EXETER UFO FESTIVAL-FEAT. STEVEN BASSETT- GENE & NAT STICCO| UFO truth Embargo & Reverse Engineering UFOs

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everyone, I just wanted to let you know that
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us a review. Good evening, Exeter. It's an honor to
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that truth, no matter how deeply buried, always finds its
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right here at the Exeter UFO Festival. You are not
just the audience. You're part of the conversation, part of
the pursuit, part of the legacy of disclosure. Now to
start us off, I couldn't imagine a more fitting first guest.
He's been on the front lines of the political battle

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for truth, a man who's walked the halls of Washington
pushing tirelessly for congressional hearings and government accountability on the
UFO UAP issue. He's a researcher, an activist, and one
of the most persistent voices calling for open disclosure.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Please join me.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
In welcoming the first guest of my panel, mister Steve Bassa.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
You know you've been working when I was at both hearings.
You were at both hearings.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
You've been working so diligently on the back end, and
I don't think people get to really understand and really
realize what you've done behind the scenes. Because if it
wasn't for Steve, Grush wouldn't be there. If it wasn't
for Steve and guys like him, no one would be
testifying in front of Congress. Because this subject has been ridiculed, stigmatized,

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and just made to look stupid for so long.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
But my generation is coming up.

Speaker 5 (02:56):
In a world that you know, we see the cosmos
as teaming with life, and that is the obvious answer.
So the tides are changing, the burden of proof has
shifted coming from.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
The believer to the non believer. And you've spent decades
pushing for government transparency on your FOT.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
So where do we stand today in that fight for
disclosure compared to maybe when you first began, Well, first.

Speaker 6 (03:20):
One they a qualifier.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
If it wasn't for a lot of people. Believe me,
I'm just one of a very.

Speaker 7 (03:28):
Large room of people that have been working in countless
ways for eighty years to get us to this point.

Speaker 6 (03:35):
Some that's pretty this one.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
We had to have the researchers, We.

Speaker 7 (03:41):
Had to have witnesses willing to become afforward.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
We had to do our own journalism right, our own ours.
We had to create the conferences. All of this total
package is was he helped get us to the point
where in let's.

Speaker 8 (03:57):
See, when we wasn't In uh to two twenty twenty three,
we had the first real hearings since nineteen sixty eight.
In the last seven years, more coverage of this issue
has taken place, way more coverage of this issue.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
In US media and any previous time. It's overwhelming because I.

Speaker 6 (04:18):
Archive at all.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
I mean I archive all the professional.

Speaker 7 (04:20):
Media on my website, the pre media Archive, and if
you were to read all seven thousand of the last
articles that are listed there.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
You will find one in two hundred.

Speaker 7 (04:32):
Is a skeptical take, right, because I include those if
it's a professional journalism, So what right?

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Meanwhile, the term UFO.

Speaker 7 (04:42):
Which we've spent years to replace with UAP because you
can't talk to journalists and members of Congress and start
mentioning UFO in one with that, accept the course that
it's been.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Deliberately stigmatized by the viv.

Speaker 7 (04:55):
The managers of the Chuch of Barco I called it
the intellectual ghetto nation.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
If you follow me where they build walls around it.
But they're not brick, thank god.

Speaker 6 (05:05):
But they're they're ridicule.

Speaker 7 (05:06):
Walls are rigular, right, and so you're in there, and
once you're behind those walls are ridical, everybody thinks shot
at you.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
So UFO had to be changed and other language.

Speaker 6 (05:16):
Had to be changed, which we did.

Speaker 7 (05:17):
Okay, what's happened struck me is that in the last well.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Maybe starting about two thousand.

Speaker 7 (05:26):
And uh, I'm kidding, it started to shift and now
UNFO is back. It's back. And so remember Congress will say,
ufo the journalist writing an article ufo, and I'm going, wow, okay.
And so if I'm if I'm working, I'm a manager,
which was a Barbers sitting over the DA or Lockheed

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Barner to help and I'm.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Watching this and I'm going, U back, what are we
going to do?

Speaker 9 (05:55):
Where to put it another way, I think that everybody
can nets to.

Speaker 7 (06:00):
This issue, within our government and within the private sector.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Who I do not They're not evil and I'm not
I'm not I'm not trying to crochete on them. They
were doing what they were doing. It was all national
security based.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Every one of those people are looking out and seeing
this is almost over and it's going to come out
and we're going to have answer a lot of questions
about what.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
We did and how it went and so forth.

Speaker 7 (06:30):
And that's from government all the way in the private sector,
and they were they would.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Rather not have to do that, but hey, life is
that way. Sometimes you're going to have to deal with
things like that.

Speaker 7 (06:42):
And they're kind of getting themselves prepared, but in the
meantime they're buying.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
A little time. But I've always said this, but never
more than now. Disclosure capital g a confirmation from the
HEAs estates of nasion that yet.

Speaker 7 (06:57):
A long here, so forth and social then you've got
to learn war is inevitable.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
It has always been inevitable. Do you think that it
is inevitable, Steve?

Speaker 5 (07:11):
I mean, even the word alien, if you will, has
been changed in public, you know, the public sector and
the public legislation to non human intelligence. So they're they're
creating new words and new phrases for old ideas to
kind of shoehorn these things into legislation. And we have
worked with Eric Burleson, the congressman who has now reintroduced

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as a single as a single pack interview, the disclosure
at Eric Berlson just reintroduced it.

Speaker 7 (07:40):
Well, Eric Berlson, who is my new favorite congressman.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
By the way, I briefed Nancy Mace with him with
Robert Sallas. He said that about her then. So Steve's
very very vocal about his changing opinion.

Speaker 7 (07:58):
But Nancy had a stepfa and Luna took stepped in.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
I can't think about that one of.

Speaker 9 (08:05):
The commerce people that was out there saying again she
was saying matter of fact things, we're gonna get this
years ago a commresce person that's that that I don't
have a heart of that, right, So she had and.

Speaker 7 (08:17):
Then she gave it to Luna Luna and then came
to the head of the task Force on Secrets all right,
which was what they did was is they created an
actual task force that included unpes. And so now the
hearings are before the task force. This is out there
to progress in Congress, right.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
And he gets its own task force. They're holding the
hearing and once you give it that leve of anybody
that knows the government knows is is not gonna go
in terms of the secrets.

Speaker 6 (08:43):
Right, it's gonna go.

Speaker 7 (08:45):
And so but she got overwhelmed because there's so many secrets, right,
so many files, man, he did, and you know some
of those files are cann being very interesting. And so
she she offloaded the UAP portfolio to Burlison who took
it up with Gusta.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Okay, but I need another little clarification. Language is very important.
Here's a quick there's a quick tutorial. Aliena we don't
want to use it. Obviously the film industry has been
in terms of the legislation and politics.

Speaker 6 (09:18):
And so forth.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
I don't want to use it. That is something else.

Speaker 7 (09:21):
Okay, it has a lot of negative consequences, and it's
certainly if you've seen Yeah, it's definitely.

Speaker 10 (09:28):
A little negative.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
But whatever, No extraterrestrial prefer Now.

Speaker 7 (09:33):
Extraterrestrial still have a little bit icy for some because
they're not sure if they're from another planet, and it's
very hard to pronounce a.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Lot of syllables, and so it can be a problem
with extra trustrials.

