UFOS & Nukes- Pattern Or Perception? " (TDP-Anomacon) Ft. Eric Burlison, Robert Salas- Dave Schindele, Nancy Mace

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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Hello, anamic On. My name is Ty Roberts. I host
a podcast and show called Total Disclosure, which is produced
by TDP Studios in Boston, Massachusetts, where I am right now.
My presentation is something that is very close to home

(00:49):
for me, as the UFOs and nuke connection is something
that I've been working tirelessly with not just Congress, but
also the nuclear witnesses in an attempt to get them
on to.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
A public hearing.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
In order to be able better tell the world what
happened to them and what they experienced. It's been a
harrowing journey. We've made so many leaps, so many bounds,
and I am so grateful for, you know, everything that
I have been able to do for.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
These for these witnesses.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
So I wanted to start off with a couple of
things before I get into the formal presentation.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I don't usually do types of.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Things like this and more of a podcast there a journalist,
but I am. I just did the Exeter UFO Festival
contact in the desert, so you know, I'm getting more
into the rhythm of doing these things in front of people,
and it's just been such an amazing ride. I am
really really hoping that you guys get something out of
this because you know, the phenomena being as complex as

(02:02):
it is. Uh, we owe it to uh these men,
We owe it to these men and women who served
our country at the highest levels. You know, to be
involved in our nuclear program. You can't just be any
you know, run of the mill officer. You have to
be vetted to a very high degree. So, so I

(02:23):
wanted to start off with a couple things. So this
is actually from contact in the desert when I weighs.
I interviewed Bob Salas and Dave Shindelli together. Uh so
I want to give you a quick look at that
here we go.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
You know, started up again at a certain particular point
in the manual. This is his description of his activity,
all right, And he says, all of a sudden, the
missile shuts down for no reason, goes down. Okay, So

(03:03):
he starts over it is checklist, right, gets to that
same point, that same point in his checklist, and the
missile goes down again. And he said, during this period
he felt like there was a beam of static electricity.

(03:26):
He could feel it coming down the tube. You know
where he was from. Apparently the hair standard apparently from
this object.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Wild.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
So this was during this was I was interviewing Bob
Sallas and Dave Shindily from my not Air Force Base
in Malmstrom Air Force Base. And right now, as you
can see, it was the my name was impeccable on
this one. As Bob points up referencing the story, I

(04:07):
followed his finger up and I look up. The minute
I looked up, the siren starts to wail and we
have to exit the building. It's a huge thing. It
was really really a weird moment. But let's continue.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
It. So we.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Exit and walked down.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Bob's like, let's get out of here.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Attention, Sorry, we just had a future tiler. We just
had that fire alarm.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
So as obvious yourself, wait, keep that part where I
look in because that was kind of funny. So again,
I it just it really it goes by the way
telepathy tapes demonstration was also happening at that moment, so

(05:28):
it was just it was a very mirror of the
experience that you know, Bob It had in nineteen sixty
seven in that the Malmstrom case. I I've been able
to facilitate two briefings now with Bob Sallas and I
want to show you a clip from the first one. Again,

(05:49):
I want to show these things before I start the presentation.

Speaker 5 (05:52):
And they also exonrated me if that's sort of work
from my EDDA, which I had, so really yes, They
told me, I don't worry, don't worry about your NBA,
just tell us what you know. And I got a
letter from stating that my story that I gave him

(06:16):
is now an official record, historical record in the era archives.
So I don't know if you can get access.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
To that, but it's was it in the report at
all that they put together this year, So it's a
big thing that they left out the left, Okay, So
it's truly just that reported me totally discounted.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
It's correct.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
Yes, yeah. In fact, my last question to them after
I gave my presentation is are you going to check
with the Air Force to verify any part of my story?
And they said no because they had tried to verify
a previous account that was Robert Jacobs.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
I don't know if you're familiar with that story.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
He was stationed Vandenberg Air Force Base with a very
advanced camera video camera, and he shot a video of
a test flight of a W warhead was on an
Atlas missile on the Pacific Test range. And so the

(07:21):
W warhead leaves the final stage and is flying towards
its so called target and test area, and the UFO
comes over and fires laser really at this W warhead.
In fact, it flew circle around.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
This so I will stop that there.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
So that was a briefing that I facilitated after the
November twenty twenty four hearing.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
That I was at.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
And then I just want to quickly show this one.
This is the latest one because again working behind the
scenes with Congress, with members of Congress, I you know,
first with Mace who chaired that November hearing, now Burleson.
After the September ninth hearing, I set up a briefing

