November 25, 2025 • 39 mins
What does it take to build a masters swim community that actually lasts? Coach and athlete Dominic Tsui joins us to share how Fast Lane Masters in Hong Kong grew from a couple of swimmers in a rented lane into a culture-rich squad chasing podiums across Asia. From his first video analysis sessions to guiding relays that snag gold and break records, Dominic shows how consistency, simple technical priorities, and a clear meet calendar can transform adult swimmers at every level.
We dig into the essentials that matter most: why breathing is the foundation for speed and body position, how to time exhale and inhale to unlock rhythm, and the drills and sets that produce real gains without burning athletes out. Dominic unpacks his go-to 6-1-6 scull drill for freestyle and his broken 400s structure at 200 pace to build aerobic strength and race-readiness. He also shares how the indoor Wan Chai pool unlocked early morning and noon training, making it possible for busy professionals to swim year-round without sun exposure. Along the way, we revisit highlights from World Championships in Singapore, relay thrills in Nagoya and Guangzhou, and the lessons that come from balancing a full coaching load with personal goals after injury.
We also zoom out to the broader scene: why Hong Kong’s masters community is surging, how open water groups at Repulse Bay and Stanley pull 20 to 30 swimmers every weekend, and why six local meets a year keep squads motivated with team points and friendly rivalries. Dominic explains the two-track model that works for adults—development for technique and training for competition—and hints at plans to add structured dryland by partnering with a nearby gym. It’s a candid look at what motivates adults to show up, what great coaching feels like, and how a clear goal on the calendar can turn effort into habit.
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Danielle Spurling (00:06):
Hello, swimmers, and welcome to Torpedo
Swim talk, the podcastcelebrating swimmers at every
stage, from masters legends toOlympic champions.
I'm your host, DanielleSpurling, and each week we dive
into inspiring conversationsfrom around the world about
performance, resilience and thepure love of swimming.
(00:27):
Today's guest is someone who'squietly shaping one of the most
energetic master swimmingcommunities in Asia.
Based in Hong Kong, Dominic Zhuis the coach and founder behind
Fast Lane Masters, a squadthat's become known for smart
training, strong culture, andthe ability to keep swimmers
motivated in one of the world'sbusiest cities.
(00:48):
Dominic's a jewel threat, acommitted coach guiding adult
swimmers of all levels, and amasters athlete himself, who
recently raced at the WorldChampionships in Singapore.
In this chat, we get into howhe built Fastlane from the
ground up, what he's learnedcoaching adults versus age
groupers, and how he balanceshis own training with leading a
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thriving program.
And also, what's the masterscene like across Asia?
Dominic helps us understandthat too.
He's thoughtful, honest, andabsolutely passionate about
swimming.
Let's hear from Dominic now.
Hi Dominic, welcome to thepodcast.
Dominic Zsui (01:32):
Hey, hello Danielle.
Thank you very much for havingme and uh really good to see
you.
Danielle Spurling (01:39):
Yeah, same, same.
It was really nice.
We uh we we actually met inperson at the World Champs in
Singapore just recently.
Um really nice to see youthere.
How did your swimming go?
Dominic Zsui (01:52):
Um yeah, it was really good to to catch up and
uh meet you at the meet at uh inSingapore.
My swimming went okayconsidering how how I've
approached the the championshipmyself as a swimmer, but uh I'm
more of a coach, so I haven'treally been able to train for
it.
And but I I did quite wellcompared to um how I swam a
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couple months back.
I put in two months worth ofwork, and you expect two months
worth of improvement, which Idid, and uh way off my my PP,
but but very happy with with theresult.
Um yeah, very happy for myselfand obviously the the various
teams that I I I was coaching atthe time, they they've done
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very well as well.
Danielle Spurling (02:38):
So you're based in Hong Kong.
Have you lived there your wholelife or um have you lived other
places?
Dominic Zsui (02:45):
No, I I I I grew up in Hong Kong.
Um, in fact, in in the Wanchaiarea.
So when people ask me where I'mfrom, I'm from Wang Chai.
I'm from Hong Kong.
Uh I went to boarding school umwhen I was 18 to do A levels in
the UK, and then I stayed on,studied more, studied more.
Eventually I I did my postgradin electronic engineering and
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stayed and worked.
Um I was and then and then Imoved to Tokyo with the company
I was working for.
Um I was away for a total of 26years before returning to Hong
Kong in 2006.
So at that at that time I spentmore of my life away from Hong
Kong than I was in Hong Kong.
But since then, I've reallybecome a very local, uh, as
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local as you can be, I guess.
Danielle Spurling (03:34):
What what what drew you back to Hong Kong?
Dominic Zsui (03:38):
Work.
And uh very often is the casewith uh people growing older.
You have parents um who needyou who you want to spend more
time with, and that's one of thebig reasons.
Uh and and with a growingfamily, it was I was in Tokyo at
the time.
It wasn't, you know, you don'tget the same kind of culture as
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you do uh back home.
So I moved back and spent moretime with my parents.
And that's basically uh thebest reason to do it.
Danielle Spurling (04:09):
Yeah, I think I think when we when we met in
our Singapore, I mentioned I Ilived in Hong Kong um early
2000s before you you went there,but I wasn't swimming masters
at the time, but close to WangChai, up in um on Titan
Reservoir, sort of up behind upbehind the Cricket Cricket Club.
Yeah.
Dominic Zsui (04:27):
Oh nice, good scenery.
Danielle Spurling (04:29):
Parkview.
Dominic Zsui (04:30):
Yeah, of course, Yaming San Jong.
Danielle Spurling (04:32):
Yes, yeah.
Dominic Zsui (04:33):
Yeah, you have a special bus.
Danielle Spurling (04:35):
Really?
Yes, a special bus.
That's right.
Which is very helpful whenyou've got young children, which
I had at the time.
So um, but I haven't actuallybeen back there, so I must make
it back to Hong Kong one ofthese days.
Dominic Zsui (04:46):
You must.
And and master swimming hasreally grown in the in the last
uh 15 to 18 years, as I can seeit.
Danielle Spurling (04:53):
Yes.
Dominic Zsui (04:54):
Um so it'd be great to have you back and and
maybe swim some masters.
Danielle Spurling (04:58):
Yes, yeah, that that'd be something we uh
we we need to investigate.
I did I did race at that onechild pool when it was an
outdoor pool back in must havebeen 1985.
Dominic Zsui (05:10):
1985.
Danielle Spurling (05:11):
Yeah, yeah, a long time ago when I was still
doing age group swimming, wecame over for a tour of China.
Dominic Zsui (05:17):
Oh yeah.
Yeah, and it was uh niceoutdoor pool.
Danielle Spurling (05:20):
It was uh yeah, it was really nice.
Very hot, very, very hot, Iremember.
Dominic Zsui (05:24):
Very hot, yeah.
You're you're you get very tanas well because you you're
swimming under you know brightdaylight.
Danielle Spurling (05:31):
Yes.
Dominic Zsui (05:32):
Um yeah, so now we don't have it.
We've had a new pool for aboutnine to ten years now, which is
indoor, um, right next to theold pool, which is outdoor,
because they had to make way foruh the train under underground
network.
Um so to do a new pool which isindoor.
And um, so it's all weather.
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Um it works out really wellbecause that's about the time
when I started coaching.
And uh I could then book asession for noon time and people
could still come because therewas no sun, there was no um you
you won't get 10 lines soeasily.
And if you come out from workto swim for an hour and you go
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back all tanned up and goingback to work, as uh also I mean
you don't always want to stay inthe sun.
Uh sometimes it's good.
Sometimes it's good.
Danielle Spurling (06:23):
Yeah, well, I I know that myself.
Coming from Australia, we umyeah, we have such a high
incidence of skin cancer.
I've put all my swimming intothe very, very early mornings
before the sun comes out.
Dominic Zsui (06:35):
Australians tend to do that, yes.
5:30 start or something.
What time do you start?
Danielle Spurling (06:40):
Yeah, 5 45.
Dominic Zsui (06:42):
Oh yeah, yes.
Danielle Spurling (06:44):
It's an early morning.
Dominic Zsui (06:45):
So in the indoor pool, we swim at 7.
So um just before people get towork.
Danielle Spurling (06:52):
Yeah, yeah, it's good.
Oh well, one side's down andsort of near the business
district, isn't it?
So handy for people heading offto work afterwards.
Dominic Zsui (06:59):
Yes.
Danielle Spurling (07:00):
And so you've built a really strong swimming,
master swimming communityyourself called Fast Lane in
Hong Kong.
Can you tell us why you startedit and what you know what sort
of inspired you?
Dominic Zsui (07:12):
My my squad has has done really well.
Um, what started it was when Icame back to Hong Kong, I
started swimming at a at a cluband discovered master swimming.
And at the same time, my sortof mentor coach who became my
mentor, uh John Dempsey, um fromAustralia, from Brisbane,
Radcliffe.
He worked under Ken Wood, uh,who's a very famous coach who's
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no longer with us.
But he he sort of trained mefor you know a few years.
I was a swimmer, not reallystarting a club, but he saw how
keen I was in uh looking atpeople swim.
