to this point now that
fans are now attacking their stylist.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I mean, it's like, what, it's stupid, And like I said,
there's a little bit of homophobia in this because what
they just don't like the fact that he's not dressing
like a normal heterosexual leading man their fantasy of whatever.
He's not dressed like Joel from the Last of Us.
You know, he's not in his flannels and jeans. He's
wearing you know, he was wearing thigh high boots at
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the Star Wars thing earlier this year.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I I And it's just a little disappointing because actually,
don't get me wrong, we just took Pedro Pascali in
for a little bit of criticism because we think some
of this stuff that he is wearing is a little
gimmicky and looks dumb.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
On him.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
On the other hand, I hate to hear that, for instance,
heterosexual girls were tearing down his style choices because they
weren't sufficiently masculine and attacking a woman for it because
they felt that she had somehow gotten her claws into him.
The whole thing is so reactionary and backwards thinking that
it's kind of it's kind of depressing to dive into.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
It's it's sad that if you're right that she got
fired because of that, that's my take. If that's so,
if that's what really happened, it's it's actually very sad
because you lost your job, you know, because of some
stupidity like.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
That, because you were being you were thinking outside the
box and you were being adventurous with your choices, and
now we got to slap.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
That sort of so that that I don't agree with it.
Formity conformity, yes, but it's a little scary, but I'm
not surprised that, you know, now they're attacking their silence
and it's like, come on, people, fans are out of
control all the time. I see them on social media
all the time, and yeah, you can't disagree with them anymore.
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They you know, you can't say anything negative about whoever
they like. That's the bottom line with social media.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
All right, we've beaten that to death. I think we're
just gonna move into the Emmys. Yeah, I guess, yeah,
us you want or do you want to take a break.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Oh, let's take a break. We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
We're back and we're gonna look at the Emmy nominations.
But you know, we used to do this in previous
podcast years. We would run down everything and start saying
you should have been nominated, what our picks are and
that sort of thing. And well, first off, I can't
do that because there's I hate the nominations this year.
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I guess that's what I'm getting down to, is I
really hate the nominations this year.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I hate.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I hate the fact that all of these people in
the Academy have apparently only watched like four TV shows
because those are the only shows that are getting nominated,
or they like.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
A show and they nominate everybody. Well that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, the number of people that got nominated for the
White Lotus is white, frankly, is an embarrassment to the
Television Academy.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
That's how I look.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I'm like you people you just this is hype. This
has nothing to do with performances. This is one of
the most talked about TV shows of the year, one
of the most hyped shows of the year. So you
just nominated and you know, not for nothing. Mike White,
who's very smart, the showrunner of The White Lotus. He
casts big stars, so there are so it's just such
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a temptation for anybody to be like, all right, just
nominate every name that on The White Lotus this season.
And they basically did.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I feel the same way about Severance, you know, like
a fantastic show, but then let's nominate everybody. They did.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
They nominated the entire cast to severans, including like people
like Gwendel and Christy who I'm sorry, no no was
there for five minutes. She was there for five minutes,
and she gave this sort of basic cartoon character. I mean,
I enjoyed it. But that's that is my main takeaway
this year is that, boy, these people really love and
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it's really it's down to two shows. I'm scrolling through
and it's like.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
It's all, oh and The Bear. Of course The Bear.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I denominated everybody in The Bear because it's a comedy, right,
all those people are hilarious.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I'm the bear. Oh and then the studio.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Oh right, they had ann because it was all cameos
a big name star, so they had to nominate every
single person who gets starred on that show.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I almost knocked over. And I don't know one person
I have watched that show.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
And actually the fact that Martin Scorsese and Ron Howard
were nominated for playing Martin Scorsese and Ron Howard and listen,
I didn't see the Ron Howard scene. I saw the
Scorsese scene and it was very funny and he was
very good in.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
It, playing himself.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
But I don't think like when and these are the
guest spots. They were nominated for being guest spots.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
And the thing is that is.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
The one category where you can elevate some character actor
or some journeyman actor who doesn't star in shows but
made a really good appearance on a show and deserves recognition.
And you're nominating fucking Martin Scorsese, who doesn't want this emmy.
I guarantee it's not probably embarrassed by the nomination. And
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you could have nominated some some anybody, anybody who guests
starred on a TV show other than this friggin TV show.
I'm not gonna sit here and make my picks or
talk about by snubs because there's it's just kind of
too big, Like you just ignored so much to focus
all your attention on four TV shows, and there's so
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much television out right now. That's what's so and good
TV and good TV out there. My one major snub
is I cannot get over what they did to and Or.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
And everybody's talking about. I cannot get over.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I mean, Andrew got something like fourteen nominations, but most
of them are technical, directing or writing. The only actors
that got nominated were Forrest Whittaker and Alan tutic and
Lorenzo's looking at me because he didn't watch the final
season and this named me nothing to him.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
But okay, I get it.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Forrest Whittaker's one scene in that episode was everybody talked
about it, that went viral.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
It was. It was a hell of.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
A monologue, And if other people had gotten nominated in
the cast, I wouldn't have an issue with him getting nominated.
But I feel like this is a classic exam There's
this huge cast of and Or, all of whom gave
tremendous performances. Only a handful of those people are actually
well known, like stealin Scarsborough, Diego Luna. The rest of
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them aren't that well known, and they all got ignored
so that they could nominate the one guy who won
an Oscar in the CA Because far As Whitaker is
an Oscar winner. It's like you just picked the name
that you knew, right. Alan Tutick is another one who
I don't begrudge him, but he he did a fucking
voice for a robot like and he was only in
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like two episodes. The fact that Diego Luna and Genevieve
O Riley got passed over is just it's so it
speaks so poorly right of the Academy this year. And
of course I'm just going on a rant here. It's
it's once again turning very white. It's it's just a
lot of white nominees. There's not a lot of diversity
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in the nomination.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I thought we had discussed up before, but apparently not. Well,
everything's reverting backwards, you know, so go ahead, you know,
know I agree. I mean, people were mentioning other shows
that didn't get any nomination at all, and again What
I find interesting is that these are the people. They're
they're peers voting right for the television. Yeah. So, like,
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I mean, how can I mean, I don't understand how
you cannot stop and think, maybe, you know, I should
be a little more critical here about my choices, uh,
and not just vote for my friend or whatever I
watched only I don't know it. This is an opportunity
to celebrate somebody who maybe never got nominated or but
gave a great performance, as opposed to oh, the same people,
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the same, very famous, you know people that we see
on TV all the time. Yeah, it's disappointed. I yeah,
I get excited a little, But at the same time,
I'm like, it's always the same, you know with this awards.
I mean you know that, you know, they're not just
they're not one hundred percent you know what it should be.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
I just I looked at these nominations and I'm like,
I don't feel like the Academy is celebrating the breadth
and breadth of television. They're just focusing on the biggest names,
the most popular ones, the most talked about shows. I
am offended by those white Lotus nominations. I honestly am
I'm like that entire season, I could think of maybe
two people I would pick. Oh, and Leslie Bibb is
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one of the ones that wasn't nominated, And I'm like, no,
she's actually one of the ones I wanted to be nominated.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
It's carry Coon and her. Yes, I would have nominated.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
And Sam Rockwell because that monologue was insane, insane. Yeah,
I understand wanting to give it to Walton Goggins, fine whatever,
or Amy lou would, but then everybody else, Jason Isaacs, Parker, Posey,
come on, that is not an award winning performance.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
That is it wasn't even a great live skit. Yeah, yeah,
I agree. Anyway, poor Patrick didn't get nominate. He must
be it's because like all my friends, all my co workers.
