Today's guest on Torpedo Swimtalk Podcast is Lisandra de Carvalho, a Brazilian-born swimmer now making waves in Melbourne, Australia. As we navigate through her impressive swimming journey, you'll hear how she transitioned from a top National Age Group swimmer in Brazil to training with elite coaches in the US, ultimately earning an athletic scholarship to swim at UMBC and now conquering masters swimming as a number one world ranked butterflier.
Lisandra shares her thoughts on training as a masters swimmer, and what works for her. She is a big believer in recovery technique, with massage, ice baths and accupuncture being cornerstones of her weekly schedule. We dissect her strategies for conquering the 200 butterfly event and discuss pacing, the importance of rhythm and her tips to manage both physical and mental hurdles during the race. We also delve into the emotional aspects of competing, touching on the unique pressures and satisfactions that come with high-level performance.
Lisandra lends her insights on pool swimming versus ocean swimming, favourite training routines and mindfulness techniques that enhance both physical and mental health.
This episode of Torpedo Swimtalk Podcast offers a rich blend of inspiration, practical advice, and heartfelt stories from the world of competitive swimming. Tune in for a refreshing dive into the life and experiences of Lisandra de Carvalho
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Danielle Spurling (00:09):
Hello swimmers, and welcome to another
episode of Torpedo Swim Talkpodcast.
I'm your host, DanielleSpurling, and each week we chat
to a wonderful swimmer fromaround the world about their
swimming journey.
I'm joined today by the vibrantand effervescent Lisandra de
Carvalho.
Lisandra hails from Brazil andwas a top National Age Group
(00:33):
swimmer there before heading tocollege in the US and now living
in Australia.
She works as a translator andknocks every Masters swimming
goal out of the pool.
Excuse the pun.
She owns many national mastersage group records in Australia
and is ranked number one in theworld for the 200 fly in her age
group.
They're just some of the manyachievements she's accumulated
(00:56):
under her belt, and there'splenty more to come.
Let's hear from Lisandra now.
Let's hear from Lisandra now.
Hi, Lisandra, welcome to thepodcast.
Hi Danielle, thank you.
Thanks for having me here.
You're so welcome.
I've been wanting to get you onfor a while.
I'm glad you're back fromholidays.
You look like you had aterrific time.
(01:16):
Where did you go, oh?
Lisandra de Carvalho (01:18):
thank you.
Thank you, very happy to behere.
I went to Tonga and fiji fortwo different reasons to tonga
to to swim with the humpbackwhales, and to fiji to to dive
with bull sharks and othersharks.
So it was amazing.
(01:38):
It was amazing, amazing wereyou?
Danielle Spurling (01:40):
were you at all apprehensive, swimming with
the humpbacks and the bullsharks?
Lisandra de Carvalho (01:45):
Yeah, both , both.
You know they're wild animalsand you know we are in their
environment.
But the humpbacks very gentlegiants and it was mostly the
mums and the calves, so they'revery calm.
(02:06):
Some of them are a bitprotective, but yeah, it was a
bit apprehensive.
And with the sharks I was veryscared.
I won't lie, you know.
But I think I read all the 700five-star reviews from
TripAdvisor to give me a bitmore peace of mind and it was
(02:28):
all very, very professional andone of my diving instructors was
this Canadian woman and she wasamazing and I just, oh, I just
admired her so much but yeah, itwas scary.
There were 50, 60 sharksswimming around you and it was
(02:49):
very exhilarating.
It was amazing.
I recommend, I recommend yeah.
Danielle Spurling (02:54):
I mean, I don't know whether I'd have the
confidence to do that.
Lisandra de Carvalho (02:58):
Yeah, with the dive we were 30 metres deep
.
That's you know how deep thethe dive, how deep we have to go
.
Um, but it was amazing how safeI felt once I was down there
with the guides.
They only have a stick and theypop the sharks in the nose.
It was amazing.
(03:18):
But they just swim away.
Um, it was a beta dive, so theyfeed them just very small
amounts of heads of tuna, so forthe sharks the tuna is like a
delicious lasagna fresh off theoven.
Us humans there, we're justlettuce with not even olive oil,
(03:44):
so they don't pay attention tous.
Well, that's good.
Danielle Spurling (03:47):
I'm glad they did it, thank you.
So you're based in Melbourne,australia, but originally from
Brazil.
What?
What brought you here initiallyand how long have you lived
here?
Lisandra de Carvalho (03:57):
so yeah, originally from Brazil, I've
been in Melbourne for nearly 17years now and I was actually
living in London and I justfinished my master's degree
there and I just needed a change.
I had some Aussie friends andmoved to Australia and I fell in
(04:22):
love with the place, fell inlove with Melbourne.
I moved to Melbourne and I'vealways lived in Melbourne and I
absolutely love Melbourne too.
Danielle Spurling (04:30):
Yeah, that's fantastic.
Well, we're happy to have youhere.
Lisandra de Carvalho (04:32):
Very happy to have you here.
Danielle Spurling (04:34):
Thank you, did you swim when you were in.
Lisandra de Carvalho (04:35):
Brazil.
So I swam, I swam when I was inBrazil, I swam.
My coach was AlbertinoAlbertino Silva and he coached
Cesar Cielo and other he's.
He's coaching the Portuguesenational team now.
So that was.
That was my coach.
He's the one who showed me thatI could swim 200 butterfly.
(05:01):
And when I was a Brazilian agegroup champion in the 200
butterfly and when I was abrazilian age group champion in
the 200 butterfly, and when Iturned 18, I moved to
jacksonville, florida, and Iswam at bowls with greg troy for
a short period of time withGreg Troy for a short period of
(05:23):
time, about six months.
And then I applied for a fewAmerican universities and I was
accepted at one of them, UMBC,and I had an athletic
scholarship and then I swam fouryears in the United States.
Danielle Spurling (05:40):
Wow, what was that?
Lisandra de Carvalho (05:41):
experience like it was amazing.
It was really good for years ofmy life where I could focus on
the swimming.
We still had to get good grades.
We had to get the grade pointaverage, have a good GPA, but I
(06:01):
was very studious too, so it wasamazing at the team spirit and
the friends that I made there.
I'm still in touch with a lotof them.
We don't see each other, but wecelebrate each other's
victories and I keep in touch.
And I got married last year andsome of them a few them, you
(06:25):
know came to my wedding eventhough I hadn't seen them or
talked to them.
You know the bond that Icreated with the friends.
There is something very strongand um, and I love it.
But it was hard work too.
You know, I have, um, some sexthat I still remember is almost
(06:46):
like ptsd, you know just, I havesome sets that I still remember
.
It's almost like PTSD, you know, just to think about them
giving me butterflies in mystomach.
But it was a great experience.
Yeah, I learned a lot and Igrew a lot as an athlete and as
a person as well.
Danielle Spurling (07:02):
How did you find living away from home at
such a young age?
Did you find that difficult?
Lisandra de Carvalho (07:07):
very difficult.
Um, I was 18.
You know my poor parents, I hadbarely turned 18 and um, but
they trusted me.
They knew I wanted to swim.
You know that's what I wantedand they trusted me to.
And they said you know, yourbedroom is always here, you can
(07:28):
always come back and I guesshaving the comfort you know.
But I knew I wouldn't come back.
You know I already I went on amission and I was determined and
driven to swim well and to dosomething I loved.
Danielle Spurling (07:43):
Ultimately, and what was that college in
Division I, Division II yeah,division I.
Lisandra de Carvalho (07:52):
Yeah, university of Maryland,
baltimore County and justoutside Baltimore, I absolutely
love that city.
It makes me smile just thinkingabout it and those years
absolutely love that city.
Yeah, it makes me smile justthinking about it and those
years.
And division one, ecac, um, andI just absolutely loved racing
(08:12):
the the winter, that's um whenthe swimming season was, and
competitions every weekend, umand just um representing my, my
university it was.
It was full-on, but I loved it.
I loved it.
Danielle Spurling (08:31):
The team culture there is amazing as well
yeah, I mean from a distance itlooks amazing, so I can only
imagine.
Up close.
It must be really exhilaratingto have that sort of the
cheering of your teammates andyeah, exactly, exactly, yeah, it
was it was quite special, andyou mentioned that you had some
killer sets from from back then.
(08:52):
What, what's something?
Lisandra de Carvalho (08:53):
that sort of pops into your mind most
monday mornings you know it waswe used to do 1, 100, 2, 200, 3,
300, 4, 400, 5, 500.
It's, it's a 5K.
You know, just to boom, startthe week I've done 15, 200
butterfly.
Oh, that's a killer, it's akiller.
(09:14):
And every third at the 150meter mark we had to scream or
yell something or go.
Ah, you know, our coach made itfun for us but barely had air.
But I remember that, that.
You know that we had to screamsomething in the last lap.
That was one of the sets.
(09:35):
Or we had some killer um 850son three minutes but electric
acid that we.
We had to swim, we had to sitdown by the wall and and then go
on the block again and swim andsit by the wall.
We couldn't move, you know,just let.
Yeah, it sounds a bit liketorture, but yes, these are some
(09:59):
of the sets.
Danielle Spurling (10:00):
Yeah well, no wonder you're so great at turns
.
You must have had all thatpractice in short course yards
yeah, yeah, short course yards.
Lisandra de Carvalho (10:07):
So you, you either learn, you know, or
or you struggle in your races.
So, um, I actually my coach,used to hold a broom.
This was in the 90s.
Yeah, this is in the late 90s.
He used to swing a broom.
So if you're swimming, fly, andif you didn't touch the wall
(10:28):
and turn fast enough, you getswung with a broom on your face.