He said, Oh, why don't youbecome a coach?
Um so I took up some exams,some some learning course, and
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became qualified in 2012.
So that's wow.
That's a wow 14 years ago.
Danielle Spurling (08:04):
Yeah.
Dominic Zsui (08:04):
Yeah.
And then in 2014 I started outon my on my own, um leaving the
club and uh and startedcoaching.
But what got me into it wasreally trying to improve and
using visual effects to helpimprove.
Um, used to do underwater videoanalysis, that's how I thought
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there was a niche of need to dothat to improve their swimming.
So I started filming people anddoing their analysis.
And people would then come, dothe analysis, and go off.
And there was nowhere else topractice.
So I thought, oh, I've got youknow five or six people who have
done that.
And now maybe maybe it's time Istart you know setting up
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sessions so to practice what wewhat we learned from the video
analysis.
And then uh that's how it gotstarted.
And in the early days, I had noaccess to public pool, and it
was very costly to hire a lane,but was able to.
Um and then sometimes therewould be one or two swimmers,
they have no system, it's justword of mouth, you know, I'm
(09:09):
coming tonight, and and and thenyou you you you go there and
wait for people to turn up.
So when you hire a coach, youhire a lane, nobody turns up,
you are it's costing you quite abit of money.
But that's how we how westarted.
And then the team startedbuilding, and then we went to uh
our our first, my my first umworld championship as a coach
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was 2017 in Budapest.
We have seven swimmers goingthen, um, all trying to discover
master swimming.
Of course, I had been a coupleof times before, so I was the
experienced person at going toworld champs.
But since then, um the Wan Chaipool has opened, and uh the
most competitive time for thepool is after school for the
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Elite swimmers.
There was not so many uh masterswimmers at the time that we
could still get access early inthe morning, 7 to 8, and maybe
noontime because the kids arestill at school.
So it's kind of created thisopportunity to swim, master
swimming.
Danielle Spurling (10:16):
How many have you got in the squad?
Dominic Zsui (10:18):
I say about uh up to about 50 uh swimmers uh
who've signed up to the program,but at any one time, at any one
session, uh maybe uh you know10, 14 swimmers turn up.
We've got two 50-meter lane, soI think for adults it's still
very comfortable to have um youknow six or seven in a lane.
Um yeah, I mean I was growingat the same time with John.
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John's team is getting really,really strong.
Um in Hong Kong, the swimmingcommunity is especially master
swimming, you either are at amembers' club.
Uh I can name names, right?
The Ladies Recreation Club, theHong Kong Football Club, and
they cost up to you know 150,000US for membership.
(11:02):
Um so those who did not want tospend that kind of money, not
knowing how long they're goingto stay in Hong Kong, um, you
know, might we need anothersolution.
And this is where I came in andstarted collecting good
swimmers or or having a presenceon the internet helps.
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And then people search andonline they come, and that's how
it got evolved.
Um I mentioned about 2017, andthen the year after in 2018,
there was uh these thingshappened, you know, just just by
chance.
There was a first Asian Mastersswimming competition in Nagoya.
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So we brought a team of itbecame 18 or so swimmers to that
one.
And that's that's when we firstum had a chance to really do
well um in the in the relayteam, especially in the relays,
we started winning gold medalsat that meet, although it's
Asia, but it was just reallythrilling to uh we were four by
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50 meters girls.
We were we were second by abody length or so, and then when
our Fasco dove in and caughtup, that was that was kind of
sensational feeling.
I I can hear myself shouting,yeah, that was that was very,
very, very good.
The anger that's fantastic.
Yeah, it was angered by uh a uhfemale swimmer, quite strong,
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Melissa, who went on to win asilver medal at the World Champs
in Fukuoka in uh 2023.
Danielle Spurling (12:39):
Fantastic.
Dominic Zsui (12:40):
Yeah, she's a very good swimmer.
Danielle Spurling (12:42):
Yep.
And do you do you find becauseI mean Hong Kong there's a lot
of expats that live there, doyou find that you have people
coming in for a few years andthen moving out, or is it more
of a sort of a base that'sliving there permanently?
Dominic Zsui (12:56):
Um both.
There are both.
Um there are those who who'vebeen here for a while.
Um I have a swimmer who's whojoined me in the last this year.
He's been here for 18 years.
But they've never discoveredmaster swimming.
They didn't know there was thisthing going on.
It's it's kind of uh by chanceyou hear it from somebody else,
from somebody else.
Oh, I can do this.
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I used to be a swimmer.
I went to school here andthere.
I used to swim for the school.
Can can I come and join you?
And and now they they theybecome a permanent part of the
team.
And I also have visitors whomove into Hong Kong and then
search online uh and thendiscover fast lane, and then
they they would come and startswimming with me.
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Um so those are the uh so so agood mix.
Danielle Spurling (13:44):
Do you find that the group that you have
more performance focused, or isit more of a social thing, or do
you have a mix of the twogroups in the squad?
Dominic Zsui (13:54):
Definitely, definitely a mix.
So we at Fastlane we have twosort of distinct levels.
One is what we call developmentswimmers, and the other one is
training swimmers.
The development swimmers arethose who can swim freestyle or
you know go up and down the poolbut need some help with uh
technique and uh some sort ofmore formal training.
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The other group are morecompetitive swimming and really
down to training uh to race inmeets, to race in you know, this
world championship thing, is itor travel regionally and to
have fun.
They they yeah, so so we havetwo different groups basically
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for us.
Um but there is another teamthat I coach at the uh Hong Kong
Football Club.
There there's a there's a hugedifference uh of ability and
interest.
So it's a much wider group.
Uh it's people who are justrecreational swimming, um, in
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lane one up to lane four, atriple Olympian swimming in the
lane, got world championswimming in the lane.
Uh, you know, yes, it's areally good mix.
And sometimes they do openwater and sometimes they do a
pool.
And in fact, with that team,but they put up a really strong
relay team for boys, 4x53, um inFukuoka.
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Uh three Olympians plus a worldchampion in the in the relay.
I mean that the goal wasn't,you know, we're not winning, but
there was this target of of aHong Kong record to break.
And um and uh that was a bigswim for me in my in my
coaching.
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And they did it.
And everybody had to.
This is a 160-year-old, so allfour four four swimmers over 40,
and they had to come in averageuh 25-5 for each.
And uh just very proud thatthey they they did it.
Yeah, it was good fun.
It's one of the one of the mostmemorable swims.
Danielle Spurling (16:03):
Relays are relays are very exciting, and I
think when you um you've gotfour motivated athletes like
that and they can all cometogether and make it work,
because as you know, mastershave lots of injuries and
illnesses along the way, so it'sit's hard to get them all there
to the starting line.
Dominic Zsui (16:18):
Never again.
It's not gonna happen again.
So that was aonce-in-a-lifetime.
Danielle Spurling (16:24):
I we had that little we had a relay for a
Singapore, a good chance to, andthen one of our one of our
relay members actually broke herwrist at the end of the 50
freestyle, her individual race.
Um, she her goggles filled upwith water, and it actually she
hit the wall like that.
Green stick fracture, and um,yeah, we were out of the relay,
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and she was in a cast.
So these things happen, andit's it's yeah, it's sad.
Dominic Zsui (16:52):
Yeah, it's it's by by yes.
Yeah, and all at that samemeet, that was one of one of the
most successful meets, and guanGuangzhou was very good.
We went to Guangzhou.
Yes.
We had 19 swimmers, 80 entries,individual entries, and uh we
came back with 10 new Hong Kongrecords.
Danielle Spurling (17:12):
Yes.
Dominic Zsui (17:12):
That was a very successful meet too.
Danielle Spurling (17:14):
Did you go to Doha?
Dominic Zsui (17:16):
We didn't go to Doha.
Uh well, I didn't, but uh, oneof the fasting swimmers went.
Um, she's uh she swims in the50, 50 to 54 age group.
And she won gold?
Right.
Mika, Mika Yamaguchi.
Danielle Spurling (17:31):
Yes, I've seen the name.
Dominic Zsui (17:32):
Yeah, yeah.
She won gold in the uh um 50 or100?
Gold and silver in both.
Danielle Spurling (17:38):
Well done.
50, yeah.
Dominic Zsui (17:39):
She's uh she's a real sprinter.
Danielle Spurling (17:41):
Yeah, fabulous.
Dominic Zsui (17:42):
She works very closely with uh one of the um
person that you've interviewedbefore, uh Rio.
Oh Rio Suke.
Yes, DeMaia.
Danielle Spurling (17:52):
Yes.
Dominic Zsui (17:53):
Both Japanese and they they they they work quite
closely together.
Danielle Spurling (17:58):
Yes, yeah.
He's um he's a character.
I I loved speaking to him.
Yeah.
And you you mentioned obviouslyyou you swam in Singapore as
well as having your swimmersthere.
How did you and you said youyou also mentioned you you've
only you only sort of had twomonths preparation.
When did you fit your owntraining in amongst the sessions
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that you coach?
Dominic Zsui (18:21):
I'm still thinking.
