Who's Been Coming for Pedro Pascal?

T Lo look at the sudden Pedro Pascal backlash, what's fueling it, and whether it's coordinated. Then they unpack recent stories about Laverne Cox's news regarding her personal life and why her fans are disappointed and Variety magazine's hit piece on "Alien: Earth" star Sydney Chandler and who's in the wrong. And then they pop open the Champagne and toast to the end of Aidan and Carrie on "And Just Like That..."

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:23):
We're Tom Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion Fest.
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Lorenzo is my lovely husband. Hello, how are you lovely?
Very exciting, singing into our microphone. I'm excited like a
couple of pop stars.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Great plans coming up, so great plans.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Oh right, right right, we're not going to talk about that.
We we booked a trip, but we're not going to
tell you about it. We're much closer to it, and
we're not close to it yet. Okay, So we have
much to discuss this week. There was a bunch of
stuff that came up in the last few day and
I was like, all right, let's just jump right in.
I'm sorry, but did I skip over the happy talk?
How are you sweety?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
No, it's fine, fine, No, Are you good? Are you
well rested?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yes? No, I was just going to say, because some
of the topics we were discussing today, I actually came
up to you and said, oh my god, they're talking
about this on TikTok and we were like, yes, they're
talking about this somewhere else, blah blah blah. So it's
kind of like all over the internet right now, most
of the topics. But yeah, I saw some of them
on TikTok and you're doing well, Yes, I'm doing fantastic
Baby always.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Renzos to his twice monthly beard trimming appointment right after this.
I know, I know it is epic beard. That people
actually stop him on the Street's a compliment. They actually
cry with they cry, wee children, weep ah. Okay, anyway,
so we are fortunate that a bunch of topics dropped
into our lap that actually cover a lot of stuff

(01:53):
that we cover ourselves. So the first one I wanted
to talk about when we brought it up this morning,
Sorry for eating heavily into the mic there. We brought
it up this morning on our site when we put
up a post of Pedro, Pascal and Eben Moss Backcrack
the Stars up Fantastic four The First Steps, which opens today,

(02:14):
And we talked about Pedro in last week's podcast about
his stylist, you know, making kind of a fool out
of herself on social media and dealing with some horrendous
backlash from his fandom, and I didn't really get into
this at the time, but in the day's sense, and

(02:35):
this was before I noticed what was happening on social media.
In the day's sense, I was like, you know, I
love that guy, I really do. I'm rooting for him,
but he is overexposed and he has had too many
projects come out in too short a time.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
He's a happy guy surrounded by people who love him apparently,
you know, and so he's happy. You can see that
he's happy on the red carpet. And it's funny because
I noticed certain things, but I kept them to myself.
But then I started noticing on on TikTok people talking
about it. The funny thing is that, let me just
talk about I usually like to read comments because comments

(03:12):
give me an idea of, you know, how people feel
about certain topics. But it's so hard just to know
if it's a real person or bought today. You know,
it's just hard tod they it's so hard. You read
stuff and you don't know if it's a real person
with a comment or yeah, or it's a bunch of
a bunch of bots showed.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Up a great but.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
I could.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
I felt like even before this story was happening this week,
which we'll get to. I felt like we were right
on a verge of a moment where the public was
going to start getting tired of him, and that's through
no fault of his own, although his people should probably
manage how many of his projects are coming out, you know,
one right after another, and you know, some of his

(03:57):
projects have not done well, like the Materialists didn't do
all that well.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
That's true, I mean, yeah, but it's I don't have
to say no to these things, no, of.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Course, but I think if I were if people, if
he has a management team, and he probably has an
A plus probably the best in the business, they would
sort of work to stagger these things so that they
weren't all coming out one right after another. I mean,
the Last of Us just ended a month ago this
although he wasn't in that season all that much, but
he did get an Emmy nomination out of it. Anyway,
I am not suggesting that any of the negative attention

(04:28):
that he's getting right now is deserved on his part,
but I could sense the sort of zeit guy shifting
on him. He's still incredibly popular and that's not going
to change, but I could sense like a growing rumbling
because there's been so much of him in the last year,
and so in the last couple of days what has
happened as the Fantastic Four publicity tour has ramped up

(04:52):
is these people on social media. Lorenzo noticed it on
TikTok and independently I noticed it on Twitter. We're suddenly
making an issue out of the fact that there are
pictures of him posing with Vanessa Kirby and he's touching her.
There was one tweet that went viral because, let's face
an x slash, Twitter is just a right wing cesspool

(05:14):
of just it's horrible. But unfortunately most of the media
is there, so we have to or I have to.
You don't do it. I have to at least scan
Twitter a couple of times a day to keep up
on stories and stuff like that. Anyway, a tweet went
viral because it was some right wing showed who said,
I if any man touched my pregnant wife like that,

(05:36):
but I don't know, some sort of there was some
sort of threat, imply and all. He was standing next
to Vanessa Krby with his hand on her arm. It's
not like he had his hand on her ass. Or
he wasn't didn't even have it around her shoulder. He
was literally touching a pregnant woman's arm. And this went
viral and all of these people went on and on it.
And if you if you look hard enough with almost

(05:57):
any except for the most reserved celebrities, but the kind
of celebrity patro Is Gregarius who likes the publicity, who
doesn't mind being in public, if you look through their
Red Corporate history, you're going to find them touching their
co stars. That is how co stars pose. And I
understand if you're not someone who who looks at the

(06:19):
Red corporate a lot. There are times I have had
this thought myself. I especially think it's weird when female
co stars are asked to pose practically boob to boob,
like they are facing each other, very very close, hands
around each other's waist. I don't think there's anything sexual
in it. I think it's weird. I think it's weird
that they ask adults to pose that way. They also

(06:41):
ask romantic leads of the opposite sex to pose in
a semi romantic manner. That's standard, that has been standard
for seventy eighty years now, but people don't pay attention
to these things until it becomes a thing. I don't
know if you remember. There was another clip that went
viral years ago, maybe two or three years ago, of

(07:02):
Oscar Isaac and Jessica casting at the can Film Festival.
I think it was Can and He. It was charming
as hell. Now they are both married to other people,
but they have apparently been friends for decades, and she's
in estrapolos gown. The two of them looked delicious. He
was in a tuxedo and he raised her arm and
kissed the inside of her elbow. It was incredibly romantic.