Oh no, that's not good.
That's not good.
But you know, I'm good at turns.
I don't think I ever was hit bythe broom, but, yeah, that's
good Swimming in the 90s is adifferent story.
Danielle Spurling (10:46):
Yeah, she wouldn't be able to get away
with that now, would you no?
Lisandra de Carvalho (10:49):
no, no, and the aim my coach had with
the kickboard.
He could pick any swimmer there.
Stop them for a strokecorrection.
You know it was amazing.
Danielle Spurling (11:01):
It'd be like lane three, lay three, third
swimmer Bang, throw thekickboard bang and did you roll
straight into master swimmingafter you had finished college
or you took a break?
Lisandra de Carvalho (11:12):
No, so I finished college and I took a
five year break.
Five or six years.
I needed a break, you know,when I finished college and I
moved to London to do a master'sdegree as well.
So I felt that I dedicated alot of time to swimming and it
was time to dedicate some timeto my studies.
(11:35):
So and I was a bit burnt out byit all you know from all the
years of competition and I waslooking forward to having the
actual time as well to do otherthings.
You know that I didn't havetime to do before, but primarily
for my studies.
Danielle Spurling (11:55):
Yes, yes.
And so what year did you pickup master swimming again?
So?
Lisandra de Carvalho (12:01):
I moved to Australia December 2006.
So I think it was end of 2007,beginning of 2008, that I picked
up master swimming again and Idid a trial with PowerPoints.
And I still swim withPowerPoints and I think I don't
(12:21):
know if it was 2008 or 9 thatbrenton ford started coaching us
and we had, I don't know, maybesix, eight glorious years with
brenton.
Um, it, yeah, it was.
It was amazing, um, to have himas a coach and it was a good
way to to go back to swimming,to master swimming as well.
Danielle Spurling (12:42):
So that's how it all started.
Yeah, he's a great coach,really good coach.
I used to actually swim withhis.
I used to swim with his father.
Oh, did you?
He's a little bit older than me, but Brian.
Lisandra de Carvalho (12:53):
Ford.
Yeah, brian Ford, he's lovely,lovely yeah, lovely guy yeah oh,
how funny.
Danielle Spurling (12:59):
Yeah it's, it's a small world.
Lisandra de Carvalho (13:00):
Small world.
I still, you know, I still askBrenton to help me with stroke
correction.
Sometimes you know if I,whenever he's in Melbourne or
flying all over the world doinghis clinics he's just a great
coach and I still I always needhelp, but I think I I can always
(13:22):
improve, but he helps me a lotstill yeah, well, he's obviously
helped you, but you've got somuch talent yourself because
last year you were ranked numberone in the world in the 200
butterfly in your age group forlong course meters.
Danielle Spurling (13:35):
Thank you, walk us through how your
training and your dedication gotyou to that number one spot,
because that's something that weall want yeah, thank you, thank
you.
Lisandra de Carvalho (13:48):
Well, 200 fly has always been my race, my
baby and um, I've not alwaysraced well, you know, I've died.
I've died hard, you know I.
I know it hurts, um, and Ithink, especially last year, I
(14:09):
think after my 40s, I had tochange my training a bit because
of recovery.
You know, I couldn't do justhard set after hard session
after hard session.
I need time to recover, and soonce I acknowledged that and I
did more recovery, you know Icould push harder in other
(14:32):
sessions.
So I basically swim four timesa week when the stars align
Monday, more long distance,tuesday, combine Friday swim
with Jenny Bucknell, fly sprintsor fly sets, and then I try
either Saturday, or I swim on aTuesday or Thursday, depending
(14:55):
on work.
I have different trainingpartners, you know.
So whoever can join me?
I'm not good at training bymyself in the pool.
I lost two K partners, you know.
So whoever can join me, I'm notgood at training by myself in
the pool.
I lost two Ks, you know.
But I prefer to train, yeah,with somebody.
So whoever can train with me tomake up for this fourth session
.
So it's basically four sessionsin the pool and two sessions in
(15:21):
the gym four sessions in thepool and two sessions in the gym
um strengthening andconditioning and one yoga.
Yeah, I love my yoga.
I wish I could do more, but,you know, just for stretching
and more mobility as well.
Danielle Spurling (15:33):
So, yeah, and consistency, trying to do, you
know, four sessions a week, twogyms, yoga, consistently yes, I
think consistency is somethingthat's really important,
especially as you age and, asyou mentioned, recovery is a
crucial part of being a masterswimmer.
What, what do you find withyour recovery?
(15:54):
What, what works best for you?
Lisandra de Carvalho (15:56):
yeah, yeah .
I think it's hard for me to doback-to-back.
So two hard sessions two daysin a row.
If I do a hard set, let's sayon Monday, I need more recovery
on Tuesday and then I can gohard again on Wednesday.
You know I take creatine,protein collagen, you know all
(16:22):
the magnesium in the world.
I need to feel my body right aswell for it to recover properly
.
Danielle Spurling (16:30):
Are you into ice baths at all or massage or
anything like that?
Lisandra de Carvalho (16:35):
Oh yes, I have quite a team.
I do acupuncture, massage,osteo, you know, depending on
what the niggle is the niggle ofthe week, you know.
So I have quite a team, and myphysio as well, for my shoulders
(16:55):
.
You know, I've had quite a fewshoulder injuries and elbows and
I'm a huge fan of the ice bathsas well.
I've been doing them for over ayear I started my husband.
He loves them too, so it's good.
(17:15):
It's something we can dotogether.
Which may sound weird, a date,it's like a date, a date, a date
.
You know we go, there's thisplace, we go in melbourne.
You know we swap between theice bath and the sauna, you know
, but it's, we have a good timeand um, but I, I truly believe
(17:36):
in nice baths.
There's one in msec as well.
So sometimes, you know, I popto the cold pool and um and have
a dip there, and it helps withthe recovery yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's definitely one that, um, Ineed to put into my schedule.
I do have a blow-up ice bath,but I find it so cold, I know, I
(17:57):
know, and we do have theblow-up ice baths and, yeah, we
used to get five, six bags ofice, but it start.
Just set yourself a goal 30seconds.
That's how I started.
I didn't go in and love it.
I'm Brazilian, I come from thetropics, so that terrified me,
that truly terrified me.
(18:18):
But I was up for the challengetoo, and discovering what aspect
of it terrifies me, you know,it's so cold and I really
learned how to be mindful in theice baths and I love it now.
I love it.
I can't go one week without it.
(18:39):
You know, I truly miss it.
Yeah, yeah.
How long can you stay?
Miss it, yeah, yeah.
Danielle Spurling (18:43):
How long can you stay?
Lisandra de Carvalho (18:44):
in.
Oh, it depends.
Maybe five minutes in atwo-degree pool.
Wow yeah, impressive.
Yeah yeah, it took a while toget there.
You know, and you know itdepends on if you have your
mindset.
You know, physically, you know,you'll be more fragile, maybe
(19:08):
have a cold or didn't sleep toowell, or if you do, at the end
of the day, had a bad day atwork.
You know all those thingsaffected.
It's amazing, you know, and Ilike to sit and figure it out.
Why am I struggling so muchtoday?
You know, why was it so mucheasier yesterday or the week
before?
So it, um, it varies, it, it'snot always easy, um, the first
(19:34):
90 seconds is always hard, it'salways terrible, you know it's,
it's terrible.
Danielle Spurling (19:46):
You know it's , it's, yeah, it's not a walk in
the park.
Going back to the 200 butterfly, give us, give us the, the
strategy that you use to race it, yeah yeah, I am a conservative
um swimmer, so the I take iteasy.
Lisandra de Carvalho (19:58):
I hold back the first first 100.
And then the third 50.
So I just try to first lap, youknow, slow down.
And it's funny because I stillget nervous with the 200 fly.
It's the only race that givesme the real butterflies in my
stomach is the 200 fly.
(20:21):
So I just really have to calmdown, slow down and just feel
the water.
The first 50 meters turn, youknow, get comfortable in your
rhythm.
I always breathe every secondstroke.
Get comfortable in your, inyour rhythm, and build then the
third lap.
Just pick up the pace a bit,because that's normally the
(20:43):
slowest.
You know, if you swim with 200,people tend to to relax too
much on the third lap.
So pick up the pace a littlebit, work on your turn um, and
stay focused.
And by this time I'm burning.
I'm hurting, you know I'm not,but I'm hurting.
You know I'm not.
But I'm just trying to calmmyself down, calm my mind and
(21:08):
focus on my technique as well.
You know, by this time my hipsare dropping, you know.
So keep your hips high, catchthe water, you know, stay, keep
your rhythm, stay true to yourrhythm.
And then the last 25 iswhatever I have left in the tank
(21:31):
, whatever I can give.
You know, and sometimes I havemore, sometimes I have less.
You know, sometimes, um, I'mabsolutely, you know, out of air
when I get to the wall.
Other times I'm like, oh, itwasn't too bad, you know.
Danielle Spurling (21:41):
So that's, that's a wonderful life for me,
yeah yeah, I mean, it's a killerof a race, do you?
Do you find that you keep this,or do you aim to keep the same
stroke rate throughout each ofthe 450s?
Lisandra de Carvalho (21:53):
yes, yes, so 26 to 20.
I count my strokes too um 26.
I try 27 strokes and I try tokeep the same stroke rate which
I normally do.
If I'm not, I know there'ssomething seriously wrong there.
Yeah, which happens sometimes.
You know, recently I think Idon't know where it was, but I
(22:18):
just had a shocking brace and ithurt and my stroke rate was
through the roof.
You know, and it happens, youknow, it just happens Sometimes.
