UFOs Glitches in the Simulation? Reality- Mandela Effect & The Nature of God (Ft. Rizwan Virk) PT. 2
September 15, 2025 • 41 mins
RIZWAN VIRK- Are We Living In A SIMULATED UNIVERSE-Part 2 In this mind-blowing episode of Total Disclosure: UFOs, Cover-Ups & Conspiracy, host Ty Roberts joins forces with MIT graduate, tech visionary, and best-selling author Rizwan Virk to explore one of the most mind-bending theories of our time: Are we living in a simulation? We plunge into Philip K. Dick’s captivating concept of reality as a vast rendered world, where life unfolds like a colossal video game. Could UFOs and non-human intelligences be part of this simulation—programmers, watchers, or even glitches in the system?
Get ready to dive into fascinating topics like: The Mandela Effect and Déjà Vu as potential evidence of simulation resets. The mysteries of UFOs and what they signify in a simulated reality. The quest for a higher power—could there truly be a God, or merely a cosmic coder?
What does this all mean for humanity, free will, and the disclosure movement? This episode shatters conventional UFO discussions, intertwining science, philosophy, and spirituality into a revolutionary dialogue about the essence of reality.
📌 If you’ve ever pondered whether UFOs, reality shifts, or déjà vu hint at something grander, this episode is a must-watch!
Edited By Kari Lindsay
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Get ready to dive into fascinating topics like: The Mandela Effect and Déjà Vu as potential evidence of simulation resets. The mysteries of UFOs and what they signify in a simulated reality. The quest for a higher power—could there truly be a God, or merely a cosmic coder?
What does this all mean for humanity, free will, and the disclosure movement? This episode shatters conventional UFO discussions, intertwining science, philosophy, and spirituality into a revolutionary dialogue about the essence of reality.
📌 If you’ve ever pondered whether UFOs, reality shifts, or déjà vu hint at something grander, this episode is a must-watch!
Edited By Kari Lindsay
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/total-disclosure-podcast--5975113/support.
CONTACT TDP DIRECTLY For Collaboration, Use of Segments/clips, or any other media produced by “TDP” —TY.TotalDisclosure@gmail.com
Special Thank you to all of our PODCAST/YouTube Channel Members for your continued support, and dedication to seeking the truth, together. We can’t do this WITHOUT YOU!
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Copyright Disclaimer: Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, commenting, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Non-profit, educational or personal use tips the balance in favor of fair use. Total Disclosure Podcast Copyright 2020 and … segments, early access to interviews, and a yearly gift autographed by yours truly!thank you in advance now, Let's explore the unknown together! =============================================================================
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome back to Total Disclosure. My name's Tye and I
am the host of the show. Welcome to part two
of our episode with riz Wan Verk. We have a
wonderful conversation about simulation theory, and Part one has been
(00:28):
out for a couple of weeks. This is part two.
I do want to remind everyone that there is an
issue with riz uh the microphone he was using was
kind of off center. So instead of telling him to
pull it up and put it right in his face,
(00:48):
like uh say, Joe Rogan would do. It was my
first and studio episode, I didn't do it. We also
weren't wearing headphones. Terrible, terrible uh miss stake. And I've
obviously just want to say, you know, I apologize for that.
This is mainly audio podcast, so we need to be
(01:10):
better about that. I have been doing better about that.
I've made a lot of adjustments as well as other
things to improve and kind of make sure and ensure
that the audio is the best quality it can be
for a podcast. So with that being said, Part two
(01:32):
Rizwan Verk. This one opens where the last one set off,
and it opens on pretty powerful moment for me, So
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are we living in a simulation? I'm eleven, I have
no idea what I'm looking at right. I run into
the house and I told my mom like, what the fuck?
(02:14):
I wasn't say fuck, but I was like, what did
I just see?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Like what was that?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
And she didn't try to like tell me I saw.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Balloons or God or anything.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
She was like, you saw a UFO? And I'm like,
what's a ufo?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Then she so she instilled in me what she was
in the house.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
She didn't see it though.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
But it ties back in later in life when she died.
I was in the room. But so so she tells
me from a young age, she lets me know that
there's ship in the world that we don't understand, right.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
So, and and.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
That's how I went on. That's how that's how I
I saw life going forward, was that there was mystery,
right that there was It wasn't just black and white.
There was some gray and you know, it came full
circle because I was in this very toxic environment in
Hollywood and filmmaking and just you know, we're around people
I just that were so awful. And then I come
(03:12):
home because she's dying and I'm in the room with
her her final moments, and I can't really explain it
without like crying or tear it up. But we make
these micro decisions right, very very quick decisions on a
consistent basis, going back to the simulation idea. But I
(03:35):
looked down while her hand is in my hand.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I look up.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
This is a millisecond by the time I came looked
down and came up, this orb crossed my field of vision,
just went out the window and up and I looked
back and my mom was gone.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
So that was her?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I don't or yes, because and it all was kept
saying was she didn't want to be alone. She didn't
want to be alone, she didn't want to be alone,
she didn't want to die. And I mean she's she
she died on four three two one. So yeah. So
and that's at that moment that I saw that orb,
(04:19):
all these memories start come flooding back. Now I'd known
about my UFO siding, of course, but all these other
memories start coming back about her, and and then I
won't bog down too deep in it. But I started
total disclosure the minute I saw that ORB, because I
was like, I want answers.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
You know, that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
It's almost like you're seeing the ORB was purposeful, what
I mean, in a way to get you to go
down this path.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yes, because then I and and yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. Unapologetically,
I've been in the right place at the right time
far too many times. I was in the right place
to bring Robert Tallis into Nancy Mace's office, allow him
to brief her on the nineteen sixty seven melmstrip case,
(05:06):
right place to see Danny she in, you know, And
then I end up at Contact in the desert, and
all these things have happened and led me to this
moment right now, And I feel like it was all
set in motion that day I saw the UFO and
my mom told me that there was mystery.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
In the world.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
She let me know that we didn't understand everything right.
And then she brought me to the library that she
gave me communion by Whitley Streeber. She sent me down
this path, and then she kept me when I diverted
from the path. She knew I loved filmmaking and podcasting,
and then she shows me this orb when she dies
(05:43):
and sets me on this path. Total disclosure.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
That's really fascinating to me because you know, I have
this theory that we we talked about the life review earlier, right,
I believe we also have what's called a life preview,
and that is, you know, before we're incarnate.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
So in a video game, you choose your character.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Right, So like soul contract, like a soul contract, but
also like you know, you choose attributes or you're like
in a video game, you choose.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Like Elf, Dwarf, you know, right, hobbit whatever, Right, you
choose your race, circumstances, circumstances.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yeah, and you have different attributes right of that. You know,
we used to play Dudgeons the Dragons and we threw
I loved it. Yeah, And so you know you have strength, constitution,
and I think we come in with a certain amount
of each of these that is part of our character
definition or our character sheet, if you will. But we
also come in with a storyline. So it's related to
(06:37):
this idea of so contract. But it's basically an overall
storyline of things that we might want to accomplish in
this life and that we still have the opportunity to change.