Now I don't his.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Siblings on the show didn't get nominated. I know, but whatever,
I just think I think it's embarrassing that the Academy
is like this, and I have no other thoughts either way.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, but it's sad. It's sad. Like I said, it's
an opportunity to, I don't know, celebrate people giving a
great performance who aren't very famous or haven't won anything before.
But no, you know, it's always the.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Same, always the same. Speaking of always the same, let's
move on to the latest and.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Just like that, Yes, our favorite show. Yeah, why don't you.
I've been done a lot of talking. That's when it
was actually I thought had some potential maybe because they're
covering issues here that these ladies maybe you know, could
go through in terms of like, you know, I don't know,
getting attracted by your coworker, you know, I don't know,
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I don't know stuff like that, or the whole I
don't know. The oh Seema thing and with a gardener,
you know, that was kind of interesting, the way they
had their you know, I don't know, they were in
bed and talking about it.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Just struggling so hard to try and find to talk about.
And there's nothing in this episode that was we're talking about,
but I'll help you out. The Sema thing was fine.
I don't know where this is going with her and
this guy, but at least she doesn't come off pathetic
and I'm happy she's having really good sex.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I also think it's nice to actually see these characters
having sex, because this show is very very demure about
that sort of thing, and I kind of miss that.
I mean, this show would be so much more fun
if it was all about, you know, late middle aged
people having the sexiest time of their lives. But instead
they're all wetting their pants and having vertigo attacks and
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it's all embarrassing stuff. But so it was nice to
see Sema just having a really hot time in bed
with a hot guy. I mean, you know, you kind
of want that for these characters.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
They can't.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
They're all coming out of sex in the city and
they're all leading such dry lives right now, speaking a
dry Miranda listen. I struggled with this a little bit
because I was like, you know, it would be interesting
if they did a relapse storyline for her as an alcoholic,
especially since her alcoholism was a late in life development.
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She developed an alcohol you know, her alcoholism in her fifties.
Prior to that, it had not been an issue for her,
and I could see how, you know, she would start questioning, well,
maybe I'm not an.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Alcoholic, but what is it?
Speaker 1 (38:29):
What they really do not understand Miranda, Like the fact
I can have Miranda questioning her her approach to her drinking.
I can't stand that she's doing it because she's worried
her girlfriend won't think she's cool.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Right, that's the part.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
It's the same thing with the dogs and not wanting
the apartment because a girlfriend has a dog, And I'm like,
who is this Miranda is the one that would have
yelled at any of her girlfriends back in the day
for structuring their lives around who they're dating. So I
don't understand who this person is, right.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
I do like the scene and that particular moment when
she's talking about maybe I'm not, maybe I wasn't, maybe
I'm not, which is an interesting conversation to have because
you question that, especially after a long time you're not
drinking anymore, you know, you have been drinking anymore, So
I thought that was interesting. But doing that because you're
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afraid that somebody it It goes back to what I've
always said about the creators of the show. They want
to they want to exploit, I don't know, they want
to explore. Let's put it this way. They want to
explore a situation and then they just pick a character
and they and they don't care if that character actually
fit whatever they want to talk about. So, okay, let's
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get Miranda to talk about, you know me, about the
whole thing. Issue with drinking and all that. But they
don't really think about any development. Character development here, there's none,
there's very little. And then and then every one night
because I go online night and I on TikTok everywhere,
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everyone is saying the same thing, what are they doing
with this character? This is not the Miranda. Everybody knows.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
She's a complete reversal of the Miranda. And yeah, like
putting aside the queer, Fine, the ship is sailed on
that she is a lesbian. Now she was never attracted
to men. Okay, that doesn't make much sense based on
what we know. But fine, and she's an alcoholic and
okay they that actually wasn't a terrible storyline to put
on her. A lot of queer women struggle with substance
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abuse issues, a lot of queer people generally struggle with it,
and this could have been an interesting storyline. But going
to your point about like what are they doing with
these with her, what are they doing with any of
these characters, They don't do anything except have little vignettes.
Yes that never amount anywhere. Because I was thinking of
this last night. Remember when they when Charlotte and Lisa
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hired the college person to interview their kids. Right, nothing,
nothing happened with that storyline at zero, Like the kids
cried and they fired that woman, and we never heard
another thing about college. And Charlotte's daughter was dating the
ballet guy and he's polyamorous and now they're not, and
that's the end of that story. There is no story
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here in terms of characters. They want to explore certain things,
certain themes, right, and they're using characters for that. That's
what happens every episode. Right, we're going to talk about
these issues here and then we're going to use so
and so and so to tell the story. But there's
no continuity in any of our storylines. And I mean, Lisa, okay, like, fine,
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you have a hot guy at work that you're having
fantasies about. This isn't a terrible storyline to have, but
it is not going anywhere. It's just over and over again.
She's uncomfortable and she's in a situation and she's having
dreams and she's trying to have sex with her hot but.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
And everything is resolved in two seconds and then they
move on. I mean, like, all right, she's no longer
interested in him and done.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
I don't think that storylines over well, they would get
on with it, fine, have the have the affair, and
that at least that's the storyline.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I also resent the fact that they these women, you know,
the main characters, they completely forgot their husbands and their
their ex lovers or whatever. Like Miranda never talked about
her husband. It's like he was never important to her
at all. Yeah, and like, what do you think about
Aran never mentions big, yes, big, and forget big. I mean,
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I mean, don't even even act.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Like a widow, right, And I don't mean she has
to be moping around, but she she doesn't act like
someone who was married for twenty years, you know what, more.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Important in your life. For several seasons, there were seasons
and seasons of these men, you know, part of your life,
and now they don't. You can't even talk about them.
You don't talk about them. It's just weird. It's just weird.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
And then finally there's Carrie and what the fuck Aiden?
Like when the episode starts and I'm like back with Aiden,
like why do you keep sort of breaking up or
sort of going to your corners? And then he's back
again and he is not interesting.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
The only thing I'll say is that this was the
first time I got the impression that the writers actually
do know how he's coming across, because I mean, that's
the question the big questions does everyone keep asking is
does an anybody in that writing room understand that he
is coming across really creepy and controlling. And the thing
is that scene where they had a nap and they
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woke up and she has to go down to be
with Duncan to write her book, and he all of
a sudden starts talking about his kid again and gets
her to cancel her plans. It was subtle, but I
do feel that that was the writing pointing out that
he is being manipulated.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
He's using the kids, I guess to show her. I
think that's what they're going for, but I really wish
they'd have it out because it's making her look very dumb.
You could get away with having these characters get pushed
around by their lovers or their boyfriends or whatever, or
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intimidate like what does my girlfriend think of me? What
does my boy But it looks pathetic in sixty year
old women. It just does.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
And that's what I mean about Carrie not acting like
a widow like she is hanging everything on this guy
like it's the only thing in her life. And I'm like,
you were married for twenty years, if anything, wouldn't you
be a little more sanguine about this sort of thing,
a little more laid back. But she's acting like she's
forty and she needs a husband, right, And Miranda's acting
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like she's forty and she needs a girlfriend, Like I'm
so worried about my girlfriend finding out a maha alcohol whatever.
Why can't you make these women exciting? That's the thing.
And I've come back to this so many times in
my discussions about this show. You know, when you looked
at Sex and the City that constantly made mistakes, they
were neurotic, they had judgment, and they were shallow, but
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the show constantly pointed that out. They were interesting and
exciting and mostly confident women making their way, and that
was the appeal. This time, I can't tell if any
of them see the mistake, Like I can't tell if
Carrie is supposed to see how she's.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Acting or not. Everybody is insecure and worried about boyfriends
or girlfriends, or whether they're young coworkers think they're cool
or what. What I loved about Sex and the City
is that it was so much about the city too.