Speaker 7 (09:45):
All right, But where we kind of settled, and again
this is how language is important to getting politics and
policy done because you have to get people involved. And
I think the plant least are comfortable with. And if
they're not comfortable, what's that there's people some it is comfortable.
So where we are now technologically advanced non humans?

Speaker 11 (10:07):
Yeah, and I think, well, there's this idea that most
people most in here.

Speaker 5 (10:11):
Would probably agree to that you think disclosure will happen
when the President opens the doors of the White House,
comes out onto a pet school and says, my fellow Americans,
we are not alone.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
I don't think disclosure looks.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
Like that right now, because I don't think he has
to come he or she has to come out and
say we're not alone.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
That's the given. Then, So what does disclosure actually look like?

Speaker 10 (10:34):
Now?

Speaker 6 (10:35):
Did you go to my lecture yesterday?

Speaker 3 (10:37):
You were there for that?

Speaker 6 (10:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Okay, all right, I mean literally remind you it's very simple.
I can't language. One of the reasons that's what I do.
I speak to people and try to provide context.

Speaker 6 (10:53):
That helps.

Speaker 7 (10:54):
That's why I be more interviews on the subject than
anybody literally anybody, including standard.

Speaker 6 (10:59):
Freeing your work you won't do, that's all.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
And the podcast re Evolution, thank God for that.

Speaker 7 (11:05):
And so I'm up in the fifteen hundred and sixteen
hundred interview range. Okay, So one of the things that
I pound a way on is this language. So disclosure,
as I use it not most of the time, is
a proper now it is capital the disclosure I define it,
which means I can always I'm always right. Anybody has

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had a definition, fine, I created a definition. Okay, So
like sorry, in case closed disclosure is when a head
of spid it will start with on confirms we're not alone.
Formally as the head of SPIK. Now again, people say, well,
what does it matter?

Speaker 3 (11:41):
It matters, But we've had a couple of astronauts said,
we're not alone. Edgar Mitchell said it many times he
walked on the moon. Are we in a fully post
disclosure era where we're learning about this and learning or know?

Speaker 7 (11:55):
Because the head of c is the commander of the army, right,
we know that it's mandroom chief. He has total classification capability.
There's nothing that the head of state technically just can't
do it. Go get it, open this door, open that door.
Now something to me, say now, how you can't come in?
And then they involve that person off to a prison

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and so. And also it's the it's the It gives
it the gravitas and the importance that it.

Speaker 6 (12:22):
Needs to have.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
It opens the doors the way. I've finally found the
metaphor for this. I'm do the metaphors. I love it
is that disclosure capital deed.

Speaker 7 (12:33):
The moment, hopefully our president and not another head of
state Italian if another head of state bus is it's
not good.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Steps into the White House. It's not gonna do it
from a Venny's okay, it's gonna do the White.

Speaker 12 (12:46):
House, except because of a certain special time we're in
and other things that have developed.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
I have stated publically now that it could happen on
Joe Robin. So if the head of State goes on
Joe Rogan and announces that it's this any things doing
in the old Office, now, that says a lot about
where we are and Joe Loki. But that would be enough.
It's the master key.

Speaker 7 (13:08):
The moment those words come out of that president's mouth,
he is just given everybody the master key to a
thousand doors that have been locked for the last eighty
years about this, that and everything else, and you can't
even go deal with them because you can't open that door. Suddenly,
disclosure is the master key, and various people in the
politics and elsewhere journalism are going to say, Ah'm going

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to take that key.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
They're going to open that door in that door, and for.

Speaker 7 (13:33):
The rest of your lives you are going to be
dealing with the next stuff behind the next door.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
So that's disclosure Capital B. It can only be now.

Speaker 6 (13:44):
Small D.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Disclosure is the process of which it stuff's coming out.

Speaker 13 (13:48):
Richard Dolman writes a book that small D disclosure Right
a witness comes forward it says, hey, this is what
happened to be small disclosure, and so that's happening all
the time and it will continue.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
But the confusion there is mixing.

Speaker 7 (14:03):
I guess you could say research and process with politics
and in a sense events.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
I mean, I don't really have the name for that.
But it's one thing to find out something new and
write a book.

Speaker 7 (14:17):
It's another thing for the head of the most powerful
nation in the world to come out and tell you
we're not alone.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
That is what I've been trying to do. And it's okay,
it is confused. I gotta pick forward confirmation, okay, and with.

Speaker 6 (14:31):
A capital C.

Speaker 7 (14:32):
But I said, you know that's got some religious connotations.
They're going to confuse that with the Catholic.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Confirmation or whatever. No, And so I said, no, we're
going to go with that and just stick to something
we know.

Speaker 7 (14:41):
When I say disclosure is inevitable, I'm not saying it's
inevitable that we'll be writing in an anagrammic ship in
a couple of years. I'm saying it is inevitable that
a head of state is going to come out and
say this, and we're going to enter that world.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
And it's either going to be our president or it's
going to be another president.

Speaker 7 (15:00):
And there's about eight or nine on that list, including
all the nuclear nations, which includes China and Russia.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
In the UK, Israel, Okay, so forth, and Pakistan. One
of those letters state comes out and says it, that's it.
And while we may hold back, maybe our presence saying no, no, no,
no no, it explodes, and that head of state, whether
it's Pakistan or Chiji ping Putin, has just.

Speaker 7 (15:29):
Triggered one of the most profound events, if not the
most profound event in human history.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Will be thought of as a great truth teller. We'll
get a Nobel.

Speaker 7 (15:37):
Product and go down in history in a way that
even Giga's Khan might admire.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
And that's hanging out there. Who is going to take
that brass ring?

Speaker 7 (15:47):
I would prefer it was the president of the United States,
the one that's in the White House.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Now, it's a good point that another morning.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
Now, somewheld argue the government is preparing us slowly through
controlled disclosure.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Do you believe there is a drift beat.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
Strategy and that they are trying to get the world
ready for that day, or do you think that it's
being forced.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Upon them from It's more complicated than that.

Speaker 7 (16:21):
I think the extraterrestrial activities, particularly the last.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Eighty years, it is clearly if it has decision, they're
constantly being seen.

Speaker 7 (16:32):
Right if you don't want to have the people in
the world, now you're here, cloak, right, of course.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
They can cloak. And they've been seen all the time.
They start to pick you know, not just a few times,
but many times because the research is not fully out there.

Speaker 7 (16:47):
But in westcal and Ruak they laying next to school yards,
the actual physical craft and.

Speaker 14 (16:53):
Get out and the school kids come running over course
they are right, and then there's a couple of you know.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
A stress school kids and important images in their heads
and those images and this gets one of the subject.
I'm going to go there because it for our lecture.

Speaker 6 (17:08):
I've had my time.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
The images are like now things are gonna go real,
bad kids, and then those kids take that with them
through the rest of their life. Some suffered from it,
others was interested, but.

Speaker 7 (17:21):
The message got out less Hall was study. The Rulways
got a documentary. So if you don't want people to
know about you, you don't land next to school yards. Also,
they've taken thousands of people as part of the contact
thief phenomena.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
You know, I don't talk about it in a political sense.
I don't talk about it to Congress. Its God has
to stay over here on the side table. We can't
go in the door with that. You don't want to
go to the New York Times and interviews. Hey, let's
talk about contact ees. Is it fair?

Speaker 15 (17:51):
Nough?

Speaker 6 (17:51):
It's not.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
They should have been heard a long time ago. But
let's face it, we've got to do with what works.
But the number of contact these in the millions, you
may or may not know.