I'm just glad I can get to thewall.
Yes, yes.
Danielle Spurling (22:32):
We'll be back with Lissandra after this short
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Here's a curly question.
So I've seen you race inVictoria and you're one of the
only women that does the 200butterfly, so you're often up
against men.
How do you find that race interms of the backwash that comes
with swimming against them, andwhat are your thoughts on that?
Lisandra de Carvalho (23:35):
yeah, um, I think this is a conversation
we need to have.
I um, I'm in Victoria.
You know I'm swimming rightnext to Darius, you know, who is
an amazing swimmer, and I lovewatching him swim, but I don't
like swimming next to him.
You know, he's such a strongswimmer and there's so much
(23:57):
turbulence and wash.
You know, this is one example,but I feel, a lot of times I am
in the outer lanes, you know,and I have to, and a lot of
times I'm the only woman in the,in the heat, you know, in the
um, and I just have to deal witha lot of the turbulence and the
(24:19):
wave interference and I find itvery hard.
Sometimes it rattles my cage alittle bit.
I think sometimes, you know, ifit was a heat with all women,
it potentially could be better.
Danielle Spurling (24:36):
Yeah, definitely.
I mean, maybe that's somethingthat you know Masters Swimming
Australia can look at, because,you know, obviously at the World
Championships it is single-sexraces.
I suppose we're a little bitsort of restricted by the amount
of people that go into theevents, but it's certainly a
conversation to have with MasterSwimming Australia.
Lisandra de Carvalho (24:58):
Yeah, yeah , it's something.
I know that Master Swimming,swimming, queensland.
You know they separate men andwomen in the shorter events.
You know, 25, 50, 100 I'm notsure if the 200s included or not
, but you know it.
Um, they do it, it works forthem, you know, I think, um,
(25:18):
it's a conversation.
We need to start heavy, maybedo a trial, you know, see how
other women feel about it.
Um, I remember, um thenationals in Hobart.
You know, jenny, jenny Bucknellbroke a world record and I
think she was in lane, I don'tknow, zero one or nine, I don't
(25:39):
know, but I just felt it was solost in, you know, in the last
heat where she was, you know,and um, I think I think women
would get more recognition aswell, or faster women, you know,
if, um, we, if it was separateand also maybe she would have
gone faster in that because shewas behind the the wave and,
(26:03):
being that outside lane, theydon't often have that extra lane
rope on the side, so you've gotthe backwash coming against the
wall, nothing to stop.
Exactly, I know that too well.
You know this year and I swamthe 100 fly and I again out of
(26:26):
lane I think I was the onlywoman and I just felt the
turbulence and the wave and thewash from the man.
You know a couple of mouthfulsof water and obviously you deal
with it, but you know it couldbe different.
You know it could be different.
You know it could be differentit could be different.
Danielle Spurling (26:44):
It's definitely a conversation to
have, isn't it?
Lisandra de Carvalho (26:46):
absolutely .
I invite, yeah, master swimmingvictoria, master swimming
australia, to maybe have thisconversation or maybe talk to
women and see what other.
This is what I think, what Ifeel.
I know jenny feels the same.
I know just cinta, who swims atPowerPoint, feels the same.
You know, maybe talk to morewomen and see what the outcome
(27:11):
is yeah, and maybe get one ofyour.
Danielle Spurling (27:13):
you have a PowerPoint delegate on the
Master Swimming VictoriaCommittee, so maybe that's
something they could bring upwith the committee too, because,
yeah, it needs to go through acommittee-type discussion, I
suppose, before a change can bemade.
Lisandra de Carvalho (27:27):
Yeah, yeah .
So maybe people from thecommittee, you know, be more
open-minded and be more open tothis.
I know it's not something easy.
As you said, it depends onnumbers, you know.
But maybe an effort to do atrial, you it might.
It could work well or not, butwe won't know until it's done,
you know exactly.
Danielle Spurling (27:48):
You have to try those things and we want to
make sure everyone's got a levelplaying field yeah, exactly,
and and not only performance.
Lisandra de Carvalho (27:56):
You know, I'm not only talking about
performance and swimming.
But in the marshalling room,you know, to just have you know
more women and and thesocializing aspect, I race with
other women that I they're in myage group, but I don't really
know them.
You know we don't marshaltogether, we don't do the cool
down together.
(28:16):
That's when, you know, thesocializing and the
conversations happen as well.
Um, so you'd be good for forsocializing as well yeah, yeah,
I agree.
Danielle Spurling (28:27):
All really good points, thank you, thank
you.
Another area that you like tocompete in is open water, and I
know you like to do a lot of thebig victorian swims over the
summer.
What attracts you to swimmingopen water?
Lisandra de Carvalho (28:41):
oh, it's, um, it's a completely different
ball game to, to, obviously,swimming in the pool and I, I
don't know, I think, um,butterflies tend to be good open
water swimmers or better, youknow, I don't know if the
shoulder, the strength orthey're looking up, I don't know
what it is, but I absolutelylove it.
(29:04):
I love the freedom.
I love that we have to adjustthe conditions on the day, you
know, wind, swell, chop and Ilove that you have to adjust and
adapt and it's completelydifferent.
I love the change you know from, from following the black line
(29:26):
as well, and, um, yeah, um, Iabsolutely love all the races,
you know, during the summer, Itry to do as many as I can and
they're all very different.
You know the all the races.
They're so different andsometimes I even forget I get
them mixed up.
You know the course, but yeah,it's a lot of fun.
Danielle Spurling (29:49):
So I'm still I'll keep doing as long as I'm
having fun, which I am and doyou, closer to the summer, do
you change your trainingschedule to include open water
swimming?
Lisandra de Carvalho (29:59):
Yeah, yeah training schedule to include
open water swimming.
Yeah, yeah, I train um, so Itry to do more long distance
sets, shorter rest um highervolume and um I try to jump in
in the water.
I know it's the melbourne bay,but, you know, just for sighting
purposes.
But you know it can get quiterough in the bay as well, and
(30:23):
I'm not too far fromWilliamstown, so, and I love
swimming, I love swimmingWilliamstown, so I try to, at
least once a week, you know,jump in the bay and have a play
yeah, yeah, that sounds good.
Danielle Spurling (30:36):
And what sort of what tips would you give
other people if they're about tostart doing some open water
racing?
What have you sort of learnedfrom all the races that you've
done?
Lisandra de Carvalho (30:45):
Yeah, yeah , you know it's very individual.
You know, I think with openwater, number one you've got to
be comfortable in the water.
You have to be comfortableswimming amongst people.
You know there's a bit ofargy-bargy at the beginning but
it's not terrible with the women.
(31:06):
You know it's just, yeah, justa bit of whitewash, a bit of
argy-bargy, but you know you canstay away from all that if you
like, but be comfortable in thatsort of environment.
You know there might be an armin front of you or there might
be somebody swimming in front ofyou that slows down.
So, um, and also learn sightingand navigation, because
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direction is always moreimportant than speed, you know.
So learn to sight, learn tonavigate, you know, and then and
then the speed, because you canbe really fast.
But if you don't know whereyou're going, you know what's
the point.
Danielle Spurling (31:45):
That's true.
Yeah, it's always hard on thosereally really rough days when
you've got big waves to sight,isn't it?
And to make sure that you'regetting that navigation right.
Lisandra de Carvalho (31:56):
It is so hard.
And I am a pool swimmer.
You know I'm not an oceanswimmer.
I mean I don't pool swimmer,you know I'm not.
I'm not an ocean swimmer.
I mean I don't consider myself.
You know I get by.
But I learned, but I'm stillnot comfortable with the big
waves.
Um, I'm still a bit, a bituncomfortable and, um, catching
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waves for me sometimes is uh, um, it's more luck than skill.
Yeah, I have the same situationyes, I'm being completely honest
here, it's more of luck than askill.
You know, even though I train.
I train with natalie marshall,you know, and she's she's a
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great swimmer and, um, she'sgiving me so many tips and and
try to help me.
But yeah, I'm still learningquite, quite often.
Danielle Spurling (32:46):
I mean for me , the um, the peter pub always
has the biggest waves and oftenI'll see that coming behind when
I'm ready to come into theshore.
But probably nine times out often the wave just goes over the
top of me and I don't catch it.
Lisandra de Carvalho (33:01):
I know the feeling.
Danielle Spurling (33:02):
I know the feeling yes.
Yeah.
Lisandra de Carvalho (33:06):
Yeah, this year I didn't catch the wave.
Last year I did, you know.
But I know exactly.
I know the feeling.
Yeah.
Danielle Spurling (33:13):
Yeah, I think .
The one time I did catch thewave I was so surprised I just
didn't know what to do withmyself.
Lisandra de Carvalho (33:22):
Oh, brilliant.
That's great, danielle, justkeep going, just keep going,
Keep kicking.
Danielle Spurling (33:30):
So looking ahead with your pool swimming.
What competitions have you gotcoming up and what are your sort
of your big goals over the nextyear?
Or two Vic States coming up?
Lisandra de Carvalho (33:40):
in two weeks, goals over the next year,
or two vic states coming up intwo weeks, um.
So I I'm not swimming the 200fly, um, I've had my holiday.
I don't think I've done thework, you know, to back myself
up, especially in the in thesecond hundred.
So yeah and um, it's so rarethat we get to do a 25 fly as
(34:04):
well, you know.
So I would like to, which forme is mostly on the water
anyways, but I, um I'm gonnafocus on the shorter distance 25
, 1500 fly, um I'll see my swimanother stroke, um, just to add
points for for my team.
Um, after that what I, maybe Iwill start training oh, pan
(34:30):
packs, pan packs.
