Congress Briefing PART 2- Dr Eric Davis- Lue Elizondo Avi Loeb & More On The Science Of UAPs & Research

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, globe for the Department of Defense, right, anything from
UM operations to special LIVESCETS programs and everything else.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Christian ben a spirit in.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Public engagement, getting the academic community, in the scientific community,
everything intelligence community also apply their efforts.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
And time and talent and resources to this very real route.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
The next individual is it's Fir Common uh Milk, former
senior military officer as well, and it's very senior stafford
on the Senate side for the Senate Armament Services community,
was instrumental in helping.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Get doctor Eric Davis to why classified readings to certain
members of Congress.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I will say that's not my ways to say.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Kirk has been in the shadows for a very long time,
and he has been extremely effective in getting this topic
at the highest and to the attention of the highest
levels of our governments, and that to other administrations as well,
not just this one, and the one before the one
before that as well. So with that said, there's a
whole lot of work and go, and I canst probably

(01:34):
half an hour their academic day and their accomplishments, but
rather what I'd like to do is spend some of
that time instead and allowing them to have a discussion
with you here today, some questions. I think Chris Weldon
has some presentation like why so I'm going to go
to the floor to Chrison Mellon police, welcome.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
Our new panel.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Which like the present, Yeah, it'll come up the MM
projectable party.

Speaker 6 (02:05):
MM I think you live for that.

Speaker 7 (02:07):
UH over the UH kind of destruction and UH my
danks to the to the congressman for taking time out
of their busy schedules and be here with us. And
everyone else have contributed, especially Jordan Flowers.

Speaker 8 (02:22):
UH.

Speaker 7 (02:23):
I just returned from UH South America uh or for
about four weeks, and UH promise that I would not
work at.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Anyth related up the whole time, and got back here
and made a quick turn uh all under the weather.

Speaker 7 (02:40):
It wouldn't have a briefing if it wasn't for UH,
for Jordan and UH in his assistance.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
UH.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
What I want to talk about, UH is I don't
think the public is aware of.

Speaker 7 (02:51):
The extent of our airspace for her abilities and failures
and the degree of which already been exploited and are
being exploited today, and the challenge that we face and
trying to sort this out. I also want to pivot
a little bit based on earlier conversations.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
I wasn't going to get into this so much.

Speaker 7 (03:17):
But doctor Lowe talked about spending a million dollars so
to adult new sensors and wife information. One of my
career frustrations in the intelligence community has been that we.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Have incredible sensors.

Speaker 7 (03:35):
That are far more than a million dollars, and we
have a great many of them, and they are collect
the information today which is directly impertinent to this topic.
But that information is not reaching Congress. It's not reaching
the scientific community in many cases, I don't think it's

(03:55):
reached Juniero, which is the office that Congress established to
study and dialuating this phenomenon.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
So we could have the first slide plays the system
unit the RAM.

Speaker 7 (04:09):
Yeah, so here's just a little overview of talkinism in
the touchdown, which is the word shocking I think is
not an exaggeration or hypertal in this case. We really
are effectively dated from your standpoint when it comes to
these drums. I'll talk in the writer specific examples illustrate

(04:32):
that and the UAP.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
And let me maybe get here.

Speaker 7 (04:42):
Okay, this is an don't have a straight in front
of you, but This is a map of the displays,
roughly the coverage provided by something called the solid state
phased ray ray or system. These are reportedly the most
power fuls on the planet. If there are these civilizations

(05:04):
and year by sour systems, they're more likely to do
techn these anditters and probably.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Anything else in our planet.

Speaker 7 (05:14):
How many up you guessed if they had a detective
and say the last twenty years that have been.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Reported to zero zero zero zero, How is it possible?
The most powerful reader the writing any about this for years?
By the way, recklessly, This is not a new point
in trading in Congress.

Speaker 6 (05:40):
And somebody in.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Congress will listen to this if they attention for years,
they're purple.

Speaker 7 (05:45):
Will testify to that in your observices community, like keep
going up there ahead every year and say, guys, how come.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
This second they ever gonn text any wap?

Speaker 5 (05:53):
How is that possible?

Speaker 7 (05:55):
These are the most powerful theres on the planet. Look
at the area to cover, and oh, by the way,
when you look in the area they cover, we keep
having reports over and over again from tactical systems and
ship's plane.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
An aircraft in the area is covered by his radar,
so each his ships planes flown by.

Speaker 7 (06:21):
Mister Ryan here and his enable idiator colleagues and others
are reporting.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Uae UAP hostily in these areas.

Speaker 5 (06:32):
But somehow these systems never see to see a up
How is that possible?

Speaker 2 (06:40):
How Noid's asking about that? Is this a Chinese balloon
situation where all.