(07:23):
The clip went viral, people went nuts over it, and
we got in trouble because I stupidly tweeted at the
time people are misreading this. That's not romantic, they're co stars,
this is just publicity. And then people got really really
mad at me for saying that. But that was my
first exposure to the idea that, oh, not everyone reads

(07:44):
the language of the Red carpet as astutely as we
do because we look at it every single day.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Well, they're doing the same now with Liam Neeson and
Pabel Anderson.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
I just finished writing a piece about that. People are
misery you know what she has been saying something in
public in interviews about him that sound awfully romantic. But
there's a post that's going up later today. It'll probably
be up, but I'm sure it'll be up before this
podcast goes live, where I wrote the same thing, where
it's like, yes, that is kind of romantic and everything.

(08:14):
But in their case, I think people want to say
it because they both had painful backstories and painful romantic
He lost a wife, yeah, and she's had a string
of bad husbands. So I think people want that for them,
and they want that for them because they're an age
appropriate older couple, relatively age appropriate.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
I think people have to remember them most of the time.
These people spend months together, working together every day, and
some of them develop a friendship. You know, I thought of.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Think it's that. I just think it's an act. It's publicity.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
I don't know. But sometimes you're friend with someone, you
haven't seen that person for a long time, and then
you meet them again on the red carpet and you
get excited about it.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
You see that yes, that's true, that's very true.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
And you see that you hug them, kissed them, and Hi,
how are you? I haven't seen you. You know, It's true,
they haven't seen them in a long.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Time, and the act of shooting a movie or shooting
a television show is intense and emotional and intimate. I've
been on It's been a long time, but I have
been on sets where the bonds that you forge are
they can be illusory because you're gonna go away after this.
It's freelance work, but it can sometimes be extremely intense.

(09:27):
So I'm not negating that these people feel a certain
way about each other, but I'm just pointing out that
they're all of what I'm talking about right now are actors,
and they have a vested interest in portraying a certain
camaraderie with their stars. Now, in the case of Pedro Pascal,

(09:48):
I really don't think this is acting because everybody loves Pedro.
You will never find a coworker who has a bad
thing to say about him. They only have the most
glow things to say about him.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
I watched a video with Vanessa Kirby actually saying that
like it, he adorse him. It was one of the
Red Carpets. She's talking and then to get all crazy
about Pedro and she goes like, see we loved it.
We love him. He's great, blah blah blah, and it's true, right,
so he's, you know, apparently a nice guy. I think
they're just coming after him for many reasons. One of
them is because he's been very vocal.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
That's the it. That's yeah, we haven't even gotten to that.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
But not because he's been very vocal about all the
anti trans you know, hatred.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
He came out hard against JK Rowling. I called her,
I think an idiot at one point. He has a
transistor lux who he brings out on the red carpet,
and he's been bringing her out, and.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
I'm sure he does that on purpose so that she
has well.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
I also think she has a budding actress career that
he's trying to.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Right, right, right right. But I think it's it's.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
So clearly turf funded and turf directed, and people on
on on social media. I'm not going to make an
accusation here because I sure as hell don't want to
get sued, but people thought it was one of those
paid for campaigns like Justin Baldoni did against Blake Lively,

(11:10):
or like Johnny Depp did against Amber Heard. They're very effective.
Now you can hire pr people to trash your enemies
now on social media and uh yeah, I'm not gonna
name names because again don't want to get sued, but
I think you can figure it out. He has been
screaming about TERFs and specifically one and yeah, I feel

(11:35):
this is very directed. I think it smells to high Heaven.
But it could just be a right wing freak out
over someone who is popular and trans support.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
And it's amazing. I mean, if you, if you, if
you go to the coming section as often as I do,
you can see that coming. Like it always starts with
like maybe I'm just maybe its just me. But don't
you think that's how they are start?

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Well, they did that with Blake Live.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, don't you think it's too close to the whoever right?

Speaker 1 (12:00):
And like a lot of these campaign I'm sorry no.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
And then that's how the conversation starts, you know him, Like.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
A lot of these campaigns, they're very smart. They they're
based on an already existing public perception. Blake Lively was
already perceived as being kind of annoying and self absorbed,
and ber Heard already had a perception as being kind
of an unstable bitch. Like that was literally the perception
that both of those campaigns traded on Pedro Pascal already

(12:25):
has a reputation of being very, very touchy feeling not
a bad reputation, it's simply that's he His co stars
adore him, because it's the thing. You're going to see
all these pictures if you go, if you look at
these campaigns against him where he's touching someone and it
seems inappropriate, what they're not showing you was all the
pictures of his co stars touching him back. Vanessa Kirby

(12:48):
has been all over him, Evan Mawson backrac was all
over him, and the last one. He's just that guy.
He is lovable, he is there's something sential about him.
Obviously people respond to it.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
He is.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
I think his queerness has implied or understood. Queerness plays
into it because there's a sense that he's just very
open and loving and touchy, touchy. But I don't think
there's anything.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Right you can question, oh, well, you know he's still
a man just because he's gay or queer, and you
know it's closer to the female co workers or whatever.
You know, maybe he shouldn't be allowed to do that.
I'm just saying that's what people are saying out there.
You know, he's still a man and you shouldn't be
touching women like that. Yeah, I mean, I guess, but

(13:39):
I think.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Can I just say something there? That point of view
misunderstands me too, because the point of me too was
not men are not allowed to attuch women. The point
was men shouldn't subject women to that sort of behavior
against their concess It goes down to consent.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
I'm sure he's senses that they are consenting when he
does it, and or maybe Yeah, so I don't think
it's I don't know. I think that's that's what's going on.
But people always have something to say, and.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
It's a combination of a group of people who have
a vested interest in tearing him down, utilizing the public's
misunderstanding of how red carpets work.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Right.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
And I know this because in our line of work
we have come up with the come up against that
so many times. When I remember, what was it two
oscars ago, I tweeted, I think this was during the
Independent Spirit Awards, which is usually the night before the oscars.
I tweeted that a picture of Leonardo DiCaprio next to

(14:50):
killers of the flower Moon. What's her name?