Speaker 7 (18:03):
There's been half a million at least written reports sent
to researchers who, because they couldn't send it anywhere, they
at least wanted the researcher to know Hopkins and.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Whitney, Streeber and others. This is what happened to me.
I just want you to know half a million of them.
And so because those who read those things know a
great deal about what's going on with this issue.

Speaker 12 (18:28):
And so guess what, around nine, late nineteen eighties, all
of a sudden, contact fee started remembering apparently before that
they couldn't.

Speaker 16 (18:38):
And then also the meetings are just coming out, and
then they started going hey.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Wow, and then they go to the therapist and they're
doing regressions and more memories are coming out. If you're
at ET and you really don't want us to act
on this and do over here, you don't let those
memories come out. You can plant it to block them forever.
So the ETS are helping.

Speaker 7 (18:59):
But let me tell you, in terms of disclosure, the
American people and the world's people are the ones that
deserve the most credit. The people have stepped into this
around the world. I've spoken and I don't know twenty
five countries we know what's happening. But in America that
dominated because we have been the dominant interaction because of
the ETS, because we're the person wants to get the

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atomic bomb.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
And we actually drop the damn things. And we are
the technological leader in the world, so little less now
and so we couldn't have to focus.

Speaker 7 (19:27):
But let me tell you, give them millions of people
that it helped get us here where we are is large.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
So I give y'all the most credit, all right, And
so control disclosure. Let me clear that up's a language issue.
Control disclosure a little bit awkward. But in the disclosure
pack they.

Speaker 7 (19:47):
Refer to the control disclosure, and so immediately people jumped up, Yeah,
I knew it.

Speaker 6 (19:52):
I knew it. You're controlling the whole thing.

Speaker 7 (19:54):
No, the reason they use the word control disclosure because
the process that the Act is describing, in which everything
comes forward is reviewed, advanced to the archives, it is
going to be in a controlled process. They're really talking
about controlled post disclosure disclosure, meaning.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Look, we're gonna do this, but we're going to do
it responsibly.

Speaker 7 (20:15):
We're just not going to haul a bunch of saucers
out on the White House law and let's you come
and look at them.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
We're not going to be throwing the tech up on
the net. We're going to do it in a controlled way.

Speaker 7 (20:23):
And so that, again there's an example of language creating
issues in my job is the right.

Speaker 5 (20:30):
So let's say, okay, let's say tomorrow Donald Trump steps
up and announces we are not alone the way.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
You described a true capital D disclosure.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
I mean, what happens next in politics, what happens in religion, science, culture?

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Is what does our daily lives changeful?

Speaker 7 (20:53):
Well, he will have launched from that moment the greatest
streaming series of all. It's going to win a thousand images. Okay,
it's gonna have a thousand.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Episodes, and you're gonna be able to watch them all
even if you don't want to. This is gonna be everywhere.
He will have triggered the most extraordinary period probably in human.

Speaker 7 (21:14):
History, even greater than when three thousand years ago they're
hanging out in Egypt helping the pyramids be built.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
But they were just gods back then, and what did
people know the implications of it. It was kind of cool.

Speaker 7 (21:26):
It made Ancient Aliens one of the greatest shows of
all time. But no, no, no, no no, we're spacefaring
advanced civilization. Now we've already caught it the Moon. We
want to go to Mars apparently part.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Of Elon, and so disclosure at this time, Oh no,
totally different.

Speaker 17 (21:40):
In other words, I could be wrong, but before open contact,
open contact not to help us build the pyramids, but
to discuss how we're going to conduct our affairs so
that we can be part of possibly.

Speaker 7 (21:53):
That galactic federation we'd never only call it. That is
where this is going, because their advanced space bearing civilization.
We're just about to be advancing in spacefaring civilization.

Speaker 6 (22:05):
We're kind of violent.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
We like the new people, so it's time to kind
of get together, see what's going on, and say, look,
he wants you to come out with us, but you've
got to clean up your act. That's kind of where
things are going here. And so when those words come out,
and Danny Sheen, because of all those Harvard degrees, says
it better than I do.

Speaker 7 (22:25):
But he gets really elaborate stuff. But Danny Sheen is
the new world experpert right now in terms of how
things are going to go.

Speaker 6 (22:32):
Keep it simple, all.

Speaker 18 (22:34):
Right, at that moment, we are now on an entire
new trajectory. If I was fifteen years old, oh god,
it would be fantastic. If you're in here and you're fifteen.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Years old, let me tell you, you're gonna have a
great time. So it's a trajectory. It is going to
take us probably into a.

Speaker 7 (22:54):
True space bearing civilization and hopefully be able to check
any certain behaviors so that we can get there in
one piece.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
I don't know how it's gonna play.

Speaker 7 (23:04):
Out, but if when you think about it, you've got
these ideas of interacting, hopefully in open contact with ets,
you're talking about the possibility of new technologies revolutionary technologies
in this world as.

Speaker 6 (23:17):
You're going forward, and so the whole world is going
to be kind.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Of their brains are on fire. What can happen? Where
is it going?

Speaker 6 (23:26):
Wow? What's gonna go?

Speaker 7 (23:27):
And so and then because all of this now can
be shared to the internet, and everybody's got a the
seventies TV. Now, by the way, if you don't have
a big TV, you've got to get one. Now, get
down to Costco. They're all it's going to be on sale.
Get the biggest dam TV you can because you do
not want to watch this on a computer screen.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
You want to watch those play out on seventy four,
eight and eighty inches.

Speaker 7 (23:50):
You're going to watch the world transform literally in real time.
I cannot even describe how many things are going to
be happening and how many things is going to be engaged.
Because once that event takes place, it doesn't open a
couple of doors and then they open a couple of more.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
It basically offers the ability to open up a thousand doors.
It's going to change the entire world over a very
relatively short period of time. That is a relatively crude way.

Speaker 7 (24:21):
Of trying to say what's going to happen, and I
believe that the vast majority of it will be quite pleasant,
quite good, quite positive. It's going to be difficult to
demonize this thing. And again I say demons. Some religious
people see that, they will concerned it might be demons.
They're not, but I get bad language. It's going to

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be difficult, though, to really make it crass or make
it evil and what have you. Because the evidence, a
huge amount of evidence that we've established regarding an et presence,
what they're like, and they think, how they act, you
know a lot more than you may know.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
It's substantial, says it can't it's not being Targo Harvard.
It's not being covered up fully in the news. But
we know a great deal to thanks for the work
with a lot of people. And overall ets are pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (25:10):
Okay, not bad.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
You do a couple of things, an't that crazy about
but compared to human behavior, but we want to behave
then there aren't even in the ballpark. In other words,
we are the threat right now, not then.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
So that's kind of and I want that.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
I want that new era to begin within a couple
of months, if you don't mind. Mister President is going
a couple of months, because I'm not sure everybody in
the room knows where it's done.

Speaker 6 (25:38):
As much resare I'm sure they have.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
But during the days of George Bush Senior, they didn't
commission a private think tank that how putoff was parload.
And what they essentially asked this thinkin to do was
come up with a one through ten number. Is disclosure
of the non human intelligence going to be positive or negative?

Speaker 3 (26:03):
So zero would be you know, no impact, ten would
be destabilization.

Speaker 11 (26:09):
That think tank, you know, just twenty years ago, came
up with the suggestion that they do not disclose because
they would destabilize our religions, our our economy.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
And there's got to be opedient, how convenient, And that's
what Okay.