It felt like it felt like these characters were in
New York as people. I've said this before, people I
knew because that's how New Yorkers are. They have no
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time for anything, They have no patience for anything, you know,
And that's why they make those mistakes so often, because
they move on. They don't want to spend time fixing anything.
That was my experience, and that's why Sex and de
City I thought it was so interesting because that's how
those characters were. They moved on to the next boyfriend
or whatever, the next situation. You don't see that anymore.
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They all act and everything is so like shallowed. There
is no death, nothing, nothing, nothing goes anywhere, nothing goes anywhere. Yes, yeah,
And to your point about the city, I miss. I
know that they're older and that they're not, for instance,
going out and hitting the clubs or anything like that,
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but all of those women were very much into going out,
getting dressed up and going out and that, and I
miss seeing that, Like why don't they go out for cocktails?
Why don't we have scenes of them in bars or
scenes of them in and all we get is freakin'
Anthony's Bakery. That's the only time we see them sitting down.
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My favorite thing about Sex and the City again, I
miss Sex and the City so much because of that.
They would go through whatever, and the next day they
would have brunch and they'd go like, ew, is that
what happened? Is that what he did? I don't need
to see exactly that. They're not young women, I know,
but but sit down discusting. At least they were all different.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
They went to an art gallery, so that that's fine,
but it was one of those things where oh art
is weird and I don't understand it and everything, and
I'm like, again, these women are more sophisticated than that. Yes,
that's the thing that I miss is that they used
to be confident, sophisticated women who liked to get laid,
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and I don't see any of that anymore. They're insecure.
Then none of them seem to have much sex, and
if they do, it's all off camera.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
I don't need to see them having sex, but I need.
I would enjoy this show so much more if I
felt that these women were enjoying their lives. But I
don't get that impression.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
At all any of them, And some characters are so stupid,
like Paralleopoe's character, what do you say, like, why do
you sometimes have an accent and sometimes don't have it? Well,
forget that.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
If you played it for laughs, I might be able
to get it, But I don't get it, Like what
is the point of this? And I don't care about
Anthony trying to win her over, and frankly, there's something
a little weird about it, because you know, Anthony, your
mother in law's like, what eight years older than you.
It just the whole thing is just weird, and the
way she's.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Acting, I mean, it's just unnecessary. I mean, I'm not interested.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
I'm not would have liked an interesting queer gay character
on this show. And nothing against Mario Canton, who I
do like, but no, they just destroyed Anthony. And you know,
it wouldn't have been interesting to give Anthony a boyfriend
that was some somewhat in his age range, so you
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know what I mean. Not that I'm scandalized that he
has a younger guy, but I do think there's nothing
of interest happening there because you know, I don't know.
The whole show sucks and I'm not coming back next season.
There's one more episode, and I'm not coming.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Back one more episode. Yeah, it's just yeah, nothing makes sense.
Everything is treated so lightly, so there's no nothing there
to root for or to get excited to be. It's
the same people wearing very expensive clothes, living very expensive places,
acting silly.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Yeah, I don't mind the expensive clothes. In fact, a
couple of Lisa's outfits this episode, I was amazing. Okay,
that's gorgeous. I don't mind the clothes. I don't mind
the money, like the big apartment, like I want to
see the Grammercy park House. I mean, right, you married big, Like,
go spend the money. None of that bothers me.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Well, Sarah Jessa Perker was interviewed by Andy Cowan. Apparently
she didn't want to say, but I don't know. I
wouldn't be surprised if she goes back to her old apartment.
I think that's the thing. That's why she doesn't have
furniture or anything, Like she's going to give up her.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
And that'll be the dumbest thing. And then dumbest No,
she sold that apartment. She sold it, she did, Yeah,
she sold it to the girl down stairs.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Well, maybe the one above. You know, the apartment above
will be empty or available. I don't know what's going
on with.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Carrie and the guy downstairs the English, right. I don't
mind the guy. He actually is the kind of thing.
I think the show needs more of interesting people for
these people to date. And actually she would be fascinated
by a guy like that.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
I don't mind him at all. Just get rid of
fucking Aiden Man. He is we be mess, controlling asshole.
I never liked the guy, and I like him even
less now.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah, and he makes no sense. The character makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
I'm just tired of hearing When they were in bed
and they woke up and he was like looking at
his phone. I was like, Jesus Christ, if he says
the name Wyatt, I'm gonna scream. I don't give a
shit about this kid, I know.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Seriously. Anyway, Yeah, that's us. We should wrap this up.
I agree, But yeah, that's it. One more, one more
episode and I think we're done, right, Yeah, we're probably.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
I'm not coming back next season because we're just making
the same complaints over and over. And I hear your
kitten's I know some of you love hearing us rant
about this show.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
But it gets the point that it's a job now
to watch this an episode of and just like that,
and that's no fun.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
All right, that's it for us this week. We'll be
back next week with whatever crosses the rights across our desks.
Until then, take care of yourselves, love you mean it.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Bye bye bye
We're Tomy Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion
Fest Tell Quittons, Welcome back to another edition of the PSO.
I am the teen U Tilo Tom Fitzgerald, and I'm
here with the loan you, Tila Lorenzo, because I love
the husband.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
How are you love? To? Has one wonderful? It's still
very hot and I'm actainly not.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I went out to run an errand this morning and
it was only eighty degrees, but it has been hovering
near a hungry.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'm ready for a fall anyway, I am too.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
But all right, we have a lot to talk about today,
many many mini topics, several Lorenzo's TikTok topics, uh, and
some media stuf up, some Emmys stuff, and of course
and just like that, the Emmy stuff, well, we'll get
to that after the break. We'll do the TikTok stuff first.
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The Emmy stuff. We were just hashing this out ahead
of time, and I think we're just going to do
a little overview of the Emmy nominations and run through
the whole thing entirely. We'll see how the conversation plays out.
But I have general thoughts about the Emmys and not
not particularly specific ones.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Okay, so why.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Don't we start with the big media story of the week,
which is Stephen Colbert his show This This was just
announced late last night that his show will be canceled
by CBS. And and apparently he didn't know until the
last minute. That he didn't know until the last minute,
that's what he said. Yeah, and it has you know,
(01:49):
it has erupted because we are in a This is
also coming on the same day that the Republicans stripped
the Public Broadcasting Company of all their right fun funding.
And it also comes on the heels of you know,
the Washington Post deciding to you know, appease Jeff Bezos,
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or the way the New York Times has been constantly
bending over backwards to either appease the Trump administration or
to freaking attract attack trans people every chance they get.
Our media is failing. It has been failing for a
very very long time, and we are seeing the end.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Stage of it.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
You cannot have a healthy media in this country, in
any country when all of it is owned by like
six people, And.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
It sucks because you can't trust anything anymore. Like I'll
talk about the TikTok stuff, but like social media. They
have all this stuff now and it's all fake. You
never know anymore if what they're saying is true. You know,
whatever they're presenting is true. I watch everything now and
I'm like, is this really true? Let me check you know,
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ten times here before I make them, you know, before
I decide if it's it's it's actually a fact. So
it's sad that we can't rely on any media at all,
any any show or any you know, network, We can't
rely on anything anymore now.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Paramount, you know, in their statement made it, you know,
went out of their way to claim that it was
purely a financial decision and it had nothing to do
with anything that was going on behind the scenes. But
that immediately, you know, drew attention to it.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
The show just got nominated. Then it's been nominated, you know,
all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
So it's the highest rated a network late night show
among the three.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I think Fox's Late Night Bullshit is the highest rated
of all of them. But out of the of the
three network television late night shows, it is the highest.
