September 12, 2025 • 44 mins
In 1967, 10 nuclear missiles mysteriously went offline at Malmstrom Air Force Base after a UFO hovered over the launch site. Former Launch Control Officer Robert Salas has testified about this event for decades, and now he’s bringing it directly to the halls of power. This video captures a private briefing with Congressman Eric Burlison, facilitated by Total Disclosure, following last year’s historic session with Congresswoman Nancy Mace. Why are UFOs disabling our most powerful weapons? What does Congress know—and what comes next? Stay tuned as we bring you inside the fight for truth and transparency.
Captain Robert Salas Briefs Rep Eric Burlison After SEPTEMBER UFO hearing aboutthe 1967 Malmstrom AFB shutdown of 10 nuclear missiles by an unknown craft of non human origin. This Is His Second Member of Congress in 2 years. Facilitated by Ty Roberts Of Total Disclosure- ANd Filmed By Tyler From The New Paradigm Institute
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Captain Robert Salas Briefs Rep Eric Burlison After SEPTEMBER UFO hearing aboutthe 1967 Malmstrom AFB shutdown of 10 nuclear missiles by an unknown craft of non human origin. This Is His Second Member of Congress in 2 years. Facilitated by Ty Roberts Of Total Disclosure- ANd Filmed By Tyler From The New Paradigm Institute
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Congressman, thank you so much for sitting down with me
and allowing me to tell my story, which has been
a dream of mine for a long time, to just
speak to Congress about it.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
So thank you for your courage and your love for
this country. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
On March twenty fourth, nineteen sixty seven, I was part
of a two man crew assigned to what we called
OSCAR Flight. It was near roy, Montana, about one hundred
miles to the east of Great Falls, Montana. And what
we would do on these tour of duties to twenty
(00:59):
four hour tour of duty, we would go out and
monitor our missile systems, which we had at that time
ten minute one ICBMs, all targeted ready to go if
given the order, of course by the President, and to
(01:22):
make sure that they were in operational mode and.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Ready to go.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
We had six security people upstairs, security guards, and we
were underground. So I wanted to show you a couple
of diagrams just so we'll get the right reference. So
this is a cutaway, okay, cutaway of the what we
(01:54):
call launch control facility. And you see that capsule under Yes,
that's where we were located as a crew, and that
we had all the equipment down there that was needed.
So the buildings on top just looked like simple buildings.
They were just for the security people we had upstairs,
(02:19):
so there were rooms, you know, bedrooms for them and
their facilities. But we as a crew, a launch crew,
were located sixty feet underground and we were locked in
for twenty four hours we could not open that.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And where are the missiles in relation to work?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Okay, so the missiles were about a mile or two
and kind of a circular area. I'll show you another
little map here. So for example, okay, here's Oscar one.
(02:58):
Those are the big black dots. Those are the launch
control facilities. We had about fifteen for a minute man
one at the time in nineteen sixty seven. And here
are the missiles. You see the two three oh four
When the missiles were actually located. Those were called launch
(03:18):
facilities and they look like this. Okay, so here's the missile,
the missile silo on These are maintenance base and this
was concrete and steel, a cap kind of a cover,
you know, a cover of the silo, and during the
(03:40):
launch sequence, this would automatically retract on rails on a
railing system and if it got stuck for some reason.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
We had explosive means to remove it.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Okay, So sometime in the evening of March twenty fourth,
my commander was taking a rest break.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
We had a little.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
A little bed down there, a little cot where we
took a rest break because we're on a word status
twenty four.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
So I was in charge of the facility. I was
officer in charge.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Sometime in the evening, I can't remember exactly the time,
but it was dark out. I get a phone call
from my top side guard, which we called a flight
security controller, and he said, uh, Sorr, We've been seeing
lights in the sky flying right over the facility. Can't
(04:46):
make out any kind of control surfaces or any engines.
There's no engine noise. There's simply lights in the sky
doing very odd maneuvers like flying extremely fast, stopping on
a dime, reversing course, making ninety degree returns. And he
(05:12):
kept repeating, these are not aircrafts, or they're not aircraft.
This was a serious report. He wasn't trying to pull
a joke or a hoax or anything. And I said,
you mean like UFOs because I brought that up because
(05:34):
we had actually had reports in the wall Street in
the Great Falls Tribune in the City of Great Falls.
We'd had reports of people reporting lights in the sky
and he said, sir, they are not aircraft.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I repeat, he kept repeating that.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I said, okay, well, thank you for your report, basically
ended the call. I didn't know what else to do
with that call. Five minutes later he calls back. This
time he is very agitated. He's frightened. I can tell
by his voice he's quite frightened. He's babbling, yelling into
(06:20):
the phone. I tried to calm him down, and finally
he says, sir, I've got all the guards out. Their
weapons are pointed at this reddish orange object that's hovering
right above the front gate. Our front gate was about
i'd estimated about twelve feet tall, and so this this light,
(06:43):
this bright red orange light, was hovering right above the
front gate. And he said, what do I do, sir.
Of course, this was something I had never encountered, and
basically I told him, make sure the security of facility
(07:03):
is secure. Do whatever you have to to make sure
everything is secure. But now I was concerned because of
his tone and the fact that he is this was serious. Now,
because all the guards were out there with their weapons.
(07:24):
So I said, do what you have to secure the facility.
They said yes, sir, and hung up. He also mentioned
that one of the guards got injured. This had nothing
to do with the object. It had to do with
a possibility. He tried to fire his weapon at it
(07:45):
and fell down injured his hand in some way, a
big cut on his hand, or possibly he grabbed barbed
wire that was around the facility, but at any rate,
it was serious enough. We did send him back to
(08:06):
the base hospital. So after that we ended the call.
I looked over at our board. We have a status
board that shows the status of each missile, and they
were all green lad to launch, And I went over
to tell my commander about these phone calls.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
He was just waking up for his rest.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Break, and before I could tell him, we got a
lot of horn in the capsule, which we knew what
that meant. It meant one of the missiles at our problems.
