December 19, 2023 • 47 mins
Ever wondered how the power of hypnosis could unlock a more confident you? My guest Joshua Peters from X Factor Hypnosis joins us to unravel the science of hypnosis, showing it's not all about swinging pendulums but rather about tapping into the subconscious to rewire the brain.
This episode is a deep dive into the profound personal changes that can occur when we harness this focused state of relaxation to interrupt anxiety and fear, developing the kind of confidence that once felt out of reach.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Hi, natalie.
I'm excited to be here.
I am so excited to have youeveryone.
Welcome my guest today.
This is going to be exciting.
He takes people from self-doubtto unstoppable by helping them
to reduce anxiety, buildconfidence and overcome fears in
a very unique way.
If you've not been here before,I'm Natalie Webster and this is
(00:24):
Tonka Talk, where we share theways people create community and
create connection.
My guest today is Joshua Petersfrom X Factor Hypnosis.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I love it.
Thank you, Natalie.
I'm really, like I said, I'mhappy to be here and speak with
you and your peeps.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, if anybody.
While we're doing this, wedecided to go ahead and do this
live today.
If you have any questions, goahead and just throw them up in
the chat.
I have a million questionsmyself about this.
I know very little abouthypnosis beyond what I see in
the movies and television.
I think of the stereotypicalwatch my watch swing while you
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are getting sleepy and somethingtells me that is not what you
do.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
No, I don't even own a stop or a pocket watch.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
How would you describe what it is that you do?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I think of myself as a coach first and foremost.
I kind of approach my work inbasically in a three-step
process.
One of the things that I do,and one of the most important
things, is I'm going to teach myclients a bunch of different
tools.
The thing is that they can doreally consciously to interrupt
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whatever those patterns are,that is, are getting in their
way.
A lot of times I'm working withsomebody with anxiety or with
some different types of specificfears or phobias that are
getting in their way.
These tools are designed, then,to help them interrupt those
automatic responses, kind oftake you out of I think of it
like a fight-or-flight responseinto a calm response.
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That's one of the things that Ido.
But then, if you talk abouthypnosis, that's what we're
talking about here.
The next step is really to getat what's the unconscious
programs that are running, whatis underneath here that is
driving the behaviors, thebeliefs or the habits that's
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happening the way that hypnosisdoes that.
We use words, we usevisualizations, we use directly
speaking to the unconscious mind, metaphors, storytelling
there's lots of ways to do that.
It's mostly just through mylanguage, speaking to my clients
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, and they're giving feedback.
I'm not taking over their mind.
I'm guiding them and gettingsome more like a coaching
process.
In the end, it's really very,very simple.
There's neuroscience behind it.
Can you touch?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
a little bit on that in a way that I can track and
understand.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
This track we talk about the problem that alone
activates the neurons that areconnected to that problem.
Think of it like this If you'rehaving tell me about one of
your most happy childhoodmemories.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
That would probably be on the beach at my grandma's
house in Hawaii, where she lived.
She lived on an awesome beachwhen I was little and I just
loved going there.
That's where I learned how toswim in the ocean.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I can see in your response you're connecting with
that moment.
You're connecting with thosefeelings.
That's activating the neuronsrelated to that particular time.
It brings up the feelings.
We talk about the problem whichactivates the neurons in the
problem state Not what I justdid with you, but a similar
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process.
Then we use all these differenthypnotic techniques to send
those neurons down a new pathway, pathway of calm, a confidence
of peace of mind.
That's how you rewire the brain.
That's the neuroscience behindhow all types of change work,
actually work.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
What is it that adds that step of hypnosis, like
you're saying when you're havingthis conversation and I'm
tracking with you on how thenthat rewires the brain.
If you're talking about things,if you're with a client and
you're discussing things thatare troubling or upsetting
things from their past, are yousaying that as you address those
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things and go through it, wouldyou call that in a hypnotic
state, or what does that looklike?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
It helps, I think, to consider it, to take the word
hypnosis away, because that hasboth positive and negative
connotations to it.
It's really what we're talkingabout here is a trance state.
We're going in and out oftrance states all of the time.
In fact, you're probably in alittle bit of a trance state
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doing this recording becauseyou're on.
When you just pop back to thatmoment at your grandma's at the
beam, it took you into aparticular state of
consciousness.
That's what we're talking aboutyour different states of
consciousness.
A hypnotic state ofconsciousness tends to feel
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pretty relaxed.
It's a focused state ofrelaxation is how it's often
described where you now haveaccess to this deeper part of
you.
Call it the subconscious mindor the unconscious mind.
We don't even really know whatit is.
We know it works.
Exactly how it works is alittle bit different of a
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question.
What it seems to me is it takesyou into a more focused, relaxed
state where I can say positivethings to you now and you're
going to really hear them atyour core.
You're going to maybe have anexperience connecting with a
younger version of you.
That's going to make a hugeimpact on you.
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You're going to see yourselfgoing through a situation where,
in the past, it used to show upwith the challenge, but now it
shows up where you're showing upthe way you want to, thinking
the way you want to think,feeling the way you want to feel
.
We're building up this pathway.
We're thinking of it like afuture memory.
We're building up how you'regoing to be Now, when you're in
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the situation.
The pathway is already thereand it becomes the default.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Wow, it really is not this hocus pocus kind of thing.
This is actual science.
Yeah, we're learning more aboutbuilding these neural pathways
and different treatments andtherapies that people do in
order to do that.
It seems and correct me if I'mwrong that that is really kind
of the new cutting edge way ofaddressing things like trauma,
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but even what you're talkingabout with anxiety and those
types of issues that rewiringour brains.
Wasn't it before?
We didn't even know that thatwas possible.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
There's been so much advances in neuroscience even in
just the past, in the past 10years, but even in the past five
years we haven't even reallybeen able to measure how the
brain is working until veryrecently.
So now we can see in the brainwhat's happening in a meditation
, what's happening in hypnosis,what's happening in all these
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different states, likephysically.
What are the what are, what'sfiring in the brain where before
we couldn't, we couldn'tmeasure that, we were making
guesses.
So now these things that youcould see results happening but
nobody really knew how it wasworking or why it was working,
but it worked.
Now we're able to measure thatand have a much better ability
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to really pinpoint these things.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
So when you're working with someone and if
they're looking at something youknow, like when you ask me a
question, that was a verypleasant thing to go ahead and
remember and recall.
If someone dealing withsomething like anxiety that they
know is, you know, tied back tosomething previously in
childhood, the way that youguide them when you're in that
trance state, is it easier forthat person to connect with
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those memories.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So, first of all, if they have a really traumatic
memory, I am not going to goback and make them relive it,
because there's lots of ways toactually to do this.
So if I think of somebody thathas a say they had a traumatic
experience, or I like to thinkof them as past experiences,
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just because that's what itreally is and we're labeling it
as a traumatic experience, butit's really just a past
experience.
So somebody has this pastexperience that left an impact
and now they're feeling anxiouswhen they're in situations that
are sort of similar to that.
Yeah, because this pathway isthere, what I would do, rather
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than going back to that memorylike we don't have to go back to
the memory to activate theneurons All we have to do is
talk about the last time thatthe anxiety happened, and that's
enough to light those up, so wedon't actually have to go into
traumatic events and relive them.
I don't want you to have to dothat.
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There's a lot of ways to gothrough these kinds of processes
that don't require us to fullyactivate a hugely traumatic
experience.
There's no need to go throughthat again if we don't have to.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
That makes a lot of sense, especially given how much
science and things have changedwith what we've learned about
how the brain works and how youcan actually rewire these neural
pathways.
It kind of reminds me a littlebit of cognitive behavioral
therapy with the reframing Inother ways too.
I was talking with my sisterthe other day who's doing
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ketamine infusion therapy andrewiring the brains.
Can you tell me?
I was looking on your websiteand it was, of course.
Now I'm forgetting what it wascalled psychedelic integration.
Of course that got my attention.
Psychedelic integration.
Tell me more.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah.
So psychedelic experiences canbe very life-changing.
That's why people are doing theketamine.
That's why psilocybin isbecoming a very much looked at
therapy, because whatpsychedelics do is they create
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this huge ability ofneuroplasticity in the brain.
Your brain starts to make allof these different connections
in ways that it hasn't donebefore.
It makes it very, very flexible.
A similar thing that hypnosisdoes, too, is it opens you up to
a neuroplastic type ofexperience where things can
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start to make new connectionsconform.
Yeah, with psychedelics thatcan last for quite a while after
you have the initial medicine.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I've heard of that People with PTSD even doing
these studies with mushrooms andhaving the benefits way after
taking the actual medicationslash drug itself Right.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
It's not a medicine that you take every day to a
typical anti-anxiety medicine.
It's kind of like shutting downemotions and feelings so that
you don't feel the anxiety.
Sure, if you have psilocybin ormagic mushrooms, it's going to
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create new pathways so thatthose old pathways have anxiety.
They just aren't even workinganymore.
It's a very different idea,very different way of doing the
healing.
That's kind of what that does.
