ChatGPT Is Cool. ChatBlackGPT Is Critical—Because We Deserve to Be Seen

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Tony Tidbit (00:00):
One of the things I want you to dive deeper into is why

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is, why should black people mm-hmm.
Really care about this?
And when you talk about the tech divide.

Erin Reddick (00:10):
Mm-hmm.

Okay.
What does that mean for them?

Right.
So I think about
California where there's some districtsthat have AI as a requirement to graduate.
Like you have to learn about it.
And then I think about communities,maybe even close to me, who

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don't have computers, who don'thave tablets, who don't have.
Librarians and libraries andcomputer labs and it's like what
are people going to school for tolearn so that they can find a job?
And if these jobs are gonna require thatwe have some aptitude or some level of

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understanding of artificial intelligenceand that becomes the new norm.
If we don't learn that, then we're gonnabe shut out of a whole correct whole job
market and pushed into the types of jobsthat people think that we can only do.
We'll discuss race

and how it plays a factor and how we didn't even talk about
this topic 'cause we were afraid

BEP Narrator (01:21):
A Black Executive Perspective

We're coming to you live from another, from A BEP
studio for another thought provokingepisode of A Black Executive
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We discuss all matters related to race.
Culture and those uncomfortabletopics people tend to avoid.
I'm your host Tony Tidbit.
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Today our guest is flipping the scripton what tech can be as the founder of

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Chat Black GPT Erin Reddick is creatingan unapologetically black, intelligent,
and cultural grounded spaces inside asystem that wasn't built with us in mind.
This isn't just about art,artificial intelligence, it's
about ancestral intelligence.
Aaron will break down how tech truthand tradition can live together.

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And while building something forus is more than just innovation.
It's a legacy.
So let me tell you a little bitabout my friend Erin Reddick.
She's a visionary leader and the founder,CEO of Chat black GPTA pioneering
AI chat bot dedicated to providinginsights and perspectives rooted in

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black culture, history and experiences.
Erin's work emphasizes culturalawareness, sensitivity and respect,
making her a sought after speaker ontopics related to the African diaspora,
racial equality, and technology'srole in promoting inclusivity.
Erin Reddick, my sister.

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Welcome to A Black ExecutivePerspective Podcast.

Thank you so much for having me.
Pleasure to be here.

Well, uh, the pleasure is all ours.
I mean, what you'recurrently doing is fantastic.
Look, I am so excited to diveinto this topic because this
is something close to my heart.
So, before we get into the heavystuff, why don't you tell us a little
bit where you're currently residingin a little bit about your family.

Yeah.
I live, uh, in Washington DC Ijust moved here at the very tail,
like beginning end of like 20, 24.
So I moved before January 20th not knowingwhat my life would be like, and now
I'm immersed in all the things America.

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So I'm right here in the city.
And, um, yeah, it's,it's been challenging.
Um, but I feel very alive and in tune with

Now where were you moving?
From?

Seattle.

Got it.
Yeah.
So all the way across the country.

Yes.
A lot more passiveaggressive, a lot more techie.
Um, there's a lot ofpersonality out here in DC

Oh, I can imagine you with the peeps out there though, right?
Yes.
So you're on the East coast where we makeeverything happen, so that's exciting.
And tell us a little bit about the family.
I believe you have a, a new that'syou are expecting anytime now.

Yep.
I am 36 weeks with my first son, soI'm excited to raise a young black
man and make sure he has all thetools that I can possibly provide him
and all the advantages I can createfor a pathway, you know, now is so
important because, you know, at firstI'm, I'm fighting, you know, for.

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Everyone to have a fair shot in ai, butnow it's also a little bit more personal.

There's no question.
Right?
There is no question.
And, and you know, it's funny though,it's like, uh, he doesn't even know
what he's about to get into, right?
He's about to come into his war, aworld where his mother is creating
something for now in the future.
So that is great.
Let me ask you this and we, I spokea little bit about it in the intro.
You are sought after you've been on a tonof platforms, a ton promoting chat, black,

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GPT, um, and you are, you have, even rightnow as you're pregnant, you have a ton of
other platforms and interviews lined up.
Okay?
So why did you wanna come onA Black Executive Perspective
Podcast to talk about this topic?

I mean, like, it's the same when I went on, um.
Uh, serious Sex and urbanview mornings like mm-hmm.
One of my favorite conversations ever.
Like, you can't serve a populationand a people and a community
without connecting with them.
And I think that like, these opportunitiesare important because this is the,

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you know, community I'm serving.
So I have to be, um, front facing andwilling to hear all the questions,
take all the criticism, and reallyjust continue the work to uplift.
And I love to be in these spaces.

Well thank you and we love to have you as well because,
um, you're gonna educate and moreimportantly, you're gonna help.
You are already helping peoplewho don't even know your name.
So you ready to talk about it?
My sister?

Yeah, let's do it.

Alright, let's talk about it.
So listen, you know, if you arejust saying you are out in Seattle,
um, you know, for those who may notknow, Microsoft is out there, right?
One of the first big techcompanies in the world, okay?
And obviously you've been in the techspace as a black woman, but at the end of

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the day, nothing, just one day, you know,somebody just starts doing something.
Take us back to your early life, right?
What influenced you and what experiencesthat you dealt with or lack thereof
that made you wanna decide that youwant to get into the tech field?

Yeah, I mean I grew up in Michigan, in Grand Rapids,
Michigan, so it's not, I lived there.
Oh yeah, I'm from Detroit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But yeah, that's right,

right.
Not the Techiest place.
No, the early, late nineties,early two thousands.
No.
So, um, I say this, um, pretty often, butlike the biggest job I could like, thought
about was like call center manager.
That was like the ultimate.
And my mom worked at ConsumersEnergy, she was in corporate.

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And so I thought about following inher footsteps, but I never really
understood tech until my dad had movedto Seattle and he told me about, uh, you
know, like engineering jobs or workingat Boeing where he's been forever.
So I kind of was like interestedin what he was, um, talking about.