So we look over at the board. Sure enough, one
of them went from green to red red meaning no
(08:55):
go or unwatchable. Okay, one of them, but the rest
of them went from green to red very quickly thereafter,
So within a few seconds, all ten of them were
down unwatchable. We did have We had never seen that before.
(09:19):
I was there for three years, as well as my commander.
We never experienced anything like that in the three years
I was there. This was very unusual. The system was
very reliable. We had triple redundancy on power. That's what
I was going to ask.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
So, well, you had power on site generation used commercial.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Power on site and at the loss facilities, and if
that went down, they had generators they would automatically kick on.
And if those were down, they had batteries each each
large facility had. But we did have triple redundancy. We
(10:11):
had a way of querying the system. We called it VERSA,
but that stands for Voice Recognition Systems Analysis or something
like that. But what it would tell us is basically
(10:31):
what the problem was. And when we acquered each missile,
it all had the same message guidance and control system failure. Okay,
these were inertially guided missiles in other words, we didn't
have GPS satellites at the time.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Right, and.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
We did have equipment on board the missile that would
determine its path, its direct speeded all that to the target.
So the next thing that happened is my commander called
the wing command post to report the incident after it,
(11:15):
and I called upstairs because I had to send security
teams out to two of the launch facilities that had
incursion lights illuminated, meaning something might have been at those facilities. Again,
(11:38):
they were about a mile or two away, and I asked,
of course about this red orange light and he said
it had just flown off, but it was.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
There when the missiles went. So they went down. Then
what happened? You reported up the chain.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
We reported it, and they organized maintenance crews to come
out there.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
They come back online by themselves or no.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
They do not say no because the targeting process has
to be checked and that's kind of an intricate process.
It takes a little time. But the main point I
want to make here is there was no equipment that
was damaged in any way. So the maintenance people that
(12:33):
went out there.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
And so it was just kind of shut down but
not damaged, like they had to reset it and then reconfigure.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Them, make sure the targeting was correct and and everything
was working properly, but nothing in the form of hardware
was damaged. We had no damage in the capsule and
by the way, we never lost power.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Oh the rest of you never, so you never like
the lights didn't go out, the lights didn't go out,
the missiles themsel which is why so the claim that
it was an e MP doesn't hold any water, because
light did all this other electric electrical circuitry not get fried.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Exactly if there was a proper e MP test done,
they would produce would have produced about seven million bolts
of electricity, which would have fried the equipment we had
if anyway, it was never done.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Because so when you heard have you heard the story
that we heard the day from George Nap about about
this happening in Russia a very similar.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
And that, but in Russia apparently they turned them.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
On exactly, they started the launch sequence on their missiles
and at the last moment stopped the launch of those missiles.
They not not the Russians, but this object.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
So the UAP started it and then stopped it the Russians.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And I have another Windows who I've spoken with for years,
and if you do get subpoena power, I would recommend
me to bring this guy. But he actually was one
of the mainess people who went out to the echo flight.
I didn't mention Echo. Yet let me go back a
little bit. After my commander reported it to the command post,
(14:32):
he hung out the phone, turned to me and said
the same thing happened at another flight. The same thing
happened to us, just happened another Well, I thought it
happened that evening. As it turns out, that was what
we call the Echo flight incident.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I was an Oscar. It happened at Oscar and Echo.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
It happened at Echo flight eight days earlier, eight days earlier,
March sixteenth. But again it involved UFOs over missile sites
seen by maintenance and security guards. And that witness is
(15:17):
also still living as far as I know. His name
is Walter Fiegel. I give you his contact information. He
didn't want to come forth publicly, even though I sent
him before documents that I received. He agreed to speak
(15:38):
to me by telephone and have it the conversation recorded,
so I could give you a copy of that conversation
where he confirms that his ten missiles were also shut
down during UFO settings.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
But he hasn't come forward. He hasn'tarily forward.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
His name is out there. I'm assuming because you said.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
It, because I've said okay, So just to finish my incident.
We reported it and then and again I could not
go upstairs to take a look at this object because
of security concerns keeping that capsule secure, that underground capsule,
(16:27):
because if we had been overtaken by some terrorist group,
but they could have had access to those weapons. Yeah,
none of those gentlemen that were up there, the security guards,
have come forward. I haven't been able to contact them.
A lot of them I know, were sent to Vietnam
(16:48):
because there were weapons qualified. The Air Force has a
tendency to disperse witnesses whenever they can after something like.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
This, put them in a different town, different job. Yes,
and they do that all over the countries.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
They kind of people don't talk to each other exactly.
So we were relieved.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
The next morning, I went upstairs and talked to that
security guard that I had been in contact with by phone.
I asked him to tell me again what he saw,
and at first he didn't want to talk to me.
I finally had to pull rank, but I think he
was already told that he can't talk to anybody about this,
(17:34):
including us. We were ordered back to the base. They
sent a helicopter out for us. Helicoptered back ordered to
our squad and commander's office, who, by the way, was
an old B seventeen pilot World War two old sold
of the Earth guy, Colonel George Eldridge. We walked into
(17:58):
his office. The first thing I say is was this
some kind of an Air Force exercise, you know, testing
our reaction?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That would be the most likely scenario. I said.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
He said absolutely not, absolutely not, This was not an
Air Force exercise. There was another man with him from
a fo s I or Force Office of Special Investigations,
and he shoved a piece of paper at us, said
sign here.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
What's this.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
It's a non disclosure agreement. You're never to talk about
this to anyone. Uh, under penalty of I've had a
lot of time in Love and Worth prison.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I've had to sign a couple of those. It's not
it's not fun, it's it's it's pretty. I think it's
designed to be intimidating. Yeah, well that's exactly what he did.
He intimidated.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
We signed them, and I didn't speak about it for
about twenty seven years, and I want to go over
why I thought I was able to speak about In
nineteen ninety four, I picked up this book above top.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Secret by Tety Good.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Happened to I found the title interesting, so I picked
it up off the show in a bookstore in Seattle, Washington.
This is the book I picked up. I happened to
open it up to page three hundred and one, which
I've got tagged here, and you can see that there's
(19:47):
only a small paragraph here. But this paragraph talks about
this was being shut down at now from Air Force Base.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
So did somebody else during the UFO siding.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I thought, this is published in a book being sold
to the public. The Air Force must have declassified it anyway.
