“Ancient Artifacts That Shouldn’t Exist: Michael Forest on Alien Carvings, Lost Civilizations & Forbidden History”

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Tonight on total disclosure. We're joined by a man whose
tireless pursuit of truth is reshaping.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
How we view our ancient past. Michael Forrest, researcher, author,
and documentarian, has spent the last five years diving deep
into the mysteries that conventional history tends to ignore, with
six published books and the library of compelling documentaries freely
available on his YouTube channel, Alien Carving Michael's work brings

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forward a growing body of evidence that could rewrite human history.
The heart of tonight's discussion are the explosive discoveries coming
out of Mexico, over ten thousand artifacts dot defy mainstream
timelines and raise pretty urgent questions about who we are,
where we came from, and what's been hidden in plain sight?

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Are these remnants of an unknown civilization? A lost civilization?
Are the myths we've inherited, echoes of something real, something
that we've forgotten, like Graham Hancock says, we're a species
with amnesia. Together, we'll explore the implications of these ancient anominies,
the suppression of alternate history, and the possibility that advanced

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technology once flourished long before our textbooks suggest. This is
more than archaeology. It's a challenge to the narrative. Welcome
to total disclosure. All right, welcome back, Man.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
It's good to have you.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
I say, welcome back, but welcome to the show.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Mike, it's good to have We talked a little earlier,
so I know what you meant.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, So this is a show that I definitely wanted to.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
I wanted to get it done before contact in the desert,
because I think it's something that not only is it
like really popular right now in the UFO community, and
just the all the related you know, uh phenomena if
you will. All the talk has been about these these

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discoveries of artifacts, and you know the community is always
up against this battle of show me the evidence, right,
So here we have, you know, a very unique opportunity
to maybe talk about both.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
And uh so I just want to first bite start
by can you give us a little bit of history,
but who you are and what is going on that
people are talking about when it comes to these discoveries.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah. Absolutely, I'm a business owner up here in Washington
state I've lived. I was born and raised in Idaho
and never really believed in aliens or had any paranormal experiences.
In my early years, I you know, came into this.
I've been a gem collector, however, crystals and rock specimen.
My grandpa was a minor, so that was always something

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I frequented, was the gem shows. And my wife cuts opals.
So you know, my good friend he came over one
day and I said he was going down to the
Tucson Gem show, and when he got back, he had
some stuff he wanted to show me, you know, he
asked if I was looking for anything, and I told
him a few things, and carving specifically, because I'd been
collecting little dragons and different things out of you know,

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different sapphires and such. And so when he went down there,
he had found a gentleman named Mark Russell who had
a booth and as an archaeologist who was on Scott
Walter's America Unearthed. And he told him there that he
had carbon dates, showed him the pictures there that Scott
had done for him, and he had found these artifacts
all over in Jalisco, Mexico, and a place mostly near

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this place called a Wailo Stealisco. And so I'd done
some brief research looking at things. I found an interview
with Nasim Harriman and Klaus's Dona on the internet, and
obviously Scott's show with compelling evidence. And however I just
didn't believe it, you know, I could not believe it.
My friend was sitting there at my kitchen table with

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ten thousand year old artifacts. Just if that was coming
out of the ground. I figured every person who was
a scientist and a researcher of anything historical would be
intrigued in all over this, and so I just didn't
believe it. And I actually shook his hand for five
thousand dollars at the table that I could prove it
wrong and prove it to be a modern hoax because
I just really didn't believe it. However, I really liked

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the pieces, and so it gave me a reason to
collect a few of them and buy a few of them,
you know. And as I started to go down the hole,
I reached out to people like Linda Moulton Howe and
Billy Carson and a lot of different famous people. Graham
Hancock got a lot of ghosting, which I know these
people are very busy. But one person like Linda Moulton
how She returned my call and actually had been to
Stanford Research Institute with these tablets from It was not

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from a way those Steelisco, but another part of Mexico
called the Miko CHOHn and there's a lot of different
looking pieces like these big jade tablets that come from there.
And you know, Stanford Research Institute saw that there was
mythological looking characters like Bapple Mint on this tablet, and
they said that they weren't even going to do the test.
They almost laughed at her and you know, kind of

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humiliated her in front of these people. And so she
said that she was pretty you know, hesitant on it,
but what she saw that we had was something really special,
she said, and she wanted to look more into it.
We spent quite a few months going back and forth,
and then all of a sudden, at contact in the
desert of all places, you know, she had asked me
if she if I wanted to be on her Earth files,
and nothing ever came of is she she completely ghosted

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me on this, and so I just didn't understand why,
and you know, I've gone and just basically had to
do all this research myself. No one in the industry
or any archaeologists would help me. I gave books to
John Hoops and a lot of different people, just trying
to get some input or some validity of whether this
was real or not. And there were some books that
were published by Oleg Elstrov that were quite compelling that

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had not just carbon dating, but thermoluminescent dating that was
consistent with you know, thousands of years old all over
the map. And so as I began to research this more,
we found a place called Tula Hill Dalgo and there
was a company Jen Six Productions who was owned by
Steve quail that was doing a documentary down in the
Mi Coach on there at Lake Quitzel, and then they

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had heard that there was pieces also like this coming
out of Tula near the pyramids. There there was a
corn farmer who had property and as they would till
their fields, they would find stuff. In the early two thousands,
the Inah came out there and did some excavations and
they took all these pieces. Well, the grandkids wanted to
see the pieces, and when they went in to show
them at the Inah, the ironh treated them like they

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had no idea who they were, said that they'd never
turned in any pieces or had any record of this documentation,
and it really frustrated him. So he contacted Steve Quayle.
They came out there and started doing this documentary. They
dug down to the fifteen foot level. They used gprs
and geo radars over ten different kinds to you know,
look at the ground so they could make sure that
it hadn't been dug into prior because you can see,

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you know, if it's loose, if it's proper and if
the rest of the ground around it's packed in the
same fashion. And so they documented all this very clearly
and released this documentary here a couple of years back.
But they only got down to the fifteen foot level
and you know, showed these pieces. There wasn't any further
evidence at that time. And however, they did find a
ground floor at that fifteen foot level, I mean, a

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solid pack lore like and they didn't have the money
to keep going unfortunately, so they had to, you know,
put this out and that was the end of it
for Gen six. So far, they haven't gone back or
done anything else, and so that kind of left it
in you know, the guys down there that owned the
property in my hands to try to figure out what
they found. And so we got the money together and

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they went and re rented the equipment and got down
there to that fifteen foot level and that's when things
got really interesting. It broke open and literally an entire
cave system opened up in front of them. And so
the next month and a half two months, I mean,
it was every day with new discoveries. They found pieces
with Ananaki evidence, with extraterrestrial evidence UFOs, all kinds of

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symbology that just I mean star of Banana and Venus
and all these type of things, and so it was
it was quite interesting. The biggest part for me, though,
was is that on the sides of these caves walls
as well as on the entrance are petroglyphs of aliens.
That absolutely, I mean, I've have never seen carving like

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this before, let alone. It was definitely not done yesterday
because this is bedrock that was I mean, it's on
our website if you're curious. But it's very interesting to
see petrock glyphs and that that's what kind of drove
the nail in the coffin to make me write.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
My books, you know, right, And I mean you know
some of the some of the pictures you sent me.
At first, I like I really had to look because
I was like.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Wait a second, these I mean, this isn't like, oh,
that kind of looks like what we would say an
alien is.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
No, it looks.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Too identical, too coincidental, to the point where it's like, well, no, no, no,
that's not that. I had to like check. I was like,
is this ai? Is this real?

Speaker 5 (10:55):
And yeah, I mean you know I'm going off of
you know, I always give people the benefit out here.
I have some of the pictures here. I mean it's
it's astonishing. I mean we got these.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
Ones where there's some workers digging, So what what is that? What? What?
What's that is that about?

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, this is about ten feet down there's a pyramid
that started popping through, and as they continued to go down,
there was a sarcophagus as well as a whole in
setting and what we believe this is like a tombstone
or a headstone, and they cleared out the entire top.
It's still under excavation underneath. But down you know, once
they clear that out of there, there was all these

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tablets that literally show what what looked like stories right
out of the Book of Enoch. I mean there's there's
all the Egyptian characters, the elo keen looking beings and
and uh so it's funny you say that with the
alien situation, you know, you look back to who documented
the first gray alien. It actually goes back to an
occultist named Alistair Crawley who had an extreme in Egypt.