Psychedelic integration.
What I've noticed is a lot ofpeople will have these really
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powerful psychedelic experiences.
It's almost like they put themin a box.
Okay, well, that was there Over.
Here is life.
Then, when you're done withthis, you kind of go back to
life and fall back into the samepatterns and things.
You may have had some amazingideas and inspirations and
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wisdoms that came out of this,but they're not getting applied
into life.
What psychedelic, what hypnotic,psychedelic integration is, is
just using hypnosis.
We're not using the medicines.
This is for somebody who'salready had an experience.
We're using hypnosis to takeyou back to that moment, to slow
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it down, because a psychedelicexperience can feel like all
this stuff has happened and justsoot too fast to really be able
to catch it all.
So we go back, we slow theexperience down, we just pull
out what is the learnings, whatwere the lessons?
And then we take those lessonsand we apply them in your life.
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Now, what I've noticed doingthis with clients is they might
have some other kind ofchallenge in their life that has
nothing to do with this, but aswe apply this over here, it has
everything to do with it.
Wow, and they're gettinginsights, they're getting wisdom
from this thing that might havehappened years ago and they're
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getting it now and utilizing itnow in their experiences now.
So it's just, I'm veryinterested in trance of all
types, including psychedelicsand hypnosis and breath work,
all the different ways that youcan create a trance state, and
I'm just fascinated with how wecan use these different trances
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to really empower ourselves.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, can you talk a little bit about how using these
type of techniques and what youdo relates to you know?
When you talk about anxiety,let's just kind of start there
with anxiety how maybe this typeof treatment or hypnosis not
necessarily psychedelicintegration but the idea of you
know doing what you do andworking with the people that you
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work with.
It's so amazing to me and I'veseen this happen, like I've seen
, like I said, my sister's doingketamine infusion therapy for
her PTSD from growing up andbeing an occult that we were
both in and left in adulthood,and she's had a lot of struggles
, and especially with anxiety,to the point where it was even
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hard for her to leave the house.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
And she tried.
She had done so many differentforms of therapy and though it
helped her, it didn't seem toreally kind of get on top of
this anxiety.
And she tried differentmedications and some she still
takes too.
But this ketamine infusiontherapy I don't even fully
understand how it works butalong with what you're saying,
with it rewiring and opening upthose pathways, her anxiety
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level went down tremendously andI was shocked at how quickly it
happened.
It just seems like this isreally the way to.
You know so much of it.
So many people.
We deal with anxiety and thesefears and it gets in the way in
daily life with what we want todo, what we want to be, what we
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want to create.
Can you kind of give someexamples of you know kind of how
the all my examples go back to?
I was in a cult.
How can you help me deal withthat?
But if we get a little moregeneral right in terms of
anxiety, how that can helpsomebody that may be struggling
with anxiety because of theirpast or where they came from.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I'll give you a couple of different examples of
clients that I've worked with.
One of them is he's a comedianand he was having trouble going
on stage and giving trying newmaterial.
That was his anxiety, was hewould?
He wanted to try new materialand so he would plan to do it.
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He'd have it all written outand he'd go up on the stage and
he'd go back to the old stuffthat he knew was going to get
laughs, that he knew was goingto work, and he kept.
He was getting reallyfrustrated with himself.
As we started to work together,it got really clear that this
wasn't just anxiety showing upon stage yes, that was kind of
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where he was really noticing it,but he was dealing with anxiety
in a lot of areas of life.
So we taught him these tools.
We start with the tools.
That's the best place to start,because now you have something
you can do and the tools they'reinterrupting the pattern, but
they're also helping to createthe new pattern.
So we start with those tools.
But then there's things thathappen in life that you know
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it's kicking in the balls,exactly, and then we make
something up about it, like wemake up about make something up
about ourself or we makesomething up about life, and
then we why that happened?
Yeah, then we act like it's true, and a lot of times this
happens when we're kids.
And so we are living now forthe rest of our life with the
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belief that something is true,based on what a four year old
had, with the resources of fouryear old had at the time.
And we can go, our people gotheir whole lives holding on to
those you know, not those falsebeliefs, as if they're true.
So with the hypnotic work youcan, you can release that stuff,
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you can let that go, you canrevisit a moment in life and
give that version of youeverything that they actually
needed in that moment so theycan go through it differently.
Now, it doesn't mean that wecan, obviously can't change the
past, but when you do that, itremoves all the charge from that
situation.
It just made, it just was now,it just becomes something that
happened.
It becomes like he said.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I'm meaning to it.
Yeah, a past memory versus atraumatic experience.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
And in fact, it can become an empowering memory,
Well framed in the right way andwhen you and when you re
experience it in a new way,right.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I got to wrap my head around that one, so it's
fascinating.
So you're saying, like thesedecisions that we make about
ourselves, who we are or howsomething is based on things
that happen to us, like yourexample of the four-year-old,
and in that moment you makedecisions and you have feelings
about who you are.
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We carry those throughout ourlives, still kind of stuck in
that, through that four-year-oldeyes.
What you're saying, with thistype of hypnosis therapy, with
coaching and how you do it,you're opening up the pathways
but then also giving peopletools to have another way to
look at it.
But by going through theprocess you're saying then they
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could look at these things andit wouldn't be just such this
heavy thing, because sometimesthey're really hard to look at
and it's amazing to me to thinkthat it can't.
You know, like what you said,that hit me hard, like when
we're children going throughthese things, how they stick
with us.
I'm going to just read acomment here.
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Jennifer says hey, y'all howyou.
Hey y'all how you.
Darlings, oh, I love that Doingtoday.
This subject has always beenfascinating to me.
I'm surprised there isn't morefolks here.
You'll get a lot of plays afterpeople get home from work.
I bet.
I bet too.
Thank you, jennifer, and foreveryone who is with us, if you
have any questions, go ahead andput them in the chat, cause
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while we have Joshua, we may aswell ask and get all those
questions going.
So by all means, send in yourquestions.
Rio for life, this is fantasticinformation.
Thank you, we hope you enjoy it.
Nancy, working and lurkingthat's my favorite thing to do.
That would be multitasking.
What else can you share interms of?
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Are there any type of tools,anything that you can share now
or that people can utilize tokind of, you know like, put a
toe into this to learn moreabout it?
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, there are a couple of really simple things,
and you know I'll usually one ofthe tools I usually teach my
clients is a type of breath workthat can take you marketing
wise.
I call it the two minutebreathing exercise.
That eliminates overthinking,cause it can really do that.
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It literally will take twominutes to do this process and
it can change your life if youmake it into a practice.
It's a.
Can you show it to me now?
Yeah, I mean it's simple.
I'll give you as a gift for yourlisteners.
I've got two gifts, and thisisn't.
If you go to this website rightnow, it's not gonna work.
But give me an hour and it willbe working for you.
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So just go toxfactorhypnosiscom, slash, talka
, talk and it will take you to aplace where you put in an email
and then it'll give you thesetwo free gifts.
So one of them, it's a breathingexercise.
I'll tell you what it is rightnow.
It's called the four, seven,eight breath and it's essential
of it is it's a four countinhale, a seven count hold and
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then an eight count exhale.
So if you think about it, it'sreally like a quick, deep inhale
and then a really long exhale.
Now there's some things thatmake it best practice, but
that's the essential.
That's the opposite of anxiety.
Breath right.
Anxiety breath is usually short, shallow up in the top of our
lungs, yeah right.
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And this is the opposite ofthat.
This is a technique that willcalm your mind and it'll take
you out of a fight or flightresponse, which is what an
anxiety response is down to,kind of an into an alpha state.
So an alpha state is like alight meditation or like a
daydreamy kind of state Betweenawake and asleep flow, kind of a
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state.
That's about what an alphastate is and that's the best
place to come from when you'redealing with any kind of
challenge in your life.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
So you're saying even something that simple if we
find ourselves in a fight orflight and really anxious, can
kind of help to bring the noisedown, yeah, and quiet things,
and is there a way?
I'm curious about this I don'twant to get too technical
because I want to be able tounderstand it, yeah, but I'm
curious as to what is thatcorrelation between, you know,
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breathing and slowing down ourbreathing and slowing down our
mind at the same time, Becausethey definitely seem to go
together.
And I know when I'veexperienced anxiety and I've had
a couple of panic attacks andit just that I mean you hit the
nail on the head the way youbreathe is so different.
It's almost like you can't getair.
Just this, ah, ah, ah kind of athing.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Breath is the only automatic part of our body, an
automatic part of our nervoussystem, that we have any control
over.
We can't control our heart rate, we can't control our sweating,
our temperature.
I know that Right, but you cancontrol your breath.
Now what people forget is thatthey can control their breath
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and what tends to happen is ouremotional state shifts our
physical state.
But our physical state can alsoshift our emotional state.
So by slowing down your breath,that starts to slow down your
heart rate, that starts to getyou out of your head back into
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your body where you're present,because when you're in an
anxiety state, you're notpresent.
You're spinning down made-upstuff, what-ifs, worries, all
those things, making up storiesabout what's about to happen or
what might happen or what didhappen, and digging into it and
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really feeling into it.