It does better than The Tonight Show and Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So this wasn't.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Necessarily about ratings. As anybody who has watched Hacks in
the last year or two knows, the uh Late Late
night is dying. And you could look at this as well,
this is CBS pulling the trigger, you know, on something
that's just going to happen, and all of the dominoes
are going to fall right after this, and then we're
(04:14):
going to see Kimmel and fallon. Then they're all going
to get canceled. And that may that may yet be true.
But CBS Paramount has been making moves to appease the
Trump administration, not least of which is that they settled
a bullshit lawsuit that he filed against sixty Minutes. And
(04:37):
the thinking at the time was that they were doing
this because they they want to appease him, because they
want to They're trying to do this merger with sky Dance,
the media company. It's this massive merger and the President
could kill it if he wanted to. So the the
immediate impression across the board is that this show is
Stephen Colbert is getting fired because he criticizes Trump and
(04:58):
he criticizes Paramount. Just last week, he did a monologue
calling the sixty Minutes settlement, what do they call it
a bribe. So he may have pissed off his corporate overlords.
And maybe they're just firing him because he speaks out
(05:19):
against them too much. But that's not what it looks
like to anybody who's looking at it. It looks like
he is being fired because the president doesn't like what
he says.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, I mean I can see that. And he mocked
the lawsuit in the settlement and the payment, and apparently
he also mocked the company that they're merging with or
all that stuff, and they just don't like that kind
of stuff, and you know, and yeah, I really can't
get into the president. I'm sorry, but you know, whatever
(05:51):
you do that this man doesn't like it, there's you know,
people are suffering some sort of consequence. It's alarming.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's alarming to see our institutions just fall over like
this without with barely a push. But you know a
lot of times when for instance, The New York Times
publishes something ridiculous and everyone's like, what are they thinking?
What were they thinking? How could they have published this?
And it's like, this isn't a mistake. This is what
they want and maybe this will be bad press for
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paramount or whatever, but they want him out.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
This is not them appeasing the president. This is them
getting what they want. We cannot, well we can't. We did,
so I'm saying we cannot. But we're living in a
world where we have turned over control of all over
institutions to the richest people in the world, and now
they get to control all of them. And that means
that people like Stephen Colbert need to keep their mouth
(06:45):
shut if they want to keep their jobs. And he
didn't keep his mouth shut, so now he's not going
to get to keep his job.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, and that's pretty much it. And whoever has the money,
you know, even I know, it dictates whatever it's going
on at the moment, and they know they even get nominated.
I'm like, I'm just waiting for the for that certain
guy to become a nominated, nominated for something, you know,
in the lex selection or whatever. I don't know what
that means. Yeah, anyway, I don't like to I don't know,
(07:11):
I didn't know what. Yeah anyway, I'm anyway, people with
power and money, I feel like they're just taking over
more than ever, not that they didn't before, but anyway.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
So the show is ending in May, which I would
think He's probably gonna run his mouth quite a lot
between now and May. I hope he burns it all down.
He is famous for his you know, the edges have
been sanded off Colbert ever since he became a corporate
you know lackey, so to speak. But back when he
(07:46):
was on the Daily Show and when he was doing
the Colbert Report, it was a lot he had. His
comedy was a lot more biting, and he is He
really became famous in the two thousand after the two
thousand and six White House Correspondence associated dinner where he
tore into the Bush administration and tore into all of
the journalists in the room. It was a very brave
(08:08):
thing for him to do, a very exciting thing for
people who were in opposition to the Iraq War at
the time. It was exciting to say someone do something
that brave. So I think he is likely to be
a thorn in cbs' side between now and May. And
he's nominated for an Emmy which he is almost certainly
(08:29):
going to win in September, now, right, well, yeah, and
just imagine what that speech is going to be. I
hope he tears it all down. He doesn't need this,
you know, he and he and this isn't necessarily like
boo boohoo. Poor Stephen Colbert. First off, he's a millionaire. Secondly,
he will land on his feet. Even Conan O'Brien, who
famously got screwed over, hasn't had a bad career. But
(08:51):
it's all the people that work on that show. There's
like two hundred staffers that are going to be out
of a job because, you know, their corporate overlords wanted
to appease the president and fuck everybody else. All right,
this has gotten very dark.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, I agree, But at the same time, we had
to address that because it's out there and it's kind
of surprising. Everybody was shocked that it happened. But yeah,
now you know, it's pretty much like every day there's
something new that will shock you. Yep.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
All right, let's move on to Lorenzo's TikTok time with
some slightly light lighter fare.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah. So, the first one I want to talk about
is the one that exploded. My god, it really exploded.
I mean everywhere they're talking about it's the one about
the Coldplay concert that happened. And apparently I didn't know
that Chris Morton has a camera, it's a kiss camera
or whatever that you know, zoom in on people the audience,
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and so he was doing that and they zoomed in
on a couple kind of dancing and you know, together,
and then they realized were on camera, and they kind
of like they freaked out and they were trying to
hide right away, and Chris Morton said something like, you know, oh, oh,
(10:10):
either they're having an affair or they're very very shy,
you know why they hiding, blah blah blah, and it
just took ovid the unit. My god, it was all
lover TikTok. And of course immediately they found out who
they were. I'm not gonna say their names, but one
of them is the CEO of a major tech company
called the Astronomer and apparently the woman with him is
(10:34):
the head of the of HR and apparently allegedly they're
having an affair and I guess nobody knew about it
and they were caught on camera. So it's very interesting.
And again talking about like news, how we can't rely
on anything anymore or trust anything anymore, people were saying
that the CEO came out with a statement apologizing but
(10:56):
then the company said that those statements are fake. People
created those statements, you know, online. Again, you can't trust
anything anymore. Apparently he never said anything. So the statement
you've been reading, it was even published by some newspapers
and stuff. It's, according to the company, is fake. You
never said it. Whatever they're saying as an apology. So
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it's interesting because the conversation is immediately they want to
attack these two, and they immediately they found out who
they were, they went to their social media pages and
you know, criticized.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Them, and his wife wound up changing yes her last name,
reverting to her maiden name on her social media when
all of this came out, I just want to say
that I don't necessarily feel sorry for these these two,
but I do think it's disturbing how people turn other
people's lives into internet social media drama. And you know,
(11:55):
there were a couple of people saying this is a
little gross. They're being docs, they're being you know, their
lives are being destroyed, etcetera. And the response is always,
well they shouldn't have cheated.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Well, who the hell are you?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Who were you the arbiter to someone else's life? Like
whether or not you should destroy someone else's life or not.
I'm not defending the right the wealthy CEO and his
no doubt wealthy hr VP or whatever the hell she was.
And yeah, they were at a concert. But being at
a concert is not right. I don't think you necessary
(12:25):
and being in the audience of a concert, I don't
think you should necessarily have the expectation that whatever you're
doing in there is going to be broadcast to the
entire world and everyone's going to doc show and figure
out your name, Like, Okay, yeah, he's cheating on his wife.
That's a real shitthead thing to do. How's it any
of our business?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Right, it's just bad luck. Apparently there were over sixty
thousand people at the concert. Yeah, and they zoomed in
on these two. Yeah, I mean, you know, bad luck. Yeah,
I guess. Or maybe you shouldn't be going to public
places if it's not officially you know official you.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Still I don't like standards like that because it's it's
it's invoking a morality that you're just imposing on people,
like right bull, you know he and his wife have
an open marriage or they're separated or something. None of
these people needed to be humiliated just just for our
(13:21):
own you know, Oh, he's a CEO, he's like a
six year old white guy, and like, let's you.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Know, tear him down whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I don't mean turn it into like this white or
mill rights thing, but I get the impulse. I get
the impulse that you want to tear people like that down.