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So it's kind of an interesting coincidence that the United
Kingdom claimed him to be the most dangerous man in
America and we have this topic that seems like it
has a brick wall in front of it, and you know,
it's it's very it's it's hard to argue at this
point of what we're seeing. It's it's these aliens are
there's tons of different species and races. There's some with wings,
there's some that have feet, there's some that have the

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specter like a Latin genie type tales like you would
hear with a gin. You all these things in our
mythology we're seeing on these pieces, and like on that
one you just showed with that sarcophagus, there there's a
beard that goes down there and it looks just like
the Faro beard that King Tut the fifteen year old
boy has strapped on his chin. And if you look

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at why they did that and strap this beard on,
it was actually to emboldenize their their creators in Chemic
and so you know, it's interesting to see these creator
type beings who were you know, full of surrounded by
alchemical symbols and different sorts of occult tools. Pieces from Egypt,
I mean, we find jed pillars, we find the the

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rattle of of Hathor, we find you know, obviously anks
and fine cones and and all the different things that
you would see, even depictions of rings within rings and
that sort of thing like is explained in the Book
of Ezekiel.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
So right, it's right, yeah, And I mean so one
of the things that I always say is that you know,
I really do. I think there's this divide and and
it's this this mainstream you know, really this mainstream narrative

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that if you know that that you know, this is
when civilization came up. This is when civilization went from
hunter gatherer to uh to like and uh the next
level and the next level and the next level, you know, and.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
If you challenge that narrative, you are now someone who
is against the narrative. So you know, you're you're not
just challenging the the the dates, you're challenging uh, mainstream
science and most people, I mean Grand Hancock is a
good example of you know what when that goes right,

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But oftentimes that is not the case. And yeah, main
mainstream science beats people down into this you know, very stigmatized,
isolative uh bubble.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
So you know, these discoveries go unchecked because people write
them off because uh quote unquote mainstream scientists says no,
there's no way, and you know that that is just
that's so stupid.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah. The prime examples there in NASCAR mummies, the Roberts
just underneath the sphinx paw. You know, there's quite a
few of the and these are mainstream scientists like Robert Shock,
a PhD, who is trying to say that there's logical
science here and no one really has anything other than false, false,
positive prone responses. And that's the tough part. I mean,

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Giorgio Suclos just came out against us, saying that everything
that we're showing is one hundred percent fake for sure.
And for him to claim that is really odd because
first of all, he's not an archaeologist, he's a BA
in sportscasting. And second of all, he hasn't laid any
hands or anything. So to go off of pictures and
just immediately claimed within one hundred percent certainty that something

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is false, it almost seems like they're attacking something that
might be a threat or in challenge to their narrative.
And if you look at the shows that this man
owns and helps run with Prometheus, it's interesting because they're all,
you know, prolonged things like Skinwalker, Wrench and Oak Island.
You know, they want lots of seasons and they don't
ever want this to end.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
So, but that's the fuck.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
The biggest fucking crazy thing is don't you think someone
like Giorgio, who does have a vested interest in ancient
alien hypothesis, why wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
He look at this and be like, I want to
know more?

Speaker 5 (16:22):
So, you know, the guy who's profiting, whose show is
ran for nineteen goddamn seasons on History Channel, which talks about,
you know, the all this stuff, why was he so
quick to dismiss this?

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, and the same with the Buga sphere immediately says
it's fake again and no research given. I know the
team that has it to him and Massam and team,
and I mean there's a lot of science that's already
been proven on this that continually defies what we know.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
You know, you're talking about these spheres, right.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
The bugas sphere that they found, that aluminum one that
I mean it looks like one of those orbs that's
flying around. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
Yeah, So that I find really interesting because we do
have video of metal, metal, metallic looking spheres flying around
and they it defies.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
I mean what we know to be conventional, you know,
conventional aerodynamics, of course, but there's a lot of lore
on those things.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
So I mean, what do you think of that?

Speaker 4 (17:28):
What do you think of those spheares? Do you think
they're some sort of oaks? Are?

Speaker 1 (17:33):
We absolutely have, like you said, concrete evidence, even on
Skinwalker Ranch, they've documented flying spheres on that show with
their equipment, and not only that, but artists rendering it
and it had this this band around the center of it.
And I mean, so does the buga spheeres? So again
to dismiss something like this, like you said, if you're
invested in this topic, this should be the bread and

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butter of your future going forward. You should want to
eat up every bit of this uh and and make
shows about it. And if it's not right, you could
make shows about disproving it, just to give your topic
and your show more credibility. But instead, you know, I
mean I read through the comments before that they were
taken down, and I mean he was getting beat up
over this this statement. So it's really interesting that someone

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would take a swing like that at these topics for
what reason, you know, right, So.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
I want to when did you okay, And because I
know you said it and we talked about it a
little bit already, but I mean, you come into this
this subject pretty skeptical. And when I say skeptical, I mean,
are you talking about UFOs that you're skeptical that they exist?

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Or this idea that.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
You know, there's this race of beings that you know,
the on Anaki story, right, that they genetically mutate human
or Homo sapiens to create Homo sapiens sapien, you know,
and they have a direct role that we were created.
There's planet X are you were you skeptical of that

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or are you skeptical of all of it?

Speaker 1 (19:14):
I was skeptical of well. I mean for most of
my adult life, until I was like thirty seven, I
was skeptical of all spiritual religion whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
You know.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
I always felt something when I performed music, and whenever
I get into music deeply, like there's a spiritual connection there.
So I know there's something, you know, But as far
as the stories that we have in the books that
we have, I just couldn't buy into any of it.
And I just felt like I was being lied to
and trying to be controlled and manipulated whenever I go
to church. And so as far as the UFOs and

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the Anonachi story, I believed in the Ananachi story most
likely or thought that that could be a very well
logical explanation of how we got where we were because
our chromosones mutated two undred fifty thousand years ago. There's
a king's list that's two hundred fifty thousand years ago,
and and to get everything balanced and in perfect synchronicity
like we have. I mean, it's not just an accident.

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The Goldilocks zones that we have on this planet are
so vast, you know, you take one, just like the bees.
And Albert Einstein how he said that we couldn't survive
without them. I mean that's significant engineering it at the
highest level. So something like that made sense to me.
But I didn't think that they were necessarily the aliens
that they were showing on you know, Third and Eten

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or any of these movies per se like aliens movies.
I really thought it was more of a spiritual type
thing like the Ananaki. And when I read through Zacharia
Sitchen's work when I started researching this, you know, the
planet X thing was really I'm still very skeptical of it.
I think that they might actually be talking about heaven,
and so in order to publish things on these topics,
it seems like when you bring religion into it, it

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becomes a minefield. And so I think some of these
authors and some of these people who did these early
translations had to be very careful so they didn't destroy
the balance of what we've came to know was our religions.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
That's a very good point. It's a very that's a
very valid point, because you know, religion is a funny thing.
Religion is a funny thing because obviously people live and
die by it, literally like literally live.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
And die by it, so you know, and you kind
of see it in these Renaissance paintings as well, or
you know, even paintings from before that.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
You know, let's take the picture of the baptism, the
Baptism of.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
Christ right where John John the Baptist is is in
the river Jordan with with Christ baptizing him, and there's
a you know, beam coming down from what they called
a cloud, but it's clearly looks like a flying saucer,
and it's depicted that way in the painting, and you like,

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I mean, you do ask yourself like, is this all
just misidentified you know technology, and when we say gods
and they or when they said gods, did they mean
what we mean when we talk about quote unquote aliens
and what we think is to.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Our people alien? Right? So what evidence?

Speaker 5 (22:21):
You know, what what among the evidence has really swayed
you to the fact that we're dealing with the Bible
stories and there's.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
At least truth to some of it.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
I mean, we found Troy, we found you know, we
think we found Sodom and Gomorrah in places, so we
know that there is truths.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
We know that there was most likely a flood. What
other what what evidence really like brought you to the
other side? Well, I thought I just heard something in here,
dude knocking and there's nobody here. Yeah, oh all right,

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I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
No, as far as the evidence go, you know, I think, well,
it was actually reading the Book of Knowledge by JJ
Hurtok that slapped me in the face the hardest here.
You know, I didn't know where to start. I didn't know,
you know, I've tried to read the Bible. It's very confusing.
All this is before AI. AI makes it a lot

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easier now to ask questions, but nonetheless, having questions is tough.
And and I started reading that book here, someone an archaeologist,
reached out to me and said that that these pieces
resemble that book very very much and that I needed
to look at it, and so I immediately went and
found it. And I mean, it's hard to even explain

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because it's it was wrote back in nineteen seventy three,
but the synchronicity and how deep it goes is deeper
than I mean, anything I've ever encountered in my lifetime.
Still to this day, it's Biblical on that proportion, no question.
And the type of gomatria and stuff that's written into
this thing is I mean, it's a beautiful piece of work,

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and so things like that. I think once I started
to see these pictures and I started to believe that
this was genuine, then those books were like a seed
planted in my mind that I just had to I
had a hard time to refute it. You know, when
I was a young man, you know, twenty years ago,
I was addicted to painkillers and I thought I was
going out. I did not think I was going to

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make it through this incredibly tough time, and I didn't
believe in anything at the time, and I actually I
was so desperate. I got on my knees and I
reached out for help and I apologized for everything that
I had done. And from that moment on now everything
is slightly shifted, you know, And I can't argue that
that I've gravitated towards this topic and doing different things

