AVI LOEB & TY ROBERTS- Uniting UFO Community- 3I/ATLAS & Search For Extraterrestrial Life

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The subject that is the greatest interest. And then so
let me just see if I can share my screen.
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you guide me.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
On that?

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Mm hmm, Okay, I found something. Okay, let's see.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Okay, So I hope you're able to see UH and
can you see the the presentation?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yes, yes, yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
So I would just go very briefly on other topics,
even though you know we could have spent a full
hour on those, but I will just go very quickly
because we want to discuss three a atlas. It's a
very timely subject. So in general, obviously we don't know
where is the nearest neighbor in our cosmic neighborhood. And

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we know there are one hundred billion stars in the
Midway Galaxy and most of them form before the Sun,
billions of years before the Sun. So it's completely reasonable
to search for things like us out there. And then
when Enrico Fermi asked where is everybody? He didn't really
build a telescope to search. And this is a question

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that every lonely person asks. And what is usually said
is extraordinary claim require exceordinary evidence, But extraordinary evidence requires
exceordinary funding. You know, you need to dedicate resources, and
unfortunately the mainstream of the astronomy community is not doing that.
They're obsessed with microbs. And I say, you know, we

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should invest billions of dollars in the search for alien
intelligence because frankly, when we read the news every day
on what's happening here on this Earth, you know, it's
clear that there is room for improvement, that our intelligence
is really not the best that you can hope for,
and maybe someone from our neighborhood will bring a better

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sense of intelligence. And so let me skip on the
details here and the fact that you know, I'm involved
in the Galileo project, which is searching for unidentified anomalous
phenomena the earsh atmosphere, following three reports that were submitted

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to the US Congress by the Director of National Intelligence.
And we have a number of instruments in every observatory
that we have, and we have three observatories. The latest
one was in the DA And I will not get
into details, but the main thing that is recently in
the news has to do with interstellar objects. And here,

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you know, there are four objects that were discussed in
the scientific literature, the most recent is the three eye Atlas,
discovered on July first, twenty twenty five. These four objects
came from outside the Solar System, and they have different sizes.
It looks like three eye Atlas is the biggest, but

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a large margin. It's at least ten times bigger than
the others, meaning it's at least a thousand times more
massive than the others. And it's just it makes no
sense that you have there will be an object a
thousand times more massive without seeing a thousand smaller objects
before that. We saw only a few before that, and

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so maybe it's a rama, as discussed in the novel
re Rendezvous with Rama, the science fiction novel by autul
Ce Clark, because the dimensions are similar of all the
tents of kilometers in diameter, and there were a number
of observations already, I mean, there were two hundred and

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twenty seven observatories around the globe that looked at three iAtlas.
I receved last week. I analyzed the four thousand data
points from these observatories on the path the tree iAtlas
took and given that it I mean it lost mass

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in the direction of the Sun. We see that in
the hubble telescope image here on the right. It's elongated
towards the sun, not away from the Sun. And it's
not fully understood why. But actually we're looking at it
almost John, we're seeing a jet that is ten times
longer than it is why towards the Sun. I should

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have given a recoil to the object, just the momentum conservation,
but we don't see a deviation of the trajectory from
a path that is sculpted by gravity alone. And that
means the object is extremely massive, at least thirty three
billions thirty three billion tons. This was the limit that

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I obtained in the paper a week ago based on
all the data we have. So it's a very massive object,
bigger than five kilometers. If it's solid density and there
is a plume of gas around it, mostly carbon dioxide
that it was observed by the web telescope Spherux telescope
as you can see here, and the plume goes all

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the way out to three hundred and fifty thousand kilometers
away from the nucleus. Not it's made the eighty seven
percent out of carbon dioxide and only four percent the water.
So very different if people claim that it's a comet.
It's very different than comets that we find in the

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Solar System. And you can see the path of this
object at the bottom. It's nearly aligned with the ecliptic
plane of the planets within five degrees. You can see
three Atlas coming in on the left. And it just
came very close to Mars two days ago, twenty nine
million kilometers from Mars. And then it will continue on

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its path and reach a point that is very close
to Jupiter on March sixteenth, twenty twenty six. And the
question is what's the chance that it will come along
the ecliptic plane to this precision. The answer is one
in five hundred. But moreover, it comes very close to

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Mars and Jupiter. For that, the timing needs to be right,
because Mars is going around the Sun, and why would
it be at the right time at the right place
when Mars is close to it? And that requires some
fine tuning of the timing of arrival. Even if you
maintain this this path, the timing itself is very fine tuned.

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And so if you multiply the probability for that timing
that will come close to Mars and Jupiter, and also
the probability that it will be in the ecliptic plane.
These are two independent probabilities that you find that it's
the chance of it exhibiting this closed passage to Mars

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and Jupiter is less than one in a million, very
small probability, so it's unusually rare. And of course people
that claim that it's just a natural comet, they don't
explain why it's so aligned with the ecliptic, why does
it come so close to Mars and Jupreter. They just
say it's you know, it's a coincidence. We happen to
be observing the third interstellar objects detected through telescopes set

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happened to be on a very rare trajectory. Okay, even
though the chance is one in a million, there are
other anomalies of this one, like we see mostly nickel
without much iron coming out of it, and that's the
way nickel is appearing in nickel alloys that are industrially produced.

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There is also a very negative polarization that is observed
coming from it, and most recently, less about a week ago, Yes,
I realized that it actually arrived from the direction of
the vow signal within nine degrees the chance of that
again at random is zero point six percent. So maybe

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the vow signal from nineteen seventy seven was omitted by
this object. They were almost from the same direction. So
many of these anomalies, you know, are not fully understood.
They could be explained perhaps in the future as we
understand the nature of the object from a natural origin.

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That has to do with the composition, It has to
do with the the size of the object being so large.
Perhaps you know, there is an explanation. But one thing,
you know, several things that cannot be easily explained irrespective
of how long, how much more data we get, is
why is it aligned with the ecliptic plane of the

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planet that will never go away, that's puzzling forever. And
why does it come so close to Mars and and
the Jupiter, And why is it more or less from
the same direction as the wove signal. You know, these
are coincidences that would not be relieved by future data.

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And three months ago I proposed the scale that is
called the Lobe scale. Now there are two papers on
it which give gives a rank of zero to an
object that is completely natural and a rank of ten
to a technological object that could be a threat, a

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global threat to Earth, to humanity. And I gave three
iye Atlas in recent months a rank of four because
of these seven anomalies that it has. But the future
data may bring it down. It will never go below two,
I would say, because the alignment of its trajectory will

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never go away and the timing of its rejectory will
never go away. And these are coincidences that cannot be
easily ignored. But if we get more data and it
looks as if it's technological, then obviously the ranking will
go up. If it maneuvers, for example, or emidst a

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radio signal, or we see some artificial lights coming from it,
or it looks strange because it's It came very close
to Mars yes two days ago, and there are seven
orbiters around Mars that could have taken data and we

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haven't seen it was not public yet. The only images
we've seen so far, very preliminary, are from the Perseverance Rover.
So there are seven different orbiters, one from NASA, the
Mars Reconnaissance ORBITA that has a camera called high Rise
that can take an image with a pixel resolution of

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thirty kilometers so we will know much more from that
image because the brightest pixel will constrain the area of
three a atlas. And then there are European and several
European orbiters that could take a spectrum an image, and
there is one Chinese orbiter and one from the UAE

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and other orbitals altogether seven of them, and I really
look forward to seeing that data when it comes out.
It's not public yet. There was a question of whether
we should message or intercept three Atlas, and that of
course depends on the details. And I am One thing
I recommended in a paper a month ago that was

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already published, is that we use the Juno spacecraft near
Jupiter to observe it. It could have almost intercepted it
if it had all the fuel that it started with,
but because it's used most of the fuel, it could
only get a little closer than it currently is. But
at any event, the Representative Lunar called me on the

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phone for an update about three Atlas, and I mentioned
this paper to her, and she wrote a letter official
letter from the US Congress to the Administrator or interim
Administrator of NASA, Sean Duffy, that you can see on
the left here that encourage us to use the Juveno mission,
and as far as I know, they didn't plunge it

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into JUPIDI it was supposed to die in September a
month ago, so I hope they will keep using it
to observe three ATHLETs. So obviously there is the fundamental
question of what should humanity do the day after an

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interstellar object is recognized as a technological alien technology, And
so I came out in an essay a month ago.
I came up with fifteen principles just to summarize them briefly. Obviously,

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this is a concern for all humans on Earth, because
we are all in the same boat, and so there
should be an international organization that And in fact I
submitted an official letter with a white paper to the
United Nations last week suggesting that there will be an
international committee that evaluates interstellar objects and whether there are

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risk because they could even if they look innocent, they
could potentially appear like a trojan horse or a black
Swan event, where probability is small that they are technological,
but then the implications are huge. And so it's well
known within the intelligence agencies that when dealing with a

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low probability event, you really need to have a contingency
plan because you don't want to be surprised. The big
failure of the intelligence in Israel during October seventh was
a result of them not considering a low probability event,

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not taking it seriously. And we also the consequences of
a statement. So at any event, there should be an organization,
international organization that considers the data we have on future
interstal objects. That will be one new one every few months,
discovered by the Rubin Observatory in Chile, and so over

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the next decade there could be maybe fifty of them,
and we should study them and decide whether all of
them are rocks or maybe one of them or more
are technological in origin. And this is a serious matter.
And of course the politicians or the financial markets will

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not respond to this threat seriously until we have the
first encounter. Humans are known for being always late to
the first surprise, and so that's okay. But once we
have the first encounter, it will become a major item.
And I think we could imagine even trillions of dollars

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allocated to an array of interceptors and probes that will
alert Earth to incoming threats. After the first encounter, and
of course there was the previous interest object that looked
weird that was and it was its brightness changed by