And so there there's a guy who's work I'm a
fan of a guy named doctor Michael nut.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
He wrote a book called Journey of Souls. I don't
know if you're familiar, no, but he.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Passed away a while ago, but in the nineties it
came out. It was one of the best selling books
about this subject. And he would hypnotize his patients and
took them back for traumas or whatever reason he was doing,
you know, the regression, and they would end up between
lives like before they were born, but after the previous life, and.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
So they would describe to him what went on in what.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
The Tibetans would call the bardo, which Bardeau meets literally.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
In between the limbo, right, yeah, in between.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
So you know, we might even call it the afterlife
for heaven, depending on you know, you look at it
as a pre life or afterlife, right.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
And it was interesting because he said that they would
see on what looked like a screen.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
So again we have to remember these are metaphors.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
It was like a screen with a machine that showed
these lines of their life, but it also showed certain
points where you could diverge depending on the choices that
you would make at the pot. And so I see
that as essential in the video game of life, if
you will, we have a storyline, and these are the
(08:05):
things that we're drawn back to again and again.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
We also have side quests, so we go off and we.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Do other things, but keep getting drawn back to certain areas. Now,
he also said he could zoom in on this timeline
and see what might happen at that point in time.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
So we also had this preview capability.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Which is we can look at what might happen if
you do ex or y. Now, for example, if you
hadn't seen that orb, would you have gone down this path?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And so in a.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Sense, it was almost as if, okay, if you were
in a game, we need the character to do something,
we need to show we in this case would be
your writer's room, not necessarily the writer's room the whole world, right,
it's the writer's room, which is you, the player, sitting
there with perhaps a guide or a director or who
knows who else is there with you, being of light
whatever terminology.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
God, Yeah, whatever Jesus the name it.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
But but the point is, there's a part of you
that knows this was your intention, and so how can
we get you to move in a certain direction?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
And I think this by going.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Forward with like nexus moments.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Trying out what might happen if you didn't have that
I'm trying. But now this ties right back to the
Philip K.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Dick speech.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
That's where he said, not only are we living in
a computer program reality that the line everybody remembers, but
that the only clue we have is when some alteration
occurs in our reality. So he came to believe that people,
some some beings were able to go back and change
(09:42):
the timeline, but they would run the timeline forward to
see what would happened, and then they would go back
and change it.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
So he came to believe that the Man in the
High Castle.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
You have great Amazon and Amazon based on a book
from Philip K.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Dick nineteen sixties, and I think it was his most
well known work before Blade Runner, which happened just a
few months after he died.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
But you even get to see the success.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
You didn't get see the success.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
But luckily you know, his whole life was a financial
struggle made me because of the screenplay, and he bought
a house for Tessa uh and her and their.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Son, and so okay.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
She said that he came to believe that was a
real timeline, that there was actually a timeline where Germany
and Japan won the war, and that timeline was unwound
and we are now on a different timeline. That that
what that what he wrote in The Man in the
High Castle, he said was from fragmentary memories, but then
later he said he came to remember that entire timeline.
(10:42):
So this gets us into a really weird aspect of time.
In a simulated reality, you can run a process forward,
but then you can change a variable and you can
rerun it. Right now, we're on a timeline which is
perhaps what he called the consensus gente of reality. Right,
that is different from what he might remember or other
(11:03):
people remember this, of course ties.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
But but before we get to the mental heal effect,
I just want.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
To finish up this idea that he also said to Tessa,
And she told me that these beings whoever they are,
claim they prevented the jfk assassination in Dallas, but then
he got assassinated in Orlando, and then in the next
time and the next timeline he got assassinated somewhere else,
or it led to a bad outcome like a nuclear war.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
So every time, every time they changed it, it would
they could time was fighting back.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Yeah, or not so much as fighting back. That sounds
like the plot of that show based out of Stephen
King novel. Oh right, right, yeah in three Yeah, yeah,
it was that he was assassinated, but it was more
like they tried it out and they didn't like the outcome,
so they're like, Okay, let's go back and now let's
go down this particular britage. And so is it possible
(12:00):
this happened to me in my life as well? This
is why I was keying into your point, not just
that you'd seen the ORB, but I know you talk
about your pot, but that that set you on a
certain path.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
And diverted me completely.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
So I was at the height of my success in
Silicon pality, and you know, I was running a startup
program here at MIT or you just institution, and during
that time I had a personal tragedy. It was I
had to have heart surgery and I ended up going
into just before I was supposed to finish this program
and present.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
All these people.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
And as I was recovering, I had a series of visions,
and the visions basically said to me, and just to
go back, if you had asked me in high school
what am I going to do in my life? I said, well,
I'm going to be a software entrepreneur, that I'm going
to be a writer. And I just had this knowing,
like how did I know? That? That was just annoying,
And so I got clearly as I was recovering from
(12:54):
the surgery, which took me many months.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
By the way, yeah it's heart surgery. Is not thing
you Just six years later and I'm still recovering, right, But.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
During that time, the message came back to me. I
had a series of visions, and the message was very
clear to me that, hey, you had a story. The
first part of your story was you were going to
be an entrepreneur, and the second part of your story
is you're going to be a writer. But meanwhile, you're
spending all your time in Silicon Valley trying to raise
a big BC fund, going to the next billion dollar fund,
trying to be the next market recent er whoever, and said,
(13:26):
that's not your story. That's not why you're here. And
then after when I was recovering, every time I tried
to jump back into Silicon Valley and do a business,
I would end up back in the hospital right right
here in Cambridge, Massachusetts. And I ended up having additional stance,
but that they helped you a while to recover. But
I had just enough energy every day to take a
(13:47):
cab to the local Starbucks at the Cambridge Eide Gallery
and mall, and I would write for a couple hours
each day. And I finished two books in the nine
months that I was recovering. And one of the books
that I wrote was the first edition of The Stimulationship Oficis,
which went on to become a best selling book. And
of course now I have the new addition out, which
is all about AI. But I think the point that
I'm trying to make is for me, there were multiple paths,
(14:11):
and it was something that appeared to be your personal
tragedy actually forced me onto another path. And that might
have been the story along the path that I was
meant to be on, but because my conscious self.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Was trying to divert kept.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Trying to get caught up. It was in what I
call NPC mode and PC mode is when you're just
based on your conditioning. You're reacting, and if you spend
a lot of time in Silicon Valley, you get conditioned
to think of.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Now you made one million dollars and you have to
make five.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
You made five, you have to make ten, you made ten.
You have to start a company that sells for a
million dollars.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
In Hollywood, I'm sure there's a similar conditioning.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
And then I left New York.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
That's why you left right in New York too. You
see that with the finance.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Industry that's too much.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
There's just a certain conditioning that happens. It happens to
all of us in wherever we grow up religions. But
but in this case, it was, you know, talking more
about professional stuff, what do I do in my career
and as opposed to what my soul wanted me to do,
which I like to say was the storyline that I
had laid out for myself. I was like, you've spent
(15:14):
plenty of time on this part, and that's good. That
was part of your storyline. It's not like that was
a waste, but now you should be doing this. And
that's when I switched my focus to being more of
a writer, and I went back into.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Academia and now the best selling you know, so it's.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Probably what I'll be remembered for at this point, but
it's self so brought together the.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Rest of my life.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
So is it possible that some part of me saw
what would happen if I went the other way versus
this way, and said this way is important? And unfortunately,
we're gonna have to do this thing that seems like
a bad thing to you, which.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Is a physical ailment that's going to require it's.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Literally going to require and laying on a couch for
months and months and months, but it's going to set
you on the.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Right path, which it did because you'll be thinking and
you'll be thinking about existential stuff. I'm sure you know,
because it's heart surgery. I'm sure there was some like
this might not go right. Oh yeah, you know what
I mean, like this.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
If I only have a few years left, what do you.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Want to do?
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Books that I want?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
It's amazing and I had read some books before.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Were you scared of death?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I'm sure you know. I didn't know how long I had,
especially since after the surgery. The doctors couldn't explain to
me what was wrong, because that's when it hurts. It hurts, fine,
we don't know what's going on. I don't have any energy.
Your hurt's fine, we don't know what's going on. So
I had to go with alternative medicine. But at the
same time, it did, you know, it got me in
(16:42):
that mode where I had written two books in nine years.
Here I wrote two books in nine bods book from
the startup.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
But anyway, that I think is an interesting play on.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
This idea of the see relation in the video game,
which is there's a purpose to the things that might
happen to us.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Again, Yeah, it circles back to what you know. The
I think is the third question I asked is if
we found out tomorrow it is a simulation.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
What what does it change?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
It doesn't and people are looking at it the wrong way,
right because and in your case, in my case, you know,
I think we're right where we're supposed to be, right
where we were always determined to, like this was the
road and and.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
If we were going to be on it, we might
have needed.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
A correct It's kind of like in the hung Yeah,
no one, no one has accused this world of being
all joy, your ceaseless joy is not.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
The nature world. But in the under games when they
were playing, they.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Would send them something, right, a balloon or something I
forget and it would drop down.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
And it's almost like part.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Of us care package is sending us something that will
set us in a different direction.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
It's amazing, amazing.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I wanted to Obviously, this is total disclosure, right, so
I don't think I can get a without asking about UFOs.