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that have been emboldened to myself. Every day, like every
day was this progressive forward if I wanted it to be,
and before that it just seemed like it was a
progressive backward. And so these little pieces have definitely been
a chip on my shoulder to give me faith on
that uncondition level. And seeing now what we see with
all the pieces having Saturn on them and researching Saturn,

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looking at Jordan Maxwell's work and some of these others
with Saturn specifically going into the Jewish religion, into the
Muslim religion, and it's everywhere, even in the Catholic religion.
And so we have this Saturn thing where the Romans
came from in terms of what they believed. And I
think that that's a really important thing because, like we

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were talking earlier, why would you attack certain things without
science unless there was something that you didn't want to
come from it. And so if you look at all
the cancel culture in this world and all the things
they've pushed away, you start looking at those as a
possibility of oh, maybe they were trying to hide this
from us. It starts clicking real quick. And the Demiurge

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with the Gnostics and the early Coptics, this story of
the demiurge, if you place Saturn as the demiurge, and
you place the Divine Mother or the Sofia, the isis
whatever you want to call her, as the creator of
this thing, and that we're trapped here. You know, even
in the even in the scientology, they believe in a
similar concept to the Demiurge, where we're trapped here and

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you look at someone's work like Stanley Kubrick with eyes
wide shut and how much ridicule. I mean, he may
have lost his life over this movie. They cut seventy
some minutes of it and wouldn't show it to us,
and it very well could expose this this elite that
knows the truth that we're talking about right now, which
is disclosure. And what disclosure is? Is it aliens from
another planet or is there our ancient past that's been

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hidden from us. And that's kind of the question I
leave it at now for myself is I don't know,
you know.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
And that's the you know that that is one of
the craziest aspects of this whole thing in my in
my experience, you know, similar to yours, I was, I
am an alcoholic.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
I just don't drink anymore, you know. I had my
own experiences. I've been sober for five years now, aside
from medical marijuana, uh here and there, here, here and there.
But aside from I went four four years of abstinence

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and until I you know, my doctor was like because
I had lost my mother, and you know, there's a
whole backstory to that, and and and how.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
I came back to this topic, left Hollywood and came
back to this topic. So for me, I have a
very you know, I've I respect you a little bit more,
you know, having you you you said something like that,
because it does take a lot to admit that, you know,
because one of the things in the UFO community is

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your credibility, right, and if someone can poke holes in
your credibility and and try to use your past against you.
We see this with like David Grush using his PTSD
as a wartime veteran to try to undercut what he's saying.
I mean, it's ludicroants and.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
With the with the community. So I mean, thank you
for saying that. But why are we a species that
is so advanced? And how do we not know our
own origin story? So I start asking these questions right rhetorically,
I'm asking them out loud, h why?

Speaker 1 (28:28):
And then.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
What what are these supposed aliens? What are these UFOs?
What is that? And is it being covered up?

Speaker 5 (28:38):
And if it's being covered up, which it surely is,
who's it being covered up by?

Speaker 4 (28:44):
And I argue that it's the same people that are
in charge of the Epstein's, the ditties, those people.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
Who are controlling our origin story, our narrative, what gets
out to the public in a mainstream they have. I mean,
Rick Doty is a great example of how easy it
is to pay off media Air Force.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Osi did it all the time. We are living in
a consensus reality with the consensus history.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
It's look at the seventy six percent of all media
is controlled by the same investment firms. And if you
look at who those investment firms are, they also own
a lot of disclosure. Johnny Enoch actually brought it to
the table here a couple few weeks actually it's been
a couple months ago now, but he said specifically that
Vanguard and Blackrock were invested into Gaya, and I couldn't

(29:39):
believe it. I had to go look that up myself.
But to know that now and to see that brick
wall there, you start looking at that those two companies
specifically and some of the things they've done politically and
into this industry and other industries. The control that they
have on the media and this cancel culture. Yeah, I
mean that's why I brought up eyeswad shed because this
this holly elite thing that people talk about, it absolutely

(30:02):
could be controlling this part of history. And you look
at things like scientology specifically being so predominant in this culture.
I've started to research maybe why about that could be,
and it's very interesting. I'm not a scientologist or anything
like that, but just like I'm not any of these religions,
I just find it very interesting to understand where they're

(30:24):
coming from and how it might relate to the others.
Because there's no way that only one person's right here
and if you look at the way it talks about
the evil deceiving and the Bible and stuff like that,
it's eighty percent truth and twenty percent lies. Like that,
they're going to use the truth to manipulate and pull
you away. And so that's what disclosure right now, like
this controlled disclosure movement is absolutely being narrated in a fashion.

(30:49):
Even like you said, Grush and lou and all these
people who have come out as whistleblowers, they still have
to ask the government permission to say what they're going
to say, and the government allows that, which is something
that they obviously know this is moving in that direction
and they want it. Others I probably wouldn't even be.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
Here, you know, controlled disclosure, right, Yeah, it's it's to
avoid it's it's to avoid the alternative. And you know,
it's funny that you mentioned that, because yes, all these
quote unquote whistleblowers, they're not whistleblowers.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
By definition, they are not whistleblowers. If you go to
good pre publication and ask for permission to say what
you're saying, you are not a whistleblower. I apologize. You
are not. You are a You're either unwitting.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
Or you you understand and and that you are a
controlled narrative. You are a controlled disclosure agent, whether you.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
Like it or not. They you might do it with
the best of intention, but you're not a whistleblower. They
want you out.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
There saying this, right, and you look at let's go ahead,
I'm gonna.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Say you look at lou and the and the pictures. Right.
He keeps coming up empty handed on these things, and
you know that the Pentagon's laughing, going, oh my god,
it's it's far too easy to just credit this guy
at this point. Yeah. Ye.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
You look at the A Tip program and Sean Kirkpatrick
and Brandon Fugel's little debate there that happened, and and
then you also look at the I use Skinwalker Wrench
here as well, because Travis Taylor, who's their PhD, was
recommended by the History Channel, Brandon said on the interview
with Sean Ryan. And so that's an interesting play. You know,
obviously the network encouraged this PhD, and he's the one

(32:40):
help and he's the one deciding what science gets done.
And then all of a sudden, you know, two or
three years into the show, it's like, oh, by the way,
I'm a government agent as well, and I worked for him. Yeah,
and they didn't know, you know, So that's infiltrated there.
But now Travis is also on Ancient Aliens and other programs,
so it's like, you know, the government is involved with
these TV shows as well.

Speaker 5 (33:02):
And that's why now now people are gonna wonder why
I let us down this path to come full circle here.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
That is why you might have some people.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
Like who should have a vested interest in this, like
the Ancient alien folks who outright say it's fake because
they are controlled by somebody and the real stuff is
being hidden from you. So that's the full circle moment
there for everybody.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
That's that's what I got when Linda moultenhow ghosted me
there that that's all it felt like, is when she
went to tell her producers that I was going to
be on Earth Files, she got shut down, is what
it felt like. Because she was the most genuine, nice lady.
She's a she's a Stater from Idaho. She's just she's
just great, Like I really got great vibes and were

(33:55):
we worked well together. So for for that to happen,
I knew something at a higher level had to have
occurred to postpone that you know.

Speaker 5 (34:04):
Yeah, and listen, I will say this about Linda because
I had her on the show.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
She was nothing but great. Like timing. All right, I
want to bring it back. So you've dedicated the last
five years of your mission, five years of your life
to this mission?

Speaker 1 (34:21):
All right?

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Was there ever a moment?

Speaker 5 (34:24):
Could that moment be now where the truth felt too
dangerous or too unbelievable to pursue?