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Oh, I can't remember her name now.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Anyway, he was standing next I'm typing and I'm telling
this story. I'm sorry, I can't. Lily Gladstone, I'm sorry.
I tweeted that he had been standing next to her
at every single event all season long, and that he
doesn't normally do that, and that he was lending his
star power to her in order to get her, you know,

(15:20):
the accolades that she got. A bunch of the thing
went viral and a bunch of people came down. Well,
you know, it's one of those things where I should
have reconsidered even posting about it at all, because it
was a white man. I was complimenting a white man
who was helping a woman of color out. And that's
just people are just going to read that the wrong way.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
That's all the message they're gonna get.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
That's all they're going to get. And it was all
this she doesn't need his help, and blah blah blah,
and I'm like, no, actually she does. He's one of
the biggest movie stars in the world. Every picture of
him is worth more money than any picture of her.
At least at that time, that was the truth of
the matter. He knew that. He knew that if he

(16:00):
stood next to her, more pictures of her would circulate,
because people buy pictures of Leonardo DiCaprio. He's not an idiot.
He knows that. That's the couple weeks ago where was
it where the film festival where he was walking around
with the black cap and the sunglasses and he was
trying to look incognito, and everyone made fun of it

(16:21):
because it was clearly Leonardo DiCaprio. But again that misunderstands
the point. He knows that if they can't get a
clear shot of his face, those pictures aren't worth as much.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
He knows he looks ridiculous trying to hide. It's not
that he's trying to fool anyone that he's someone else.
He's trying to make those pictures not worth any money.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Right.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
This is the kind of thing where I know this,
You know this. People who report on these things all
the time know this, But the general public doesn't. When
they start getting exposed to this stuff, they read stuff
into it that simply is not there or is simply incorrect.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
I'm sorry, Brina, no no, but that I agree gareen
entirely that's pretty much it, you know, and then it
always starts with one comment, one you know, one post,
one something, and then just you know, expands and people
were just talking about something that makes no sense, but
they started the conversation, so they keep going.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Well, I mean, in social media, if you have to
have an opinion on everything, yes.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
You do. You you really do have an opinion. And
if you don't, you still want to voice you're, you know,
parents lack of opinion.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Anyway, Okay, we're gonna take a break here, we're gonna
come back and we have a couple more TikTok is
sort of zeitgeisty stories, and then we're going to do
and just like that, so we'll be right back. We're back,
and we've got a couple more pop culture type stories
to talk about. The next one concerns a Variety magazine

(17:44):
cover story about the upcoming UH television adaptation of the
alien franchise Alien Earth and Lorenzo. First off, why don't
you note why you didn't? It came across our desks,
as these things do, earlier in the week, and we
did not feature it, and I didn't say it because
you made the editorial call not to feature and explain

(18:06):
why we.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Get stuff all the time covers, as you guys know.
And so I got the Variety cover because we've been
getting a lot of them, and they're actually fun because
they're interviewing actors about certain project and so on. So
I was like, oh, great, we'll have a you know,
we'll have something for the site. And then I looked
and I was like, that's weird. It's just a director

(18:26):
in one of the actors.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, and I didn't think they're the lead actress.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, And I was like, oh interesting. And then I
was like, oh, well then I'm not gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, it's not worth feature. So then the piece came
out and it you know it. I don't think it
really went viral, but it it started a discussion. The
lead actress in the series is Sidney Chandler, who she's
actually the daughter of Kyle Chandler, the actor who's you know,

(18:54):
had a career spanning thirty years. He was in Oppenheimer
and she's twenty nine years old. And I'm putting that
out there because when I first read this story, I
didn't know that she was a NEPO baby. And I
didn't I kind of assumed that she was very, very young.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
She's gorgeous by the way.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
She yeah, she's well, her father's gorseeous, so yeah, that's
a beaut of a surprise. Her father is still gorgeous
in his like late fifties anyway, so that the Peace
and Variety was weird. It was written by entertainment writer.
I think he's like their head entertainment critic, Daniel Tadario,

(19:33):
and like the first six paragraphs are all kind of
a takedown of her specifically, and it's detailing all the
behind the scenes wrangling of trying to get her to
show up for a photo shoot that she ultimately declined
to do, offering the explanation that she does she finds that,
you know, it's stressful or I don't know, she it

(19:53):
makes her anxious or whatever. She was supposed to show
up for a photo shoot with her co star Timothy
Oliphant and do one of those goofy videos that they
make stars do now, and I really do feel sorry
for them, where they're either they're playing with puppies or
they're like poising each other about their personal whatever. I

(20:14):
find that stuff cringing because it's so bake.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Let me just say something about it. I hate talk
shows because of that, like the things they make him do,
and Jimmy Fallon is famous for that, you know, because
he has to be the center of attention every every
freaking interview, so it's always about creating this, you know,
sketches and scenes and silly games. It's like that. I
find that so stupid. Just interview the person. But anyway,
that's well.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Magazines have a version of that, and Variety has them,
Vanity Fair has them, all of them do Vogue, They
all do it. Make them do silly things so that
the clips can go viral, and I don't doubt that
most celebrities hate having to do them, and they're completely
acting when they act like this is fun. So she,
you know, she declined to do these two things, and

(20:59):
I I generally felt like this was kind of an
unprofessional hit on Variety's part. And I will admit right
up front, Daniel de Dario, I'm sure he doesn't even
know who the hell we are, but he he tweeted
a couple of snide comments about us over the years,
and then he ultimately deleted those tweets.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Oh, I didn't even know.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
And he's kind of been on my shit list, but
I'm not here to take the guy down. I do
think his writing tends to be more cynical than I prefer,
and it doesn't. It just doesn't work for me. So
I kind of went into it ready to defend her
from the big, mean entertainment journalist. But then I started

(21:37):
reading into it and seeing some of the reactions other
people were having to the story, and they were calling
her out, and I think I've actually changed my mind
on this. I thought Variety and Daniel Daria were being
a little vindictive and unprofessional by making the first six
paragraphs about how difficult this actress is. And you have
to understand if Variety does a piece and to vote

(21:59):
six paragraphs to how difficult and unprofessionally you are, that's
a hit. Variety is like, oh, number one trade magazine,
and she's not that well known, so it felt like
a hit, and they.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Must be very pissed at her before not showing up
or doing the same, not defending them, just saying they
must be upset with her.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
I think that's why it went It didn't go viral,
but why it provoked all this discussion was because it
did seem strange to devote all this time, and it
seemed very personal in a way that bordered on an unprofessional. However,
once I realized that A, she's well aware of what
this industry entails because she literally grew up in it.