Danielle Spurling (34:32):
We're going to the pan packs.
Lisandra de Carvalho (34:33):
Yeah, up on the gold coast, yes, up in
the gold coast, go to pan packs.
It's such a fun, it's, yeah,it's just such a fun meet, such
a fun competition and, um, it'sguaranteed to have more sun than
melbourne anyway very true, soI go there for a bit of sun, you
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know, and it's just such a funatmosphere.
So pen packs and then starttraining for the open water
season.
And, uh, and next year I, umreally would like to go to
singapore for worlds never done,worlds, um.
So it's still yeah, on thebucket list.
Danielle Spurling (35:13):
Yes, and looking at worlds.
You, you can pick five, fiveevents.
What would you pick?
Yeah, uh butterfly.
Lisandra de Carvalho (35:22):
Obviously, you know 50, 100, 200, yeah,
and then I will need to to havea look.
Maybe some IM, maybe somebackstroke.
You know, I, when I swam foruniversity in in the states, I
used to swim backstroke as welland my backstroke was just as
quick as my fly, um, but youknow, as a master swimmer I
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don't have the time to to focuson both and I think I enjoy
swimming, play a little bit moreanyways.
But uh, maybe you know, I'llput more effort into into my
backstroke.
Danielle Spurling (35:56):
We'll see yeah, yeah, definitely.
Yeah, you have to look at theprogram and make sure it all
fits into the schedule, becauseyou don't want to be swimming
two races on the one day yeah,yeah, yeah, or even some long
distance free.
Lisandra de Carvalho (36:09):
I enjoy swimming.
You know the 800 400, yes, soI'll have a look at the schedule
and see if it doesn't clashwith my fly.
Danielle Spurling (36:18):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, at least the fly will allbe on different days, so that's
a good thing.
Now, everyone that comes on thepodcast, I like to ask them the
Deep Dive 5, which is your fivefavourite things about swimming
?
So just give me the first thingthat pops into your head.
Lisandra de Carvalho (36:34):
Favourite pool that you've ever swum at.
There's this pool in Rio deJaneiro.
It's right next to the Maracanamaracana stadium.
It's called julio de la maraswimming pool and and real, you
know there's lots of mountains.
It's a, so you can see themountains from the pool and I
have fond memories from swimmingthere.
So I think it's not aspectacular, uh, pool, you know,
(36:59):
but I have fond memories fromthe pool and, um, it's also one
of I really love old schoolpools.
So they have the swimming pooland they have the diving with
the 10 meter platform, yeah,right behind it.
I don't know, I just reallyenjoy the setup as well.
Danielle Spurling (37:15):
So there you go sounds like a nice one.
Yeah, how about your favoritepsych up song that you would
listen to, music song that youwould listen to before racing?
Lisandra de Carvalho (37:26):
oh, a psych up song.
Um, I love the the hives.
They're the swedish rock androll band.
Anything from from their albumsyou know, anything from the
hives you know, will get megoing.
Um, it's really punchy and um,it really gets you going.
How about your favoritebutterfly drill?
Um, beyond the drill, um, andalso single arm butterfly as
(37:52):
well?
Um, so, single arm, three,three and then three full
strokes.
Yeah, I just, yeah, I just lovethe drill, and then, yeah, the
beyondy drill what's yourinterpretation of the beyondy
drill so?
um, um.
You have the visual here, butI'm gonna try to explain for the
listeners as well.
(38:13):
Just um, do some sculling anddo a really fast catch, you know
, and finish as if you'rethrowing the water up in the air
, and then go back to scullingagain and then catch and pull.
That's my interpretation.
Danielle Spurling (38:33):
That's so interesting because I've had
Matt Biondi on the podcast andhe claims that he doesn't even
know what the beyondy drill is.
I know it's so funny and he'ssort of a bit.
I think it was a bit put outthat all these people are
claiming that the beyond beyondydrill and I've just added to
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the one more.
I think it's.
I think it's a nice thing thateveryone thinks of him in that
way.
Yeah, yeah, I'll be, honouredif there was a Lysandra Drew, a
Drew after you named after you?
Lisandra de Carvalho (39:09):
Yeah, after me, you know.
So, yeah, it's no offence, butI love your, Drew, whether it's
yours or not.
Danielle Spurling (39:17):
And how about your favourite training set
that you do sort of currently?
What's a go-to that you go to?
Lisandra de Carvalho (39:24):
There is a training set that I do for
endurance.
I do this a lot with NatalieMarshall.
It's eight 200s with atravelling 50 fly.
So the first 200, the first 50,the second 200, the second 50,
the third 200, the third 50,fourth 200, the fourth 50, and
back to the first 200, the first50, the second 200, the second
50, the third 200, the third 50,fourth 200, the fourth 50, and
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back to the first 50.
And when we really fit we dothis on 250.
And at the moment we're sittingat the three-minute mark.
But yeah, we work into orsometimes know we go to 50 to 55
, but ultimately, you know it'salmost like a test set I'd like
(40:06):
to get down to 250 yeah and umfor lactic acid, um uh 850s.
I'll fly two on 130, two on 120,two on 110, two on 110, and two
on a minute and that hurts alot.
Danielle Spurling (40:28):
Yes, trying to keep the same time,
absolutely yeah.
Lisandra de Carvalho (40:31):
Yeah, don't drop a second.
You know trying to keep thesame time the whole way, so
that's great for you know.
If you're racing 200, fly thewhole way, so that's great for
you know.
If you're racing to underfly,the pain you feel at the end is
the exact same feeling andexactly the same pain you know
you feel at the race.
Danielle Spurling (40:51):
At the race.
Yes, yeah, it's a horriblefeeling, but we keep going back
for more.
Lisandra de Carvalho (40:57):
Yeah, yeah , it's a horrible feeling and I
know you're doing your deep five, but I'm just going to go off
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on a small tangent here.
Not only I think swimming isgreat for that, but the swimming
for me is also where I workthrough my emotions and the
discomfort of my emotions, youknow.
So, just like meditation, youknow, and swimming, deep
inhalations, deep exhalations,you know, go, go inside.
How am I feeling today?
You know, um, I, you know, abit insecure, a bit angry, you
(41:46):
know, approach it with curiosity, these feelings, with no
judgment.
The same way, when I'm doingthis set, you know why am I
dying?
Or, you know, am I feeling sonegative now when I'm hurting,
and just approach thisdiscomfort with curiosity and
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more kindness?
And I only learned how to dothat as a master swimmer.
I didn't know that before.
It's a skill that I'm stillperfecting, I'm still doing it
every day that I learned as amaster swimmer.
Danielle Spurling (42:25):
I think it's a wonderful reflection.
I mean, that's something that'shard as a young swimmer to
appreciate, because it's sort oflife experience comes into that
as well.
Lisandra de Carvalho (42:36):
Exactly, and it's all about performance
as well.
You know, as a master swimmer,I sometimes go to the pool just
to do a few laps, you know, forfun or I don't know.
Just to give an example youknow, yesterday, I don't know I
had a bad day.
I took my pet to the vet.
I had bad news.
(42:56):
You know, she had to beadmitted.
You know she had to be admitted.
So I changed some things aroundmy work schedule and I went to
the pool, you know, and I wasable to process everything and
my emotions, my the feelings ofsadness, and I came out of the
water.
Different person picked her up,you know, a different person
(43:17):
and it just helps me so much,you know, with um, with my
feelings, with my emotions aswell, not only um the health and
physical aspects.
You know this is so importantfor my mental health as well, um
, anyhow, you can go back toyour five questions sorry, no,
(43:38):
no, that's good.
Danielle Spurling (43:39):
I I love talking about that kind of stuff
and I I think, like duringCOVID, that's when I noticed,
when we couldn't swim for awhile, how much that side of
swimming I had taken for grantedand didn't think about it.
And I think since then I'vethought much more about that
side, of that sort of meditationthat you get when you're
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swimming, exactly exactly, anddon't get me wrong, wrong, I can
be just meditating.
Lisandra de Carvalho (44:04):
I'm still thinking of where my elbow is
high elbow.
I come back, you know, do mychecks, but you know, I still, I
still I think it's possible todo well.
Danielle Spurling (44:16):
I think so too.
Yeah, and I was going to askwhat was your favorite race and
favorite swimmer from the parisgames?
What, what, what sort of struckyou as outstanding?
Yeah?
Lisandra de Carvalho (44:27):
yeah, um this paris games.
I loved watching kelly mccuneum race I.
I just think she is such askilled athlete swimmer and
especially, yeah, when shefinished the race, her elation
and the excitement, you know,almost relief.
(44:48):
I really enjoyed watching the100 and 200 back and her last
10-15 meters.
You know there's she can justdig so deep for the, those last
10-15 meters um I.
I really enjoyed those racesyeah, yes, yeah, I agree.
Danielle Spurling (45:09):
I mean she really, until those last 10 or
15 minutes she didn't look likeshe was going to win either yeah
, 100 or the 200, and she justdug so deep.
Yeah, she makes it happen shemakes it happen.
Lisandra de Carvalho (45:21):
Yeah, yeah , I wish I knew where the switch
is, you know?
Danielle Spurling (45:25):
yes, me too.
Usually at that point I justcan't.
I can't dig any deeper.
It's good to watch someone elsedo it exactly, exactly.
Lisandra de Carvalho (45:36):
I thought I mean there were lots of great
swims, but yeah, that's whatcame to mind.
Danielle Spurling (45:42):
Yeah, fantastic.
Well, Sandra, thank you so muchfor joining us on the podcast
today.
It's been a delight speaking toyou and hearing all about your
swimming journey.