Could UFOs or non human intelligences be trying to wake
us up to the truth, nudging us to realize we're
in something artificial or controlled.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Itself.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
It's very complicated, as you know. I'm sure you've talked to.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
People who have experienced different aspects of and you know
this goes from all the way from orbs, which often
seem to have some type of spiritual proponent, to physical
craft with physical beings on them that make them up
to everything in between, which is what's interesting, right I was,
(18:42):
you know, I spent some time with Jaques Ballet. He
he wrote a nice hole for me for the French
edition of this book in French, uh, and he's I'm
thinking on the intersection of these two things, both both
Jaques Ballet and Gary Nolan from Stanford and obvious too.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
You know I actually worked with the project.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, all these very very.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Like very very yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, where Jacques is
more into that, you know, he is bringing that, like
you know, the technology element to it, but also like
you know, the the stories and cultural elements. Yes, yes,
(19:27):
exactly from the names only changed throughout time, right aliens
are fairies were then?
Speaker 4 (19:33):
And yeah. So but he told me a story and
you know, I talked about it a little bit on
some podcasts, but not that much. But he told me
a story where there was a UFO that supposedly landed
in a clearing in the redwood trees in like northern
California or maybe it was so then Oregon.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
It was up in the Pacific northwest.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
And he said that they said the UFO forty five
angle and landed and left some marks, and so of
course everybody was concerned about remember, but he stayed after
all the other investigators had left.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
And if you know Jacques, he likes to spend some
time with.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
The witnesses and really listen to them and get to
know that as people as well. And he said afterwards
he said, well, there's one thing I want to know.
If it came down at a forty five degree angle,
look at those big redwood trees, it would have had
to cut through the streets. And they said, yeah, that's
exactly what happened, but we didn't want to say that
because will sound crazy. So theoretically it came down almost
(20:30):
like a hologram.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
This is my language now, my interpretation.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Jock didn't say this right, right, but then it came
down and became physical. So that's when you render inside
a video game. There's a resin process. Right, if you've
ever played a video game and you're on a slow computer,
you'll like as parts of the room and you can
kind of walk through the walls and stuff. Right, it's there,
you snap back, yeah. Yeah. And to me, it resembled
(20:54):
as if someone was projecting this into this part of
our reality. And there are aspects of UFO claims where
the UFOs like I remember one guy was telling me
he was out in Joshua tree. He's looking up, it's
a bright blue day, there's nothing there, and then suddenly
it's almost as if.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
The craft materialized.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Okay, Now, one explanation is it was cloak and going
science fiction.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Another explanation is that it was being projected to this
part of.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
The physical universe, right, And in.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Video games we do that all the time. How do
you get from point A to point B? You can walk,
but oftentimes you just simply disappear and your portal and
then you appear in the other scene. You give it
the x Y coordin it's where you want to go exactly,
and then your avatar and your sponds responds at that
point in the in the physical world. Right, And so
(21:44):
is it possible that the craft are being projected into
this world. That's not to say they could also be
extra trustrial, But there is an overlap between simulation theory
and the UFO space.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
And it gets down to this idea that at what is.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Physical then seems to become non physical, and then it
becomes physical again. And and that's one one element.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Of that, right of where the overlap is between us.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Right, And so do you think that.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Experiencers and abductees and contact these could be interacting with
maybe the admin admin layer or developers in the simulation
It could be or it could be even the interacting
with others, or they could be simulation themselves in the
simulation themselves.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
They could be projecting into.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Our simulation, right or you know.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
We talked about Jock's theory about the different names of
these beings over time. And in the Middle East, you know,
they have these beings called the Gym.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yes, there's a lot of lore.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Uh. And I was talking to a friend of mine
who who went to Pakistan recently and the spooked to
some Sufi mystic and he was asking about alien abductions,
and he said, we have these beings. We have plenty
of different beings that have been doing this kind of
stuff for you know, thousands.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Of years, right, right, So it's it's not.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Even something surprising to them, whereas to modern science it's
like what the guy came through a wall and he
appeared as this little being. But you know, Gary Nolan
made an interest in comment recently where he he said,
are these beings avatars being controlled by beings that are
in this case? I think he was talking about more
(23:28):
from the term from the point of view of the
movie Avatar, where you have a physical body that's being
controlled by somebody else, right right, or it could be AI.
But you can also think of that in a virtual sense. Yes,
where it's you know, the avatar is being rendered and
it's being controlled.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
From somewhere somewhere else outside of us.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Could be outside of the similar, yes, could be from
a different part of the yes.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
And so I'm very open to those ideas, especially because
of the high strange in this element that accompanies these.
Another thing that both Gary Nolan and Jack told me
about where sightings where one person saw something and the
person standing next to them saw something different.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, that's bizarre.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
It's very bizarre, right, And if we think of UFO
simply from the point of view of are the extraterrestrial
physical objects that shouldn't happen one person, next person should see.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
It and no variation, maybe very like you know, I
saw from this angle, this angle, but overall should line up.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Should line up.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
But Gary, you know, talks about a case where one person,
they were sitting in the car next to each other,
one saw a cylinder and one saw.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
A circular object like enough of a different shape.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
And to me, that again sounds like if you're in
a video game, what happens is that there is no
shared rendering, each rendering on our computer.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
So if you and I are standing in the same field.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
And let's say you're you know, level thirty wizards, so
you have very advanced skills, and on the level two,
you know, neophyte, I'm just starting out as a nube.
It's possible that you would see the dragon or the
you have on your screen and say, there it is,
and I wouldn't see it on mine.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Why because we're at different levels.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
We're different levels. And also that's how the servers. The
servers send down information based upon what they know about you.
So they know your level two or level thirty and
you have that spell and they're like, okay, we want
you to see it.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
We don't want you to see.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
It right now. And so is there something going on
that where we think we're in the same physical reality
but we're actually each of us is rendering it on
our own quote unquote computers. And I don't necessarily mean
like a you know, a three computer. Yeah, by the laptop, right,
we're talking about something much more.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Comfortix right, you know, and maybe biologic.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Where was the matrix render its being rendered inside.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
The break computer right right?
Speaker 4 (25:48):
It could be more of a quantum computer computer, which
is a whole different type of computer.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yes, it's a whole other episode.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
There's there's some there's there's enough areas of overlap between
simulations theory and UFOs when you think of UFOs not
just in terms of are they extraterrestrial, but in terms
of what does this reveal.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
About the nature?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
And so I'm like really curious about this all of
a sudden, Not all of a sudden, but in this context,
why do you think that UFOs and nukes are connected?
If it's if we are in a simulation, what's the
connection there? That's an interest because what are what would
the real implications of a nuke going off be if
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we're in a simulation.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Well, okay, think of it again.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Let's think of the same phenomenon that we talked about
in our lives, right, right, you might go in this direction,
but we don't want you to go in that direction.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
We want to go in this direction.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
So we're going to put something there to make you
go in this direction. Similarly in my life now, think
of it as societal. Okay, if at a societal level,
the projection has been done forward to say, if you
use these nukes, this is what's going to happen. Therefore,
we want to tell you there are beings here that
can turn them off. So this one and this is
(27:07):
just a speculation, of course, of course, but I believe
that the connection is they want to know how far
along we've come, because this gets back to what is
the purpose of the simulation overall? It gets back to
why do you play video games?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Right?
Speaker 4 (27:22):
We play video games to have fun, to have experiences
that we might not have individually. Right, But then why
do we run large scale computer simulations.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
That we do to see what was predictive outcomes?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yes, we want to.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Predict what will happen if we keep on this road.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
But then let's change some variables, let's go down this other.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Role, and what would happen? And now see some variables
and go down this other road. And so it's possible.
You know, Jacques mentioned this idea of.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
A control mechanism.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Yes, are we being influenced at a societal level right now?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
It could be because they want to see what we're gonna
blow ourselves up?