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a factor of tennis. It was tumbling, it had a
shape that is most likely flat, and it was pushed
away from the sun by some mysterious force without showing
any cometary evaporation. And I suggested it's not a comet,
but the comet experts argued, well, it has an invisible
cometary tale, which is a crazy idea, and believe it

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or not, the crazy idea is embraced by the mainstream
of comet experts rather than them considering a new idea,
so they would rather stick to something that makes no sense,
which is an invisible cometary tail, like the Emperor has

(17:11):
no has closed that are invisible in the Hans Christian
Andersen's So it just shows you the mindset of those
comed and many of them are attacking me personally just
by suggesting something different. And you know, I'm not trying
to solve their psychological problems. I think it's it's something
that their therapists should deal with, not me, because we

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know that we produce the space trash and not everything
in the sky. Therefore, is the rocks. You know, we
know that. So the next the Copernican revolution would be
that we are not alone. And I just I will
mention just in a few words, an expedition that I

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took a couple of years ago and it was documented
by Netflix filming crew, and you will see the Netflix
documentary in twenty twenty six coming out. This was another
interstellar object that collided with Earth in twenty fourteen and

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was confirmed by the USA Space Command as being interstellar
at the nineteen nine point nine to nine percent confidence.
And so I led an expedition to go to the
Pacific Ocean to search for the materials, and we recovered
some materials and brought them back to the laboratory of
my colleagues, time Jacobson at Harvard, and since then we

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found a ten percent of the materials had a chemical
composition that is different from Solar System materials. And these
were molten droplets that we found on the ocean floor
that is about a mile deep down there. And so
we are hoping to do another expedition to find bigger

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pieces this meteor, but it would cost six and a
half million dollars and we didn't we don't have a donor,
so sof yet to support it, so we're waiting for that.
The next year will be very exciting because, aside from

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the new observatories of the Galileo Project, can find a
few million objects in the sky. Over the coming year.
You know, we will search, of course for unidentified anormalous
phenomena of these few millions. Aside from that, there is
the Ruben Observatory in Chile that was just inaugurated and

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has a camera of three point two gigapixels and it
could find the UAPs as well as interstellar objects. So
I very much look forward to the coming year with
plenty of data from both the Ruben Observatory and the
Low observatories. So that is it, and I'll be happy

(20:09):
to answer any questions, especially about three. I at last,
let me just see if I can now stop sharing.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
Okay, great, all right, thank you so much, doctor doctor AVI.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
If anybody'd like to come up with over here broadcast headquarters.

Speaker 6 (20:29):
And also take some questions in our online chat I
has any feel free to come on out.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
But in in the meantime, and I I do sincerely,
thank you very much. Alv I was that was very
cool and and this is this is the latest, and
Grace serially check on on I end av Uh some people,
for example, the angry astronaut.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
I'm sure you know him. We all love him. I
mean very angry.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
And he suggested.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
He's very bus smoke in Australia.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
By the way, he might be angry, but is he
an astronaut.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Yeah, so so speeches on on that. But and I
invited him for an angry comment. I'll have to check later.
But uh, he did say I think he touched on you,
possibly mentioning it, and he mentioned it could three I
Atlas in anyway, some sort of spacecraft that on the

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outside it's it's a meteor or a rock or something,
because it has this bizarre green green light emanating from it.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Would that be outrageous and sci fi or.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
No, that's definitely a possibility because we all know about
the story on the city about the City of Troy
that accepted a gift that looked like a wooden horse,
and obviously you know that there was an existential threat
that was the Trojan Horse. And uh, definitely that is

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possible that that some alien gudget is masquerading itself with
an appearance that looks like a comet or a rock,
and the way to figure it out is to see
some excess heat coming from it, some unusual maneuver, artificial lights,
radio signal. There are many ways by which we can

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figure it out, and until we find those signatures, we
should assume that if it qualks like a duck walks
like a duck, it's a duck. So I'm suggesting using
all the instruments at our disposal to search for anomaliest
but if they are not there, you know it's probably

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a comet.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Okay, Well, well did you did you have a question
for a come on up and yeah, feel free.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
Ahead a time as well. My name is William du It.

Speaker 7 (23:06):
It is so great to meet you and the pig
ban obviously, Yes, I was wondering, as I, let's get
closer towards like its nearest passed by Earth again back without.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
Anything like interfering in between.

Speaker 7 (23:21):
It wouldn't that be around around December?

Speaker 5 (23:24):
Right?

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah? So actually I mentioned that it comes close to
Mars and Jupiter Mars two days ago on October third,
and Jupiter on March sixteenth. In the case of Jupiter,
it's fifty four million kilometers. In the case of Mars,
is twenty nine million kilometers now relative to Earth. It
seems like it's avoiding us because during the month of October.

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It comes closest to the Sun on October twenty ninth,
and the Earth is exactly on the opposite side of
the Sun, so the Sun is between us and the
three I Atlas. When you look at this during the
daytime during the month of October, just imagine that tree
Atlas is flying behind it, Okay. And maybe it was intentional,

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maybe not. We don't know. If it's natural, it must
be a coincidence. If it's if it was designed by
some intelligence, then perhaps there is a reason for that.
But you know, we cannot reach it with any of
our rockets because it moves the opposite direction of the
motion of the Earth around the Sun. So therefore, you know,

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in the month of October it will be roughly two
point three times farther from us than the Sun is okay,
because it's on the other side. And then in December,
you know, we come out of our trajectory and it
continues along its path, So even though it's not close
to the Sun, it will get closest to Earth when

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we come to the other side of our trajectory around
the Sun, and that would be in the middle of December. Yeah,
so it will not be close to Earth at any
part of its trajectory as long as it follows this
gravitational trajectory. Now, if it decides to maneuver, if it's technological,
then obviously it can get very close to Earth, or

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it can send the miniprobe, you know, if it's a
mother ship. So we should watch the sky in the
coming months, and I told the Galileo Project research team
to check if there are any unusual if there is
any unusual activity near Earth, you know, as a result
of something that it released, because it's moving in a

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retrograde trajectory that is opposite to the motion of the
planets around the Sun. So that is ideal for actually
sending probes that would collide with the planets, not need
to chase them, you know, as they move around the Sun.
And so we just need to watch it, keep our

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eyes on the ball, and if it turns out to
be a comet, then we learn some knew about you know,
unusual comments because it's very big, it's made of materials
different from any comment we've seen. It had this plume
of it had this jet pointed towards the Sun, not
clear where it came from. So it is anomalous, definitely,

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And but you know, maybe we're just lucky and it's
ideal for us to observe it because it came along
the ecliptic plane. So there are lots of telescope space assets,
spacecraft that are in the plane of the planets because
we went to visit those planets like Mars and Jupiter,
and so they can observe it. So that's a gift.

Speaker 5 (26:38):
You know.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
We we should count our blessings, even if we don't
know why they they were provided to us, even if
we you know, whether it's natural or some artificial origin.
We should just take advantage of those blessings and observe it.
And so let's see what the data shows.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
Awesome, Thank you so so much.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Would someone else like to come up and ask ask
doctor Avilobe anything?

Speaker 8 (27:09):
Yes, Hi, doctor Avilobe. So my name is Alissa, and
you've been really inspirational to me, especially lately with your
comments on your feeling of if this was you know,
something technologically made, and the pull together that we could

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possibly do as a society instead of doing a lot
of our focus on conflict and putting our money into
those places, and the idea that there could be a
cosmic neighbor out there who could maybe even help us
bring us together.

Speaker 9 (27:48):
I mean, I could go on and on.

Speaker 8 (27:49):
It brings me back to like the theories on you know,
the things that go on in Egypt and everything. But
I have kind of a crazy question for you. So
with the timing of the govern shut down and the
news kind of coming out slowly with everything from these
these cameras, and I was kind of wondering if Trump

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or like the government had really any knowledge upcoming about
three I at lists that would have maybe like had
something to do with their decision to the government shutdown.
And if there is like the possibility of the Galactic Federation.
I know that that was brought up to Trump and

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like mess like he spoke about it in twenty twenty.
So yeah, I know it's kind of a wild theory.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
But yeah, well, first, thank you so much. I every
day or two I put an essay on medium dot
com and I I'm not charging anything. You can subscribe
for free, and then I insist on making it free.
I see it as a work of love. So anyone
can read it. There is no pay war, so avilob

(29:02):
at medium dot com. Now, with respect to the shutdown,
you know, I tend to believe that it's not a
result of uh, extraterrestrial intelligence. I think it's a result
of terrestrial stupidity in Washington, d C. You know that
the politicians, you know, are shutting down the government for

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no good reason. It just causes pain and it's just
playing games, you know. And so I don't think it's
sort of related. But I should say that on the
Thursday night, I was interviewed on news marks and about
three I at Last and that was with Rob Fernetti.

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Uh and and that the interview was followed by an
interview of the deputy chief of Staff at the White House.
And you can find it in an essay that I
wrote on Friday, the links for these two and uh
So he was asked whether Trump was actually briefed on

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three I Atlas and the research that I'm doing, and
uh he said there is no reason to worry about it.
That that was the response of of so, uh, you know,
I'm I'm not sure how much is you know, how
much attention the White House has to this this matter,

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and but I hope someone is briefing them. I'm keeping
in touch with members of Congress and and and and
letting them know that the latest. And so the bottom
line is, I don't think the shutdown is likely to
be a result of fame, uh of this appearance of

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three A autlasts and uh it's possible that now after
these interviews that in fact there is indeed some awareness
over there in the White House. And so that's all
I can say as of now, Thank you so much.

Speaker 10 (31:33):
With with someone else like to ask, actually one quick
thing I did see last night.