Lisandra de Carvalho (45:51):
Thank you, thanks, danielle.
It was a pleasure.
I really enjoyed our chat Metoo.
Danielle Spurling (45:57):
Okay, well, take care and good luck at
States in two weeks.
Thank you, I'll see you there.
Yeah, absolutely Okay.
Bye for now.
Bye for now, take care, bye.
Thanks for listening in totoday's episode.
I hope you enjoyed hearing allabout Lysandra's journey and can
take something away from theepisode to help you in your own
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swim journey, because that'swhat we're here for.
Till next time, happy swimmingand bye for now.
Hello swimmers, and welcome to another
episode of Torpedo Swim Talkpodcast.
I'm your host, DanielleSpurling, and each week we chat
to a wonderful swimmer fromaround the world about their
swimming journey.
I'm joined today by the vibrantand effervescent Lisandra de
Carvalho.
Lisandra hails from Brazil andwas a top National Age Group
(00:33):
swimmer there before heading tocollege in the US and now living
in Australia.
She works as a translator andknocks every Masters swimming
goal out of the pool.
Excuse the pun.
She owns many national mastersage group records in Australia
and is ranked number one in theworld for the 200 fly in her age
group.
They're just some of the manyachievements she's accumulated
(00:56):
under her belt, and there'splenty more to come.
Let's hear from Lisandra now.
Let's hear from Lisandra now.
Hi, Lisandra, welcome to thepodcast.
Hi Danielle, thank you.
Thanks for having me here.
You're so welcome.
I've been wanting to get you onfor a while.
I'm glad you're back fromholidays.
You look like you had aterrific time.
(01:16):
Where did you go, oh?
Lisandra de Carvalho (01:18):
thank you.
Thank you, very happy to behere.
I went to Tonga and fiji fortwo different reasons to tonga
to to swim with the humpbackwhales, and to fiji to to dive
with bull sharks and othersharks.
So it was amazing.
(01:38):
It was amazing, amazing wereyou?
Danielle Spurling (01:40):
were you at all apprehensive, swimming with
the humpbacks and the bullsharks?
Lisandra de Carvalho (01:45):
Yeah, both , both.
You know they're wild animalsand you know we are in their
environment.
But the humpbacks very gentlegiants and it was mostly the
mums and the calves, so they'revery calm.
(02:06):
Some of them are a bitprotective, but yeah, it was a
bit apprehensive.
And with the sharks I was veryscared.
I won't lie, you know.
But I think I read all the 700five-star reviews from
TripAdvisor to give me a bitmore peace of mind and it was
(02:28):
all very, very professional andone of my diving instructors was
this Canadian woman and she wasamazing and I just, oh, I just
admired her so much but yeah, itwas scary.
There were 50, 60 sharksswimming around you and it was
(02:49):
very exhilarating.
It was amazing.
I recommend, I recommend yeah.
Danielle Spurling (02:54):
I mean, I don't know whether I'd have the
confidence to do that.
Lisandra de Carvalho (02:58):
Yeah, with the dive we were 30 metres deep
.
That's you know how deep thethe dive, how deep we have to go
.
Um, but it was amazing how safeI felt once I was down there
with the guides.
They only have a stick and theypop the sharks in the nose.
It was amazing.
(03:18):
But they just swim away.
Um, it was a beta dive, so theyfeed them just very small
amounts of heads of tuna, so forthe sharks the tuna is like a
delicious lasagna fresh off theoven.
Us humans there, we're justlettuce with not even olive oil,
(03:44):
so they don't pay attention tous.
Well, that's good.
Danielle Spurling (03:47):
I'm glad they did it, thank you.
So you're based in Melbourne,australia, but originally from
Brazil.
What?
What brought you here initiallyand how long have you lived
here?
Lisandra de Carvalho (03:57):
so yeah, originally from Brazil, I've
been in Melbourne for nearly 17years now and I was actually
living in London and I justfinished my master's degree
there and I just needed a change.
I had some Aussie friends andmoved to Australia and I fell in
(04:22):
love with the place, fell inlove with Melbourne.
I moved to Melbourne and I'vealways lived in Melbourne and I
absolutely love Melbourne too.
Danielle Spurling (04:30):
Yeah, that's fantastic.
Well, we're happy to have youhere.
Lisandra de Carvalho (04:32):
Very happy to have you here.
Danielle Spurling (04:34):
Thank you, did you swim when you were in.
Lisandra de Carvalho (04:35):
Brazil.
So I swam, I swam when I was inBrazil, I swam.
My coach was AlbertinoAlbertino Silva and he coached
Cesar Cielo and other he's.
He's coaching the Portuguesenational team now.
So that was.
That was my coach.
He's the one who showed me thatI could swim 200 butterfly.
(05:01):
And when I was a Brazilian agegroup champion in the 200
butterfly and when I was abrazilian age group champion in
the 200 butterfly, and when Iturned 18, I moved to
jacksonville, florida, and Iswam at bowls with greg troy for
a short period of time withGreg Troy for a short period of
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time, about six months.
And then I applied for a fewAmerican universities and I was
accepted at one of them, UMBC,and I had an athletic
scholarship and then I swam fouryears in the United States.
Danielle Spurling (05:40):
Wow, what was that?
Lisandra de Carvalho (05:41):
experience like it was amazing.
It was really good for years ofmy life where I could focus on
the swimming.
We still had to get good grades.
We had to get the grade pointaverage, have a good GPA, but I
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was very studious too, so it wasamazing at the team spirit and
the friends that I made there.
I'm still in touch with a lotof them.
We don't see each other, but wecelebrate each other's
victories and I keep in touch.
And I got married last year andsome of them a few them, you
(06:25):
know came to my wedding eventhough I hadn't seen them or
talked to them.
You know the bond that Icreated with the friends.
There is something very strongand um, and I love it.
But it was hard work too.
You know, I have, um, some sexthat I still remember is almost
(06:46):
like ptsd, you know just, I havesome sets that I still remember
.
It's almost like PTSD, you know, just to think about them
giving me butterflies in mystomach.
But it was a great experience.
Yeah, I learned a lot and Igrew a lot as an athlete and as
a person as well.
Danielle Spurling (07:02):
How did you find living away from home at
such a young age?
Did you find that difficult?
Lisandra de Carvalho (07:07):
very difficult.
Um, I was 18.
You know my poor parents, I hadbarely turned 18 and um, but
they trusted me.
They knew I wanted to swim.
You know that's what I wantedand they trusted me to.
And they said you know, yourbedroom is always here, you can
(07:28):
always come back and I guesshaving the comfort you know.
But I knew I wouldn't come back.
You know I already I went on amission and I was determined and
driven to swim well and to dosomething I loved.
Danielle Spurling (07:43):
Ultimately, and what was that college in
Division I, Division II yeah,division I.
Lisandra de Carvalho (07:52):
Yeah, university of Maryland,
baltimore County and justoutside Baltimore, I absolutely
love that city.
It makes me smile just thinkingabout it and those years
absolutely love that city.
Yeah, it makes me smile justthinking about it and those
years.
And division one, ecac, um, andI just absolutely loved racing
(08:12):
the the winter, that's um whenthe swimming season was, and
competitions every weekend, umand just um representing my, my
university it was.
It was full-on, but I loved it.
I loved it.
Danielle Spurling (08:31):
The team culture there is amazing as well
yeah, I mean from a distance itlooks amazing, so I can only
imagine.
Up close.
It must be really exhilaratingto have that sort of the
cheering of your teammates andyeah, exactly, exactly, yeah, it
was it was quite special, andyou mentioned that you had some
killer sets from from back then.
(08:52):
What, what's something?
Lisandra de Carvalho (08:53):
that sort of pops into your mind most
monday mornings you know it waswe used to do 1, 100, 2, 200, 3,
300, 4, 400, 5, 500.
It's, it's a 5K.
You know, just to boom, startthe week I've done 15, 200
butterfly.
Oh, that's a killer, it's akiller.
(09:14):
And every third at the 150meter mark we had to scream or
yell something or go.
Ah, you know, our coach made itfun for us but barely had air.
But I remember that, that.
You know that we had to screamsomething in the last lap.
That was one of the sets.
(09:35):
Or we had some killer um 850son three minutes but electric
acid that we.
We had to swim, we had to sitdown by the wall and and then go
on the block again and swim andsit by the wall.
We couldn't move, you know,just let.
Yeah, it sounds a bit liketorture, but yes, these are some
(09:59):
of the sets.
Danielle Spurling (10:00):
Yeah well, no wonder you're so great at turns
.
You must have had all thatpractice in short course yards
yeah, yeah, short course yards.
Lisandra de Carvalho (10:07):
So you, you either learn, you know, or
or you struggle in your races.
So, um, I actually my coach,used to hold a broom.
This was in the 90s.
Yeah, this is in the late 90s.
He used to swing a broom.
So if you're swimming, fly, andif you didn't touch the wall
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and turn fast enough, you getswung with a broom on your face.
Oh no, that's not good.
That's not good.
But you know, I'm good at turns.
I don't think I ever was hit bythe broom, but, yeah, that's
good Swimming in the 90s is adifferent story.
Danielle Spurling (10:46):
Yeah, she wouldn't be able to get away
with that now, would you no?
Lisandra de Carvalho (10:49):
no, no, and the aim my coach had with
the kickboard.
He could pick any swimmer there.
Stop them for a strokecorrection.
You know it was amazing.
Danielle Spurling (11:01):
It'd be like lane three, lay three, third
swimmer Bang, throw thekickboard bang and did you roll
straight into master swimmingafter you had finished college
or you took a break?