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'cause I.
Could not comprehend it.
And when things kind of boglemy mind, I like to dig a little
bit deeper and challenge myself.
And that first real tech, like,what the heck is this was the
concept of software engineering.
So it's like I, I could not comprehend it.
And that was frustrating for me.

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It, it's, it's hard like software

and engineering.
You had a hard time dealing with that.

Well, just, just understanding it from like never having
heard of it at all growing up in Michiganand not understanding tech at all.
Yes.
The concepts of it were verylike, demanding on my phone.
Mm-hmm.
But that's why I got involvedand got closer to it.
And it's like, I didn't gointo engineering, I went

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into program management.
So I'm managing engineers, I'm hiringengineers, I'm like talking to them and
like scientists and data scientists.
And that's kind of where I gotinto tech through recruiting.
But yeah.
Yeah.

I mean, so number one, 'cause I lived in Grand Rapids and it's mm-hmm.
You know, Michigan isa manufacturing state.
Right?
Exactly.
It's the auto and Grand Rapids, ifI remember correctly, they used to
say they would've hired the Detroit.
Mm-hmm.
Um, because uh, a lot of the,um, engines or pieces or parts of
the cars would be made in GrandRapids and then shipped to Detroit.

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So, you know, I definitely knowthe city and obviously it's not
tech, but you know, it's great.
So did your father kind of guide youor you were just seeing him and, and
his career and saying, Hey, maybethis is, even though it's hard for
me to get involved, or I can't,you know, for me to understand it.
Um, but it's something different froma call center and stuff to that nature.

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Is that, tell us a little bit about that.

I mean, my dad, he's, uh, a tool and die engineer.
So he was working at Delphi growing up.
So I've always known, you know,like about manufacturing, like from.
Hardware engineering and likeparts and building things,
but not on the technical side.
He was actually dating his newwife and she worked at Amazon

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and so she was a big techie, uh,working there for like 12 years.
Uh, she's at Google now, but myfirst opportunity was with Amazon,
but more on like a commercial side.
But definitely having, you know, twoparents, one in Boeing and one in Amazon
influence, like, okay, I can do thisbecause like, I'm talking to two people

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who are living this every single day andyou know, it's not impossible for me.
So they definitely influencedme feeling like it was possible.

That is awesome.
And tell us a little bit aboutthe, uh, when you first got
started working for Amazon mm-hmm.
And some of the other tech companies.
Tell us about that experience andhow it shaped and guided you in
terms of what you're doing now.

Yeah, I mean, so I pretty much have a very creative soul at heart
and, um, also very entrepreneurial.
So my career independently started outin photography, so my very first taste
of tech was actually working on Amazon's,uh, they tried to do something like
a food delivery app like Uber Eats.

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So I got to know the city of Seattle bygoing to every restaurant that signed up
for their food ordering app at the time,and taking pictures of their full menu.
Mm-hmm.
Uploading it to the cloud, working withtheir, like marketing teams and like,
so that was my first dabble in it, eventhough I don't even put that on my resume.
But, um, my first job in tech was Amazon.

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And then, um, I really loved working withpeople and I was doing a lot of media
work, had a media company and that's whenI was able to bridge into like recruiting,
because I was so used to sales.
And recruiting is sales.
And so, uh, my first recruitingjob, uh, was supporting university
recruiters at Microsoft.

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And then I went into engagement managementat Facebook, uh, over at Oculus Research
and Development Facilities, whichwas just one of the best jobs ever.
Loved that job.
And that was my first real like, whoa.
Like, oh my God, these peopleare so amazing and brilliant.
And, um, it kind of went from there,you know, I went back to Amazon, back

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to Microsoft, then I went full-time atMeta and, um, you know, getting laid
off, which is what happened in 2023.
I've, I've, it's always been more thanjust like, you know, the big brand name.
It's just like the technology andthe advancements in general have
always been like so exciting.

Wow.
Here, you know what,thanks for sharing that.
I'm gonna play a quick little clip andI love to hear your thoughts on it.
Okay?
Yeah.

Yeah, so I was actually laid off from tech.
I was working at Meta and I wasin this room, uh, on Facebook
called Black Women in Tech.

Mm-hmm.

And when I got laid off, I went in that room and I was like,
you know, I don't even know if I belonghere anymore because I got laid off.
I'm not a black woman in tech.
And that triggered me to kindof reclaim myself in this space.
And I decided that regardlessof what happened, I'm still
gonna be a black woman in tech.
And I wanted to go into thenext most important technology

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space as possible, which was ai.
And I chose generative AI specifically.
And when I started doing research, Inoticed it wasn't so great for black and
brown Americans and decided to push back.
And I asked the right questions at theright time, which happened to be, is
it really the data didn't believe so.
And I was able to develop my prototypeand start to build my company.

So number one, think about that for a second.
And that's from a clip that a podcastthat you were on not too long ago.
Um, you know, a lady fromGrand Rapids, alright.
That eventually gets in tech.
And I wanna dive in becauseyou said a lot there.
You were, you know, agroup, black women in tech.

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All right?
Which, which to be fair we know fora fact tech is a very male dominated,
white male dominated industry.
So talk a little bit in terms of how yougot into the black women in tech and then
let's dive in deeper in terms of when yougot laid off and knowing that, you know,
'cause a lot of times when people getlaid off, it's an, an emotional situation.

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Okay?
And, and then, but then you gotlaid off and said, you know what?
Forget this, I'm gonna create something.
And you came up and created the chat bot.
So let's, let's, let's back up tothe, the black, uh, women in tech.

Yeah, so as I mentioned, um, I was in recruiting a lot, uh, of those
years, like so five years total in tech.
And so it, when you're in a recruitingspace, you want to help people find jobs.
And one of the techniques that Iused was Facebook groups in large

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communities that were black spaces.
'cause I did a lot of recruiting forunderrepresented, uh, talented folks.
And so that was one of the groups thatI would go in and I would say, Hey,
like, here's this job opportunity,or Hey, uh, here's some tips on
interviewing if you wanna get intowhere I'm at or here was my experience.
In these like seven rounds toget this full-time position.