Speaker 8 (31:44):
I'm not sure that it's accurate, but there's an image
that's been floating around on Reddit of three I outlass
and it's showing it in an oblong like cigar shape.
That's been it's really floating around. Well have you seen
this image, but your take on it, it's seeming like
people are seeing like a perfectly green, equal size like

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rod shape and it's not really fall I'm not sure
if you've seen that one.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah, this is an excellent question, and I was asked
about it actually also from the US Congress, and I
don't know exactly the exposure time. This is an image
from the Perseverance Rover. That's the claim, and I don't
know it from primary sources. That that's what the people
who show the image claim. But then if it's real,

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you know, it could always be far fabricated then, because
nowadays there are AI tools that can generate artificial images.
If it's real, this elongation could be just the result
of smearing by the exposure time of the camera on
the Perseverance Rover. So an object that would be like

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a spherical or so in its appearance would be or
even point like would be stretched to look like a
cylinder because you integrate over time, and so as the
object is moving across the Martian sky, it looks like
a cylinder rather than a point, you know, So that

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if I saw such an elongated feature, that would be
my first guess, because you have to ask how long
was the integration time the exposure time, and then could
it this this elongated image be just the result of that,
And of course the shorter the exposure time is the
less elongation you should get. So that's how you can

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distinguish quite easily between a really a real cylinder in
the sky that should not change its size depending on
the exposure time. Okay, so this is an easy thing
to check because you can also look at the images
of neighboring stars. That's even easier. And if the images

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of the stars near the object are also elongated by
the same amount, then you know that it's not nothing
to do with the cylindrical shape of the object, because
the stars are not supposed to be cylindrical. And so
that's a very easy thing. So unfortunately they showed the
image without looking, you know, without showing nearby stars. In

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an essay that I posted on Saturday yesterday, I actually
showed an image from the must Come Zee come around
the Perseverance rover. It showed some smadg of three A atlas,
didn't show any elongation. So I just want to see
what this image that was distributed around over the past day,

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where did it come from, how long was the exposure
and so forth. And this is actually the essay where
I talk about Stephen Miller uh in this separate news
segment that spoke that was asked about whether the US
President was briefed about three outlas after I appeared with

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on this program of news Marx, thank you.

Speaker 8 (35:18):
And just lastly, if I could ask I think today,
I didn't notice that you had maybe upgraded the loop
scale for three outlies from A two to two A four,
And am I accurate with that or has.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
It I had?

Speaker 8 (35:31):
What was the loop scale upgraded for three ouls from
two to four recently?

Speaker 1 (35:38):
No, I was always at four. I haven't changed it
because I'm waiting for the data to be collected by
the orbiters around Mars. That would be the most definitive
data about the size of the object and whether it
looks anomalous. So that's I'm really waiting for the month
of October before I will change my ranking.

Speaker 9 (35:58):
Perfect.

Speaker 8 (35:59):
Thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Thank you, excellent questions, Thank you.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
One wonderful questions and folks, And I would like to
say from a personal experience that AVI or you know,
doctor avil I like to come, is very very kind
and approachable, So please please feel free, you know, any
any questions of if you want, He's not going to
laugh at you. If he hasn't laughed at me, he's
not gonna laugh at you.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
I also wanted to put on the chat the link
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Speaker 11 (36:41):
Yes, awesome, Thank you talked a little bit. My question
is a little vague. I was just thinking, you know,
with the thousands or hundreds up to thousands of discoveries
of extraterrestrial whatever you want to call them, crafts, there's
a lot of speculation of like, you know, it's duc
obviously this is something of higher intelligence, or you know,

(37:03):
let's collect the data. Let's take a look to see
where we can pinpoint this as.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Oops, we lost the sound. Can you repeat the last
part of your question, we lost the sound for some reason?

Speaker 5 (37:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (37:21):
Yeah, I'll sum it up, like, when we take a
look at these crafts that are moving through space, you know,
there's always a speculation that these could be like type
three civilization or type two. What do you say to
anyone who's apprehensive of us going out to collect data
that maybe we would get, you know, a negative response

(37:41):
from whatever's out there.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah. So in terms of the type of civilization, that
really depends on the size of the object that is
of technological origin from interstar space. So for example, this
three I Atlas, if it has a mass more than
thirty three billion tons, you know, just to get it
up to speed of sixty kilometers per second. That it's
observed that it requires a huge amount of energy. You

(38:06):
need a very significant engine to power it and also
to maintain activities inside such a huge spacecraft. So that
would require something you know, that is a different class
of technological advancement, and then humanity definitely type two or something.

(38:27):
So my recommendation is not to assume anything, just to
see what comes our way and then decide. And then,
you know, once we have enough data to make it clear,
you know, to everyone that there is no doubt that
the object we're looking at is technological, then we can ask, okay,
what are the implications as to the centers, you know,

(38:49):
what does it mean about their abilities and the fact
that they reached us before we reach them, and they
have used an engine with a power that is so
much than anything we can imagine. You know, the biggest
rocket that we launched was roughly less than one hundred
meters in size, you know, so here we're talking about

(39:10):
ten kilometers. It's the difference between a football field and
the size of Manhattan Island. It's quite a different size object.
And so it's quite possible that you know that those
that reach us are far more advanced than we are,
and we can learn from them. But first we have
to clearly detect them, and for that we need scientific

(39:30):
quality data from instruments, not eyewitness testimonies. I mean, these
are intriguing, but we cannot rely on them because sometimes
people are wrong, you know, they miss they have wish
for thinking, they mistake something natural for something that looks artificial.
So that's what I'm trying to do with it. Got
a lot of project to get the scientific quality data,

(39:51):
and if the US government has such data, I would love.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
To see it.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
I haven't seen it. Yeah, hopefully it means a big picture. Yes,
we'll see what comes up.

Speaker 12 (40:06):
Okay, Hi, doctor Low, thank you so much for being
with your today.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
I just have a question. I was wondering if you
could help me out.

Speaker 12 (40:17):
I'm really excited to have, you know, world's leading scientists
and academics like yourself taking this topic seriously. Whenever I
try to talk to my closest friends or family about
NHI or ufo uIP visiting Earth, I'm always met with
it's impossible because you cannot go faster than the speed
of light.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
You don't need you don't need to go faster than night.
They are completely wrong. So here here are the numbers.
You can tell them. The universe existed for thirteen point
eight billion years, okay. The Sun formed in the last
one third of cosmic history. The Sun formed, you know,

(40:56):
four point six billion years ago. You know, that's one
third cosmic history, exactly one. So most of the stars
that we find in the universe formed billions of years
before the Sun. Okay. Now, how much time does it
take for a spacecraft like Voyager. You know our own
technology from the nineteen seventies, So tell you your family,

(41:19):
friends and you know members. We all know about Voyager.
It was in the seventies. All technology, nothing really fancy,
nothing in the future. Just the thing that we launched
in the seventies. Okay, that would take you know, Voyagers
will eventually exit the Solar System and it will arrive

(41:39):
at the opposite side of the Milky Way galaxy in
less than a billionaires. Okay, So it will be opposite
to the Sun on the other side of the galactic
disk in a billionaires. So if the difference in age
between stars like the Sun. Most of them formed several
billionaires before the Sun. There was plenty of time for
a voyager like spacecraft to make it to our backyard.

(42:02):
I don't understand what they're talking about, because just imagine
us in the billionaires. So, you know, the point is
that they already went through what we are going through,
possibly billions of years ago, and for them to reach
us is trivial in a billionaire. So, I mean, they
may not be around, they might be dead by now,
but the fact that we can detect their technological products

(42:28):
just like searching, you know, for relics or artifacts from
ancient civilizations on Earth. You know, just do archaeology and
you find evidence for civilizations that existed before the present time.
That's what we do in archaeology. There is a whole
profession of archaeologist looking for such relics. So why would
we not do archaeology of the Milky Way galaxy in

(42:49):
the same way looking for relics of other civilizations that
existed before us. It's exactly the same logic. Whoever is
telling you otherwise, you know, it makes no sense.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
Thank you so much, appreciate it. Sure h.

Speaker 13 (43:14):
Hello doctor, next meet you. I have a question well,
two questions. If you could send two musicians to space
that are not classical composers, and two works of fiction,
just jet them out to space so our compatriots out
there could hear our music or the works of literature,

(43:35):
what would you personally choose.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Well, frankly, I would not put anything. You know, there
was this Golden Record that was sent with Voyager and
was supposed to pride in the best accomplishments in the
arts and history of humanity. So they put on a plaque.
I mean, that was a committee that was led by
Carl Sagan that decided what to put there. And frankly,

(44:00):
I'm not very proud of music of the sixties. You know,
I'm not necessarily a big fan of the Beatles, and well,
I like music always, the music of today, you know,
I really enjoy music that I hear today more than
the past. That's just my personal take. But my point

(44:21):
in general is that we shouldn't be so proud of
what we produce so far, because we are really at
the beginning of our science and technology. We only had
science and technology for one century, and whoever is likely
to see what we are, you know, what we produced
could have you know, science and technology for a millionaires

(44:43):
or a billionaires, and just think about us, and you know,
where will we be in a millionaires? You know, like
what we are, what we have accomplished so far, is
really nothing. And you know, it's just like you know,
and on the in the crack of a pavement, you know,
they can be very proud of the castle that they built,

(45:05):
you know, the ants, but when a biker passes by,
the biker doesn't give them but their pride, you know,
like this is completely irrelevant. And so what we are
most proud of, I think will become completely irrelevant as
we make progress and become more and more advanced. And
the same must be true for them. They don't care
about you know, for them, we look very close to

(45:28):
animals if they progressed over millions of years beyond the
science and technology that we have. So I won't try
to brag at all, you know, on a in a
blind date, my advice is, instead of bragging, you better
listen to the other side, you know, just this is
my advice for a blind date. Instead of being showing off,

(45:50):
you know that let's just listen to the other side
and see how far they got. And you know. We
Once we know that, we can assess whether it may
make sense for us to to or we should learn
from them. You know, that would be much much better
to learn from them than to to brag or show
off about their music or literature. That's my my, that's

(46:12):
my two cents on about blind dates.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
Thank you very much. And one more question.

