We’ve Been Misunderstanding UFOs | Filmmaker Dean Alioto on Non-Human Intelligence, Disclosure & Life Beyond Earth - Total Disclosure Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M H. Welcome back to Total Disclosure. My name's Ty

(00:34):
and I'm the host of the show today. I'm actually
really really excited to get this episode kicked off. I've
been I've been having so much fun lately with the
guests doing the in person shows, and you know, right now,
I know I'm in a hybrid, hybrid mode. But the

(00:55):
goal of course in the new year is to start
bringing everybody in to the studio. Hence why I purchased
it and have a second home to do this. So
I'm really excited. We've been doing like a mix. Today
we're gonna be doing the virtual one. If you're watching
on YouTube, make sure like share, subscribe, you know, share

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with your friends, your families, your enemies, the grays. I
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takes twenty seconds. And lord knows you're gonna be on
your phone all day anyway, so might as well help
a brother out today. Today we're joined by award winning
filmmaker and part time comedian UFO researcher Dean Aliotto, a

(01:44):
true pioneer in modern UFO storytelling, from the cold classic
the mcspherson Tape to consulting on James Fox is The Phenomenon,
which arguably I think is one of the best films
in the UFO community, and that is including Age of Disclosure.
He has spent decades pushing this subject forward and after
an eight year journey across countries and more than I

(02:07):
think sixty interviews, is what he told me. His latest documentaries,
The Alien Perspective and Life Beyond Earth are available on
Amazon for purchase. I will already have the links in
the description below. And we're gonna ask some of the
biggest questions like he has regarding to humanity, uh and
the phenomenon, and you know, this the biggest existential question

(02:31):
that we face. It's something I'm really excited about. So Dean, welcome,
h this is going to be really fun. I can't wait,
and thank you for doing this.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
You're very welcome, brother, happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
You are such a funny dude.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Bro, great, no pressure, you gotta.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
I wish I did have you in studio today. There's
something and and this isn't a takeaway from the virtual interviews,
but there's like an electricity when you're in the same room.
And where actually where I really fell in love with
that was contact because I didn't I didn't aside from
like introducing people like Bloodsoe and Melinda Leslie and Ryan Wood,

(03:15):
I didn't watch a single panel. I was pulling people
off off the floor and just dragging to the media
room and doing interview after interview after interview after.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, they won't let you back into the contact in
the desert because.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Of that, by the way, Yeah, I got kicked out.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
You're on the list.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I'm on the list now. But I fell in love
with it, the electricity of just feeding off the other person,
and yeah, I just I would love to I can't
wait to bring you here and so many others. But
tell me a little bit about how because I mean
some of the films you've worked on, like The Phenomenon,

(03:51):
I mean The Phenomenon that's one of the first ones
I recommend from people that are coming into this field.
The Alien Perspective, that was one that I watched and
I was so impressed with just the storytelling. So I'd
just like to hear about how did you get into filmmaking,

(04:12):
and you know, specifically UFO filmmaking.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
The journey started with a divorce. My father got me,
my mother got my other brothers, older, younger, and so
I spent a lot of time in Sacramento for the
first nine years basically in my life. And so from
seven to nine, I'm with my father and I'm out
looking at the stars every night before I go to bed,

(04:41):
just kind of imagining that there was someone else out
there that was going through the same shit that I
was going through, and you know, feeling not as alone.
And so whenever I would see those stars sparkle, I
always looked upon that as being a heartbeat for some reason,
and it just kind of resonated. And then I started
seeing shows like In Search of and would find books

(05:04):
at the library that were, you know, dealing with you know,
Charity's of the Gods and even put and stuff, anything
weird that was out there that was fun. I was
all all in. And and then I remember seeing I
remember seeing I think it was called Interrupted Journey, the
Barney and Betty Hill story ev movie with James Earl Jones,

(05:29):
dath Vedo and and the Stelle Parsons, and that was
creepy and great. And then I would say that. I
saw Star Wars obviously first because I came out in May,
and I had to see it four times because the
story very simple story. Rescue Princess, destroy I'm not getting

(05:51):
it giving away any spoilers here, destroy the Death Star.
And that was it, as simple as that was. I
couldn't take that in because I'm a little dyslexic and
so I'm skewed visually, so I'm very forward visual. So
I was just taking in all the art, direction, the costumes, everything,

(06:11):
and it was just blowing my mind. It was just like,
you know, uh crack. And so anyway, and then six
months later we get close encounters with a third kind
damn yeah, and that knocked me on my ass. And
I remember at first going, well, I already have a
mad crush on this other thing, Star Wars, and who's

(06:33):
this guy coming along? Thinking he's going to work in
sci fi as well, because my allegiance, you know, is
to you know, and so anyway, it's like, you know,
the socks and the phillies, what are you going to do? Well,
you know what you got to do, so anyway, of course,
But but the thing about close encounters are the third
kind that star Wars didn't have is it had a

(06:55):
spirituality where it takes this guy puts him on this.
There's no bad guys in the whole film. Yet I'm
watching watching clearly an action sci fi drama with with
a healthy dose of comedy by the way, yeah, and
and and relating to all of it and feeling this compulsion,
this compelling that there's something bigger out there. And so

(07:17):
when he's saying this means something in the movie throughout,
I would look at the stars and I would say
the same thing, this means something means So it totally
connected with me resonating and that was that was it.
And so I was. When I was younger, I did stunts.
I had super stunt Super eight stunt movies. And then

(07:41):
I was a magician. I was an escape artist, always performing,
dealing with some forms of effects. And so here comes
Spielberg again. At this point, I had dropped out of
high school before I flunked out, because again I didn't
know that I was dyslexic. I just knew that I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Like at that time, it's not like they were for
that kind of stuff all the time, and like, unless
you were, unless you're you know, specifically asking for these things.
They're not going to pull you out and be like, hey,
this is what's happening.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
No, they had tested. The only thing they did is
early on they did an IQ test and that was it,
and that was kind of a standard. I don't even
think they do that anymore. And so I tested well
enough on that that they thought, oh, this guy is
you know, what's his problem? He's just lazy? Yeah, not
knowing that you can test high, but yet you can
be dyslexic, and you know, the two don't always dance

(08:35):
well together. So anyway, I dropped out of school thing,
and I was going to be for lack of better
thing because I knew I love entertainment, that I was
going to be an actor. But again, I was always
more interested in how things came together, the mechanics of things.
You know, if I was going out to audition for
a school play, I would walk into the audition, I

(08:57):
would go, this kid, that guy should do that part
because he's better at it. But how are they going
to do the tornado on stage? I want to see
how that plays out. So I drop out six months.
My mother's cool with it. She's like, you're going to
read newspaper every day, and you're going to get a job.
And so I'm doing that, and then I go to
the movies and I see ET. Spielberg hits me again

(09:21):
and I see a sneak preview of it. So I
know nothing about this, and I'm like, hold on, my
mother is now because I had moved back with my mother.
So my mother's raising three boys on her own, three kids.
I'm the fucked up middle child. Yep, tick that box.
I love UFOs and aliens. There he is with an alien.

(09:43):
Tick that box. And I'm seeing so much of my
life in ET. And except for the product placement of
Reese's pieces, I do anything. But I'm just looking at that.
I'm going, Okay, this is something magical filmmaking where it

(10:05):
can take what I had perceived as being like four
hundred blows. You know Trufa's film if you haven't seen it,
Okain or anything, it's a different type of blow. And
I thought of it as a tragedy. In Spielberg's going no, no, no,
this isn't a tragedy. This is special. This is fertilizer
for imagination. So I came home and I literally said

(10:25):
to my mother, I'm a filmmaker, that's it. And so
from eighty two on which, by the way, eighty two
can we talk about eighty two? Within a month and
a half, here's what comes out each blade Runner, the
thing wow, and something else really big?