But it's just it's gross. It's gross that we're just
doing this sort of thing on the regular now, and
nobody ever stops to say, should we be doing this?
Should we be you know, moralizing about how other people
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live their private life. It is their private life. I
don't care if it was caught on camera. It is
their private life, right, And they weren't doing something scandalous.
They were swaying to music together.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah. It's interesting because you know, they're blaming everybody. They're
blaming Chris Morton for saying something. Well, no, that's how
the how it was. He's supposed to know any I mean,
it's a camera that he has, you know, going on
and then at every show that's what they do. So
it just happened that they caught these two because they
were like hugging and dancing and you know, right, so
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they felt like, oh, nice couple here, let's just zoom
in on them, right, and then that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
But and I, like I said, I don't feel sorry
for these two, but I do feel like, why did
it become this thing where we had to find out
who they were and go find out his wife? And
now it's all in the news. And I'm not rudder
off knowing this story. I'm just not And this is
the typical of so many of these social media stories.
At the end of the day, I didn't need to
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know this.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I don't care. Yeah, well that's the thing now. I mean,
everyone has a camera, so you know, they're always like
catching the moment now, and then they immediately post on
social media and then it becomes a story and then
you know, you know it is they it can become
something much bigger than it needs to be. But again,
you know everyone, it's interesting because it's funny because before
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social media, you'd share things that you occasionally saw with
your friends at work and you know, or your family
and friends. But now you have social media, you have
the computer in front of you, you have you know,
you have a tool, and all of a sudden, you
just publish it or you have an opinion about it,
and it becomes the big thing, you know. All right,
I think we've beaten that one to death.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
We have another TikTok story, but why don't we take
a short break and then we'll come back. We are back,
Lorenzo has one more TikTok time, let's go.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah. So this one is interesting because it's sort of
it's it's it's about fashion, it's about what we do
in a way. So what happened was I was actually
putting the post together with Pedro Pascal and looking for
the you know, idea what he looked, and I mean,
what he wore, the look and and everything, and then
(16:01):
all of a sudden I realized that he it was
a different stylist. I was like, oh, that's interesting. But anyway,
they changed all the time, so it's not surprising. But
then it was all over TikTok that because his stylist,
Julie Rajolie, I guess she quit uh and made a
(16:23):
statement actually I believe it was a duke. You interview
her and ask about it, and she said that she
quit that they because she uh, if you don't know
her work, she started working with him. I believe was
in right after the last of US premiere. Uh, and
she started dressing him, and he started wearing interesting things,
(16:45):
like he started wearing boots and then shorts, and you know,
he really changed the way he looked. Uh, he looks
on the red carpet. And and that was because of her.
She was doing all this work, and people were you know,
calling him, you know, hot, sexy and all that, and
so it was her she was styling him. But then
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according to her, she started uh receiving threats over her
over his outfits. Apparently that he people were not happy
with the way she was dressing him and uh. But
then apparently she started insulting the fans uh who came
to her page complain about the way he was looking. Uh.
(17:27):
And then she started attacking the fans, and it became
this whole fight on the internet, her fighting with his fans,
and which you know, got to a point where they
decided to not work together anymore. So now he has
a different stylist. But it was all over the internet.
And I thought it was an interesting conversation because it's
very funny. I mean when you think about it, I mean,
not so long ago, people had no idea who dressed who?
(17:50):
You know, they they didn't even understand the whole styling thing,
and now they're going not only know about it, but
they go to their pages, you know, and complain about
how they dressed. Very interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I think so much of this though, all Right, I
have thoughts. First thought is that she should not have
been getting into fights with his fans on social media.
And it makes me think that she may not have
been that she might have been fired, because you just
it's just bad. You can't do that as a as
(18:24):
a stylist. You cannot be getting on social media and
getting into fights with the fans of the person who
you are working for. It reflects badly on him, and
it reflects badly on her as a stylist, as a
business professional. It's just not good. Listen, I have gotten
into fights on social media with his fans. Pedro Pescal
(18:47):
fans are a little nuts.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Really.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yes, it's very interesting because I mean, I'm just gonna
say it. It is like the least kept secret in Hollywood.
He is generally understood to be a queer man by everybody,
but he never came out. He never came out, but
he keeps. Yeah, I mean, it's generally understood that Pedro
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Pascal is not one hundred percent straight, but that his
fan base doesn't seem to grasp that. It's all what
I kept running into when I would run into these
it was all like high school and college age girls,
which is a little strange because he's old enough to
be their father, right, And they I don't know if
it's because of the game and the and the TV series.
(19:32):
I don't know why he has such a young female
fan base. I mean, he's attractive, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
But he's not twenty. But he's not that young.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And and you know, you get these young female fan
bases on social media and think you look crazy. I'm sorry,
I'm gonna be perfectly blunt about that. And yes, before
you get angry, young male fan base are just as crazy,
but that's not who I deal with in my line
of work. So and I remember one of the things
they said to me was because we would use the
(20:04):
slutty daddy line, and it became this thing about how
dare you sexualize this Latino man? And I mean, okay, well,
I sexualize a Latino man every day for the last
thirty years.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
They shut up.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
And they're very protective of him. It's so weird because
they treat him like this little dove, and it's like,
he's a fifty year old dude. He's fine, He's doing
just fine. The way they run to defend him and everything.
But what struck me about these altercations and these callouts
was that, well, first off, there was a little bit
(20:38):
of homophobia in some of this stuff because you know,
he he kind of is dressing a little queer, yeah,
I mean, and they so all of these young women
are going after his stylist for ruining his quote unquote
ruining his image, and that misunderstand First off, that misunderstands
him because even after he has fired this woman, he's
(21:01):
still dressing in some pretty goofy outfits. And secondly, it
completely misunderstands what stylists do. Stylists do not, And we
run into this on our own site with our own
regular commenters all the time, and we kind of have
to go in and sort of educate people when it
comes up. Stylists do not tell their clients what to wear.
(21:22):
They would never keep a client if that's what they did.
They work with a client to figure out what they like,
figure out what image they want to project, and then
they present options to them, and they use their eye
and their connections to make sure that those options are
trendy of the moment and flattering to them. But they
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cannot make them wear anything. So all that crazy shit
you saw Pedro where maybe she talked him into it
or something, but ultimately he wore it because he wanted
to wear it. Nobody, nobody steps out on a red
car but unless they are some unknown starlet just starting out.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
But no, no.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Star is stepping out on a red carpet wearing something
they didn't want to wear. It just doesn't work that right.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Well, I agree, especially when you're when you're that famous,
you know, you're on that level of fame. I mean,
you decide what you're gonna wear. Now. I want to
explain a few things here when it comes to styling.
I mean, the thing is that she is right, that
she shouldn't be attacked the way she was. Of course,
that it's you know, and she made a very good point,
she says. One of the statements she made on her
(22:30):
Instagram at couch she said, you know, stylers are not dictators,
and that's true. We are collaborators, and she's right. I mean,
do you really think that you can tell Nicole Kidman
or any one of these people, Okay, well you're gonna
wear this. No, they present them with choices and then
they decide maybe together, but the final choice is always theirs.
(22:52):
You know, I'm gonna wear that or not, and they can't.
I mean, and everything is it's very very uh uh
selected in a way that it. I mean, they spend
hours deciding what they're gonna do. I mean, and also
I hear a lot of people saying, why why isn't
she wearing Chanelle? Why isn't she wearing Door? Because maybe
(23:15):
Chanelle or Door don't want them wearing that that There's
also that that people don't know houses decide who they're
going to dress based on what they think should be
best for them. So so not every you know, some
somebody that will kind of represent their their brand, their
their line, or whatever image they have in terms of brand.