Speaker 14 (46:19):
Do you think the the philosophy that like humanity has
been able to to to construct something like Hegel's philosophy,
something like Marxist theories? Do you think all civilizations, whether
you know they're from space or from here from wherever,

(46:40):
do you think those kinds of aspects of well, we yeah,
it would be humanity. But those aspects of thought, do
you think they will permeate throughout all different kinds of
like do they hold true for all living material or.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Do Yeah, that's that's a very deep question. And I
think it depends on how their brains are structured. So
some people suggest that maybe science is universal, you know,
that they would have the same scientific principles that they
discovered and therefore we can converse with them about But
it really depends. You know, so the size of our

(47:15):
brain was limited by how much power our body can
give to our brain. It's using twenty percent of the
metabolic energy consumption of the human body. You know, twenty
percent is our brain from the entire body, and therefore
you rive the brain. By the way, it's not a lot.
It's just twenty watts. You know, if you think about

(47:35):
the smaller light bulb, you know, it's just twenty watts.
That's all that our brain is using, compared to the
jigowats that the artificial intelligence AI systems are using. Just
think about it. It's amazing that the human brain can
accomplish so much with twenty watts. But nevertheless, it couldn't
grow bigger because the body would not be able to
support it. That's the biggest it could go. Roughly speaking,

(47:57):
a fifth of the power is going to the brain.
So now maybe they have bigger bodies, you know, maybe
they have bigger brains. And in that case, you know,
the way they think is very different than we are,
and so it's very hard for us to imagine what
someone with a higher intelligence is thinking and how that

(48:21):
kind of a brain is capable of interpreting the world,
you know, and writing and coming up with theories. And
you know, one possibility is that if you look at
human history, we are making a lot of mistakes and
we keep failing. And maybe it's because we're not smart enough,
you know. And and there is a solution for how
to organize people in a better way, but we haven't

(48:44):
figured it out because we are not smart enough. You know.
Just look at a group of chimpanzees in the jungle.
You know, they don't organize themselves in the most effective
way because we do it better the humans, because we
are more intelligent. So, going by this principle, you know,
if there is something more intelligent than us, perhaps they

(49:04):
figured out a better way to organize themselves, better than marks,
better than all the theories that we have. And the
same is true about science. They figured out, you know,
things that we don't even imagine. So so that's why
I'm saying, let's just be open minded and learn from
them if they show up, and this will teach us modesty.

(49:25):
You know, we we are quite arrogant. There are lots
of people that say that we are the most intelligent
things and there is nothing else out there, and we're
probably alone. And I think we we deserve some sense
of modesty, and that may come from a more intelligent
from a more intelligent student in our class. You know,

(49:48):
thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
So so Abbi, would you please have time for one
more question?

Speaker 1 (49:59):
One more question and yeah then I need to go
to a podcast interview after that, so just one more.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Tashi okay, and again, thank you, appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
Hi, thank you fan.

Speaker 15 (50:13):
So I just had a quick question. So the angry
ask I put out like a video talking about how
there might have been like some interstellar probe or whatever
just because of the way the spheroids or whatever formed
in the ocean when it impacted. But about fourteen minutes
into the sorry the video, he's discussing how both three
IYE at lists and this interstellar object came from roughly
the same spot where three atlas was like Sagittarius, and

(50:38):
well the other one was around the star Vega. And
I'm just curious if there's any relevance to that spot
in the sky at all, if there's ever been like
anything brought to your attention from maybe the area of
the Vegas star or the Sagittarius constellation with relevance to
like interstellar objects like this, especially like impacting or green

(51:00):
in color or anomalous things at all.

Speaker 5 (51:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
So an important point to make about that is that
in any direction on the sky, there could be a
lot of stars along that direction, because you know, there
are one hundred billions of them in the Milkia galaxy.
So if you just pick a direction, you can pass
through very close to many stars and not just Vegas.
So we don't know the specific star that it could

(51:24):
have come from, any of the objects could have come from.
But what we can ask is whether any two objects
originate from the same direction in the sky. You know,
that's something we can ask. And I looked into that,
and it doesn't look like the other interstellar objects came
from the same direction of three atlas. Then maybe some

(51:45):
other objects that we will see in the future or
that we miss that came from that direction. The only
coincidence I noticed was the WOW signal, the radio signal
from nineteen seventy seven, which surprisingly came from within nine
degree of that direction. And it's either a signature of
some transmitter on free outlas or some other source that

(52:09):
communicate with your atlus, or something that by chance happened
to be in the same direction. This is the only
radio signal that was claimed to be definitely exceterational without
a good explanation, and so since nineteen seventy seven, there
may have been more signals, there may have been more
interestedar objects. We don't know. So I'm trying to bring

(52:31):
awareness into the radio community to be aware of those
possibilities and just look if there is any radio emission
from any of the interested objects we'll find in the future,
also check. I mean, there was no report from Free Atlas,
so you know, it's always working progress, but we need
to find some clinging evidence that will convince beyond any

(52:54):
doubt that we're dealing with some technological device. And that's
what I'm after once once we find it, you know,
the conversation with change.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Thank you all right, folks on behalf of all of us.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
Thank you so much. Job it was it's a pleasure.
I hope to see you again and appreciate all that
you're doing. Definitely keep keep going. The whole world's watching
and everybody appreciates it and appreciates you. Thanks so much.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
Okay, folks, So that was that was very very cool,
And in a moment or two we're going to have
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Speaker 2 (53:48):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
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Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
We have been having an okay, ookey, awesome, outstanding u symposium,
first of it's kind, uniting the uIP community. And now
with us we have the one and only, very well known.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Podcaster Ty Roberts Total Podcast. Thanks so much for being
here with us, Ty, Yeah, So what do you what
are your news and views? You know? So what's the
deal over?

Speaker 18 (01:01:26):
Well, So I came here today obviously I wanted to
talk about a few things, you know, we've been dealing.
I've been working with several of the nuclear witnesses on
getting them into a place where they're able to potentially testify.
So a lot of the nuclear witnesses are getting up

(01:01:46):
there in age. Bob Zallice is eighty six, Shindelli is
right around there as well. So a lot of these
nuclear witnesses, you know, they they know that the clock
is ticking and they want to do their part for
the American people, and they want to sit in front
of an open congressional hearing and talk about the stories

(01:02:08):
that I think are some of the most pertinent in
the UFO community. They have to do with our most
sensitive facilities. You know, people in this in this symposium
today have talked about the drone incursions and all these things.
So imagine if just imagine some years ago, uh this
all being very very low key, the Internet non existing,

(01:02:30):
but having the same type of incursions over your military facilities.
I mean imagine being the people that are on the
base and they are they're the ones who are going
to determine, you know, what happens, how it happens, and
why right, And they have the most destructive weapons on

(01:02:51):
those bases. So when we have incursions of UFO and
u AP over those sensitive facilities, knowing how they operate,
what their sps are, how tight they take everything, and
how they vet the people that are working in those facilities,
when they come out and start telling stories about Listen,
this craft came over and disabled ten of our nuclear weapons.

(01:03:13):
We owe it to them to hear them out. So
I'll start off with something I wrote. It has to
do with united unity in the community touches on some
of the UFO you know, nuclear aspect, and that we
can that we can open up and talk and have
a have a roundabout discussion if you will. So obviously

(01:03:35):
it's honor to be here with everyone today at the symposium.
Like Jim and Jane said, one of a kind new
thing they're trying out. I really really love the opportunity
to speak. It's a gathering that's, you know, not just
about UFOs, but something deeper uniting the community. We're all
here because of a mystery some of us. Some of

(01:03:56):
us have chased it for decades. Some are new to
the path, some have seeing things they'll never forget. Some
are here out of curiosity or skepticism. But whatever your
background is, whatever our differences are, we share one powerful thing,
we want the truth. And yet we also share something else,

(01:04:17):
a responsibility because disclosure, real disclosure. It's not an event,
it's not a headline, it's not even a government hearing.
It is a process. It's a movement and at its
heart it's people.

Speaker 9 (01:04:32):
So over the past several.

Speaker 18 (01:04:33):
Years, my own work has taken me into some of
the most sensitive corners of the subject. I'm focused heavily
on the connection between UFOs and our nuclear weapons and facilities. Arguably,
it is one of the most disturbing and consequent quencil
aspects of the phenomenon. I've worked directly with Bob saalas
one of the most credible and courageous witnesses we have,

(01:04:54):
whose account of the nineteen sixty seven Malmstrom Air Force
Base missile shutdown that means a cornerstone case for those
who don't know, multiple nuclear missiles went offline under circumstances
that no one can explain, with identified unidentified objects observed
above the base.

Speaker 9 (01:05:13):
This wasn't a story that was told in whispers.

Speaker 18 (01:05:16):
This was documented, It was recorded, and it was confirmed
by multiple personnel in multiple facilities. In the last two years,
I've helped facilitate briefings with members of Congress, including Nancy
Mace and Eric Berlson, bringing Bob's testimony in others evidence
directly to policymakers in DC after both subsequent recent UAP hearings.

(01:05:40):
From the outside, that might not really sound like disclosure
in action, but here's what I've learned from being inside
those rooms. Our leaders they can't do this alone. They
can only act on what they understand, what they can
only understand, and they can only understand what we show them,
which means the burden isn't on them, it's on us.

(01:06:03):
We often talk about disclosure like it's a single moment,
like the curtain's just going to drop, and the President's
going to come out speaking, and the craft's going to
get wheeled out on stage and suddenly humanity has changed forever.
It is a compelling fantasy, but that's not how history works.
History doesn't leap, it builds. Civil rights didn't happen in

(01:06:24):
a day. Women's suffrage didn't happen in a day. The
Berlin Wall didn't fall in a day because of one
speech or one act. These were movements built on countless
individuals making countless small choices across decades to push for
something bigger than just themselves, and disclosure will be no different,

(01:06:46):
which means we have to meet our leaders halfway. You
might not agree with Trump, you might not agree with
this politician that politician, but we do need to set
that aside for something that is bigger than ourselves. It
means we have to put aside our differences, even sometimes
our ego.