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Tron? I forgot what it was. Yeah, within a short
period of time, sci fi geeks were like, you know completely,
you know they were made Oh in Nirvana, dude, it
was amazing. And so anyway, I just I I went
back to school, and first I got my ged, then

(11:08):
then I got my Then I graduated, you know, got
my full high school diploma, and then I got into
a great film program at San Franschoo State University University.
And it was Jesus Christ, I'm taking way too long
to answer this question. Wasn't a simple question, and I
went running with it. Yeah, but I'm at the precipice,

(11:29):
so let me just I'll bring it home. I'll bring
it home for us. So basically what happens is I
again hit dyslexia wall because my syllabus hasn't it in English,
A stack of books like this high and I'm thinking
I'm not gonna be able to do it in a
quarter and then I'm doing astronomy and I'm so excited,

(11:49):
and then they start using trigonometry and I'm so I'm
having to drop out of classes left and right. So
I say, you know what, screw this, I'm going to
take a year off, save up enough money and go
to US see and just take film classes, extension classes.
So I did that. So I went to US and
took film classes and stuff, and that was great. And
then finally what led me hardcore as a filmmaker into

(12:14):
this was shortly thereafter I was turning twenty five, and
because all of my filmmaking idols had made their first
film by twenty five, there was undue pressure that I
put on myself that I needed to make my first
film by twenty five. And so back then it was
either sixteen millimeter to shoot a movie or it was

(12:35):
thirty five millimeter, which was extremely expensive, and so there
wasn't DSLR and mirrorless, right. So anyway, I talked to
a buddy of mine and he said, you know, hey,
I'll help you, you know, finance your film. I'm like, great,
what do you have? He said, I got sixty five
hundred bucks. And I had been doing wedding videos with

(12:56):
a buddy of mine, and I said, yeah, that's like
the budget for wedding video, a nice wedding video that
I don't that's not going to work.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
It's not going to bring us to where we need it.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
No. And then Whitley Streemer's book Communion Union and I
and I read that. Actually I listened to the audio
tape with Roddy McDowell and if you haven't listened to it, folks,
unfortunately it's the abridge version. But Roddy McDowell mann does
he totally crush it. Yeah, it's amazing. And so anyway

(13:25):
I listen to that. I'm more terrified than any Stephen
King book I'd ever read. And Roddy McDowell, if you
guys don't know, was the original plan of the apes.
He was Galen, he was Caesar. Yeah, yeah, And so
he gave gives a great performance. And so I thought,
oh shit, what if I because I'm so affected by this,

(13:48):
and I want to be able to translate this to
an audience who haven't had these experiences like myself, how
would that look like? How do you put yourself in
the first person? I mean, Dracula, all these great. You know,
Gothic novels were done in that stall kind of first
person that would put you in that like a journal.
So I thought, what would be the equivalent of that

(14:09):
as a filmmaker and a film And then I hit
on the idea of, oh, what if we do a
home video where something if we're a benign thing, like
a little girl's five year old birthday party, and then
the shit hits the fan and you introduced aliens and
then they all one by one get abducted. And so
that was it, and so I called up my friends
said all right, we're back on let's do this, and.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Now that budget kind of.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Works right now, it's perfect. Now it's perfect. And we
came in on budget. And the guy who did the
ship in Aliens, who went on to do the first
Fantastic Four film and work with Tim Burton, Bill Bowse
is his name, amazing talent. He only had seven hundred
and fifty bucks to do the ship in the Aliens

(14:56):
and he crushed it and did a great job. So
we make this thing, and so now I'm a filmmaker.
I can chick you know, check that box box. Yeah,
no one wants to touch it because it's so weird
and it's ten years before blair Witch.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
I was gonna say, it's blair Witch before blair Witch
makes that a popular the found footage kind of popular popularity.
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Wow that So you said one thing that really interests.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Me, though, only one thing. I'm sorry, no, no, let
me work on it.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
God damn, I don't know how I'm gonna interview you.
Uh you too busy freaking laughing. Uh. You said one
thing that for people who weren't having these experiences like
I was, So, what do you mean by that?

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I don't know, dude, I'm just talking out of my ass.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
I think you have any experiences with the phenomenon.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
No, And I'm pissed off because I'm dreaming of it.
I'm the one that, you know, was that kids. Still
every night I would, you know, not every night, but
occasionally I would go back on my you know, porch
of the house where I lived in the Bay Area,
and I'm looking at the stars. I really want to
have this experience, and after reading Whitley's book, I really

(16:16):
want to, you know, specifically, you know, try to have
a communion with them not happening, And so I think
This is the reason why Spielberg keeps making UFL films,
because we want this wish fulfillment. You know, we have
this wish fulfillment that we want to cement and materialize,

(16:38):
and so we use our imagination in order to recreate it.
So flash forward after I make this movie and it
gets distributed, and there's a whole other story there with
a distribution company burn on the ground. I lost my
main master and artwork, but some Mama Pop video stores
had some advanced screeners and someone edited off the credits
and injected to the UFO community, so it becomes this

(17:00):
big UFO kind of sensation thing and believed to be real,
et cetera. And I have to go on National TV
and de bank my own film so that all happens,
and then I end up doing a remake for UPN
So the original was called UFO Abduction aka the McPherson Tape,

(17:22):
and then I did a remake for UPN TV their
first TV movie called Alien Abduction Instant Lake County, and
that did well, which pissed off the new head of
the network because he thought this was a piece of
crap and thank god they were here to save the network.
And so another long story anyway, So for the twenty

(17:44):
fifth anniversary of my film, the McPherson Tape, I talked
to Alejandro Rojas and he says, Hey, you should come
and do a speaking engagement here, like a seventy five
minute ted talk if you will, about this filmnie and
you as a filmmaker and all the conspiracy theories and
there's a crapload of them on the film and me.

(18:06):
And so at first I refuse because I'm kind of like, yeah,
I don't think that they're going to dig me, because
I think they maybe take this too serious. And I'm
as smart ass as you can tell. And he said, no, no, no,
They've got a great sense of humor. The community is awesome.
I'm like, go all right. So I go out there
Scott Steel, Arizona, and everything he said was correct. These

(18:27):
were the funnest group of people, like minded nerds like me,
all just completely swimming in the phenomenon. And again, a
lot of experiences there, and a lot of people who
really want to have that experience and are there as
kind of investigative journalists, if you will. And so I
start meeting people out of Montana Tech like professor Michael

(18:55):
Masters and Yeah, and other people who are who are
working the space, who are highly accredited academia, And I'm going, okay,
I think there's a documentary here, and I've done documentaries
for TV and cable and stuff, and so I thought, well,
what if I take what I've learned and do it,

(19:16):
Because at the time, most of the UFO documentaries looked
like it was some guy who grabbed their iPhone and
cornered their favorite UFO guru while they're waiting for the
elevator and quickly interviewed them and then cut in some
stock footage and that was it except for James Fox,
who was doing them you know, nicer stuff. And there
are a few other Yeah and and Acknowledge, and there
are a few other filmmakers that were doing some really great,

(19:39):
great things, but most of it was that. And I thought, okay, well,
I really want to have this be a science doc
and I want to have the production value and everything
feel like you're just watching a science dock. And this
isn't a braggadosha thing, it's I want to be able
to get people who haven't spent time in the UFO
rabbit hole, if you will and show them no, no, no,

(20:01):
there's something to this, and so there's a certain format
and stuff that you would bide by in order to
do that. And so that set me off on my
journey that I thought, oh, I'll be done in nine months,
fifteen interviews, and then that's it. And then I you know,
I'll I'll do that, and then I'll go yeah, then
I'll go back, I'll hang it up. Then I'll go

(20:21):
back to doing you know, scripted sci fi stuff whatever.
So that's not how the phenomenon works at all. It
laughs at you when you declare anything. And and here
I am eight years later, about to enter my ninth year,
and I've done four interviews, and like you said, you know,
it's sixty eight interviews. I think Diana Diane oh what

(20:46):
is her name? She she hosts the second one, Life
Beyond Earth, the one that that came out recently. No Hennessy,
Diane Hennessy with the television. She was the last interview
I did. And so I've got these, yeah, these four documentaries,
five countries, and and you know, I was talking to

(21:07):
Yvonne Smith, who's a great hypnotherapist who works with experiencers.
Ah yeah, and she and I said to her one time,
I just I got so burnt and so fed up,
because you know, these things cost a lot, and it's
like it's a very expensive hobby and already filmmaking is
the most expensive art form in the history of mankind.
And so I'm you know, gambling, throwing down hard. But

(21:31):
I just really believe in this, And I say to her,
I go one time after we were filming, I said,
I don't understand what the hell's going on. I'm not
an experiencer. So I've come through my past. I have
no missing time, nothing anominalous. And she looks at me
like I'm an idiot, which is probably true, and she says, Dean,
they don't need to knock on your door to get
to you, which I found both interesting and frightening. And