(23:37):
So just because you're famous doesn't mean that you're always
going to have a choice of Dior, Chanel and everything else.
I mean, no, absolutely not. You know, sometimes they'll say, no,
I'm we don't think that you know this person is
good for our house or represents us. That's number one.
So but when you're that famous, you have a ton
of choices, and it's it's it's a decision that a
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lot of people were involved. I mean, you know, the
hair people and the makeup people, everything groomy or whatever
you want to call it. All these people make a
decision together. And but you know, the famous person to
your artist is singer or whoever, the actor, the sides, Okay,
I'm gonna go with this or not. So I'm sure
he said, Okay, I want to wear that. I want
(24:21):
to wear those those boots, I want to wear those shorts,
you know.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
And I do want to return to your point, like,
of course she should not. Nobody should be getting death
threats on social media for anything, let alone for styling a.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Star.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
However, I'm ninety nine percent sure none of them were
actual that like literally, I'm going to find you and
hunt you down. It was more in the social media
mode of someone needs to kill that woman, blah blah
blah and listen, that's not acceptable rhetoric, but her turning
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it into actual threats against herself.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Again, Peter Pascal does not want this. He does not
want this story.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
He doesn't want this attached to his name, And yes,
she doesn't deserve death threats. However, if she wanted to
keep him as a client, maybe she should have handled
that a little bit better. Listen, we've gotten death threats.
We've gotten death threats on social media plenty of time. Yeah,
and it's not acceptable, it's not right. But I can't
remember the last time I treated any of them as
(25:27):
if they were serious threats to my life.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I don't even reply to those things exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I don't think she was being and believe me, I
do know that women on social media are you know,
under threat, but this does not This was fandom. This
was teenage and college age girls being bitches on social
media to someone that they wanted to tear down.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
That's all it was, right. I think there's a way
to reply if you need to reply at all. I
have learned my lesson. I remember longst block people a
long time ago. I used to getting to fights with
people on Twitter a long time ago. We're talking about
many years ago. I don't do that anymore at all,
because it doesn't go anywhere that you know, it doesn't
(26:09):
take you anywhere healthy or or safe. Actually it's not
worth it. So I just ignore now. And maybe she
should have done that. But at the same time, I'm
not telling her what to do. I mean, she feels
like she needed to reply, maybe replying I don't know
or not. Some stylists actually have their whole stuff private,
it's not open to the public. But I find it
(26:31):
very interesting that we're getting to this point now that
fans are now attacking their stylist.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I mean, it's like, what, it's stupid, And like I said,
there's a little bit of homophobia in this because what
they just don't like the fact that he's not dressing
like a normal heterosexual leading man their fantasy of whatever.
He's not dressed like Joel from the Last of Us.
You know, he's not in his flannels and jeans. He's
wearing you know, he was wearing thigh high boots at
(26:56):
the Star Wars thing earlier this year.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I I And it's just a little disappointing because actually,
don't get me wrong, we just took Pedro Pascali in
for a little bit of criticism because we think some
of this stuff that he is wearing is a little
gimmicky and looks dumb.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
On him.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
On the other hand, I hate to hear that, for instance,
heterosexual girls were tearing down his style choices because they
weren't sufficiently masculine and attacking a woman for it because
they felt that she had somehow gotten her claws into him.
The whole thing is so reactionary and backwards thinking that
it's kind of it's kind of depressing to dive into.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
It's it's sad that if you're right that she got
fired because of that, that's my take. If that's so,
if that's what really happened, it's it's actually very sad
because you lost your job, you know, because of some
stupidity like.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
That, because you were being you were thinking outside the
box and you were being adventurous with your choices, and
now we got to slap.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
That sort of so that that I don't agree with it.
Formity conformity, yes, but it's a little scary, but I'm
not surprised that, you know, now they're attacking their silence
and it's like, come on, people, fans are out of
control all the time. I see them on social media
all the time, and yeah, you can't disagree with them anymore.
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They you know, you can't say anything negative about whoever
they like. That's the bottom line with social media.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
All right, we've beaten that to death. I think we're
just gonna move into the Emmys. Yeah, I guess, yeah,
us you want or do you want to take a break.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Oh, let's take a break. We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
We're back and we're gonna look at the Emmy nominations.
But you know, we used to do this in previous
podcast years. We would run down everything and start saying
you should have been nominated, what our picks are and
that sort of thing. And well, first off, I can't
do that because there's I hate the nominations this year.
(29:04):
I guess that's what I'm getting down to, is I
really hate the nominations this year.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I hate.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I hate the fact that all of these people in
the Academy have apparently only watched like four TV shows
because those are the only shows that are getting nominated,
or they like.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
A show and they nominate everybody. Well that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, the number of people that got nominated for the
White Lotus is white, frankly, is an embarrassment to the
Television Academy.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
That's how I look.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I'm like you people you just this is hype. This
has nothing to do with performances. This is one of
the most talked about TV shows of the year, one
of the most hyped shows of the year. So you
just nominated and you know, not for nothing. Mike White,
who's very smart, the showrunner of The White Lotus. He
casts big stars, so there are so it's just such
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a temptation for anybody to be like, all right, just
nominate every name that on The White Lotus this season.
And they basically did.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I feel the same way about Severance, you know, like
a fantastic show, but then let's nominate everybody. They did.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
They nominated the entire cast to severans, including like people
like Gwendel and Christy who I'm sorry, no no was
there for five minutes. She was there for five minutes,
and she gave this sort of basic cartoon character. I mean,
I enjoyed it. But that's that is my main takeaway
this year is that, boy, these people really love and
(30:32):
it's really it's down to two shows. I'm scrolling through
and it's like.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
It's all, oh and The Bear. Of course The Bear.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I denominated everybody in The Bear because it's a comedy, right,
all those people are hilarious.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I'm the bear. Oh and then the studio.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Oh right, they had ann because it was all cameos
a big name star, so they had to nominate every
single person who gets starred on that show.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I almost knocked over. And I don't know one person
I have watched that show.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
And actually the fact that Martin Scorsese and Ron Howard
were nominated for playing Martin Scorsese and Ron Howard and listen,
I didn't see the Ron Howard scene. I saw the
Scorsese scene and it was very funny and he was
very good in.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
It, playing himself.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
But I don't think like when and these are the
guest spots. They were nominated for being guest spots.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
And the thing is that is.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
The one category where you can elevate some character actor
or some journeyman actor who doesn't star in shows but
made a really good appearance on a show and deserves recognition.
And you're nominating fucking Martin Scorsese, who doesn't want this emmy.
I guarantee it's not probably embarrassed by the nomination. And
(31:48):
you could have nominated some some anybody, anybody who guests
starred on a TV show other than this friggin TV show.
I'm not gonna sit here and make my picks or
talk about by snubs because there's it's just kind of
too big, Like you just ignored so much to focus
all your attention on four TV shows, and there's so
(32:12):
much television out right now. That's what's so and good
TV and good TV out there. My one major snub
is I cannot get over what they did to and Or.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
And everybody's talking about. I cannot get over.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I mean, Andrew got something like fourteen nominations, but most
of them are technical, directing or writing. The only actors
that got nominated were Forrest Whittaker and Alan tutic and
Lorenzo's looking at me because he didn't watch the final
season and this named me nothing to him.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
But okay, I get it.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Forrest Whittaker's one scene in that episode was everybody talked
about it, that went viral.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
It was. It was a hell of.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
A monologue, And if other people had gotten nominated in
the cast, I wouldn't have an issue with him getting nominated.