And I'm just feeling it andforgetting that we have some
control over all of that,because you were able to access
that positive memory, just likethat.
We can do that in those momentstoo.
If we can interrupt the pattern, if we can interrupt the
automatic response we can takeout that's a great way to make a
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change is, when you findyourself in a spiral, interrupt
it, use the breath technique andthen think of a moment when you
were just happy and go into itso that you can really feel it
in your body.
That alone is going to rewirethose neurons.
Because, if you think about it,what we did was we activated
the neurons, we changed stateand we sent the neurons on a new
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pathway.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
That's the change work right there, that makes
sense.
Nancy Alley has a question.
During this therapy, is there achemical response when you
bring people back to an eventfrom the past?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
So well, I'm not measuring that in my office and
I don't know how much of achemical response there would be
when I'm taking, when I wantpeople to kind of bring up that
memory, I'm only doing it enoughto get those neurons activated.
So I'm not going to takesomebody deep into a traumatic
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experience.
If we did and they got throwninto fight or flight, yes,
they're going to have adrenalineflowing through them.
They're going to have thestress hormone cortisol is going
to be flowing through them.
They're going to be filled withthe cocktail of chemicals which
is what happens when you're inan anxious response.
So I'm not trying to get thatdeep.
I want to bring you just enoughto get the neurons activated,
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but not to go into that fight orflight response.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Which is so amazing because in the past traditional
therapy has really been thatkind of let's go dive into these
and relive these memories.
I know that when I startedlearning about neuroplasticity
and being able to rewire yourbrain, I found it so fascinating
and helpful and I actually hadneurologists two neurologists at
the University of Minnesota notsuggest but tell me that they
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now know these things can bedone, and especially with people
with trauma in their past PTSD,a lot of anxiety and depression
and it just blew my mindbecause it was a little
overwhelming at first.
Because at first they're liketherapy and really feeling your
feelings and processing thesethings.
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Because in my situation they'dasked me if I'd ever been in the
military because what was goingon with me and the way it was
physically affecting me.
They often see in veteranspeople who've done multiple
tours of duty and I hadn't saidanything about growing up in a
cult yet or anything like thatUsually my opening with a new
doctor.
So then I told them a littlebit about it and they're like,
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yeah, and those things need tobe processed.
And the first thing I thought itwas I don't have the time or
the energy to go back and relivethese things Cause I wasn't
understanding exactly what theywere saying.
But they were basically sayingwhat you're saying here.
The science behind it has moreto do with activating the
neurons and giving them newpathways when it's not necessary
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to heal from this to have to gorelive the whole thing.
Well, that got me super excited.
Jennifer says I suffer fromchronic pain and I have
fibromyalgia and CRPS and I usecolor therapy literally coloring
Me too, girl.
I use pencils and other thingslike breathing techniques.
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What do you recommend for pain?
Ooh, that's a great question,jennifer.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
So there are what I would suggest.
As far as pain is a couple ofthings.
If you don't have a meditationpractice, I would start some
kind of mindfulness practice.
First of all, Something elsethat's been really helpful for
some of the pain clients thatI've worked with, and you know,
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this is this doesn't work foreverybody.
I don't know if this will workfor Jennifer or not, but
consider calling it instead ofpain oh, I just lost my word
Call it.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Kind of like how you were talking about too, with
these past traumatic experiencesand referring to them as past
experiences.
Yeah, because you, as you workthrough it and you rewire and
you send these neurons somewhereelse, that there's truth in
that, Because there's thingsthat I can even look at in my
past, where some not so much,but there are some that
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definitely at the time and laterI thought, oh my gosh, that's
massively traumatic, I don'twant to look at that, and then,
through different work, was ableto look at it and then talk
about it, and I think sometimesthat's why I'll.
The more people that I got toknow outside of my cult I grew
up in Scientology and left.
As I got to know people outsideof that I would share, not in a
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way of like, oh, here's thistraumatic experience.
I would just be like, oh yeah,well, this, this, this happened,
but, very matter of fact, andthe look on their face told me
this is not normal.
I almost had the oppositeproblem, in a way of not
recognizing certain things asbeing undesirable or traumatic
(29:57):
because I was so used to stayingin a ride or flight, yeah, yeah
, so do you think with pain?
It's similar in those ways ofhow we're framing it.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Well, if you think of it as how much pain am I
feeling today, your brain isgoing to go towards okay, look
for the pain, how heavy is it?
So, if you shame I can't thinkof the word I was trying to come
up with, but I've got adifferent one instead.
So, instead of how much pain amI feeling, ask yourself okay,
what's my level of comfort today?
(30:28):
Ooh, I'd be a one, and that'sokay.
But just by doing that, you'reshifting.
What are you focusing on?
Are you focusing on the pain orare you focusing on the comfort
?
Whether or not it's, at, youknow, a one or a 10, doesn't
even really matter.
It's the, it's the reference,the frame of reference that
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you're using or the lens thatyou're looking through in that
moment.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Is that because because I definitely believe we
get what we focus on, but doesit follow that type of universal
truth of we get more of wherewe put our attention, to our
attention only on the pain, verymuch like that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
And also, if you're like, for instance, don't think
of a pink elephant, what's thevery first thing you do Think of
a pink elephant, think of apink elephant?
You first have to think of apink elephant to put it away.
So if you're like saying Idon't want to feel pain First,
your, your mind goes okay,what's pain?
Okay, let's not feel that, butyou first had to grab it to
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figure out what it was beforeyou could let it go when.
If you're like, I'd like tofeel some more comfort today,
what's comfort?
Like, yeah, that's what I wantmore of.
Right, so it is.
It is, yes, what you focus onis what you get more of, but
it's also like how the brainactually works to with language.
So let's use language to ourbenefit.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Can you give me some examples of that?
What you mean by that?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Well, that was an example right there.
Another example I see from alot of people is they talk about
like if I was a client and I'mtalking about my anxiety or my
pain or my OCD or whatever it is, they they're.
It's almost like they they'reowning it, they're claiming it
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as theirs.
But it doesn't have to betheirs, doesn't have?
You don't have to claim it, youdon't have to like hold on to
this thing you don't want sotightly.
So it doesn't mean now I'm notsaying that you're not
experiencing that, but if youstart to just shift it from my
pain to the discomfort Iexperience, or my anxiety to the
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anxiety that I'm feeling, it isdo you see the difference in
how that, how that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
It's kind of like how we you know people used to
refer to autistic childrenversus children with autism,
like just kind of switching thewording there.
So you're saying going fromsaying my pain and the and all
of the anxiety, all of myanxiety, switching that to the
pain I experienced or theanxiety that I've experienced.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Yeah, yeah, language is powerful.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
That is really interesting.
Is that a large part do youfind of what you do, really kind
of reworking the languagearound it?
Speaker 1 (33:21):
It comes up with nearly everyone, and sometimes
it's around that Sometimesthere's some words that we use.
I think of them asdisempowering words like have,
to need to, should, would, could, even wants to.
All of those are implying thatyou can't have the thing, yeah.
(33:43):
And you know, or you're goingto rebel against it, or
somebody's telling you you needto do this, and I always think.
I always say well, you knowthat's what your dad says.
And how well does that work?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
But how's that working for you?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
So you'll always say so, ultimately, really, we make
choices and everything that wedo is a choice that we make.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Now Jennifer says yes , you frame it different.
Thank you, I get what you'resaying.
Well, it's hard to do when yourdoctor wants you to do pain
scoring in a pain journal.
I understand that.
I think the pain journal ismaking it worse.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, right, tell them.
Uh, I'm not going to do a painjournal but I'll do a comfort
journal, right, yeah, I wouldsay one of the biggest that that
pain scale thing that doctorsgive is, in my opinion, a very
bad way to help somebody movepast pain.
It's a hypnotic suggestion.
(34:41):
Doctors are not going to haveanything against doctors.
But I don't think theyunderstand the power of their
words.
I don't think they understandhow deep of an impact the things
that they say can actually meanto their patients.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I think you're really right.
Do you think that science iscatching up today and medicine
is catching up more with thatconcept of that?
The words that we use are verypowerful Because I feel like
I've heard these concepts in youknow, in other, when you learn
about meditation and other typesof work, but I'm hearing it in
(35:20):
the medical community now.
That's what really blows mymind is everything that you're
saying.
I've heard from at least threedifferent neurologists and every
single one encouragedmeditation, which really made me
take another look at it,because these are neurologists,
I mean, who are really goodneurologists too, and a part of
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this, their healing process withneurological issues and what
was going on with me is thattype of thing.
And what you're saying about thewords is so interesting because
the whole system and, asJennifer was sharing too, it's
so set up to reinforce thosethings and I know often I've,
(36:06):
luckily, fortunately, I found areally good primary and I like
my neurologist now too, and theyreally kind of have more this
point of view and I found I gotdramatically better in going
going along that route and doingthat reframing work and
realizing and recognizingbasically what you're saying,
that these aren't things that Ihave to hold on to or that I
(36:29):
even necessarily need toexperience that it doesn't.