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Here's my salary.
I was very transparent in that group andI still am active in that group today.
Um, but yeah, when, when I did get laidoff, I wanted to make a post about it,
but I had built up so much, you know,community around like that beacon of hope
because I don't have the traditional, um,credentials that you would, that you're

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told you have to have to get in there.
Mm-hmm.
Not true.
So I, I was kind of like, oh gosh,I'm no longer that person that they
can look at and say, oh, well, youknow, I can do it if she can do it.
And so for a moment I did recluse andit was really tough for me to process.
But um, I went back in thereand I was like, you know what?

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It's not about where I work,it's about who I am and.
What excites me and makes mepassionate, and that is like the
tech space and it just is what it is.
I moved to Seattle andlived there for 10 years.
Mm, to work in tech, and I did thatregardless of where I went to college
or what I did or didn't finish.
Like I was gonna work in tech.
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I had to like reevaluate, you know, why I'm in this space to
show my face, you know, but I'm stillthere and still being received really
well, and now I'm teaching that samegroup how to do public speaking,
how to make 10, $15,000 in an hour,like how to do a proof of concept.
So it's like I always bring it back tothe community no matter what I go through

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and like how I come out on the other end.

That is awesome.
How did you decide, or why did you decidethat you wanted to build an AI chat bot?

Yeah, so it's because a like gen, there's
so many different types of ai.
You know, there's like the images,like Chachi, BT just, or OpenAI
just did their, uh, new image updatewhere you can create new things.
I haven't played around with ityet, but I think it's pretty cool.
But there's images and then there's,you know, facial recognition

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technologies and all these things.
But generative AI is.
The most accessible and low barrierto entry for the general public.
And I wanted to make impact.
So for me, the thing that I can getinto their hands the fastest with
no cost is what I wanted to focus onbecause that's where I thought I could

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make the most impact the fastest.
So, um, generative AI is whereI landed because of that.
So that's when I started taking somecertifications and understanding
more about how it's built and whyit functions the way that it does.
And um, a lot of what I was being toldwhen I noticed, like it had really
terrible answers about black peopleand black topics and black history,

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they were saying it's a data issue.
But at the same time, there's allthese conversations about how OpenAI
stole all the data on the internet.
And I was like, thatmeans they stole us too.
We're there, so why are we

missing out of it?
Right?
Yeah,

exactly.
I'm like, okay, so that means.
We need to train an AI to surfaceand prioritize black information and
black authored information first.
And that will help cut out a lot of bias.
And it worked.
And so obviously, you know, I don'twanna oversimplify that process.

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I have a team of engineers, um, we're, youknow, still in development, we're gonna be
constantly in development, but it's, um,it was an important thing to at least try.
And so yeah, I was able tosuccessfully prove that concept.

You know, one of the things when you think about it and you know,
there is ai and we're, we're, we're, youknow, we're still at the, I don't wanna
say we're at the forefront of ai, right?
Mm-hmm.
And one of the things youwould think when they create.
Whatever type of technology, andespecially from an artificial intelligence

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standpoint, that's, uh, supposed tobe, uh, a tool that can help you do
all the things or provide answersfor you or whatever the case may be.
Mm-hmm.
You would think that itwould be inclusive, that
everybody would be involved.
Okay.
But then to your point, you foundout that it wasn't inclusive.

(20:13):
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
And that, you know, so a lotof times people right now are
still struggling to work with ai.
Mm-hmm.
Um, because number one,there's a fear factor.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
There is a learning curve, right.
Which you dive deep into.
Right.
But talk a little bit about,number one, I wanna ask.

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What were some of the biggestchallenges that you faced?
Building something that was an, atbuilding something that actually focused
on the black diaspora, black experience,because that's an undertaking in itself.

Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
It's tricky because, um, you have to,you have to go against people who will
tell you there's nothing wrong with it.
There isn't any issues.
What are you talking about?
Why am I making everything about race?
Why is it always black, black, blah, blah.
And then you show them the answerwhen you ask it to write a short

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essay on black history, and it doesn'tmention the KK, K or forgets about
Obama or, um, you know, refuses toacknowledge massacres that happen.
Like that is the version of blackhistory that a lot of people want
to promote and have unfortunately,promoted in schools across America.
Uh, you know, just recently they wentas far as to say like what slavery was,

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entrepreneurship or something like that.
So imagine an AI that people don'tunderstand can and will lie to you
often, uh, telling you that informationand it's like, that's not right.
Um, so real

quick though.
Mm-hmm.
Why doesn't it, and I, I, I know you, II know, but I just want you to say it.
Why doesn't it have the full, uh, historyof all the things that happened and
only only showcases some of the stuff.

Uh, the same reason they wanna ban critical race theory and black
history classes and books on black historyand get rid of DEI, first of all, it's
a blueprint to the way we're about to beoppressed by people much richer than us.
I think they don't want people to see,oh, this is how you fight inequity.
Oh, well, black people havebeen doing this whole time.
Like they don't wanna validate that.

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Um, and also things like criticalrace theory and like, that's why
I work with historians like that.
Historical fact answers alot of questions of today.
Why does this algorithm oppress us?
Why when we type in, you know,something about black people
porn pops up, like, as Dr.
Safi Noble, uh, pointed out in herbook, algorithms of Oppression.

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So it's like those thingshave answers, but Right.
The answers lead back tomaking somebody look bad.
That's not what they want.
So that's why they're actively trying toerase history and blueprints of, you know.
Pathways to equity,which I think is wrong.
I went by Black Lives Matter,just like the other day.

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I'm like, Ugh, I knowthey're gonna rinse it off.
I wanna go see it beforeI, before it's gone.
Oh, they weren't taking a hose to it.
They took a jackhammer,they ripped up the street.