I need to find time.
Danielle Spurling (18:25):
You need to.
Dominic Zsui (18:26):
Um, yeah.
Well, that's one of the reasonswhy I haven't really been
swimming that much.
Yes.
My my day is really quitefilled up.
Um usually I coach early, firstthing in the morning, Monday to
Saturday, and then I coachnoontime, 12 to 1.
After that, I go to a schooland coach from 3, which is about
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25 kilometers away.
Danielle Spurling (18:49):
I see.
Dominic Zsui (18:49):
So I rush, rush to 3 o'clock.
Danielle Spurling (18:52):
Yep.
Dominic Zsui (18:52):
Come back at 5, coach until 6 30.
And then to go swimming.
And also in the last few years,I've I've had shoulder issues,
so uh it gives myself uh someexcuses not to do anything.
Danielle Spurling (19:04):
Yes.
Dominic Zsui (19:05):
But I'm feeling better much better now.
So I am now thinking you have ayou need to have a goal.
Danielle Spurling (19:13):
Yes.
Dominic Zsui (19:13):
So what drives the the team, let's say, even fast
lane or or whoever team, is thatyou have to have a meet or a
race to drive the swimmers.
Yeah.
If your goal is to do the 2027Budapest, which I hope to do, I
hope to be swimming, traininghealthily, and then to reach my
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personal goals.
They are not the same as whatit was 10 years ago.
Danielle Spurling (19:41):
Yes.
Dominic Zsui (19:42):
In 2014, when I was in Montreal, I was um I was
52 years old.
I swam my lifetime PB.
That's amazing.
Amazing.
You know, in 100 free.
So we're not aiming for thatlevel, but somewhere decent,
manageable would be would stillbe a very valid goal.
And and I've been thinking tomyself to to to aim for that, to
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give myself time, to lose somefat, personally.
Although it helps you flow, butit doesn't really my yeah, my
legs sink.
Yeah.
So uh so uh yeah, I think Ithink that should be uh
something that drives not justmyself, but for many people,
including yourself, yes, and allthose master swimmers who are
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looking to compete.
Um having a goal is is veryimportant, knowing what you're
swimming for.
Danielle Spurling (20:35):
Yes, yeah, I agree.
I mean, I if I didn't have agoal, something like the world's
or uh nationals or something, II really would pull back on my
training.
I'd probably still go, but Idon't think I'd do it with the
same intensity.
Dominic Zsui (20:49):
Look at the pools behind you and behind my me.
I don't know why we stop.
Yeah, we should be in the poolall the time.
Danielle Spurling (20:57):
Yes, yes.
Actually, I'm I'm cheating.
This pool behind me is not inVictoria where I live.
It's not in Melbourne, it's upin Queensland.
But it is a it's a beautifulpool.
It's um Koana, which is on theum Sunshine Coast.
Dominic Zsui (21:11):
Oh, up up north.
Danielle Spurling (21:13):
Yeah, up north, yes.
Dominic Zsui (21:15):
Yes.
So I went to the Miami Pool.
Danielle Spurling (21:18):
Uh the Miami Pool, yes.
It's not far from there, yeah.
Dominic Zsui (21:22):
Yeah, but that's um Gold Coast, right?
Danielle Spurling (21:24):
The Australian Gold Coast, yeah,
yeah.
Yeah, Sunshine Coast is upabove.
Yeah, it's beautiful.
Did you do some training thereor did you race?
Dominic Zsui (21:31):
I went to a uh um Astor conference uh down there,
Gold Coast, yes.
And then I I I had a chance tomeet some of the top coaches.
Talking about goals, um moreimmediate for fast lane
swimming.
Um we have six uh masters meeta year in Hong Kong.
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You're most welcome to come andrace in any one of these.
I think we run quite a numberof uh meets compared to other
parts of the world where theyprobably hold just one or two.
But we've got six meets, andyou score as a team um the high
points, okay, and you accumulatethose points for the year to
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give you the championship.
Okay, it's a nice format.
And this year, um after 10years of starting fasting, we
are one of the top three teams.
We've been consistently comingin third, third, third.
The other two teams are wayahead of us.
They've got so many moremembers, so it's really
difficult.
But one more meet to go.
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7th of December.
If we score big, we will be onthe podium for the first time.
Danielle Spurling (22:43):
Fantastic.
Dominic Zsui (22:44):
So I'm I'm really excited to uh you know focus our
training to swim in that meet.
Danielle Spurling (22:50):
And are they all long course meets or short
course meets?
How do they, or they're amixture of the two?
Dominic Zsui (22:55):
Mixture of the two.
They have four long coursemeets and two short courses.
We just had a short course meetat the end of last month.
Um that tend to be very wellattended as well.
People do 25s and just have abit of fun.
Um but uh we got seriousDecember.
Danielle Spurling (23:12):
Yes, that sounds good.
What we'll what we'll actuallydo, we'll put the we'll put the
links.
Maybe if you've got some linksto those competitions, we can
put those in our show notes foranyone that's listening that
their they or their team mightbe interested in coming over.
I know my club might beinterested in coming over, so
we'll we'll definitely um followup on that for everyone that's
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listening too.
Yeah.
Dominic Zsui (23:33):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
That'll be good.
It would be really good to haveyou.
Danielle Spurling (23:38):
I was going to ask you sort of what's your
what are your technicalpriorities with the the master
swimmers that you swim with?
Do you sort of take a anoverview as to each of them
individually, or do you do youdo sort of more of a a squat
approach to the turns and thedives and and the technical side
of things?
Dominic Zsui (23:58):
Um I think it's a bit of both.
We don't have uh 30 swimmers atone time.
We have, let's say, 12.
And you could spend time onindividual uh as well as being
in a squat environment.
But one of the top things thatuh top tip and priority
technique-wise, it's not so muchthe uh physiology of it or the
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biomechanical of it, it's it'sit's just breathing.
You know, when you can'tbreathe when you hold your
breath, that tends to be thebiggest thing that people um
forget to focus on.
You know, breathing.
You you have breathing patternsfor a 50 meter sprint, you have
a breathing pattern for 100,200, and so on.
Um, one of my very good friendswho's who's a uh competitive
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coach for the juniors, everytime we meet, he's just you
can't breathe.
You you you go nowhere, youyou've got to breathe.
So that if you start on that asyour basis, then you know if
you're doing freestyle, whetherthey're breathing into exhaling
into water, and when you comeout, your timing, sometimes when
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your hand is up here in front,your hands in the way.
Your hands at the back, it'stoo late.
You know, focus on that timingwith your with your freestyle.
That is one of the biggestthings to spot, if you like.
And then uh obviouslythroughout the program we would
be doing different sort ofdrills for all four all four
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strokes, turns and starts.
Turns and starts have haveevolved.
So we've had to keep keep upwith time.
You know, my day when you dobreaststrokes, you can't have
your head submerged.
Um I don't think you saw me inthat era.
Danielle Spurling (25:46):
I did.
I did swim in that era.
Dominic Zsui (25:49):
Yes.
Um so it it it evolved.
So the backstroke turn isdifferent, and people want to
learn to cross crossover turn.
I mean, depends on who you are.
It's fun to do if you can doit.
Even the best in the world thatgets de-killed.
Danielle Spurling (26:03):
Yes.
Dominic Zsui (26:04):
And I saw when when some of the McIntosh
actually won or set a firstrecord in the 400 IM, she was
just doing a plain vanilla touchand go.
That works.
So um, yeah, there are lot lotsof new things to to to learn
and to transfer to the swimmers.
But you know, you can't gowrong with breathing.
Danielle Spurling (26:26):
Absolutely.
And I think I I still coach afew sessions a month, and I
that's what I see as the biggestthe biggest fault with swimmers
and myself as well, is thebreathing timing.
And I think once you can fixthat, then the rest of it
follows through.
It all comes back to bodyposition and breathing in my
eyes.
Yeah.
So I'm with you on that.
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Do you find that your do youencourage your swimmers to do a
lot of strength, dry landstrength training, or do you
help them with that or send themoff somewhere?
What's your philosophy withthat?
Dominic Zsui (26:57):
I send them off.
I don't have any uh of thatsort of background, to be
honest.
Um the general you know,stretching uh we we manage, uh,
we can do.
But uh we've got one hour inthe pool.
So you come, you get ready, andyou jump in.
Um there is there are a fewpeople in my squad actually who
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specialize in dry land and whatwe call strength and
strengthened body conditioningor fitness conditioning.
Um a lot of uh a few of thepeople who are keen will go
there to to do their workout.
And there's always the gymavailable that they can do.
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Uh no, we we don't do any focuswork on dry land.
But we plan to, but the entrybarrier for doing that we're
trying to work out is to get agym next to the pool.
That would be ideal.
And then we're actuallythinking to fit that in on a
Friday morning into our program.
Uh when there's no swimming.
We don't swim on a Fridayfasting.
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And we we we've got some goodcoaches lined up and we're
working on bringing that up,bringing that into the program.
Danielle Spurling (28:09):
Yes, yeah, well, it's always working on
something, isn't it?