(21:58):
so she's like, you know, basically, the idea there is
that you know, a lot of people become agents of this.
You know, the muse comes, and sometimes the muse is
a creative muse, and sometimes maybe they're from another planet
to mention or the future. So I'm still trying to
figure out that one. But it completely changed the way

(22:19):
that I make movies because the documentaries. When I started out,
what you do as a filmmaker when you're trying or
a storyteller, you're trying to tell a story that has
been told beforehand to some extent. To some extent, every
story is different. You look at what everyone's doing and
then you run the other way. So all the other
documentaries were all from the human's perspective, and I'm like, okay,

(22:41):
hold on, what if we look at it from their perspective?
Flip it? And so that's where the idea of the
alien perspective came from. And then that that was my compass.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
So I love it and I like what she I
like what Yvonne said that they don't have to knock.
They don't always have to knock on your door. And
in this topic specifically, it seems like once it gets
a hold of you, or you get a hold of it,
you know, whatever whatever form that takes.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
You know.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
I've I've interviewed many people and many of them are
at least a handful of them were like, I just
want to do this interview. I want to come out,
I want to tell my story and I want to
move on. And I tell them every single time you
may want that now. But I can promise you, if
the phenomenon wants you around, you're gonna be around and

(23:37):
you're never gonna get away from it. It's God, This
this topic has a way of pulling you in and
never letting you go. And it's the only thing I've
ever seen do that. Because I did work in Hollywood,
I did all that. I did that stuff, and that's
what I thought I wanted to do. Is what I again,
like you from the first time I ever saw a

(23:57):
film and the way it elicited that, it elicited emotions
that I had never even felt before, and something how
to do something on the silver screen? Do that to me?
You know, I had a rote quote unquote rough childhood,
not in the way of like like uh being a
bubi and not like that. But we didn't have money.

(24:20):
You know, my dad was in jail. My mom was
raising four kids on her own. You know, it just
we didn't have But but so I was very shut
off as a person. I didn't let to There was
few people in my life that knew the whole story
because I wouldn't let people get close enough to see anything.

(24:41):
And I forget where I'm even going with. Oh, uh yeah,
So the way a film was able to elicit those
kind of emotions for me, the first movie I saw,
I was like, that's what I want to do. I
want to be able to do that to other people.
And then I chased that dream and it turns out
it wasn't for you, specifically the Hollywood version of it,

(25:03):
but this version of it, it took me a little
bit longer to find. And I have my own I
had my own experiences, which you know, I had a
sighting when I was younger, and then when I when
my mom passed away, I was in the room and
I saw something in the room as she passed, and
it was at that moment it was like her pushing

(25:25):
me right back. It was because she's involved with both
of the experiences I had. If she didn't ask me
to stay home from school at twelve years old, I
wouldn't have saw the craft, the nuts and bolts craft
that inspired me to see the world that isn't because
she she didn't like. I ran in the house and

(25:45):
I was like, my b I just saw and she
was like, just chill, like you saw a UFO. She
didn't say. I was like, she didn't say, I was crazy.
She didn't say I saw God or an angel. She
didn't try to force any view upon me. She just said,
you saw something you don't understand. And then she took
me to the library every single day for two weeks.
And it's funny how you said like communion, because I

(26:08):
had that same experience just at a very much later time,
twenty years ago. And yeah, it was off to the races.
But when she passed away, I saw like this orbit
in the room and she was it went out the window,
and then I looked back and she was gone, and
it was like her last nudge of hey, you're almost there,

(26:31):
you're on the right track, but boom, here's one last push.
And then total disclosure was born and I haven't stopped since.
So I think I think fate, whether you want to
call it fate or destiny or you know, the muse
or you're calling I think we're all in the right place,

(26:54):
you know, at the right time.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
And by the way, I think your title change from
your original which is like totally disclosure. I think total
disclosure is much better. So you definitely are in the
right place.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
My friend like totally disclosure, dude, But.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, it is it is, dude, I have a script
about this, this young guy who gets abducted and he
describes it as alien st D where you get infected
with it and sometimes you infect others because there are
stories of you know, people who around people who all

(27:36):
of a sudden, especially if it's a loved one, spouse,
et cetera, that it doesn't always stick with you know,
patient zero. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's interesting that you
saw the ORB, which you know Chris Bledsoe is, you know,
that's his thing. He's the Orb doctor Orb. He needs
a he needs a handle. Other people got handles, you know.

(28:00):
I've got mister disclosure and the people are fighting over that.
I think Bassett might be the first one and then
you got Greer. But anyway, I have a theory which
is that. And I don't think that I came up
with this, but early on in my research, you know,
eight years ago on this, when I would hear that

(28:20):
there would be loved ones next to Kraft, I thought, well,
that's weird, because does that mean that the UFOs are
traveling in the astral plane? And because people will say
they've seen ghosts that look as real as you and
I like, right there, they will swear that they could

(28:41):
go up and touch it. And so if UFOs have
figured out how to do that, and these you know,
non human n hi's intelligence have figured that out, then
it would make sense that you would see loved ones
there sometimes. But yeah, with regards to the urban stuff,
you know, I mean before I went hardcore into the

(29:03):
UFO world, I was very spiritual still am. And I
would read books, you know, the Tibetan Book of Living
and Dying and and yeah, and I would really like
the holographic universe and all this stuff, and Seth speaks
all into that, and I find so much crossover between
the two, and like reincarnation and everything, and and I

(29:26):
you know, from what I've gathered, you know, these orbs
could be a soul, and so each of us, you know,
we have a soul. And when we die, because the
physical manner, energy doesn't die. We know that that's been
luckily proven, and so what happens with it, well, the
body drops, and then you know, your your spirit continues.

(29:50):
And you know, there's a term called a xenoglossy, which
is when kids can speak into their language when they're born.
They're in Michigan and they can speak French or they
can speak Chin Chinese. Yeah, they can play the piano.
How many times have you hear about these little prodigies
who go up and are playing the piano. So that
is a term zeno glossy and and so that to

(30:12):
me is residual from a past life. Right, you know,
like the James Leidecker story, you know this, yeah, right,
and he was shot.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Down and he and they found like the the right
is that that story?

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah, the parents were able to track down who this
kid said he was and then actually bring him to
a reunion where all of the World War two, you know,
pilot buddies and stuff got together and by the end
of it they were calling him by his nickname and
he knew all their nicknames without having you know.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Fucking crazy. That's a what like And that's you know,
I think because we are so attuned to this life,
this this reality that you know, we that we form
around us and you know, whether our parents have something
to do with it, but you know, we're born in
and then we're up thinking the world is black and white. Right,

(31:03):
It's it's either yes, no, it's a one or zero
it's alive, or it's that it's not until later on
in life that you realize how much gray there really is.
And once you start seeing the gray, I think that's
it's ironic, right, once you start seeing the gray, once

(31:24):
you start seeing that gray, I think then that is
that is once you realize we don't know everything and
there's such it's it brings a little bit more magic
back to your life, you know. Uh, And that's it's
it's a driving force for a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah. Agree. I spoke at Phenomicon not too long ago,
and yeah, and I do have to say I met
Jay Stratton and I wish i'd heard this thing that
he just that he said an age of disclosure because
I hadn't seen it yet, which is that the government
has funded movies on UFOs is emphatically wrong. I don't

(32:04):
know where he's getting that that information that intel if
you will, but it is one wrong and I don't
mean it.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Can you can you run that back?

Speaker 2 (32:15):
What?

Speaker 1 (32:15):
What? What did he say?