You talking about there in dc Correct?
Yeah, yeah.
Right, right, right, right.

And that is so symbolic to me.
It's like they're not just trying to rinseaway, you know, delete some pictures.
No.
They wanna uproot historyfrom the very foundation.
Like it never happened.
And it's like, why?
You know?
But no matter the answer, westill need to do something.

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And one thing I love about AIis that once you put something
in it, you can't take it out.
It doesn't have the abilityto like unlearn things.
So it should learn as muchabout black history as it can
and, um, exists somewhere,

you know?
So number one, thank you,not just for your answer.
But for the passion, becausehere's the thing, you're not the
first person to know that, right?
That's in the tech space, who is AfricanAmerican or another person of color

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who noticed the deficiencies in it.
They, and they may even scream about it.
Right?
So I'm not diminish, diminishing,diminishing of they, you know,
like, this ain't fair, but you'vetaken it to a whole nother level.
Right.
You are like, not only it ain't fair.
Not only it can oppress us, not only ourpeople won't have the access, but you know

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what, I'm gonna do something about it.
Okay.
Which I love.
And that's why you're all overthe place because you've jumped in
and you've really looked at this,not from just what the problem is,
but I'm gonna solve the problem.
One of the things though, and I saidit a few minutes ago, black, white,
and let's just keep it to, to, toblack people or people of color.

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Mm-hmm.
The majority of them don't use ai.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
The majority of them are afraid to use ai.
So I wanna play a quick little clip ofsomething you said, uh, not too long ago
then I want to hear your thoughts on it.

First of all, it's an opportunity for us to have.
A once in a lifetime selfawarded equity frontier.
I don't think it's a kind oftechnology where we have to
ask to be included, right?
We have access to it in a way wherewe can build on our own terms and
without our representation in it,we're going to unfortunately fail

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to have a safe space to interact.
And that can lead to exacerbationof the tech divide because of the
nature of the technology makingus faster, better, smarter.
If we don't jump in now, we're gonnabe, you know, the Guinea pigs of AI gone
wrong instead of being proactive aboutit being built in, uh, a safer way.

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So it's very important.
And the other part is that onceit goes in, it can't come out.
Right?
Right, exactly.
So we need to solidify our historyand our stories in artificial
intelligence, uh, in an irreversible way.

So you talk about the tech divide.
Mm-hmm.
You talked about being Guinea pigs.
Mm-hmm.
Dive into that deeper in terms,because I, this is something it's
very important that anybody watchingand listening, especially people of
color, need to really recognize how thesignificance and the importance of this.
Please, please dive in.

Yeah.
I mean, I do wanna take a moment justto acknowledge like, I, actually, this
exercise is really reaffirming for mebecause I will eat my words for breakfast.
I love that.
I'm able to stand onbusiness with everything.
You keep replaying.
I'm like, yep.
Yep.

You didn't know I was gonna go there though, did you?
I didn't.
Alright.

It's awesome.
Well, I, I, yeah.
I don't script any of these interviews.
Mm-hmm.
I really speak from like my heartand like the work that I'm actually
doing, and so it makes this easy.
Like I don't feel intimidated bywhatever you're gonna play next.
And that is reallyvalidating for me personally.
Um, I just wanted to say that,uh, in my stream of consciousness.
But anyway, so, uh, yeah, I mean, weare the Guinea pigs of AI gone wrong.

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Like most of my keynotes, I'm highlightingwomen who have written books about
algorithms that oppress about, uh, AIand surveillance technology that is
targeting people of color about, um,uh, inequitable outcomes from like
algorithms and hiring work lending.

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And these books are writtenin 20 18, 20 like 19.
It's nothing new, right?
The only thing new about it is our access.
So that's why I try to say like,okay, we have an opportunity
for self awarded equity.
I'm gonna say something.
I don't like to dip and dabble toomuch in like politics or anything.

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Um, but I think about Elon Musk.
In the, uh, what was it?
It was some briefing meeting that hekind of was like standing there in front
of everybody and people were sayinglike, you're not an elected official.
You don't even have a seat at the table.

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And he's still taking over and,and, and all of this stuff.
And I thought to myself, that'sexactly, and I'm not supporting him, but
that's exactly how we have to operate.
Like, screw your table.
Like, it's not even about a table anymore.
It's about like how you show up.

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Who says he's credentialed to bethere these days doesn't even matter.
He is there just because hesays, so why can't we do that?

Right.
You know,

why, why do we need to look for these tables?
Why can't we just show up table or not?
You know?
Right.
I'm not saying what he's doing is good.
I don't.
Agree with people losing jobs, um,like the way that things are being
done at all, but the concept of stillpolarizing and having all that influence
without a seat at the table, there issomething to learn from that, right?

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So, um, that's what I really, that'sthe essence, that's the, the white
privilege essence of what I meanwhen I say self awarded equity.
Because we have access to opensource tools and technology and,
um, different apps that allow usto build, yeah, they cost money.
It's gonna be $20 a month,$200 a month, whatever.
But you can still build just as fastas the next person because we have open

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source and we have, uh, people who wannacollaborate, um, you know, brilliant data
scientists, AI engineers, ML engineers.
It's like they're out thereand we can work together.
And that's how my team came together.
So it's like.
I don't need to work at a big companyto make impact and use the tech.
To build the tech.

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So it's like, yeah, that'swhat I meant by that.

Yeah.
But one of the things I want you todive deeper into is why is, why should
black people really care about this?
And when you talk about the tech divide.

Mm-hmm.

Okay.
What does that mean for them?