I think strength training isgaining a lot more traction and
people are realizing that it'simportant to do as you get older
as well, but specifically foryou swimming.
Dominic Zsui (28:23):
Especially with uh with uh images of Cameron
McAvoy um working out in thegym.
unknown (28:30):
Yeah.
Dominic Zsui (28:32):
Yeah.
Danielle Spurling (28:32):
Well, we're probably not gonna go to that
level, but yeah, he's veryinspiring, isn't he?
Dominic Zsui (28:37):
Yes, and uh yeah, and it's got a great following.
He is the world champion andthe world's best.
Danielle Spurling (28:43):
So did you see him a few weeks ago um 25
Freestyle here in Melbourne?
He did a um a short course 25Freestyle and did a 9.36.
Dominic Zsui (28:54):
9.36.
It's amazing.
So actually, I startedfollowing him, following him in
the early 2010s, 2010s, when hewas swimming in the Pan-Pacific
with uh James Madison at thetime, um, I think.
He was so good.
He he has he isn't built aspake, but beautiful swimmer to
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see.
Danielle Spurling (29:17):
And now, of course, James has gone to the
enhanced games.
Dominic Zsui (29:21):
Yes, he has, isn't he?
Danielle Spurling (29:23):
Yes, what are your thoughts on that?
Dominic Zsui (29:26):
Uh I have no comment.
Danielle Spurling (29:29):
Neither do I.
Enough said.
Dominic Zsui (29:36):
We're all adults.
Um so uh you do what you needto do and you justify it to
yourself.
That's a great saying, and thenit's been said a few times this
morning.
A good swimmer, a fast swimmeris a happy swimmer, right?
As you know, and that that'swhy coaching masters is so
different to coaching kids.
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Kids come to work out becauseSometimes it's their parents
taking them.
Adults, they join your groupbecause they want to swim.
If they don't swim hard, it'stheir loss, right?
Whereas kids, if they don'tswim hard, oh yes, I'm saving
myself.
So so so it's it's really theword's probably inspiring to
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coach adults and in a way thatyou know because they want to
come and the energy is all inthe same place together.
It's great.
Love it.
Wouldn't do anything else.
Danielle Spurling (30:36):
I agree, I agree.
And I was going to ask you too,what's the open water swimming
scene like around Hong Kong?
Is there many races?
Dominic Zsui (30:44):
There are many races.
Um, they are very active aswell.
There's a weekly session.
Um they purely just swim openwater.
You probably know the placesRepose Bay, um, Stani, all those
beaches on the south side.
There's a group that goes outon a Saturday morning, and then
there's another group that goesout on a Sunday morning.
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Okay.
Apart from these regularswimming groups, um, the
community there is really quitebig.
You know, you get 20 to 30swimmers each time.
They swim anything up to 10kfrom 3K onwards.
The more serious guys, theythey go a long way.
And in recent years, theythey've also started swimming
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around the Hong Kong Island.
Danielle Spurling (31:27):
Okay.
Dominic Zsui (31:28):
There's a group um, you know, for charity
reasons.
For um, you know, Simon Holidayhas a group called Splash.
Um Alex Fong has a group calledsomething to raise money for
for bringing water to otherregions as a charity.
So those things are happening,and they are now trying to swim
from Hong Kong to Macau aroundLan Tao Island.
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There's all sorts of swimminggoing on, and then there is a
group now that organizes uh openwater races in Discovery Bay,
going out to Pengzhou, um andthe Victoria Recreation Club.
So that's that scene is veryactive.
Very active, yeah.
But you get swimmers who focuson pool, people who like the
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open water, and so on.
So um that's a good mix.
Danielle Spurling (32:20):
I mean, master swimming seems to be
exploding in Asia now.
I mean, obviously, you've got areally vibrant you know
community in Hong Kong andSingapore is up and coming, and
they're starting in Singapore.
Yeah, it seems to be sort ofexpanding.
And I think probably having theworld champs there will
encourage a lot more people nowthat they've had it on their
doorstep.
Dominic Zsui (32:40):
Yeah, a few teams are starting in Singapore, uh,
as I understand.
Um but Hong Kong, I think Ithink also for my for myself, I
gotta really thank uh John uhDempsey, who I mentioned
earlier.
He he arrived in Hong Kong 2007working with the L80s
Recreation Club, the LRC, andhe's really brought master
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swimming uh onto the map of uhswimming because he he started
building this team over the nextsix or seven years, and that's
what made me realize that thereis a a need for non-members.
You know, as in non-membershipat membership clubs, and where
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do you go?
This is where I I I gotstarted.
Danielle Spurling (33:26):
So I I always finish off each talk with the
deep dive five.
It's five quick fire questions,and you just tell me the first
thing that comes to your mind.
Okay, so your favorite pool inthe whole world that you've swum
at?
Dominic Zsui (33:40):
I'll go with one shy pool.
Danielle Spurling (33:42):
Yes.
Okay.
Excellent.
And what about your favoriteopen water swimming spot that
you've ever swum at?
Dominic Zsui (33:50):
Uh let's go with repose.
Uh repose bay.
Danielle Spurling (33:53):
Repulse bay, okay.
What's the water temperaturelike all year round in like
repulse and Stanley?
Is it can you swim therewithout a wetsuit?
Dominic Zsui (34:03):
During COVID in the winter, it got down to 12
degrees or so.
Danielle Spurling (34:10):
I thought it would get cold.
Yeah.
Dominic Zsui (34:12):
And I I don't wear a wetsuit.
So I've swum in in some dayseven colder, air temperature.
Um when it gets warm, it's inits 30s.
Uh these are centigrade.
So um, yeah, it gets reallycold.
But but you know, when all thepools are shut and you have to
do some swimming, that's whatyou do.
Danielle Spurling (34:33):
That's exactly what we had to do too,
yes.
Except ours in um Port PhillipBay, which is just near
Melbourne, um, got down toeight.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Wow.
Danielle Spurling (34:42):
During during COVID, that was yeah, that was
freezing.
I don't I don't want to everhave to do that again.
But yeah, as you say, when youhave to swim, you have to find
somewhere to swim.
What's your favorite uhfreestyle drill that you give
your master swimmers?
Dominic Zsui (34:58):
616 with sculling, hand in front, hand on the
side, kicking on the side, sixcake, um, one arm short, six
cake, one arm short.
So it works on that breathingtiming very well, works on that
feel for water at the same time,and kicking.
I think it's it's wrapped upinto one.
I like that.
Danielle Spurling (35:17):
And how about um your favorite um go-to
training set that you like togive your squad to get them
really firing for a bit ofexplosive speed work?
Dominic Zsui (35:29):
Explosive speed work.
Well, I have a favorite set,but it's not explosive um speed
work.
Danielle Spurling (35:35):
Oh, well, give us give it give us that
one.
Give us your favorite set.
Give us your favourite set.
Dominic Zsui (35:39):
I like broken 400s.
You go at 200, 100, and 250s.
And you break it up in anyother way, reverse, uh, as long
as they're broken 200 groups.
Broken 400, sorry.
Um, and then you do four orfive of those, it makes about
2k.
It's very good for aerobicstraining, and and uh that's my
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go-to.
Danielle Spurling (36:02):
What what intensity do you like your
swimmers to do that at?
Dominic Zsui (36:06):
Swimming at your 200-meter swimming uh pace.
Danielle Spurling (36:09):
200 pace.
Dominic Zsui (36:10):
Yeah, if you can.
Um rest in in between.
So 200, you stop maybe 10-15seconds, 100, and then you can
pick up your speed for your 50s.
Yeah, sometimes you can go theother way, do the 50s first,
depends on if you want the heartrate to go up faster.
Danielle Spurling (36:29):
And how about the swimmer that you most
admire?
Dominic Zsui (36:32):
The one that um really inspired a young person
when I was little was MarkSpitz.
Danielle Spurling (36:38):
Ah, yes.
Dominic Zsui (36:39):
So uh, you know, he he was covered on the t on
the television in those days.
They they were the commentatorswere really making this out to
be a phenomenon.
And you as a young kid, yousaw, whoa, so amazing.
I think he's he's made adifference to me.
Danielle Spurling (36:56):
Yeah, what was it was was it Tokyo where he
won his seven seven medals?
Was it Tokyo or was it Munich.
Um the one Munich, Munich, yes,it was Munich.
Dominic Zsui (37:08):
Before Montreal.
Danielle Spurling (37:10):
That's right, yes.
Dominic Zsui (37:11):
You don't go too far that far back, Daniel.
Danielle Spurling (37:16):
I don't remember, I don't remember
Munich.
Uh probably the first OlympicsI remember at Moscow.
Dominic Zsui (37:24):
Neil Brooks.
They were all in.
Danielle Spurling (37:26):
Oh, Neil Brooks, yes.
I yes.
Yeah, I know, I mean, I don'tknow him.
I remember him.
He was he was in the famousMean Machine, Australian Mean
Machine, with Greg Vasala andMark Stockwell.
Yeah, back in the day.
Dominic Zsui (37:42):
So yeah, Mark Smith.
Danielle Spurling (37:44):
Yeah, fantastic.