Speaker 4 (27:55):
You know.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Part of the simulation could be to see if we
learn to treat each.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Other well right in spite of them, in spite of it, right,
having them right there, but choosing this other path, like
you know we're not going to go there, we're going
and maybe that's the ultimate test, right, annihilation versus like
chaos and love right.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Right a filter.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
Hmm, this is great the way of saying it.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Science fiction, science fiction, Yes.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Especially like the prime directive in Star Trek.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Yes, we're sort of pre warp. Civilization is what they've
got in Star Treks and these other civilizations, whether it's
physical civilizations or it's people watching us from the simulation
on a screen saying Okay, we need to influence these guys,
but not directly, right, So we're not allowed to directly
interfere yet, but we want to nudge.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Them along in a certain direction, right.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
And so there may be something going on, you know,
at that that societal influence as well. I think I'm
the only guy will say I don't know exactly what's
going on. Everybody thinks they know.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
If if if someone is telling you they know what
UFOs are, and and because usually that you know most
of the time that's the case. If they have a
PayPal link and they're telling you that they have the
secrets of the universe, get get the hell out of there.
That's my but okay, and funny enough, but I will say.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
I know what they're not, which is nothing, which is
what the scientific community.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Wants to right consensus reality between us all in mainstream science.
They're so okay, this leads into this question, and we'll
wrap up soon, of course, and I'm so thankful for
your time. But do you think that there are people
now now I'm talking about in simulation characters, right, characters
(29:56):
like us who know the truth in government or the
deep state, whoever it may be, who could be maybe
talking to the simulator and setting up these conditions for
the way that they need to be nudged.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Okay, Well I'm gonna answer using science fiction.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Okay, because again I find like three body problem problem.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, I was going to go back to the thirteenth floor.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Okay, Oh good one.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, yeah, we had.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Talked about it, yes, earlier.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
And so for those that haven't seen it, it starts
off and then it was released in nineteen ninety nine,
so it takes place in nineteen ninety nine, and they
have built a simulation of nineteen thirties or forties Los Angeles,
and they end up going back in and they end
up inhabiting the bodies of the NPCs, so they have
(30:45):
characters that are basically NBC's.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Living their lives.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
They look like the main characters, but then there's lots
of other people there and they take over that body,
so they inhabit the avatar. Right now, we're somewhere in
between the RPG and the NPC. Normally an NPC like
the like the sims where they're just doing their things,
but then the player in this case in habits putting
(31:09):
in Like in the matrix, it says if Neil was
there doing his thing, and then he plugs into the matrix,
and now he takes over that body, and now he
knows what's going on outside the simulation as well as
inside the simulation.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Now, I think that's possible. One of the things they did.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
In that film. I don't remember it was in the film,
but it was in the book, the book that the
film is based.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
On based on, Yeah, which a lot of people don't
know that it's based on a book.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
In fact, one of the things that happens is there's
a bartender there inside the nineteen thirties version of LA Right.
First of all, he reads this note that wasn't meant
for him, it was meant for another player, and he
figures out that he's in the simulation.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
His first reaction is why would they do this to us?
Speaker 4 (31:50):
You know? But then eventually he tries to get out
of the simulation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but there were there
were characters that knew they were in the simulation, and
they were reporting back to the simulators what was happening.
Now does that happening with UFOs? I think there's certainly
people in government programs who know much more than the public,
(32:11):
like they know at least that. For example, I'm ninety
five percent sure there have been reverse engineering programs, right
because I've talked to enough people that have said, you know,
whether it's Lockheed Aerospace Corporate, one.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Of these, Northrop eng all of.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Them the standard names, and at least one of those
I have, you know, some real company.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah me, yeah, me too, Yes, well not that far,
but yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
So, And I don't want to get too much into
which one, but let's just say one of those definitely had.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
The question is what was it.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
That they were reverse engineering?
Speaker 4 (32:43):
First engineering? That is something that I think, you know,
people have speculated on, and some people might think they know, but.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Others don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
That's the big mystery with the UFO phenomenon is right,
what's going on exactly?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
What is this revealing to us about reality?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
The fact that we at these as spaceships, I think
is a key part of where we are technological.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I was gonna say, it's a reflection of if you
go by Jacques what Jacques Lay is saying, it's kind
of a reflection of your of what's right on the
edge of the prefaces of your capability societally. So you know,
fairies to god, Well, no, because that wouldn't really make sense.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
But airships, So if you look at.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
That, I wouldna say the airship sightings eighteens.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Yeah, they were, you know, slightly more advanced than where
we had gotten, right, and then we started to see
not just orbs, we started to see these flying discs, yes,
which is a different technology than we're using. Uh and
you know, nurishing, tick tacks and other other types of things.
So are they trying to nudge so long? But we're
also interpreting it a certain way. It's kind of like
(33:50):
in the nineteen fifties, right, if you look at both
the science fiction and the narratives, what would they what
do they say? Mars attacks? You know, right, they're from Mars,
or they're from Venus. If you talk to like the
contact Ease in the fifties, they.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Were Georgia Damski.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Yeah, all those guys, Right, they're literally being told they're
from Venus.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Now they're probably not from Venus now.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Right, say it just would make no sense.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Yeah, imagine you're the you're there, you're the not the
contact d with the contact or you're the alien or
the being that's trying to talk to somebody. In the fifties,
they're asking you where you're from. What do you tell them?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
You can't say you're from an exoplanet that they don't
know about.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
The exle planets, right, they can't say you're from another dimension.
They have noise, they.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Don't understand it.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
So those holy shit, we're from Mars. So now they'll
say we're extraterrestrial. Because I call it the ten year
old test. There's a certain amount of knowledge that passes
the ten year old test. Now, if you go back
to the eighteen hundreds, people didn't even know about other
solar systems, let alone other planets. So but by nineteen
thirty nine, where was Superman from? Right, we have a
(34:58):
Superman movie out now Krypton wear a scripton Oh it's
another planet in the galaxy. Even a ten year old
would say, okay, I accept that, right because there was
enough knowledge. You know, there's a there's a relationship between
science and science fiction, which is why it's called science fiction. Yes,
where it's trying to communicate these ideas, and when the
ideas get out there enough, then you can have you know,
(35:19):
interesting fiction that is accepted. You couldn't say that you
know you're from another planet, you know, in sixteen hundreds, right, right.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Say today, you could say it in the twentieth century.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Right.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
And now the multiverse is the concept that enough people understand.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
The idea of the multi right multiverse, and.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
So therefore the superheroes are all you know, multiverse characters.
What if the same thing is happening that the writer's
room is saying, okay, we have to give these people
something that they will accept and at least okay, most
scientists today don't accept the reality of UFOs, but the
ones that do, they tend to go towards the extraterrestrial hypothesis. Yeah,
(35:59):
because that's at least still in our paradigm, right, right,
they're here, but at least it's possible.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
They accept their there's life on other.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Planets science statistically, I mean it's.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
And even most scientists who are against UFOs say yes,
probably right. So therefore it's okay to say we're from
one of those other planets.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Whether they are or not is another question, is an open.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Question, right.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
And then once you bring in like dimensional aspects of it,
where most people are right now in the in the
UFO community, not on the mainstream.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
I've written articles for NBC Views on UFOs and have
tried to get art right articles for CNN and other places,
and you know, there is very much a media filtering
going on here where they're like, well, like I wrote
an article for NBC News called the government takes UFO Seriously,
why doesn't Silicon Valley or academia right? And my point
(36:54):
was they should and I said, well, there are other
possible explanations beyond it's nothing or it's alien, and they
were like, no, no, cut that, we don't have a
room for that. That's too complicated for people to understand.
So they just they wanted you to say it's alien
or it's you know, just a government program and there's
nothing behind it. There's no nhi like that is something
the public understands, right that if you if you look
(37:16):
at the clips, the short clips on the CNN or
Fox News, are they aliens or aren't they? That's as
far as they're going to go covery now. And then
you get the time travel hypothesis, which again is something
we can understand because of.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Science fiction, right right, So it's it's put again, it's
putting it in a framework.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Yeah, right, that's.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
The science fiction.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Actually, the cultural elements popular culture restrict our thinking.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
So for example, Close Encounters that there's got third kind
was a huge success.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Right, communion was a huge success, huge.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
But you know when Shaq said, when he went and
finally met Steven Spielberg, his one disagreement with him was
that these were clearly aliens in the movie. And he
still works it's too late to change that. It's too
complicated to consider these other possibilities, right, right, And but
then so I gave a speech on this at an
academic screening of both Encounters. It was interesting because not
(38:07):
a lot of people that even realized all the ufon
narratives that.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Were brought into this film that were based.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
On really right, it wasn't art influencing because most people think, oh,
well we get the archetypal alien from.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Close encounters, but close encounters referencing.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
The actual project blue book files. And he was consulting
with Heinek.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
Himself, so and the French scientists was based on Vallet right, right,
And you get.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
That element where there are all these threads of real
world narratives inside closing out. But then it's.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Almost like the most expensive documentary. Right, that's true.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
But then because it was so successful, it's now restricted.