You know, I think this was aquestion I had.
As you go through the process,do you see with your clients,
does it get easier to work thatmuscle of being able to control,
you know, kind of get theseemotions back under control and
manage the anxiety?
Is this something that overtime gets better?
Speaker 1 (36:53):
It both of those things.
So typically I'll give you anexample of I mean, this is a
relatively simple one, but sayfear of flying.
So that's an anxiety, yeah, anda lot of times the way that it
shows up is for weeks ahead ofthe flight.
The person with that fear isthinking about it, is worried
(37:15):
about all their checking theweather.
Is this going to be a?
Is there going to be a storm?
Like how am I going to managethis?
Figuring out how they're goingto take some medication?
Maybe they're going to fly aday, a day ahead of their
meeting, so that they'll beclearheaded when they actually
meet people.
But now they've got to add acouple of days on the like.
There's a lot that goes intothis and they're right.
(37:38):
So what?
And so let's say we've donethis work and I always I require
somebody with a fear of flyingto have a flight before we're
done working together to makesure that we've cleared it up so
that if there's anything elsewe need to deal with, we have
the opportunity to still do that.
But what typically happens isthey they're getting closer to
(37:59):
the date they're noticing okay,that's interesting, I'm not
feeling that anxiety that I usedto feel I'm kind of excited
about this trip.
Okay, and they're, and they'realmost they're like waiting for
the anxiety to show up.
They go to the airport, theyare in the line, they're, they
get to their, all the thingsthat used to happen just don't
(38:22):
happen and they come out of itcompletely surprised.
So that that can.
That's a good example of kindof in the moment, but a lot of
times anxiety because it's alittle bit more like that's a,
that's an on-off kind of a of ananxiety.
Either I have the fear of flyingor I don't have the fear of
flying.
In a more generalized sense,what tends to happen is you
(38:44):
might go through an experiencewhere in the past you had the
old anxious feeling and you getthrough it.
You don't even realize untilhindsight that you got that you
showed up differently.
So sometimes it's just, it justhappens.
Usually, through the time thatI'm working with somebody from
week to week, they're goingthrough experiences where in the
(39:09):
past they they didn't show upthe way they wanted to and now
they are yeah, or it's halfwaythere.
They did pretty good, it wasless of a challenge, and every
one of those, the way I like toapproach this is finding those
specific moments in time, right?
So that's how you access theneurons by a moment in time.
(39:31):
So if you tell me I am alwaysanxious, there's nothing to hold
on to that.
That's a nebulous cloud and Ithink about it kind of like a
tabletop.
So anxiety is this tabletop andif we try to just smash the
tabletop we're going to breakour hand.
But the legs are what's holdingthis thing together, and the
legs are.
Last week when I went to thestore and that person said that
(39:55):
thing and it triggered me.
That's a leg, that's a momentthat we can now reframe, go
through like literally shift.
How do you want to be goingthrough this and make that new
experience real, bringing up theneurons, sending them down a
new pathway and chop down thatleg.
We do that enough times and thewhole table just falls apart
(40:18):
and then it doesn't affect youanymore.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
So it's like karate, kid swipe the leg.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Something like that.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Now can you?
One thing I'm wondering abouttoo, because I don't have a, if
there's kind of a simple answerto this what are neurons?
You know, I've used the wordneurons and all this stuff, but
I realized like I don't really.
I don't really kind of knowexactly what that is.
Is there like a?
Speaker 1 (40:46):
lot of impulses.
Okay, so they're like a brainand they're connected through
what's called synapses, whichare like spaces between them.
So that's how that's.
A pathway is neurons connectedto neurons through synapses in
the brain.
So when you say pathway, or arut or pattern, or however you
want to describe it, that's whatwe're talking about.
(41:07):
Is these neurons in the brain.
There's tens of thousands,probably hundreds of thousands
of neurons in the brain, butthey're also are only a certain
amount, which is why the brainlooks for those pathways,
strengthens the ones that aregetting used, weakens the ones
that aren't getting used.
It's always trying to recycleand trying to be efficient,
(41:29):
trying to be effective, but itgets.
The problem is it doesn't know.
Is this pathway letting youthrive or not?
It doesn't really care, it'sjust trying to be efficient.
So, is the pathway getting used?
Well, let's strengthen that.
So what tends to happen isanxiety, whatever or whatever
right fear, whatever it is.
It starts in a maybe a veryspecific area and over time,
(41:52):
because it's getting used, it'sgetting stronger, it starts to
spread across life in differentways.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
That makes so much sense.
It just really seems so muchmore simple than it is, but I
think that's kind of the truthof it.
But I'm so thankful that modernmedicine and scientists
catching up to how our brainswork and how we can actually do
this, because you're saying thebrain doesn't know the
difference.
It's just looking for a clearpath and one that's strong, and
(42:20):
it'll make it stronger.
So if you're using a path, theresults in behavior, actions or
an outcome that you don't wantbut that's what you're focused
on the brain will reinforce byputting those neurons on that
path Correct, and then the otherone that might be the more
desirable one.
So now it makes more sense tome, too, with what you're saying
in terms of how words matter.
(42:42):
The words that we use currentlydo make a difference, and that's
something that I've thought.
I've learned a lot about thatmore lately and I've been
fascinated with it, because youhear like well, you know, you
shouldn't say I have this orthat, as if that's like you know
, I'm holding on to all thesethings that I don't want, but
change your wording around it,which gets funny because when
(43:03):
we're kids, sometimes you know,teachers would say well, you
know, just try to refocus you onsomething.
Refocus you on something,something that's different.
It's absolutely fascinating tome.
I'm going to make sure I putthat link in the show notes
after where people can go to getthose those two items.
Can you share about that again?
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah, so the link is xfactorhypnosiscom slash
TonkaTalk and there's going tobe two free gifts in there.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
I'll do it now, but it will be in a little bit.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I'll do it.
As soon as we get off this callI'll set it up.
So the first one is thatrelaxation breath, that relaxed
breath that I talked about earlyon, and I've got a video that
walks you through it.
I've got written instructionsthat walk you through it, give
you some of the best practicesand kind of let you have the
experience, tell you it, tellsyou how to best use this in your
(43:56):
day.
That's one of the gifts.
The second one is a hypnoticguided meditation.
It's 10 minutes long and ittakes you into a relaxed state
in just about 10 minutes.
The idea behind that is therelaxation response.
Just going into a relaxedresponse starts to activate
healing in the body.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
So is that why we feel so much better often when
we're on vacation or you go upto a cabin, you go to a beach,
you go to a lake, you changeyour environment and I think
with most people we immediatelyjust kind of melt.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
And you just get into where you relax.
Is that why?
Speaker 1 (44:34):
And then that's certainly one of the reasons for
sure.
Like, the nervous system hastwo parts.
It has the sympathetic, whichis fight or flight, and then it
has rest and digest.
That's parasympathetic, andthis rest and digest.
That is where we want to be.
That is going to let youfunction at your highest level.
(44:55):
It's going to give you the mostresilience so that when you're
even in a high stress situation,if you're coming from here,
you're just going to just beable to respond the way you want
to, in a calm, relaxed way.
That's going to be functional,instead of the automatic
reaction where you're anxiousand you're not even really
functioning anymore.
That's fight or flight, that'sjust survival.
(45:17):
I got to get through this orI'm going to die.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
It really puts so much power.
It empowers people.
That's what I like about it andthe type of work that you're
doing, because it just givespeople an opportunity to, like
you said, just even with thatsimple thing those breathing
techniques to just lower thatfight or flight and be able to
be more in control of thesituation and be more present
about it.
Because, you're right, whenwe're in that fight or flight,
(45:43):
we're not being present.
We're actually over herethinking of all the reasons why
this is happening and what anidiot I am, or this is all the
knowing, all the things that areyour way is, yeah, wow,
absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
I spent a lot of years of my life feeling
disempowered and I've made it ahigh priority to be empowered
and to help other people findtheir own empowerment.
That's my jam.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
I like it.
I like it.
That's absolutely amazing.
I'm going to again.
In the show notes I'll sharewhere to be able to reach you
and learn more and that link aswell where people can go to get
two free gifts.
If you're listening to this onthe podcast for Tonka Talk, you
can go ahead and watch the videoover on Facebook on the Tonka
Talk Community and ConnectionFacebook page.
If you're watching this onFacebook and you want to listen
(46:38):
to it later, you can always goto the Tonka Talk podcast.
Again, we share the ways peoplecreate community and connection.
Oftentimes that starts withtaking care of ourselves,
because I feel, at least in myexperience, the more I could be
in a better place, the better Ican show up for other people,
and the happier that I was, thecalmer that I can be, the better
(47:01):
I can be in my community.
I think these conversations arereally so important and there's
so many people that arestruggling with these things
that we all do.
I love having the conversationabout it.
Thank you so much, joshua, forjoining.
Thank you everybody for joiningus who joined us over in the
live on Facebook.