Speaker 9 (01:07:06):
To move the ball forward.

Speaker 18 (01:07:07):
I know it's hard for a lot of people, especially
in this community, but it's something we're going to have
to get used to. It means not just demanding transparency,
but also demonstrating credibility, patience.

Speaker 9 (01:07:19):
And unity, not the vision. Think about the scope of
what we're talking about.

Speaker 18 (01:07:25):
The Molmster missile shutdowns in sixty seven, Rendelsham Forest incident
near NATO nuclear assets in nineteen eighty, the ongoing encounters
our navy pilots have reported and keep reporting off of
both of our coasts since at least two thousand and four.

Speaker 9 (01:07:40):
These are not just lights in the sky.

Speaker 18 (01:07:43):
These are objects under intelligent control, operating where they should
not be, sometimes interfering with our most sensitive technologies. I
don't think this is just a US issue. I don't
think anyone would say it is. It's not even just
a national security issue. It's a human issue. And that
means every single person in this room, across the Internet,

(01:08:06):
every single citizen out there, has a vested interest in
what's happening. But here's the challenge. We're living in the
information age, and with information comes disinformation. For every credible
whistleblower that comes out, there's also going to be a charlatan.
For every declassified document, there's a hoax. For every effort

(01:08:28):
to bring clarity, there is an effort to muddy the waters.

Speaker 9 (01:08:32):
This isn't chaos.

Speaker 18 (01:08:34):
It's a strategy because as long as we're divided, distracted
and distrustful of one another, we're not going to be effective.
And we're absolutely not united. And let's be honest, sometimes
we make it easy. This field can start to feel
like a cosmic version of a family dinner. Uncle Bob
said he saw the Nordics. Cousin Sue says, the government

(01:08:55):
has bodies in a freezer. Somebody flips the table, and
before you know it, the whole family is not listening.

Speaker 9 (01:09:02):
But we can do better than that. We have to
do better.

Speaker 18 (01:09:04):
Than that, because if we don't, if we let the
noise drowned out the signal, then we risk something far
greater than losing a debate on Twitter. We risk losing
our chance, maybe our last chance, to do something extraordinary.
This is bigger than politics, bigger than secrecy.

Speaker 9 (01:09:23):
It's bigger than technology.

Speaker 18 (01:09:25):
This is about who we are as a species and
who we want to be in the future. The true
point of disclosure isn't simply to find out what's in
the sky, it's to find out what's inside of us.
Disclosure is the ultimate test of whether we can rise
above the fear, the ego, and division and stand together

(01:09:46):
as one human family in the face of something larger
than ourselves. So the moment we decide whether we're just
tribes fighting over turf and resource or for our civilization
that's ready to meet our cosmic neighbors, it's the phenomenon
showing us. If the phenomenon is showing us anything, it's this.

(01:10:09):
We are being asked to grow up, and right now
we're not doing a really good job. So my message
to you today is this, Disclosure starts with us. It
starts with humility, It starts with vigilance. It starts with
the willingness to see our neighbors as allies, not opposition.

(01:10:31):
Because whether you're here for the science, the spirituality, or
the security implications, hell, maybe you don't believe any of
it all, we're all ultimately here for the same reason,
the future. And if there is one legacy this movement
can leave, one history can write, let it be this

(01:10:51):
that when faced with the greatest mystery of our time,
we didn't turn on each other and run. We turn
toward each each other and embraced in doing so. We
didn't just reveal what was in the skies, we revealed
what humanity truly is.

Speaker 9 (01:11:09):
Thank you. That's my message to the community today. It
is ah.

Speaker 18 (01:11:16):
I mean like, it's very interesting for me starting off
as a very very nuts and bolts kind of person
at a siding when I was very very young, and
so for me, it was a lot of the time
it was very very nuts and bolts, and I didn't
really want to go into the abduction stuff. I didn't
want to go into the consciousness stuff because that's when

(01:11:40):
the line where the message gets a.

Speaker 9 (01:11:43):
Little money for me.

Speaker 18 (01:11:44):
But I think it's all of these things together that
are going to be what pushes us forward. So it's
not just one thing. It's not just this thing. It's
not just this person or faction. And if you're defending
your favorite UFO guru, like it's your fantasy football team,
then we have a problem. And that's what's happening right
now is every person thinks they're going to be the

(01:12:05):
one to to move disclosure across the line. When it's
a team effort, it's a team sport.

Speaker 9 (01:12:12):
If that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
That was so painful.

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
Moving and it makes sense when you when you stay
there because I have a lot of favorites almost like.

Speaker 5 (01:12:26):
I love you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
But that's right there. It's a team.

Speaker 18 (01:12:31):
Effort, yes, Like for instance, like and I don't mind
saying it, like doctor Greer is not going to be
the one that pushes disclosure over the edge.

Speaker 9 (01:12:40):
Lason is not going to be the one that pushes
it over the edge. All of us.

Speaker 18 (01:12:45):
Together, working together, in spite of all the differences that
we have across the globe. That's what's going to move
it forward. Pressure, global pressure, And you know there's talks
and government of you know, I closed doors of a
what they call, what is it a chaotic disclosure?

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Chaotic?

Speaker 9 (01:13:05):
Yeah, so that's like.

Speaker 18 (01:13:06):
So what happened to me at nine years old when
I saw a UFO just right over my head? My
reality became fractured. So what if that happens to everybody
all at once, that's going.

Speaker 9 (01:13:18):
To be a big problem.

Speaker 18 (01:13:19):
So something just shows up here tomorrow right now, that's
going to be it's going to break people.

Speaker 9 (01:13:25):
So I think what they're trying to do, this is
my opinion.

Speaker 18 (01:13:28):
And three ialyst comes into this, I think because maybe
they've known for quite some time that something's on its
way and that they can't keep the secrecy under wraps
any longer.

Speaker 9 (01:13:38):
That it was going to force their hand.

Speaker 18 (01:13:41):
And that's why this kind of slow drip disclosure started.
But again, I think we're gonna have to meet our
leaders halfway.

Speaker 9 (01:13:50):
We have to put the politics aside.

Speaker 19 (01:13:52):
Yeah, and this is what I've said for some time
that it seems, you know, and these phrases, you know, disclosure,
that's you know, these are terms of our as I've
said in the intelligence world, control disclosure and all that.
What I see is the happening now is the next phase,
which is transitioned by design.

Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
And I know a lot of people said it, like
you said, people.

Speaker 19 (01:14:18):
People want they want, they want to be you know,
under testimony, something wheeled in in the alien, you know,
walks in behind him and introduces himself.

Speaker 5 (01:14:29):
And not going to happen, even if possible, I'm not
gonna happen.

Speaker 19 (01:14:34):
Well, what we're you know, I think I think we're
past disclosure, and we are in what's called transition by design.

Speaker 5 (01:14:43):
And you know, I say we're past disclosure because.

Speaker 19 (01:14:46):
Again, we have agencies and organizations, we have progressional hearings,
we have the thing that says there's stuff we don't
know about right out the new on that is people
want to hige, yes, you do know about it, right,
and how much it's you know, you don't know, but

(01:15:08):
somebody knows that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:09):
I want to know, and all the rest and question
and then and then right, why you want to know?
For what reason?

Speaker 19 (01:15:21):
Just to know you know, what is going to materially
change in your day to day life.

Speaker 5 (01:15:29):
So there's that aspect of it. There's the aspect and
and you know again fine lines. Right.

Speaker 19 (01:15:35):
I agree that the truth, that truth and accountability is important.
I've said it before, like I said it on You
Know with you and your show, that there have been
decades of people whose lives, families, careers were ruined and
literally ended because they just asked questions about things that

(01:16:01):
they didn't understand. Right, And in my own experience in
this community, I get I get the feeling of frustration
of the whistleblowers and these people you know, through through
the decades. Right, I came out with you know, I

(01:16:21):
had my father in law's work dropped to my lamp.
I had no idea what it was all about and
reached out to everybody who was the expert, the champion
of disclosure, the this, the that, and the other, saying
can you have a look? You know, can you look
for once I did start reaching researching it myself, you know,

(01:16:46):
saying can you you know this is what I think
it might be. Can we have a professional conversation to
some degree between somebody who has I think significant evidence
I think is significant? What did I What did you

(01:17:06):
get you?

Speaker 9 (01:17:11):
Yeah, there's resistance to other resistance. Yeah, it's flat out
closing the door on you.

Speaker 19 (01:17:19):
Right, you know what what would have been nice is conversation,
right follow up to the email?

Speaker 5 (01:17:28):
Uh, you know again.

Speaker 9 (01:17:31):
A bit of discourse, just a bit.

Speaker 5 (01:17:33):
Of acknowledgement that I was to be reaching out for help.

Speaker 18 (01:17:38):
With, especially given and what I find peculiar about your
your framework is that you do have this kind of
technical blueprint and there are many people who stories and
that that would fit with it, and it would kind
of make maybe maybe the picture a little clearer. But

(01:18:00):
due to you not having enough conferences under your belt
or enough notoriety in your in yours, this one.

Speaker 5 (01:18:10):
Makes me mental.

Speaker 19 (01:18:11):
Right, I'm an Air Force veteran, Yes, all right served
in the desert Swarm Somolian Buzznian Presidential Honor Guard. Ye right,
No one wants to get a good clear military record.
I'm you know, I worked as a contractor c I AD,
I a only.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:18:35):
So yeah, you brought me a great sign for the
studio world.

Speaker 5 (01:18:39):
As you mentioned earlier in my introduction.

Speaker 19 (01:18:41):
I'm a corporate yes, I mean on show oil on
the case in Nigeria and went all the way to
the UK screen cort right.