Speaker 1 (34:32):
No? No, no, Because at this point I knew that
if I had something happened to me because of this truth,
then I would know in my heart factually and would
have the most ultimate, unconditional faith in God at that point,
because it would all click because I know the story,
I've seen the pieces, and I know what they're hiding,
and so if anything ever happened, that would be an
immediate And then, you know, I asked someone like Scott

(34:55):
Walter who's vetted into the A Tip, and he told
me specifically like this was research that needed to be done,
you know. And so I think, I think there's a
lot of people rooting for this, and uh, you know,
as far as the danger goes, I've never been contacted,
I've reached out to the I NAH. I've reached out
to the Vice President. I've reached out to Customs and

(35:15):
Border Patrol and dhl ups, all these places that were
handling my packages. As I would bring these pieces in.
I wanted to make sure I wasn't violating any laws.
I actually have letterhead from the I NAH on Mexican
state paper that says that anything with a UFO or
an alien on it has to be modern, as those

(35:37):
things were created in modern times. So that that's the
way they left it. They wouldn't do any C. Fourteen,
they wouldn't come out to the site, they wouldn't do
any science whatsoever.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
Wait, so, because you use the word alien, and I
don't know how you guys framed it, maybe I'm I'm
speaking because I'm a layman in this.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
In this because the word UFO or alien or or.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
The connotation was there, they won't touch this. They they
just assume that it's memorabilia and that they don't have
to do anything with it.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yep, yep. Oh yeah, you can buy them all day long.
I have thousands of these pieces in my house right now.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
Can you grab a couple of the most compelling things
and maybe talk so I want to take this time
because I know you have it. Can you grab a
couple of pieces and the most compelling and like the ones.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
That you can you can describe and show us a
little bit of detail of of of really compelling things
that you that have been labeled as as labeled as
memorabilia or you know, what has to be modern day created.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
So these are of bronze work. The metal work is
really where it's at because you can see the patina,
you know. I asked Ai about the patina on some
of these objects, and they said that the iridescence and
the way they looked were completely impossible to make forgeries though,
I mean, some of these crystal skulls and things are
you know, fifty sixty pounds of courts. I mean, we

(37:13):
don't see this type of stuff let alone. They're not
just you know, beautiful carvings, but they're also tattooed with extensive,
extensive amounts of work. You know, every ounce of it
has carvings. You know, they can't Optic jars were a
big one for me. Sorry it's a little unsteady, but
these things here, I mean they absolutely stink inside. They

(37:34):
have the worst smell like they were actually utilized with
organs at one point inside of them. Oh yeah, it's
stunk up my entire room. When I got them, I
was blown away. Some of the whistles and things like this.
I mean, this is a like a twenty pound rock
whistle where the eyes are the reeds, it's all hollowed
out in there, you know, the mouthpieces back here and

(37:56):
so stuff like that where it's in tune.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
I mean, these these are all things that have been
on These things have been uncovered. Yes, for the most part,
these have been dug out.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Documents, a lot of it on our on our YouTube
and and documentaries. I wrote like you see, like you said,
six books. The newest one I did, Forbidden Relics, is
just full of of you know, every piece those, man,
I'm gonna the studio.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Do it.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
I'm gonna see if I can get one with the
green here you can see see how it turns green.
It's it's light in here, so you can't see it
very well. But all these pieces have a luminescence or
phosphor and property.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
Why is that turning green like that?

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Well, they all have this green phosphorescence or luminescence about them.
I mean you can see it's just laced into the
carvings in some of them and others it's blue. It's green.
This one here will change from green to blue.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
Do the skulls ever? Now this is things I've heard
from other people, But do the skulls ever?

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Just like move?

Speaker 1 (39:13):
No, I haven't had any weird pirinormal activities or anything
like that yet.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
That I've seen the only thing that's been kind of
strange was that when we first came in go there
all right, When we first started this, I had about
sixty seventy these pieces that I had just gotten. We
bought a large collection from a collector in Mexico. And
the fact that people in Mexico collect these things and
are hard to come off of them sometimes that's also
pretty interesting evidence just you know, they would likely know

(39:46):
if these were being mass produced or if they were
part of their history. And so, you know, that brings
me to a point of there's a gentleman named Max
that he did an interview in my book Ananaki America,
and he goes through and explains that, you know, he
worked with the I. N. A. H. And that's how
he learned how to get these things out can you.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
You've said I, I can't even say that right.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
So it's the Institute of National Archaeology and Anthropology.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
Okay, and okay, So for anyone who's just listening, that's
what that is and watching, Uh because I I wanted
to know, I forgot to ask earlier. I didn't want
to interrupt. But okay, So that's like the that's like
mainstream archaeology guys are contacting.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
That's the government archaeological Ministry of History essentially.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
Okay, And again they're what they're saying about these pieces
is they're not actually artifacts. They are modern day carvings
because they can't possibly be artifacts because and then do
you see what so have you have you done any
independent testing on like like radiocarbon dating or yeah, yeah,

(41:06):
so what do you what are your some of your
results here? What are we what are we looking at
for time frames on these some of these So.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
It depends on the area. What's interesting is is there's
a book by JJ Benitez who did thermo luminous and
dating of these tablets from the Mico chon that have
These were the ones that Linda Moulton Howe brought into
Stanford Research and they had bappomit and things on there,
like the Lady Guadaloupe that were just hard to fathom
that they would be ancient. And the dates there were

(41:33):
eighteen hundred and twenty five years plus or minus one
twenty five, which is an interesting you know, two to
three hundred years a d. And that that's an interesting
time frame because some of the pieces show the Lady
Guadalupe as well as a crucified beings as well, and
so that's that's one age. And the mico Con tribe

(41:54):
they tell me that this is an oral tradition that
their land was used as a genet manipulation ground where
they've created many different races that used to roam there.
And we actually found biological evidence that it's a body
very very similar to a nasca among me, but it
way more Reptilian. And it's documented in my book this

(42:16):
Ananaki the maso America connection.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
And.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
So there's there's the biology is obviously that's something that
still needs to be dated. But if you go to
a Waylos di Alisco where I first started, there's pipe
resin from twelve thou six hundred years ago that Scott
Walter had carbon dated there's pieces that range from twelve
to twenty five thousand years ago that have been carbon
dated through the adhesive, and the adhesive on there is

(42:41):
a red blue I'll show you an example here with
one of these pieces. But there's this red adhesive that
that glues these things together. You can see this red
in between these lines that glue the stone to these
other stones. And this is a pipe here, and so
these sometimes have resin that can be scraped out of them,

(43:02):
and that's what he carbon dated there. And then as
well as the adhesive. We have some some bones right
now that are these daggers. I can show you it right.
So this is a dagger that we took this knob
off here. It had a big bone, you know, joint thing,
and so that's what we sent to the lab and
it will be dated. But this normally was a handle

(43:24):
for an obsidian dagger.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
My god. So okay, so you know you you talked
about twelve thousand, six hundred years ago or did you
say twelve thousand, six.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Hundred yes, twelve thousand, six hundred BC. I'm sorry, he's
actually like fourteen thousand years old or something like that.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Yeah, okay, And now essentially what you are saying is,
if we are to take these tools, these are evidence
of a civilization that existed well before the Ice Age
and the younger, dryest impact, and these are some of

(44:11):
the remnants or you know, some of the artifacts of
those lost civilizations and lost cultures, like say Atlantis. We
don't have to put terms to it, but like Atlantis
to give up a visualization.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
There's a lot of story from toolas specifically, whereasas where
we're finding a lot of these pieces that they have
the Atlantean survivors that came there. And if you look
at like this here, this is a star map and
it clearly shows the Ple eightes at a place. And
if you look at where the north is with the
sea on there, you can see with AI it'll tell
you how old that thing is and it comes out

(44:50):
at a thousand BC on that one. But the star
maps range and there's quite a few star maps like
these you've seen probably from Iraq or ter and they're
called an astrolabe, and it shows all the different constellations.
But you can put this into a program and it'll
show when the last time the procession was in that area,

(45:11):
and it gives a pretty fine range. So the tool
pieces seem to all have these star maps in the
twenty five hundred BC to five hundred a D range,
and so the away those stuff looks a lot different.
The type of creation is way different. The language on
the pieces is completely different, which is a big thing
for me. If the age is that much different in
a different language, it really brings the story of Babel

(45:34):
into consideration here. And so if this Babel and this
flood thing happened, we might have a pre flood civilization
and a post flood rebuilding of what they you know,
the survivors or something. And that might be what the
Spanish and you know things came down on in this area,
you know, all the Second Crusader, whatever you want to

(45:54):
call it. You know.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
So that's exactly what I was going to say, is
is you have evidence of and and that's what I
think we need to do as people like not as
as as human beings. We need to not dismiss religious
texts and other texts because they're not the religion that

(46:19):
you follow.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
What happens is what we need to do is take
a step back, all of us and start looking at
it as a all right, let's piece this together because
everyone seems to have a little piece of the puzzle, right,
but we can all agree, you know, we have to
find the common denominators. And because it seems that all

(46:41):
of our religions theoretically, you know, I'm speaking in very
vague manners here, but theoretically they're all really saying a
very similar thing. And they all have this really similar
story and the heroes and the villains.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
And the bad and the good and the creation, and
you know, then then comes science, and science is just
a modern way of it's it's a modern way of
reassuring ourselves that we are the alpha species by saying,
you know, but this is the same the same scientists

(47:18):
who cannot tell you what consciousness is. So of course,
you know, science is flawed, but it makes us feel
better when we say it, right, it's science, it's science.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Is it all just the same fucking thing? When you know,
there's these ancient beings that had crazy technology and uh,
something happened and wipe them out. Whether it was a flood,
it looks like that's the case, But what what caused
that flood? You know, I think we have really a

(47:51):
lot to learn from these religious stories if we could
just step back, and I mean the Tower of Babble
is a great story, you know, metaphorically about our species
is you know, because what is the ultimate what is
the ultimate good? What is the ultimate force? And that

(48:11):
is a united human race? Right, a united human race.
There's nothing that we could not achieve.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Nothing.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
So you know, we grow and we get too close
to the gods and then we're struck down and we're
separated by religion, by creed, and we love to do that.
We love to separate each other right and put ourselves
in groups, and then we like to discriminate. So are
we cursed with that for some reason?