Right.
So I think about in California wherethere's some districts that have
AI as a requirement to graduate,like you have to learn about it.
And then I think about communities,maybe even close to me, who don't

(30:33):
have computers, who don't havetablets, who don't have librarians
and libraries and computer labs.
And it's like.
What are people going to school for tolearn so that they can find a job And
if these jobs are gonna require thatwe have some aptitude or some level of

(30:54):
understanding of artificial intelligence,and that becomes the new norm.
If we don't learn that, then we'regonna be shut out of a whole.
Correct.
A whole job market and pushed intothe types of jobs that people think
that we can only do, which is, uh,you know, I don't, I mean there's

(31:15):
respect in every role, but jobsthat are not technicals say correct.
So, uh, we can have any type of job,but we need the opportunities and the
understanding of the technology that'sbeing asked of us to utilize as well.
And so it's not just that it'sdangerous when facial recognition
thinks that every black person looksthe same, and now you've got cops
thinking you're a wanted criminal.

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That's dangerous as hell.
But it's also like, how do we get a,uh, black scientist to get interested in
computer vision if they don't understandhow facial recognition works or the,
you know, harm it can perpetuate becausethey don't know Joy Bull and weenie,
you know, so it's like, I'm sorry Dr.

(31:56):
Joy Bloom.
Um, it's like if I, if I don't geton stages and talk about these women
and say, go read her book, follow herpage, follow the, uh, the algorithmic
Justice League, like how are we goingto get there if we don't shout it out?
So that's, that's why Ido the work that I do.
But we have to stay competitive.

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Um, our families need to growand prosper like everyone else.
So if we don't get into the product,we're just gonna become the product.

Absolutely.
Right.
And you, and you talked alittle bit about, you know, the
political, um, you know, um.
What's going on from apolitical standpoint?
Who's to say five years from now, theydon't come up with a law that's say,
that says, you know, if you don't knowhow to do ai, if you don't have these

(32:46):
uh, materials, what the case may be, youcan't do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Right?
Or for you to do blah,blah, blah, blah, blah.
You have to go through thesecertain algorithm, these certain
products or platforms to do it.
And if you're not involved in thesystem, somebody taught me this a
while ago, they're like Tony a lotof times, you know, yeah, we wanna
do our own thing, but you gotta knowwhat's going on in the system, okay?

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Because if you're not in the system,then you won't be a part of the system.
And if we don't know from atechnology standpoint, especially
when the world is going that way.
Okay, let's be fair.
It's going that way.
It's not gonna stop.
It is going that way.
You have to be a part of thegame to be able to play the game.
And more importantly, ourstory needs to be in the game.

(33:32):
Right?
Because if our story's not in the game,it doesn't matter if we show it whatever,
we're gonna be erase from the game.
So talk a little bit about thelanguage of, uh, liberation.
Okay.
Because, you know, at the end ofthe day, this is about the African
diaspora and it is about continuingthe legacy of black storytelling.
Talk a little bit about that.

(33:52):
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I mean, like a lot of it's, it's, it's happening in real time.
If you think about, um, what, what is it?
The ban on, uh, DEI right?
Ban

on books, the ban on a ton of stuff, right?

Right.
But there's words like, there's a listof words, um, that have been banned from.
The federal government, I'mtalking about bans even.
Even just like books.
That's one thing.
But the words, I'm looking at a listof words that were banned, um, phrases

(34:28):
that federal agencies are told to avoid.
One of those words is Blackbipoc, obviously D-E-I-D-E-I-A.
Cultural competence, cultural differences.
Cultural heritage, culturalsensitivity, culturally
appropriate, culturally responsive.

(34:49):
Social justice.
Social cultural, socioeconomic stereotypestereotypes, systemic systemically.
What, you know what I mean?
So they're

just trying to erase everything.
Right?

So my, my thing is like, that's just pertaining
to black, but women is banned.
Like obviously they, obviouslyit's very anti L-G-B-T-Q, like
don't even need to go there.
Um, but it's like, like why are youerasing words that matter to the
work that you're supposed to do?

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I don't understand.
And so it just makes sense.
Like, I don't know, it's just like the waythat my mind works, I thought to myself,
okay, how can I donate my, a portionof like one of my recent honorariums
to commission black artists to repaintsome of the images taken down from.

(35:47):
The federal like archives that wereall white, like Jackie Robinson Yeah.
And

all stuff.
Yeah.

And how can I take my money and have them literally
commission their own voice throughrecreating those images that were erased
and have like a pop-up art gallery.
Like that's how I think preservationof our voices, but also telling
a story at the same time.
Like, that's just likewho I am to my core.

(36:14):
So I, I can't imagine a world wherewe don't have answers, but I do think
like knowledge will be a premiumprivilege is the way that it's going.
Especially historical knowledge.
You know, it's like that.
I, I don't, I don't think blackhistory should be, should have

(36:35):
a premium price tag on it.
It should be something that.
We acknowledge and celebrate andlisten to and learn from, you know,
but I feel like black history isabout to become everybody's history.
Like poor people's history,like under a million dollars,
history, like all those things.
It's gonna be, we, we, nowho can afford a house?

(36:57):
Like as a average working Americanwho isn't working two to three jobs.
Like who, who is feeling the effects of,oh, I thought my goal in life was to make
six figures and, and now I still can'tafford my bills, or I'm afraid to have a
child because I can't afford childcare.
It's like a lot of those things arecircumstances that black neighborhoods

(37:18):
and black communities have beendealing with for a long time.
And those same issues are about to bewidespread for not just black people.
So it's like when, whenI hear about the 92%.
And how they're saying like 92% ofblack women are sitting this out like,
yeah, we're marching, but it's 'causewe got our fans and our boots on.
You know?
And it's like, becausethis is nothing new for us.