If you haven't already, pleasemake sure you like and subscribe
(47:23):
to the channel Reallyappreciate it.
It helps out a ton.
Always bring your questions,joshua, thank you, hold tight,
and everyone else.
I will talk to you later.
Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Hi, natalie.
I'm excited to be here.
I am so excited to have youeveryone.
Welcome my guest today.
This is going to be exciting.
He takes people from self-doubtto unstoppable by helping them
to reduce anxiety, buildconfidence and overcome fears in
a very unique way.
If you've not been here before,I'm Natalie Webster and this is
(00:24):
Tonka Talk, where we share theways people create community and
create connection.
My guest today is Joshua Petersfrom X Factor Hypnosis.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I love it.
Thank you, Natalie.
I'm really, like I said, I'mhappy to be here and speak with
you and your peeps.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, if anybody.
While we're doing this, wedecided to go ahead and do this
live today.
If you have any questions, goahead and just throw them up in
the chat.
I have a million questionsmyself about this.
I know very little abouthypnosis beyond what I see in
the movies and television.
I think of the stereotypicalwatch my watch swing while you
(01:08):
are getting sleepy and somethingtells me that is not what you
do.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
No, I don't even own a stop or a pocket watch.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
How would you describe what it is that you do?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I think of myself as a coach first and foremost.
I kind of approach my work inbasically in a three-step
process.
One of the things that I do,and one of the most important
things, is I'm going to teach myclients a bunch of different
tools.
The thing is that they can doreally consciously to interrupt
(01:46):
whatever those patterns are,that is, are getting in their
way.
A lot of times I'm working withsomebody with anxiety or with
some different types of specificfears or phobias that are
getting in their way.
These tools are designed, then,to help them interrupt those
automatic responses, kind oftake you out of I think of it
like a fight-or-flight responseinto a calm response.
(02:09):
That's one of the things that Ido.
But then, if you talk abouthypnosis, that's what we're
talking about here.
The next step is really to getat what's the unconscious
programs that are running, whatis underneath here that is
driving the behaviors, thebeliefs or the habits that's
(02:31):
happening the way that hypnosisdoes that.
We use words, we usevisualizations, we use directly
speaking to the unconscious mind, metaphors, storytelling
there's lots of ways to do that.
It's mostly just through mylanguage, speaking to my clients
(02:51):
, and they're giving feedback.
I'm not taking over their mind.
I'm guiding them and gettingsome more like a coaching
process.
In the end, it's really very,very simple.
There's neuroscience behind it.
Can you touch?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
a little bit on that in a way that I can track and
understand.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
This track we talk about the problem that alone
activates the neurons that areconnected to that problem.
Think of it like this If you'rehaving tell me about one of
your most happy childhoodmemories.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
That would probably be on the beach at my grandma's
house in Hawaii, where she lived.
She lived on an awesome beachwhen I was little and I just
loved going there.
That's where I learned how toswim in the ocean.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I can see in your response you're connecting with
that moment.
You're connecting with thosefeelings.
That's activating the neuronsrelated to that particular time.
It brings up the feelings.
We talk about the problem whichactivates the neurons in the
problem state Not what I justdid with you, but a similar
(04:01):
process.
Then we use all these differenthypnotic techniques to send
those neurons down a new pathway, pathway of calm, a confidence
of peace of mind.
That's how you rewire the brain.
That's the neuroscience behindhow all types of change work,
actually work.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
What is it that adds that step of hypnosis, like
you're saying when you're havingthis conversation and I'm
tracking with you on how thenthat rewires the brain.
If you're talking about things,if you're with a client and
you're discussing things thatare troubling or upsetting
things from their past, are yousaying that as you address those
(04:45):
things and go through it, wouldyou call that in a hypnotic
state, or what does that looklike?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
It helps, I think, to consider it, to take the word
hypnosis away, because that hasboth positive and negative
connotations to it.
It's really what we're talkingabout here is a trance state.
We're going in and out oftrance states all of the time.
In fact, you're probably in alittle bit of a trance state
(05:16):
doing this recording becauseyou're on.
When you just pop back to thatmoment at your grandma's at the
beam, it took you into aparticular state of
consciousness.
That's what we're talking aboutyour different states of
consciousness.
A hypnotic state ofconsciousness tends to feel
(05:37):
pretty relaxed.
It's a focused state ofrelaxation is how it's often
described where you now haveaccess to this deeper part of
you.
Call it the subconscious mindor the unconscious mind.
We don't even really know whatit is.
We know it works.
Exactly how it works is alittle bit different of a
(05:58):
question.
What it seems to me is it takesyou into a more focused, relaxed
state where I can say positivethings to you now and you're
going to really hear them atyour core.
You're going to maybe have anexperience connecting with a
younger version of you.
That's going to make a hugeimpact on you.
(06:20):
You're going to see yourselfgoing through a situation where,
in the past, it used to show upwith the challenge, but now it
shows up where you're showing upthe way you want to, thinking
the way you want to think,feeling the way you want to feel
.
We're building up this pathway.
We're thinking of it like afuture memory.
We're building up how you'regoing to be Now, when you're in
(06:42):
the situation.
The pathway is already thereand it becomes the default.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Wow, it really is not this hocus pocus kind of thing.
This is actual science.
Yeah, we're learning more aboutbuilding these neural pathways
and different treatments andtherapies that people do in
order to do that.
It seems and correct me if I'mwrong that that is really kind
of the new cutting edge way ofaddressing things like trauma,
(07:12):
but even what you're talkingabout with anxiety and those
types of issues that rewiringour brains.
Wasn't it before?
We didn't even know that thatwas possible.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
There's been so much advances in neuroscience even in
just the past, in the past 10years, but even in the past five
years we haven't even reallybeen able to measure how the
brain is working until veryrecently.
So now we can see in the brainwhat's happening in a meditation
, what's happening in hypnosis,what's happening in all these
(07:44):
different states, likephysically.
What are the what are, what'sfiring in the brain where before
we couldn't, we couldn'tmeasure that, we were making
guesses.
So now these things that youcould see results happening but
nobody really knew how it wasworking or why it was working,
but it worked.
Now we're able to measure thatand have a much better ability
(08:07):
to really pinpoint these things.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
So when you're working with someone and if
they're looking at something youknow, like when you ask me a
question, that was a verypleasant thing to go ahead and
remember and recall.
If someone dealing withsomething like anxiety that they
know is, you know, tied back tosomething previously in
childhood, the way that youguide them when you're in that
trance state, is it easier forthat person to connect with
(08:33):
those memories.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So, first of all, if they have a really traumatic
memory, I am not going to goback and make them relive it,
because there's lots of ways toactually to do this.
So if I think of somebody thathas a say they had a traumatic
experience, or I like to thinkof them as past experiences,
(08:55):
just because that's what itreally is and we're labeling it
as a traumatic experience, butit's really just a past
experience.
So somebody has this pastexperience that left an impact
and now they're feeling anxiouswhen they're in situations that
are sort of similar to that.
Yeah, because this pathway isthere, what I would do, rather
(09:16):
than going back to that memorylike we don't have to go back to
the memory to activate theneurons All we have to do is
talk about the last time thatthe anxiety happened, and that's
enough to light those up, so wedon't actually have to go into
traumatic events and relive them.
I don't want you to have to dothat.
(09:37):
There's a lot of ways to gothrough these kinds of processes
that don't require us to fullyactivate a hugely traumatic
experience.
There's no need to go throughthat again if we don't have to.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
That makes a lot of sense, especially given how much
science and things have changedwith what we've learned about
how the brain works and how youcan actually rewire these neural
pathways.
It kind of reminds me a littlebit of cognitive behavioral
therapy with the reframing Inother ways too.
I was talking with my sisterthe other day who's doing
(10:15):
ketamine infusion therapy andrewiring the brains.
Can you tell me?
I was looking on your websiteand it was, of course.
Now I'm forgetting what it wascalled psychedelic integration.
Of course that got my attention.
Psychedelic integration.
Tell me more.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah.
So psychedelic experiences canbe very life-changing.
That's why people are doing theketamine.
That's why psilocybin isbecoming a very much looked at
therapy, because whatpsychedelics do is they create
(10:56):
this huge ability ofneuroplasticity in the brain.
Your brain starts to make allof these different connections
in ways that it hasn't donebefore.
It makes it very, very flexible.
A similar thing that hypnosisdoes, too, is it opens you up to
a neuroplastic type ofexperience where things can
(11:18):
start to make new connectionsconform.
Yeah, with psychedelics thatcan last for quite a while after
you have the initial medicine.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I've heard of that People with PTSD even doing
these studies with mushrooms andhaving the benefits way after
taking the actual medicationslash drug itself Right.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
It's not a medicine that you take every day to a
typical anti-anxiety medicine.
It's kind of like shutting downemotions and feelings so that
you don't feel the anxiety.
Sure, if you have psilocybin ormagic mushrooms, it's going to
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create new pathways so thatthose old pathways have anxiety.
They just aren't even workinganymore.
It's a very different idea,very different way of doing the
healing.
That's kind of what that does.