Lisandra de Carvalho (11:12):
No, so I finished college and I took a
five year break.
Five or six years.
I needed a break, you know,when I finished college and I
moved to London to do a master'sdegree as well.
So I felt that I dedicated alot of time to swimming and it
was time to dedicate some timeto my studies.
(11:35):
So and I was a bit burnt out byit all you know from all the
years of competition and I waslooking forward to having the
actual time as well to do otherthings.
You know that I didn't havetime to do before, but primarily
for my studies.
Danielle Spurling (11:55):
Yes, yes.
And so what year did you pickup master swimming again?
So?
Lisandra de Carvalho (12:01):
I moved to Australia December 2006.
So I think it was end of 2007,beginning of 2008, that I picked
up master swimming again and Idid a trial with PowerPoints.
And I still swim withPowerPoints and I think I don't
(12:21):
know if it was 2008 or 9 thatbrenton ford started coaching us
and we had, I don't know, maybesix, eight glorious years with
brenton.
Um, it, yeah, it was.
It was amazing, um, to have himas a coach and it was a good
way to to go back to swimming,to master swimming as well.
Danielle Spurling (12:42):
So that's how it all started.
Yeah, he's a great coach,really good coach.
I used to actually swim withhis.
I used to swim with his father.
Oh, did you?
He's a little bit older than me, but Brian.
Lisandra de Carvalho (12:53):
Ford.
Yeah, brian Ford, he's lovely,lovely yeah, lovely guy yeah oh,
how funny.
Danielle Spurling (12:59):
Yeah it's, it's a small world.
Lisandra de Carvalho (13:00):
Small world.
I still, you know, I still askBrenton to help me with stroke
correction.
Sometimes you know if I,whenever he's in Melbourne or
flying all over the world doinghis clinics he's just a great
coach and I still I always needhelp, but I think I I can always
(13:22):
improve, but he helps me a lotstill yeah, well, he's obviously
helped you, but you've got somuch talent yourself because
last year you were ranked numberone in the world in the 200
butterfly in your age group forlong course meters.
Danielle Spurling (13:35):
Thank you, walk us through how your
training and your dedication gotyou to that number one spot,
because that's something that weall want yeah, thank you, thank
you.
Lisandra de Carvalho (13:48):
Well, 200 fly has always been my race, my
baby and um, I've not alwaysraced well, you know, I've died.
I've died hard, you know I.
I know it hurts, um, and Ithink, especially last year, I
(14:09):
think after my 40s, I had tochange my training a bit because
of recovery.
You know, I couldn't do justhard set after hard session
after hard session.
I need time to recover, and soonce I acknowledged that and I
did more recovery, you know Icould push harder in other
(14:32):
sessions.
So I basically swim four timesa week when the stars align
Monday, more long distance,tuesday, combine Friday swim
with Jenny Bucknell, fly sprintsor fly sets, and then I try
either Saturday, or I swim on aTuesday or Thursday, depending
(14:55):
on work.
I have different trainingpartners, you know.
So whoever can join me?
I'm not good at training bymyself in the pool.
I lost two K partners, you know.
So whoever can join me, I'm notgood at training by myself in
the pool.
I lost two Ks, you know.
But I prefer to train, yeah,with somebody.
So whoever can train with me tomake up for this fourth session
.
So it's basically four sessionsin the pool and two sessions in
(15:21):
the gym four sessions in thepool and two sessions in the gym
um strengthening andconditioning and one yoga.
Yeah, I love my yoga.
I wish I could do more, but,you know, just for stretching
and more mobility as well.
Danielle Spurling (15:33):
So, yeah, and consistency, trying to do, you
know, four sessions a week, twogyms, yoga, consistently yes, I
think consistency is somethingthat's really important,
especially as you age and, asyou mentioned, recovery is a
crucial part of being a masterswimmer.
What, what do you find withyour recovery?
(15:54):
What, what works best for you?
Lisandra de Carvalho (15:56):
yeah, yeah .
I think it's hard for me to doback-to-back.
So two hard sessions two daysin a row.
If I do a hard set, let's sayon Monday, I need more recovery
on Tuesday and then I can gohard again on Wednesday.
You know I take creatine,protein collagen, you know all
(16:22):
the magnesium in the world.
I need to feel my body right aswell for it to recover properly
.
Danielle Spurling (16:30):
Are you into ice baths at all or massage or
anything like that?
Lisandra de Carvalho (16:35):
Oh yes, I have quite a team.
I do acupuncture, massage,osteo, you know, depending on
what the niggle is the niggle ofthe week, you know.
So I have quite a team, and myphysio as well, for my shoulders
(16:55):
.
You know, I've had quite a fewshoulder injuries and elbows and
I'm a huge fan of the ice bathsas well.
I've been doing them for over ayear I started my husband.
He loves them too, so it's good.
(17:15):
It's something we can dotogether.
Which may sound weird, a date,it's like a date, a date, a date
.
You know we go, there's thisplace, we go in melbourne.
You know we swap between theice bath and the sauna, you know
, but it's, we have a good timeand um, but I, I truly believe
(17:36):
in nice baths.
There's one in msec as well.
So sometimes, you know, I popto the cold pool and um and have
a dip there, and it helps withthe recovery yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's definitely one that, um, Ineed to put into my schedule.
I do have a blow-up ice bath,but I find it so cold, I know, I
(17:57):
know, and we do have theblow-up ice baths and, yeah, we
used to get five, six bags ofice, but it start.
Just set yourself a goal 30seconds.
That's how I started.
I didn't go in and love it.
I'm Brazilian, I come from thetropics, so that terrified me,
that truly terrified me.
(18:18):
But I was up for the challengetoo, and discovering what aspect
of it terrifies me, you know,it's so cold and I really
learned how to be mindful in theice baths and I love it now.
I love it.
I can't go one week without it.
(18:39):
You know, I truly miss it.
Yeah, yeah.
How long can you stay?
Miss it, yeah, yeah.
Danielle Spurling (18:43):
How long can you stay?
Lisandra de Carvalho (18:44):
in.
Oh, it depends.
Maybe five minutes in atwo-degree pool.
Wow yeah, impressive.
Yeah yeah, it took a while toget there.
You know, and you know itdepends on if you have your
mindset.
You know, physically, you know,you'll be more fragile, maybe
(19:08):
have a cold or didn't sleep toowell, or if you do, at the end
of the day, had a bad day atwork.
You know all those thingsaffected.
It's amazing, you know, and Ilike to sit and figure it out.
Why am I struggling so muchtoday?
You know, why was it so mucheasier yesterday or the week
before?
So it, um, it varies, it, it'snot always easy, um, the first
(19:34):
90 seconds is always hard, it'salways terrible, you know it's,
it's terrible.
Danielle Spurling (19:46):
You know it's , it's, yeah, it's not a walk in
the park.
Going back to the 200 butterfly, give us, give us the, the
strategy that you use to race it, yeah yeah, I am a conservative
um swimmer, so the I take iteasy.
Lisandra de Carvalho (19:58):
I hold back the first first 100.
And then the third 50.
So I just try to first lap, youknow, slow down.
And it's funny because I stillget nervous with the 200 fly.
It's the only race that givesme the real butterflies in my
stomach is the 200 fly.
(20:21):
So I just really have to calmdown, slow down and just feel
the water.
The first 50 meters turn, youknow, get comfortable in your
rhythm.
I always breathe every secondstroke.
Get comfortable in your, inyour rhythm, and build then the
third lap.
Just pick up the pace a bit,because that's normally the
(20:43):
slowest.
You know, if you swim with 200,people tend to to relax too
much on the third lap.
So pick up the pace a littlebit, work on your turn um, and
stay focused.
And by this time I'm burning.
I'm hurting, you know I'm not,but I'm hurting.
You know I'm not.
But I'm just trying to calmmyself down, calm my mind and
(21:08):
focus on my technique as well.
You know, by this time my hipsare dropping, you know.
So keep your hips high, catchthe water, you know, stay, keep
your rhythm, stay true to yourrhythm.
And then the last 25 iswhatever I have left in the tank
(21:31):
, whatever I can give.
You know, and sometimes I havemore, sometimes I have less.
You know, sometimes, um, I'mabsolutely, you know, out of air
when I get to the wall.
Other times I'm like, oh, itwasn't too bad, you know.
Danielle Spurling (21:41):
So that's, that's a wonderful life for me,
yeah yeah, I mean, it's a killerof a race, do you?
Do you find that you keep this,or do you aim to keep the same
stroke rate throughout each ofthe 450s?
Lisandra de Carvalho (21:53):
yes, yes, so 26 to 20.
I count my strokes too um 26.
I try 27 strokes and I try tokeep the same stroke rate which
I normally do.
If I'm not, I know there'ssomething seriously wrong there.
Yeah, which happens sometimes.
You know, recently I think Idon't know where it was, but I
(22:18):
just had a shocking brace and ithurt and my stroke rate was
through the roof.
You know, and it happens, youknow, it just happens Sometimes.
I'm just glad I can get to thewall.
Yes, yes.
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We'll be back with Lissandra after this short
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Here's a curly question.
So I've seen you race inVictoria and you're one of the
only women that does the 200butterfly, so you're often up
against men.
How do you find that race interms of the backwash that comes
with swimming against them, andwhat are your thoughts on that?
Lisandra de Carvalho (23:35):
yeah, um, I think this is a conversation
we need to have.
I um, I'm in Victoria.
You know I'm swimming rightnext to Darius, you know, who is
an amazing swimmer, and I lovewatching him swim, but I don't
like swimming next to him.
You know, he's such a strongswimmer and there's so much
(23:57):
turbulence and wash.