But I feel like this is a classic exam There's
this huge cast of and Or, all of whom gave
tremendous performances. Only a handful of those people are actually
well known, like stealin Scarsborough, Diego Luna. The rest of
(33:11):
them aren't that well known, and they all got ignored
so that they could nominate the one guy who won
an Oscar in the CA Because far As Whitaker is
an Oscar winner. It's like you just picked the name
that you knew, right. Alan Tutick is another one who
I don't begrudge him, but he he did a fucking
voice for a robot like and he was only in
(33:31):
like two episodes. The fact that Diego Luna and Genevieve
O Riley got passed over is just it's so it
speaks so poorly right of the Academy this year. And
of course I'm just going on a rant here. It's
it's once again turning very white. It's it's just a
lot of white nominees. There's not a lot of diversity
(33:51):
in the nomination.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I thought we had discussed up before, but apparently not. Well,
everything's reverting backwards, you know, so go ahead, you know,
know I agree. I mean, people were mentioning other shows
that didn't get any nomination at all, and again What
I find interesting is that these are the people. They're
they're peers voting right for the television. Yeah. So, like,
(34:14):
I mean, how can I mean, I don't understand how
you cannot stop and think, maybe, you know, I should
be a little more critical here about my choices, uh,
and not just vote for my friend or whatever I
watched only I don't know it. This is an opportunity
to celebrate somebody who maybe never got nominated or but
gave a great performance, as opposed to oh, the same people,
(34:35):
the same, very famous, you know people that we see
on TV all the time. Yeah, it's disappointed. I yeah,
I get excited a little, But at the same time,
I'm like, it's always the same, you know with this awards.
I mean you know that, you know, they're not just
they're not one hundred percent you know what it should be.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
I just I looked at these nominations and I'm like,
I don't feel like the Academy is celebrating the breadth
and breadth of television. They're just focusing on the biggest names,
the most popular ones, the most talked about shows. I
am offended by those white Lotus nominations. I honestly am
I'm like that entire season, I could think of maybe
two people I would pick. Oh, and Leslie Bibb is
(35:16):
one of the ones that wasn't nominated, And I'm like, no,
she's actually one of the ones I wanted to be nominated.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
It's carry Coon and her. Yes, I would have nominated.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
And Sam Rockwell because that monologue was insane, insane. Yeah,
I understand wanting to give it to Walton Goggins, fine whatever,
or Amy lou would, but then everybody else, Jason Isaacs, Parker, Posey,
come on, that is not an award winning performance.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
That is it wasn't even a great live skit. Yeah, yeah,
I agree. Anyway, poor Patrick didn't get nominate. He must
be it's because like all my friends, all my co workers.
Now I don't his.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Siblings on the show didn't get nominated. I know, but whatever,
I just think I think it's embarrassing that the Academy
is like this, and I have no other thoughts either way.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, but it's sad. It's sad. Like I said, it's
an opportunity to, I don't know, celebrate people giving a
great performance who aren't very famous or haven't won anything before.
But no, you know, it's always the.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Same, always the same. Speaking of always the same, let's
move on to the latest and.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Just like that, Yes, our favorite show. Yeah, why don't you.
I've been done a lot of talking. That's when it
was actually I thought had some potential maybe because they're
covering issues here that these ladies maybe you know, could
go through in terms of like, you know, I don't know,
getting attracted by your coworker, you know, I don't know,
(36:48):
I don't know stuff like that, or the whole I
don't know. The oh Seema thing and with a gardener,
you know, that was kind of interesting, the way they
had their you know, I don't know, they were in
bed and talking about it.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Just struggling so hard to try and find to talk about.
And there's nothing in this episode that was we're talking about,
but I'll help you out. The Sema thing was fine.
I don't know where this is going with her and
this guy, but at least she doesn't come off pathetic
and I'm happy she's having really good sex.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I also think it's nice to actually see these characters
having sex, because this show is very very demure about
that sort of thing, and I kind of miss that.
I mean, this show would be so much more fun
if it was all about, you know, late middle aged
people having the sexiest time of their lives. But instead
they're all wetting their pants and having vertigo attacks and
(37:42):
it's all embarrassing stuff. But so it was nice to
see Sema just having a really hot time in bed
with a hot guy. I mean, you know, you kind
of want that for these characters.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
They can't.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
They're all coming out of sex in the city and
they're all leading such dry lives right now, speaking a
dry Miranda listen. I struggled with this a little bit
because I was like, you know, it would be interesting
if they did a relapse storyline for her as an alcoholic,
especially since her alcoholism was a late in life development.
(38:14):
She developed an alcohol you know, her alcoholism in her fifties.
Prior to that, it had not been an issue for her,
and I could see how, you know, she would start questioning, well,
maybe I'm not an.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Alcoholic, but what is it?
Speaker 1 (38:29):
What they really do not understand Miranda, Like the fact
I can have Miranda questioning her her approach to her drinking.
I can't stand that she's doing it because she's worried
her girlfriend won't think she's cool.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Right, that's the part.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
It's the same thing with the dogs and not wanting
the apartment because a girlfriend has a dog, And I'm like,
who is this Miranda is the one that would have
yelled at any of her girlfriends back in the day
for structuring their lives around who they're dating. So I
don't understand who this person is, right.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
I do like the scene and that particular moment when
she's talking about maybe I'm not, maybe I wasn't, maybe
I'm not, which is an interesting conversation to have because
you question that, especially after a long time you're not
drinking anymore, you know, you have been drinking anymore, So
I thought that was interesting. But doing that because you're
(39:21):
afraid that somebody it It goes back to what I've
always said about the creators of the show. They want
to they want to exploit, I don't know, they want
to explore. Let's put it this way. They want to
explore a situation and then they just pick a character
and they and they don't care if that character actually
fit whatever they want to talk about. So, okay, let's
(39:44):
get Miranda to talk about, you know me, about the
whole thing. Issue with drinking and all that. But they
don't really think about any development. Character development here, there's none,
there's very little. And then and then every one night
because I go online night and I on TikTok everywhere,
(40:05):
everyone is saying the same thing, what are they doing
with this character? This is not the Miranda. Everybody knows.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
She's a complete reversal of the Miranda. And yeah, like
putting aside the queer, Fine, the ship is sailed on
that she is a lesbian. Now she was never attracted
to men. Okay, that doesn't make much sense based on
what we know. But fine, and she's an alcoholic and
okay they that actually wasn't a terrible storyline to put
on her. A lot of queer women struggle with substance
(40:34):
abuse issues, a lot of queer people generally struggle with it,
and this could have been an interesting storyline. But going
to your point about like what are they doing with
these with her, what are they doing with any of
these characters, They don't do anything except have little vignettes.
Yes that never amount anywhere. Because I was thinking of
this last night. Remember when they when Charlotte and Lisa
(40:55):
hired the college person to interview their kids. Right, nothing,
nothing happened with that storyline at zero, Like the kids
cried and they fired that woman, and we never heard
another thing about college. And Charlotte's daughter was dating the
ballet guy and he's polyamorous and now they're not, and
that's the end of that story. There is no story
(41:17):
here in terms of characters. They want to explore certain things,
certain themes, right, and they're using characters for that. That's
what happens every episode. Right, we're going to talk about
these issues here and then we're going to use so
and so and so to tell the story. But there's
no continuity in any of our storylines. And I mean, Lisa, okay, like, fine,
(41:38):
you have a hot guy at work that you're having
fantasies about. This isn't a terrible storyline to have, but
it is not going anywhere. It's just over and over again.