Speaker 2 (32:17):
He said that that the government has funded before UFO
projects like Hollywood, Hollywood films, because I believe what he
said Hollywood films. And I'm not doing this to call
him out or anything. He's a nice guy. I got
along with him. Well, but he's being told this from
people who are full of shit. There is not one

(32:40):
film that is out there that has ever been funded.
Spielberg has never had his films funded. I know, Escape
from Which Mountain. They said that they worked with the
government and someone came on and gave them pointers and stuff,
But they don't fund movies. Believe me, we would be
in line there with their hands out of my long

(33:01):
to get funding. I wish that was the case. We
don't need to do that. The public is already interested
in that. Studio is already open to financing some of these,
and and independent filmmakers will, you know, make films regardless.
But anyway, it's really something that that you you get

(33:23):
into and then you you find that because a lot
of people like you're saying, well, it's like you say, oh,
I'm just going to go and I'm done and I'm
just going to say my piece and I'm gonna get
out of the UFO thing. Yeah, there's the adverse of that,
inverse of that, which is you have people who they

(33:44):
have something to say, but they don't want to go.
They want more of that fifteen minutes of fame, and
so then it becomes idle. Yeah, then it can cross
over into what I call UFO carpetbagging, which is, you know,
where you're saying things to keep it alive and everything,

(34:04):
and so like the dates, when you're giving dates, I'm
being told, you know, twenty twenty seven, I'm that. And
I was on a panel at Contact in the Desert,
and I won't say who said that, but I just
kind of bemoaned and said, you know, if I bet
on every single date that was supposed to happen, where
we were going to have full disclosure, like totally disclosure, Yeah,

(34:30):
I could fund all my films based on all the
money would make from those bets. It's it's a bigger thing.
So when I was speaking at the Phenomenon Phenomicon, I said, guys,
let's kind of let's just step back and look at
where we're at. And where we're at right now is
that we're not very far advanced. And that's a problem

(34:54):
because there's two types of advancements that any civilization has,
and we keep forgetting to factor the second one. The
first one is technology, which is the flashy, look what
we can do. The second is mature advancement maturity as
a civilization, and we are not mature enough to be

(35:21):
part of any kind of, if you will, for lack
of a better word, galactic federation. In fact, I don't
think the bouncer even lets a stand in line at
the Galactic Federation club.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah me either.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah. So it's kind of like we are best represented
as a little kitten who's running down the hallway and
its hind legs or running ahead of it trip. That's
humans right now. You know, when you look from eighteen
sixty nine where we were torches and you know, lamps
that you would turn on but you needed light and

(35:54):
horse and buggy, And then you go to nineteen sixty
nine and we're on the moon, that's a pretty big advancement.
But then and we can do great things. And the
reason why that advancement happened, which was off the charts,
was because there was an existential threat from another nation.
So our motivations for things are all jacked up, dude,

(36:16):
if we wanted to, like, here's the thing. Carl Sagan,
Carl Sagan, brilliant astronomer. He helped design Voyager and what
was going to be on that yep, on that you
know satellite the Golden Record.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
I think it's a record, Yeah, the record, Sorry, yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
That has you know, thank god, it's got a Beatles
song on there, Chuck Berry and hold bunch of other things.
But it's a basically hello and a zillion different languages.
He said, you know, the Cold War started right after
World War Two and it went well into the eighties
nineties and then tapered off and they spent well over
a trillion dollars and they said, look, ultimately that was

(36:57):
not a good spend, and everyone's agreed on that. But
we know that the environment is fucked. We know that
the things that we've done to it are they have
a chain reaction that's been going on forever. And people
talk about I'm not going to get into all the

(37:18):
details of it, and please don't politicize this. You can
actually see it, and I talk to people. I've shot
in thirty three states and I've talked to people and
they're dealing with this. Fishermen, et cetera. The rainforests. You think, oh,
that's where all the oxygen comes from, a smaller percentage
comes from that. The bigger percentage comes from coral. We
are coral in the sea, and we're just trashing the

(37:42):
hell out of that because we're doing mass fishing and
stuff like that. If we took that trillion dollars that
we spent on the Cold War and we put into
technologies to help us, we could have our cake and
eat it too, no problem. But we don't do that.
And so I remember being at Shag Harbor and I
kept hearing what they want, disclosure, what they want, blah
blah blah, And I said, okay, hold on, guys, what

(38:03):
is disclosure? Explain to me what you want. And one
of the things was we want technology. And I go, okay,
let's let's unpack that you get technology. Let's look at
the two biggest technologies that people want. Number one is
they want they want gravity, be able to control gravity
because in our planes can weigh as much as a
car and we can have them flying back and forth.

(38:26):
And I go, that's that's cool. I'm with you there. However,
we weaponize literally everything, everything, and if you go to
get a patent on something that could be weaponized as
well as advances, DoD Department of Energy comes in and says,
uh uh.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Slap the national security tag on it.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Boom over right. The problem with anti gravity is people
are going to use it to bounce certain people off
the planet and maybe certain nations and be able to
say we can elevate them or levitate them and can
them off the planet. That's not good. The other is
the environment and cleaning up. And so I'm a parent,

(39:08):
and so the idea of aliens coming in and saying
all right, all right, step away, step aside, give us
some room, cleaning up the room, and then leaving is
antithetical to our evolution. We have to figure out these things.
We have to be allowed to grow. There's no shortcuts

(39:30):
in life. And as soon as we jack you know,
we get everything cleaned up, we're going to jack it
up again. That's how we are. So until we get
to a place I believe where we're able to treat
people mutually and see if someone's hurting, that means that
we're hurting, you know, the weakest link or the chain
type of thing, we're not going to get there. And

(39:51):
so we're going to get little clues and stuff.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
You know.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I always say that, you know, right now, it's like
we're able to get to the precipice of a freeway
and we're able to see all the cars of the
future race by, and those are the UFOs that we see.
But may be a better analogy is that we are
getting teasers, not even a full trailer to what's to
come when we do see craft and when we do

(40:16):
have you know, experiences with the beans, and there's certain
amount of people that can have. This is the frustrating
thing is when I go to UFO conventions and meet
all the people there, I firmly believe that everyone here
could handle whatever would be brought and they would be
cool with it, and they would handle it responsibly. But
that's not the one percent that controls the world and

(40:38):
controls everything with regards to what gets parsed out and everything.
And so until we get to that place where we
have proper people, you know, who are in positions of power,
who are basically you know, benign and looking out for
everyone's good, we're going to be a nation that isn't

(41:00):
you know, a people that isn't you know ready yet.
But we're going to get there. I mean, that's the
good news I believe, is that we're going to get
to the finish line.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
But but I'm I'm I know that there's right now,
rumblings of another congressional hearing that's going to be happening,
and unfortunately he's having I forgot who who one of
the many congress persons is doing this. I forgot his name.
Maybe yeah, and so, but they're having trouble with whistleblowers

(41:33):
because right because of the way that you know, they
said one thing and then the government's doing another thing.
And so anyway, my point, if I have a point here,
is just to say that, you know, we've got to
be patients patient as a species, and we have to
work on ourselves before. You know. It's like it's like

(41:54):
when you're going out. So I was married for a
long time, a long time, and and now I'm on
you know, I was on dating apps and everything. In fact,
I met my current girlfriend on Tinder.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
That's how you do it now, that's.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
How you do it. It works, and and so and
Tinder isn't the you know, the hookup thing. It's just
like all of them, So don't get all excited and everything.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
You know, Yeah, no, no, it's it's it's ridiculous, but
it is the way that that people meet now. And
is is it superficial at first? Yeah, you're basing you
know it on looks and you know a couple of sentences.
But the point is to get that's to get past that.
That's also if you're at a bar, that's how you

(42:38):
judge a person you're going to go flirt with.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah, it's it's the judging the book by its cover.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Yeah, you're swiping left and right in the bar, just
in your brain, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah. And so my point is that I needed to
work on myself, Yeah, because a lot has changed since
when I was with this person and after and I
found these issues that were coming up. I didn't know
how to be with myself, you know, you you know,
it becomes this this thing that you can't help but
have like codependent issues that you go, oh, wait a second,

(43:09):
I need to do this. So, you know, I spent
you know, three years you know, being single and and everything,
and and so I was ready when it was time
to be back out there and everything and found someone
who I'm extremely happy with, and so it was Yeah,
but I had to go through that. There's no shortcuts.