A lot of the mainstream thinking too, is it aliens
or not aliens?
Speaker 3 (38:51):
And that's it?
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Right.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Popular media, and not just science fiction, but popular media
in general, prepares.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
People to think certain ways.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I think you're on I think you're one hundred percent
onto something there that I mean, I think a lot
of people would say that, you know, pop culture is
it's programming, right, it's conditioning.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
But it's also trying to then turn around, and it
could be unintentional. I'm not saying that Spielberg wanted us
to think it's only aliens. It's almost an unintentional level.
There may be an intentional level as well. Right, would
you get into the relationship between the CIA and Hollywood.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
That's oh yeah, oh yeah, So I very I encourage
people to not only see your lectures that place the
contact in the desert, but also, uh like just check
you out and all.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Your interviews because I think, uh, like I said, I
think you're onto something. Everyone else, thank you. This has
been total disclosure. Much more to come a vlobe next week,
UH is going to be in the chair, so I'm
looking forward to that. There's a new interstellar object that
entered our our solar system. I wonder what that So
(40:07):
these little nudges, right, I think, uh, something to do there,
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are we living in a simulation? I'm eleven, I have
no idea what I'm looking at right. I run into
the house and I told my mom like, what the fuck?
(02:14):
I wasn't say fuck, but I was like, what did
I just see?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Like what was that?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
And she didn't try to like tell me I saw.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Balloons or God or anything.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
She was like, you saw a UFO? And I'm like,
what's a ufo?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Then she so she instilled in me what she was
in the house.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
She didn't see it though.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
But it ties back in later in life when she died.
I was in the room. But so so she tells
me from a young age, she lets me know that
there's ship in the world that we don't understand, right.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
So, and and.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
That's how I went on. That's how that's how I
I saw life going forward, was that there was mystery,
right that there was It wasn't just black and white.
There was some gray and you know, it came full
circle because I was in this very toxic environment in
Hollywood and filmmaking and just you know, we're around people
I just that were so awful. And then I come
(03:12):
home because she's dying and I'm in the room with
her her final moments, and I can't really explain it
without like crying or tear it up. But we make
these micro decisions right, very very quick decisions on a
consistent basis, going back to the simulation idea. But I
(03:35):
looked down while her hand is in my hand.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I look up.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
This is a millisecond by the time I came looked
down and came up, this orb crossed my field of vision,
just went out the window and up and I looked
back and my mom was gone.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
So that was her?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I don't or yes, because and it all was kept
saying was she didn't want to be alone. She didn't
want to be alone, she didn't want to be alone,
she didn't want to die. And I mean she's she
she died on four three two one. So yeah. So
and that's at that moment that I saw that orb,
(04:19):
all these memories start come flooding back. Now I'd known
about my UFO siding, of course, but all these other
memories start coming back about her, and and then I
won't bog down too deep in it. But I started
total disclosure the minute I saw that ORB, because I
was like, I want answers.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
You know, that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
It's almost like you're seeing the ORB was purposeful, what
I mean, in a way to get you to go
down this path.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yes, because then I and and yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. Unapologetically,
I've been in the right place at the right time
far too many times. I was in the right place
to bring Robert Tallis into Nancy Mace's office, allow him
to brief her on the nineteen sixty seven melmstrip case,
(05:06):
right place to see Danny she in, you know, And
then I end up at Contact in the desert, and
all these things have happened and led me to this
moment right now, And I feel like it was all
set in motion that day I saw the UFO and
my mom told me that there was mystery.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
In the world.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
She let me know that we didn't understand everything right.
And then she brought me to the library that she
gave me communion by Whitley Streeber. She sent me down
this path, and then she kept me when I diverted
from the path. She knew I loved filmmaking and podcasting,
and then she shows me this orb when she dies
(05:43):
and sets me on this path. Total disclosure.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
That's really fascinating to me because you know, I have
this theory that we we talked about the life review earlier, right,
I believe we also have what's called a life preview,
and that is, you know, before we're incarnate.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
So in a video game, you choose your character.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Right, So like soul contract, like a soul contract, but
also like you know, you choose attributes or you're like
in a video game, you choose.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Like Elf, Dwarf, you know, right, hobbit whatever, Right, you
choose your race, circumstances, circumstances.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yeah, and you have different attributes right of that. You know,
we used to play Dudgeons the Dragons and we threw
I loved it. Yeah, And so you know you have strength, constitution,
and I think we come in with a certain amount
of each of these that is part of our character
definition or our character sheet, if you will. But we
also come in with a storyline. So it's related to
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this idea of so contract. But it's basically an overall
storyline of things that we might want to accomplish in
this life and that we still have the opportunity to change.
And so there there's a guy who's work I'm a
fan of a guy named doctor Michael nut.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
He wrote a book called Journey of Souls. I don't
know if you're familiar, no, but he.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Passed away a while ago, but in the nineties it
came out. It was one of the best selling books
about this subject. And he would hypnotize his patients and
took them back for traumas or whatever reason he was doing,
you know, the regression, and they would end up between
lives like before they were born, but after the previous life, and.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
So they would describe to him what went on in what.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
The Tibetans would call the bardo, which Bardeau meets literally.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
In between the limbo, right, yeah, in between.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
So you know, we might even call it the afterlife
for heaven, depending on you know, you look at it
as a pre life or afterlife, right.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
And it was interesting because he said that they would
see on what looked like a screen.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
So again we have to remember these are metaphors.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
It was like a screen with a machine that showed
these lines of their life, but it also showed certain
points where you could diverge depending on the choices that
you would make at the pot. And so I see
that as essential in the video game of life, if
you will, we have a storyline, and these are the
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things that we're drawn back to again and again.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
We also have side quests, so we go off and we.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Do other things, but keep getting drawn back to certain areas. Now,
he also said he could zoom in on this timeline
and see what might happen at that point in time.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
So we also had this preview capability.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Which is we can look at what might happen if
you do ex or y. Now, for example, if you
hadn't seen that orb, would you have gone down this path?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And so in a.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Sense, it was almost as if, okay, if you were
in a game, we need the character to do something,
we need to show we in this case would be
your writer's room, not necessarily the writer's room the whole world, right,
it's the writer's room, which is you, the player, sitting
there with perhaps a guide or a director or who
knows who else is there with you, being of light
whatever terminology.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
God, Yeah, whatever Jesus the name it.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
But but the point is, there's a part of you
that knows this was your intention, and so how can
we get you to move in a certain direction?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
And I think this by going.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Forward with like nexus moments.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Trying out what might happen if you didn't have that
I'm trying. But now this ties right back to the
Philip K.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Dick speech.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
That's where he said, not only are we living in
a computer program reality that the line everybody remembers, but
that the only clue we have is when some alteration
occurs in our reality. So he came to believe that people,
some some beings were able to go back and change
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the timeline, but they would run the timeline forward to
see what would happened, and then they would go back
and change it.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
So he came to believe that the Man in the
High Castle.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
You have great Amazon and Amazon based on a book
from Philip K.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Dick nineteen sixties, and I think it was his most
well known work before Blade Runner, which happened just a
few months after he died.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
But you even get to see the success.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
You didn't get see the success.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
But luckily you know, his whole life was a financial
struggle made me because of the screenplay, and he bought
a house for Tessa uh and her and their.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Son, and so okay.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
She said that he came to believe that was a
real timeline, that there was actually a timeline where Germany
and Japan won the war, and that timeline was unwound
and we are now on a different timeline. That that
what that what he wrote in The Man in the
High Castle, he said was from fragmentary memories, but then
later he said he came to remember that entire timeline.