That's the conclusion I jumped to. So immediately I went
home and told my wife that this incident did happen.
(20:21):
I was part of it because it describes what I
hazily recalled at that time. Remember, twenty seven years had
gone by a lot of water under the bridge. I
had forgotten some of the details on purpose. I know
you've had access to classified I've had classified access, and
(20:47):
the best thing to do with that information is if
you're not using it, is to forget it. You don't
want to reveal anything classified?
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, well, I mean it helps in the decision matrix, right,
if any kind of decisions that come forward.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
But yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
So I consciously or subconsciously forgot a lot of the details.
I did remember the basic incident, but I forgot who
my commander was. But I started doing some research, talking
to people I knew in the Air Force and making contacts.
(21:27):
But I thought this was my incident. Yeah, And so
I got a hold of and I thought it'd be
be classified because here it wasn't a book. I can
go into that in detail further. But the next thing
I did was to contact an investigator for the mutual
UFO network move on, move On, Yeah, and asked for
(21:52):
an investigator to assist me in filing a FOYER request
to the Air Force, which we did, but I told him,
don't say anything about UFOs. The Air Force writes back
and says, essentially, this incident is still classified. However, since
(22:15):
it's been so long, we're going to declassify it. The
Air Force declassified what turned out to be the Echo
Flight incident. I was thinking I might have been at
Echo Flight at the time of the incident, because at
(22:35):
times we did substitute in from different squadrons. We had
three squadrons. I was in the four ninetieth echoes in
the tenth squadron. But at any rate, the Air Force
started sending his documentation for documentation. They declassified the incident
(22:59):
and marked unclassified. Now on all the documents they sent me,
A lot of them are in this book I gave.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
You Faded Giant. Okay, this book here.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yes, and so when you.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
When you describe the objects and the lights, But did
you see a shape like a saw anything?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I did ask the guard upstairs when I talked to him,
try to look inside, actually on the phone, I asked
him trying to look inside the bright light. He said
it was very bright, hard to see anything internal to
the light, but he made the effort and said generally
(23:47):
there was some kind of an object there that was
old shaped.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Those are the words are used. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I've heard of this story multiple times. It's one of
the top stories that people talk about. One of the
most important UAP events that in the history of the
United States, probably next to Roswell.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
And you were there, Yes, I was there. That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Okay, So Air Force d classifies the Ego incident. I
still think it was the incident I was involved in,
And so I went public. I went on the Art
Belt Show in nineteen ninety six. As a result of that,
a man by the name of Robert Kaminski, who was
head of the Boying investigative team that looked into this,
(24:44):
contacted me said, I know a lot about this. He
ran the investigation for Boeing. Boy was the top contractor
on the minute Men system, and he wrote us a
long letter. He says that his team and looked at
everything from lightning to he could find no good reason
(25:11):
for this to happen. However, later on we did talk
to two Bulleying engineers who did a bench test on
what's called the logic coupler. The logic coupler, think of
it as an onboard computer that would take information from
(25:33):
the accelerometers, velocity meters, the guidance equipment that we had
on board, such as gyroscopes. It would take that data
(25:54):
and calculate whether or not the missile was on track
the target. Okay, so if you could think of it
like that, and uh. They did a bench test on
this logic coupler, and they found out that with a
particular signal frequency and duration, they could upset momentarily the
(26:20):
logic coupler.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
In other words, Uh, make it inoperable for a short time.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Okay, to a particular frequency.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I've got that data.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Like, is it like an audible thing or is it? No,
it's a signal? Okay, so like a like a in
the LightWave, no, sir, Or what kind of is an
electrical pulse?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Electrical signal? Okay? They were able.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
To interfere with the operational logic coupler with this signal
on a bench test. So they had the eye this
logic coupler on a bench inserted signal, and they concluded
this could have caused the missile to shut down her
(27:18):
guidance failure. But they concluded that they could not possibly
imagine a way that this signal could be could have
been inserted externally, but it was. They concluded again, this
is all the documentation that some external signal was sent
(27:43):
to each missile within seconds. The missiles were separate, isolated electronically. Right,
we had a large cabling system sensitive network to each
missile separately that came from our capsule underground.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
To each missile separately, but it.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Was triply shielded against electromagnetic interference. Again, triplely shielded, highly
secure from any kind of EMI. Somehow this object was
able to send that signal or something like it.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
To each missile separately.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Even though it's not connected to the network or anything
like that. It's not physically connected at all. It's just
sending some kind of frequency signal.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
But it would have.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Had to penetrate sixty feet of earth and concrete. Remember
this thing was a right object. Would have to send
some signal to sixty feet of earth and concrete and
then penetrate these huge cables. These were about eight inches
in diameter cables. Have to penetrate that and the redundant
(29:10):
of the protections that it had against the MII, and
then send it to this particular piece of hardware. So
Boy concluded in their investigation that they had no answer
for how that could have happened, and they documented it
(29:35):
and also confirmed by this Robert Kominski who wrote to us. Now,
the Air Force did their own investigation, which was classified.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
By the way, the Air Force.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Never do you think that was the investigation that Arrow
says led to the I believe what led error to
believe that this was an emp or caused by an
EMP or anything like that, and separate investigation.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
And I don't think that was the conclusion the Air
Force came to. But this document is still classified.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Now the title of the document et cetera is listed
in this book. We tried to get it under FOYA.