Well, Dominic, thank you somuch for talking to us today and
sharing uh a little bit aboutwhat's happening in Master
Swimming in Hong Kong and yourcoaching and swimming.
And hopefully we'll get overthere soon and smoke one of your
meets.
Dominic Zsui (37:58):
Yes.
Well, very welcome.
I'll send you the link to uhsome swimming opportunities here
in in Hong Kong.
Please look me up.
Danielle Spurling (38:07):
That sounds great.
Okay, take care and we'll seeyou next time.
Dominic Zsui (38:11):
Thank you, Danielle.
Danielle Spurling (38:12):
Okay.
Dominic Zsui (38:12):
Thank you.
Danielle Spurling (38:13):
Bye.
Dominic Zsui (38:13):
Bye bye.
Thank you, Bob.
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Hello, swimmers, and welcome to Torpedo
Swim talk, the podcastcelebrating swimmers at every
stage, from masters legends toOlympic champions.
I'm your host, DanielleSpurling, and each week we dive
into inspiring conversationsfrom around the world about
performance, resilience and thepure love of swimming.
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Today's guest is someone who'squietly shaping one of the most
energetic master swimmingcommunities in Asia.
Based in Hong Kong, Dominic Zhuis the coach and founder behind
Fast Lane Masters, a squadthat's become known for smart
training, strong culture, andthe ability to keep swimmers
motivated in one of the world'sbusiest cities.
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Dominic's a jewel threat, acommitted coach guiding adult
swimmers of all levels, and amasters athlete himself, who
recently raced at the WorldChampionships in Singapore.
In this chat, we get into howhe built Fastlane from the
ground up, what he's learnedcoaching adults versus age
groupers, and how he balanceshis own training with leading a
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thriving program.
And also, what's the masterscene like across Asia?
Dominic helps us understandthat too.
He's thoughtful, honest, andabsolutely passionate about
swimming.
Let's hear from Dominic now.
Hi Dominic, welcome to thepodcast.
Dominic Zsui (01:32):
Hey, hello Danielle.
Thank you very much for havingme and uh really good to see
you.
Danielle Spurling (01:39):
Yeah, same, same.
It was really nice.
We uh we we actually met inperson at the World Champs in
Singapore just recently.
Um really nice to see youthere.
How did your swimming go?
Dominic Zsui (01:52):
Um yeah, it was really good to to catch up and
uh meet you at the meet at uh inSingapore.
My swimming went okayconsidering how how I've
approached the the championshipmyself as a swimmer, but uh I'm
more of a coach, so I haven'treally been able to train for
it.
And but I I did quite wellcompared to um how I swam a
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couple months back.
I put in two months worth ofwork, and you expect two months
worth of improvement, which Idid, and uh way off my my PP,
but but very happy with with theresult.
Um yeah, very happy for myselfand obviously the the various
teams that I I I was coaching atthe time, they they've done
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very well as well.
Danielle Spurling (02:38):
So you're based in Hong Kong.
Have you lived there your wholelife or um have you lived other
places?
Dominic Zsui (02:45):
No, I I I I grew up in Hong Kong.
Um, in fact, in in the Wanchaiarea.
So when people ask me where I'mfrom, I'm from Wang Chai.
I'm from Hong Kong.
Uh I went to boarding school umwhen I was 18 to do A levels in
the UK, and then I stayed on,studied more, studied more.
Eventually I I did my postgradin electronic engineering and
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stayed and worked.
Um I was and then and then Imoved to Tokyo with the company
I was working for.
Um I was away for a total of 26years before returning to Hong
Kong in 2006.
So at that at that time I spentmore of my life away from Hong
Kong than I was in Hong Kong.
But since then, I've reallybecome a very local, uh, as
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local as you can be, I guess.
Danielle Spurling (03:34):
What what what drew you back to Hong Kong?
Dominic Zsui (03:38):
Work.
And uh very often is the casewith uh people growing older.
You have parents um who needyou who you want to spend more
time with, and that's one of thebig reasons.
Uh and and with a growingfamily, it was I was in Tokyo at
the time.
It wasn't, you know, you don'tget the same kind of culture as
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you do uh back home.
So I moved back and spent moretime with my parents.
And that's basically uh thebest reason to do it.
Danielle Spurling (04:09):
Yeah, I think I think when we when we met in
our Singapore, I mentioned I Ilived in Hong Kong um early
2000s before you you went there,but I wasn't swimming masters
at the time, but close to WangChai, up in um on Titan
Reservoir, sort of up behind upbehind the Cricket Cricket Club.
Yeah.
Dominic Zsui (04:27):
Oh nice, good scenery.
Danielle Spurling (04:29):
Parkview.
Dominic Zsui (04:30):
Yeah, of course, Yaming San Jong.
Danielle Spurling (04:32):
Yes, yeah.
Dominic Zsui (04:33):
Yeah, you have a special bus.
Danielle Spurling (04:35):
Really?
Yes, a special bus.
That's right.
Which is very helpful whenyou've got young children, which
I had at the time.
So um, but I haven't actuallybeen back there, so I must make
it back to Hong Kong one ofthese days.
Dominic Zsui (04:46):
You must.
And and master swimming hasreally grown in the in the last
uh 15 to 18 years, as I can seeit.
Danielle Spurling (04:53):
Yes.
Dominic Zsui (04:54):
Um so it'd be great to have you back and and
maybe swim some masters.
Danielle Spurling (04:58):
Yes, yeah, that that'd be something we uh
we we need to investigate.
I did I did race at that onechild pool when it was an
outdoor pool back in must havebeen 1985.
Dominic Zsui (05:10):
1985.
Danielle Spurling (05:11):
Yeah, yeah, a long time ago when I was still
doing age group swimming, wecame over for a tour of China.
Dominic Zsui (05:17):
Oh yeah.
Yeah, and it was uh niceoutdoor pool.
Danielle Spurling (05:20):
It was uh yeah, it was really nice.
Very hot, very, very hot, Iremember.
Dominic Zsui (05:24):
Very hot, yeah.
You're you're you get very tanas well because you you're
swimming under you know brightdaylight.
Danielle Spurling (05:31):
Yes.
Dominic Zsui (05:32):
Um yeah, so now we don't have it.
We've had a new pool for aboutnine to ten years now, which is
indoor, um, right next to theold pool, which is outdoor,
because they had to make way foruh the train under underground
network.
Um so to do a new pool which isindoor.
And um, so it's all weather.
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Um it works out really wellbecause that's about the time
when I started coaching.
And uh I could then book asession for noon time and people
could still come because therewas no sun, there was no um you
you won't get 10 lines soeasily.
And if you come out from workto swim for an hour and you go
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back all tanned up and goingback to work, as uh also I mean
you don't always want to stay inthe sun.
Uh sometimes it's good.
Sometimes it's good.
Danielle Spurling (06:23):
Yeah, well, I I know that myself.
Coming from Australia, we umyeah, we have such a high
incidence of skin cancer.
I've put all my swimming intothe very, very early mornings
before the sun comes out.
Dominic Zsui (06:35):
Australians tend to do that, yes.
5:30 start or something.
What time do you start?
Danielle Spurling (06:40):
Yeah, 5 45.
Dominic Zsui (06:42):
Oh yeah, yes.
Danielle Spurling (06:44):
It's an early morning.
Dominic Zsui (06:45):
So in the indoor pool, we swim at 7.
So um just before people get towork.
Danielle Spurling (06:52):
Yeah, yeah, it's good.
Oh well, one side's down andsort of near the business
district, isn't it?
So handy for people heading offto work afterwards.
Dominic Zsui (06:59):
Yes.
Danielle Spurling (07:00):
And so you've built a really strong swimming,
master swimming communityyourself called Fast Lane in
Hong Kong.
Can you tell us why you startedit and what you know what sort
of inspired you?
Dominic Zsui (07:12):
My my squad has has done really well.
Um, what started it was when Icame back to Hong Kong, I
started swimming at a at a cluband discovered master swimming.
And at the same time, my sortof mentor coach who became my
mentor, uh John Dempsey, um fromAustralia, from Brisbane,
Radcliffe.
He worked under Ken Wood, uh,who's a very famous coach who's
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no longer with us.
But he he sort of trained mefor you know a few years.
I was a swimmer, not reallystarting a club, but he saw how
keen I was in uh looking atpeople swim.
He said, Oh, why don't youbecome a coach?
Um so I took up some exams,some some learning course, and
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became qualified in 2012.
So that's wow.
That's a wow 14 years ago.
Danielle Spurling (08:04):
Yeah.
Dominic Zsui (08:04):
Yeah.
And then in 2014 I started outon my on my own, um leaving the
club and uh and startedcoaching.
But what got me into it wasreally trying to improve and
using visual effects to helpimprove.
Um, used to do underwater videoanalysis, that's how I thought
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there was a niche of need to dothat to improve their swimming.
So I started filming people anddoing their analysis.
And people would then come, dothe analysis, and go off.
And there was nowhere else topractice.
So I thought, oh, I've got youknow five or six people who have
done that.