Psychedelic integration.
What I've noticed is a lot ofpeople will have these really
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powerful psychedelic experiences.
It's almost like they put themin a box.
Okay, well, that was there Over.
Here is life.
Then, when you're done withthis, you kind of go back to
life and fall back into the samepatterns and things.
You may have had some amazingideas and inspirations and
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wisdoms that came out of this,but they're not getting applied
into life.
What psychedelic, what hypnotic,psychedelic integration is, is
just using hypnosis.
We're not using the medicines.
This is for somebody who'salready had an experience.
We're using hypnosis to takeyou back to that moment, to slow
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it down, because a psychedelicexperience can feel like all
this stuff has happened and justsoot too fast to really be able
to catch it all.
So we go back, we slow theexperience down, we just pull
out what is the learnings, whatwere the lessons?
And then we take those lessonsand we apply them in your life.
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Now, what I've noticed doingthis with clients is they might
have some other kind ofchallenge in their life that has
nothing to do with this, but aswe apply this over here, it has
everything to do with it.
Wow, and they're gettinginsights, they're getting wisdom
from this thing that might havehappened years ago and they're
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getting it now and utilizing itnow in their experiences now.
So it's just, I'm veryinterested in trance of all
types, including psychedelicsand hypnosis and breath work,
all the different ways that youcan create a trance state, and
I'm just fascinated with how wecan use these different trances
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to really empower ourselves.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, can you talk a little bit about how using these
type of techniques and what youdo relates to you know?
When you talk about anxiety,let's just kind of start there
with anxiety how maybe this typeof treatment or hypnosis not
necessarily psychedelicintegration but the idea of you
know doing what you do andworking with the people that you
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work with.
It's so amazing to me and I'veseen this happen, like I've seen
, like I said, my sister's doingketamine infusion therapy for
her PTSD from growing up andbeing an occult that we were
both in and left in adulthood,and she's had a lot of struggles
, and especially with anxiety,to the point where it was even
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hard for her to leave the house.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
And she tried.
She had done so many differentforms of therapy and though it
helped her, it didn't seem toreally kind of get on top of
this anxiety.
And she tried differentmedications and some she still
takes too.
But this ketamine infusiontherapy I don't even fully
understand how it works butalong with what you're saying,
with it rewiring and opening upthose pathways, her anxiety
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level went down tremendously andI was shocked at how quickly it
happened.
It just seems like this isreally the way to.
You know so much of it.
So many people.
We deal with anxiety and thesefears and it gets in the way in
daily life with what we want todo, what we want to be, what we
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want to create.
Can you kind of give someexamples of you know kind of how
the all my examples go back to?
I was in a cult.
How can you help me deal withthat?
But if we get a little moregeneral right in terms of
anxiety, how that can helpsomebody that may be struggling
with anxiety because of theirpast or where they came from.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I'll give you a couple of different examples of
clients that I've worked with.
One of them is he's a comedianand he was having trouble going
on stage and giving trying newmaterial.
That was his anxiety, was hewould?
He wanted to try new materialand so he would plan to do it.
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He'd have it all written outand he'd go up on the stage and
he'd go back to the old stuffthat he knew was going to get
laughs, that he knew was goingto work, and he kept.
He was getting reallyfrustrated with himself.
As we started to work together,it got really clear that this
wasn't just anxiety showing upon stage yes, that was kind of
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where he was really noticing it,but he was dealing with anxiety
in a lot of areas of life.
So we taught him these tools.
We start with the tools.
That's the best place to start,because now you have something
you can do and the tools they'reinterrupting the pattern, but
they're also helping to createthe new pattern.
So we start with those tools.
But then there's things thathappen in life that you know
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it's kicking in the balls,exactly, and then we make
something up about it, like wemake up about make something up
about ourself or we makesomething up about life, and
then we why that happened?
Yeah, then we act like it's true, and a lot of times this
happens when we're kids.
And so we are living now forthe rest of our life with the
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belief that something is true,based on what a four year old
had, with the resources of fouryear old had at the time.
And we can go, our people gotheir whole lives holding on to
those you know, not those falsebeliefs, as if they're true.
So with the hypnotic work youcan, you can release that stuff,
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you can let that go, you canrevisit a moment in life and
give that version of youeverything that they actually
needed in that moment so theycan go through it differently.
Now, it doesn't mean that wecan, obviously can't change the
past, but when you do that, itremoves all the charge from that
situation.
It just made, it just was now,it just becomes something that
happened.
It becomes like he said.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I'm meaning to it.
Yeah, a past memory versus atraumatic experience.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
And in fact, it can become an empowering memory,
Well framed in the right way andwhen you and when you re
experience it in a new way,right.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I got to wrap my head around that one, so it's
fascinating.
So you're saying, like thesedecisions that we make about
ourselves, who we are or howsomething is based on things
that happen to us, like yourexample of the four-year-old,
and in that moment you makedecisions and you have feelings
about who you are.
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We carry those throughout ourlives, still kind of stuck in
that, through that four-year-oldeyes.
What you're saying, with thistype of hypnosis therapy, with
coaching and how you do it,you're opening up the pathways
but then also giving peopletools to have another way to
look at it.
But by going through theprocess you're saying then they
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could look at these things andit wouldn't be just such this
heavy thing, because sometimesthey're really hard to look at
and it's amazing to me to thinkthat it can't.
You know, like what you said,that hit me hard, like when
we're children going throughthese things, how they stick
with us.
I'm going to just read acomment here.
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Jennifer says hey, y'all howyou.
Hey y'all how you.
Darlings, oh, I love that Doingtoday.
This subject has always beenfascinating to me.
I'm surprised there isn't morefolks here.
You'll get a lot of plays afterpeople get home from work.
I bet.
I bet too.
Thank you, jennifer, and foreveryone who is with us, if you
have any questions, go ahead andput them in the chat, cause
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while we have Joshua, we may aswell ask and get all those
questions going.
So by all means, send in yourquestions.
Rio for life, this is fantasticinformation.
Thank you, we hope you enjoy it.
Nancy, working and lurkingthat's my favorite thing to do.
That would be multitasking.
What else can you share interms of?
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Are there any type of tools,anything that you can share now
or that people can utilize tokind of, you know like, put a
toe into this to learn moreabout it?
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, there are a couple of really simple things,
and you know I'll usually one ofthe tools I usually teach my
clients is a type of breath workthat can take you marketing
wise.
I call it the two minutebreathing exercise.
That eliminates overthinking,cause it can really do that.
(21:02):
It literally will take twominutes to do this process and
it can change your life if youmake it into a practice.
It's a.
Can you show it to me now?
Yeah, I mean it's simple.
I'll give you as a gift for yourlisteners.
I've got two gifts, and thisisn't.
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But give me an hour and it willbe working for you.
(21:24):
So just go toxfactorhypnosiscom, slash, talka
, talk and it will take you to aplace where you put in an email
and then it'll give you thesetwo free gifts.
So one of them, it's a breathingexercise.
I'll tell you what it is rightnow.
It's called the four, seven,eight breath and it's essential
of it is it's a four countinhale, a seven count hold and
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then an eight count exhale.
So if you think about it, it'sreally like a quick, deep inhale
and then a really long exhale.
Now there's some things thatmake it best practice, but
that's the essential.
That's the opposite of anxiety.
Breath right.
Anxiety breath is usually short, shallow up in the top of our
lungs, yeah right.
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And this is the opposite ofthat.
This is a technique that willcalm your mind and it'll take
you out of a fight or flightresponse, which is what an
anxiety response is down to,kind of an into an alpha state.
So an alpha state is like alight meditation or like a
daydreamy kind of state Betweenawake and asleep flow, kind of a
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state.
That's about what an alphastate is and that's the best
place to come from when you'redealing with any kind of
challenge in your life.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
So you're saying even something that simple if we
find ourselves in a fight orflight and really anxious, can
kind of help to bring the noisedown, yeah, and quiet things,
and is there a way?
I'm curious about this I don'twant to get too technical
because I want to be able tounderstand it, yeah, but I'm
curious as to what is thatcorrelation between, you know,
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breathing and slowing down ourbreathing and slowing down our
mind at the same time, Becausethey definitely seem to go
together.
And I know when I'veexperienced anxiety and I've had
a couple of panic attacks andit just that I mean you hit the
nail on the head the way youbreathe is so different.
It's almost like you can't getair.
Just this, ah, ah, ah kind of athing.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Breath is the only automatic part of our body, an
automatic part of our nervoussystem, that we have any control
over.
We can't control our heart rate, we can't control our sweating,
our temperature.
I know that Right, but you cancontrol your breath.
Now what people forget is thatthey can control their breath
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and what tends to happen is ouremotional state shifts our
physical state.
But our physical state can alsoshift our emotional state.
So by slowing down your breath,that starts to slow down your
heart rate, that starts to getyou out of your head back into
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your body where you're present,because when you're in an
anxiety state, you're notpresent.
You're spinning down made-upstuff, what-ifs, worries, all
those things, making up storiesabout what's about to happen or
what might happen or what didhappen, and digging into it and
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really feeling into it.