(37:42):
We've always struggledgetting food for houses.
We've always, you know, had X, Y, and Z.
So it's like business as usual almost,but everyone else is like, Hey, this
isn't fair, what can we do about it?
Well, DEI was a thing,you see what I mean?
Like, I'm trying to

Yeah, I, I see where, so number one, I definitely
see where you're going, right?
Yeah.
And, and, and here's the thing.
They're using AI to do that.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
So that's really the key here.
Alright?
Yeah.
They're not using, you know, people togo through with some who got, you know,
bifocals on to figure out how to do this.
They're using the tool that you'recreating to, uh, for black people,

(38:21):
they're using that tool to erase.
Black history.
Black stories.
Yeah.
Pe other people of color,let's be fair too, right?
Mm-hmm.
But at the end of the day, so how, sothe thing, the, um, what's the word?
The challenge is they're usingthe same tool to erase us.
Yeah.
However, as uh, people of color, blackpeople, we need to know what that tool

(38:45):
is and we need to start incorporatingand working with that tool, right?
Because that's part of fighting back.
Would you agree with that?
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.
Yeah.
And like when you're training anAI to target specific things for
like deletion, you're just teachingit, gay is bad, black is bad.
Correct.
You tell us that.
Correct.
And like you're training it tobehave in a way that ultimately
is not gonna serve anybody.
But

here's the thing though.
So backing up a little bit, when they,um, inadvertently took down Jackie
Robinson's story from the DOD, okay.
They also took down.
Okay.
Uh, the Enola gay.

Yeah.

Which was the airplane that dropped the two.
And the only reason they took that downto your point, because of the word gay.
Yes.
Right.
So this is, these are the thingsthat are happening today from an
AI standpoint to erase things.
They can say, my bad.
It's not their bad.
They're doing it on purpose.

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Okay.
And to be fair, even with the JackieRobinson thing, had people not
pushed back, they wouldn't have did,they wouldn't have said nothing.
They would've left it the way it isbased on pushing back and learning.
Talk a little bit about the functionality.
So if somebody went on rightnow to chat black GPT, tell us a
little bit about what, what's thethings that they can get out of it?

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What's some of the limitations andsome of the things you're still
going to program it and push into it?

Yeah, so like I was at, um, oh my gosh, where was I?
Oh, I was just at some university.
Where I was demoing this,it was in California.

Mm-hmm.

I think it was Riverside City College.
That's where I was.
And um, we demoed it live sideby side and we actually side by

side.
Side by side what?

Uh, regular GPT and chat Black GPT.

Got it, got it, got it, got it.

Yeah.
And so essentially I asked it thisquestion and I'm using the customizable
version just so I can prove to themwith no proprietary information, no
special download, no special knowledgebase, just purely a set of instructions,
algorithm, uh, see how the differenceis when you tell it to behave this way.

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I asked it to generate, or they said,the top 10 most influential figures,
I kid you not the regular GPT namedliterally like Trump's cabinet.

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Like, I'm not even kidding.

So just hold on.
I just wanna make sure I'm clear here.
So you're saying

the prompt

was, what are the top INF influential people?
Top 10?

Yes.

And Trump's team came up.
What, what were the names?

Okay.
It says, I'll, I'll tell, I'lltell you the exact prompt.
Who are the most top 10 mostinfluential people in America?
And it said, number one, Donald Trump.
Number two, Elon Musk, number three.
Steven Miller, number four, Robert F.
Kennedy Jr.
Number five, Marco Rubio.
Number six, Christy Noam.

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Uh, number seven, Susie Wiles.
Number eight.
Laura Trump.
Number nine, Linda McCone.
And number 10, Steven Bannon.

So wait a minute, stop for a second.
Hold on.
Stop, stop.
You typed in names tosay the prompt again?

Yeah, I can share screen on Riverside.

No, just tell me the prompt.
That's all I to know.

Who are the top 10 most influential people in America?

So you didn't say today, you, you just said in America.

Yep.

And those 10 names came up, which are all people either in
Trump's cabinet or associated with Trump.
Yeah.
So George Washington come up.
Martin Luther King Jr.
Didn't come up.
JFK didn't come up.
Uh uh, uh uh.
Um, we can go a million way.
Um, your former, uh, uh, uh, the,uh, CEO or founder of Microsoft,

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bill Gates didn't come up.
None of these people came up.
Right.
But the names of, uh,the crew under Trump.

Right,

that's right there.
I mean, that right there is,is oh my God, that's insane.

Yeah.
Yeah.
So, um, again, so back

to that, that, that going back to why chat GPT versus regular GPT,

why would, would, why black GBT

Black tv?
I'm, I'm sorry.
Thank you.

So I asked, um, my version of the same tool.
This is the customizable,so it's the same platform.
So mine said, um, one Barack Obama.
Okay.
Two Beyonce, three Oprah Winfrey, fourLeBron James, five Kamala Harris, six

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Jay-Z, seven Stacey Abrams eight, Ava,dui nine Elon Musk, and 10 Tyler Perry.
So you could say this is like very muchgeared towards, um, entertainment, which
some people would have a problem with.

(44:23):
But it also is political.
You know, it has the president at least,you know, I feel like Oprah being on
there, Kamala Harris being on there,Stacey Abrams being on there like.
That's a good mix.
I don't know why Elon Musk is on here.

Well, here's the thing though.
But to be fair though, don'twe wanna, this is the thing.

Yeah.

Don't we wanna get to a world where, if I say who's the top
influential, there's a mixture of people,regardless of, you know what I'm saying?
It shouldn't be, it'sonly white on this side.
It's only, well, Elon did make thetent and, but my point is it should
have been Barack and it shouldn'thave been all Trump's people, but
it should have been Barack and,and, and, and, and uh, uh, my man,

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Microsoft and or, uh, my man in Kansas.
The, the investor.
You know, it should be a mixture.
It should be Oprah.
And you know, there should be a mixtureof people when we say influential versus
it's only this group versus that group.
Sure.
Do you agree with that?

Yeah.
I don't disagree with that at all.
But it won't be that way.
And so we have to like basically I

see

you have to, I

definitely see,

yeah, we have to create, um.
Technology that will balance it.
And even though both mentioned ElonMusk, you can't say he's not influential.

No, no, no, no, no, no.
Right.
But that's my point though.
What I'm saying is it's fine ifthey didn't say all I'm saying this
should be a mixture regardless ofcolor, but it shouldn't omit a color.
That's my point of color.
People, group of

people.
But that's called DEI.
The work to fix that is calleddiversity, equity, and inclusion.