(08:21):
for Bob with Eric Burleson. Congressman, I want to show
you a little bit of that.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Part two.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Congressman, thank you so much for sitting down with me
and allowing me to tell my story, which has been
a dream of mine for a long time to just
speak to Congress about it. So thank you for your
courage and your love for this country. Absolutely. On March
twenty fourth, nineteen sixty seven, I was part of a

(09:05):
two man crew assigned to what we called OSCAR Flight.
It was near roy, Montana, about one hundred miles to
the east of Great Falls, Montana. And what we would
do on these tour of duties to twenty four hour
period tour of duty, we would go out and monitor

(09:26):
our missile systems, which we had at that time ten
minute man one ICBMs, all targeted ready to go if
given the order, of course by the president, and to
make sure that they were in an operational mode and

(09:50):
ready to go. We had six security people upstairs, security guards,
and we were underground. So I wanted to show you
a couple of diagrams just so we'll get the right reference.
So this is a cutaway, okay cutaway of the what

(10:17):
we call launch control facility. And you see that capsule underground. Yes,
that's where we were located as a crew, and that
we had all the equipment down there that was needed.
So the buildings on top just looked like simple buildings.
They were just for the security people we had upstairs,

(10:42):
so there were rooms, you know, bedrooms for them and
their facilities. But we as a crew, a launch crew,
were located sixty feet underground.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
So okay, it is safe to say that I have
a vested interest in the nuclear connection, and that's what
I want to talk about today. I've done a lot
to try to facilitate, you know, meetings with nuclear witnesses
and members of Congress. I've achieved a lot of those goals,

(11:13):
but we need more help, more pressure from the people
and and writing to your members of Congress demanding that
you know, these these witnesses uh get to speak at
an open hearing. So that is the point of of
what I am doing, and it try to further that cause,

(11:36):
because again, these these men and and and these women
there are of the the you know, they're they're of
the highest UH sanctity and the highest of clearance levels,
and you know, for them to not be taken seriously,
it's it's it's a shame, it really is.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
It's a it's a shame.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
So to begin here, Seventy nine years ago, on July sixteenth,
nineteen forty five, a silent desert outside Alamagordo, New Mexico,
erupted but the first human made nuclear explosion, the Trinity Test.

(12:18):
In that blinding flash, humanity announced itself as a species
capable of planetary scale destruction. And if any intelligence human
or otherwise was monitoring Earth, Trinity would have been a
beacon brighter than anything we had ever sent skyward. In

(12:42):
the years immediately following Trinity, strange aerial phenomena began clustering
around the very places where nuclear secrets were guarded. From
nineteen forty eight to nineteen fifty one, brilliant zan fireballs
repeatedly streaked over Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories. The

(13:08):
US Air Force launched Project Twinkle to investigate, and physicists
Lincoln Lpez suspected these objects were artificial. Even skeptics admitted
the concentration over top secret atomic labs was alarming. Through
the nineteen fifties and the early nineteen sixties, sightings continued

(13:33):
near and around nuclear test ranges and weapons storage areas.
Some of the most dramatic incidents were yet to come.
In September nineteen sixty six, launch control officer Dave Shindily
at Minot Air Force Base experienced an event he stayed

(13:54):
silent about for years. A glowing object reportedly hovered near
his missile silo. Then his nuclear missiles became disabled. Six
months later, on March sixteenth, nineteen sixty seven at Malmstrom

(14:19):
Air Force Base, ten minute man missiles in echo flight
suddenly went on offline within seconds. Launch officer Bob Sallas
recalls a frantic call from security a glowing disc covering
over the front gate. Moments later, every missile under his

(14:41):
watch was rendered inoperable. The Air Force blamed an internal
power fault, yet no one has been able to fully
explain how multiple independent systems failed simultaneously. In October nineteen
sixty eight, another major incident, the mine Not B fifty

(15:02):
two radar case, A B fifty two crew, ground radar,
airborne radar, and ground observers all tracked an unknown object
near mineo's nuclear complex. The documentation remains amongst the most
detailed multi sensus multisensor cases in history, and it has

(15:25):
never been resolved.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
In the early.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Nineteen seventies, Mario Woods, a security policeman at Ellsworth Air
Force Base, described a bright object hovering over the missilefield,
code named November five. Ordered to intercept, Woods and his
teammate could not approach. The object moved silently, and it vanished.