Speaker 7 (26:26):
There's they're they're they're they're they're doing a survey of
the people who have a substantial vested interest and not
do it and ask them what do you think?

Speaker 6 (26:33):
So they said, no, I get it.

Speaker 19 (26:35):
I get it.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
And that's the problem they're asking these you know, they're
bringing people are double dipping and it's a real problem
in the UFO community that I see is you know,
and I don't mean to passion on how it put
off specifically or guys like Eric Davis. But they know
so much yet, why aren't they being subpoena to Congress?

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Why aren't they being demanded Listen, tell us what you
know to get this going?

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Eric Davis was just in Congress. Why are we not talking.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
About the obvious memo that would confirm all of our beliefs?

Speaker 7 (27:09):
I mean, you want to be an activist podcaster, You
can't be an activist, You can't be both of those things.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
It just it really aggravates me. How I mean because
during the David Gresha.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
Review his his testimony, you guys might remember that the
Johnny depth Amber heard trial was going on. Can you
get which one got more coverage?

Speaker 6 (27:31):
That's pretty good?

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah, what a good distraction.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
It just seems like every time we get close to disclosure,
the left hand goes, oh, what would I got?

Speaker 7 (27:41):
Certain amount of that is orchestrated, most of it is
a circumstantial, beyond war here whatever.

Speaker 6 (27:47):
But I think what here is?

Speaker 3 (27:50):
What I would say that what you just said, I
get it. First of all, if if one, if you
can appreciate.

Speaker 20 (27:56):
How complicated and difficult this is. It's it's not like
trying to get some part of the government to confess
the fact that they know maybe massage s figures.

Speaker 6 (28:07):
In a report.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
This is a what a transcendent thing that's happening. I
went a lot that has been contained for eighty years,
not just a few years, because of incredibly significant aspects
of it. Because and this is one of the things
that I didn't get into.

Speaker 7 (28:26):
Every day, But it turns out there is a very
significant connection between the ET presence in the first place
and the.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Use of nuclear bombs by others, initially.

Speaker 7 (28:38):
Actually dropping them on human beings, where the only count
that's done that, and also the ET I think of
agenda in a sense, there's actually a connection there.

Speaker 6 (28:48):
This is big.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
And the other thing that makes it super big is
that the national security state that we're in.

Speaker 7 (28:56):
And the issues involved are not just you know, we
have our shoes, we have the odd war or over
border or something. No, unless you're older than seventy nine,
you have lived every second of your life under a
nuclear threat, under mutual assured destruction.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
You may not have known that when you were a kid,
but that's kind of it. Every moment of.

Speaker 7 (29:18):
Your life we have lived where at some point somebody
makes a mistake, got up the wrong side of the bed,
leaned against the wrong.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Switch or whatever, and launches a.

Speaker 7 (29:27):
Couple of nukes and it's like, oh see, so sorry
or delivered, and that's it.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
All of a sudden, they're flying. We've seen movies about this,
we know about it. It's in our dreams. We've adapted
to it and normalized it. But you know, however much
you've normalized it, those missiles fly, it's not going to
be well. I was expecting this. Yeah, let's have a
drink and finish this up. No, you've been living under that.

Speaker 7 (29:51):
Once you talk about something like this, which is going
to come out at the same time, we're still under
an endless nuclear threat.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
The idea that you have have to be careful and
compromise or you can't say this, or you can't say that.
It's not hard to deal with.

Speaker 7 (30:05):
So when I see these things happening, I don't get
upset with the people that are involved.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
I'm not upset because they didn't go further, they did
this or did that. I look at the broader picture
and I say, in the.

Speaker 21 (30:18):
Broader sense, where are we going we're heading? Or disclosure
And so David Drush has made this contribution. Other people
have made their contributions, and so yeah, why don't we subpoena.

Speaker 7 (30:29):
Them Because this issue almost requires a significant amount of
assistance from people inside. We need their cooperation as well.
We don't have to beat the doors down in the Pentagon.
We need some help on the inside. You start subpoena.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
People and then you're pushing them away, and so my
thing is to keep it together, keep it moving forward again.

Speaker 7 (30:53):
This is the activist perspective that I do my best
to provide so that some sort of balance could be
held to.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Get the job done. Activism is getting to where you
have to go getting the prize. It's not some particular
way where you run over people, because that may not work.

Speaker 7 (31:11):
You want to pick the path it gets you the prize.
And I believe in this circumstance it's encouraging cooperation, not
controlling people, not attacking anybody, but simply describe me where
we can go together until enough people.

Speaker 6 (31:25):
Are going there and you get there.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
So that's why I don't get too a problematic about that.
There's thousands and thousands of people now engaging this issue
in some way or another. Some are a little difficult,
some are a little off here but the totality of
the people engaging it is extremely looks extremely promising. Yeah,
and you and I have been really lucky. After the

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hearing that we just had in November, I had.

Speaker 5 (31:51):
A meeting already scheduling with Nancy Meets and Bob Zachlas
got there.

Speaker 22 (31:57):
And if you guys know in bov Is the witnesses
a nineteen sixty seven Moundstream incident. And you know, I
don't like to pat myself on the back, but I
stepped aside and instead of interviewing Nancy Mace.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
About the hearing that she just shaired, I allowed Bob's
Alice to brief her, an active sitting member of Congress,
about the sixty seven for the very first time.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
And I invited you and you will always be on Christmass.

Speaker 7 (32:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (32:27):
So our members of Congress, they know that these crafts
have been seen over our facilities, over our nuclear facilities,
our most sensitive facilities, and they have.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
The capability to just switch it off, switch every you know.
They we may think the nuclear arsenal is the pinnacle
of the weaponry, but to them it.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Just seems like child's play, and they can shut it
off whenever they want. But they want us to know this.
This is one of the most important This may be
the most important aspect of this. And I'm on podcasts.
I feel I go there with lightning, right, That's why
they're all two hours long.

Speaker 7 (33:07):
Really very basically, the connection between leads and the nuclear
weapons may be at the heart of the thing, near
the center.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
In other words, they shut our missiles down in the sixties.
Apparently the first event is sixty six, then sixty seven.
After that the Air Force is going, well, this is
a really problem, and.

Speaker 7 (33:29):
So any there were future events that the Air Force
just locked it down, right, whatever the hell they did.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
And so you don't know too much about that.

Speaker 7 (33:37):
But researchers that went to Russia there a number of
people have gone to Russia and done good research, have
in documents they found they're confirmed and apparently they shut
some missiles down in soon as well. Okay, and then
there's records showing that on two occasions, at least in
the US.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
And once in the Soviet Union. And this isn't book
UFOs Anddukes, the most important book on this sub drive.
Robert Hastings, he's still here. He needs he needs to
get a prize.

Speaker 7 (34:04):
Some dady should gi him a prize that they turn
them on, meaning they set them in the launch mode.
And so the guy's down in the silo having a
hand sandwich, gonna chill them, nothing much happening, and all
of a sudden they look over and they're going, I think.

Speaker 6 (34:17):
That's launch mode.

Speaker 7 (34:19):
Goes and there's a secrets he's gotta do. Yeah, this
is that they can fuel the missile in the house.
And they're going, that's not good because that goes all the.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
Way to the top.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
He says, you're gonna launch, and that's gonna be awful.
On my resume, we didn't even turn the cave. So
they are absolutely in terror.

