Refugees or Racists? Inside the South African Asylum Debate

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In this gripping episode of Need to Know, Dr. Nsenga Burton examines the heated debate surrounding the granting of refugee status to white South Africans. With a deep understanding of South Africa’s political history, Dr. Burton dismantles the widely circulated claim that white farmers are fleeing targeted violence, revealing instead a legacy of land inequality rooted in apartheid that remains unresolved. Despite post-apartheid promises of land reform, most of the South African land is still controlled by the white minority. Dr. Burton also shines a light on documented cases of racial violence committed by some of these farmers, raising critical concerns about the potential consequences of welcoming them into the United States. She warns that this policy risks importing not just people, but entrenched ideologies of racism, antisemitism, and white supremacy. In a powerful call to action, she urges Americans to contact their legislators and reject this refugee proposal before it opens the door to more hatred and division on U.S. soil.

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00:00: Introduction to Need to Know

00:17: The Bogus Refugee Scheme

00:53: Historical Context of Land Ownership in South Africa

03:49: Current Issues and Incidents

06:21: Call to Action

06:53: Conclusion and Farewell

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Episode Transcript

BEP Narrator (00:02):
A Black Executive Perspective.
Now presents Need to Know withthe award-winning hyphenated Dr.
Nsenga Burton.
Dr.
Burton, what do we Need to Know?
Dr. Nsenga Burton:
Good afternoon and welcometo Need to Know with Dr.
Nsenga Burton.
I am she.
Today I wanna talk to you about, um,what is happening with our country.

(00:23):
Participating, creating, um, whatI call a bogus, uh, refugee scheme
for white to South Africans.
Um, and I wanted to tell you thisbecause I actually lived off and
on in South Africa for eight years.
So I do have experience living overthere and I am very familiar with the
politics and I've had written extensivelyabout South Africa, uh, for many years.

(00:44):
Um, I say all of that to say that thiswhole idea that the farmers are being, um.
Our fleeing violence is false.
Uh, in South Africa, if you look atthe 1930 Native Land Act, um, under
apartheid, uh, blacks could not own land.
If they had land, it was taken fromthem and redistributed to whites.

(01:06):
Um, they also could not partner withnon-black, uh, with and with non, um,
black South Africans to even acquireland That way, it didn't matter if
they got married, it didn't matter.
Um, and marriage was illegal too,but you know, if they partnered with
somebody, they just couldn't do it.
So, um, what has resulted is, isthe fact that 72% of the land in

(01:28):
South Africa is owned by whites and,uh, these are white people who came
from different parts of the world.
Germany, uh, you know, youknow, um, England, um, you know.
And they, they have different names,Africaners, Boors or what have you.
Um, if they're Dutch,things of that nature.
The point is this, they allcame here for nefarious reasons.

(01:51):
Nefarious reasons, and that wasto, um, you know, participate, um,
eventually to participate in apartheid,which was eradicated, um, when
Nelson was freed and all the things.
But what I want you to say,what has not been eradicated.
Is the right sizing of the resourcesthat were stolen, um, from blacks,
um, during the apartheid era, andthat one of those things is land.

(02:15):
So the farmers own 72% of the land.
Black South Africans onlyown about 4% of the land.
And when apartheid happenedor ended rather when apartheid
ended, there was supposed to bewhat is called a land transfer.
Blacks were supposed to receive theirland back, but because they were so
economically disenfranchised, and there'sa lot of reasons, well, I don't have time

(02:38):
to go into all of the 25 reasons, butthe one of the most important reasons
is because they were so economically,economically disenfranchised.
Many of them were not in theposition to receive the land and
be able to take care of the land.
Because when you are kept withoutresources, when you live in abject
poverty, I don't know if you all haveseen Mandela Homes, where Mandela, when
he came out, he's like everybody else.

(02:58):
Every South Africans gonna have a home.
It's usually one room.
Is corrugated still?
Um, four.
You know, three sidesor corrugated stills?
Corrugated still over the top.
Nothing in the front.
Alright, so when we talk aboutpoverty, it's poverty that the
United States has not seen.
So when y'all are like, why are theydoing all this stuff for Africa?
Why is Steve Jobs givingthis stuff to Africa?
Go visit.