The Air Force would not release it. Still classified even
though the incident is declassified. But in there, if you
could get a hold of it, you should be able
(30:46):
to get the position of the Air Force as to
what the cause was. Because the crews were never debriefed
on either the Echo or the Oscar incident. And we
got briefed every time I went out on alert status,
and we had above top secret clearances, we had very
(31:08):
high clearances, but we never got briefed on either the
investigation or what the suspected cause was. To this day,
the Air Force has not commented.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Have they publicly acknowledged that it happened, but they don't
know why it happened, or they're not saying anything.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
They're not saying anything, Okay. And I've asked many times.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
And obviously you've come forward of your colleagues, has any
what did anyone else come forward?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Colonel Fiegel, Colonel Mywold who was my commander, who in
nineteen ninety six I was finally able to locate and
talked to We met Henderson, Nevada. That's where he lived
when we spoke about this. He wrote to me, also
(32:06):
confirming the basics.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
So the three of us have gone public.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Got I've got an audio tape of my conversations with
Colonel Mywald, who was, by the way, a very UH
senior officer, a strategic care command by the time he
finished his career, and Robert Jamison. Jamison was the He
(32:39):
was a captain at the time, head of the targeting
team that went out to OSCAR flight to bring all
those birds back up on alert status.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
UH.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
He confirmed that UFOs were involved because he heard it
from his command structure, and he identified the date based
on other things that happened March twenty fourth that evening,
including flyovers of UFOs right over Mels from Air Force
(33:12):
Base seen on radar, and including another instinct, which I
call a belt sighting involving a truck driver, the highway patrol,
the Sheriff's department all saw it landed in.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
This town of Belt Montanga. Wow. Yeah, and that's documented
in here. Why did I come forward again? I think
I told you what but you didn't.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
You didn't even tell your wife about this, not for
twenty seven years. You kept the secret for twenty seven
years to yourself.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yes, sir, Yeah I didn't. I couldn't. I will twenty
five years.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Well, we married in sixty nine, but twenty seven years
from the time of the incident, yeah, huh.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
And then were there ever moments and that was twenty
five issues that or twenty seven years right where you
hadn't said anything, but you know, the topic would come
up and you felt, you felt like you really wanted
to say something.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Oh many times, many times.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
That's why I couldn't wait to talk about this, because
right after the incident happened and they tried to, of
course keep us quiet about it. It was very very
strange to me or unusual, especially that we didn't get
(34:47):
debriefed on the investigations that were ongoing.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah, they just took your information and then they didn't
tell you what was happening, which is similar to some
of the testimony that we've heard, right, you know in
the recent hearing that the channel the communication went upstream,
but they never received anything back right there any direction
where ready to go.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
So I knew it was a cover up, and I
go into the reasons for the cover up in this book.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
We wouldn't want the world to know that we couldn't
turn on our off our own missiles.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
That would be terrifying, right, And.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I think it's still terrifying to the d D because I, yeah,
I don't think they can explain it to this day.
All right, there's another gentleman that might come forward if
he was subpoened.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Okay, I'll call him Texts.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Okay, but Texts was executive of an aerospace company. Actually
now he's retired, but he was one of the targeting
officers that went out to one of the Echo flight
birds to bring it back up on alert. So he
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was working on doing that. I was out there at
one of the launch facilities, has security guard upstairs, and
text was going through his checklist when the security guard
motioned there was something above us above him, and it
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turned out to be an ORB, an orange colored orb
I was hovering above him. Text goes up, takes a look, says,
reported back to the base. But I got to get
back to work. It's important I get the Echo flight
back up on alert status. So as he went through
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his checklist and got to a point where he was
about to switch everything on bring everything back up on alert,
and it shut down. He didn't know why, but he
decided to go back through his checklist again, and he
said he did this multiple times, but while this object
(37:17):
was above him there, it would shut down at a
particular spot and that checklist the same place each time.
He said, he tried it multiple, many times, until that
orange ball of light left. He couldn't bring the missiles
(37:37):
back up, which told him and tells me, inforced me
that they knew in great detail. They whoever is controlling
these things, know in great detail how our systems operate,
our missile systems. And again that was proven in Russia
(38:01):
by that incident. Yeah, they knew in great detail how
those things operate, and they could at will.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Disabled, disabled them, or activate them or activate So based
on that, knowing that, that's that happened and they and
they haven't done anything to destroy us or to cause
you know, so, what what does that lead you to lead?
Speaker 2 (38:27):
You? Ever? Try to speculate what is the intention?
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yes, I have, sir, I'm sorry to admit this is speculation,
but because of the many.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Well you haven't talked to them yet, you haven't been
able to talk to. You don't know firsthand why they know.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
In this book, I've identified thirteen incidents oh really yeah, where.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
UFOs have flown over.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Nuclear weapons storage facilities or have actually shut down missiles,
and those are identified in here with witness names. But
at each time, again, there was no damage done to
the weapon systems. They were trying to send us a message.
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And what could that message be but get rid of
these damn things. They are not going to be used
as weapons of war because if they were, the result
would be annihilation, right of our civilization, and we had
a true nuclear war. So what's the real purpose. The
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real purpose is deterrence, right, And that's one of the
reasons the DoD does not want people like me speaking
publicly about this, because deterrence is the very basis of
our national security. Publishes a nuclear Posture review about every
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two years, and they make that statement.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Clear, nuclear weapons or nuclear.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Deterrence is the basis of our national security. They don't
want to hear any talk about abolishing nuclear weapons, even
though under the Obama administration, I hate to bring a
Democrat up, but under the Obama administration, under the new
what is it called New Start Treaty. The US and
(40:37):
Russia signed a declaration that they would have that as
an objective, you know, getting down to zero nukes, working
together through inspections and the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
So I think that is the message. But again it's
just speculation.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
That's all we could do at this point is speculate,
right right.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Wow, what a story. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
And you know, it took a lot of courage to
come forward, and just like the people that have come
forward today. So now having done this, and you do
you do you recognize the legacy that you've kind of
created because you're one of the first ones to come forward,
and now you're seeing more and more people stepping in.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
The courage is contagious.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
You created, you set, you created that path, and you
have inspired so many other people to come forward.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
I have, and I failed to mention a man by
the name of David Schandell who in nineteen sixty six
was stationed at Minor Air Force Base, again a nuclear.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Missile base.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
In nineteen sixty six, he goes in to relieve a crew,
but as he arrived at the facility, the security guards
upstairs tell him about what happened the previous evening, and
again OBJ comes.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Over and shuts down their ten missiles. This is documented. Again.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
The witnesses that the crew on duty at the time
have been identified.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
They're still living. They could be.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Brought to testify, of course, mister Chadelli is willing to
testify also. But within the span that happened September of
sixty six, ours happened in March of sixty seven. Within
the span of six months, we have UFOs disabling at
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each incident ten missiles. So in the span of six
months we lost thirty missiles during uf Wow.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
That should be a headline. So it's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Well, thank you again, thank you for you know, stepping forward,
stepping in the light. And you know, I think I've
said this in the often that this topic is so
important that it's not for this US government to hold
on to you, or any government to maintain or control
(43:29):
and keep from its citizens or the people of earth,
whether or not we're you.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Know, we're alone.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
And I think that it's taken people like you to
step forward and really help everybody.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
And I can't thank you enough. So thank you, sir,
appreciate you, thank you. I appreciate you go to
Congressman, thank you so much for sitting down with me
and allowing me to tell my story, which has been
a dream of mine for a long time, to just
speak to Congress about it.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
So thank you for your courage and your love for
this country. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
On March twenty fourth, nineteen sixty seven, I was part
of a two man crew assigned to what we called
OSCAR Flight. It was near roy, Montana, about one hundred
miles to the east of Great Falls, Montana. And what
we would do on these tour of duties to twenty
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four hour tour of duty, we would go out and
monitor our missile systems, which we had at that time
ten minute one ICBMs, all targeted ready to go if
given the order, of course by the President, and to
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make sure that they were in operational mode and.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Ready to go.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
We had six security people upstairs, security guards, and we
were underground. So I wanted to show you a couple
of diagrams just so we'll get the right reference. So
this is a cutaway, okay, cutaway of the what we
(01:54):
call launch control facility. And you see that capsule under Yes,
that's where we were located as a crew, and that
we had all the equipment down there that was needed.