She's uncomfortable and she's in a situation and she's having
dreams and she's trying to have sex with her hot but.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
And everything is resolved in two seconds and then they
move on. I mean, like, all right, she's no longer
interested in him and done.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
I don't think that storylines over well, they would get
on with it, fine, have the have the affair, and
that at least that's the storyline.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I also resent the fact that they these women, you know,
the main characters, they completely forgot their husbands and their
their ex lovers or whatever. Like Miranda never talked about
her husband. It's like he was never important to her
at all. Yeah, and like, what do you think about
Aran never mentions big, yes, big, and forget big. I mean,
(42:32):
I mean, don't even even act.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Like a widow, right, And I don't mean she has
to be moping around, but she she doesn't act like
someone who was married for twenty years, you know what, more.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Important in your life. For several seasons, there were seasons
and seasons of these men, you know, part of your life,
and now they don't. You can't even talk about them.
You don't talk about them. It's just weird. It's just weird.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
And then finally there's Carrie and what the fuck Aiden?
Like when the episode starts and I'm like back with Aiden,
like why do you keep sort of breaking up or
sort of going to your corners? And then he's back
again and he is not interesting.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
The only thing I'll say is that this was the
first time I got the impression that the writers actually
do know how he's coming across, because I mean, that's
the question the big questions does everyone keep asking is
does an anybody in that writing room understand that he
is coming across really creepy and controlling. And the thing
is that scene where they had a nap and they
(43:32):
woke up and she has to go down to be
with Duncan to write her book, and he all of
a sudden starts talking about his kid again and gets
her to cancel her plans. It was subtle, but I
do feel that that was the writing pointing out that
he is being manipulated.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
He's using the kids, I guess to show her. I
think that's what they're going for, but I really wish
they'd have it out because it's making her look very dumb.
You could get away with having these characters get pushed
around by their lovers or their boyfriends or whatever, or
(44:08):
intimidate like what does my girlfriend think of me? What
does my boy But it looks pathetic in sixty year
old women. It just does.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
And that's what I mean about Carrie not acting like
a widow like she is hanging everything on this guy
like it's the only thing in her life. And I'm like,
you were married for twenty years, if anything, wouldn't you
be a little more sanguine about this sort of thing,
a little more laid back. But she's acting like she's
forty and she needs a husband, right, And Miranda's acting
(44:39):
like she's forty and she needs a girlfriend, Like I'm
so worried about my girlfriend finding out a maha alcohol whatever.
Why can't you make these women exciting? That's the thing.
And I've come back to this so many times in
my discussions about this show. You know, when you looked
at Sex and the City that constantly made mistakes, they
were neurotic, they had judgment, and they were shallow, but
(45:02):
the show constantly pointed that out. They were interesting and
exciting and mostly confident women making their way, and that
was the appeal. This time, I can't tell if any
of them see the mistake, Like I can't tell if
Carrie is supposed to see how she's.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Acting or not. Everybody is insecure and worried about boyfriends
or girlfriends, or whether they're young coworkers think they're cool
or what. What I loved about Sex and the City
is that it was so much about the city too.
It felt like it felt like these characters were in
New York as people. I've said this before, people I
knew because that's how New Yorkers are. They have no
(45:41):
time for anything, They have no patience for anything, you know,
And that's why they make those mistakes so often, because
they move on. They don't want to spend time fixing anything.
That was my experience, and that's why Sex and de
City I thought it was so interesting because that's how
those characters were. They moved on to the next boyfriend
or whatever, the next situation. You don't see that anymore.
(46:02):
They all act and everything is so like shallowed. There
is no death, nothing, nothing, nothing goes anywhere, nothing goes anywhere. Yes, yeah,
And to your point about the city, I miss. I
know that they're older and that they're not, for instance,
going out and hitting the clubs or anything like that,
(46:23):
but all of those women were very much into going out,
getting dressed up and going out and that, and I
miss seeing that, Like why don't they go out for cocktails?
Why don't we have scenes of them in bars or
scenes of them in and all we get is freakin'
Anthony's Bakery. That's the only time we see them sitting down.
(46:45):
My favorite thing about Sex and the City again, I
miss Sex and the City so much because of that.
They would go through whatever, and the next day they
would have brunch and they'd go like, ew, is that
what happened? Is that what he did? I don't need
to see exactly that. They're not young women, I know,
but but sit down discusting. At least they were all different.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
They went to an art gallery, so that that's fine,
but it was one of those things where oh art
is weird and I don't understand it and everything, and
I'm like, again, these women are more sophisticated than that. Yes,
that's the thing that I miss is that they used
to be confident, sophisticated women who liked to get laid,
(47:28):
and I don't see any of that anymore. They're insecure.
Then none of them seem to have much sex, and
if they do, it's all off camera.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
I don't need to see them having sex, but I need.
I would enjoy this show so much more if I
felt that these women were enjoying their lives. But I
don't get that impression.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
At all any of them, And some characters are so stupid,
like Paralleopoe's character, what do you say, like, why do
you sometimes have an accent and sometimes don't have it? Well,
forget that.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
If you played it for laughs, I might be able
to get it, But I don't get it, Like what
is the point of this? And I don't care about
Anthony trying to win her over, and frankly, there's something
a little weird about it, because you know, Anthony, your
mother in law's like, what eight years older than you.
It just the whole thing is just weird, and the
way she's.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Acting, I mean, it's just unnecessary. I mean, I'm not interested.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
I'm not would have liked an interesting queer gay character
on this show. And nothing against Mario Canton, who I
do like, but no, they just destroyed Anthony. And you know,
it wouldn't have been interesting to give Anthony a boyfriend
that was some somewhat in his age range, so you
(48:39):
know what I mean. Not that I'm scandalized that he
has a younger guy, but I do think there's nothing
of interest happening there because you know, I don't know.
The whole show sucks and I'm not coming back next season.
There's one more episode, and I'm not coming.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Back one more episode. Yeah, it's just yeah, nothing makes sense.
Everything is treated so lightly, so there's no nothing there
to root for or to get excited to be. It's
the same people wearing very expensive clothes, living very expensive places,
acting silly.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Yeah, I don't mind the expensive clothes. In fact, a
couple of Lisa's outfits this episode, I was amazing. Okay,
that's gorgeous. I don't mind the clothes. I don't mind
the money, like the big apartment, like I want to
see the Grammercy park House. I mean, right, you married big, Like,
go spend the money. None of that bothers me.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Well, Sarah Jessa Perker was interviewed by Andy Cowan. Apparently
she didn't want to say, but I don't know. I
wouldn't be surprised if she goes back to her old apartment.
I think that's the thing. That's why she doesn't have
furniture or anything, Like she's going to give up her.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
And that'll be the dumbest thing. And then dumbest No,
she sold that apartment. She sold it, she did, Yeah,
she sold it to the girl down stairs.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Well, maybe the one above. You know, the apartment above
will be empty or available. I don't know what's going
on with.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Carrie and the guy downstairs the English, right. I don't
mind the guy. He actually is the kind of thing.
I think the show needs more of interesting people for
these people to date. And actually she would be fascinated
by a guy like that.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
I don't mind him at all. Just get rid of
fucking Aiden Man. He is we be mess, controlling asshole.
I never liked the guy, and I like him even
less now.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah, and he makes no sense. The character makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
I'm just tired of hearing When they were in bed
and they woke up and he was like looking at
his phone. I was like, Jesus Christ, if he says
the name Wyatt, I'm gonna scream. I don't give a
shit about this kid, I know.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Seriously. Anyway, Yeah, that's us. We should wrap this up.
I agree, But yeah, that's it. One more, one more
episode and I think we're done, right, Yeah, we're probably.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
I'm not coming back next season because we're just making
the same complaints over and over. And I hear your
kitten's I know some of you love hearing us rant
about this show.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
But it gets the point that it's a job now
to watch this an episode of and just like that,
and that's no fun.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
All right, that's it for us this week. We'll be
back next week with whatever crosses the rights across our desks.
Until then, take care of yourselves, love you mean it.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Bye bye bye
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