(03:20):
And you will see why any country andit's beauty in Africa is cosmopolitan.
I love, it's one of myfavorite continents.
They have wonderful countries.
They have a lot of wonderfulthings happening there too.
So I don't wanna, uh, be pejorative.
What I am saying is, um, that thereis poverty that you will never
see in the United States there.
Okay?
Um, and so you don't understand it unlessyou've seen it and, and, and witnessed it.

(03:44):
The point I'm trying to make isthey own, that would be the white
South African, 72% of the land.
There was a case in February of 2025 thatis this year where a white, um, farmer ran
over and killed three black school girls.
This is a man who has a drinking problem.
He has killed someone before.
Um, and he was, oh, fled the scene.

(04:06):
It has not been charged with a crime.
We are in June of 2025 and stillhas not been charged with a crime.
Now, that doesn't happen allthe time, but it has happened
consistently over the years.
Right?
So the last one, the, the next oneI'm thinking about was the 20 23 1.
Before that was 2021.
So every couple of years youhave a white farmer exacting some
type of violence against blacks.

(04:27):
Typically, school childrenare people who are vulnerable.
I say all of that to say, donot believe what you hear.
We do not need to have whiteSouth Africans here in the United
States, particularly in my homestate of Virginia, because we do
not need more white supremacy here.
In addition to that, the white South,and this is not all white South Africans.

(04:49):
This is not all white South Africans.
I'm talking about Africaners.
I'm talking about Bos, I'mtalking about those folks.
I'm talking about theElon Musks of the world.
That's what I'm talking about.
They are also antisemitic.
So they're not only racist against blacksand other people, they are anti-Semitic.
So we're in a country that is having moreand more increasingly, um, anti-Semitic

(05:14):
incidents and violence against Jewishfolks, and we say We're against it.
That's what we keep saying.
Oh my God.
We're gonna say even 47 antisemitismwill not stand here, even though
I'm surrounded by Antisemites.
Okay.
No problem, but what, what is comingto the United States is more hatred.
These are people who, um, and I'msure most of you know this, and if

(05:36):
you don't, you should know that, uh,apartheid was established based on
the Jim Crow, um, system that wasin the United States of segregation.
So they use that as the blueprint for it.
Um, but we do not need more 40 sevensand musks here in the United States.
We don't need the vitriol.
We don't need the venom.
Uh, one of the South Africanswho came here already has killed

(05:59):
his wife since he's been here.
Um, look that up.
'cause I know they're notreporting on that either.
That's why y'all gotta read the bird wire.
Okay.
Shameless pug.
I'm back.
Um, but what is most importantis you cannot bring people
who are, who are hateful.
They hate black people.
They hate people of color.
Um, they hate, um.
Jews, they're antisemites.

(06:20):
So we don't need that in this country.
So what you Need to Know is you need tocontact your Congress people and tell them
to stop with this bogus refugee scheme.
They are not fleeing anything.
They own most of the land.
And the same thing that happenseverywhere in the world.
That's why wars are fought over land.
Uh, that means they are empowered.
I mean, and like ridiculously empowered.
So much so that they can run over three.

(06:42):
Not one, not two, but three black SouthAfrican school girls and not get charged.
And we got a blackpresident in South Africa.
How about that?
All right, so thank you for tuning in.
Please contact your Congress peopleand let them know to stop the bogus
scheme, um, because it really is inplay, I believe, um, to make sure

(07:07):
that we bring more people here.
Who are not woke, um, as they say it.
We haven't used woke in years.
Like they sound crazy when they say it.
It was just so, just notwith the times, but whatever.
Um, but who are, um.
Um, you know who tr who, whotraffic in sexism, racism, misogyny,

(07:28):
um, antisemitism, xenophobia.
These are the people that they arebringing here, and we don't need any
more of that in the United States.
Thank you for tuning in.
Please tune in next weekto Need to Know with Dr.
Nsenga Burton, and of course, always join.
Listen to share, um, A BlackExecutive Perspective podcast, the
award-winning podcast, um, thatgives you all sides of the debate.

(07:53):
Okay?
Have a great day.
Bye.
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