(10:42):
So this gets us into a really weird aspect of time.
In a simulated reality, you can run a process forward,
but then you can change a variable and you can
rerun it. Right now, we're on a timeline which is
perhaps what he called the consensus gente of reality. Right,
that is different from what he might remember or other
(11:03):
people remember this, of course ties.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
But but before we get to the mental heal effect,
I just want.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
To finish up this idea that he also said to Tessa,
And she told me that these beings whoever they are,
claim they prevented the jfk assassination in Dallas, but then
he got assassinated in Orlando, and then in the next
time and the next timeline he got assassinated somewhere else,
or it led to a bad outcome like a nuclear war.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
So every time, every time they changed it, it would
they could time was fighting back.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Yeah, or not so much as fighting back. That sounds
like the plot of that show based out of Stephen
King novel. Oh right, right, yeah in three Yeah, yeah,
it was that he was assassinated, but it was more
like they tried it out and they didn't like the outcome,
so they're like, Okay, let's go back and now let's
go down this particular britage. And so is it possible
(12:00):
this happened to me in my life as well? This
is why I was keying into your point, not just
that you'd seen the ORB, but I know you talk
about your pot, but that that set you on a
certain path.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
And diverted me completely.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
So I was at the height of my success in
Silicon pality, and you know, I was running a startup
program here at MIT or you just institution, and during
that time I had a personal tragedy. It was I
had to have heart surgery and I ended up going
into just before I was supposed to finish this program
and present.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
All these people.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
And as I was recovering, I had a series of visions,
and the visions basically said to me, and just to
go back, if you had asked me in high school
what am I going to do in my life? I said, well,
I'm going to be a software entrepreneur, that I'm going
to be a writer. And I just had this knowing,
like how did I know? That? That was just annoying,
And so I got clearly as I was recovering from
(12:54):
the surgery, which took me many months.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
By the way, yeah it's heart surgery. Is not thing
you Just six years later and I'm still recovering, right, But.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
During that time, the message came back to me. I
had a series of visions, and the message was very
clear to me that, hey, you had a story. The
first part of your story was you were going to
be an entrepreneur, and the second part of your story
is you're going to be a writer. But meanwhile, you're
spending all your time in Silicon Valley trying to raise
a big BC fund, going to the next billion dollar fund,
trying to be the next market recent er whoever, and said,
(13:26):
that's not your story. That's not why you're here. And
then after when I was recovering, every time I tried
to jump back into Silicon Valley and do a business,
I would end up back in the hospital right right
here in Cambridge, Massachusetts. And I ended up having additional stance,
but that they helped you a while to recover. But
I had just enough energy every day to take a
(13:47):
cab to the local Starbucks at the Cambridge Eide Gallery
and mall, and I would write for a couple hours
each day. And I finished two books in the nine
months that I was recovering. And one of the books
that I wrote was the first edition of The Stimulationship Oficis,
which went on to become a best selling book. And
of course now I have the new addition out, which
is all about AI. But I think the point that
I'm trying to make is for me, there were multiple paths,
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and it was something that appeared to be your personal
tragedy actually forced me onto another path. And that might
have been the story along the path that I was
meant to be on, but because my conscious self.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Was trying to divert kept.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Trying to get caught up. It was in what I
call NPC mode and PC mode is when you're just
based on your conditioning. You're reacting, and if you spend
a lot of time in Silicon Valley, you get conditioned
to think of.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Now you made one million dollars and you have to
make five.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
You made five, you have to make ten, you made ten.
You have to start a company that sells for a
million dollars.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
In Hollywood, I'm sure there's a similar conditioning.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
And then I left New York.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
That's why you left right in New York too. You
see that with the finance.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Industry that's too much.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
There's just a certain conditioning that happens. It happens to
all of us in wherever we grow up religions. But
but in this case, it was, you know, talking more
about professional stuff, what do I do in my career
and as opposed to what my soul wanted me to do,
which I like to say was the storyline that I
had laid out for myself. I was like, you've spent
(15:14):
plenty of time on this part, and that's good. That
was part of your storyline. It's not like that was
a waste, but now you should be doing this. And
that's when I switched my focus to being more of
a writer, and I went back into.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Academia and now the best selling you know, so it's.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Probably what I'll be remembered for at this point, but
it's self so brought together the.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Rest of my life.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
So is it possible that some part of me saw
what would happen if I went the other way versus
this way, and said this way is important? And unfortunately,
we're gonna have to do this thing that seems like
a bad thing to you, which.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Is a physical ailment that's going to require it's.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Literally going to require and laying on a couch for
months and months and months, but it's going to set
you on the.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Right path, which it did because you'll be thinking and
you'll be thinking about existential stuff. I'm sure you know,
because it's heart surgery. I'm sure there was some like
this might not go right. Oh yeah, you know what
I mean, like this.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
If I only have a few years left, what do you.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Want to do?
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Books that I want?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
It's amazing and I had read some books before.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Were you scared of death?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I'm sure you know. I didn't know how long I had,
especially since after the surgery. The doctors couldn't explain to
me what was wrong, because that's when it hurts. It hurts, fine,
we don't know what's going on. I don't have any energy.
Your hurt's fine, we don't know what's going on. So
I had to go with alternative medicine. But at the
same time, it did, you know, it got me in
(16:42):
that mode where I had written two books in nine years.
Here I wrote two books in nine bods book from
the startup.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
But anyway, that I think is an interesting play on.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
This idea of the see relation in the video game,
which is there's a purpose to the things that might
happen to us.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Again, Yeah, it circles back to what you know. The
I think is the third question I asked is if
we found out tomorrow it is a simulation.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
What what does it change?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
It doesn't and people are looking at it the wrong way,
right because and in your case, in my case, you know,
I think we're right where we're supposed to be, right
where we were always determined to, like this was the
road and and.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
If we were going to be on it, we might
have needed.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
A correct It's kind of like in the hung Yeah,
no one, no one has accused this world of being
all joy, your ceaseless joy is not.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
The nature world. But in the under games when they
were playing, they.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Would send them something, right, a balloon or something I
forget and it would drop down.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
And it's almost like part.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Of us care package is sending us something that will
set us in a different direction.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
It's amazing, amazing.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I wanted to Obviously, this is total disclosure, right, so
I don't think I can get a without asking about UFOs.
Could UFOs or non human intelligences be trying to wake
us up to the truth, nudging us to realize we're
in something artificial or controlled.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Itself.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
It's very complicated, as you know. I'm sure you've talked to.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
People who have experienced different aspects of and you know
this goes from all the way from orbs, which often
seem to have some type of spiritual proponent, to physical
craft with physical beings on them that make them up
to everything in between, which is what's interesting, right I was,
(18:42):
you know, I spent some time with Jaques Ballet. He
he wrote a nice hole for me for the French
edition of this book in French, uh, and he's I'm
thinking on the intersection of these two things, both both
Jaques Ballet and Gary Nolan from Stanford and obvious too.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
You know I actually worked with the project.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, all these very very.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Like very very yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, where Jacques is
more into that, you know, he is bringing that, like
you know, the technology element to it, but also like
you know, the the stories and cultural elements. Yes, yes,
(19:27):
exactly from the names only changed throughout time, right aliens
are fairies were then?
Speaker 4 (19:33):
And yeah. So but he told me a story and
you know, I talked about it a little bit on
some podcasts, but not that much. But he told me
a story where there was a UFO that supposedly landed
in a clearing in the redwood trees in like northern
California or maybe it was so then Oregon.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
It was up in the Pacific northwest.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
And he said that they said the UFO forty five
angle and landed and left some marks, and so of
course everybody was concerned about remember, but he stayed after
all the other investigators had left.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
And if you know Jacques, he likes to spend some
time with.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
The witnesses and really listen to them and get to
know that as people as well. And he said afterwards
he said, well, there's one thing I want to know.