(22:40):
And B she's twenty nine. She's not some ingenu She's
not some you know, twenty one year old that doesn't
know what she's You know, it's all too much, you know,
in other words, like it's not the Chapel Roone. You
can't use the Chapel roone. Excuse here about her youth
and her inexperience. She's not either of those things.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
And it is slightly different, I have. Yeah, it's slightly
different because red carpet is it's a zoo, you know.
And I can't understand you being intimidated or attacked by
all these photographers yelling at you and tell you what
to do. This is a little different.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
This is sort of like a standard.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
This is a photo shoot. First of all, you walk
in and you treat it like royalty. You know they're
going to take care of you and make sure everything
is okay. And then you walk and you walk in
and you know, you take pictures and all that. So
I think it's a little different now that we're talking
about I'm gonna I'm gonna post this today the variety.
You should, Yeah, I am going to post that today.

(23:37):
So so I think it's a little different. And again,
I yeah, it's it's complicated because I feel like, I
don't know, these people are voicing more and more their
lack of interest in doing their job, you know, for
various reasons.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Publicity, I'm sorry, if you have a TV show, publicity
is everything precient every job.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
That's the reason. Why do you think do you think
actors like doing the Red Car? Most of them hate it.
They do it because it's good. We talk about the movie,
we talk about the TV show.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
You know, it generates buzz.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yes, you're out there, you out there, and that's why,
you know, it becomes a thing you have to do it.
But and then I understand, oh, I don't have experience.
You know, I'm a little I'm comfortable doing that, but
it's part of the job. You still have to do it,
and you you have to find ways of dealing with

(24:34):
that if you want. I mean, it's like, I don't know,
it's like a doctor saying, you know, operating on you
and then and then the nurse comes and says, you know,
the doctor, it's a fantastic talker, but he's he doesn't
he doesn't feel very comfortable talking to the family after
the searchery. So it's like, there are certain parts of
your job that you have to do.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Us is not a small part of that job. Like
I said, this isn't you know, You're not doing a
small independent film or you know, a theatrical production or
anything like that. You were doing a television show, which
means millions and millions of dollars were invested into this production,
and it was expected and probably contractually obligated that you

(25:14):
needed to do things like this. Plus any television show
would freaking kill for a variety cover story. Yes, and
the fact that she would sort and I mean read
the piece. It does come up like a hit piece.
But she wasn't very professional. She kept them waiting, she
canceled at the last minute.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
The article starts with Mr. Her agent Texas, She's coming like, right,
it's this really bitchy article.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
It's bitchy. Daniel da Dario's writing is a little bitchy,
and but she was unprofessional and in retrospect, like taking
it all into consideration reading comments that I saw on
social media and stuff, this is kind of covering their
ass for Variety because she's the actress, she's the lead actress.
If she didn't appear on the cover, people would be like,

(26:04):
why isn't she on the cover? Why is she being
cut out? And they had to explain it immediately.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
The conversation would be wired, did two male on the cover? Right?
What happened to herts?

Speaker 1 (26:14):
So, yeah, you've got to explain that, And maybe they
did it in a vindictive way. I think they did.
She did leave people hanging in a very unprofessional way.
If you're canceling a photo shoot at the last minute,
what do you think is happening to the hair and
makeup people that were hired to take care of you.
Are they going to get their full fever the day

(26:35):
or not?

Speaker 2 (26:36):
And again I understand because I for Superman I on
TikTok was out of control, the actor doing all these silly.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, they really made them up.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
To the point that I stopped watching them because they
were like just too much asking them.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
I saw one with Rachel Brosnahan and she was so
clearly completely bone exhausted and she was trying so hard
to be perky, and I felt so bad.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
But I know, like they have to do all kinds
of stupid things and ask you know, they ask each
other questions and blah blah blah. They're promoting the movie
and and some of them. You know, some people are
good at it and they have fun with it. Some
people don't like it. I kind of understand all that.
But to be honest, I can understand some of that,
and and you know, some of it you can say
no to. But but the cover of Variety.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, that's I I now, I'm sorry. That's on professional.
That's that is unprofessional. And if you if it causes
that much anxiety for you, then I don't know, maybe
you're not in the right line of work, Like maybe
you should be doing small indie productions that don't get
a lot of press.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
The people on that show would be would kill any show.
I'm sure her producers were pissed at her to be
on a cover of any show, any show.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
I originally took her because she's a young woman in
the entertainment industry. She's drawing boundaries. That's a good thing,
and that is a good thing. But you know, there's
also professional consideration involved as well. And no, I don't
think she acted professionally at all. And she's not well known.
This is her first real big break, so why would
you screw it up like that? It just it's such

(28:12):
a strange story to me that I couldn't help having
an opinion on it as it unfolded.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, it's it's complicated, and I you know, she might
be you know, shy and doesn't like that kind of publicity.
But you're in the business where you have.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
To don't agree to do show you literally show you faith. Yeah,
don't agree to do photo shoots and then canceled the
last minute.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, don't agree to them. You just have to do
these things. And or maybe that's not for you. And
you know, I'm sure you father very rich. You probably
don't even need a job, So I.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Don't know about that.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Kyle Chandler is not you know, we're not anyway.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
My point is that there you can do other things.
I mean, listen, I understand, and at the same time, I,
you know, I kind of like roll my eyes because
we have been off of so many things, you know,
in the past, especially when Boggers were like the most fatal.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, such a big deal anyway, So we got offered
nobody else.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
We got offered so many things, and we turned them
now because it wasn't us. We knew what they were.
We specifically asked what we were supposed to do, you know.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah, we were now. Yeah, just a couple of years back,
we were asked to do one of those live stage
podcast shows, a very popular one where we would be
on stage in a theater, you know, doing rapid fire
podcast type stuff. And we both were like, no, no,
I'm sorry. I've done stuff on stage. I've done Q