(15:51):
By nineteen seventy five, Strategic Air Command bases across the
US and Canada, Loring Wertsmith Malmstrom Mine. Not all reported
repeated intrusions by unknown lights or helicopters directly over weapons
storage areas. No Red and National Military Command Center logs

(16:13):
show scrambles and alerts, Yet no intruder was ever identified
beyond US borders. After the Soviet Union collapse, journalist George
Knapp learned of a nineteen eighty two incident in present
day Ukraine. Witnesses reported a disk hovering above missile silos.

(16:36):
Sound familiar, it should. Control panels allegedly showed sporadic launch readiness,
as if someone momentarily seized control and flipped the weapons
not off, but this time on. The missiles did not fire,

(16:56):
but for fifteen terrifying seconds, the possibility of an unintended
nuclear launch and subsequent nuclear World War three became so real,
all too real. Could imagine being in that room, I,

(17:16):
you know, just waiting for the world to essentially end,
and there's nothing you can do about it. The pattern
didn't stop with the Cold War. On October twenty third,
twenty ten, fe Warren Air Force Base temporarily lost command
and control of fifty minute Man three missiles. Let me

(17:39):
say that again fifty minute man missiles. The Air Force
blamed a hardware fault, yet multiple witnesses reported a UFO overhead. Meanwhile,
between twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen, dozens of coordinated drone

(18:01):
overflights targeted French nuclear power plants, again prompting this to
not be just a local United States issue, but a
global targeted strategy. Operators were never caught, showing that unidentified
incursions over nuclear sites remain a present day security risk.

(18:26):
Statistical studies add weight, a peer reviewed analysis of France's
national UAP database found sightings disproportionately clustered near nuclear sites,
even after correcting for population density and geography. And again,
you know, even if there's a sensor bias, yeah, we

(18:47):
do have more sensors you know, near our nuclear facilities,
it doesn't really matter because at our most sensitive facilities,
at our most dangerous facilities, something happening and we cannot
ignore that or chalk it up to censor bias. Air
Force officer Bob Jacobs filmed a dummy nuclear warhead test,

(19:12):
and according to Jacob's the footage showed a disc shaped
object maneuvering around the dummy warhead coming into the screen,
firing a beam of light that appeared to disable the
warhead before causing it to tumble out of the sky,
and the craft zipped away the way it came in.

(19:35):
Taken together, these incidents suggest a consistent theme. Whether humanity's
nuclear capabilities are concentrated, unidentified objects sometimes appear behaving as
if to observe or interfere Skeptics argue this reflects that
that sensor bias, we watched nuclear sites most closely, so

(19:56):
that's where anomalies tend to be noticed. The Pentagon Arrow
has acknowledged as possibility, and as of its twenty twenty
four report found no verified evidence of extraterrestrial craft note
the word extra terrestrial. But even collection bias cannot easily

(20:19):
explain multi sensor cases like mine not sixty eight or
simultaneous missile shutdowns like Malmstrom sixty seven. The national security
implications are enormous. Even if every case we're foreign drones
electronic warfare tests, it would mean adversaries have penetrated the

(20:40):
heart of nuclear deterrent from the NATO countries and maybe
even the Bricks countries. So again, even if a fraction
represents something beyond our known technolog the stakes rise drastically

(21:03):
and exponentially from national security to planetary security. Now imagine disclosure,
a confirmation of a non human intelligence arriving in the
middle of a nuclear crisis, a radar anomaly over missile fields,
a sudden missile glitch. Social media erupts with videos of

(21:27):
strange lights. Leaders fearing sabotage, they go on high alert.
Then comes the announcement these objects are not ours. That
is ontological shock. Under maximum stress, civilians would face the

(21:48):
twin terrors of nuclear war and at the same time
proof that we are not alone and we never have been.
Political systems could fracture under that panic.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Adversaries might miscalculate.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
We might miscalculate interpreting unknowns as attacks. Even if extraterrestrial
visitors meant no harm, the timing trigger catastrophe.