Speaker 7 (34:35):
And it goes all the way up to the point
where the next thing launches the missiles they're about to start.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
The world we're upon now. It's not known whether that
when we have witnesses, do we craft over. I assume
there must have been a craft over there, so in
any event, they turn them on, but they don't have
to have done that. They've done this. Okay, So what
in that that was going on?

Speaker 7 (34:55):
Well, we have a lot of ideas about that, but
from the standpoint of the Department of Defense, the shutdown
of the nuclear missiles is the most.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Problematic thing they've ever done.

Speaker 7 (35:07):
They could, they could, they could, They could have bucked me.
See one of youmorrow, take you a picnic somewhere, have
a good party.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
They could care less.

Speaker 7 (35:16):
This is another matter why because if this really becomes out,
and it's now getting out, the boy they've been trying to.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Get it out since nineteen sixty nineteen ninety fours, that's
thirty years. The people who are going to learn they
can shut down our news. It's going to be formalist.
It's going to be accepted. Yeah, it happened.

Speaker 7 (35:34):
And if you're the Department of Defense, you do not
want the American people knowing that you can't do a
damn thing about having your nuke shutdown.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
That's the ultimate emasculation.

Speaker 5 (35:45):
There is a social con like a contract that we
you know, i'll pay my taxes, you keep me safe.
And if they flatline on their part and say we
can't keep you safe from whatever this is. It doesn't
have to be aliens. It doesn't have to It could
be future humans for all we know, but we can't

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do anything about it. They can fly with impunity over
any place they want at any.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Time, and there's nothing we can do when that gets admitted,
Why do I pay my taxes? You can't do anything
for me.

Speaker 7 (36:21):
It's true, that's true, But people that follow the issue
know something about the phenomenon industry.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
It's just common sense.

Speaker 7 (36:29):
That, yeah, it's really we can do if they are
very fast species interstellar.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
I believe they could do anything they want.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
So you sort of know that.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
But the nuclear shutdown formalizes it. It makes it, really,
it makes the subsidence.

Speaker 7 (36:44):
And so they have everything they can to not let
that get into a congressional hearing. And for thirty years,
Bob Salice is trying to do this, and he is
his other fellow command.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Officers, and again this is the this is the crumb,
the crumb.

Speaker 7 (37:03):
Okay, these are Air Force officers whose psychological stability as such,
and then they are granted the privilege to run a
big part of the two men silo the command where
if the codes come through.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
For the president, they are going to turn those switches.
And if the two decide to do it, because you know,
they're pistol.

Speaker 7 (37:23):
Off with society or their life's not going well, that's
not good, and so they're absolutely brought solid and so
when those guys started coming forward and saying, look, they
turned our missiles.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Off, and you need to know this. We need to
get this out there. The tire Department of Defense is
going that can't happen. And so since ninety four and
the UFOs and.

Speaker 7 (37:45):
News Luke's books, plus the documentary, they have never been
able to testify in Congress.

Speaker 6 (37:52):
They have been ignored.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
How I could it?

Speaker 24 (37:55):
Is this the good realized at Saalas wasn't going to
go away and they were going to kill and he
had four or five other nuke officers are ready to
back them up, and they knew about other security guys.

Speaker 7 (38:05):
They're younger guys who were officers that were up top,
you know, trying to protect them, and they're seeing the
damn craft and they're all running around.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
In circles, scared the death. Afterwards about there one of
the events, they found one of the security guys balled
up in a corner right literally shaking. Those guys have
never come forward, but they could. They were the younger
they're still around and so they're going that cannot happen.

Speaker 7 (38:29):
And so over the last three years, a major book,
a major documentary, two three, three book, four books, actually.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Two press conference of the National Press Club, okay, and
anything else they could do to get this forward. It
hasn't worked.

Speaker 7 (38:47):
Why because the Department of Defense policy on this, there's
really they decided to do.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
We can't kill them, we can't disgrace you and make
them disappear, so will ghost of them. Ye, And so
they ghosted it, meaning I don't know, don't know, these
people are a ridiculous question, don't say anything right and
hope that the media will go along. And the media
basically did go along, but they made little progress.

Speaker 6 (39:12):
Every year.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
This has been a thirty four year.

Speaker 7 (39:17):
Battle chess game between the most important witnesses ever and
the US government's policy.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
And guess what they're about to have their day. We're
really close. Mace said she.

Speaker 7 (39:29):
Would like to have the nuclear witnesses. Burlusen is like
to have the nuclear witnesses. That has been my number
one project for the last six months. Every single member
of the Under Oversight Committee, every single member office rather
of the House, I mean the Senate Intelligence Committee, has
gotten from the two hard copies of their witness statements
and EFFI David's, as well as the links to the

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book UFOs and news and the documentary and so forth.

Speaker 6 (39:55):
All of that is in their offices.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
That also is under electronic version of that, and so
it's now there. It's it's in.

Speaker 7 (40:03):
Play, and I think they're close to bringing them. But
again the the and they're ready to testify tomorrow. They're
going to skip tomorrow and testify the next day. They
understand that these witnesses it is kind of bagging, so
they're trying to get a little more out there and
send the spade. But watch for this if you if

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you hear, that's going to be a hearer. And the
witnesses are announced, and Bob Saalas or David Shindelli or
Robert Jamison or Rob Bob Jacobs, who's another nuclear champion bowlers.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
What maw was, if they are in the mix, then
bow you need to you need to get the champagne
in and get read of the party.

Speaker 25 (40:42):
You know what I find to be.

Speaker 5 (40:43):
Really interesting, and you know the Exeter event actually ties
into this. So I am heavily as you know, the
nuclear the topic of the new like the connection between
your post and news is something that it just won't
go at it it will knock my head and go away.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
And I started to see these beams because I've interviewed
Bob and Dave and all these people and every time.

Speaker 5 (41:07):
So if you look at the Salas kids, if you
look at the Chaneli cakes, if you look at Mario
Woodson's case, if you look at the Exeter case, there's
always nuclear material because the P's Air Force Base also
have nuclear material. And then there's this red orange orb
or orbs and that are doing whatever they're doing.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
So there's these common threads along all these cases as well,
and Exeter happens to be fit right into the hold
of those other lots.

Speaker 5 (41:35):
And you know, I just wonder, like you said, I
think if they put those nuclear witnesses up.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
There, and if the country is able to watch and
listen to their testimony, and if their stomach isn't turning
by the end of it, then they probably don't have
a vested in the national security.

Speaker 6 (41:52):
Okay, well let me say this.

Speaker 15 (41:56):
If you wonder why I am so work there right
about this, committed to this right because in my first
half of my life I did get pass.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
From or committed as much of anything.

Speaker 7 (42:07):
You know, there's a problem, but now oh yeah, I'm
there better late than never. It's this if you look
at the song of the evidence right, which includes of
course all of the nuclear shut down events, all the
school yard events, and many.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Of the accounts of contact fees.

Speaker 7 (42:27):
That tell you what they've experienced up in the show,
which getting messages in the head right showing the destruction
and other things. If you look at it all, it's
it's hard not to conclude that one of the objectives
for their presence is not just making hybrid kids that
are going to live a great life and another planet somewhere,

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but getting us past the nuclear weapons issue and getting
rid of them, because obviously, why waste a perfectly nice
civilization it took billions of years to get to whatever,
or you can't get it.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
You can't be part of our world if you've got
the nukes, because if you do, you're gonna build a starship,
fill it up with news, the cruise on out and
do something stupid like Nuka another primitive society somewhere.