Right, right.

Which is like illegal now,

which is what they're, we're wiping away.

Right.
So in a way, the f the otherGPT answered exactly how it's
supposed to, to a lot of people.
Um, and mine answered pretty decentlyfor one that's specifically focused
on, uh, the black perspective becausethese are 10 people that a lot of
black people probably would name.

Well, look, listen, at the end of the day, there's no question.
However, there needs to be, and thisis what you're, what you've created.
Okay.
There needs to be a placewhere we're not shut out.
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
Should it be one place and anybody cango to and, and any, all, all people
based on, um, their accomplishmentsor based on the question show turn up.

(46:54):
Absolutely.
Right.
But if it doesn't, then you needto create your own thing so you
don't get lost in the sauce.
And for black people to be able togo to and still get that same type of
information without their history beingerased with their people forgotten about.
Mm-hmm.
Let me ask you this, you grew up in GrandRapids and then you were able to migrate
out to Seattle and, and boom, you know.

(47:17):
It's like the Big Bang theory, right?
Boom.
All of a sudden, Erin Reddick, youknow, uh, is like, uh, uh, my man,
Darth Vader said, Luke, you know,you know, you found your destiny.
All right.
However, there's kids right now

Yeah.

That, um, are starting to get in the tech field.
They, they are like you, okay?
When you were younger, and, and let's befair here, they, their parents might not
have been a, a conduit or been on a, a, a,a, a road that they can say, oh, and then
it leads them to the tech space, right?
They could be just, you know, uh,curious or, you know, starting to

(47:59):
tinker with some stuff and says, Ireally like this, and blah, blah, blah.
So based on that, right, whatwould you, if you had to sit
down with your younger self

mm-hmm.

All right.
Before this journey started,what would you tell yourself?

Oh baby.
Oh my God.
Uh, I've been through a lot.
Um, I mean,
I feel like, you know, like
me coming to

(48:33):
Seattle wasn't just, oh, mydad said I should move here.
I should, like, I'm gonnapack up all myself and go.
There was a, a lot of series of eventsthat led to needing to leave Michigan.
There was so much.
Just awful things that happened.
And, um, uh, my first timebeing laid off actually was from

(48:54):
Blockbuster when it shut down.
And, uh, I was working at Victoria'sSecret and Blockbuster riding my bike
in the bus, you know, trying to pay $500in rent, uh, you know, as a roommate on,
you know, what Grand River, some, someroad Michigan State campus around there.

(49:15):
And, uh, you know, when I lostmy job, I wasn't, I didn't know
how to kick into survival mode.
Like I didn't have those instincts,but my parents weren't in a
position to support me at that time.
Uh, so I really had tolike, figure ish out.

(49:35):
And, uh, moving to Seattlestarted first with moving to St.
Louis, Missouri, living with my uncle.
In the hood.
Okay.
With pimps and kittens everywhere.
So, um, I was working at DunkingDonuts, I was working at the museum.
I was working at Holes and Pimps.

Huh?

Yeah.
Literally, like, I, I would walk justone block from Domino's home from
work and at least three people wouldtry to pick me up and I'm not wearing
anything but a freaking dirty apron.
Right.
So it's, it, it was scary and it wasdangerous, but I had made a friend in
Michigan, um, and they came to visit andthey were like, I don't think you're going

(50:17):
to go very far living here in this place.
Mm-hmm.
And I have room with me, you know, like,do you wanna come back to Michigan and,
you know, try to be like in a safer area.
I was like.
Yeah, that'd probably be best.
And then I moved back to Lansing,but when my dad was talking about

(50:39):
tech, this person was an electrician.
And I was like, there's a lot of newbuildings and construction, and if you
wanna get out of cable TV, satellitework and go into like electrician work,
you should probably go to Seattle.
Maybe we should both go out there.
And then we moved out there,and that's how I got there.

(51:01):
But it started with like,just being an awful place.
But because I had that like community,I was able to, um, make that work.
But I lived in Mount Vernon, Washingtonin a $630, uh, apartment across the
street from the, the closest college Icould find, so I could walk to school.

(51:23):
And I did that.
Um, but it, it just, it took, ittook a lot, uh, to make that happen
when you literally have nothing.
So, um,

so what would you, based on all that, that happened, right, right.
What would you tell your younger selfnow looking back, gimme just bottom line.
Me,

I would say like, you, you did the right thing.
You did the best that you could, um, withwhat you had, which really wasn't much.
And you depended on friends andcommunity to help position yourself.
But then you took initiative and thatwas the best thing that you could do.

(52:06):
Like peop again, my dad gave me theidea, but he didn't gimme money.
He didn't give me a place to live.
He didn't gimme a car, you know, it, itwas literally just pure blind ambition.
Um, and so Mount Vernon is hoursaway, well, at least like an hour,
hour and a half away from Amazon.
I was driving like over an hour a day to.

(52:30):
So it's gonna take work,but you can get there.

Here.
Can I add something to that though,just based on what you just got finished
saying you didn't let fear stop you.
From moving forward.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
You had a re a million reasons,scary reasons to be fair.
Yeah.
On why this wouldn't work or I'mmaking a bad mistake, or I don't

(52:54):
think I could do this, but youdidn't let your fear stop you.
Okay.
Which is great because if you did, thenwe wouldn't be the beneficiaries of your
work and the things that you're doing andhow you're helping, you know, not just
our community, but the world as well.
Because here's the thing though too,and we didn't get into this, but yes.

(53:16):
Chat, black GPT is definitely for blackpeople, but it's also for white people.
Yeah.
To learn more about, you know, the historythat they're trying to hide from them.
Okay.
To, that's really the key here too.
Tell us the future of chat Black GPT.
What are you looking toin, in incorporate into it?