(29:41):
and a's and stuff like that, but we're not entertainers.
I'm a writer. Like, I don't see myself as an entertainer.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
So and as it is, I struggled with the podcast.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
It's true.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I mean, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
I know that once we took that leap into this
form of media, it did change the perception of us
and we were seeing more as personalities than we used
to be before, because your personality comes through unlike in writing,
which is a little there's a wall between you. So
I understand that, but I still don't think we're you know,

(30:14):
and the thing is, your father was entertainers. Your father
is an actor, Kyle Tandler. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean
you understand what you were saying. My father now her father.
You know what the job entailed. I mean, you know
what you're supposed to do. Yeah, I mean you can't
be surprised by any of this. So saying no to
the problem with say no to these things is that

(30:34):
you say no to a lot of You say no
on behalf of a lot of people that need a job,
that need, you know, something, a career. They're working on
their careers and so on. So it's not easy. It's
not easy, but you know, it is what it is.
She's not on the cover. She's not on the cover.
But I thought it was interesting, and I think that

(30:56):
the backlash is slowly starting to I've seen a lot
of articles about her last day or two, and I
think it was a mistake. All right, moving on, Yeah,
all right, let's move on to and we're going to
do this very short, very I said that to Learns.
I'm like, we can talk about this, but we are
keeping it short. We just mentioned the name Laverne Cox.

(31:18):
Love you, Laverne, been supporter of you from day one.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Listen. I was in tears listening to her talk about
being a trans woman in one of the documentaries on Netflix.
I forget the name of.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
The I think it was called Disclosure.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yes, Disclosure, fantastic documentary. Please watch it on Netflix if
you want. Literally in tears listening to her talk about
being the trans woman and you know, and her journey.
So I'm on jicktok and all of a sudden she
appears and people are fuming, and I'm like, what is
going on? So she has a new show, right? Is

(31:53):
that a stand up comedy kind of thing?

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Why do you do this to me while the mics
are on?

Speaker 2 (31:57):
I can't remember?

Speaker 1 (31:57):
But anyway, she bring questions.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
She has a new probe. Let's put it this way.
She has a new project. And of course, you know,
they say things so that their names are out there
being you know, repeated many, many, many times when they
have a new project. So she she.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Has a one woman show girl? How did I get here?

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (32:15):
There you are the most laburne cock sounding thing I
ever heard.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Listen. I love her. I think she's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
He's an icon.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
In fact, I blazer right. She is a queer activist.
She has said amazing things sometimes I listen to her
talk and she really knows what she's talking about. So
it was very disappointed to me when to a lot
of people, well, anyway, I can only speak, you know,
on my behalf, so anyway, So I mean I can

(32:44):
only speak, you know, I can't talk or I can't
speak for everybody. Anyway. My point is that I was
listening to her and I was really disappointed because she
was talking about how she dated this blonde, blue eye
mega republic can.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Guy cop cop cop cop cop front white maga cop.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
From New York City, and then and then that she
dated him for four years, then she realized that it
was a mistake, and then they broke up. But gets
better anyway, I just saw this little thing. I just
saw this little thing, and people complain about it, and
I mean it was all a little of TikTok, and
I was like, all right, I always like to get

(33:28):
more information before I formed my opinion. So I was like,
let me listen to the whole thing, because sometimes you
get just one, you know, one little clip, and it's
not enough. I watched the whole thing, and it's just
as disappointed because she goes on and down about she
dated this guy for four years and then and she
still loves him. And and she's twenty eight and he

(33:49):
was twenty eight. She was twenty three or twenty eight
something like that, and she was forty eight. I can't
remember the exact date. I think he was twenty three
and she was forty eight, which, you know, that's something
else that people also talked about, like how much older
she was. But anyway, that's that's another point. But then
she went on and on about you know, she didn't know.
She doesn't like to and I quote her here she says,

(34:14):
I don't like to dehumanize people.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
That's why he probably likes to dehumanize you, honey.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
So you know, people make mistakes, people go through things
in life. You know. I don't want to be too judgmental.
I just wish she had never told anyone this. It's
one of the things in life that you do and
then like just don't don't don't don't tell people.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
I think that's what I find objectionable. I cannot find
that objectionable that she dated someone that I don't approve
of for her, And let me just say to our
perhaps white siss had listeners out there. I think the
the The animus between black people in America and law

(34:59):
enfforcement is well documented. It's little black Lives Matter movement
is based on that. But you should also keep in
mind that the cops have long been for one hundred
years the enemy of trans people and queer people, generally
the enemy. There's an ongoing and has been for years,
argument in our community about whether we should be allowing

(35:22):
like divisions of police officers to march in our Pride
parade because it sends a really bad message that the
cops were the ones that were beating us and keeping
us from living our lives. So since you can obviously
have an alliance with them, but maybe not celebrate them
as part of the community, because no, there's too much
history there and it's painful. There are still people alive

(35:45):
who remember being beaten by cops because they're visibly queer.
And of course I don't have to mention that there
are plenty of black people in America who have had terrible,
terrible encounters with law enforcement.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
I just want to correct my information. He's twenty six
and she was forty. He was finished six, she was forty.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
EXO, Well, I'm sorry, I lost my train of thought.
My point is that I don't think it's my job
to no pun intended police who she dates. Even with
those factors, in consideration that socially, culturally, politically, the police

(36:25):
have not been allies to so many aspects of LaVerne's personality.
But putting all of that aside, she's free to live
her life. And there are plenty of very very liberal people,
very very queer people who have had relationships with very
conservative people, if not people who were outright campaigning against them.