And now maybe maybe it's time Istart you know setting up
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sessions so to practice what wewhat we learned from the video
analysis.
And then uh that's how it gotstarted.
And in the early days, I had noaccess to public pool, and it
was very costly to hire a lane,but was able to.
Um and then sometimes therewould be one or two swimmers,
they have no system, it's justword of mouth, you know, I'm
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coming tonight, and and and thenyou you you you go there and
wait for people to turn up.
So when you hire a coach, youhire a lane, nobody turns up,
you are it's costing you quite abit of money.
But that's how we how westarted.
And then the team startedbuilding, and then we went to uh
our our first, my my first umworld championship as a coach
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was 2017 in Budapest.
We have seven swimmers goingthen, um, all trying to discover
master swimming.
Of course, I had been a coupleof times before, so I was the
experienced person at going toworld champs.
But since then, um the Wan Chaipool has opened, and uh the
most competitive time for thepool is after school for the
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Elite swimmers.
There was not so many uh masterswimmers at the time that we
could still get access early inthe morning, 7 to 8, and maybe
noontime because the kids arestill at school.
So it's kind of created thisopportunity to swim, master
swimming.
Danielle Spurling (10:16):
How many have you got in the squad?
Dominic Zsui (10:18):
I say about uh up to about 50 uh swimmers uh
who've signed up to the program,but at any one time, at any one
session, uh maybe uh you know10, 14 swimmers turn up.
We've got two 50-meter lane, soI think for adults it's still
very comfortable to have um youknow six or seven in a lane.
Um yeah, I mean I was growingat the same time with John.
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John's team is getting really,really strong.
Um in Hong Kong, the swimmingcommunity is especially master
swimming, you either are at amembers' club.
Uh I can name names, right?
The Ladies Recreation Club, theHong Kong Football Club, and
they cost up to you know 150,000US for membership.
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Um so those who did not want tospend that kind of money, not
knowing how long they're goingto stay in Hong Kong, um, you
know, might we need anothersolution.
And this is where I came in andstarted collecting good
swimmers or or having a presenceon the internet helps.
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And then people search andonline they come, and that's how
it got evolved.
Um I mentioned about 2017, andthen the year after in 2018,
there was uh these thingshappened, you know, just just by
chance.
There was a first Asian Mastersswimming competition in Nagoya.
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So we brought a team of itbecame 18 or so swimmers to that
one.
And that's that's when we firstum had a chance to really do
well um in the in the relayteam, especially in the relays,
we started winning gold medalsat that meet, although it's
Asia, but it was just reallythrilling to uh we were four by
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50 meters girls.
We were we were second by abody length or so, and then when
our Fasco dove in and caughtup, that was that was kind of
sensational feeling.
I I can hear myself shouting,yeah, that was that was very,
very, very good.
The anger that's fantastic.
Yeah, it was angered by uh a uhfemale swimmer, quite strong,
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Melissa, who went on to win asilver medal at the World Champs
in Fukuoka in uh 2023.
Danielle Spurling (12:39):
Fantastic.
Dominic Zsui (12:40):
Yeah, she's a very good swimmer.
Danielle Spurling (12:42):
Yep.
And do you do you find becauseI mean Hong Kong there's a lot
of expats that live there, doyou find that you have people
coming in for a few years andthen moving out, or is it more
of a sort of a base that'sliving there permanently?
Dominic Zsui (12:56):
Um both.
There are both.
Um there are those who who'vebeen here for a while.
Um I have a swimmer who's whojoined me in the last this year.
He's been here for 18 years.
But they've never discoveredmaster swimming.
They didn't know there was thisthing going on.
It's it's kind of uh by chanceyou hear it from somebody else,
from somebody else.
Oh, I can do this.
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I used to be a swimmer.
I went to school here andthere.
I used to swim for the school.
Can can I come and join you?
And and now they they theybecome a permanent part of the
team.
And I also have visitors whomove into Hong Kong and then
search online uh and thendiscover fast lane, and then
they they would come and startswimming with me.
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Um so those are the uh so so agood mix.
Danielle Spurling (13:44):
Do you find that the group that you have
more performance focused, or isit more of a social thing, or do
you have a mix of the twogroups in the squad?
Dominic Zsui (13:54):
Definitely, definitely a mix.
So we at Fastlane we have twosort of distinct levels.
One is what we call developmentswimmers, and the other one is
training swimmers.
The development swimmers arethose who can swim freestyle or
you know go up and down the poolbut need some help with uh
technique and uh some sort ofmore formal training.
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The other group are morecompetitive swimming and really
down to training uh to race inmeets, to race in you know, this
world championship thing, is itor travel regionally and to
have fun.
They they yeah, so so we havetwo different groups basically
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for us.
Um but there is another teamthat I coach at the uh Hong Kong
Football Club.
There there's a there's a hugedifference uh of ability and
interest.
So it's a much wider group.
Uh it's people who are justrecreational swimming, um, in
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lane one up to lane four, atriple Olympian swimming in the
lane, got world championswimming in the lane.
Uh, you know, yes, it's areally good mix.
And sometimes they do openwater and sometimes they do a
pool.
And in fact, with that team,but they put up a really strong
relay team for boys, 4x53, um inFukuoka.
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Uh three Olympians plus a worldchampion in the in the relay.
I mean that the goal wasn't,you know, we're not winning, but
there was this target of of aHong Kong record to break.
And um and uh that was a bigswim for me in my in my
coaching.
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And they did it.
And everybody had to.
This is a 160-year-old, so allfour four four swimmers over 40,
and they had to come in averageuh 25-5 for each.
And uh just very proud thatthey they they did it.
Yeah, it was good fun.
It's one of the one of the mostmemorable swims.
Danielle Spurling (16:03):
Relays are relays are very exciting, and I
think when you um you've gotfour motivated athletes like
that and they can all cometogether and make it work,
because as you know, mastershave lots of injuries and
illnesses along the way, so it'sit's hard to get them all there
to the starting line.
Dominic Zsui (16:18):
Never again.
It's not gonna happen again.
So that was aonce-in-a-lifetime.
Danielle Spurling (16:24):
I we had that little we had a relay for a
Singapore, a good chance to, andthen one of our one of our
relay members actually broke herwrist at the end of the 50
freestyle, her individual race.
Um, she her goggles filled upwith water, and it actually she
hit the wall like that.
Green stick fracture, and um,yeah, we were out of the relay,
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and she was in a cast.
So these things happen, andit's it's yeah, it's sad.
Dominic Zsui (16:52):
Yeah, it's it's by by yes.
Yeah, and all at that samemeet, that was one of one of the
most successful meets, and guanGuangzhou was very good.
We went to Guangzhou.
Yes.
We had 19 swimmers, 80 entries,individual entries, and uh we
came back with 10 new Hong Kongrecords.
Danielle Spurling (17:12):
Yes.
Dominic Zsui (17:12):
That was a very successful meet too.
Danielle Spurling (17:14):
Did you go to Doha?
Dominic Zsui (17:16):
We didn't go to Doha.
Uh well, I didn't, but uh, oneof the fasting swimmers went.
Um, she's uh she swims in the50, 50 to 54 age group.
And she won gold?
Right.
Mika, Mika Yamaguchi.
Danielle Spurling (17:31):
Yes, I've seen the name.
Dominic Zsui (17:32):
Yeah, yeah.
She won gold in the uh um 50 or100?
Gold and silver in both.
Danielle Spurling (17:38):
Well done.
50, yeah.
Dominic Zsui (17:39):
She's uh she's a real sprinter.
Danielle Spurling (17:41):
Yeah, fabulous.
Dominic Zsui (17:42):
She works very closely with uh one of the um
person that you've interviewedbefore, uh Rio.
Oh Rio Suke.
Yes, DeMaia.
Danielle Spurling (17:52):
Yes.
Dominic Zsui (17:53):
Both Japanese and they they they they work quite
closely together.
Danielle Spurling (17:58):
Yes, yeah.
He's um he's a character.
I I loved speaking to him.
Yeah.
And you you mentioned obviouslyyou you swam in Singapore as
well as having your swimmersthere.
How did you and you said youyou also mentioned you you've
only you only sort of had twomonths preparation.
When did you fit your owntraining in amongst the sessions
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that you coach?
Dominic Zsui (18:21):
I'm still thinking.
I need to find time.
Danielle Spurling (18:25):
You need to.
Dominic Zsui (18:26):
Um, yeah.
Well, that's one of the reasonswhy I haven't really been
swimming that much.
Yes.
My my day is really quitefilled up.
Um usually I coach early, firstthing in the morning, Monday to
Saturday, and then I coachnoontime, 12 to 1.
After that, I go to a schooland coach from 3, which is about
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25 kilometers away.
Danielle Spurling (18:49):
I see.
Dominic Zsui (18:49):
So I rush, rush to 3 o'clock.
Danielle Spurling (18:52):
Yep.
Dominic Zsui (18:52):
Come back at 5, coach until 6 30.
And then to go swimming.
And also in the last few years,I've I've had shoulder issues,
so uh it gives myself uh someexcuses not to do anything.
Danielle Spurling (19:04):
Yes.