Yeah.
Uh, the voice of our community, thepeople who need the information, want
the information, who are ready toexplore and need a safe space to land,
that is what I'm focused on building.
I want it to be a reflection of theblack community, a love letter to the
black community, a preservation, um,act like a deliberate, a deliberately

(54:00):
built, uh, AI that is going toencapsulate us and make sure that we
are safe in a space in technology.
So, next steps.
Um, I'm actually going to take ourMVP offline for a little bit so
that I can conduct research, andI'll probably do this every year.

When you say MVP, just so everybody's clear, what does that mean?

So I have the customizable, which is through OpenAI Chat gt.
You go to explore GPTs chat like GT Beta.
That's where like 10,000people are using it.
And then I also have theindependent version that me and
my team built chat black gbc.ai.
And right now that's going outof, um, for out for maintenance.

(54:46):
And so what that means is I'm going doorto door, I'm talking to the community.
I'm doing field research, UXresearch, I'm doing paid studies.
I'm doing like.
Actual activations totalk to the community.
So I can go and take thatsentiment back to data engineers,
analysts, um, researchers.
There's white papers beingwritten about us already.

(55:07):
It's beautiful, honestly.
But you take that sentiment, youanalyze it, and then you build it back
into the voice of the tool, right?
And so the, the essence of thealgorithm and its purpose is always
available through the customizable.
Um, but we're, we're, we're going intodevelopment, uh, for this next like
three months, which is great, you know,'cause I'm gonna be on maternity leave.

(55:29):
It's a lot easier for me to conducta survey than run a whole tool.
So it's like smart.
Uh, but that's the next thing.
So I'm gonna be puttingout, uh, calls to action.
Like, Hey, come to this mixer.
Your, um, ticket to entry istelling me how you feel about ai.
Just raw, unfiltered, uh, you know,basically your story, like how you feel.

(55:54):
That is like a consented way touse data to help develop a tool
that's free for them to use.
It's a, it's very much a community collab.
So next steps for me is a lot of,uh, field research, UX research,
case studies, um, working withinterns and it's just gonna be really
fun and beautiful and inclusive.
Inclusive design.

(56:15):
It's really co-design, communityco-design is what it's,

that is awesome.
That is great.
So final thoughts.
What's the, what's the final thoughtyou wanna leave the audience?

So my final thoughts is that part of the reason that I am so fearless
in the way that I approach being afounder and, uh, trying out new things and
experimenting with technology is becauseI've gone through a lot of loss and I've
had to start over and rebuild in almostevery aspect of my life, whether that's
mental health, um, housing, financially.

(56:46):
And so I want you to understand thatno matter what you've been through.
It's always an opportunity to take whatyou've learned and go to the next level.
But don't be afraid to embrace that,Hey, I've been through this before.
I don't have to be afraid of it.
Right?
Like, I'm not afraid to applyto a job and lose it 'cause I've
already been laid off before.

(57:07):
I'm less afraid to pay a high rentbecause I've already downsized before.
You know?
So it's like, don't take loss.
Um, and the hardships in life asjust bad things that happen that
are holding you back because it'sreally just giving an opportunity to
be more fearless in your next move.

That is awesome.
I love that advice.
So true.
How can a black executiveperspective help you, Aaron?

Yeah, I mean, I, I'm, I'm loving the conversation.
I like the way that we were able todiscuss things and get into depth.
So I feel like, you know, havingmore opportunities to maybe
bring in, I, I have this fantasy.
Where I like doing something likethis, but people are calling in.
Absolutely.

That's where we're, that's where we're going.
So you talked about where Chat, btBP, uh uh, chat Black, BGPT is going.
That's where BEP is going.
Right.
We're gonna have people calling in.
It's gonna be live and they'll be ableto give answers and stuff to that nature.
Questions, I should say.
That's so

cool.
That's so cool.
I wanna, I wanna like be involved when youguys do that because, or like whatever.
If there's an episode that's pertainingto something I could be helpful with,
I wanna do that because I think weneed to hear more of our community
and just give them these spaces.
To ask questions and express themselves.
So I'd love to, well,

look my sister, that is easy to do and we're definitely gonna do that.
So this is not the lasttime we're gonna chat.
Number two, we want to express ourgratitude for you to come on because
you're busy, you're about to have a baby.
You kidding me?
Uh, you gotta go to the doctorafter this as well, right?
So we wanna thank you for comingon, investing some time on the
Black Executive Perspective Podcast.

(58:48):
We really appreciate it.
You know, obviously I've been, um, uh,on, uh, chat Black GPTI recommend that
anyone watching, listening, please checkit out as she's gonna continue to develop.
But more importantly, it's importantthat you engage to educate and
more importantly, have a space.
So no matter what, our voices,our stories won't be written away.

(59:10):
So, Erin Reddick, CEO, founder of Chat,black GPT, thank you for joining A
Black Executive Perspective Podcast.
So I think it's now time for.
Tony's tidbit.
Okay, and the tidbit Today, legacy livesin every prompt, every reply, every
decision to inject truth into the machine.

(59:32):
It lives in every moment.
We dare to be fully seen and heard insidesystems never meant to recognize us
because when we cold with culture, speakwith memory, and innovate with intention,
we're just not shaping technology.
We're shaping time and you heard alot of that from our good friend,

(59:54):
CEO Chat, G Black, GPT, Erin Reddick.
So don't forget to check outthe next need to know by Dr.
Nsenga Burton on A BlackExecutive Perspective Podcast.
Dr.
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We've come up with anacronym that we called Less.

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LESS, and we want everyone to incorporateless because this is in your control.
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You want everyone to educate themselveson racial and cultural nuances.
Learn about people that you know how tofamiliar with, understand their culture.
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Now, since you've learned andyou put yourself in their shoes,
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Now you wanna share what you've learnedto others to help enlighten them.
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You wanna stop discriminationas it walks in your path.

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So if Aunt Jenny or Uncle Joe sayssomething at the Sunday dinner table
that's inappropriate, you say, auntJenny, uncle Joe, we don't believe that.
We don't say that.
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That we wanna see becauseless will become more.
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