Speaker 5 (48:37):
Because together we are a force to be reckoned with?
Have we been hampered with? To be to stay in line?

Speaker 4 (48:47):
If you will?

Speaker 5 (48:48):
And to you know, it's you start asking all these
questions and and and it's like for me, it's it's
obvious that like what we need to do.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
It's but like why can't we do it? Right?

Speaker 1 (49:01):
We only use twenty percent of our brain for what now?
You know? Right, It's like yeah, it's like I think
that's really important.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
You know, if some stupid motherfucker and part of my language,
so if some guy from Boston can can come to
these conclusions that maybe we all should step back and
look at this with fresh eyes and compare notes. Instead
of you know, murdering each other and holding the world

(49:30):
hostage with weapons.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
Of mass destruction and relying on something with the acronym MAD.
You know, let's hold the let's hold the people of
the world.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
Hostage because of our belief systems, of which God is real,
because that's what we do most of our murdering in
is God name is God's name.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
So you know, I, you know, people think that we're
more advanced now. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
I don't know. I think I think if we really
have these genetic manipulators who have created us, like the
anonarchy or something's managing our species in this fashion. Let's
say you were managing a species of let's just say
corn on a farm, and you were trying to breed
a corn that was going to make it through a
hurricane or some sort of disaster, right, and so you

(50:19):
have to plant all these seeds. You have to find
the ones that are stable. You have to breed them together.
You have to create phenotype after phenotype after phenotype to
breed out the issues to get them stable again. All
these things, well, if you were trying to do that
really fast with a living race with intelligence, you would
want them to go through war. You would want them
to go through the challenges so they could inherit the

(50:40):
wisdom in a timely fashion. That could be why our
age in the Bible was reduced down to one hundred
and twenty years. That after it was it was likely
after the you know, the the resurrection, that this occurred,
possibly or somewhere. It doesn't specifically say that I know of,
but I'm guessing that's that's where it's at, right, because
you look at the people in the anti diluver and
they were all old, and then you know, after Moses,

(51:03):
I think it's pretty much, you know, right after the Exodus.
It's it's right, it's one hundred and twenty years. So
these things are are all there maybe for us like
this mystery and us even talking right now. Would we
be doing this if everything was good and we were
all working together as one, and would we have anything
to work on if we didn't have the threat of
death and the survivalism that we have today?

Speaker 4 (51:25):
Those are those are all very very fair points.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
By the way.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
I I I tend to. Did you see we Haimi Moussan,
I'm not Heimi Mussan. Jesus.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
Did you see Zahi Hawas on Rogan saying that not
not only did he say multiple times that he was
a scientist, but he wasn't a scientist.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
And you know he is an archaeologist, but he's not.
So not only does that guy not know what the
fuck he is? But and and he and but he
said he never heard of the King's List and no nothing,
So I'm.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Sorry, please, there's no paper on it.

Speaker 5 (52:10):
I guess you know, yeah, you and because because it
wasn't discovered by Zaki himself, it does not exist.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
And he's so he's open minded, but he does not
have time for theories like, bro, which one is it?
Because you can't be both, You're an idiot.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
I'm really bad on that though, because I my whole life,
I mean, I was a skeptic of this because I
didn't have the science on it. And even with I mean,
so the carbon dates are conceived or you know, the
Magnins deposits on this copper whistle, like there's there's things
on here that that are just signs of age that
you're not going to get very easily, but still it's
not science. It's going to prove to someone like that

(52:50):
that this is real or not. And I think that's
where we've had to really step back and look at
these pieces and try to find what about them. And
this is actually we're working on a pure reviewed paper.
Can't go extremely and deep about it, but there's peer
review on these pieces that are going to show that
the way these are made and constructed is not something
that we can do today. And I can I can

(53:11):
pretty much just leave it at that.

Speaker 5 (53:13):
Would you would you be open to being flown into
the studio with some of those pieces after the peer
reviewed paper comes out and talk and walk us through
of course, you know, because what I what I think
most people don't understand is peer reviewed papers are I mean,

(53:37):
it's basically you submitting it to the science community and
saying this is what we found.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
You know, now the science community can look it over,
and they can.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
Because exactly most of most of what they're trying to
do is prove you wrong, honestly.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
So, but it's the.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
Best way for these things to move forward in and
open and environment, and and that is the way that
things are done. So but the general audience really doesn't
know what a peer reviewed paper that they don't they
will not sit and read a peer reviewed paper. So
maybe you can come on show us some of the
pieces and talk us through Layman's terms of like what

(54:18):
happened to happened for this to be ruled this? What
are the implications of this? Because I mean all right,
say say what is the oldest.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
Known what is the oldest mainstream recognized uhh site? What
what is the old is it?

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Go back?

Speaker 4 (54:42):
Go Beckley's happy, right, I would.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Say, go Beckley Tippy or Caring Tippy there.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
Yeah, right, it's one of those, one of those too.
So a lot of what you're what you have would
even predate predate that by a long shot, or.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Be in consistence with that. I mean there could be
and how who knows because of the lack of excavation
and the lack of knowledge of that era. You know
what else we haven't found in the ground. I think
with these SAR scans and stuff that they're showing in
Egypt that we might see some of these sites be
able to be looked at with a little bit more
peeled back mentality. I mean, you look at what light

(55:24):
oar's done to the jungle, and there's all kinds of
cities and stuff we didn't even know about. However, to
get there and to to actually get the permits and
the science to fund it that there seems to be
a real brick wall, because some of these have been
discovered for a decade and we haven't even really scratched
the surface, you know. And then they said the same
with go Beckley Teppe. It's going to take one hundred
years to fully excavate that site. I mean one hundred years.

(55:48):
Really is this Oak Island Part two? I mean, I
don't know. Man. It's really crazy though, to think that
we can't get in there and get it done. But
and that's the thing.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
Another thing, because and I don't want to I don't
want to attack Zahi here, but you know, he Rogan
brings up these recent scans that they did, and.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
He Zahi almost.

Speaker 5 (56:13):
Immediately dismisses it by saying, yep, it's not I I
ran it. He says, I ran it by the scientists
in the world on this and they said it's impossible.
And so I mean these people, because you know, Zigi's

(56:37):
the gatekeeper for Egyptology.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
He makes the decisions.

Speaker 5 (56:41):
Somehow, he makes the decisions on everything and anything that
happens in Egypt.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
So he has become the gatekeeper.

Speaker 5 (56:48):
And if you go against what he is saying, then
you are not allowed to talk about it in a
serious way, and that's the danger.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
I'm glad he went on Rogan. I'm glad he looked
like an it because I'm came off as arrogant, because
that's who that guy is. He smokes his cigar and
he fucking yells at people and screams.

Speaker 5 (57:10):
I mean he's known for that on documentaries, yelling and
screaming and fit and ship.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
So like, that's not a to me.

Speaker 5 (57:18):
That's not a serious, serious scientist. That's a business man,
right ye.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
So you know, but the what do you think? What
do you think the implications of these pillars under the
Great Pyramid would be? And the and things like Robert Schock,
you know, if we find this this thing below the
Sphinx's bam.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Mm hmm. I think there's definitely something down there. I mean,
we we've we've got messages in certain areas that thought
left certain things and they're not supposed to be opened,
and there's all kinds of of you know, rumors and
and things about Egypt. But if you look at the
team and and they're science that they've presented, there's absolute
nothing in my brain that says that we should not

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at least double check based off of these scans. And
those top scientists in the world to say it's impossible,
but they don't bring any science to say why it's impossible.
And we know that we have scanners that can look
into the ground, and we see these scan and then
we see other scans from this same company satellite underneath
laboratories and things like that, showing these you know, two

(58:23):
hundred feet in the ground bases and stuff like that.
So you have to really wonder, I mean, why aren't
we doing a core sample here? I mean, it wouldn't
take much to do a core sample to see if
there was a structures underneath this thing.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
Right, Well, that's I mean, I don't know if you want,
I don't know how far you went into this, but
I figure you would.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
You would have gone into it a lot because it
is that field that you're in, you know, sort of.

Speaker 5 (58:46):
But Flint Dibble when he was on Pierce Morgan, he
you know, he he like screamed about He's.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
Like, you cannot dig at the Sphinx And it was like,
what do you mean, dude, They're digging all the fucking time. Yeah,
like you can they core samples of of that area.
Like you're not gonna You're not gonna blow the synks
up because you took a core sample two hundred yards
to the north. Like, this guy's out of his mind and.

Speaker 5 (59:17):
He represents quote unquote mainstream science in archaeology.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
So he went up against Graham Hancock on a debate
on Joe Roman here a couple of maybe a year
ago or something like that, and you know, he really
was just pushing all these things. And what one thing
was that that he came out and said actually helped
our argument heavily was that that, you know, because a
lot of these objects they come out of the ground
and they don't have the right type of erosion. And

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this is a prime example here. You know that this
type of stone here might actually have a glaze on
it and may actually be ancient pottery or ceramic and
exotic ceramic that that is there because it has a
phosphorescence like pre Hispanic pottery. However, it does register a
stone when you XRF and and look at it with analysis.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
But what is that?