Speaker 6 (22:22):
This is why we must act. We must take the
testimony of the men like Sallas, like Shindily, like woods,
like Jacobs, and others very seriously. These were trained, cleared professionals,

(22:43):
trusted with the world's most dangerous weapons. They reported what
they saw because they believed it mattered. Seventy nine years
after Trinity, nuclear weapons remain vanity's brightest and most dangerous beacons.

(23:06):
Whether the intruders are foreign drones, black projects, or something
beyond our understanding the pattern, it's undeniable. We need open data,
rigorous investigation, and somber analysis before an unidentified object over

(23:29):
a missile silo becomes the match that lights the nuclear fuse.
Because if disclosure ever comes in the heart of a
nuclear standoff, it will not feel like the word wonder
or triumph. It will feel like the world cracking open again.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
My name's Ty.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
I host the podcast and show Total Disclosure. I really
hope that you can take something out of this. The
nuclear connection is something that I mean, it's so clear
and present in a phenomena that not many conclusions can
be drawn from. We tend to see the same things

(24:13):
happening over and over. Not to mention the craft that
are being described by Sallus, by Shindily, by Mario Woods,
by Bob Jacobs, by Bob Jamison, so many people, Jeffrey Nuctelli,
They're all describing these orange orb craft that are gaseous,

(24:38):
don't have super form, you know, they look like like
a gaseous material, like you know, consistently floating like no
solidarity to it in the Mario Woods case. You know,
as they approached the missile site code named November five,
the atmosphere in the car that they were approaching in

(25:02):
became so thick that Mario and his his teammate Michael,
they were not able to breathe, and subsequently they passed
out after waking up, you know, some hour hour or
two after the event, where that caused them to go

(25:25):
to sleep, if you will, you and Mario tried to
climb out of the car, but he was just too weak,
and the atmosphere was so thick all of a sudden,
and it seemed like it was purposefully done. They woke
up and Michael was in a catatonic state, right, and Mario.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Gains you know, gains semblance.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Of of cognition and realizes that they are miles from
where they were when the event took place, when they
were approaching the missile silo. They woke up and their
car had been transported, their truck had been transported over
a mile away from the nuclear missile silo, and they

(26:14):
were facing the opposite way towards you know this this
cliff or canyon, and and you know Mario's story is
unique in the sense that he was hypnotically regressed and
uh subsequently remembered uh being.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Brought aboard the ship.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
So I just want to say this, You know, there
is so much more going on that meets the eye.
And maybe the world isn't ready for that, that the
the abduction stuff, and maybe that Congress isn't ready for that,
but there's a very clear and apparent uh you know, uh,
there there's a very clear pattern to these types of things,

(26:56):
and these these events happening near our most stritigue, our
most secure facilities, and generally the craft that are being
seen are all, you know, resembling each other. So you know,
this is something that I think the world needs to
pay attention to.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
It really really does.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Because we have the vantage point of someone who is
in the capsule, you know, sixty feet underground with Bob Salas.
We have the vantage point of a top side guard
in Dave Shindily, we have a military policeman's perspective about
responding to a missile silo that had one of these

(27:38):
crafts over it with Mario Woods. And then we have
Bob Jacob's testimony filming a dummy warhead being launched so
you know, we we have a lot of ground and
a lot of perspectives from the nuclear program covered, and
we have people from all of these walks saying, hey, guys,
something weird is going on, and we owe it to

(28:01):
the public, to national security, to global security to take
a take a look, investigate with serious rigor and serious,
serious tone. The stigma of the aliens, you know, needs
to go away. And again that word extraterrestrial. When AERO

(28:22):
says they have no evidence of extraterrestrial beings, well there's
a reason we call them UFOs. You know, no one,
no one should be saying that a UFO equals alien.
The U stands are unidentified. So you know, just because
they're saying that they haven't found evidence of extra terrestrial craft,

(28:46):
I mean that could be a very carefully chosen statement,
you know, not per se lying, but omitting the general
fact that these things we don't know where they're coming from.
Maybe their ultra ress trial. Maybe they you know, evolved
alongside us or before us. And you know, this world

(29:08):
isn't ours like we think it is. Maybe they're inter dimensional.
You know, there are so many, so many possibilities that
limiting it to one I mean, it's a it's a
very clear tactic by the Department of Defense. They don't
want to look in EPTH. They don't want people knowing that.