(43:30):
And so it's the rub again is that there's a
bunch of us that are out here more than I
think that that we get credit for who can handle
the truth and and we'ld be able to handle it,
you know. And these experiences, whether they're like John Max
says that they have a dual alien identity, which is

(43:52):
that they're reincarnated from a planet or dimension wherever these
beings come from, and they're being abducted because they agreed
to this, right, Yeah, And the clues are really interesting
because the Beans have said time and time again, we
have every right to do this.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Well, either you made us, you created us, because that
would give you the right, or we agreed to this
either one, either.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
One, yeah, And I find that to be very interesting.
John mac is a you know, I'm in Boston, so Harvard,
and I've had Avi Lobin here and I mean, you
name it anyone in this area that's someone. But John
is obviously someone I've researched a lot into. And I
like what so for for either of those scenarios, whether

(44:39):
whether there is some sort of soul contract that we
sign and then yeah, they do have the right to
to take us if you will, or the other hand
is they are the creator and like you said, you know,
inherently you just kind of give them the right to

(45:01):
play with their creation.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
I'm gonna pause you right there, not because I'm gonna
use the restroom. There have been a lot of talk
about the Ononachy. Yes, thank you, Okay, so they yeah,
the Onanachy guys was created. I think was it?

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Sitchen or Yeah?

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Well, zach Ryichen.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
H yeah, and and he a yeah. He has mentioned
candidly about it that he was basically taking from mythology
that was every bit as credible as Apollo, Poseidon, Hades, Hercules.
I mean, all of it was was it was a mythology.

(45:47):
Here's the thing. If you come here and you create people,
that's a shitty job. Right, You're not done. We're half baked.
You couldn't maybetically we breed dogs and cats, dude, why
can't we breed out greed and corruption from and insecurity?

(46:09):
That'd be great from humans. So I'm kind of like,
come on, that's I'm not vague. I'm not buying that.
And so my feeling is that that they did.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Yeah, so you're not buying you don't think. Okay, let
me hit you with something real quick if you and
I'm not saying I don't believe in evolution, I'm not crazy, right,
I clearly evolution is a thing and we see it.
And but don't you think it's a little odd that

(46:48):
like we shed our pelts or we I mean, we
shed our fur and we stood upright, only to have
back problems to need pelts in the winter. The sun
earns us. Our biological clock is more tuned to Mars's
schedule than it is to Earth's schedule. And we seem
like we don't fit into the overall ecosystem of the

(47:11):
Earth like say a bee does. A bee has many
many a bee, you know, it takes the pollen it
and the pollinates the flower. It takes this and pollinates
the flowers. Wait, all it seems all we do is
like if we stopped creating the iPhone, if we if

(47:32):
we just paused everything and decided, all right, technologically we're
pretty good. Stop here and and we'll just do maintenance
and keep what We'll just keep making the iPhone seventeen.
But no, we can't do that. We need the next
best thing. It's it's that that constant drive to keep creating.
We take more than we give to the earth. So

(47:55):
like part of the Adanaki story that that resonates with
me is that idea that we were bred for one
thing and I don't know again.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
For one thing? What is that? What is that one thing?

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Well, if you're going to go by the story, it's
to slave mind gold to give back to them so
that they can repair the atmosphere. Do I mean is
that true? I don't know. Probably not, but it does
seem like we are a one track mind kind of species.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Okay, so we're a type O point seven species. We're
not even a type one species. There's three that have
been Again this is this is created by a Russian
who had this whole breakdown, and you can look at
our online I Want Boy with all the details of it,
and there's a belief that there's a fourth and fifth.

(48:48):
So we're not capable of any of this stuff. If
there is a species out there that can literally come
to a planet and it can seede humans, they can't
work this other shit out. Doesn't make sense. It's like
dropping the ball, like you know what, I worked on
it for a little bit. I'm done. I'm gonna go
off and do something else that is more important. So

(49:11):
here's the thing. The reason why we don't have pelts
and everything is that evolution we get smarter, and how
do you how does anyone get smarter? Curiosity and necessity,
But it's the same thing, curiosity, Oh what if you
did this? What if this? What if that? And that's
something that we share with these beans. Professor Mitchell Koku

(49:31):
and Life Beyond Earth, the newer doc says, I think
that they would look at us aliens as being ants.
And then you cut to I've got in my interview
with Dave Foley actor euthologists. Yeah, Dave goes, Yeah, it's
called entomologist, and we have them, and so they would

(49:55):
be interested. So curiosity is what propels us. So here
we are, we're going along and we can trace pretty
much where we you know, go, and we start to
make our leaps and shape and reshape and everything. And
Michael Masters can articulate this much better than I. But
then we we discover fire several times, by the way,

(50:18):
we just don't discover it once. And then someone says, hey, dude,
check out what these guys are doing this village. It's crazy.
We we see it like lightning hits. And then we
go hey, and we rub rub two things together, and
you know what's that moment like when they first rub
things together. Why are they rubbing things together? That's a
whole other.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
The spark literally.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
The spark of genius. And so we're now we don't
have to chew our food raw meat anymore, and so
we're now able to cook things. So what that does
is it alleviates the space that we need for a
real strong jaw line or jawbone and everything. And then

(50:59):
it starts to open up our skulls, which allow our
brains to get bigger and bigger. And then as we're
going along and we're able to fend off for ourselves,
we're a little bit smarter. We start to walk more
and more upright as well, and we were starting to
do that already before fire. And so it's this gradual

(51:21):
thing where we're able to take away things that we
needed to compensate, like to have pelts because we couldn't
keep warm. All that goes away and so we don't
need that anymore. So the necessity of it goes away.
And the way that evolution works is it provides for you, right,
So that's the argument for that, which is why I

(51:43):
think at the end of the day, you know, trying
because I when I started out doing these documentaries. I
was like, there from another planet. That makes sense. Then
I love Jacques Valat's book Dimension, so I'm like, oh,
they're f another dimension. And then you know, you look
at alternate universes, this and that, and then I kind
of settled on again the extra tempstrial theory Master's theory,

(52:05):
which isn't his alone, but he's He's refined.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
It popularized it for me.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
That's where I if I if someone put a gun
to my head, if an alien put a ray gun
to my head and said, hey, you guys.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Get from future, because I and I and this is
something I'm really really interested in, is because if we
look at where where a tragedy and tragedy when I
say tragedy, I mean like apocalypse level, where would that

(52:39):
Where would that likely be? And it would be our
nuclear facilities, like the the That's that's if I, if
I was a betting man, I would put money that
the end of our world or the end that what
would cause the end of the world ground zero would
be some sort of nuclear facility. And it seems that

(53:02):
these things have a very high interest in our nuclear
capabilities now, whether it's shutting weapons off like at Mie
not and Malmstrom and other places, or turning them on
and let the modern day Ukraine, former Soviet Union and
just other places. They clearly are interacting. So does something

(53:24):
happen in our future they're past that they are now
trying to fix, whether it's a genetic issue or you know,
something else. Entirely, it seems very very plausible and likely.
And that's why you'd have arrow right this organization using

(53:47):
very specific language. We don't have proof for extra terrestrial
visitation of this earth. Well, why are you using that word?
No one said to use that word. No, what the
U stands for unidentified? Why are you limiting it to
one thing? Well? I think that's because and I've had

(54:08):
Tim Phillips on and I tried to grill him on
this and he just wouldn't answer. That wording is.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Very shoots to the nails. Ye feel like a pig.
Next time you threatened to shove that.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Up there, he might be the one doing it to
me with that guy. Yeah, yeah, guys, Jesus, but you
know so, so I do. I I've always I've wanted
to talk to Mike for Michael for a long time.
He's one of the people that's on my list, and
of course you know you were on that list as well.

(54:44):
And uh, as long as I'm in the right place
at the right time, it will have sphabetical.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Right alphabetical, youbic alphabetical.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
I actually started with I'm just kidding. I won't go
that way. Uh, but so is that so gunder your head?
You think the most likely case is time travel GETS
is created in the future, whether it's by accident or
it's a subsequent feature of this propulsion system, and they're

(55:18):
back here and they're trying to potentially monitor, fix or change.
They're past our future.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
I'm so glad you asked me that, ty, because I
have all the answers, and glad you do. I'll have
a GoFundMe that'll be up there. Send me money everything
you have or you don't have.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
If you have the secret sauce and a PayPal link run.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Yes, all right? So what are the two things that
the aliens say the messaging? Two messages that they say
over and over.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Get rid of our nukes, treat the planet better.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
No, oh close, you're you're fifty for fifty. Okay, your
technology isn't helping you, not your nukes. They never say nukes.
That would be funny if they said nukes instead of
saying nuclear. Yeah, nukes, Yeah those nukes, man, those aren't cool. Dude,
you got to get rid of your technology isn't helping you.