Dominic Zsui (19:05):
But I'm feeling better much better now.
So I am now thinking you have ayou need to have a goal.
Danielle Spurling (19:13):
Yes.
Dominic Zsui (19:13):
So what drives the the team, let's say, even fast
lane or or whoever team, is thatyou have to have a meet or a
race to drive the swimmers.
Yeah.
If your goal is to do the 2027Budapest, which I hope to do, I
hope to be swimming, traininghealthily, and then to reach my
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personal goals.
They are not the same as whatit was 10 years ago.
Danielle Spurling (19:41):
Yes.
Dominic Zsui (19:42):
In 2014, when I was in Montreal, I was um I was
52 years old.
I swam my lifetime PB.
That's amazing.
Amazing.
You know, in 100 free.
So we're not aiming for thatlevel, but somewhere decent,
manageable would be would stillbe a very valid goal.
And and I've been thinking tomyself to to to aim for that, to
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give myself time, to lose somefat, personally.
Although it helps you flow, butit doesn't really my yeah, my
legs sink.
Yeah.
So uh so uh yeah, I think Ithink that should be uh
something that drives not justmyself, but for many people,
including yourself, yes, and allthose master swimmers who are
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looking to compete.
Um having a goal is is veryimportant, knowing what you're
swimming for.
Danielle Spurling (20:35):
Yes, yeah, I agree.
I mean, I if I didn't have agoal, something like the world's
or uh nationals or something, II really would pull back on my
training.
I'd probably still go, but Idon't think I'd do it with the
same intensity.
Dominic Zsui (20:49):
Look at the pools behind you and behind my me.
I don't know why we stop.
Yeah, we should be in the poolall the time.
Danielle Spurling (20:57):
Yes, yes.
Actually, I'm I'm cheating.
This pool behind me is not inVictoria where I live.
It's not in Melbourne, it's upin Queensland.
But it is a it's a beautifulpool.
It's um Koana, which is on theum Sunshine Coast.
Dominic Zsui (21:11):
Oh, up up north.
Danielle Spurling (21:13):
Yeah, up north, yes.
Dominic Zsui (21:15):
Yes.
So I went to the Miami Pool.
Danielle Spurling (21:18):
Uh the Miami Pool, yes.
It's not far from there, yeah.
Dominic Zsui (21:22):
Yeah, but that's um Gold Coast, right?
Danielle Spurling (21:24):
The Australian Gold Coast, yeah,
yeah.
Yeah, Sunshine Coast is upabove.
Yeah, it's beautiful.
Did you do some training thereor did you race?
Dominic Zsui (21:31):
I went to a uh um Astor conference uh down there,
Gold Coast, yes.
And then I I I had a chance tomeet some of the top coaches.
Talking about goals, um moreimmediate for fast lane
swimming.
Um we have six uh masters meeta year in Hong Kong.
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You're most welcome to come andrace in any one of these.
I think we run quite a numberof uh meets compared to other
parts of the world where theyprobably hold just one or two.
But we've got six meets, andyou score as a team um the high
points, okay, and you accumulatethose points for the year to
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give you the championship.
Okay, it's a nice format.
And this year, um after 10years of starting fasting, we
are one of the top three teams.
We've been consistently comingin third, third, third.
The other two teams are wayahead of us.
They've got so many moremembers, so it's really
difficult.
But one more meet to go.
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7th of December.
If we score big, we will be onthe podium for the first time.
Danielle Spurling (22:43):
Fantastic.
Dominic Zsui (22:44):
So I'm I'm really excited to uh you know focus our
training to swim in that meet.
Danielle Spurling (22:50):
And are they all long course meets or short
course meets?
How do they, or they're amixture of the two?
Dominic Zsui (22:55):
Mixture of the two.
They have four long coursemeets and two short courses.
We just had a short course meetat the end of last month.
Um that tend to be very wellattended as well.
People do 25s and just have abit of fun.
Um but uh we got seriousDecember.
Danielle Spurling (23:12):
Yes, that sounds good.
What we'll what we'll actuallydo, we'll put the we'll put the
links.
Maybe if you've got some linksto those competitions, we can
put those in our show notes foranyone that's listening that
their they or their team mightbe interested in coming over.
I know my club might beinterested in coming over, so
we'll we'll definitely um followup on that for everyone that's
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listening too.
Yeah.
Dominic Zsui (23:33):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
That'll be good.
It would be really good to haveyou.
Danielle Spurling (23:38):
I was going to ask you sort of what's your
what are your technicalpriorities with the the master
swimmers that you swim with?
Do you sort of take a anoverview as to each of them
individually, or do you do youdo sort of more of a a squat
approach to the turns and thedives and and the technical side
of things?
Dominic Zsui (23:58):
Um I think it's a bit of both.
We don't have uh 30 swimmers atone time.
We have, let's say, 12.
And you could spend time onindividual uh as well as being
in a squat environment.
But one of the top things thatuh top tip and priority
technique-wise, it's not so muchthe uh physiology of it or the
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biomechanical of it, it's it'sit's just breathing.
You know, when you can'tbreathe when you hold your
breath, that tends to be thebiggest thing that people um
forget to focus on.
You know, breathing.
You you have breathing patternsfor a 50 meter sprint, you have
a breathing pattern for 100,200, and so on.
Um, one of my very good friendswho's who's a uh competitive
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coach for the juniors, everytime we meet, he's just you
can't breathe.
You you you go nowhere, youyou've got to breathe.
So that if you start on that asyour basis, then you know if
you're doing freestyle, whetherthey're breathing into exhaling
into water, and when you comeout, your timing, sometimes when
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your hand is up here in front,your hands in the way.
Your hands at the back, it'stoo late.
You know, focus on that timingwith your with your freestyle.
That is one of the biggestthings to spot, if you like.
And then uh obviouslythroughout the program we would
be doing different sort ofdrills for all four all four
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strokes, turns and starts.
Turns and starts have haveevolved.
So we've had to keep keep upwith time.
You know, my day when you dobreaststrokes, you can't have
your head submerged.
Um I don't think you saw me inthat era.
Danielle Spurling (25:46):
I did.
I did swim in that era.
Dominic Zsui (25:49):
Yes.
Um so it it it evolved.
So the backstroke turn isdifferent, and people want to
learn to cross crossover turn.
I mean, depends on who you are.
It's fun to do if you can doit.
Even the best in the world thatgets de-killed.
Danielle Spurling (26:03):
Yes.
Dominic Zsui (26:04):
And I saw when when some of the McIntosh
actually won or set a firstrecord in the 400 IM, she was
just doing a plain vanilla touchand go.
That works.
So um, yeah, there are lot lotsof new things to to to learn
and to transfer to the swimmers.
But you know, you can't gowrong with breathing.
Danielle Spurling (26:26):
Absolutely.
And I think I I still coach afew sessions a month, and I
that's what I see as the biggestthe biggest fault with swimmers
and myself as well, is thebreathing timing.
And I think once you can fixthat, then the rest of it
follows through.
It all comes back to bodyposition and breathing in my
eyes.
Yeah.
So I'm with you on that.
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Do you find that your do youencourage your swimmers to do a
lot of strength, dry landstrength training, or do you
help them with that or send themoff somewhere?
What's your philosophy withthat?
Dominic Zsui (26:57):
I send them off.
I don't have any uh of thatsort of background, to be
honest.
Um the general you know,stretching uh we we manage, uh,
we can do.
But uh we've got one hour inthe pool.
So you come, you get ready, andyou jump in.
Um there is there are a fewpeople in my squad actually who
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specialize in dry land and whatwe call strength and
strengthened body conditioningor fitness conditioning.
Um a lot of uh a few of thepeople who are keen will go
there to to do their workout.
And there's always the gymavailable that they can do.
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Uh no, we we don't do any focuswork on dry land.
But we plan to, but the entrybarrier for doing that we're
trying to work out is to get agym next to the pool.
That would be ideal.
And then we're actuallythinking to fit that in on a
Friday morning into our program.
Uh when there's no swimming.
We don't swim on a Fridayfasting.
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And we we we've got some goodcoaches lined up and we're
working on bringing that up,bringing that into the program.
Danielle Spurling (28:09):
Yes, yeah, well, it's always working on
something, isn't it?
I think strength training isgaining a lot more traction and
people are realizing that it'simportant to do as you get older
as well, but specifically foryou swimming.
Dominic Zsui (28:23):
Especially with uh with uh images of Cameron
McAvoy um working out in thegym.
unknown (28:30):
Yeah.
Dominic Zsui (28:32):
Yeah.
Danielle Spurling (28:32):
Well, we're probably not gonna go to that
level, but yeah, he's veryinspiring, isn't he?
Dominic Zsui (28:37):
Yes, and uh yeah, and it's got a great following.
He is the world champion andthe world's best.
Danielle Spurling (28:43):
So did you see him a few weeks ago um 25
Freestyle here in Melbourne?
He did a um a short course 25Freestyle and did a 9.36.
Dominic Zsui (28:54):
9.36.
It's amazing.