(36:49):
There's a long history of that. I'm not even going
to get into it. But the fact that she publicized
this story in order to publicize her show, and that's
the part that I'm like, And she says gross, this
is gross.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Because she says in the video, she says, if you
want to know more about this, go see my show.
So clearly you just.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
You're monetizing it.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, it's a rage bait here.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, And and I don't think well of her.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
The thing is that I was really disappointed because listen,
I can I can sort of understand if you have
any sort of relationship with someone that different from you
before the pandemic, I can kind of I'll give you
a personal example, one of my best friend, best best
bed friend, uh was a someone who thought differently of things.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
But I kind of accepted who she was and let
it go because she was my best friend. Helped me
a lot. I helped her too. It was the best relationship.
But then the pandemic happened, The tea happened, you know,
the tea guy happened. All that happened, and she changed
dramatic to the point that we're no longer friends and

(38:03):
I and I and I miss her a lot. I do,
But it was the best decision for the two of us,
because I can't imagine having any kind of relationship with
someone who thinks so strongly differently. You know, I can't.
I just can't. I mean, she if you watch the video,
she is all enamored, still enamorated with him when she

(38:25):
talks about he's a blonde hair blue Eyeding's digmatized mega
Republican voter who is a New York car I mean,
the way go watch the video. The way she says
that line is just wow, it's it's mine blowing And anyway,
I just think it's too much. I don't know, I mean,
I can see you dating and having a relationship a husband,

(38:47):
boyfriend or whatever who thinks differently. I don't know when
it comes to I don't know, pizza toppings or or
where you vacation, know, any kind of stuff like that.
I mean, we certainly have our differences, but I could never, never,
ever have a relationship. I don't care how gorgeous the
man is. You know that that is basically voting for

(39:10):
to you know, remove everything that is dear to me.
I mean no, I mean to strip every right, every
everything that I have, you know somehow. Yeah, it's just, yeah,
it's it's tough to talk about it, but it's very
disappointment at the same time, because you know, you want
to respect the person. It's her personal life, but it's
her personal life. But when you come out and tell

(39:33):
that story to everyone out in public, then you know
it's no longer just your private story. I mean you
you clearly wants to share it. You want to share
this with everybody, and yeah, it's a horrible story.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Actually, yeah, I'm disappointed in her, but and less for
what she doesn't in her personal life, which I don't
care about, and more that she is monetizing this problematic
story and using it to publicize her work. So anyway,
we're going to take a break and we're going to
come back. We're going to tear into Carrie Bradshaw once again.
We'll be right back where back, And now we're going

(40:07):
to talk about the penultimate episode of season three of
and just like that, where things actually happened, actually one
thing happened, and then the rest of it was just
a bunch of non things happening. Do you want to
talk about everyone other than Carrie, because that'll take all
of thirty seconds.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Well, let's talk about Charlotte and her husband.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
I'm offended. I'm sorry, I am offended. I'm not that
I'm not that far off from their age, and to
turn the both of them into like these doddering doddering
pants wedding falling over I'm like, this is not I'm sorry,
it's not. This is not my life or anybody, or
the life of anyone I know in my age group.
It's the life of people twenty years older than us.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
And it's and what's the point, I mean, what's the point, oh,
silly old people?

Speaker 1 (40:55):
And I don't know, like it's inevitable that you can
compare this showed to sex in the City, and I
just feel like Samantha's cancer storyline, it actually won awards
at the time. I don't think it's perfect the way
it was handled because it's twenty five years later, so
everything's going to age a little bit, but it was
she was allowed her dignity. Samantha was allowed her dignity

(41:18):
in illness, and they actually found humorous moments within that.
And it was remember when they were all sucking on
lollipops and she was like, yes, cancer is hilarious.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
The whole thing with the nun. Oh at the nun
exactly like having a hard time getting an appointment in
New York, even if I mean, you have cancer and
you can't get an appointment type of thing, right because
nobody cares.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Her whole storyline post cancer was getting her orgasm back,
and it was actually a very touching story that tied
into the themes of the show. But now it's like, oh, no,
he's got cancer, so let's have him wet his pants
and constantly talk about his gigantic balls and treat the
whole thing like humor. And I'm not saying you can't
make getting old or illness funny I just didn't think

(42:04):
these were such lame ass jokes, like wetting his pants
and she's falling over all the time, and that's the joke.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
I know, the cancer isn't enough, so they're gonna give
her something like what?

Speaker 1 (42:14):
And I think that scene in the bedroom where he
can't walk and she falls face down on the floor,
I'm like, you know, I am fine with this show
exploring your aging bodies, but it doesn't do that. Carrie's
walking around in Stiletto's post hip surgery. I mean, they're
not going to do that.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
And the worst part is that that that's it for
the episode. That was their scene.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
That was their entire storyline, And I'm like, what, nothing
about nothing about anything? And then Lisa Todd Wexley's storyline
is that her husband's on a diet. That's it. That's
the whole fucking storyline. Like what is this writing? That
is not writing. There wasn't anything funny, there was anything illuminating.
It was just my husband's on a diet and he's cranky.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
I mean, I don't even know why they bother hire
those kids. You know, it's children.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Well, the cast is too large, but it is too large.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
I mean they just it's they're always in the kitchen
and ye have one word.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Send those kids off to prep schools. And yeah, let's
break up a marriage or two, let's get something.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Interesting out seriously, and this endless documentary that never happens,
you know, it's just like, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Yeah, I mean she I gotta give her credit. She
has like this unbelievable editing suite, this gorgeous editing look
at her, but and she shows up to work and
I don't care about that. I don't anything that gets
them out into the world and away from stupid things
like arguments over pasta stupid not funny shit. Just as

(43:42):
an aside, there was a brief scene and they couldn't
even do that without making me cringe because Andy Cohen
walked through it. But there's a brief scene where she
goes to a shoe, you know store, And I turned
to you and I said, I think this is the
first time we've seen her shot for shoes since the
show started. And this is what I'm talking about. Who
are these people like that was so foundation, They're so

(44:05):
worried that they're going to make her look shallow, But
you have stripped her of everything that made her Carrie Bradshaw.
So now even that scene, she's like, oh no, I'm
just walking through it. And then she didn't buy anything,
And what happened to the Hello lover girl? You know,
why aren't there scenes like that?

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Right?

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Anyway, I didn't want to get off on Carrie, but
not yet.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
We'll talk about her a little later.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
My point in bringing her in early was just to say,
when these characters are out in New York doing things,
I'm a lot better with when they're just you know,
tottering around their apartments and having I don't know, stupid conversations.
So anything happening with Lisa Todd Wesley at work, it's
not exciting, but it's better than anything happening in her
ridiculous apartment.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
It just did nothing happen that He talked about his
campaign non stop and we see nothing.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Nothing like shouldn't she be going to advance?

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Why don't we see that?