Speaker 7 (43:13):
And so I believe what we're seeing is if we
can complete this is this is the pathway that would
result in no news in any country on this planet.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Doesn't mean everybody's happy with each other, doesn't mean they're
not firing some you know.

Speaker 7 (43:28):
Rockets or so there's no news on this planet within
three or four or five years, and that means we're
no longer living under mutual assured destruction, and maybe other
things will come from that that think think about that
as a goal, think of that as a realistic goal,
and you think that this is leading to that.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
How intense would you get?

Speaker 26 (43:50):
Right?

Speaker 7 (43:50):
Some of you didn't have children and grandchildren, which probably
get a lot more intense than I.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
I don't many kids and grandchildren. I'm intense at that.

Speaker 10 (43:57):
So this is, this is on the horizon and without
without the ets.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Here, that history and all this stuff, they're done. If
they weren't even there, and we've had all this stuff moved,
we've done.

Speaker 7 (44:07):
And and all the threats we're making. I would say
your clift just a matter of time, but not now.
I see possibilities.

Speaker 6 (44:15):
That's why I do what I do, and that's what.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
I love you, Steve.

Speaker 11 (44:17):
I wanted to I did go over a little bit
of time, So I'm going to bring it, yeah, a
little bit of it over.

Speaker 6 (44:23):
I thought, I apologize.

Speaker 5 (44:25):
You're absolutely amazing, So I am going to bring up
thank you for being so we are talking to minute.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Thank you, Steve, Thank you.

Speaker 27 (44:32):
Everybody says there's some new people in the community, and
I find them to be very, very intriguing.

Speaker 16 (44:49):
Nat and Jean stick Out are right here and uh
Nat is the daughter of a Soviet scientist who has documented.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
A from a program that was confirmed to be reverse
engineering UFOs, so she has direct they have a blueprint
for how to reverse engineer UFOs. But again they're from
the USSR, so we know that the USSR had a program.
Steve talked about how they turned the nuclear weapons is on.

Speaker 28 (45:20):
In in the in the Soviet Union, So I wanted
to bring them up and talk about what names, what
their work is, and how how it will linked to
the UK.

Speaker 6 (45:32):
So so.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Let's I'm gonna start with a little bit of an
origin and a peace still time for the questions in
the audience. But how did you guys come across this?

Speaker 23 (45:44):
And you know what what is it?

Speaker 3 (45:46):
What did I just said? So literally it's blueprint a
how to reverse engineer in the UFO. And who was
your father?

Speaker 6 (45:57):
Honestly, that was not the.

Speaker 5 (45:58):
Man I was introduced to because I always thought like
his day job was plumbing, right, and I know he
did some scientific stuff, because again he.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Credited from a good university, right. But yeah, when I
was a kid, I had no idea what he was
engaged in.

Speaker 5 (46:16):
Right, And when we found those papers, it's just amazing
because I was totally unaware.

Speaker 16 (46:22):
Who my father was.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
So can you describe why it's so imperative? What gene?

Speaker 6 (46:27):
Why is this?

Speaker 5 (46:28):
Why is this work and why is this blueprint of
reverse engineer in the UFO? How does it confirm you
know anything about the US programs?

Speaker 6 (46:37):
And yeah, I mean this was the amazing thing.

Speaker 25 (46:40):
And as you mentioned, we outside binging ancient aliens maybe
on a weekend.

Speaker 6 (46:45):
I had no interest in this subject. To be honest
with you, I still had very little interest in this subject.
But this was dropped and our dropped in our laps,
and as we dove into it.

Speaker 25 (46:58):
And began the train translation, it began talking to people
and began, you know, looking at the issues. It became
so profound for so many reasons because all of the
answers are in there.

Speaker 6 (47:11):
You name the phenomenon, it's in there. You know.

Speaker 25 (47:15):
I extracted all of the core science and this is
one hundred and nineteen pages of physics, physics and drawings
that you can actually show one of the examples.

Speaker 7 (47:28):
The diagram when I found really interesting is the diagram
that she's about to look up?

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Now, what does that look like? Kind of looks like
what Mazar is describing her.

Speaker 6 (47:38):
And this is one of the things.

Speaker 25 (47:39):
I've even taken the testimony from whistleblowers and then not
a scientific analysis against the testimony, and again it explains
everything I have taken the.

Speaker 6 (47:51):
Core science there's essentially fifty two.

Speaker 29 (47:55):
Domains as a call, and compared against publicly available data
declassified documents, and I found a ninety up to a
ninety five.

Speaker 25 (48:06):
Percent direct correlation between the science and the US programs,
just in a general sense. And then when I get
into defense, because then I looked at it from has
the government done, you know, have there been any programs
that would develop technology that could defend the technology as

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it's described in the blueprints?

Speaker 6 (48:28):
And found six specific programs, so.

Speaker 25 (48:30):
That crosses seventy five agencies at about one hundred and
fifty billion dollars a year.

Speaker 6 (48:37):
And the thing is, and this is the way I
was saying before.

Speaker 25 (48:41):
Nobody's lying about it, because when you say do you
have this, you know we want to know what you have.

Speaker 6 (48:48):
About UAPs, and they say we don't have anything about UAPs.

Speaker 25 (48:52):
They're actually one hundred percent correct, they do not. What
they have are different scientific topics that are compartmentalized and
spread between agencies and contractors that if you put together
into one document you would have what we have, which
is a single unified collection of works that explains how

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how everything operates, and.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Just like constitutes what job did you hold?

Speaker 6 (49:23):
Who were you before this?

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Yeah, so I kind of why is your opinion on?

Speaker 6 (49:29):
So? You know I was retired when these dropped in
my lap. I'll just say that my previous background. I
started out early in my career.

Speaker 25 (49:38):
I was a US Air Force UH security specialist, which
was nuclear weapons system security.

Speaker 6 (49:45):
And then post military, I spent my career in the
intelligence contracting firm. In telling it's contracting Realm. So I've
worked with everything.

Speaker 25 (49:55):
From private military companies through Homeland Security, Department of Energy
CIA for seventeen years, contracting through them in various entities.
So I come out of the intelligence world, which is
again more of an interesting coincidence that this would.

Speaker 6 (50:12):
Drop on my lap. You know, too many years after
I retired.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
You fell in love with.

Speaker 6 (50:20):
So I don't want to say so.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Yeah, you can say so much because.

Speaker 6 (50:24):
You feel all.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
He fell in love with a lot being and so
that brought you.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
To discovering her father's her father's work, and essentially to
come through all the bs.

Speaker 16 (50:37):
It is a guide on how these craft work, what
they are doing to manipulate.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
The environment around them.

Speaker 16 (50:45):
Every when he says everything is in there, it really
does touch on everything. And it's not if it's not
an easy read, if you don't have a physics background
or you know a scientific background, it can look it's
it's it might look like a college physic.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Textbook, but it wasn't Russian regionally.

Speaker 25 (51:06):
And if I can just on the translation, you know
the depth and we know there's you know, we've since
had some physicists and scientists Russian come forward able to
help us, because we've spent a great deal of time
just trying to look for somebody to really explain what
it was and to help out.

Speaker 6 (51:24):
But you know, we we've gone. I was speaking with somebody.

Speaker 25 (51:27):
About ten characters in a formula and he's like, well,
this was a mechanical engineer and he's like, I don't
get why there's a three there.