So actually, I startedfollowing him, following him in
the early 2010s, 2010s, when hewas swimming in the Pan-Pacific
with uh James Madison at thetime, um, I think.
He was so good.
He he has he isn't built aspake, but beautiful swimmer to
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see.
Danielle Spurling (29:17):
And now, of course, James has gone to the
enhanced games.
Dominic Zsui (29:21):
Yes, he has, isn't he?
Danielle Spurling (29:23):
Yes, what are your thoughts on that?
Dominic Zsui (29:26):
Uh I have no comment.
Danielle Spurling (29:29):
Neither do I.
Enough said.
Dominic Zsui (29:36):
We're all adults.
Um so uh you do what you needto do and you justify it to
yourself.
That's a great saying, and thenit's been said a few times this
morning.
A good swimmer, a fast swimmeris a happy swimmer, right?
As you know, and that that'swhy coaching masters is so
different to coaching kids.
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Kids come to work out becauseSometimes it's their parents
taking them.
Adults, they join your groupbecause they want to swim.
If they don't swim hard, it'stheir loss, right?
Whereas kids, if they don'tswim hard, oh yes, I'm saving
myself.
So so so it's it's really theword's probably inspiring to
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coach adults and in a way thatyou know because they want to
come and the energy is all inthe same place together.
It's great.
Love it.
Wouldn't do anything else.
Danielle Spurling (30:36):
I agree, I agree.
And I was going to ask you too,what's the open water swimming
scene like around Hong Kong?
Is there many races?
Dominic Zsui (30:44):
There are many races.
Um, they are very active aswell.
There's a weekly session.
Um they purely just swim openwater.
You probably know the placesRepose Bay, um, Stani, all those
beaches on the south side.
There's a group that goes outon a Saturday morning, and then
there's another group that goesout on a Sunday morning.
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Okay.
Apart from these regularswimming groups, um, the
community there is really quitebig.
You know, you get 20 to 30swimmers each time.
They swim anything up to 10kfrom 3K onwards.
The more serious guys, theythey go a long way.
And in recent years, theythey've also started swimming
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around the Hong Kong Island.
Danielle Spurling (31:27):
Okay.
Dominic Zsui (31:28):
There's a group um, you know, for charity
reasons.
For um, you know, Simon Holidayhas a group called Splash.
Um Alex Fong has a group calledsomething to raise money for
for bringing water to otherregions as a charity.
So those things are happening,and they are now trying to swim
from Hong Kong to Macau aroundLan Tao Island.
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There's all sorts of swimminggoing on, and then there is a
group now that organizes uh openwater races in Discovery Bay,
going out to Pengzhou, um andthe Victoria Recreation Club.
So that's that scene is veryactive.
Very active, yeah.
But you get swimmers who focuson pool, people who like the
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open water, and so on.
So um that's a good mix.
Danielle Spurling (32:20):
I mean, master swimming seems to be
exploding in Asia now.
I mean, obviously, you've got areally vibrant you know
community in Hong Kong andSingapore is up and coming, and
they're starting in Singapore.
Yeah, it seems to be sort ofexpanding.
And I think probably having theworld champs there will
encourage a lot more people nowthat they've had it on their
doorstep.
Dominic Zsui (32:40):
Yeah, a few teams are starting in Singapore, uh,
as I understand.
Um but Hong Kong, I think Ithink also for my for myself, I
gotta really thank uh John uhDempsey, who I mentioned
earlier.
He he arrived in Hong Kong 2007working with the L80s
Recreation Club, the LRC, andhe's really brought master
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swimming uh onto the map of uhswimming because he he started
building this team over the nextsix or seven years, and that's
what made me realize that thereis a a need for non-members.
You know, as in non-membershipat membership clubs, and where
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do you go?
This is where I I I gotstarted.
Danielle Spurling (33:26):
So I I always finish off each talk with the
deep dive five.
It's five quick fire questions,and you just tell me the first
thing that comes to your mind.
Okay, so your favorite pool inthe whole world that you've swum
at?
Dominic Zsui (33:40):
I'll go with one shy pool.
Danielle Spurling (33:42):
Yes.
Okay.
Excellent.
And what about your favoriteopen water swimming spot that
you've ever swum at?
Dominic Zsui (33:50):
Uh let's go with repose.
Uh repose bay.
Danielle Spurling (33:53):
Repulse bay, okay.
What's the water temperaturelike all year round in like
repulse and Stanley?
Is it can you swim therewithout a wetsuit?
Dominic Zsui (34:03):
During COVID in the winter, it got down to 12
degrees or so.
Danielle Spurling (34:10):
I thought it would get cold.
Yeah.
Dominic Zsui (34:12):
And I I don't wear a wetsuit.
So I've swum in in some dayseven colder, air temperature.
Um when it gets warm, it's inits 30s.
Uh these are centigrade.
So um, yeah, it gets reallycold.
But but you know, when all thepools are shut and you have to
do some swimming, that's whatyou do.
Danielle Spurling (34:33):
That's exactly what we had to do too,
yes.
Except ours in um Port PhillipBay, which is just near
Melbourne, um, got down toeight.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Wow.
Danielle Spurling (34:42):
During during COVID, that was yeah, that was
freezing.
I don't I don't want to everhave to do that again.
But yeah, as you say, when youhave to swim, you have to find
somewhere to swim.
What's your favorite uhfreestyle drill that you give
your master swimmers?
Dominic Zsui (34:58):
616 with sculling, hand in front, hand on the
side, kicking on the side, sixcake, um, one arm short, six
cake, one arm short.
So it works on that breathingtiming very well, works on that
feel for water at the same time,and kicking.
I think it's it's wrapped upinto one.
I like that.
Danielle Spurling (35:17):
And how about um your favorite um go-to
training set that you like togive your squad to get them
really firing for a bit ofexplosive speed work?
Dominic Zsui (35:29):
Explosive speed work.
Well, I have a favorite set,but it's not explosive um speed
work.
Danielle Spurling (35:35):
Oh, well, give us give it give us that
one.
Give us your favorite set.
Give us your favourite set.
Dominic Zsui (35:39):
I like broken 400s.
You go at 200, 100, and 250s.
And you break it up in anyother way, reverse, uh, as long
as they're broken 200 groups.
Broken 400, sorry.
Um, and then you do four orfive of those, it makes about
2k.
It's very good for aerobicstraining, and and uh that's my
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go-to.
Danielle Spurling (36:02):
What what intensity do you like your
swimmers to do that at?
Dominic Zsui (36:06):
Swimming at your 200-meter swimming uh pace.
Danielle Spurling (36:09):
200 pace.
Dominic Zsui (36:10):
Yeah, if you can.
Um rest in in between.
So 200, you stop maybe 10-15seconds, 100, and then you can
pick up your speed for your 50s.
Yeah, sometimes you can go theother way, do the 50s first,
depends on if you want the heartrate to go up faster.
Danielle Spurling (36:29):
And how about the swimmer that you most
admire?
Dominic Zsui (36:32):
The one that um really inspired a young person
when I was little was MarkSpitz.
Danielle Spurling (36:38):
Ah, yes.
Dominic Zsui (36:39):
So uh, you know, he he was covered on the t on
the television in those days.
They they were the commentatorswere really making this out to
be a phenomenon.
And you as a young kid, yousaw, whoa, so amazing.
I think he's he's made adifference to me.
Danielle Spurling (36:56):
Yeah, what was it was was it Tokyo where he
won his seven seven medals?
Was it Tokyo or was it Munich.
Um the one Munich, Munich, yes,it was Munich.
Dominic Zsui (37:08):
Before Montreal.
Danielle Spurling (37:10):
That's right, yes.
Dominic Zsui (37:11):
You don't go too far that far back, Daniel.
Danielle Spurling (37:16):
I don't remember, I don't remember
Munich.
Uh probably the first OlympicsI remember at Moscow.
Dominic Zsui (37:24):
Neil Brooks.
They were all in.
Danielle Spurling (37:26):
Oh, Neil Brooks, yes.
I yes.
Yeah, I know, I mean, I don'tknow him.
I remember him.
He was he was in the famousMean Machine, Australian Mean
Machine, with Greg Vasala andMark Stockwell.
Yeah, back in the day.
Dominic Zsui (37:42):
So yeah, Mark Smith.
Danielle Spurling (37:44):
Yeah, fantastic.
Well, Dominic, thank you somuch for talking to us today and
sharing uh a little bit aboutwhat's happening in Master
Swimming in Hong Kong and yourcoaching and swimming.
And hopefully we'll get overthere soon and smoke one of your
meets.
Dominic Zsui (37:58):
Yes.
Well, very welcome.
I'll send you the link to uhsome swimming opportunities here
in in Hong Kong.
Please look me up.
Danielle Spurling (38:07):
That sounds great.
Okay, take care and we'll seeyou next time.
Dominic Zsui (38:11):
Thank you, Danielle.
Danielle Spurling (38:12):
Okay.
Dominic Zsui (38:12):
Thank you.
Danielle Spurling (38:13):
Bye.
Dominic Zsui (38:13):
Bye bye.
Thank you, Bob.
Danielle Spurling (38:17):
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