So the buildings on top just looked like simple buildings.
They were just for the security people we had upstairs,
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so there were rooms, you know, bedrooms for them and
their facilities. But we as a crew, a launch crew,
were located sixty feet underground and we were locked in
for twenty four hours we could not open that.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And where are the missiles in relation to work?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Okay, so the missiles were about a mile or two
and kind of a circular area. I'll show you another
little map here. So for example, okay, here's Oscar one.
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Those are the big black dots. Those are the launch
control facilities. We had about fifteen for a minute man
one at the time in nineteen sixty seven. And here
are the missiles. You see the two three oh four
When the missiles were actually located. Those were called launch
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facilities and they look like this. Okay, so here's the missile,
the missile silo on These are maintenance base and this
was concrete and steel, a cap kind of a cover,
you know, a cover of the silo, and during the
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launch sequence, this would automatically retract on rails on a
railing system and if it got stuck for some reason.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
We had explosive means to remove it.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Okay, So sometime in the evening of March twenty fourth,
my commander was taking a rest break.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
We had a little.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
A little bed down there, a little cot where we
took a rest break because we're on a word status
twenty four.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
So I was in charge of the facility. I was
officer in charge.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Sometime in the evening, I can't remember exactly the time,
but it was dark out. I get a phone call
from my top side guard, which we called a flight
security controller, and he said, uh, Sorr, We've been seeing
lights in the sky flying right over the facility. Can't
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make out any kind of control surfaces or any engines.
There's no engine noise. There's simply lights in the sky
doing very odd maneuvers like flying extremely fast, stopping on
a dime, reversing course, making ninety degree returns. And he
(05:12):
kept repeating, these are not aircrafts, or they're not aircraft.
This was a serious report. He wasn't trying to pull
a joke or a hoax or anything. And I said,
you mean like UFOs because I brought that up because
(05:34):
we had actually had reports in the wall Street in
the Great Falls Tribune in the City of Great Falls.
We'd had reports of people reporting lights in the sky
and he said, sir, they are not aircraft.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I repeat, he kept repeating that.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I said, okay, well, thank you for your report, basically
ended the call. I didn't know what else to do
with that call. Five minutes later he calls back. This
time he is very agitated. He's frightened. I can tell
by his voice he's quite frightened. He's babbling, yelling into
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the phone. I tried to calm him down, and finally
he says, sir, I've got all the guards out. Their
weapons are pointed at this reddish orange object that's hovering
right above the front gate. Our front gate was about
i'd estimated about twelve feet tall, and so this this light,
(06:43):
this bright red orange light, was hovering right above the
front gate. And he said, what do I do, sir.
Of course, this was something I had never encountered, and
basically I told him, make sure the security of facility
(07:03):
is secure. Do whatever you have to to make sure
everything is secure. But now I was concerned because of
his tone and the fact that he is this was serious. Now,
because all the guards were out there with their weapons.
(07:24):
So I said, do what you have to secure the facility.
They said yes, sir, and hung up. He also mentioned
that one of the guards got injured. This had nothing
to do with the object. It had to do with
a possibility. He tried to fire his weapon at it
(07:45):
and fell down injured his hand in some way, a
big cut on his hand, or possibly he grabbed barbed
wire that was around the facility, but at any rate,
it was serious enough. We did send him back to
(08:06):
the base hospital. So after that we ended the call.
I looked over at our board. We have a status
board that shows the status of each missile, and they
were all green lad to launch, And I went over
to tell my commander about these phone calls.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
He was just waking up for his rest.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Break, and before I could tell him, we got a
lot of horn in the capsule, which we knew what
that meant. It meant one of the missiles at our problems.
So we look over at the board. Sure enough, one
of them went from green to red red meaning no
(08:55):
go or unwatchable. Okay, one of them, but the rest
of them went from green to red very quickly thereafter,
So within a few seconds, all ten of them were
down unwatchable. We did have We had never seen that before.
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I was there for three years, as well as my commander.
We never experienced anything like that in the three years
I was there. This was very unusual. The system was
very reliable. We had triple redundancy on power. That's what
I was going to ask.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
So, well, you had power on site generation used commercial.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Power on site and at the loss facilities, and if
that went down, they had generators they would automatically kick on.