Speaker 1 (44:56):
You know, that's a story, that's a real story.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Right, maybe fighting because she she's too devoted to her
documentary and.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Where she's dressing too extravagantly. The campaign about these I'm
right or something? Story now co storylines here, some story.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
About her and not supporting him, and then you're not
showing out from my advance kind.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Of something anything, anything. I mean, he's running for office
in New York City as a black man. You can't
come up with a storyline there. So now it's he's
gonna go on ozempic.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
That is so shallow, right, But again they have to
bring all the things there are kind of like, you know.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Well, someone has to say ozempic because you know it's
a buzzword.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Do exactly all the buzz were all whatever it's been
talked about out there, So we have to bring that in.
No matter how we're going to insert that, but we will.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Seema, oh, Sema, Seema. They can deny this all they
want on this show. Oh no, no, Sema wasn't brought
in to be a Samantha. Uh you know stand in
that was a total Samantha story.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
That was one hundred percent written for Kim Cattrall. And
I gotta say nothing against Srita Chatdery, who was wonderful,
but Kim Cattrall would have slayed a ship out of that.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
I love how we go from I can't afford uber
to oh I have savings and this is.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
My one, but I'm adding more about the deodorant.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
I know, but well we got to. My point is
that they don't even follow a line.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Right, Like she had to get rid of her driver,
but then she has this palatial office that she absolutely
doesn't need.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
I'm using my savings for the what okay, uh the
deodorant saying my god.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
It was just dumb. But like I said, Kim Catroll
would have made a meal out of that. Been hilarious.
That line, I will say, it was cute where she
said I've seen this woman, I'm not this woman.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
I know.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
That's actually funny, especially there are hints every now and then,
and this episode was probably the best where every now
and then you're like, all right, I can see it,
I can see what this should know could be. Similarly,
Miranda scene with her girlfriend I actually thought was lovely, yes,
and it and grown up because the girlfriend clearly has

(47:05):
her issues and it's not like we hugged and made
up and everything's going to be fine. It's like, no,
this is the new thing that the two of you
are going to need to navigate together, and you're both
acting like grown ups.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
And Dolly is an amazing actor.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah, I thought that was the character's name.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Now Joy is her name?

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Oh is it? Okay?

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yeah, Joy is her name. They have great rapport, they
have she and she's good. She's good like in that
very British sort of way. I love her character. She
understands her boundaries, she she she knows who she is,
but she's still interested in a relationship.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
And she's funny, which helps funny this.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Uh yeah, I do like her, and I think since
it's getting is a little better. I think navigating her
new relationship, well.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
They've remembered that she's an actual grown woman who has
stories and trauma and you can not make her act
like a fool. So re exploring her sobriety is interesting
to me and I don't mind that at all. Didn't
mind that scene. It had some meat to it. Also,
her apartment's really cute. And then, oh, Anthony, my god,

(48:13):
that scene was silly. First off, I was a little
surprised that he lives in such a small apartment, only
because they don't depict apartments like that on this show.
Everybody has such palatial apartments. I was a little surprised
to see that it was small. I don't know they
tried to make something out of it, but ultimately he

(48:35):
and Patty Lapone are too close in age and too
alike for that thing to work. It didn't work for me.
Like she's supposed to be this you know, worldly Italian.
I don't know, professor or whatever she is, but in reality,
Patty Lapone is much closer to Mario Canton and you
actually got that at the end of the scene where

(48:56):
she dropped the accent.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
I think Patti Lapone is so horrible the show that
that that it makes me question if she can really
do stuff off broad I've.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Seen her act. No, she can act. It's a bad show.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
But it's just so bad, man, it's really really bad.
And oh god, the accent is just the whole way.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Well, at least he made in front of the accent,
and he did point out that it was a fake accent.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
I know, but the whole thing is horrible.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
It's I don't it's it's not horrible, it's just not
funny and not particularly interesting. I mean, has his boyfriend
said more than ten words all season long? Is he
an actual character or just a cute guy with a
big dick?

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Well, yeah, and to be honest, I don't see those
two together.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
I don't either.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah, I hate to go there, I will No, No,
they don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
It has not to do with age or how they've
written these characters. And that guy, that young guy, would
not go out with someone like me. He might go
out with a distinguished older man, but I don't think
he would go out with someone like that.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Now I don't buy those two together at all.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
But have we done everyone seem much?

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I think I think pretty much everybody. So now it's
Carrie and eight and I mean, god, I'll.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Say this, it was the best writing for the till
of them since the show started. Or Carrie had some
good moments when she was still excuse me, morning, big,
but it's the best writing for the two of them,
you know, all season long, and for most of the last
season as well. I felt like every moment was earned,

(50:24):
and it at least because one of the things I
kept saying all season long was are they deliberately writing
him to be such a problematic boyfriend? Or do they
not understand that he is such a problematic boyfriend? But
she got her say at the end, and she was
able to point out that you've been a problem all
along and I've been trying so friggin hard. What I

(50:46):
liked about that scene was we've seen them break up
two times before, and they were these very heartbreaking, you know, moments,
and this was sad, but again, I felt like, this
is how sixty year old's break up. It's sad, but
neither one of you were going to make a fool
out of yourself over this, and they each got to
say what they needed to say to the other one.

(51:08):
She was angry, but she was in control of her anger.
I just thought it was one of those rare moments
where I'm like, I'm fine with all of this. I
hate that you spend so much time on this relationship,
and I do think her constantly bending to him didn't
make her look all that good, but it ended well.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
I think Here's what I think. They wanted to bring
the actor back, so they had to create a story here, and.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
It was a bad story.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
It was a bad story, poorly created, written, and it
just didn't make sense, you know, because Carrie at this
point in her life would have looked at him and said.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Nope, I'm not wasting my time.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
On episode one, it would be like nope, exactly. But no,
they had to drag this guy, you know, throughout the
entire season, so that because we knew it was going
to hit at some point. I knew, but it's like,
all let's and then it's just he's acting like an idiot.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
But he has a history of doing that, so I did,
like I said, I felt it was earned.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
I know, the whole thing with the family and the kid.
My god, if I heard that kid one more time.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Anyway, I'm glad she actually brought it upright, she actually said.
And then there's the whole family thing, which I tried,
but come on, that's a lot.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
The running is just bit. I hate the way that
this miss John you know, big like you can. It's subtle,
but it's there when she says, oh I treated I
I what it was something like I betrayed him with John?