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
What is that like? What?

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Because it looks to me it looks like a like
a tobacco pipe.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Yeah, it's a pipe for sure, in tobacco and other
not anything a psychedelic or anything was found when they
examined the resin that Scott had. It was just tobacco
and a couple other herbs that are local to that area.
But yeah, they definitely smoked, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:00:30):
So so okay, that's what I was gonna ask, is
so what we're saying is advanced. So this idea of
of uh, you know, smoking tobacco and something about tobacco.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
And and uh smoking like lighting it on fire and
inhaling it. This seems to be another thing that's passed
down through like culture ritualistically to begin with. I think
nowadays obviously, like you know, we're addicted to say, it's
in a different way. But so there were ceremonial pipes

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and that dates back to when.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
I mean, you know, yeah, you've got twelve hundred years
is the resonance side of it. But that doesn't mean
that it wasn't right, you know, a thousand years old
already at the time, and they were just that's the
last time they smoked out of it. These could have
been passed down. You know, our Native Americans, the Lakota tribe,
they have they have ancient pipes that they've held in
their tribe that they use on the smoke you know,

(01:01:30):
the sweat lodges and the smoke sessions that they do.
And so yeah, I wouldn't doubt that this is definitely
something that's old.

Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
Do you think that something like ayahuasca, because like you
have to think about the shamans and stuff, the way
that they prepare, Like if you get a real shaman
down in South America doing the ayahuasca, there's like rituals
and shit to it, and it seems like it seems
like that there's something to that whole ritual that seems

(01:02:02):
like it's some like ancient tradition that's been passed down
to like enlighten and and to maybe bring people to
another world, to show them the capabilities and to expire
inspire them to be and do the next best thing,
because its like all of a sudden, your mind has
just expanded to limitless uh uh capability, and it's that

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seems like something our ancestors will want to make sure
made it through any disaster, right would be.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
This kind of how they found that out in first
place is such a yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
Like like what are the odds they would they would
pick this and do this.

Speaker 5 (01:02:43):
And and because like people don't realize, yeah, you don't
just pick it from the tree and smoke it. There's
like there's so many aspects to hyahuasca and like even
marijuana that like it has to be cultivated rightly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Interesting one that that that's my profession. I own a
cannabis company. That's what I did before I researched any
of this stuff. And I'm actually writing a book on
cannabis because it's actually both these paths have kind of
crossed in terms of the spiritual aspect and what it does.
You know, the hippies would always say free your mind, man,
and you hear this back in the day. And so
what's funny is is they were onto something. They just
didn't have the science of the pineal gland and what

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it was doing to the endocrime system and stuff like
that to really convey it, you know, on a professional level.
But now that I've done research, there's strings like keem
dog and og cush and GMO cookies with these things
called feels in there, which is what makes the strain gassy.
It's also found in garlic onions and skunk spray, and
these theols have an extreme medicinal property and effect the

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pineal gland very heavily. It can cause a homeostatic stasis
that you can't really acquire in any other fashion. People
that have add and certain types of focus issues often
feel really relieved. They'll sleep better, they won't have nightmares
as much because of these theols specifically, and that's why
people are out there hunting seeds and hunting these different
strains constantly, because they're looking for this and to get

(01:04:07):
it consistently. It's quite uncommon in most cannabis breeds to
get a high field count, and so I believe that
this is actually giving us protection. These plant medicines are
freeing our mind from this demi urge or this false
reality that we live in. You know. It talks about
the seven sins and the seven seals and the seven chakras,
and they have to be exercised and opened in order

(01:04:28):
to transcend, and all of these different things that cross
into many different religions and cultures. I feel that there's
real connection to that. And you know, you look at
the romans, how they switched over the frequencies of all
the instrument tunings from four what was it, four thirty
two to four forty and so it went from seven
tones to eighty. They're like, oh, we get an extra note, proactive.

(01:04:51):
It's great, you know, but the reality is that the
tones no longer sync up with the chakras, and you're
not exercising your chakras when you're hitting the chords and
hitting the different harmonics. Therefore, you're not going to free
yourself in this respect. And I think that have you
ever done the ayahuasca before? Yeah, so it's I mean,

(01:05:11):
you leave your body behind like it's gone.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
I was.

Speaker 5 (01:05:17):
I shot up through my head, like through my through
what they call the what is this the head chakra,
the crown, the crown chakra. It's like it was like
I exited my body through that and then all of
a sudden, I'm in this tunnel thing. But it's not
a tunnel. It's also not it it looks like a tunnel.

(01:05:39):
That's the best way I can visualize it to people.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
But it was like it was like the world was
the universe was bent around me and I was walking
through like this glassy universe. And then in the distance
there was this being and it wasn't I know, people
talk about machine elves. Mine was not a machinelf. Mine
was just a figure.

Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
And when I looked when I, yeah, when I when
I got to him or it when I when I
finally got to it, it looked at me and there
was no face. It was just emptiness and and it
but it gave me a feeling that I'll never forget.
And it was like your body, you shouldn't be here

(01:06:23):
right now. Like it was like, it was like you
should you shouldn't be here right now?

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
How are you here? You need to go back?

Speaker 5 (01:06:32):
And then I kind of got like mad at him,
and I was like but no words were spoken. I
had no idea how I became mad.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
At him, but I knew his thoughts, like I knew
I wasn't supposed to be there.

Speaker 5 (01:06:47):
Right So I walked past him, like maybe two feet,
but you know, it feels like eternity while you're there.
I walked past him, I feel myself gain about two
feet past him, boom, snap back into my body and
the DMT that was d MT. Ayahuasca was a whole
different beast, but yes, ayahuasca was was.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
I mean, wow, that was like I was like I
was still here, but I was above myself and I
was I was reviewing my soul and it was Yeah,
it's I mean, it's truly, it's it's I I recommend
it for people with trauma.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Yeah, if it calls to you, you probably shouldn't turn away.
I wouldn't recommend recreationally doing it for fun. It's definitely
not a toy. And uh, it's something that should be
very well utilized with an elder or a shaman, like
you say, they have the ways, They know the drum frequencies,
They know which way your body should be bent and

(01:07:53):
how you should be sitting, and they know when to
catch like all these things that you're on your own.
When you're doing this, you may think you you may
go in so vere panic. That's what happened to me
and I had. I had panic attacks for weeks after.
If I thought even thought about it, I would start
feeling I'd get the metallic taste in my mouth and
everything like it was. It was horrendous for about a
year after I did it, I've never touched anything else

(01:08:16):
after that. But I'll tell you what. It gave me
such a respect because it it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:24):
Shows you everything that you you've hidden, that you've bottled up,
and you know, any any coping mechanisms you use. It
shines a light on them and is like and like
you're you're too busy being afraid of going back to
that that everything else is like, ah, dude, it's it's
easy to just not want to do because you never

(01:08:48):
I've never thrown up so much in my life.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
So, But but anyway, so I say this because we think.

Speaker 5 (01:08:59):
Of technology as this, right, this block, this, this, this
would look like magic. By the way, at least what
we're told to the Egyptians, if we showed them a
backup battery, that would blow their minds. You know, this
cell phone has more technology in it than the spacecraft

(01:09:22):
that went up to the moon. We look at technology
as like hard, right, this technological. But do you think
our ancestors also had technology that is what was non physical,
it was consciousness based or like you say, sound like
and frequency the keys to the universe. Do you think

(01:09:42):
that there was technology that we wouldn't necessarily call technology.
Maybe we'd say it was magic. Do you think that
they possessed such a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Yeah, I absolutely do, And I think on two levels,
you know, I think we find a lot of pieces.
We find wands with crystals on them, we find pendulums,
we find Ouiji boards, we find all of these type
of things. This scream yeah, yeah, full on, full on
wigi boards with them.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
I thought the Ouiji board was like, I thought that
was all invention.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Well that's what they want you to think about chess too,
But we find chess boards as well. You go back
to India and it's called the age Old Game at chess,
probably for a reason. And but yet you know, there's
there's all these false positives. Oh, this was created in
the thirteen hundreds. The Lady Guadalupe can't be any older
than that. Well that's when she became popularized and bappelm
it was first illustrated in the thirteen hundreds, you know,

(01:10:41):
but that doesn't mean that they didn't take it off
of ancient sources and descriptions from the Library of Alexandria,
which we don't have anymore. We created this being that
ends up looking just like the one that we find
carved into pieces in Mexico, Like that's a false positive. Scientifically,
you can't disclaim something just because someone invented it. Look
at the Naska mummies with these implants. Okay, inside of
them is osmium, which is what we use on satellites

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and stuff, and that wasn't for synthesized until the early
nineteen hundreds. But the thing with osmium is that it
takes tons and tons of platinum refining in order to
get just a little bit of it. So you can't
just mine out a big old block of osmium and
be like, yeah, I'm gonna pound this into an implantlant,
like it has to be it has to be refined.
And so these bodies are eighteen hundred and fifty years
old on the carbon dating. How did they have osmium? Men? Right,

(01:11:28):
But again this will never be talked about on the news,
like they just claim these things to be cake, and
I mean the science behind them is so overwhelming. It's
actually a really good role model, you know, but it's also.