You know, this is one example,but I feel, a lot of times I am
in the outer lanes, you know,and I have to, and a lot of
times I'm the only woman in the,in the heat, you know, in the
um, and I just have to deal witha lot of the turbulence and the
(24:19):
wave interference and I find itvery hard.
Sometimes it rattles my cage alittle bit.
I think sometimes, you know, ifit was a heat with all women,
it potentially could be better.
Danielle Spurling (24:36):
Yeah, definitely.
I mean, maybe that's somethingthat you know Masters Swimming
Australia can look at, because,you know, obviously at the World
Championships it is single-sexraces.
I suppose we're a little bitsort of restricted by the amount
of people that go into theevents, but it's certainly a
conversation to have with MasterSwimming Australia.
Lisandra de Carvalho (24:58):
Yeah, yeah , it's something.
I know that Master Swimming,swimming, queensland.
You know they separate men andwomen in the shorter events.
You know, 25, 50, 100 I'm notsure if the 200s included or not
, but you know it.
Um, they do it, it works forthem, you know, I think, um,
(25:18):
it's a conversation.
We need to start heavy, maybedo a trial, you know, see how
other women feel about it.
Um, I remember, um thenationals in Hobart.
You know, jenny, jenny Bucknellbroke a world record and I
think she was in lane, I don'tknow, zero one or nine, I don't
(25:39):
know, but I just felt it was solost in, you know, in the last
heat where she was, you know,and um, I think I think women
would get more recognition aswell, or faster women, you know,
if, um, we, if it was separateand also maybe she would have
gone faster in that because shewas behind the the wave and,
(26:03):
being that outside lane, theydon't often have that extra lane
rope on the side, so you've gotthe backwash coming against the
wall, nothing to stop.
Exactly, I know that too well.
You know this year and I swamthe 100 fly and I again out of
(26:26):
lane I think I was the onlywoman and I just felt the
turbulence and the wave and thewash from the man.
You know a couple of mouthfulsof water and obviously you deal
with it, but you know it couldbe different.
You know it could be different.
You know it could be differentit could be different.
Danielle Spurling (26:44):
It's definitely a conversation to
have, isn't it?
Lisandra de Carvalho (26:46):
absolutely .
I invite, yeah, master swimmingvictoria, master swimming
australia, to maybe have thisconversation or maybe talk to
women and see what other.
This is what I think, what Ifeel.
I know jenny feels the same.
I know just cinta, who swims atPowerPoint, feels the same.
You know, maybe talk to morewomen and see what the outcome
(27:11):
is yeah, and maybe get one ofyour.
Danielle Spurling (27:13):
you have a PowerPoint delegate on the
Master Swimming VictoriaCommittee, so maybe that's
something they could bring upwith the committee too, because,
yeah, it needs to go through acommittee-type discussion, I
suppose, before a change can bemade.
Lisandra de Carvalho (27:27):
Yeah, yeah .
So maybe people from thecommittee, you know, be more
open-minded and be more open tothis.
I know it's not something easy.
As you said, it depends onnumbers, you know.
But maybe an effort to do atrial, you it might.
It could work well or not, butwe won't know until it's done,
you know exactly.
Danielle Spurling (27:48):
You have to try those things and we want to
make sure everyone's got a levelplaying field yeah, exactly,
and and not only performance.
Lisandra de Carvalho (27:56):
You know, I'm not only talking about
performance and swimming.
But in the marshalling room,you know, to just have you know
more women and and thesocializing aspect, I race with
other women that I they're in myage group, but I don't really
know them.
You know we don't marshaltogether, we don't do the cool
down together.
(28:16):
That's when, you know, thesocializing and the
conversations happen as well.
Um, so you'd be good for forsocializing as well yeah, yeah,
I agree.
Danielle Spurling (28:27):
All really good points, thank you, thank
you.
Another area that you like tocompete in is open water, and I
know you like to do a lot of thebig victorian swims over the
summer.
What attracts you to swimmingopen water?
Lisandra de Carvalho (28:41):
oh, it's, um, it's a completely different
ball game to, to, obviously,swimming in the pool and I, I
don't know, I think, um,butterflies tend to be good open
water swimmers or better, youknow, I don't know if the
shoulder, the strength orthey're looking up, I don't know
what it is, but I absolutelylove it.
(29:04):
I love the freedom.
I love that we have to adjustthe conditions on the day, you
know, wind, swell, chop and Ilove that you have to adjust and
adapt and it's completelydifferent.
I love the change you know from, from following the black line
(29:26):
as well, and, um, yeah, um, Iabsolutely love all the races,
you know, during the summer, Itry to do as many as I can and
they're all very different.
You know the all the races.
They're so different andsometimes I even forget I get
them mixed up.
You know the course, but yeah,it's a lot of fun.
Danielle Spurling (29:49):
So I'm still I'll keep doing as long as I'm
having fun, which I am and doyou, closer to the summer, do
you change your trainingschedule to include open water
swimming?
Lisandra de Carvalho (29:59):
Yeah, yeah training schedule to include
open water swimming.
Yeah, yeah, I train um, so Itry to do more long distance
sets, shorter rest um highervolume and um I try to jump in
in the water.
I know it's the melbourne bay,but, you know, just for sighting
purposes.
But you know it can get quiterough in the bay as well, and
(30:23):
I'm not too far fromWilliamstown, so, and I love
swimming, I love swimmingWilliamstown, so I try to, at
least once a week, you know,jump in the bay and have a play
yeah, yeah, that sounds good.
Danielle Spurling (30:36):
And what sort of what tips would you give
other people if they're about tostart doing some open water
racing?
What have you sort of learnedfrom all the races that you've
done?
Lisandra de Carvalho (30:45):
Yeah, yeah , you know it's very individual.
You know, I think with openwater, number one you've got to
be comfortable in the water.
You have to be comfortableswimming amongst people.
You know there's a bit ofargy-bargy at the beginning but
it's not terrible with the women.
(31:06):
You know it's just, yeah, justa bit of whitewash, a bit of
argy-bargy, but you know you canstay away from all that if you
like, but be comfortable in thatsort of environment.
You know there might be an armin front of you or there might
be somebody swimming in front ofyou that slows down.
So, um, and also learn sightingand navigation, because
(31:29):
direction is always moreimportant than speed, you know.
So learn to sight, learn tonavigate, you know, and then and
then the speed, because you canbe really fast.
But if you don't know whereyou're going, you know what's
the point.
Danielle Spurling (31:45):
That's true.
Yeah, it's always hard on thosereally really rough days when
you've got big waves to sight,isn't it?
And to make sure that you'regetting that navigation right.
Lisandra de Carvalho (31:56):
It is so hard.
And I am a pool swimmer.
You know I'm not an oceanswimmer.
I mean I don't pool swimmer,you know I'm not.
I'm not an ocean swimmer.
I mean I don't consider myself.
You know I get by.
But I learned, but I'm stillnot comfortable with the big
waves.
Um, I'm still a bit, a bituncomfortable and, um, catching
(32:16):
waves for me sometimes is uh, um, it's more luck than skill.
Yeah, I have the same situationyes, I'm being completely honest
here, it's more of luck than askill.
You know, even though I train.
I train with natalie marshall,you know, and she's she's a
(32:36):
great swimmer and, um, she'sgiving me so many tips and and
try to help me.
But yeah, I'm still learningquite, quite often.
Danielle Spurling (32:46):
I mean for me , the um, the peter pub always
has the biggest waves and oftenI'll see that coming behind when
I'm ready to come into theshore.
But probably nine times out often the wave just goes over the
top of me and I don't catch it.
Lisandra de Carvalho (33:01):
I know the feeling.
Danielle Spurling (33:02):
I know the feeling yes.
Yeah.
Lisandra de Carvalho (33:06):
Yeah, this year I didn't catch the wave.
Last year I did, you know.
But I know exactly.
I know the feeling.
Yeah.
Danielle Spurling (33:13):
Yeah, I think .
The one time I did catch thewave I was so surprised I just
didn't know what to do withmyself.
Lisandra de Carvalho (33:22):
Oh, brilliant.
That's great, danielle, justkeep going, just keep going,
Keep kicking.
Danielle Spurling (33:30):
So looking ahead with your pool swimming.
What competitions have you gotcoming up and what are your sort
of your big goals over the nextyear?
Or two Vic States coming up?
Lisandra de Carvalho (33:40):
in two weeks, goals over the next year,
or two vic states coming up intwo weeks, um.
So I I'm not swimming the 200fly, um, I've had my holiday.
I don't think I've done thework, you know, to back myself
up, especially in the in thesecond hundred.
So yeah and um, it's so rarethat we get to do a 25 fly as
(34:04):
well, you know.
So I would like to, which forme is mostly on the water
anyways, but I, um I'm gonnafocus on the shorter distance 25
, 1500 fly, um I'll see my swimanother stroke, um, just to add
points for for my team.
Um, after that what I, maybe Iwill start training oh, pan
(34:30):
packs, pan packs.
Danielle Spurling (34:32):
We're going to the pan packs.
Lisandra de Carvalho (34:33):
Yeah, up on the gold coast, yes, up in
the gold coast, go to pan packs.
It's such a fun, it's, yeah,it's just such a fun meet, such
a fun competition and, um, it'sguaranteed to have more sun than
melbourne anyway very true, soI go there for a bit of sun, you
(34:53):
know, and it's just such a funatmosphere.
So pen packs and then starttraining for the open water
season.
And, uh, and next year I, umreally would like to go to
singapore for worlds never done,worlds, um.
So it's still yeah, on thebucket list.
Danielle Spurling (35:13):
Yes, and looking at worlds.