Speaker 1 (52:32):
It was really really bad, like you itad.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah, But my point is that John is a horrible
person now because AKA the actor Chris you know North.
So let's not go there. But anyway, that's what it is.
Now we have to bear make sure, make sure forget
that character forever. We're never gonna mess this character again.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
And it's a disservice to her because Carrie or the
carry that we knew, the carry that pursued him for
six seasons and then married him, and then you know,
she would have mourned that many She would have mourned
him for a good while. And they were so they
wanted to carry, you know, twirling through the city in
stilettos and tapita skirts with a man as soon as possible.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
She fought an entire show to be with that man,
and then he died in a horrible way.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
You know, they should have opened up the show where
her he died a year ago, right or something like that.
That's how they should have opened it.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
I'm not saying she should be wearing black and crying
all day at home, but no, if.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
You're with someone for twenty plus friers.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Right, yes, are there ways you can talk about him
without sounding like you know, he doesn't exist anymore?

Speaker 1 (53:37):
It or should have come up with Aiden, Aiden knew him,
they disliked each other like that should have come up
at some point as an acknowledgement of their history. In fact,
I liked this episode because it finally did acknowledge what
their history is. Their history is actually problematic as hell,
Like last episode when Miranda kind of talked about it,

(54:00):
and she was like, well, Aiden and I have twenty
years together. And I was like, no, that is a
complete rewriting. No you don't. You had eighteen months together
where you were awful to each other, and then twenty
years went by and that again. I guess the writing
there was supposed to support the idea that Carrie was
in like a slightly delusional mode, but it was never

(54:23):
clear throughout the episode that the writers were aware of this.
So it and I'm not saying that it was subtle.
I'm saying it was inconsistently applied, and especially that scene
with Miranda last season. Now, I get they're all older. Now,
they've known each other for forty years. They're not likely
to erupt into arguments like they were twenty five years ago,

(54:45):
so I understand why she papered over that quickly. But
I was like, no, I think Miranda would have called
her out on this, right, Miranda would not have backed down.
Miranda would have called her out and risked a bigger argument.
I agree, And that's where the writing fails, because there
is no one in the story saying this is problematic
without immediately getting shut down. Somebody should have been allowed

(55:08):
to say. Remember, Anthony had to do this whole thing
apologizing for her, afraid he was going to get cut out.
Maybe they'll address that in the final episode. That Carrie
was difficult this season, but it was so subtle and
like I said, inconsistent. I doubt I doubt it. I'll
just take this moment for what it was, where the
writing was good, it was supported by the character history,

(55:30):
and the two actors were actually good in the scene.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Right now, she's going to start a relationship with the
writer downstairs.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
If she starts next episode with that, yeah, I'm sorry,
that's silly. She will look like a flighty jackass. I
wouldn't be surprised if they want to start that off
next season. Fine, but going from one man directly to
another man at your age, come on, come on? And
I don't mean sleep and like ahead, sleep with a guy.
But if she jumps into an love match right after aiden,

(55:56):
like come on, no, yeah, I mean it used to
be a feature of the show. There's two really kind
of famous scenes where Charlotte says to them over a diner,
you know, maybe you're word you know each other's true

(56:16):
loves and guys can just be the nice things that
we get to have fun with. And then there's the
scene with Big in the final episode where he says,
you guys are the loves of her life and any
man would come Sack would be lucky to come second.
That was the driving. It was the friendship. It was
not oh my god, I need to be paired off
and there's such a knee.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
I mean, all these things could be interesting. The writing
is absolutely horrific and sloppy and horrible. I still remember
and I laugh every now and then. Remember Charlotte into shower, getting.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Annoyed, getting and washing her hair and getting more and
more annoy That's how you.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Do a scene. Me. No, I never forgot that because
it was hilarious. The more the more she thinks about it,
the more know what you get?

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Why she's taking your shower?

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Come on?

Speaker 1 (57:00):
I remember Sex and the City after she cheated with
Big the first time, and the next episode she's like
walking down the street and they flash to scenes and
she stops and she fringes, and I'm like, that is
exactly what it's like when you've done something wrong. Yes, yes, yes,
the show was good. It was observational. It had more
to say than just love love love and getting old sucks,

(57:23):
and it just had more interesting things to say. And
the ironic thing is, at the time it was panned
so much for being such a shallow show, and now
they've turned it even It's like they they were like, oh,
all right, you're gonna call a shallow, Well, we're just
gonna be as shallow as possible.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
I think the great thing about the about Sex and
the City is that it talked about sex in such
an intelligent way.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
You know, yeah, I mean, my boyfriend has some funky
tasting spots. That's intelligent.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
I mean, oh my god, that's creative and intelligence. Yeah,
I think, so funny, intelligent, creative. You have none of
that now, Yeah, So you just have these characters I
don't know, collecting their paychecks anyway.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
That's it, collecting their executive producers, collecting their paychecks. And
and yeah, they don't care if if the character sounds
like what they used to sound like or whatever. All right,
so we'll be back with the final episode of and
I mean I see Her. Unless they really really stick
the landing in some incredibly shocking way, it will be
the last episode we will be recalled.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
I'm just glad that the cat's still alive.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
I mean, I for that cat. Today they wouldn't do that.
But I gotta say, that's another moment where I'm like,
she's walking around holding that cat, and I'm like, I'm sorry,
I love cat and I know SJP and Matthew Broderick
have a lot of pets, but Carl Bradshaw would not
have a cat. I'm sorry, she would not have a cat.
Anyone who has couture would not. I mean no, I'm sorry, No,

(58:56):
it never made sense. You're trying to. It's again, it's
like when Miranda came a lesbian. You're just turning the
character into yourself because you're much more comfortable at this
stage getting a paycheck and just playing yourself. So now Carrie,
you know, worries about teenagers and carries a cat around that.
I'm like, and she never goes shoe shopping. Sudden, that's
you know, take her shoe shopping. Fucking have a Cosmopoltan.

(59:18):
You're allowed to do that when you're sixty, It's okay.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Spend the money of the husband you can't remember anymore, right,
you don't want to.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Name exactly well she spent that on that place, which
is slowly kidding good yeah, great garden.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
I know.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Anyway, let's wrap it up. We'll be back next week
with whatever cross the rise across our desk, including the
final episode of the season three event Just like that.
Until then, take care of yourselves, love you mean it,
but by