Speaker 5 (01:11:40):
Pretty It's so funny that you said they joke about
the cake because that cake.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
Thing that that was, like.

Speaker 5 (01:11:48):
It was honestly a genius way to discredit the whole thing,
turn it into a meme as quick as possible, and.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Then there was demand for evidence. And what's funny is
is we actually spent fifteen thousand dollars. I bought two
Nasca mummies on October I believe it was the seventh
through the eighth. It was right after the congressional hearing
with Timi Massam in Mexico. And they came out on
the news saying that they were fake and that they
were cake. And there was a gentleman down there that
I talked to researching this stuff, Fernando Cordoba. He allowed

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me to publish a lot of the pictures of the
Naska mummies in my book, and I ended up getting
in touch with someone that knew him, and they sent
me to dolls. They dressed them up like dolls, and
they sent them. You might have seen the pictures. They've
become famous. And what's interesting is they went through the
DHL scanners and you could see that there was metal
implants and the bones and everything. But they claimed that

(01:12:41):
those were once constructed by animal bones, and looking back
at the pictures now, they very well could have been.
They may have even sold them to me and constructed
these just to come out and try to smear it
as a thing. And so this actually has really influenced
Himy Massin's three hundred and fifty three hundred and fifty
million dollar lawsuit against Peru for slander and disinformation because

(01:13:03):
they completely tried to gut this guy's career, calling him
a fraud when they have no evidence and he does.
And so this is an ongoing lawsuit currently, but I
think it's it's definitely something that should be noted that
they might be going to that level even to try
to you know, create fakes their own. And we have
that that gentleman I mentioned Max that gave testimony in

(01:13:24):
my book. He states specifically that the cartels are making
pieces like this in replica of the real ones just
to saturate the market with fakes for whatever purpose, to
try to keep it a secret.

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
And I believe that we've seen it, you know, maybe
some quid pro quoe between you know, the intelligence community
or like whatever in the cartels. Like all right, you know,
because we know that things get things people can be bought,
and things can get they get let slid, you know,

(01:13:59):
if you want to call it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
So you know there's these quid pro quos like maybe, hey,
you do this for me and we'll let this much
get in you know, no matter what. Right, are you
talking about politics just in general? Yeah right, yeah, just yeah, yeah, yeah,
just in just in general. So we know that that
people can.

Speaker 5 (01:14:19):
Be corrupted and people are ultimately the ones controlling this
at the end of the day, and they're flawed.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
Well that's a very good point.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
I mean, everything we see on these pieces is these
you know, fallen angel looking beings and stuff. And if
you look at the occult and Ouiji boards and World
War two and what the thool and viural societies were
doing to get information and technology for Adolf Hitler and
the war there, and how World War One ended with
the Ottoman Empire who had all the Babylonian relics because

(01:14:53):
they had just conquered constants and oples some years prior,
all those Babylonian relics. I mean, that's the Ananaki stuff.
And so if we're finding Ouiji boards and all kinds
of occult tools here in Mexico, that I can only
imagine what they found in the City of err and
some of these places in there that you know, you
look back to like Zacharai Sitchen's work and right before

(01:15:14):
the Gulf War and some of the stuff that they found.
I mean, we're just now getting to see the stuff
out of the Nimrod's discovery there and I just saw
some of the gold pieces and stuff. I mean, this
is twenty years ago already, you know, and it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
It's truly, it really is.

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
It blows me away that, I mean, really like the
you know, because this fairy tale that we as kids
that we're told is that you know, there's the history
books and we know everything right because you look at
adults and you go, well, you know, whether it's your
parents or that figure in your life, that the parental figure,

(01:15:59):
role model, you know, you look at them and they're
like you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
One day, I'm gonna be like them and I'm gonna
have all the answers.

Speaker 5 (01:16:05):
And you know, it's not until you slowly get older
that you realize everybody is winging it day by day
and nobody has any answers.

Speaker 4 (01:16:13):
We all just pretend that we do.

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
And you know that's the big, the big curtain pull
the OZ moment, if you will, because you know, we
realize that our our parents, they're they're not God's they're there,
and that we're not heroes and we're not villains, and
that you know the But but then we're told that
the world is black and white and we find out

(01:16:38):
that there's so much more gray than anyone ever.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
Led us to believe.

Speaker 5 (01:16:42):
Right, So, and who who do you think was the
first one to cover this notion of aliens?

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
Up? I bet it was the Church.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
Yeah, I would definitely say that this goes back to
the Catholic Church. And I'm not meaning to isolate because
it could be elsewhere to but I think with the
Roman being sad, are worshippers and then all of a sudden,
overnight Constantine says, yeah, we're Christian now that you know,
they're also the ones that killed Jesus. And if you
look at the persecution of the early Christians, they went
through and gutted these Orthodox religions, like right now, there's

(01:17:14):
only two percent blood. Jews like that actually have the
blood in their system that they're supposed to do, so
two percent is so low at this point you think
the Holocaust probably had something to do with that. And
then you look at these religions and look at the
new covenants that have been formed that kind of pushed
the Orthodox out. And I mean, obviously there's things that
from the Orthodox that they wanted to try to migrate

(01:17:37):
away from, or that it was, you know, in the
old fashion. But still, I think that it's very important
to see, like right now, specifically the Orthodox Jews, and
how much their opinion differentiates from you know, Israel the country,
or what's going on over there. You know, you see
interviews with them, and it's it just doesn't add up. So, yeah,
the church, you know, everybody, there's even movies about it,

(01:17:59):
having all these relics in their basements or whatever. For
what reason though, is the big question? And you know,
I guess, I guess it's just maybe if this demiurge
story is real, then that would make sense that they're
just trying to cover up their tracks. It says in
the Bible that the devil's biggest deception will be to

(01:18:19):
make it seem like he doesn't exist. And if you
look at the cathar people, which is a big one,
the cathart people accepted Jesus and yet they were still
burned at the stake and completely eradicated. And I'm not
talking just one pope had it out for him. I'm
talking nine popes gutted the civilization, man, woman, and child
because they had Enochian beliefs that they believed there was

(01:18:41):
two gods, one in the Old Testament that was a
bad God and one that was a good God. And
I think that that's the demiurge story and the the
divine intervention that we see as this separation. If you
notice they're called demi gods, well that's probably because they're
creations of the demi urge, you know. But this demiurge
is something that's suppressed heavily and I and that I

(01:19:03):
can't I can't get away from it, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:19:06):
Yeah, I mean if we if we look at the Church,
you know, as a whole at the time, you know,
their judge, jurys and executioners, right, so that they run
the land of the law, and and you know, I
don't know, so I kind of consider it the first

(01:19:27):
intelligence agency, you know, And.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
I would love to be able to raid their archives,
that the Vatican.

Speaker 5 (01:19:35):
But I mean, do you think like, given the given
what you've found or you know, what the things that
you've been that you've seen, would do you think that
like something like the Holy Grail or the Arc of
the Covenant. Could it be real and put it have
the power or possess something that it's said too or

(01:20:02):
is this just misunderstood technology.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Now I absolutely think it's real, not only because there
was a government paper that was declassified recently from the
Pentagon claiming that they remote viewed the Arc of the
Covenant and multiple things around it. That was just too
much to I mean, the fact that this is a
CIA document was just blowing my mind. But that aside,
you know, we find all these pieces. We've actually found

(01:20:27):
arcs in Mexico, which is interesting. And they had the
elongated heads on the chair, the cherubim on there, which
that could be why it's hidden out. It might have
a different looking being. I mean, obviously everything was humanized
at one point, but maybe in the Antidiluvians with Moses
and pre back that we have different elongated head beings.
I mean, you look at Osiris and you look at

(01:20:49):
some of these things, it could be consistent with that.
A lot of these pieces. Let me see if I
can find a quick example. Here they have what looked
like mermaids on them, and let's see here the mermaid
thing is really fascinating because you can see, you know,
it's got this this is like a winged being and

(01:21:16):
then he's got this like serpent like tail that comes
back here to a fishtail, right. And if you look
at the you know, being Deagone, and the relation to
the Pope's hat there and and certain things to the
fish and Jesus besides and all these things that came
out of the sea Atlantis, there's a lot of correlation there.