Speaker 30 (51:36):
I said, it might not be a three, It might
be the cyrillic letter for an abbreviation, and you know,
and we don't.

Speaker 6 (51:48):
But we spent an hour on ten characters. So when
I say, you know, we spent four years.

Speaker 25 (51:54):
Even using you know, AI assistance translation and that as
a native speaker to reconcile it.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Yeah, and I have an.

Speaker 5 (52:02):
Engineering degree like master's okay, sight engineering, but even for me, right,
it was just so difficult to grasp like the call
depth of that.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Right, I understand what it is about, right, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:13):
Mostly like universe jury of view of all, but there
are also some social aspects of all that, describing our
civilizations evolved, which would answer a lot of questions which.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Potentially people might track.

Speaker 7 (52:24):
Right.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
But again, as I said, it was also challenging to
actually find a bunch of scientists or engineers who understand
what it is.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
And I think this is another problem. Why yeah, why
lots of people that just don't get it or don't
want to get.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
It, because yeah, you have to give it to a
scientist who have some credentials and he leads to admit, lister,
what I don't understand that? So that's like a threat
to reputation. But no, thank god, you had some people
who looked at that and they said it's total legit
and some of the it's like confirms what they are
working on currently.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
So that's a good at least I want to go.

Speaker 6 (52:59):
I I really do.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
I'm usually pretty nuts and boles. You guys know this
about me. You know I've had I have I just
had Avi Loop in the studio and you guys in
the studio wiz n Berg.

Speaker 5 (53:09):
I talked to a lot of really smart people, but
I'm kind of nuts and bolts, and I try not
to stray too far. But there was a mention that, uh,
we were going to go through a change as humanity
in this in these papers, and it occurrent last year.

Speaker 10 (53:27):
Can tell you about this.

Speaker 25 (53:30):
So so one of the key near the near the
end of in these papers, just to explain the structure
there is. He speaks in terms of observation, so all
of the language is specific observation.

Speaker 6 (53:44):
It is not I think it is, this is what
it is.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Then he details it through the drawings, through the measurements.

Speaker 25 (53:53):
You know, and and and in the formulas, then explain
how how it can work or how it works. And
some of even those physics you can see they are
adapted to what it is that they're they're looking at.
So if we take the ancient aliens, you know, theory

(54:15):
for a minute, and a lot of what.

Speaker 6 (54:16):
They say, they you know, they what do they say?

Speaker 25 (54:18):
Well, the people of the time use the language they
had to describe what they saw, so it was dragons
and birds and firebirds and this net. So similarly, he
is using the science that he has the language for
to explain it and then go on and tweak that
science to say and this is how it works. So

(54:40):
one of the aspects of it is that the craft's
operation and navigation relies upon an interface with consciousness, and
generally consciousness is a tuner and we are tuned, you know.

Speaker 6 (54:53):
Not only to the craft, to one another, to the universe.
And it goes on and on. And he's explaining this
to whoever the.

Speaker 25 (55:00):
Intended audience of this is, because again these were private
notes he had him in a briefcase probably for forty years.
He references other previous papers that he had submitted to
the Russian Duma, which is their parliament.

Speaker 6 (55:15):
So whoever the.

Speaker 25 (55:15):
Audience is, then it's obvious that audience has access to
these other levels of government documents but one of the
amazing things was he talked specifically about twenty twenty four,
and he goes a little bit beforehand and says, you know,
in twenty twenty we begin this process which I'll try
to simply describe as a.

Speaker 6 (55:36):
Cosmic DNA download.

Speaker 25 (55:39):
And in twenty twenty four, that is when all the
conditions are prime for a bifurcation in society where we
have a transition of the polarity of humans between the
logical and the spiritual. And he specifically says half of
society will experience sperience this right away in twenty twenty four,

(56:02):
and then the rest goes, and then it extrapolates out
words on.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
I just want to say to this.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
If you want to look around right contacting the desert,
I was just there. They said, wow, this year, it's
the biggest turnout we've ever had this year in Exeter.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
This is the biggest turnout they've ever had.

Speaker 6 (56:23):
Why is that happening? It's by desire, it is it
is in the blueprint.

Speaker 25 (56:29):
So when we talk about all the area, all the
things with when it comes to big D disclosure, that's actually.

Speaker 6 (56:35):
That's actually a good phrase, Big D disclosure. You know,
when it comes to.

Speaker 19 (56:40):
That, that is the beginning again of what is part
of human evolution. And even when we experience that, it
is still going to be generations upon generations before we
are actually advanced to what we would imagine a super

(57:04):
advanced space, you know, being part of the cosmic community.
So it's not like, you know, whenever it happens, it's
not like five years later we're going to get there.
It's going to be like twenty six thousand years later
that we are still doing that. It's the seed being
planted exactly exactly, but it is again it's laid out

(57:28):
in such a way and there is absolutely nothing and
no issue that I have confronted this with that can't be.
It's extrapolated and explained.

Speaker 5 (57:38):
And you guys talk about in the in the in
the book and your speaking engagements, you talk about how
time is not a streetline.

Speaker 7 (57:48):
What is time?

Speaker 3 (57:49):
How do we experience time? So what is the relationship
between now? And I'll just keep like a girl or
a quop in otober that right, And I are actually
remembered about that a couple of days ago.

Speaker 15 (57:58):
So my dad, he wasn't very religious, but what he
used to say was the time is God or God
is the time.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
And then like you just go again and you find
out what you say is gone is time? Yes, those times.

Speaker 25 (58:14):
And so what I've learned out of these is, you know,
this idea, which I think you know is an unusual.

Speaker 6 (58:20):
Time linear time as we measure it and as we.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Experience it is a human construct.

Speaker 6 (58:27):
That's how we have survived. It was a survival instinct.
When it comes to universal time, it is more it
is more secular, and it is.

Speaker 25 (58:38):
More overlapping that all things only happen in the present.
So there is no past, there is no future. There
is only the present, and the present is secular, and
consciousness is the tuner, and each one of us has
a different consciousness or has a different tuner.

Speaker 6 (58:57):
And so like I like the phrase I say, time
is you know Tyler, you.

Speaker 19 (59:01):
Know one oh five point seven, I'm at Gene one
o point point seven to one.

Speaker 25 (59:05):
She's you know now one o four nine three.

Speaker 6 (59:09):
But we're kind of in the same thing and can hear.
And that's you know, all of these phenomenal people.

Speaker 25 (59:15):
You know, Oh, I feel like I've known you forever
or I loved you in a past life, or you know,
I don't know why I don't like this person.

Speaker 6 (59:22):
I just don't like this person.

Speaker 25 (59:24):
It's about frequencies and resonance, and that is what time
revolves around.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Agree to the sentiment now. I wanted to because we
are We did push time a little. I wanted to
do There is no time.

Speaker 31 (59:42):
I just got through telling you that I was. Did
you not just listen to what I said? This has
been This has been my experience in this whole community.
What do we want disclosure? When do we want it now?

Speaker 6 (59:58):
How do we want it? Wanted in a classified setting
that comes.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Up specifically from this events anywhere else we don't want.

Speaker 6 (01:00:04):
To hear it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
There's as if anyone has any questions or wants to talk.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
About their stings, place to talk in and I think
we are.

Speaker 28 (01:00:17):
So if anyone wants to ask the question to them
to the experience, that's questions.

Speaker 7 (01:00:27):
So all right?