(56:12):
So I don't know that that is a reference to
nuclear I think it's a reference to these I think
it's a reference to our smartphones or technology that we're doing.
This poses a bigger threat, much bigger threat than any
nuclear weapon. And stop in a nuclear weapon. You can

(56:35):
stop a nuclear weapon. We have deterrens to do that
to a degree, and with their power, I'm sure they
could easily do that, but we cannot stop the addiction
that the smartphone is. And so if you show up
and it's interesting that they're doing this now and they
did it at Aerial.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
School, Aura, the case is that's a perfect example.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Continue, yeah, your technology isn't helping you. And if they
showed up with the same message in say the seventeen hundreds,
you know, we would be going, as humans would be going,
what the printing press? That's not good, that's not helping us.
So it's interesting that they're talking about that during our

(57:21):
time and in like a full decade before the smartphone
comes along, which is two thousand and eight, I believe,
and so that to me is the bigger threat. We
are literally slowing down in the creation of humans. There's
a big problem with that in an Asia, very big

(57:45):
problem as well. In fact, there's belief that China is
reducing at an alarming rate and that they don't have
the billions that everyone thought that they you know, that
they did in population, and so it's making it more
difficult and so humans react. We're very kind of simple.
We're a little bit like still like lab rats, and

(58:08):
so we work off of impulses and dopamine hits. And
if you can get all of that in the palm
of your hand, are through goggles, then what are you
going to be? What is the motivator to be meeting
someone and having these real life experiences that have their

(58:29):
own dopamine hits that's going to be going away. That
to me is the scariest thing ahead of everything before
we get into the the are they from the future?

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Right? And you're right like, so it's you know, it's
kind of crazy to me. You know, I'll live in
I live in a city of course, Boston, and you know,
I was talking to this guy the other day, and
not to get off topic here, but he was saying,
like even when you used to go on like the subway, right,
there would be like some people on the like the

(58:59):
paper that the paper out, and if they had the
paper out, you know, like, hey they're reading, don't talk
to them. But it was more social like people would
talk to each other. Now you get on the train
and everybody's got headphones in and they're looking straight down
at their phone, and you know, then comes to you know,
so that's just a glimpse into it. But then you know,

(59:23):
like porn, it's on the phone. It's like it's like
that you don't even have to go out and meet anyone,
you just just want. So, yeah, there is a huge
decrease in our uh in people having kids, because why
have kids when you can play video games, drink mountain
dew and then watch the one of the most you
know arguably you know.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
And don't forget hot pockets. You got mountain and Han
hot pockets at will at the microwave. That modern technology
changes everything.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
And I used to know every single one of my
phone my friend's phone numbers. Yes, she used to know everything.
Will uh turn left right, you know highway I now,
I could barely get back to my my house without
a GPS god Thomas Guide.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
We had the Thomas Guide back in the day. Yeah, Yeah,
to help us get around.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Yeah, it's it's not great.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
It really isn't betting ourselves down.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
We're dumbing ourselves down. And so you know, ultimately it's
all going to be glasses that everyone's gonna be wearing
our contact lenses and they'll be doing yeah, and they'll
be walking down the street and yeah. And the thing
that is a little disconcerting is that the more technology
we have and the more that we infuse and imprint
into our lives, the more we're susceptible to be manipulated.

(01:00:46):
And security breaches are happening left and right with regards
to that, and so everyone every it's big brother. You know.
That's a whole other thing. But but I do want
to get back to your point, which is being time travelers.
We are going to figure out time travel. Einstein allowed

(01:01:06):
for that, and whether it's spooky physics or whatever, we're
going to figure that out. The big question are the
the present understanding is that you can't go back beyond
the time that you created the time travel machine, Well,
that makes no sense. A time is a spiral, it's

(01:01:26):
a loop. You can like a record, you can drop
in any time once you have that technology. So I
think ultimately we are going to figure that out. And
wouldn't we go back in time and look at ourselves
and if you project us out into the future, we're
becoming bold or less hairy. Our creems are getting bigger.

(01:01:49):
I asked Masters in my documentary. I said, well, what's
with the small aliens, the little worker bees? And then
we've got the six foot tall ones and he says, well,
height is an interesting thing because it changed through the
scarcity of food and where we're at and everything. So
you know that can be a sign of that fluctuation.

(01:02:10):
But we are going to our eyes are getting bigger.
You know, at some point are we going to need
the pinky because it looks like they've only got they've
been reported to only have you know, the four fingers.
But they are us. We're the fact that we're bipedal
and hama and they are as well. The odds of
that coming from another planet having the same thing. I

(01:02:31):
mean again, Mitchell kal Kub will say if they come
from another planet. Most likely the main thing they come
from life comes from his water, and so they could
look like lobster men.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
And so well, look at the Vargina speaking of James Fox, Yeah,
the way that their skin had this like slot, like
not slime, but this coating on it, and the red
eyes and then the protrusions on the head and the
sulfur smell. And then I know Marco Leal who worked

(01:03:03):
on that film with James as well, said that they
had this theory about how they how they used the
river to actually get from where the crash was to
Virginia there, and there's all these other things, and I
agree with you. And then like you got Burchett in
the news now saying that you know, he thinks that
there's five deep water basses. I think he just says

(01:03:25):
whatever the fuck he wants. But bird shit?

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Is that what you call him?

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
No? No, Birchett Burchett.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Oh, it sounded like you said bird shit, don't Tim?

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
I did not. I did not say that, Tim.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Hey, Tim, did you hear? But I just called you?
You listen to it? Pay it back?

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Yeah, I'm not you. I I don't know how to
throw those jokes you're too you're fast.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Well, here, here's the thing. I kind of find solace
in the idea that they could be from the future,
not not you calling h burshell burdshit. I find solace
in that because it means that we survive, we were
able to to, you know, succeed. There's a bite going around,
an interview bite with Spielberg where he talks about endorsing

(01:04:14):
the same thing, that they're probably from the future, and
that they're like you know, anthropologists, coming back and looking
at us and and seeing what we're doing and trying
to gently guide us. But I think that if you
go back in time and then you go back to
where you came, you're going back to the same time
and the same circumstances as when you left. You're not

(01:04:37):
going back to a different offshoot of that branch that
you helped create by changing reality.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Is to say, yeah, obviously time travel, if we are
going to go that route, we do have a few
problems with the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Yeah, the grandfather clock.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Or grandfather grandfather paradox. Yeah, but and and do I
I don't. I don't even know if that's as important
for us right now. But more so, understanding the ideas
and the whyse right, why would they be quote unquote

(01:05:19):
abducting us? Right? I think I think that this, this
future human hypothesis, it does fit very well into kind
of checking off the boxes of of the UFO lore,
if you will. And but what would you say that
means about like cryptids and stuff and and the paranormal?

(01:05:42):
Have you looked into any of that?

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
No, I've not met a kryptoid cryptocurrency. I'm I'm a
little bit invested in Is that what you're asking you're
asking my right, No, it's yeah. I mean, oh, there's
there's high strangeness that comes with the phenomenon that's been
going on forever and it doesn't get a lot of

(01:06:08):
airplay unfortunately. And so with regards to you know, like
I said to Masters when I was interviewing him, mi co, Hey,
how come no one talks about reptilian hybrids. They only
talk about gray hybrids. Doesn't that help your case that
the grays would be from the future? And He's like yeah,

(01:06:30):
And then he said, you know, you could basically hook
up with a sheep, but you're not going to get
a sheep man. So the odds of someone from another
planet coming here and being able to p procreate with
us is even more remote, and so it would make sense.
But again no one says, oh yeah, then I was,

(01:06:52):
you know, confronted with my reptilian hybrid, you know son.
No one talks about that, nor do they talk about
the mantis, you know, and no one said that there's
a big foot, you know, hybred out there, which would
be pretty cool. Yeah, but anyway or terrifying or terrifying.
So I think that they're from Yeah, I think that

(01:07:14):
they're from the future. And you know, the things that
that I look at, it's kind of like, yeah, because
I worked on all these crime shows. Dude, it's almost
like I have to have a mental board where I'm
taking yarn and I'm stretching it from one clue to
another and everything. And I look at all these things
and I go, Okay, they say we have every right

(01:07:35):
to do this to you. What does that mean? And
you try to stitch it all together. But I see
that that what they're doing is, you know, with the
hybrid program, it's you know, the at first blush, you go, oh, well,
they're doing this because we're going to be entering to