(01:21:37):
And if you go back to Osiris, who was supposed
to be the first Pharaoh, his feet in every depiction
of him are not like any other Egyptian's feet. They're
always banded together. It looks like one foot and I Osiris,
and it talks, it talks about isis how she had
to rebandage his legs all the time. And so some

(01:22:00):
people say it's because he was half in the living
world and half in the the dead or whatever. But
I find that it's really a specific shape that they're
depicting his legs, and he very well could have been
one of these beings that came out of the sea
that they are talked about by the Dogon people. Because
the Dogon people some somewhere in the in the past
got exiled out of Egypt. Nobody can tell me why.

(01:22:23):
And they're the people of the dog Uh. They're also
the people who supposedly brought cannabis here. They told the
Greeks that they brought cannabis here from a place called
serious B And this was thirty four hundred years ago
that Greek scholars documented this, right, And we.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
Didn't even know that that existed until like a modern
recent right.

Speaker 5 (01:22:43):
And that's and that also gives that notion of rediscovery,
Like just because someone invented something or discovered something doesn't
mean it hasn't been discovered. It just your society hasn't
discovered it yet.

Speaker 4 (01:22:56):
So what is discovery? What is invention if not? You know,
like that feeling that you.

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
Have when you do music, right, that idea of the
muse and pulling from the heat there, you know, and and.

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
So that it brings them.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
Yeah, So Osirius's legs is always always put together.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
You'll never see him separate every other you know, you
see there with well, I don't know if that's probably
isis there, but her feet are always separated. All the
gods set and thought, they all have two feet in
almost every depiction nothing like that. But I'm just thinking
he may you know, and he's he's got the elongated
head too, and gave birth to the the Pharaohs and

(01:23:40):
what not to have elongated heads like Akinatin and so
on down the down the line, and so that that
could be where the evolution came in to be humanistic
like that, that might be where that came from. His
skin's also green, which is peculiar.

Speaker 4 (01:23:59):
Yeah, and he really is always depicted as this like,
and he's got the.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
Beard and his beard's not strapped on.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Oh, so about the beard. I was explaining this earlier
and I got sidetracked. I'll do that a lot. I apologize,
but it's a lot to go over the braiding of
that beard. If you look at it. We actually have
pieces here and I'm gonna look around to see if
I can find one, but they have what looked like
Cethulhu on them, and you can see here this one

(01:24:28):
has the beard on this being. You can see his
head and he has it, and so they have like
a garment on there. You can see it's almost like
a woven garment that's holding this thing in and it's
not quite the same as the Egyptian one. But the
Egyptians did this to resemble the creators of chemists. So
this could be one of those creators here. And these beings,

(01:24:48):
if you were to take this garment off, it looks
like Davy Jones. It's straight squid faced. And so that's
why they braided them and wore this garment to cover
up their tentacles. And if you look at those dog
on people, they had encounter with what's called the nomo
and they were amphibious creatures that came out of the
sea and provided them knowledge.

Speaker 5 (01:25:06):
And uh, that's a story concept, and that's a story
that we hear over and over again in ancient cultures.
Is a being a guy, not a guy, but a
being that comes from the sea that restarts civilization.

Speaker 4 (01:25:22):
And emerging from the waters, emerging from the water, you know,
whether it's Cucko Khan or uh. And and what is
that the Aztecs?

Speaker 5 (01:25:32):
And then yeah, there's I mean, there's so many examples
of it Osiris and then could these both yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
You know, could again could these be? Could Egyptians? And
like you said, with the braids emulating and then the
elongated skulls, why does that happen across cultures, you know, for.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
The same reason. And they say it's waterboarded, right, they
say they're banded together or abandoning or whatever. Not water right,
I said that wrong. But but but but they did
it to look more like their gods.

Speaker 5 (01:26:06):
Yeah, that there's no reason other than to to disfigure
yourself like that would that that would be the ultimate,
the ultimate showcase of I want to I mean, we
talk about the cargo cults, right, and that idea of
of what it means to worship and what it means

(01:26:26):
to to to really divinely believe in something, and you
see it here with the elongation of uh babies and
and doing that to your child like that takes a
certain commitment. And that commitment comes in this weird part
of our DNA, that this want to to appease this

(01:26:47):
god or to this this higher power.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
It's like wideer in our DNA.

Speaker 5 (01:26:53):
And then you know, again you go back to the
court notion of where we tinkered with by some sort
of civilization like that, and it kind of all circular
tells the story of most likely because we clear like
every other organism on this planet has something that they
do for the ecosystem.

Speaker 4 (01:27:12):
Except us, except us. We just want to create, and
we we like this iPhone.

Speaker 5 (01:27:17):
If we stopped making Yes, if we stopped making iPhones today,
they would work just fine forever if we just stopped.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
And and we're like, this is the one, this is
the one. Like we're good, We're good. We can halt
all production.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
We're good. We got everything we need.

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
But we can't do that. We can't And and uh,
like you said, we're consumers.

Speaker 5 (01:27:42):
And you know that story of the Aki and us
wanting gold and why is gold so valuable to us?

Speaker 4 (01:27:50):
The gold is a weird one. It is a very
weird one. So I mean, do you believe that?

Speaker 5 (01:27:57):
Again, this is speculation, and you know, we will definitely
wrap this conversation up, but I'd love to, like I said.

Speaker 4 (01:28:04):
I'd love to fly you in after that peer reviewed
paper and kind of dive into this a little bit
more broadly because I love this topic. I haven't talked
about it in a while.

Speaker 5 (01:28:15):
But I mean, if you had to sum up your mission,
and you know, not one sentence, but if you had
to give the elevator pitch on what your mission is
to the people watching or listening right now, you know,
what is that?

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
What would it be? My mission was to either disprove
or prove these items to be either antiquities or modern replications.
At one point or another, it was either going to
be the biggest hoax I'd ever seen or something that
was so epic to our origin story and our history
that it was even at the point zero zero one percent,

(01:28:55):
I had to follow it. And so my mission is
is to assimilate the truth out of this one way
or the other, and also encourage others to demand science
and evidence rather than just caving into what the celebrity
says and trusting it. Because just like our ai and
our celebrities and our news stations, we all know that

(01:29:16):
there's manipulation there with whether it's politics or religion, all
these things. Look at the game of telephone when when
you're in kindergarten, are you going to trust what the
kid tells you or are you going to go out
there and and and figure it out for yourself? And
that's I think where we're at is we have to
do some of this for ourselves to make sure and
if we don't put our hands on it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:36):
Who's going to absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:29:41):
And where can where can people I know, you say
you have some documentaries out, and so what do the
I'll put all the links in the description below. But
where can people find your work? And and and where
can people follow you?

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
Yeah, Aliencarvings dot Com is our website and it's a
compendium of of just a bit of everything on there.
All the papers from Mexico, all that stuff is there,
carbon dates, our documentaries are all on YouTube at Alien Carvings.
All of our social media is at Alien Carvings. And yeah,
I mean our books are all available on Amazon under

(01:30:16):
Michael Forrest.

Speaker 6 (01:30:18):
Yeah, okay, yeah, we've got you know, everything's you know,
a hard book with just extensive pictures and documentation of
you know, as much.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
Photographic journalism that I could take. I'm a photographer more
than I am a writer. But at the same same point,
I've become a writer now because of this topic.

Speaker 4 (01:30:39):
So you gotta that's the thing, right, you become you
become the That's what I for myself as well as
like you know, obviously in different fields.

Speaker 5 (01:30:48):
But I'm like I'm the host. I I I get
the guests, I maintain the guest relationships, I edit the show,
I I write, I do all this stuff. Uh, so
you know, when you get in this topic, you become
you become a walking machine of of like how to
get things out there. So it's it's super fun to

(01:31:10):
watch that process, you know, from from that side, and
hopefully I can help elevate the conversation and and even
the slightest pit and get it out there.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
So you're always, you know, you're always welcome back to
talk about this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
I love.

Speaker 5 (01:31:25):
Of ancient civilizations and lost knowledge and like I said,
read just because you know, even Tesla, right, guys like
Tesla Einstein, they all talk about like you know, all oftentimes.

Speaker 4 (01:31:38):
Genius and geniuses they.

Speaker 5 (01:31:40):
Talk that they they're just conduit and it's like the
knowledge even you know, with Oppenheimer, it's like the muse
is there and it's working through them and that's you know,
there's something there. So, you know, the rediscovery of technology

(01:32:01):
or these things, you know, these artifacts. Uh, it's something
that I think we always should give a second look
at because we owe it to ourselves to understand our
origins and to understand our place in the universe.

Speaker 4 (01:32:15):
I don't understand why people don't take this more seriously.
So thank you so much for joining us.

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
Michael it was such a pleasure, absolutely anytime.

Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
So and to everyone else out there, you know what
it is like. Subscribe all that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:32:33):
And if you're listening on a podcast platform, leave it
review and and a and h a five star rating.
It really helps with that fucking algorithm, that pesky pesky algorithm.

Speaker 5 (01:32:44):
All right, keep looking up right, uh And Michael, thank
you again. We'll see you guys next time.

Speaker 4 (01:32:52):
And then

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
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