If it came down at a forty five degree angle,
look at those big redwood trees, it would have had
to cut through the streets. And they said, yeah, that's
exactly what happened, but we didn't want to say that
because will sound crazy. So theoretically it came down almost
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like a hologram.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
This is my language now, my interpretation.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Jock didn't say this right, right, but then it came
down and became physical. So that's when you render inside
a video game. There's a resin process. Right, if you've
ever played a video game and you're on a slow computer,
you'll like as parts of the room and you can
kind of walk through the walls and stuff. Right, it's there,
you snap back, yeah. Yeah. And to me, it resembled
(20:54):
as if someone was projecting this into this part of
our reality. And there are aspects of UFO claims where
the UFOs like I remember one guy was telling me
he was out in Joshua tree. He's looking up, it's
a bright blue day, there's nothing there, and then suddenly
it's almost as if.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
The craft materialized.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Okay, Now, one explanation is it was cloak and going
science fiction.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Another explanation is that it was being projected to this
part of.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
The physical universe, right, And in.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Video games we do that all the time. How do
you get from point A to point B? You can walk,
but oftentimes you just simply disappear and your portal and
then you appear in the other scene. You give it
the x Y coordin it's where you want to go exactly,
and then your avatar and your sponds responds at that
point in the in the physical world. Right, And so
(21:44):
is it possible that the craft are being projected into
this world. That's not to say they could also be
extra trustrial, But there is an overlap between simulation theory
and the UFO space.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
And it gets down to this idea that at what is.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Physical then seems to become non physical, and then it
becomes physical again. And and that's one one element.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Of that, right of where the overlap is between us.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Right, And so do you think that.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Experiencers and abductees and contact these could be interacting with
maybe the admin admin layer or developers in the simulation
It could be or it could be even the interacting
with others, or they could be simulation themselves in the
simulation themselves.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
They could be projecting into.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Our simulation, right or you know.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
We talked about Jock's theory about the different names of
these beings over time. And in the Middle East, you know,
they have these beings called the Gym.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yes, there's a lot of lore.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Uh. And I was talking to a friend of mine
who who went to Pakistan recently and the spooked to
some Sufi mystic and he was asking about alien abductions,
and he said, we have these beings. We have plenty
of different beings that have been doing this kind of
stuff for you know, thousands.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Of years, right, right, So it's it's not.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Even something surprising to them, whereas to modern science it's
like what the guy came through a wall and he
appeared as this little being. But you know, Gary Nolan
made an interest in comment recently where he he said,
are these beings avatars being controlled by beings that are
in this case? I think he was talking about more
(23:28):
from the term from the point of view of the
movie Avatar, where you have a physical body that's being
controlled by somebody else, right right, or it could be AI.
But you can also think of that in a virtual sense. Yes,
where it's you know, the avatar is being rendered and
it's being controlled.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
From somewhere somewhere else outside of us.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Could be outside of the similar, yes, could be from
a different part of the yes.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
And so I'm very open to those ideas, especially because
of the high strange in this element that accompanies these.
Another thing that both Gary Nolan and Jack told me
about where sightings where one person saw something and the
person standing next to them saw something different.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, that's bizarre.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
It's very bizarre, right, And if we think of UFO
simply from the point of view of are the extraterrestrial
physical objects that shouldn't happen one person, next person should see.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
It and no variation, maybe very like you know, I
saw from this angle, this angle, but overall should line up.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Should line up.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
But Gary, you know, talks about a case where one person,
they were sitting in the car next to each other,
one saw a cylinder and one saw.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
A circular object like enough of a different shape.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
And to me, that again sounds like if you're in
a video game, what happens is that there is no
shared rendering, each rendering on our computer.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
So if you and I are standing in the same field.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
And let's say you're you know, level thirty wizards, so
you have very advanced skills, and on the level two,
you know, neophyte, I'm just starting out as a nube.
It's possible that you would see the dragon or the
you have on your screen and say, there it is,
and I wouldn't see it on mine.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Why because we're at different levels.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
We're different levels. And also that's how the servers. The
servers send down information based upon what they know about you.
So they know your level two or level thirty and
you have that spell and they're like, okay, we want
you to see it.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
We don't want you to see.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
It right now. And so is there something going on
that where we think we're in the same physical reality
but we're actually each of us is rendering it on
our own quote unquote computers. And I don't necessarily mean
like a you know, a three computer. Yeah, by the laptop, right,
we're talking about something much more.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Comfortix right, you know, and maybe biologic.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Where was the matrix render its being rendered inside.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
The break computer right right?
Speaker 4 (25:48):
It could be more of a quantum computer computer, which
is a whole different type of computer.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yes, it's a whole other episode.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
There's there's some there's there's enough areas of overlap between
simulations theory and UFOs when you think of UFOs not
just in terms of are they extraterrestrial, but in terms
of what does this reveal.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
About the nature?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
And so I'm like really curious about this all of
a sudden, Not all of a sudden, but in this context,
why do you think that UFOs and nukes are connected?
If it's if we are in a simulation, what's the
connection there? That's an interest because what are what would
the real implications of a nuke going off be if
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we're in a simulation.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Well, okay, think of it again.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Let's think of the same phenomenon that we talked about
in our lives, right, right, you might go in this direction,
but we don't want you to go in that direction.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
We want to go in this direction.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
So we're going to put something there to make you
go in this direction. Similarly in my life now, think
of it as societal. Okay, if at a societal level,
the projection has been done forward to say, if you
use these nukes, this is what's going to happen. Therefore,
we want to tell you there are beings here that
can turn them off. So this one and this is
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just a speculation, of course, of course, but I believe
that the connection is they want to know how far
along we've come, because this gets back to what is
the purpose of the simulation overall? It gets back to
why do you play video games?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Right?
Speaker 4 (27:22):
We play video games to have fun, to have experiences
that we might not have individually. Right, But then why
do we run large scale computer simulations.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
That we do to see what was predictive outcomes?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yes, we want to.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Predict what will happen if we keep on this road.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
But then let's change some variables, let's go down this other.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Role, and what would happen? And now see some variables
and go down this other road. And so it's possible.
You know, Jacques mentioned this idea of.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
A control mechanism.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Yes, are we being influenced at a societal level right now?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
It could be because they want to see what we're gonna
blow ourselves up?
Speaker 4 (27:55):
You know.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Part of the simulation could be to see if we
learn to treat each.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Other well right in spite of them, in spite of it, right,
having them right there, but choosing this other path, like
you know we're not going to go there, we're going
and maybe that's the ultimate test, right, annihilation versus like
chaos and love right.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Right a filter.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
Hmm, this is great the way of saying it.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Science fiction, science fiction, Yes.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Especially like the prime directive in Star Trek.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Yes, we're sort of pre warp. Civilization is what they've
got in Star Treks and these other civilizations, whether it's
physical civilizations or it's people watching us from the simulation
on a screen saying Okay, we need to influence these guys,
but not directly, right, So we're not allowed to directly
interfere yet, but we want to nudge.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Them along in a certain direction, right.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
And so there may be something going on, you know,
at that that societal influence as well. I think I'm
the only guy will say I don't know exactly what's
going on. Everybody thinks they know.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
If if if someone is telling you they know what
UFOs are, and and because usually that you know most
of the time that's the case. If they have a
PayPal link and they're telling you that they have the
secrets of the universe, get get the hell out of there.
That's my but okay, and funny enough, but I will say.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
I know what they're not, which is nothing, which is
what the scientific community.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Wants to right consensus reality between us all in mainstream science.