Speaker 5 (01:18:54):
From the street. In extent. Now I'm retired. I didn't
do any this while I was in the world, you.

Speaker 9 (01:19:02):
Know, And that's when people stopped listening.

Speaker 19 (01:19:04):
And that's what they stopped because it's you know, it's it's.

Speaker 5 (01:19:10):
Crazy to me that in particular and particularly I'm doing
all the work.

Speaker 19 (01:19:14):
Right mind you and anybody I said this to said, wow,
this is amazing, and you know and I and I
said to me, you know, I done.

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
With you guys, you know, first introduced you to it.

Speaker 17 (01:19:27):
This is what I want.

Speaker 5 (01:19:28):
This is what the first person who was like, I
know what to do with this. You have never heard
my name, you never heard from me.

Speaker 19 (01:19:41):
ID have just handed it over and been like, you know,
those guy's green lights.

Speaker 5 (01:19:46):
God bless you. You know, you know, if there's a
party at the end of this, you know, or what
have you.

Speaker 19 (01:19:52):
But but it was this idea that I'm you know,
to sit and watch all of these things go on online.

Speaker 5 (01:19:59):
Well I wonder what this is.

Speaker 19 (01:20:00):
I wonder that, and this is what I think and that,
and then then to say, well, listen, I've got this
body of engineering work and I tested it against this.
But what you're saying on the right crack, here's something
that adds to it, you know what I get.

Speaker 5 (01:20:15):
Then well, I still think, you know, I don't know
what to do with you.

Speaker 19 (01:20:20):
Then then I don't know how to help you because
you're so convinced by your ideas that you know, they
just block out anything that it seems to even add
to them.

Speaker 5 (01:20:38):
Everine contradict.

Speaker 9 (01:20:40):
It's like a it's a very big problem.

Speaker 5 (01:20:42):
You want to add to it.

Speaker 20 (01:20:43):
But you know, the these walls go up and these
little victems, you know, formed, and that's part of the
reason why you know we're doing what we're doing in
formats like this to say it doesn't you know, nobody's
trying to steal your audience.

Speaker 5 (01:20:59):
He's trying to think money, you punk it for your
you know, for your book.

Speaker 18 (01:21:03):
You know, the rising tie lifts all the ships, but
no one wants to see that, David.

Speaker 5 (01:21:09):
And my thing is my challenge.

Speaker 19 (01:21:12):
Here is the idea, and it's why I become more skeptical.
And then I become more convinced that the worst thing
in the world that can happen for any.

Speaker 5 (01:21:22):
Of them is disclosure.

Speaker 21 (01:21:24):
Absolutely, because if you your scenario comes true and from
as you know, the Rose Garden and gives a speech
and they wheel everything out, this entire the celebrities of
the entire community, you're done.

Speaker 19 (01:21:41):
They're all gone, because then what happens is your your David,
yours and your Lester holes.

Speaker 5 (01:21:49):
Yes, no, I don't see.

Speaker 19 (01:21:53):
Starting retired for star general, retired admiral and how they
can talk about everything.

Speaker 5 (01:21:59):
And now they've had a bigger.

Speaker 9 (01:22:00):
Broader no more need for mister disclosure. The middle man
needs to get kind out.

Speaker 19 (01:22:07):
And scientists, you know, like professor oh, you know, come
out and they're like, oh, well, now we see what
this is.

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
Now I can explain you know, amateur hours old.

Speaker 18 (01:22:17):
Yeah, And the thing is one of the things that
I talk about many you know, I don't want to
sit in a room where everyone agrees with everything I say.

Speaker 9 (01:22:26):
I like a little discourse. I like when someone challenges
me and.

Speaker 22 (01:22:30):
The construction or nothing, no personal tax punt again in
a constructive.

Speaker 9 (01:22:36):
The fact that you even have to say that is
a problem.

Speaker 22 (01:22:39):
Because because people takes the heart, and you know, they
like you, like and like you said his personalities and
so forth, and people have their favorites of fruiting.

Speaker 18 (01:22:51):
Remember, and and anyone and anyone, I wish they would
have stayed because I would have liked to pull this.
But anyone who is I would say, thirty years of
age or above would know this. And do you remember
when you grew up and the phrase it takes a
village came?

Speaker 9 (01:23:09):
You know, right, it takes a village, right I was.
I didn't have just my mother when I was growing up.

Speaker 18 (01:23:16):
The community that the neighborhood I grew up in, we
had an open door everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:23:21):
We could walk in to Zach's house.

Speaker 18 (01:23:24):
We could walk into Mike's house, and we'd get dinner
and whatever they were having.

Speaker 9 (01:23:28):
It was this communal thing. But I look around in.

Speaker 18 (01:23:31):
My neighborhood now and everybody hangs each other. No, and
everybody's doors locked and everybody if you, God forbid, you
have a different political belief Now you're not just someone
I'm not going to talk to, but you're the enemy.

Speaker 23 (01:23:49):
We've been super dessensive, funny, it's scary now open minded
and people's different.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
No, that's the uh uh motives.

Speaker 24 (01:24:07):
And then in real about school and uh and I
will under people that.

Speaker 5 (01:24:22):
Where people.

Speaker 10 (01:24:29):
That I believe your opinion.

Speaker 5 (01:24:38):
Saying well your.

Speaker 9 (01:24:40):
Opinion, shake hands and walk away. There's no more of that.

Speaker 19 (01:24:45):
We had a situation on one of the other shows.
I do you know somebody came in. We have the
after chat, and you know, somebody came in. He's, oh, man,
did you see from He's going mental blah blah blah
blah blah. He's saying all this crazy stuff. No, I
haven't seen you know. Uh so he'sa can I play it? Okay,
something you want to talk about, go ahead and play it.

(01:25:05):
And the clip he played, you know, after watched it,
I just said to him, well, I think the clip
and what you were saying about it is is out
of context. I think the context wasn't he was saying
something crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:25:19):
It was.

Speaker 19 (01:25:20):
It was a discussion happening before that clip the person
who started speaking went off.

Speaker 5 (01:25:27):
And went to the suspect and this, and so people
are like, yeah, you didn't want to hear it.

Speaker 19 (01:25:34):
He just wanted affirmation of, you know, his opinion, and
everybody else to say, oh, you know, and.

Speaker 5 (01:25:42):
And again you know, my career, my career, right, she
would analysis. I don't.

Speaker 19 (01:25:50):
I you know, I hardly watched the news. I'll hardly reactor,
you know, to a headline. If I see a headline,
then I go investigate on my own to see what
it actually is.

Speaker 5 (01:26:02):
The headline story never matches.

Speaker 18 (01:26:05):
Well, you know what's funny is now, I've been, like
I said, I've been working with some of the nuclear witnesses,
and without giving too much away, let's just say they're
they're mostly blue, if you catch my drift.

Speaker 9 (01:26:23):
So but the but the only people that will meet them.

Speaker 18 (01:26:27):
Are red Nancy Mace Burlison. So imagine setting these conversations up. Fundamentally,
the witness disagrees wholeheartedly with the member, but in that moment,
they're just And it's the most beautiful thing. I watched
a very democratic person tear up to a Republican because

(01:26:53):
at that moment he was just happy he was getting
to tell his story to a sitting member of Congress
who had just that day chair to hearing on umbos,
which are the only topic I know of that are
typically bipartisans completely.

Speaker 5 (01:27:08):
Oh and and again they're they're cross national borders.

Speaker 19 (01:27:12):
You know, we're not talking about something that's and a
lot of people have that misperception. I think, you know,
we're just so much more open about it. And to
go back to the earlier point about this this period
of transition by design, well, what we're seeing from other
nations now is an indicator of transition by design that

(01:27:33):
our allies are beginning to have some little conversations.

Speaker 5 (01:27:37):
Yes, adverse to that in the u K.

Speaker 19 (01:27:40):
Where they had they took me, but I think it
was Brazil.

Speaker 9 (01:27:46):
Brazil is pretty forward, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:27:48):
You know, pretty big, you know, hearing on it.

Speaker 19 (01:27:53):
But you know, even the statements like well more office,
not in the office. And again from a political standpoint,
those are very yes, because so long as they do
not say it or indicated when they are ahead of.

Speaker 5 (01:28:12):
State, then it is not a finishing right. And that's why, man,
we'll talk about it. You haven't talked about and everybody
in that circle.

Speaker 19 (01:28:24):
Trips that again just because you know, I agree, it's
it's setting the stage or something.

Speaker 5 (01:28:32):
You know where they're you know, going to make it.

Speaker 19 (01:28:37):
More revolves, make a more your right statement, be more transparent.

Speaker 5 (01:28:42):
And you know, I guess as before twenty.

Speaker 19 (01:28:46):
Twenty seven is about any being live or anything else.
It's seventy five years from nineteen fifty two.

Speaker 9 (01:28:54):
The UFOs flyover DC.

Speaker 19 (01:28:56):
See a lot of that automatically, that's classified. It's an
easy political win, and that more than anything is going
to determine when happens.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
It's a political win, right.

Speaker 9 (01:29:13):
Actually, you know, it's funny.

Speaker 18 (01:29:14):
So the three I at lists, I was, I I
have a a friend who is a former NASA chief
of uh he was chief of Aerospace Medicine and a
chief flight surgeon for the for the Air Force. And
he was telling me, I'm not sure if AV got
through this during his I'm sure he did. I just
didn't get to see it all, but uh he So

(01:29:35):
the NASA doctor Rogers was telling me that first off,
there's a bunch of nickel, but.

Speaker 9 (01:29:42):
There's no iron, which we don't usually see.

Speaker 18 (01:29:45):
Is very very odd like it takes a manufacturing process
to separate. You always see nickel and iron together unless
it's been manufactured to some degree and you take it
out of it because I and is corrosive, it's heavy,
it's not good for space, right, for spacecraft. So the

(01:30:05):
fact that we're only seeing nickel on this Atlas thing,
the shape of it, the trajectory of it, then the
carbon ratio is upside down, all these oddities. I mean,
could this be what we've been quote unquote waiting for.
I don't know, but there's definitely a lot of oddities
to it. And uh, he brought the wow signal. That's

(01:30:26):
what caught my attention.