(29:29):
You know, these crafts are basically sending a message. They're
sending a message to humanity, and they're saying, these might
be your most powerful weapons, but we can take control
them at any moment and shut them off or turn
them on.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Your move.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
All right, guys, make sure to think Ryan Sprague somewhere
in the skies in a novoc on twenty twenty five.
I want to say say a special thank you to
the crew for letting me speel on about nukes and
UFOs and nukes. It is a wonderful uh. You know,

(30:12):
it's a wonderful platform to be able to utilize and
get this presentation out there. Uh, And for people to
hear the views of you know, a plethora of different
types of people and different views. This is what we
need more of. We need more discourse, you know, skeptics, believers.

(30:32):
It shouldn't matter if you don't necessarily believe right. What
matters is that we have the conversation and we're humble
when we're wrong. If we make mistakes, we need to
be able to say we made that mistake and move
on from it. Yet this community has a real issue
with that. They think that if they make a mistake
with one little aspect of one little story and that

(30:55):
comes out, then everything they've ever said will will cease
to be true. And you know, that's not the right
way to look at this, because we're dealing with something
that is so far out of the realm of normal
that we have to be able to be wrong.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
We have to be humble, we really really do.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
And it's going it's not going to if you're defending
your favorite UFO guru, like it's your fantasy football.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Team, there's probably an issue. We can't do that.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
It's not going to be one person that that runs
this across, you know, across the field. It is going
to take a full team, right, offense, defense, special teams, right, everybody,
everybody down to the ball boys and you know, towel guy.

(31:50):
It's gonna take the every every single person to get disclosure.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
And it's gonna take you.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
It's gonna take you getting off X, getting out there
make a difference. My name's Ty Roberts. I hope you
check out Total Disclosure. I interview a range of people
all the way from members of Congress to scientists like
Alvi Lobe, Riswan.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Verk I, experiencers, researchers.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
You name it, I've probably had them on And the
show is everything for me because I did have a
sighting when I was younger, and I had another experience
in twenty twenty one in the room that my mother
died in, like at the time of her death, and

(32:44):
that birthed the show Total Disclosure because at the time
I was doing a different podcast about movies. I was
in the Hollywood era, I mean Hollywood area, and I
worked in movies and film and my mom was.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Always that guiding light for me.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
And you know, I won't get into the story, but
you know, I know what I saw, I know what
I've seen.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
This is real, guys.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
You know, whether we can make jokes right about little
Green men and probing and all that kind of stuff,
but at the end of the day, this is real.
Something's happening, and we can't just put our head in
the sand and pretend it's not, because that's when a
chaotic disclosure might occur. And that ontological shock that these

(33:36):
people feel when they have these sightings imagine the world
goes through that together. That would be horrendous. That would
be horrendous. So we need, we need to come together. Guys,
thank you so much. I will catch you on the

(33:56):
flip side. I hope you enjoyed this presentation. UFOs and nukes,
pattern or perception. Thank you again to Ryan Sprague, to
somewhere in the skies and to anolokon twenty twenty five.
We'll get you on the flip side.

Speaker 7 (34:46):
I think it's just a mutual distress of government, you know.
I mean, I say all the time, both parties are crooked.
Is a dog's leg, you know. They just do it
different ways, different definitions. But I think too that we've
got to take it past of the point of flying
saucers and little green men. We've got to take it

(35:08):
to disclosure, because everybody.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Agrees we need disclosure.

Speaker 7 (35:12):
People that don't believe in UFOs, don't believe in any
of this stuff, they still want to know where we're
spending the tens of millions of dollars. And I think
that's our most compelling argument that brings everybody. But I
think in Congress people have heard enough, They've seen enough.
I've had members come up to me that have said
that they've seen something in their youth or in the

(35:35):
military or several years ago, and they are all curious.
And then when the government says, when you have one
department say they don't exist, and then you have another
department says we've got we've got a recovery team, you know, well,
what are they recovering if they don't exist? And where's

(35:55):
all the money going to? And then they say, well,
they don't exist, and then they release a report that's
so redacted it just looks like somebody shot it with
a twelve gate shutgun. You know, just so many holes
in it.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
It's pathetic.

Speaker 7 (36:07):
And that's you know, that's why I mean, what started
me on all this. I've been I've resetart started reading
about UFO

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