(01:07:57):
something where we're going to have to change our physiology. Actually,
before that, we might be saying, well, their planet this
is this is the narrative ice to hear. Their planet
is dying, and so they want to continue through us,
and I'm like, who gives a ship? Why would you
want to do that? It's like you're going to change
yourself completely to continue. Well, you're not going to be
continuing because you're going to be now human.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
You're going to be changing. Yeah, it doesn't make any.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
That makes that doesn't make any sense to me. So
then it's it's we're not pro creating again. This is
Master's thing that we're not pro creating enough. And if
we continue going out and projecting out, then what happens
is that we become very ancestrious ancestral and uh, and

(01:08:42):
we end up needing more gene supplies. Otherwise everyone ends
up playing the banjo if you're a fan of the
movie Deliverance. And so it really becomes actually, yeah, that
we have a bigger gene poll and the best way
to do that is to go back and take amplings
from previous like us and chroman, because we have chrome

(01:09:04):
mag and in us which helps us.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it would make sense that. Yes,
the and I actually you know that it would make
sense to a degree of why generational abduction happens, right,

(01:09:27):
because you'd want to you'd kind of the bloodline idea, right,
is you you're if you find one that that that works,
you're going to continue with that bloodline. So that that's
interesting to me. I mean, what what do you I

(01:09:48):
mean across your interviews that you've done aside from this
future human hypothesis, Uh, like, did you did you notice
any other consistent themes, are patterns or anything that would
suggest like a structured or interventional Uh. You know why

(01:10:09):
behind these encounters?

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Well, it's interesting, right because they are warning us. Well,
you don't warn someone if they're on a train and
the end of the tracks drops off into an abyss.
There's nothing they can do, so why warn them? So
to me, that's a hopeful message. You say, hey we
can we're taking your genes and stuff. We need your genes.
But by the way, just does a solid for you.

(01:10:34):
I'll tell you I saw the end of the tracks
and you need to slow your role now and pull over.
And so until that happens, when we start listening to that,
we're you know, it's falling on deaf ears, and so
that in and of itself is a test for humanity.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Why not not a president then and just tell.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Him, Yeah, but what's the president going to do? Is
he going to come out and say, all right, so
I talked to the aliens and here's what they said. Good,
good luck with that. I always like to play a
scenario out where the perfect version of disclosure used to
be one of of an example of the movie when

(01:11:15):
the Earth Stood's Still, and so you get a UFO
that lands lands on the White House lawn and this
being comes out, well, from what we hear across the board,
they all communicate telepathically, and so that would mean that
a representative from the White House the administration would come
out and they would like listen and then turn with

(01:11:36):
their microphone to the cameras you know, Fox, CNN, all
of them, and they would say, all right, so here's
what this guy just said. It's a guy, right, what
is your pronoun? And they'd have to find at the
pronoun of the aliens. Yeah, it could be they want
to refer to as them are just gray anyway, So
then they've got to translate that. But there's gonna be

(01:12:00):
people are going to say, accuse them of manipulating what
the message is because we're not hearing it. So does
that mean the alien's going to have to go on
an old whistle stop tour, you know, on the trains
throughout the whole country and and communicate to those people
person by person? Like what is the reach of telepathy
if you a stadium, can you you know, reach out

(01:12:21):
to a stadium of people and telepathically communicate with them?
I don't know, right, So there's problems within that type
of a full disclosure because that's the only full disclosure
to total disclosure that you're going to get. And so
I think it's uh a paramount that that we look

(01:12:45):
at that that evidence and say what what is it
that we ultimately want? And so when I think of disclosure,
it's not a total disclosure, sorry to say. I think
what's feasible or realistic is to get more footage. It's
to be able to see than nuts and bolts. It's

(01:13:06):
two things, dude. It's to see the nuts and bolts.
And we have great photographs and phenomenal footage that the
government has that they're sitting on. That's not debatable anymore.
We've had politicians who have seen it and have mentioned it,
and so we know it's there. And the excuse that

(01:13:26):
the government has had for not showing it to us,
one of the excuses is, well, we don't want our
enemies to be able to reverse engineer it. And I'm like, wait,
hold on here. Supposedly you've got crash retrieval programs that
gets these you know, get these crafts whether they're functioning
or not, and you're trying to fix them, and you

(01:13:47):
can't effectively reverse engineer it to the point that we're
able to get that technology into planes and current stuff
that we have right now. But because they had a
whole problem, and the whole Bob blazaar, you know, mythology
is all that he was there and they were trying
to work on this in the eighties, nineties, et cetera.
So we could look at a picture and actually figure

(01:14:09):
out how to reverse engineer this. Well, you know what
if I go back in time and I show my
my smartphone two, yeah, just one hundred years ago and say, hey,
they'll never figure out how this frickin thing, right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
They might get it to turn on, they might turn.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Yeah maybe well yeah, yeah, but to get them to
figure out how to swipe left or right. I don't
know if that's possible, but but so so then the
question is then where do we where do we land
uh with that? Where do we ultimately you know, end

(01:14:47):
up with this technology?

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
And yeah, go ahead, well where do we ultimately end up?
And you know what, what do you think of? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Sorry, I didn't even finish my point. So so that's
the first that's the first level of this, which is
that technology. Then then the next next one for a disclosure,
is going to be the beans that we've got debris
of humans, not humans, but humanoids whatever we want to
call them. And so that to me is very uh boy,

(01:15:24):
that's that's a slippery slope because once you open that
Pandora's box, you know that toothpaste is an't going back
in there. So we're going to show We're going to
show the UFOs, We're going to show them to the aliens,
to to humans and have them look at them and everything.
I would love that. But then do we make that

(01:15:47):
available to everyone so that we can be looking at
the genetics of this, the makeup, and are we going
to do something with that? Are we going to take
the alien bodies, and are we going to like we're
doing with and we're close to it with the Woolye
mammoth and bring it back. So what we bring back
this alien? It's dicey, dude, And we're not even talking

(01:16:08):
about the abductions. The government's never going to admit that
there's never a way to absolve them and say no.
And by the way, why don't the aliens show up,
hire a really good PR firm and say, look, we
need some humans for some stuff that we're doing. And

(01:16:29):
there's this thing it's we don't like to discuss it.
It's a probing thing that happens at the back and
that's part of it. But other than that, it's a
little scary. But you know, we'll give you a lollipop
at the end. And are there any volunteers. I am

(01:16:49):
willing to admit that there's going to be a line
that'll go from here to New York of people going,
sign me up, let's do it. At least I get
a chance to talk and commune with you and everything.
I'm good to go. But they don't do that. So
what does that tell you? They're taking people who, for
the most part at the beginning do not want this.

(01:17:10):
But I've been to plenty experience or support groups, and
I filmed it one and that's going to be in
my new documentary coming next year. And I got to
tell you. I asked them, I said, how many of you,
if you could go back in time and have this
not happened to you, how many of you would want that?
No one raised their hand. No one. And I'm in
a room of like eighteen people.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Not a single one which would not do it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
No, even though it's been terrifying and a reality shattering experience,
none of them would do that. So there's easier ways
to get volunteers for this. Well, first of all, to
get volunteers period would be a good idea. So there's
all these things are a little clues, you know that

(01:17:56):
we've got to kind of factor in the ultimate you know,
recipe for what's you know, being baked by these beings?

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Right, that's a that's actually I don't think I've ever
had someone pose that pose it like that. That's very
very interesting, you know that you say that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
That'll happen sometimes with me, Yeah, a lot. Occasionally I'll
say something right, no, No, it is something of interest
pretty profound.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
Actually, I mean, so your newest, your newest film, it
zooms out to the you know, the cosmic scale. You
know what evidence or ideas convinced you specifically that life
beyond Earth is not it's not just possible, but but

(01:18:44):
it's but it's likely.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Statistically, it's impossible for their not to be life beyond
this planet. In in the only perspective which came out
in January, that question I asked the chief Deputy of
the Test Program, which is NASA's search before we had

(01:19:14):
the amazing James telescope. This was the technology that they had.
And I said to her, and this is a doctor,
Alisa Quintana. I said, what happens when NASA finds that
solar system, finds that planet, you know, with a dice

(01:19:35):
in sphere and everything or a light credit night, what
happens then? What do you guys do then?

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
Protocol?