They're so okay, this leads into this question, and we'll
wrap up soon, of course, and I'm so thankful for
your time. But do you think that there are people
now now I'm talking about in simulation characters, right, characters
(29:56):
like us who know the truth in government or the
deep state, whoever it may be, who could be maybe
talking to the simulator and setting up these conditions for
the way that they need to be nudged.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Okay, Well I'm gonna answer using science fiction.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Okay, because again I find like three body problem problem.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, I was going to go back to the thirteenth floor.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Okay, Oh good one.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, yeah, we had.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Talked about it, yes, earlier.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
And so for those that haven't seen it, it starts
off and then it was released in nineteen ninety nine,
so it takes place in nineteen ninety nine, and they
have built a simulation of nineteen thirties or forties Los Angeles,
and they end up going back in and they end
up inhabiting the bodies of the NPCs, so they have
(30:45):
characters that are basically NBC's.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Living their lives.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
They look like the main characters, but then there's lots
of other people there and they take over that body,
so they inhabit the avatar. Right now, we're somewhere in
between the RPG and the NPC. Normally an NPC like
the like the sims where they're just doing their things,
but then the player in this case in habits putting
(31:09):
in Like in the matrix, it says if Neil was
there doing his thing, and then he plugs into the matrix,
and now he takes over that body, and now he
knows what's going on outside the simulation as well as
inside the simulation.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Now, I think that's possible. One of the things they did.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
In that film. I don't remember it was in the film,
but it was in the book, the book that the
film is based.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
On based on, Yeah, which a lot of people don't
know that it's based on a book.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
In fact, one of the things that happens is there's
a bartender there inside the nineteen thirties version of LA Right.
First of all, he reads this note that wasn't meant
for him, it was meant for another player, and he
figures out that he's in the simulation.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
His first reaction is why would they do this to us?
Speaker 4 (31:50):
You know? But then eventually he tries to get out
of the simulation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but there were there
were characters that knew they were in the simulation, and
they were reporting back to the simulators what was happening.
Now does that happening with UFOs? I think there's certainly
people in government programs who know much more than the public,
(32:11):
like they know at least that. For example, I'm ninety
five percent sure there have been reverse engineering programs, right
because I've talked to enough people that have said, you know,
whether it's Lockheed Aerospace Corporate, one.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Of these, Northrop eng all of.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Them the standard names, and at least one of those
I have, you know, some real company.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah me, yeah, me too, Yes, well not that far,
but yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
So, And I don't want to get too much into
which one, but let's just say one of those definitely had.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
The question is what was it.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
That they were reverse engineering?
Speaker 4 (32:43):
First engineering? That is something that I think, you know,
people have speculated on, and some people might think they know, but.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Others don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
That's the big mystery with the UFO phenomenon is right,
what's going on exactly?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
What is this revealing to us about reality?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
The fact that we at these as spaceships, I think
is a key part of where we are technological.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I was gonna say, it's a reflection of if you
go by Jacques what Jacques Lay is saying, it's kind
of a reflection of your of what's right on the
edge of the prefaces of your capability societally. So you know,
fairies to god, Well, no, because that wouldn't really make sense.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
But airships, So if you look at.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
That, I wouldna say the airship sightings eighteens.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Yeah, they were, you know, slightly more advanced than where
we had gotten, right, and then we started to see
not just orbs, we started to see these flying discs, yes,
which is a different technology than we're using. Uh and
you know, nurishing, tick tacks and other other types of things.
So are they trying to nudge so long? But we're
also interpreting it a certain way. It's kind of like
(33:50):
in the nineteen fifties, right, if you look at both
the science fiction and the narratives, what would they what
do they say? Mars attacks? You know, right, they're from Mars,
or they're from Venus. If you talk to like the
contact Ease in the fifties, they.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Were Georgia Damski.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Yeah, all those guys, Right, they're literally being told they're
from Venus.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Now they're probably not from Venus now.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Right, say it just would make no sense.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Yeah, imagine you're the you're there, you're the not the
contact d with the contact or you're the alien or
the being that's trying to talk to somebody. In the fifties,
they're asking you where you're from. What do you tell them?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
You can't say you're from an exoplanet that they don't
know about.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
The exle planets, right, they can't say you're from another dimension.
They have noise, they.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Don't understand it.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
So those holy shit, we're from Mars. So now they'll
say we're extraterrestrial. Because I call it the ten year
old test. There's a certain amount of knowledge that passes
the ten year old test. Now, if you go back
to the eighteen hundreds, people didn't even know about other
solar systems, let alone other planets. So but by nineteen
thirty nine, where was Superman from? Right, we have a
(34:58):
Superman movie out now Krypton wear a scripton Oh it's
another planet in the galaxy. Even a ten year old
would say, okay, I accept that, right because there was
enough knowledge. You know, there's a there's a relationship between
science and science fiction, which is why it's called science fiction. Yes,
where it's trying to communicate these ideas, and when the
ideas get out there enough, then you can have you know,
(35:19):
interesting fiction that is accepted. You couldn't say that you
know you're from another planet, you know, in sixteen hundreds, right, right.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Say today, you could say it in the twentieth century.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Right.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
And now the multiverse is the concept that enough people understand.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
The idea of the multi right multiverse, and.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
So therefore the superheroes are all you know, multiverse characters.
What if the same thing is happening that the writer's
room is saying, okay, we have to give these people
something that they will accept and at least okay, most
scientists today don't accept the reality of UFOs, but the
ones that do, they tend to go towards the extraterrestrial hypothesis. Yeah,
(35:59):
because that's at least still in our paradigm, right, right,
they're here, but at least it's possible.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
They accept their there's life on other.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Planets science statistically, I mean it's.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
And even most scientists who are against UFOs say yes,
probably right. So therefore it's okay to say we're from
one of those other planets.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Whether they are or not is another question, is an open.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Question, right.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
And then once you bring in like dimensional aspects of it,
where most people are right now in the in the
UFO community, not on the mainstream.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
I've written articles for NBC Views on UFOs and have
tried to get art right articles for CNN and other places,
and you know, there is very much a media filtering
going on here where they're like, well, like I wrote
an article for NBC News called the government takes UFO Seriously,
why doesn't Silicon Valley or academia right? And my point
(36:54):
was they should and I said, well, there are other
possible explanations beyond it's nothing or it's alien, and they
were like, no, no, cut that, we don't have a
room for that. That's too complicated for people to understand.
So they just they wanted you to say it's alien
or it's you know, just a government program and there's
nothing behind it. There's no nhi like that is something
the public understands, right that if you if you look
(37:16):
at the clips, the short clips on the CNN or
Fox News, are they aliens or aren't they? That's as
far as they're going to go covery now. And then
you get the time travel hypothesis, which again is something
we can understand because of.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Science fiction, right right, So it's it's put again, it's
putting it in a framework.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Yeah, right, that's.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
The science fiction.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Actually, the cultural elements popular culture restrict our thinking.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
So for example, Close Encounters that there's got third kind
was a huge success.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Right, communion was a huge success, huge.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
But you know when Shaq said, when he went and
finally met Steven Spielberg, his one disagreement with him was
that these were clearly aliens in the movie. And he
still works it's too late to change that. It's too
complicated to consider these other possibilities, right, right, And but
then so I gave a speech on this at an
academic screening of both Encounters. It was interesting because not
(38:07):
a lot of people that even realized all the ufon
narratives that.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Were brought into this film that were based.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
On really right, it wasn't art influencing because most people think, oh,
well we get the archetypal alien from.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Close encounters, but close encounters referencing.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
The actual project blue book files. And he was consulting
with Heinek.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
Himself, so and the French scientists was based on Vallet right, right,
And you get.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
That element where there are all these threads of real
world narratives inside closing out. But then it's.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Almost like the most expensive documentary. Right, that's true.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
But then because it was so successful, it's now restricted.
A lot of the mainstream thinking too, is it aliens
or not aliens?
Speaker 3 (38:51):
And that's it?
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Right.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Popular media, and not just science fiction, but popular media
in general, prepares.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
People to think certain ways.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I think you're on I think you're one hundred percent
onto something there that I mean, I think a lot
of people would say that, you know, pop culture is
it's programming, right, it's conditioning.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
But it's also trying to then turn around, and it
could be unintentional. I'm not saying that Spielberg wanted us
to think it's only aliens. It's almost an unintentional level.
There may be an intentional level as well. Right, would
you get into the relationship between the CIA and Hollywood.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
That's oh yeah, oh yeah, So I very I encourage
people to not only see your lectures that place the
contact in the desert, but also, uh like just check
you out and all.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Your interviews because I think, uh, like I said, I
think you're onto something. Everyone else, thank you. This has
been total disclosure. Much more to come a vlobe next week,
UH is going to be in the chair, so I'm
looking forward to that. There's a new interstellar object that
entered our our solar system. I wonder what that So
(40:07):
these little nudges, right, I think, uh, something to do there,
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