And if those were down, they had batteries each each
large facility had. But we did have triple redundancy. We
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had a way of querying the system. We called it VERSA,
but that stands for Voice Recognition Systems Analysis or something
like that. But what it would tell us is basically
(10:31):
what the problem was. And when we acquered each missile,
it all had the same message guidance and control system failure. Okay,
these were inertially guided missiles in other words, we didn't
have GPS satellites at the time.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Right, and.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
We did have equipment on board the missile that would
determine its path, its direct speeded all that to the target.
So the next thing that happened is my commander called
the wing command post to report the incident after it,
(11:15):
and I called upstairs because I had to send security
teams out to two of the launch facilities that had
incursion lights illuminated, meaning something might have been at those facilities. Again,
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they were about a mile or two away, and I asked,
of course about this red orange light and he said
it had just flown off, but it was.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
There when the missiles went. So they went down. Then
what happened? You reported up the chain.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
We reported it, and they organized maintenance crews to come
out there.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
They come back online by themselves or no.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
They do not say no because the targeting process has
to be checked and that's kind of an intricate process.
It takes a little time. But the main point I
want to make here is there was no equipment that
was damaged in any way. So the maintenance people that
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went out there.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
And so it was just kind of shut down but
not damaged, like they had to reset it and then reconfigure.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Them, make sure the targeting was correct and and everything
was working properly, but nothing in the form of hardware
was damaged. We had no damage in the capsule and
by the way, we never lost power.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Oh the rest of you never, so you never like
the lights didn't go out, the lights didn't go out,
the missiles themsel which is why so the claim that
it was an e MP doesn't hold any water, because
light did all this other electric electrical circuitry not get fried.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Exactly if there was a proper e MP test done,
they would produce would have produced about seven million bolts
of electricity, which would have fried the equipment we had
if anyway, it was never done.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Because so when you heard have you heard the story
that we heard the day from George Nap about about
this happening in Russia a very similar.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
And that, but in Russia apparently they turned them.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
On exactly, they started the launch sequence on their missiles
and at the last moment stopped the launch of those missiles.
They not not the Russians, but this object.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
So the UAP started it and then stopped it the Russians.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And I have another Windows who I've spoken with for years,
and if you do get subpoena power, I would recommend
me to bring this guy. But he actually was one
of the mainess people who went out to the echo flight.
I didn't mention Echo. Yet let me go back a
little bit. After my commander reported it to the command post,
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he hung out the phone, turned to me and said
the same thing happened at another flight. The same thing
happened to us, just happened another Well, I thought it
happened that evening. As it turns out, that was what
we call the Echo flight incident.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I was an Oscar. It happened at Oscar and Echo.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
It happened at Echo flight eight days earlier, eight days earlier,
March sixteenth. But again it involved UFOs over missile sites
seen by maintenance and security guards. And that witness is
(15:17):
also still living as far as I know. His name
is Walter Fiegel. I give you his contact information. He
didn't want to come forth publicly, even though I sent
him before documents that I received. He agreed to speak
(15:38):
to me by telephone and have it the conversation recorded,
so I could give you a copy of that conversation
where he confirms that his ten missiles were also shut
down during UFO settings.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
But he hasn't come forward. He hasn'tarily forward.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
His name is out there. I'm assuming because you said.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
It, because I've said okay, So just to finish my incident.
We reported it and then and again I could not
go upstairs to take a look at this object because
of security concerns keeping that capsule secure, that underground capsule,
(16:27):
because if we had been overtaken by some terrorist group,
but they could have had access to those weapons. Yeah,
none of those gentlemen that were up there, the security guards,
have come forward. I haven't been able to contact them.
A lot of them I know, were sent to Vietnam
(16:48):
because there were weapons qualified. The Air Force has a
tendency to disperse witnesses whenever they can after something like.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
This, put them in a different town, different job. Yes,
and they do that all over the countries.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
They kind of people don't talk to each other exactly.
So we were relieved.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
The next morning, I went upstairs and talked to that
security guard that I had been in contact with by phone.
I asked him to tell me again what he saw,
and at first he didn't want to talk to me.
I finally had to pull rank, but I think he
was already told that he can't talk to anybody about this,
(17:34):
including us. We were ordered back to the base. They
sent a helicopter out for us. Helicoptered back ordered to
our squad and commander's office, who, by the way, was
an old B seventeen pilot World War two old sold
of the Earth guy, Colonel George Eldridge. We walked into
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his office. The first thing I say is was this
some kind of an Air Force exercise, you know, testing
our reaction?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That would be the most likely scenario. I said.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
He said absolutely not, absolutely not, This was not an
Air Force exercise. There was another man with him from
a fo s I or Force Office of Special Investigations,
and he shoved a piece of paper at us, said
sign here.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
What's this.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
It's a non disclosure agreement. You're never to talk about
this to anyone. Uh, under penalty of I've had a
lot of time in Love and Worth prison.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I've had to sign a couple of those. It's not
it's not fun, it's it's it's pretty. I think it's
designed to be intimidating. Yeah, well that's exactly what he did.
He intimidated.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
We signed them, and I didn't speak about it for
about twenty seven years, and I want to go over
why I thought I was able to speak about In
nineteen ninety four, I picked up this book above top.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Secret by Tety Good.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Happened to I found the title interesting, so I picked
it up off the show in a bookstore in Seattle, Washington.
This is the book I picked up. I happened to
open it up to page three hundred and one, which
I've got tagged here, and you can see that there's
(19:47):
only a small paragraph here. But this paragraph talks about
this was being shut down at now from Air Force Base.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
So did somebody else during the UFO siding.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I thought, this is published in a book being sold
to the public. The Air Force must have declassified it anyway.
That's the conclusion I jumped to. So immediately I went
home and told my wife that this incident did happen.
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I was part of it because it describes what I
hazily recalled at that time. Remember, twenty seven years had
gone by a lot of water under the bridge. I
had forgotten some of the details on purpose. I know
you've had access to classified I've had classified access, and
(20:47):
the best thing to do with that information is if
you're not using it, is to forget it. You don't
want to reveal anything classified?
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, well, I mean it helps in the decision matrix, right,
if any kind of decisions that come forward.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
But yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
So I consciously or subconsciously forgot a lot of the details.