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Yeah? And she started to get the giggles and I
go what And she says, you know, we focus on
the next flagship technology, but we don't have any protocol
when it comes to actually seeing something when we do
and I started we're both laughing. I'm going, wait, what

(01:20:03):
that's like building railroad tracks and not having yeah, and
not having an idea of what how to stop the train.
It makes no it makes no sense. And I said, well,
who would have that? And and she suggested, well, SETI
as much as people bemoan them do have a program

(01:20:26):
a protocol. And so now I'm going to interviews so
Sad shows that yeah, yeah, and ask him about it
and uh and find out what the protocols and so
it's it's just really interesting that that, you know, again,
that's a sign of us humans not thinking things all

(01:20:47):
the way through. And that's at a high, high high level.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
Yeah, right, right right, And I know we have about
seven minutes left. Listen. I really want to do a
part two with a part two and three and four
and probably five, and you know I could. I just
definitely for some reason, when I interview someone, I know

(01:21:11):
if I would gel with them in a way. And
and you're just one of those people that, uh you
really just you're able to roll really well and spa
pretty well. So you know, if you ever needed uh
you know, help with your with your films, I got experience. Uh. So, anyway,

(01:21:32):
do you think that there's a lot of people that
are religious Uh, they have religious ideology. Uh. And and
you know those people end up in the government, they
end up in the military, they end up in positions
of power, whether it's the church. Yeah, YadA, YadA, YadA.

(01:21:53):
You know, don't you think by by definition angels, demons,
what our ancestors called God odds, By definition, that's non
human intelligence with faster than light travel and meets all
that criteria. So I mean, have you looked into that
side of it and what do you think? Well, same term,

(01:22:18):
just different lens.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Yeah. It's interesting because in Life Beyond Earth, the new doc,
we talk about first of all, we look at meta material,
this exotic material, and we do a breakdown of that,
and we go to Caltech. We're not going to someone
who is a professor, but they're not a professor an
extraterrestrial material, which is who professor Tusso frontcois whoso is

(01:22:46):
at cal Tech. That's all this guy does is he
looks at meteorites, he looks at at comets material that
we've had. He knows it better than anyone on the planet.
In fact, he's he's revolutionized analysis of this technology and
been able to pinpoint things that others could not so
we had him look at it. So that's one component
of that. But we also, in addition to taking down

(01:23:12):
a a UFO carpetbagger who's has a long history. I
don't want to give it, give it away, but who's
been putting this agenda one of the more crazier stories forward,
we actually debank it with photographic evidence. But the most
important thing, and the reason why I mentioned it, is

(01:23:33):
we look into downloads. And so we're looking at downloads
as an example, our space program and the Russia's Russians
space program, we're all created by two characters, two people
who believe that they got the technology in part from extraterrestrials.

(01:23:54):
And so you can call it muse, you can call
it whatever. But you know, Paul McCartney wakes up with
the song yesterday in his head, fully formed, not the
lyrics but the melody, fully formed. That was a gift.
I mean, how do four lads from Liverpool, middle class,
lower middle class neighborhood change music as we know it

(01:24:16):
without having some intervention going on, even in the arts.
So I feel like these you know, downloads and being
affected and getting this information. It's been coming forever and
it's shaped things, and so when it comes to religion,

(01:24:36):
we can find like the Jesus story has been repeated
twelve times, this is the thirteenth iteration of it, all
through the ages, where someone's born in a manger and
there's apostles and everything, the same story, the Crucifixion, everything.
So you know, we're storytellers. We've been doing that since

(01:24:56):
caveman time, and we've been drawing them on walls since right,
So I feel like, you know, it's part of a
rationale for things. Why is there this sun, why is
it sometimes snow on the ground. Why we look for
reasons and so until science shows up and says, oh,
here's the reason why. Well, we got to come up
with something because humans do not like dangling modifiers when

(01:25:19):
it comes to understanding how life works. So we do that.
So when people start folding religion into this, it makes
me a little nervous. Loue Elizondo has told me about
when he would brief some of these people, these these generals,
and a chunk of them would come up and say
a few of them would come up and say, you know,
you're doing God's work, and others would say, you know,

(01:25:41):
they're demons, right, these beings. Yeah yeah, and that's their
dogma that they were raised into. And so I'm agnostic. Dude.
It's like, show me the money. I need to see
the evidence and stuff. But I don't believe that, you know, man,
is you know I don't. Well, first of all, I don't.

(01:26:03):
I don't think that that it's possible for us to
be born with sin. So why we have to already
be at a deficit that we come into this? You know,
when I saw my daughter when she was born, everything,
I look at this pure child and I go, sitting
will come later. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
I know you're right though, but we.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Have to be allowed to stumble. We learn nothing from
success zero. We only learn from our failures. They're not yeah,
they're not failures. They are steps to get us to
where we want to go. And so because we're tenacious,
we're tenacious people, we will get there. I have every
bit of faith that we will get there. But to

(01:26:43):
wield any kind of religion or spirituality or belief against
others is unconscionable, And you need a question if someone's
doing that, Just just do your own inner compass and
know that you know that things happen for a reason
doesn't always have to be the fantastical, and that I

(01:27:06):
think at the end of the day, it did. It
really comes down to that one thing, which is treat
people as you want to be treated. Yeah, you know, yeah,
and yeah, and the other thing lastly I just want
to say, which is with regards to you know, the environment.
As a father, I'm gravely concerned with where we're going

(01:27:28):
and I feel like anything we can do, and especially
if you're in the UFO community, I believe that you
support that agenda, that you're not going to ignore what
these beings are telling us, right, because it's only two
things that we're really getting specifically that are repeat comments,
you know, help technology not being great for us, and
helping the planet. I think if we don't endorse anyone

(01:27:51):
who wants to help the planet, then why are we
following these these advanced beings. Why are we listening to them?
We should be shunning them. If you don't believe that,
you should, like you get your UFO community membership card
thrown out. If if you're uh the belief that you
know that we're not doing that right, the damage, I mean,

(01:28:14):
we already see it in people not successfully pro creating anymore.
The the sterile artifacts of that is just you know,
through the roof, it's through.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
And it's and it's crazy. I know you're going to
get out. Uh if if there's one if, what's one
thing after everything you've seen and learned? Uh, you know what?
What keeps you up at night right now?

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Oh? Sorry, it does not. It does not keep me
that does That would do the opposite, I would, yeah, yeah, right.
What keeps me up at night is the question of
what is it all about? I want to know what
the third act is. I want to know what we're

(01:29:01):
ultimately going to be experiencing. It excites me. The what
ifs a third of my ips, the stories that I create.
I mean right now I'm pivoting from documentaries. I'm going
to probably take a break. I've got two more documentaries
coming out next year, and then I'm going back into
doing fiction where I can take the things that I've

(01:29:24):
learned and I can infuse them in stories and take
them to the next level that I'm not seeing played out.
And so Spielberg is doing that right now with his
new film that's going to be coming out next I
believe it's June twelfth, It's going to be epic. That's
all I have to say. But yeah, so I'm excited
about doing that. I'm excited about taking what I've learned

(01:29:45):
and then putting it again into a kind of wish
fulfilm at situation that is exciting to me. And so
taking everything I've learned, I feel like I've gone as
far as I can. And occasionally I still have things
that me but that that I hear, So you know,
I still want to be, uh, you know, a part
of an active part of the community.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
I gotta we should talk, man, I gotta, I got.
I got something I wrote and it would it almost
pays homage to your first film. So all your links
will be in the description below. Both the air movies
are available on Amazon. And that is the Alien Perspective

(01:30:27):
and is it Life Beyond Earth.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Yeah, the new one, Life Beyond Earth, which is kind
of a part two to the first one. You don't
need to see, uh have to see the first one
to see the second one. But Life Beyond Earth is
the one that is the most recent one and has
some has some great mic drops in that as well.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
Well. Thank you for everything that you do, Dane. I
know you got to get a get on the road.
So I would love to have you back on many
I think we have a much larger conversation to have. Uh,
and I just again thank you for thank you for
doing this and you know for every and out there.
Definitely get over to Amazon and watch watch these movies

(01:31:05):
because uh, you know you will not you will not
be disappointed.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Thank you, Jam, thank you brother, appreciate this is fun.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
Oh man, all right, we'll do it again sometime, right,

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