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Yeah, So I was wondering, uh that you talked about.
We talked about the metaphor for a lot of keys,
for a lot of dwards. What are what about the
scenario of different there are different aliens. What about different aliens.

Speaker 32 (01:00:48):
Siding with different factions governments like bad aliens front with
the Rand Good and Aliens front of the United States,
and dancing technology quality, uh wars this planet?

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Is that something to worry about?

Speaker 6 (01:01:04):
Maybe?

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
I think a lot of these kinds of.

Speaker 26 (01:01:09):
Theories and speculations are the results of the truth of
Barber itself. So for eighty years of government, there's nothing
you can require you concern and that just opens the
door for any any possible speculation.

Speaker 33 (01:01:22):
You want, which is tree simple and so absent a
fundam of new process, we're going to have a lot
of breakouts to get their areas. Until we get disclosure,
we're not going to be able to get to the
bottom of any of that. But one of the advantages
in the post disclosure world is we will start taking.

Speaker 7 (01:01:40):
Out okay, and that didn't happen, that didn't happen, this
is true, that didn't happen.

Speaker 33 (01:01:44):
We developed across of truth or consensus, and that's another
reason for disclosure. So I can't address those speculations because
it's not possible to really sort them out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
But without disclosure, it's not going to So that's the
best I can add to this. Davis just stay in Congress.
Species was that DAAs in Congress spoke of five different
alien civilizations. Now, what's that that's happening now?

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
I mean, we are so blessed in this community with
you know, instant news stories. Any one of these singular
hearings would have been the biggest topic in the UFO
community twenty five years ago, right, just one hearing, just
one member of Congress speaking truthfully and olderly about it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
So I'm kind of like the.

Speaker 10 (01:02:39):
Okay, I've been watching forever.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Okay, come.

Speaker 7 (01:02:46):
Going to go.

Speaker 10 (01:02:48):
I can want to topic disclosure m hm. And I
see so many things that talking about.

Speaker 18 (01:03:00):
Yes, so.

Speaker 10 (01:03:07):
Right, I don't know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 6 (01:03:19):
You know, I understand and and and the thing about it,
and I say it so many times.

Speaker 25 (01:03:22):
And you know, for as excited as I am about
this body of work, you know, I think it's important
to say, you know, this is you know, this is.

Speaker 6 (01:03:31):
About this one craft and how it operates.

Speaker 34 (01:03:35):
But it seems consistent across all of the types that
are recorded and you know and whatnot.

Speaker 25 (01:03:43):
But I think the idea and what.

Speaker 35 (01:03:48):
You're you know, what you're looking for out of this
is that this is what this attunement is, and this
is it's why you're here today.

Speaker 25 (01:04:00):
You know, you can you can listen to Joel Olstein,
you can listen to Doctor Philly, you can listen to Bashar.
You know, right, it's all the same kind of messaging
trap that we we we feel it, we are drawn
to it. And you know, I go back to the
blueprint myself or my father in law's blueprint which we

(01:04:20):
published and translated.

Speaker 6 (01:04:23):
To sense check all of these things.

Speaker 14 (01:04:26):
And so when I hear the same things, I'm like, oh,
you're right, but you're right for the wrong reasons, you know,
And there is there is science behind this, and it's
you know, this.

Speaker 6 (01:04:38):
Is the challenge is getting it out. You know, we
talked about we talked about it earlier.

Speaker 25 (01:04:44):
When confronted with this, particularly like the US government, they
can't do anything with it because there's some political implications.

Speaker 6 (01:04:53):
This is stuff that's come out of Russia.

Speaker 25 (01:04:55):
They don't know if this had been previously classified in
some capacity. You know, I will tell you David Grush
has this body of work, you know, when he's in
Burleson's office, Nancy Mace, I sent her a coffee, but
I know Robert Bastings gave it to David Crush. So
it's there, and you know, whether they're going to use

(01:05:16):
it to ask the right questions.

Speaker 6 (01:05:19):
Is the question.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
I'll tell you something.

Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
So Bryce Stable, many of you might know him, he
cos podcast Need to Know with Ross Goldberg after he
released his series Dark Skies.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
He was a spoop government agent.

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
Showed up to the partner like the launch partner and
handed him a napkin or a banker and on that
bank order had some weird symbols and then at the
bottom it said Sam, why frequency the keys to the universe?

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
And he just he said, walk away the bole. It
will make sense in twenty five years.

Speaker 25 (01:05:58):
And incidentally, I've had my visit from the FBI to
my house already a couple of weekends ago.

Speaker 6 (01:06:03):
So I know, so I know, so I know I've
got something.

Speaker 7 (01:06:08):
Trying to.

Speaker 36 (01:06:13):
Say anything and like now something's going and taking those
pieces of messing them up that you're listen and so
you're data is and I'm not.

Speaker 10 (01:06:36):
It's kind of like I know, dated in all the time, nothing.

Speaker 36 (01:06:44):
Anything, so like please please liken't know.

Speaker 37 (01:06:53):
Yeah, I mean, you know, all I can say is,
you know, just go with the feel and do what
feels right again, you know, don't question it.

Speaker 6 (01:07:03):
And and because it's probably there for you to do
for you to understand, and.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
We just we only have a couple of minutes. I'll
make sure they're safe.

Speaker 7 (01:07:18):
H they do.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
That's hard, it's so much more.

Speaker 27 (01:07:39):
I A.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
I just have Abby in the city. So I was
just ans released the episode yet because but obviously the
news is a lot right now. I said to me
on the podcast that there is a chance that is

(01:08:04):
think that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:06):
It's per.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
It's something else, because it's the episodes it's coming up.

Speaker 25 (01:08:17):
And I'll just add from our research, based upon again
the science that we have available to us and comparing
the science that's there, that it is more likely has
natural components to it. So that key techno signature, let's
say that at least from the craft I have described

(01:08:38):
you know, or we have described in the blueprint, does
not align.

Speaker 6 (01:08:43):
So it seems to that. So I think we're just
about time or a moment.

Speaker 38 (01:08:48):
My question about what do you think is the source
of the do you think that you work on them
access because it's part of an intelligence.

Speaker 39 (01:09:11):
So all all of the language, as I said, is
consistent with observation and direct hands on we have had.
I I had done an analysis trying to identify potentially
you know, where it came from, and coincidentally, somebody who
had bought the book for research purpose reached out to

(01:09:32):
me and it reached the.

Speaker 34 (01:09:34):
Same conclusion that it seemed to be all by all
the descriptions, it's consistent with what's called cabusta yaar in Russia.

Speaker 25 (01:09:44):
And there was actually a History Channel case about it,
and we actually talked about.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Last week because I got in touch with his girlfriends. Right,
So that's something that I think my.

Speaker 40 (01:09:52):
Mom never mentioned, but his girlfriend knew the last one,
so she mentioned that they actually my father and my
mother they used to in the so called Praisers region, right,
So because of Stan so he's considered to.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Be like a similar area to Area fifty one here
in the US. So, yeah, So the Soviet Union fell
during this time, so he kept the file because he
didn't want it to get into the hands of anyone else.
So he was doing his patreon of duty by keeping
it because the Soviet Union. He was waiting for it
to come back so he could resume, but it never did.

Speaker 7 (01:10:29):
That time, my time.

Speaker 25 (01:10:35):
On the website, our website Engineering and Pipingbook dot com, Yes,
Engineer community, and to all podcast platforms.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Thank you for much for the Exit TV, Love you all,

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