Speaker 19 (01:30:31):
Because it was the distance and the direction that the
wow signal came from is the same essentially as my understanding.

Speaker 6 (01:30:38):
Right.

Speaker 18 (01:30:39):
But then Beatrice, that other doctor, she had correlated something
with the DC flyover as well with the transience. So
the fact that we're seeing all these similarities and the
stories now start to come together, or the flyover and

(01:31:00):
the transient objects, why why are we seeing these why
these parallels these similarities again brings me back to this
idea that the government has known something and has been
getting it ready and kind of wait until the last
minute to start unraveling or letting the mystery kind of
slowly get out there.

Speaker 9 (01:31:19):
Could I be way off? Probably?

Speaker 5 (01:31:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:31:22):
But then you know, in anything, listen, we do it,
you know, we do it in families and relationships too, right,
you know, when there's something coming, it's like, okay, I
get a all right, I'm gonna tell my mom and
dad first, or I'm gonna tell my uncle first and
engage it there, and then I'm gonna go over to
my second cousin exactly who's a little different, and I'm
gonna road test it there.

Speaker 18 (01:31:44):
Right right, So we're seeing and you could even argue,
you could argue that the pandemic, as much as I
don't want to politicize anything, it could have been a
test run for can we stop the world dead in
its track?

Speaker 9 (01:31:58):
Can we pause everybody for a couple The answer is yes.

Speaker 19 (01:32:02):
The interesting thing about that, you know when that happened,
and I found like a lot of the responses fascinating
because if your recall, they were kind.

Speaker 5 (01:32:10):
Of scrambling to make plans, yes, for the couple of
years prior to that.

Speaker 19 (01:32:16):
When I retired with twenty seventeen, so like twenty fourteen,
twenty fourteen, when I was I was working actually with
the guy who was a I can't say it was obvious.
He was like a government.

Speaker 17 (01:32:30):
Advisor, right, And in New York State, that's all we
were doing were plans working with FEMA and under some
of the FEMA structures to create points of distribution for medicine.

Speaker 19 (01:32:50):
So we were signing contracts with universities, with Walmart from
the parking lots, and then all these plans twenty fourteen,
you know, we were putting them together at major This
is how you're going to distribute medication.

Speaker 5 (01:33:07):
Right, And then I'm saying why are we now, Like
I know it exists, I know you know.

Speaker 9 (01:33:15):
I know it's out there right right, So.

Speaker 19 (01:33:19):
Yeah, you know the idea that again they saw an opportunity,
right let the crisis.

Speaker 9 (01:33:26):
Crazes go to ways.

Speaker 18 (01:33:27):
Yeah, and she, you know, the girl who asked the question.
That's the first thing that came to my mind when
they shut the government down. Where ATLAS was at the
time almost eclipsing itself with us via the Sun, and
now NASA can't use its funds if you will, that's
really odd timing. So for you know, when when doctor

(01:33:50):
lobes and said he doesn't think there's a correlation, I'm like,
either the timing is impeccable because you know what else
was in this was the the Disclosure Act was in
that bill that got put down. So I think it
could it be something that is a.

Speaker 9 (01:34:09):
Lot bigger behind the scenes than they want to tell us.
I think the answer is probably yes. I think is
this maybe just a rock? Probably right? But what is
the motive?

Speaker 5 (01:34:21):
What the who?

Speaker 9 (01:34:23):
The why?

Speaker 18 (01:34:24):
That stuff really doesn't it doesn't really matter to me anymore.

Speaker 9 (01:34:29):
It's the why, Why are they? Why are they here?
Why do they show themselves to certain people?

Speaker 18 (01:34:34):
A rock that's flying it through interstellar space at a
very slow rate of speed, that.

Speaker 9 (01:34:39):
Has a little bit of offness.

Speaker 18 (01:34:42):
About its trajectory and composition, that doesn't really excite me.
What excites me is the stories of like Betty and
Barney Hill, stuff that can be here and be gone
in an instant, The stuff that we know there are
too many people saying exist. So is this just a
left hand and like look at the left hand?

Speaker 9 (01:35:01):
So we can well, And this.

Speaker 19 (01:35:03):
Comes to that I often ask about because to me,
you can't at bit it always okay. We cannot have
a organized lactic federation who has established edicts over millennia.

Speaker 5 (01:35:20):
That's say, we will not interspere with you, perfect.

Speaker 19 (01:35:25):
Right, So we can't have this lactic federation sitting there
doing that. We can't have graft that are living organisms
in and of themselves and transform themselves through a transidia
structure from plasma.

Speaker 5 (01:35:43):
To a solid to a submersible to a person and.

Speaker 19 (01:35:52):
You know, and and and a transcend you know, internal.

Speaker 5 (01:35:57):
This and that and then you see the huge different Rocky.
It takes threty billion.

Speaker 18 (01:36:03):
Years to get here, to get here, right, So we can't.

Speaker 19 (01:36:07):
Have you, you know, we can't have then the galactic
Federation and to come down and can telephon. I think
we told you to put your dog away, but then
play intergalactic charades the rest of the time.

Speaker 5 (01:36:24):
We're not actually giving you a message.

Speaker 9 (01:36:27):
I think I know what you would saying with that dog.

Speaker 19 (01:36:33):
You can't have I can, you know, go into your
mind and things, but I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:36:41):
Will kind of telligent to.

Speaker 19 (01:36:45):
One another.

Speaker 5 (01:36:48):
And and you know.

Speaker 19 (01:36:49):
My fin man as I go on, is you know
the idea again the galactic federation.

Speaker 5 (01:36:58):
And we can ask back and go to a call
conference on the inside of the moon and body.

Speaker 19 (01:37:07):
And we considered a collference with all these inlantic light
and spiritual beings.

Speaker 5 (01:37:14):
But we don't know ship.

Speaker 23 (01:37:18):
We don't have any answers, nothing, anything we don't have,
and we have one another.

Speaker 5 (01:37:25):
Be nice to one another. Those nukes long and prosper,
you know. And and that's why I see the more
I hear about that. You know.

Speaker 19 (01:37:36):
Oh, I went to this meeting on the inside of
the moon, and you know, they told me put my
dog away, and then a few hours I'm fucking disappointed
in the h n Hi. Yeah, bother coming. You are chaotic?

Speaker 24 (01:37:53):
You you know.

Speaker 6 (01:37:56):
I've worked with a few independent investigators and they're consistent
with with therphologists that say non human intelligence has been
trying to communicate him and raised for.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
Quite some.

Speaker 6 (01:38:17):
None the other other people will be just of happiness,
enjoy the.

Speaker 5 (01:38:28):
Women with babies. So followers hopping around, right, it wouldn't
really flatter message.

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
Do you know?

Speaker 18 (01:38:40):
What I can say, what I can say with the
like with affirmation, is that from mine not to Malmstrom,
to Vandenberg, to Ellsworth, to Warring Air Force Base, all
the way over to you modern day Ukraine former Soviet Union,

(01:39:02):
the same craft have been seen or gash ifs, orange
colored orbs have been seen coming over into restricted nuclear
facilities and tampering with the the weapons technology. Whatever you

(01:39:22):
want to say, I am seeing. I see a common
thread from all these all these nuclear facilities.

Speaker 19 (01:39:31):
And those are the things I think are important, right,
you know that those people are.

Speaker 5 (01:39:37):
That's what we're talking about.

Speaker 19 (01:39:38):
You know these we debate jellyfish blah blah blah blah blah. Right,
for a purpose, So whether why are we seeing more orbs?
Why do we you know why?

Speaker 5 (01:39:49):
Why? Because that thing.

Speaker 19 (01:39:51):
Seems to be fit for a purpose. What that purpose
is we don't know. We don't understand.

Speaker 5 (01:39:57):
And you know all that I those are the know
all the other stuff.

Speaker 18 (01:40:03):
It seems like it's always on the edge of what
human capability is. Right, So that's why in the eighteen
hundred they're seeing airships, right, it almost seems like it's
it's trying to get us to push ourselves to the
next limit, into the next limit. And what if that's
always to get us to a place where we create
AI and AI then becomes the beacon of the universe
and says, hey, they've reached.

Speaker 9 (01:40:25):
A certain intelligence. You can come here now.

Speaker 19 (01:40:27):
Well, And so that's when I go back to my
father in Law's work, right, because that's exactly he talks
about tripartite nature of consciousness and human development, and that
we are on this journey and every thousand years we
get our little cosmic DNA download. We just had it

(01:40:48):
in twenty twenty four was the majority of it. That
was the right, twenty twenty four was the last tipping
point and where we've entered this new phase of our
intellectual and spiritual and logical development, you.

Speaker 5 (01:41:08):
Know, and and and it all fits them. All that
being said, when I.

Speaker 25 (01:41:13):
Think I talked earlier about, you know, is his uh
the idea that in the craft, the designs he talks
about essentially piloting it, and that requires a human interface,
a consciousness interface, and that's consciousness is able to tap
into this information energy field and as well as the

(01:41:35):
gravitational magni magnetic fields of the craft.

Speaker 19 (01:41:40):
We're so twenty six thousand years away from that, even
even though we've gone our recent download. So there's a
you know, a little bit of patience and you know,
I guess you know, maybe about ten minutes.

Speaker 9 (01:41:52):
Here, well, that's that's what I mean.

Speaker 19 (01:41:54):
Bring it back into the UAP community, right, right, So
we are on.

Speaker 5 (01:41:59):
A journe too. It's not just about the government.

Speaker 9 (01:42:02):
Stuff, right.

Speaker 18 (01:42:03):
We have to be very clear knowing that this is
a general it's almost like a generational ship like the
like if we have to understand that we might not
get disclosure, but our kids might, and.