And I'm just feeling it andforgetting that we have some
control over all of that,because you were able to access
that positive memory, just likethat.
We can do that in those momentstoo.
If we can interrupt the pattern, if we can interrupt the
automatic response we can takeout that's a great way to make a
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change is, when you findyourself in a spiral, interrupt
it, use the breath technique andthen think of a moment when you
were just happy and go into itso that you can really feel it
in your body.
That alone is going to rewirethose neurons.
Because, if you think about it,what we did was we activated
the neurons, we changed stateand we sent the neurons on a new
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pathway.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
That's the change work right there, that makes
sense.
Nancy Alley has a question.
During this therapy, is there achemical response when you
bring people back to an eventfrom the past?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
So well, I'm not measuring that in my office and
I don't know how much of achemical response there would be
when I'm taking, when I wantpeople to kind of bring up that
memory, I'm only doing it enoughto get those neurons activated.
So I'm not going to takesomebody deep into a traumatic
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experience.
If we did and they got throwninto fight or flight, yes,
they're going to have adrenalineflowing through them.
They're going to have thestress hormone cortisol is going
to be flowing through them.
They're going to be filled withthe cocktail of chemicals which
is what happens when you're inan anxious response.
So I'm not trying to get thatdeep.
I want to bring you just enoughto get the neurons activated,
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but not to go into that fight orflight response.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Which is so amazing because in the past traditional
therapy has really been thatkind of let's go dive into these
and relive these memories.
I know that when I startedlearning about neuroplasticity
and being able to rewire yourbrain, I found it so fascinating
and helpful and I actually hadneurologists two neurologists at
the University of Minnesota notsuggest but tell me that they
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now know these things can bedone, and especially with people
with trauma in their past PTSD,a lot of anxiety and depression
and it just blew my mindbecause it was a little
overwhelming at first.
Because at first they're liketherapy and really feeling your
feelings and processing thesethings.
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Because in my situation they'dasked me if I'd ever been in the
military because what was goingon with me and the way it was
physically affecting me.
They often see in veteranspeople who've done multiple
tours of duty and I hadn't saidanything about growing up in a
cult yet or anything like thatUsually my opening with a new
doctor.
So then I told them a littlebit about it and they're like,
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yeah, and those things need tobe processed.
And the first thing I thought itwas I don't have the time or
the energy to go back and relivethese things Cause I wasn't
understanding exactly what theywere saying.
But they were basically sayingwhat you're saying here.
The science behind it has moreto do with activating the
neurons and giving them newpathways when it's not necessary
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to heal from this to have to gorelive the whole thing.
Well, that got me super excited.
Jennifer says I suffer fromchronic pain and I have
fibromyalgia and CRPS and I usecolor therapy literally coloring
Me too, girl.
I use pencils and other thingslike breathing techniques.
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What do you recommend for pain?
Ooh, that's a great question,jennifer.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
So there are what I would suggest.
As far as pain is a couple ofthings.
If you don't have a meditationpractice, I would start some
kind of mindfulness practice.
First of all, Something elsethat's been really helpful for
some of the pain clients thatI've worked with, and you know,
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this is this doesn't work foreverybody.
I don't know if this will workfor Jennifer or not, but
consider calling it instead ofpain oh, I just lost my word
Call it.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Kind of like how you were talking about too, with
these past traumatic experiencesand referring to them as past
experiences.
Yeah, because you, as you workthrough it and you rewire and
you send these neurons somewhereelse, that there's truth in
that, Because there's thingsthat I can even look at in my
past, where some not so much,but there are some that
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definitely at the time and laterI thought, oh my gosh, that's
massively traumatic, I don'twant to look at that, and then,
through different work, was ableto look at it and then talk
about it, and I think sometimesthat's why I'll.
The more people that I got toknow outside of my cult I grew
up in Scientology and left.
As I got to know people outsideof that I would share, not in a
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way of like, oh, here's thistraumatic experience.
I would just be like, oh yeah,well, this, this, this happened,
but, very matter of fact, andthe look on their face told me
this is not normal.
I almost had the oppositeproblem, in a way of not
recognizing certain things asbeing undesirable or traumatic
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because I was so used to stayingin a ride or flight, yeah, yeah
, so do you think with pain?
It's similar in those ways ofhow we're framing it.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Well, if you think of it as how much pain am I
feeling today, your brain isgoing to go towards okay, look
for the pain, how heavy is it?
So, if you shame I can't thinkof the word I was trying to come
up with, but I've got adifferent one instead.
So, instead of how much pain amI feeling, ask yourself okay,
what's my level of comfort today?
(30:28):
Ooh, I'd be a one, and that'sokay.
But just by doing that, you'reshifting.
What are you focusing on?
Are you focusing on the pain orare you focusing on the comfort
?
Whether or not it's, at, youknow, a one or a 10, doesn't
even really matter.
It's the, it's the reference,the frame of reference that
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you're using or the lens thatyou're looking through in that
moment.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Is that because because I definitely believe we
get what we focus on, but doesit follow that type of universal
truth of we get more of wherewe put our attention, to our
attention only on the pain, verymuch like that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
And also, if you're like, for instance, don't think
of a pink elephant, what's thevery first thing you do Think of
a pink elephant, think of apink elephant?
You first have to think of apink elephant to put it away.
So if you're like saying Idon't want to feel pain First,
your, your mind goes okay,what's pain?
Okay, let's not feel that, butyou first had to grab it to
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figure out what it was beforeyou could let it go when.
If you're like, I'd like tofeel some more comfort today,
what's comfort?
Like, yeah, that's what I wantmore of.
Right, so it is.
It is, yes, what you focus onis what you get more of, but
it's also like how the brainactually works to with language.
So let's use language to ourbenefit.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Can you give me some examples of that?
What you mean by that?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Well, that was an example right there.
Another example I see from alot of people is they talk about
like if I was a client and I'mtalking about my anxiety or my
pain or my OCD or whatever it is, they they're.
It's almost like they they'reowning it, they're claiming it
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as theirs.
But it doesn't have to betheirs, doesn't have?
You don't have to claim it, youdon't have to like hold on to
this thing you don't want sotightly.
So it doesn't mean now I'm notsaying that you're not
experiencing that, but if youstart to just shift it from my
pain to the discomfort Iexperience, or my anxiety to the
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anxiety that I'm feeling, it isdo you see the difference in
how that, how that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
It's kind of like how we you know people used to
refer to autistic childrenversus children with autism,
like just kind of switching thewording there.
So you're saying going fromsaying my pain and the and all
of the anxiety, all of myanxiety, switching that to the
pain I experienced or theanxiety that I've experienced.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Yeah, yeah, language is powerful.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
That is really interesting.
Is that a large part do youfind of what you do, really kind
of reworking the languagearound it?
Speaker 1 (33:21):
It comes up with nearly everyone, and sometimes
it's around that Sometimesthere's some words that we use.
I think of them asdisempowering words like have,
to need to, should, would, could, even wants to.
All of those are implying thatyou can't have the thing, yeah.
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And you know, or you're goingto rebel against it, or
somebody's telling you you needto do this, and I always think.
I always say well, you knowthat's what your dad says.
And how well does that work?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
But how's that working for you?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
So you'll always say so, ultimately, really, we make
choices and everything that wedo is a choice that we make.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Now Jennifer says yes , you frame it different.
Thank you, I get what you'resaying.
Well, it's hard to do when yourdoctor wants you to do pain
scoring in a pain journal.
I understand that.
I think the pain journal ismaking it worse.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, right, tell them.
Uh, I'm not going to do a painjournal but I'll do a comfort
journal, right, yeah, I wouldsay one of the biggest that that
pain scale thing that doctorsgive is, in my opinion, a very
bad way to help somebody movepast pain.
It's a hypnotic suggestion.
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Doctors are not going to haveanything against doctors.
But I don't think theyunderstand the power of their
words.
I don't think they understandhow deep of an impact the things
that they say can actually meanto their patients.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I think you're really right.
Do you think that science iscatching up today and medicine
is catching up more with thatconcept of that?
The words that we use are verypowerful Because I feel like
I've heard these concepts in youknow, in other, when you learn
about meditation and other typesof work, but I'm hearing it in
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the medical community now.
That's what really blows mymind is everything that you're
saying.
I've heard from at least threedifferent neurologists and every
single one encouragedmeditation, which really made me
take another look at it,because these are neurologists,
I mean, who are really goodneurologists too, and a part of
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this, their healing process withneurological issues and what
was going on with me is thattype of thing.
And what you're saying about thewords is so interesting because
the whole system and, asJennifer was sharing too, it's
so set up to reinforce thosethings and I know often I've,
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luckily, fortunately, I found areally good primary and I like
my neurologist now too, and theyreally kind of have more this
point of view and I found I gotdramatically better in going
going along that route and doingthat reframing work and
realizing and recognizingbasically what you're saying,
that these aren't things that Ihave to hold on to or that I
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even necessarily need toexperience that it doesn't.