I did remember the basic incident, but I forgot who
my commander was. But I started doing some research, talking
to people I knew in the Air Force and making contacts.
(21:27):
But I thought this was my incident. Yeah, And so
I got a hold of and I thought it'd be
be classified because here it wasn't a book. I can
go into that in detail further. But the next thing
I did was to contact an investigator for the mutual
UFO network move on, move On, Yeah, and asked for
(21:52):
an investigator to assist me in filing a FOYER request
to the Air Force, which we did, but I told him,
don't say anything about UFOs. The Air Force writes back
and says, essentially, this incident is still classified. However, since
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it's been so long, we're going to declassify it. The
Air Force declassified what turned out to be the Echo
Flight incident. I was thinking I might have been at
Echo Flight at the time of the incident, because at
(22:35):
times we did substitute in from different squadrons. We had
three squadrons. I was in the four ninetieth echoes in
the tenth squadron. But at any rate, the Air Force
started sending his documentation for documentation. They declassified the incident
(22:59):
and marked unclassified. Now on all the documents they sent me,
A lot of them are in this book I gave.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
You Faded Giant. Okay, this book here.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yes, and so when you.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
When you describe the objects and the lights, But did
you see a shape like a saw anything?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I did ask the guard upstairs when I talked to him,
try to look inside, actually on the phone, I asked
him trying to look inside the bright light. He said
it was very bright, hard to see anything internal to
the light, but he made the effort and said generally
(23:47):
there was some kind of an object there that was
old shaped.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Those are the words are used. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I've heard of this story multiple times. It's one of
the top stories that people talk about. One of the
most important UAP events that in the history of the
United States, probably next to Roswell.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
And you were there, Yes, I was there. That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Okay, So Air Force d classifies the Ego incident. I
still think it was the incident I was involved in,
And so I went public. I went on the Art
Belt Show in nineteen ninety six. As a result of that,
a man by the name of Robert Kaminski, who was
head of the Boying investigative team that looked into this,
(24:44):
contacted me said, I know a lot about this. He
ran the investigation for Boeing. Boy was the top contractor
on the minute Men system, and he wrote us a
long letter. He says that his team and looked at
everything from lightning to he could find no good reason
(25:11):
for this to happen. However, later on we did talk
to two Bulleying engineers who did a bench test on
what's called the logic coupler. The logic coupler, think of
it as an onboard computer that would take information from
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the accelerometers, velocity meters, the guidance equipment that we had
on board, such as gyroscopes. It would take that data
(25:54):
and calculate whether or not the missile was on track
the target. Okay, so if you could think of it
like that, and uh. They did a bench test on
this logic coupler, and they found out that with a
particular signal frequency and duration, they could upset momentarily the
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logic coupler.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
In other words, Uh, make it inoperable for a short time.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Okay, to a particular frequency.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I've got that data.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Like, is it like an audible thing or is it? No,
it's a signal? Okay, so like a like a in
the LightWave, no, sir, Or what kind of is an
electrical pulse?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Electrical signal? Okay? They were able.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
To interfere with the operational logic coupler with this signal
on a bench test. So they had the eye this
logic coupler on a bench inserted signal, and they concluded
this could have caused the missile to shut down her
(27:18):
guidance failure. But they concluded that they could not possibly
imagine a way that this signal could be could have
been inserted externally, but it was. They concluded again, this
is all the documentation that some external signal was sent
(27:43):
to each missile within seconds. The missiles were separate, isolated electronically. Right,
we had a large cabling system sensitive network to each
missile separately that came from our capsule underground.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
To each missile separately, but it.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Was triply shielded against electromagnetic interference. Again, triplely shielded, highly
secure from any kind of EMI. Somehow this object was
able to send that signal or something like it.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
To each missile separately.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Even though it's not connected to the network or anything
like that. It's not physically connected at all. It's just
sending some kind of frequency signal.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
But it would have.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Had to penetrate sixty feet of earth and concrete. Remember
this thing was a right object. Would have to send
some signal to sixty feet of earth and concrete and
then penetrate these huge cables. These were about eight inches
in diameter cables. Have to penetrate that and the redundant
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of the protections that it had against the MII, and
then send it to this particular piece of hardware. So
Boy concluded in their investigation that they had no answer
for how that could have happened, and they documented it
(29:35):
and also confirmed by this Robert Kominski who wrote to us. Now,
the Air Force did their own investigation, which was classified.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
By the way, the Air Force.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Never do you think that was the investigation that Arrow
says led to the I believe what led error to
believe that this was an emp or caused by an
EMP or anything like that, and separate investigation.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
And I don't think that was the conclusion the Air
Force came to. But this document is still classified.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Now the title of the document et cetera is listed
in this book. We tried to get it under FOYA.