You, you can pick five, fiveevents.
What would you pick?
Yeah, uh butterfly.
Lisandra de Carvalho (35:22):
Obviously, you know 50, 100, 200, yeah,
and then I will need to to havea look.
Maybe some IM, maybe somebackstroke.
You know, I, when I swam foruniversity in in the states, I
used to swim backstroke as welland my backstroke was just as
quick as my fly, um, but youknow, as a master swimmer I
(35:46):
don't have the time to to focuson both and I think I enjoy
swimming, play a little bit moreanyways.
But uh, maybe you know, I'llput more effort into into my
backstroke.
Danielle Spurling (35:56):
We'll see yeah, yeah, definitely.
Yeah, you have to look at theprogram and make sure it all
fits into the schedule, becauseyou don't want to be swimming
two races on the one day yeah,yeah, yeah, or even some long
distance free.
Lisandra de Carvalho (36:09):
I enjoy swimming.
You know the 800 400, yes, soI'll have a look at the schedule
and see if it doesn't clashwith my fly.
Danielle Spurling (36:18):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, at least the fly will allbe on different days, so that's
a good thing.
Now, everyone that comes on thepodcast, I like to ask them the
Deep Dive 5, which is your fivefavourite things about swimming
?
So just give me the first thingthat pops into your head.
Lisandra de Carvalho (36:34):
Favourite pool that you've ever swum at.
There's this pool in Rio deJaneiro.
It's right next to the Maracanamaracana stadium.
It's called julio de la maraswimming pool and and real, you
know there's lots of mountains.
It's a, so you can see themountains from the pool and I
have fond memories from swimmingthere.
So I think it's not aspectacular, uh, pool, you know,
(36:59):
but I have fond memories fromthe pool and, um, it's also one
of I really love old schoolpools.
So they have the swimming pooland they have the diving with
the 10 meter platform, yeah,right behind it.
I don't know, I just reallyenjoy the setup as well.
Danielle Spurling (37:15):
So there you go sounds like a nice one.
Yeah, how about your favoritepsych up song that you would
listen to, music song that youwould listen to before racing?
Lisandra de Carvalho (37:26):
oh, a psych up song.
Um, I love the the hives.
They're the swedish rock androll band.
Anything from from their albumsyou know, anything from the
hives you know, will get megoing.
Um, it's really punchy and um,it really gets you going.
How about your favoritebutterfly drill?
Um, beyond the drill, um, andalso single arm butterfly as
(37:52):
well?
Um, so, single arm, three,three and then three full
strokes.
Yeah, I just, yeah, I just lovethe drill, and then, yeah, the
beyondy drill what's yourinterpretation of the beyondy
drill so?
um, um.
You have the visual here, butI'm gonna try to explain for the
listeners as well.
(38:13):
Just um, do some sculling anddo a really fast catch, you know
, and finish as if you'rethrowing the water up in the air
, and then go back to scullingagain and then catch and pull.
That's my interpretation.
Danielle Spurling (38:33):
That's so interesting because I've had
Matt Biondi on the podcast andhe claims that he doesn't even
know what the beyondy drill is.
I know it's so funny and he'ssort of a bit.
I think it was a bit put outthat all these people are
claiming that the beyond beyondydrill and I've just added to
(38:55):
the one more.
I think it's.
I think it's a nice thing thateveryone thinks of him in that
way.
Yeah, yeah, I'll be, honouredif there was a Lysandra Drew, a
Drew after you named after you?
Lisandra de Carvalho (39:09):
Yeah, after me, you know.
So, yeah, it's no offence, butI love your, Drew, whether it's
yours or not.
Danielle Spurling (39:17):
And how about your favourite training set
that you do sort of currently?
What's a go-to that you go to?
Lisandra de Carvalho (39:24):
There is a training set that I do for
endurance.
I do this a lot with NatalieMarshall.
It's eight 200s with atravelling 50 fly.
So the first 200, the first 50,the second 200, the second 50,
the third 200, the third 50,fourth 200, the fourth 50, and
back to the first 200, the first50, the second 200, the second
50, the third 200, the third 50,fourth 200, the fourth 50, and
(39:45):
back to the first 50.
And when we really fit we dothis on 250.
And at the moment we're sittingat the three-minute mark.
But yeah, we work into orsometimes know we go to 50 to 55
, but ultimately, you know it'salmost like a test set I'd like
(40:06):
to get down to 250 yeah and umfor lactic acid, um uh 850s.
I'll fly two on 130, two on 120,two on 110, two on 110, and two
on a minute and that hurts alot.
Danielle Spurling (40:28):
Yes, trying to keep the same time,
absolutely yeah.
Lisandra de Carvalho (40:31):
Yeah, don't drop a second.
You know trying to keep thesame time the whole way, so
that's great for you know.
If you're racing 200, fly thewhole way, so that's great for
you know.
If you're racing to underfly,the pain you feel at the end is
the exact same feeling andexactly the same pain you know
you feel at the race.
Danielle Spurling (40:51):
At the race.
Yes, yeah, it's a horriblefeeling, but we keep going back
for more.
Lisandra de Carvalho (40:57):
Yeah, yeah , it's a horrible feeling and I
know you're doing your deep five, but I'm just going to go off
(41:24):
on a small tangent here.
Not only I think swimming isgreat for that, but the swimming
for me is also where I workthrough my emotions and the
discomfort of my emotions, youknow.
So, just like meditation, youknow, and swimming, deep
inhalations, deep exhalations,you know, go, go inside.
How am I feeling today?
You know, um, I, you know, abit insecure, a bit angry, you
(41:46):
know, approach it with curiosity, these feelings, with no
judgment.
The same way, when I'm doingthis set, you know why am I
dying?
Or, you know, am I feeling sonegative now when I'm hurting,
and just approach thisdiscomfort with curiosity and
(42:07):
more kindness?
And I only learned how to dothat as a master swimmer.
I didn't know that before.
It's a skill that I'm stillperfecting, I'm still doing it
every day that I learned as amaster swimmer.
Danielle Spurling (42:25):
I think it's a wonderful reflection.
I mean, that's something that'shard as a young swimmer to
appreciate, because it's sort oflife experience comes into that
as well.
Lisandra de Carvalho (42:36):
Exactly, and it's all about performance
as well.
You know, as a master swimmer,I sometimes go to the pool just
to do a few laps, you know, forfun or I don't know.
Just to give an example youknow, yesterday, I don't know I
had a bad day.
I took my pet to the vet.
I had bad news.
(42:56):
You know, she had to beadmitted.
You know she had to be admitted.
So I changed some things aroundmy work schedule and I went to
the pool, you know, and I wasable to process everything and
my emotions, my the feelings ofsadness, and I came out of the
water.
Different person picked her up,you know, a different person
(43:17):
and it just helps me so much,you know, with um, with my
feelings, with my emotions aswell, not only um the health and
physical aspects.
You know this is so importantfor my mental health as well, um
, anyhow, you can go back toyour five questions sorry, no,
(43:38):
no, that's good.
Danielle Spurling (43:39):
I I love talking about that kind of stuff
and I I think, like duringCOVID, that's when I noticed,
when we couldn't swim for awhile, how much that side of
swimming I had taken for grantedand didn't think about it.
And I think since then I'vethought much more about that
side, of that sort of meditationthat you get when you're
(43:59):
swimming, exactly exactly, anddon't get me wrong, wrong, I can
be just meditating.
Lisandra de Carvalho (44:04):
I'm still thinking of where my elbow is
high elbow.
I come back, you know, do mychecks, but you know, I still, I
still I think it's possible todo well.
Danielle Spurling (44:16):
I think so too.
Yeah, and I was going to askwhat was your favorite race and
favorite swimmer from the parisgames?
What, what, what sort of struckyou as outstanding?
Yeah?
Lisandra de Carvalho (44:27):
yeah, um this paris games.
I loved watching kelly mccuneum race I.
I just think she is such askilled athlete swimmer and
especially, yeah, when shefinished the race, her elation
and the excitement, you know,almost relief.
(44:48):
I really enjoyed watching the100 and 200 back and her last
10-15 meters.
You know there's she can justdig so deep for the, those last
10-15 meters um I.
I really enjoyed those racesyeah, yes, yeah, I agree.
Danielle Spurling (45:09):
I mean she really, until those last 10 or
15 minutes she didn't look likeshe was going to win either yeah
, 100 or the 200, and she justdug so deep.
Yeah, she makes it happen shemakes it happen.
Lisandra de Carvalho (45:21):
Yeah, yeah , I wish I knew where the switch
is, you know?
Danielle Spurling (45:25):
yes, me too.
Usually at that point I justcan't.
I can't dig any deeper.
It's good to watch someone elsedo it exactly, exactly.
Lisandra de Carvalho (45:36):
I thought I mean there were lots of great
swims, but yeah, that's whatcame to mind.
Danielle Spurling (45:42):
Yeah, fantastic.
Well, Sandra, thank you so muchfor joining us on the podcast
today.
It's been a delight speaking toyou and hearing all about your
swimming journey.
Lisandra de Carvalho (45:51):
Thank you, thanks, danielle.
It was a pleasure.
I really enjoyed our chat Metoo.
Danielle Spurling (45:57):
Okay, well, take care and good luck at
States in two weeks.
Thank you, I'll see you there.
Yeah, absolutely Okay.
Bye for now.
Bye for now, take care, bye.
Thanks for listening in totoday's episode.
I hope you enjoyed hearing allabout Lysandra's journey and can
take something away from theepisode to help you in your own
(46:17):
swim journey, because that'swhat we're here for.
Till next time, happy swimmingand bye for now.
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