You know, I think this was aquestion I had.
As you go through the process,do you see with your clients,
does it get easier to work thatmuscle of being able to control,
you know, kind of get theseemotions back under control and
manage the anxiety?
Is this something that overtime gets better?
Speaker 1 (36:53):
It both of those things.
So typically I'll give you anexample of I mean, this is a
relatively simple one, but sayfear of flying.
So that's an anxiety, yeah, anda lot of times the way that it
shows up is for weeks ahead ofthe flight.
The person with that fear isthinking about it, is worried
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about all their checking theweather.
Is this going to be a?
Is there going to be a storm?
Like how am I going to managethis?
Figuring out how they're goingto take some medication?
Maybe they're going to fly aday, a day ahead of their
meeting, so that they'll beclearheaded when they actually
meet people.
But now they've got to add acouple of days on the like.
There's a lot that goes intothis and they're right.
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So what?
And so let's say we've donethis work and I always I require
somebody with a fear of flyingto have a flight before we're
done working together to makesure that we've cleared it up so
that if there's anything elsewe need to deal with, we have
the opportunity to still do that.
But what typically happens isthey they're getting closer to
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the date they're noticing okay,that's interesting, I'm not
feeling that anxiety that I usedto feel I'm kind of excited
about this trip.
Okay, and they're, and they'realmost they're like waiting for
the anxiety to show up.
They go to the airport, theyare in the line, they're, they
get to their, all the thingsthat used to happen just don't
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happen and they come out of itcompletely surprised.
So that that can.
That's a good example of kindof in the moment, but a lot of
times anxiety because it's alittle bit more like that's a,
that's an on-off kind of a of ananxiety.
Either I have the fear of flyingor I don't have the fear of
flying.
In a more generalized sense,what tends to happen is you
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might go through an experiencewhere in the past you had the
old anxious feeling and you getthrough it.
You don't even realize untilhindsight that you got that you
showed up differently.
So sometimes it's just, it justhappens.
Usually, through the time thatI'm working with somebody from
week to week, they're goingthrough experiences where in the
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past they they didn't show upthe way they wanted to and now
they are yeah, or it's halfwaythere.
They did pretty good, it wasless of a challenge, and every
one of those, the way I like toapproach this is finding those
specific moments in time, right?
So that's how you access theneurons by a moment in time.
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So if you tell me I am alwaysanxious, there's nothing to hold
on to that.
That's a nebulous cloud and Ithink about it kind of like a
tabletop.
So anxiety is this tabletop andif we try to just smash the
tabletop we're going to breakour hand.
But the legs are what's holdingthis thing together, and the
legs are.
Last week when I went to thestore and that person said that
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thing and it triggered me.
That's a leg, that's a momentthat we can now reframe, go
through like literally shift.
How do you want to be goingthrough this and make that new
experience real, bringing up theneurons, sending them down a
new pathway and chop down thatleg.
We do that enough times and thewhole table just falls apart
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and then it doesn't affect youanymore.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
So it's like karate, kid swipe the leg.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Something like that.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Now can you?
One thing I'm wondering abouttoo, because I don't have a, if
there's kind of a simple answerto this what are neurons?
You know, I've used the wordneurons and all this stuff, but
I realized like I don't really.
I don't really kind of knowexactly what that is.
Is there like a?
Speaker 1 (40:46):
lot of impulses.
Okay, so they're like a brainand they're connected through
what's called synapses, whichare like spaces between them.
So that's how that's.
A pathway is neurons connectedto neurons through synapses in
the brain.
So when you say pathway, or arut or pattern, or however you
want to describe it, that's whatwe're talking about.
(41:07):
Is these neurons in the brain.
There's tens of thousands,probably hundreds of thousands
of neurons in the brain, butthey're also are only a certain
amount, which is why the brainlooks for those pathways,
strengthens the ones that aregetting used, weakens the ones
that aren't getting used.
It's always trying to recycleand trying to be efficient,
(41:29):
trying to be effective, but itgets.
The problem is it doesn't know.
Is this pathway letting youthrive or not?
It doesn't really care, it'sjust trying to be efficient.
So, is the pathway getting used?
Well, let's strengthen that.
So what tends to happen isanxiety, whatever or whatever
right fear, whatever it is.
It starts in a maybe a veryspecific area and over time,
(41:52):
because it's getting used, it'sgetting stronger, it starts to
spread across life in differentways.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
That makes so much sense.
It just really seems so muchmore simple than it is, but I
think that's kind of the truthof it.
But I'm so thankful that modernmedicine and scientists
catching up to how our brainswork and how we can actually do
this, because you're saying thebrain doesn't know the
difference.
It's just looking for a clearpath and one that's strong, and
(42:20):
it'll make it stronger.
So if you're using a path, theresults in behavior, actions or
an outcome that you don't wantbut that's what you're focused
on the brain will reinforce byputting those neurons on that
path Correct, and then the otherone that might be the more
desirable one.
So now it makes more sense tome, too, with what you're saying
in terms of how words matter.
(42:42):
The words that we use currentlydo make a difference, and that's
something that I've thought.
I've learned a lot about thatmore lately and I've been
fascinated with it, because youhear like well, you know, you
shouldn't say I have this orthat, as if that's like you know
, I'm holding on to all thesethings that I don't want, but
change your wording around it,which gets funny because when
(43:03):
we're kids, sometimes you know,teachers would say well, you
know, just try to refocus you onsomething.
Refocus you on something,something that's different.
It's absolutely fascinating tome.
I'm going to make sure I putthat link in the show notes
after where people can go to getthose those two items.
Can you share about that again?
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah, so the link is xfactorhypnosiscom slash
TonkaTalk and there's going tobe two free gifts in there.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
I'll do it now, but it will be in a little bit.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I'll do it.
As soon as we get off this callI'll set it up.
So the first one is thatrelaxation breath, that relaxed
breath that I talked about earlyon, and I've got a video that
walks you through it.
I've got written instructionsthat walk you through it, give
you some of the best practicesand kind of let you have the
experience, tell you it, tellsyou how to best use this in your
(43:56):
day.
That's one of the gifts.
The second one is a hypnoticguided meditation.
It's 10 minutes long and ittakes you into a relaxed state
in just about 10 minutes.
The idea behind that is therelaxation response.
Just going into a relaxedresponse starts to activate
healing in the body.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
So is that why we feel so much better often when
we're on vacation or you go upto a cabin, you go to a beach,
you go to a lake, you changeyour environment and I think
with most people we immediatelyjust kind of melt.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
And you just get into where you relax.
Is that why?
Speaker 1 (44:34):
And then that's certainly one of the reasons for
sure.
Like, the nervous system hastwo parts.
It has the sympathetic, whichis fight or flight, and then it
has rest and digest.
That's parasympathetic, andthis rest and digest.
That is where we want to be.
That is going to let youfunction at your highest level.
(44:55):
It's going to give you the mostresilience so that when you're
even in a high stress situation,if you're coming from here,
you're just going to just beable to respond the way you want
to, in a calm, relaxed way.
That's going to be functional,instead of the automatic
reaction where you're anxiousand you're not even really
functioning anymore.
That's fight or flight, that'sjust survival.
(45:17):
I got to get through this orI'm going to die.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
It really puts so much power.
It empowers people.
That's what I like about it andthe type of work that you're
doing, because it just givespeople an opportunity to, like
you said, just even with thatsimple thing those breathing
techniques to just lower thatfight or flight and be able to
be more in control of thesituation and be more present
about it.
Because, you're right, whenwe're in that fight or flight,
(45:43):
we're not being present.
We're actually over herethinking of all the reasons why
this is happening and what anidiot I am, or this is all the
knowing, all the things that areyour way is, yeah, wow,
absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
I spent a lot of years of my life feeling
disempowered and I've made it ahigh priority to be empowered
and to help other people findtheir own empowerment.
That's my jam.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
I like it.
I like it.
That's absolutely amazing.
I'm going to again.
In the show notes I'll sharewhere to be able to reach you
and learn more and that link aswell where people can go to get
two free gifts.
If you're listening to this onthe podcast for Tonka Talk, you
can go ahead and watch the videoover on Facebook on the Tonka
Talk Community and ConnectionFacebook page.
If you're watching this onFacebook and you want to listen
(46:38):
to it later, you can always goto the Tonka Talk podcast.
Again, we share the ways peoplecreate community and connection.
Oftentimes that starts withtaking care of ourselves,
because I feel, at least in myexperience, the more I could be
in a better place, the better Ican show up for other people,
and the happier that I was, thecalmer that I can be, the better
(47:01):
I can be in my community.
I think these conversations arereally so important and there's
so many people that arestruggling with these things
that we all do.
I love having the conversationabout it.
Thank you so much, joshua, forjoining.
Thank you everybody for joiningus who joined us over in the
live on Facebook.
If you haven't already, pleasemake sure you like and subscribe
(47:23):
to the channel Reallyappreciate it.
It helps out a ton.
Always bring your questions,joshua, thank you, hold tight,
and everyone else.
I will talk to you later.
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