The Air Force would not release it. Still classified even
though the incident is declassified. But in there, if you
could get a hold of it, you should be able
(30:46):
to get the position of the Air Force as to
what the cause was. Because the crews were never debriefed
on either the Echo or the Oscar incident. And we
got briefed every time I went out on alert status,
and we had above top secret clearances, we had very
(31:08):
high clearances, but we never got briefed on either the
investigation or what the suspected cause was. To this day,
the Air Force has not commented.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Have they publicly acknowledged that it happened, but they don't
know why it happened, or they're not saying anything.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
They're not saying anything, Okay. And I've asked many times.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
And obviously you've come forward of your colleagues, has any
what did anyone else come forward?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Colonel Fiegel, Colonel Mywold who was my commander, who in
nineteen ninety six I was finally able to locate and
talked to We met Henderson, Nevada. That's where he lived
when we spoke about this. He wrote to me, also
(32:06):
confirming the basics.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
So the three of us have gone public.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Got I've got an audio tape of my conversations with
Colonel Mywald, who was, by the way, a very UH
senior officer, a strategic care command by the time he
finished his career, and Robert Jamison. Jamison was the He
(32:39):
was a captain at the time, head of the targeting
team that went out to OSCAR flight to bring all
those birds back up on alert status.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
UH.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
He confirmed that UFOs were involved because he heard it
from his command structure, and he identified the date based
on other things that happened March twenty fourth that evening,
including flyovers of UFOs right over Mels from Air Force
(33:12):
Base seen on radar, and including another instinct, which I
call a belt sighting involving a truck driver, the highway patrol,
the Sheriff's department all saw it landed in.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
This town of Belt Montanga. Wow. Yeah, and that's documented
in here. Why did I come forward again? I think
I told you what but you didn't.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
You didn't even tell your wife about this, not for
twenty seven years. You kept the secret for twenty seven
years to yourself.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yes, sir, Yeah I didn't. I couldn't. I will twenty
five years.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Well, we married in sixty nine, but twenty seven years
from the time of the incident, yeah, huh.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
And then were there ever moments and that was twenty
five issues that or twenty seven years right where you
hadn't said anything, but you know, the topic would come
up and you felt, you felt like you really wanted
to say something.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Oh many times, many times.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
That's why I couldn't wait to talk about this, because
right after the incident happened and they tried to, of
course keep us quiet about it. It was very very
strange to me or unusual, especially that we didn't get
(34:47):
debriefed on the investigations that were ongoing.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah, they just took your information and then they didn't
tell you what was happening, which is similar to some
of the testimony that we've heard, right, you know in
the recent hearing that the channel the communication went upstream,
but they never received anything back right there any direction
where ready to go.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
So I knew it was a cover up, and I
go into the reasons for the cover up in this book.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
We wouldn't want the world to know that we couldn't
turn on our off our own missiles.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
That would be terrifying, right, And.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I think it's still terrifying to the d D because I, yeah,
I don't think they can explain it to this day.
All right, there's another gentleman that might come forward if
he was subpoened.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Okay, I'll call him Texts.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Okay, but Texts was executive of an aerospace company. Actually
now he's retired, but he was one of the targeting
officers that went out to one of the Echo flight
birds to bring it back up on alert. So he
(36:07):
was working on doing that. I was out there at
one of the launch facilities, has security guard upstairs, and
text was going through his checklist when the security guard
motioned there was something above us above him, and it
(36:29):
turned out to be an ORB, an orange colored orb
I was hovering above him. Text goes up, takes a look, says,
reported back to the base. But I got to get
back to work. It's important I get the Echo flight
back up on alert status. So as he went through
(36:53):
his checklist and got to a point where he was
about to switch everything on bring everything back up on alert,
and it shut down. He didn't know why, but he
decided to go back through his checklist again, and he
said he did this multiple times, but while this object
(37:17):
was above him there, it would shut down at a
particular spot and that checklist the same place each time.
He said, he tried it multiple, many times, until that
orange ball of light left. He couldn't bring the missiles
(37:37):
back up, which told him and tells me, inforced me
that they knew in great detail. They whoever is controlling
these things, know in great detail how our systems operate,
our missile systems. And again that was proven in Russia
(38:01):
by that incident. Yeah, they knew in great detail how
those things operate, and they could at will.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Disabled, disabled them, or activate them or activate So based
on that, knowing that, that's that happened and they and
they haven't done anything to destroy us or to cause
you know, so, what what does that lead you to lead?
Speaker 2 (38:27):
You? Ever? Try to speculate what is the intention?
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yes, I have, sir, I'm sorry to admit this is speculation,
but because of the many.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Well you haven't talked to them yet, you haven't been
able to talk to. You don't know firsthand why they know.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
In this book, I've identified thirteen incidents oh really yeah, where.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
UFOs have flown over.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Nuclear weapons storage facilities or have actually shut down missiles,
and those are identified in here with witness names. But
at each time, again, there was no damage done to
the weapon systems. They were trying to send us a message.
(39:18):
And what could that message be but get rid of
these damn things. They are not going to be used
as weapons of war because if they were, the result
would be annihilation, right of our civilization, and we had
a true nuclear war. So what's the real purpose. The
(39:43):
real purpose is deterrence, right, And that's one of the
reasons the DoD does not want people like me speaking
publicly about this, because deterrence is the very basis of
our national security. Publishes a nuclear Posture review about every
(40:04):
two years, and they make that statement.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Clear, nuclear weapons or nuclear.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Deterrence is the basis of our national security. They don't
want to hear any talk about abolishing nuclear weapons, even
though under the Obama administration, I hate to bring a
Democrat up, but under the Obama administration, under the new
what is it called New Start Treaty. The US and
(40:37):
Russia signed a declaration that they would have that as
an objective, you know, getting down to zero nukes, working
together through inspections and the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
So I think that is the message. But again it's
just speculation.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
That's all we could do at this point is speculate,
right right.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Wow, what a story. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
And you know, it took a lot of courage to
come forward, and just like the people that have come
forward today. So now having done this, and you do
you do you recognize the legacy that you've kind of
created because you're one of the first ones to come forward,
and now you're seeing more and more people stepping in.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
The courage is contagious.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
You created, you set, you created that path, and you
have inspired so many other people to come forward.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
I have, and I failed to mention a man by
the name of David Schandell who in nineteen sixty six
was stationed at Minor Air Force Base, again a nuclear.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Missile base.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
In nineteen sixty six, he goes in to relieve a crew,
but as he arrived at the facility, the security guards
upstairs tell him about what happened the previous evening, and
again OBJ comes.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Over and shuts down their ten missiles. This is documented. Again.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
The witnesses that the crew on duty at the time
have been identified.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
They're still living. They could be.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Brought to testify, of course, mister Chadelli is willing to
testify also. But within the span that happened September of
sixty six, ours happened in March of sixty seven. Within
the span of six months, we have UFOs disabling at
(42:51):
each incident ten missiles. So in the span of six
months we lost thirty missiles during uf Wow.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
That should be a headline. So it's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Well, thank you again, thank you for you know, stepping forward,
stepping in the light. And you know, I think I've
said this in the often that this topic is so
important that it's not for this US government to hold
on to you, or any government to maintain or control
(43:29):
and keep from its citizens or the people of earth,
whether or not we're you.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Know, we're alone.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
And I think that it's taken people like you to
step forward and really help everybody.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
And I can't thank you enough. So thank you, sir,
appreciate you, thank you. I appreciate you go to
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