Speaker 9 (01:42:18):
We have to keep that mentality, if.

Speaker 18 (01:42:20):
You know, even if we don't get it, we need
to keep pushing because eventually, you know, our kids, our kids, kids,
whoever is, they're going to come into contact with someone
and they need to be ready for when that time comes.

Speaker 9 (01:42:32):
Right, So that's it. Could that be why that you know,
UFOs don't just land on the White House lawn.

Speaker 18 (01:42:37):
They instead influence individual people at a.

Speaker 9 (01:42:42):
At a smaller scale.

Speaker 18 (01:42:44):
They that's why a lot of people say they saw
UFO and it was almost like it was meant for them.
I think it was meant to spark them to go
into this direction. It was meant for them. It was
a sighting. Some people dead sightings where four people are
there and three people don't see anything, one person does.

Speaker 9 (01:43:02):
Why does that happen? So I think there's a.

Speaker 18 (01:43:05):
Lot of questions to what consciousness is. The same psychologists
that will tell you that you know, alien abduction isn't real.
Can't tell me what consciousness is. So I'm like you
have you can't say one or the other. Right, If
you can't tell me what consciousness is, who are you

(01:43:25):
to determine what is?

Speaker 5 (01:43:27):
What?

Speaker 18 (01:43:28):
Ken can't happen because the way I grew up, the
world is a lot more gray than black and white, exactly.

Speaker 19 (01:43:34):
And that's where I think to you know, to your
earlier point when it comes to the community and it
comes to the work, everybody's trying to do right, you're
you do what you do to get the message out,
to get people's voices heard. You know, you were one
of the first interviews that at times, you know, and

(01:43:57):
to be appreciating the champion of people to share the stories.
And in the same way, you know, we're part of this.
You know, we've we've jumped both feet into this right
and we just.

Speaker 5 (01:44:12):
Want to be helpful.

Speaker 9 (01:44:13):
It's amazing, right, we just want to listen.

Speaker 5 (01:44:17):
I think what we've got good. I work on it
all day, every day.

Speaker 9 (01:44:21):
Literally, my sister.

Speaker 5 (01:44:24):
Natalians in the band there wad down, she walked, she
walked in. That's the daughter of the scientists who papers
are in that book. We're there, She's she's a Soviet experiment.

Speaker 18 (01:44:39):
Well, you guys came to for AVI for the most part,
you said, he influenced you.

Speaker 9 (01:44:49):
How have you ever seen anything.

Speaker 5 (01:44:53):
Personally?

Speaker 8 (01:44:54):
I mean ten years ago, actually more in the line
of years ago, I had a very encounter with an
object where, yeah, I was I was going to go
into the city from living in my scrainage and I
was living with my friend Ashanti for a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:45:14):
She was staying at my house, and this was like a.

Speaker 8 (01:45:16):
Ride and we always took and there were two walls
of light in the sky, like right on the whole
horizon line that were very very bright and very close
to each other, and as it just didn't look familiar
to me, and I remember saying like, oh, well, like
what do you see that?

Speaker 5 (01:45:33):
Like look at that? And she was like, yeah, what
is that?

Speaker 8 (01:45:36):
And she said to me, I think it's a sign.
And when she said that, the right light blinked blue
and then went back to white. So it was like
two white lights next to each other, and we felt
we willn't.

Speaker 9 (01:45:48):
Kind of whoa, like that's not usual down.

Speaker 8 (01:45:52):
And like turning into the gas station and I like,
if I head up the window, like looking for this
light again and it's now bonding from the section of
the sky where it was. And then we looked up
and they were like maybe eight or so lights and
like this scattered on the bottom of this craft and

(01:46:13):
like literally came to us and hovered above the gas
station only a few miles both the trees and we
both saw it, and we were like we yelled like, oh,
look up, look up, and there was a guy like
pumped and gas.

Speaker 5 (01:46:25):
Behind like he's underneath awning.

Speaker 10 (01:46:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:46:28):
When we screamed like, oh, look.

Speaker 8 (01:46:29):
Up, place this thing just it left and it made
no sound whatsoever.

Speaker 18 (01:46:35):
To my point, it seems almost targeted, right. It's you
and her maybe were the only that was who it
was for.

Speaker 5 (01:46:44):
People kind of like each other, like.

Speaker 19 (01:46:48):
We really see that.

Speaker 5 (01:46:49):
Do you still feel the way you felt, like, well,
it's pretty common.

Speaker 9 (01:46:54):
Yeah, we're like that.

Speaker 8 (01:46:56):
It doesn't. It's like when you find something unusual, as guy, it's.

Speaker 18 (01:47:00):
Like yeah, and a lot of people be like, oh,
why don't you take a picture, why don't you take
a video? These things have a way of like just
stopping you dead in your tracks. I think I was
saying to him earlier, right, like completely melts away your
reaction time and you just want to like be in
the moment. And for me, it's like what does that mean?

(01:47:22):
Does the who really matter?

Speaker 9 (01:47:24):
At that point? It's really the why, the what why?

Speaker 8 (01:47:28):
For me at least, you know, because.

Speaker 18 (01:47:37):
Right, maybe the guy pumping gas wasn't ready for that, right,
Maybe he was. Maybe he was in a place of
complete and utter like you know who. You know, he
could have been a religious fundamentalist.

Speaker 9 (01:47:48):
You don't like so many things.

Speaker 5 (01:47:50):
Maybe he was.

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
Right, he was at the.

Speaker 5 (01:47:54):
Wrong place and he knew it was going to happen.

Speaker 26 (01:47:57):
All yeah, yeah, So I've always thought about going.

Speaker 9 (01:48:12):
To just take a night and like back to the
scene of the crime.

Speaker 27 (01:48:16):
If you're yeah, I've done it because I I had
my sighting right in front of my my parents' house, right,
And the only reason I had that sighting was my
mom asked me to stay home from school that day
and I was.

Speaker 9 (01:48:29):
Waiting for the kids.

Speaker 18 (01:48:31):
All the conditions that had to be checked for me
to see what I saw it just.

Speaker 9 (01:48:37):
And then I had another experience years later on her
death bed. So she was a common denominator in both
of my experiences. So again it asked.

Speaker 18 (01:48:47):
It just brings me back to the the question of
maybe not, you know, maybe showing up Independence day style
is not going to be a good thing, right, but
targeting certain people and then just over time and because
time might not be anything to them, they have all

(01:49:07):
the time in the world compared to our linear way
of thinking about time.

Speaker 9 (01:49:11):
So they have the right, they have the resource to.

Speaker 18 (01:49:18):
Make a long term investment in us, rather than scaring
everybody and and interjecting in a way that's clearly going
to change humanity. Right. So I think they were like,
all right, down to the individual, it is, right.

Speaker 9 (01:49:32):
So that's my thought.

Speaker 5 (01:49:34):
Last three minutes. So I'm gonna say for and it
looks like Tucker is about ready Tucker.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
This this guy could put Tucker house and down. Like
he's huge.

Speaker 6 (01:49:52):
He's not around them, not he's he's coming now.

Speaker 9 (01:49:59):
I appreciate you is letting me be here.

Speaker 22 (01:50:01):
We're thankful for having you, and you're going to be
here for ye Yeah, so.

Speaker 19 (01:50:11):
You pop myself back in there, you know. Yeah, And
I'll just say you know again, do you tee? You
know you've been You've become a great friend to Nat
and I and and uh, you know, we certainly appreciate
what you do to help us. You know, spread the word,
and I think you get.

Speaker 9 (01:50:26):
Where we're coming from that it is important.

Speaker 19 (01:50:28):
You know, we just we just want to help. As
soon as that we were like this can this can
move the needle, Let's move it.

Speaker 9 (01:50:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:50:36):
And as soon as I heard about what you had,
I might not have. I might not technically like and
I mean this technically I might not technically understand what's
on every page, but I know a lot about the
history of the UFO war.

Speaker 4 (01:50:53):
I mean, you're your disclosure for us, which is what's
what's needed. Because as as Judas said, you know the still,
I don't know if i'd say still anyways, that's what
sane and.

Speaker 18 (01:51:09):
I've been fortunate enough to influence members of Congress. But
there is something I will say. One of the last
things I will say is there seems to be there
is a gatekeeper that I won't name any of the names,
but there is a certain group of people that we
can't get past. It seems they're the only people who
can recommend people to testify, and they're the only ones

(01:51:31):
who get because I think Bob Dalice is more, Bob Dallas,
Dave Sandelli, uh, Bob.

Speaker 9 (01:51:37):
Jacobs, Mario Woods, all these guys are so much more. Uh.

Speaker 18 (01:51:45):
Their their records speak for themselves, and they have been
able to testify in an open hearing.

Speaker 5 (01:51:53):
And that's why I said, I think I think those guys.

Speaker 9 (01:51:56):
The resort to backdoors.

Speaker 19 (01:51:57):
Yeah, they definitely need to test on I think the
hesitance is that I'll leave it at this note and
then we can move on to I think the hesitancy
with having officers who controlled nuclear weapons testify to a
vulnerability in nuclear weapons means the ultimate next step is
we have to say, well, how can we prevent this?

Speaker 5 (01:52:20):
And then they've got to Then the d O D.

Speaker 19 (01:52:22):
Or the the department will have to come in and
explain the countermeasures that they took to prevent these types
of things from happening, though they won't acknowledge these types
of things happen. That's why you can't commissioned officers from
new facilities.

Speaker 18 (01:52:39):
And I remember the first time I heard Bob's story,
my stomach just like dropped. And anyone with a vested
interest of national security, if you can listen to those
guys and not have your your stomach churning, you.

Speaker 9 (01:52:58):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:53:00):
J I'm gonna grab another my time for.

Speaker 19 (01:53:02):
Up there again and Mary

Speaker 5 (01:53:06):
To Boston, Mary, We're alive at Coral Street Stay

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