Speaker 7 (06:46):
You need to do is tweet the filters and lo
and behold, We're going to breathe in the focus something
which is drums or nothing else. They're a vile absolute
vile air securities and Indians. We know that in Russia
Ukraine today thrones are crossing more cavities in killing more people.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Than every weapon system. Right.

Speaker 7 (07:14):
So this is utterly transform warfare as you know it.
Here's a multi billion dollar system, it's up and running.
This is the successor of the old ballistic missile early
WRINE system.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
So it's primary launching is the.

Speaker 7 (07:30):
Detected list of missiles coming over the poles from Russia,
China or from our Korea and developed air step solutions.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
But it also has an issue detecting sea launch cruise
missiles and bombers and so forth. So there's a couple.

Speaker 7 (07:45):
There's one of several possibilities. Either we've spent millions of
dollars on a system that's not performing as it should be,
or uh, it just you know, they need some tweets
and the filters to expand the range of things that
reports on a you know, one of the challenges with

(08:07):
these systems is to avoid clare right, because they're so powerful,
they play so much, they've got to filter it downs.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
What's being displayed is reasonable and appropriate to the mission.
It could be a problem of.

Speaker 7 (08:20):
That sort, or it's simply so highly classified information is
not re genero.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
I favor the latter. I think that's what's going on.
And I think if Igress were to poke hard.

Speaker 7 (08:37):
On this, maybe get in inspected General will give these
possible options or otherwise we'll get to this age they
would get some answers.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
Question, is that data from that system being archived?

Speaker 2 (08:53):
I believe so.

Speaker 7 (08:54):
I don't know how far back they go and how
how that's a great question. I don't know how far back.
And one of the things when you approached Nora about
this from the Air Force and you started asking about
this data and what are they seeing so right now
my understanding is by the way that they don't even tell.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Arrow, which was the directors us we appear at for
every day.

Speaker 7 (09:20):
They don't even tell him when they scramble fighter aircraft
to conduct intercepts, so they're realy scrambling fighter aircraft.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
I've talked to an interview on television in Norah.

Speaker 7 (09:33):
Ad officer told the account of walking into Cheyenne Mountain
where he for duty, and everybody was standing on their
feet looking at the big screen, and there was a
unp coming down from the Arctic on the east coast
the United States, and the commander in chief of Nora
I said the quote, I want that, and everybody said yes, sir,

(09:57):
and they were watching everything we have on the East coast.
Couldn't get Europe, couldn't get a radarlock.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
It disappeared out over in the cellar of a planet.
Is that the only time that ever happened?

Speaker 7 (10:12):
The one time that this nored officer gave this account
in the nineteen ninety and the system was much less.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
People than it is today, and when we've seen fewer things.

Speaker 7 (10:23):
Than we are today.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
And if you were in true so we see the airspace,
I rather doubt it. This is, by the way, only
one of the number of the multi billion dollar systems.

Speaker 7 (10:37):
They're already employed. They're collecting data that Bear is erecting
on this topic. They don't seem to be reporting anything
to air, So the air issue to report in your
last empori, they said, we don't.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Have anything inspects in any Uada space.

Speaker 7 (10:56):
But they were a forty instances in which ground case
orders like civilian airline pilots reported beings far beyond what
they called the Carmen line and the hundred thousand feet.
It is what they consider outer space for these purposes. Now,
there's another system called the ground based Electropical deep space

(11:20):
or nay ON system, which is a rate of cameras
orcing glow. It does nothing but stare at the nice
sky all night long. How about those systems didn't detach
with these filots they're talking about. They were looking up saying,
I saw these bread lights moving, Etcara Center. Well, there's

(11:40):
one of those cameras on top of one of our
highest pats and y and it does.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Nothing but stare the nice sky, that same nice sky
all night long? Did it miss that?

Speaker 7 (11:51):
It was it a cloudy night? Had any of those
cameras ever collected one of these instants? They said they
were forty I would think somebody ought to take an
inventory and say, you want to know, minch of these
surveillance systems is reporting UAP and illventure not and what

(12:14):
specifically are they're reported?

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Take an inventory again, is there is a setting the
problem and failure in these systems?

Speaker 7 (12:22):
The taxpayer is spending billions of dollars other than we
would want to know that now interest then we regard
from the GI system. I on one occasion at a
colleague who is visiting for a sort of routine oversight
purpose many years ago, and I said, why you're there,

(12:42):
why don't you ask it if they ever seen.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
An e strange?

Speaker 7 (12:47):
I didn't want to say why, That's what I was
a walled to, and he knew what I was talking about,
so he asked the question, and sure, this is a
month before on that one occasion when the question was asked,
they had indeed collected photographic imagery or was four or

(13:07):
five objects moving through the nice sky information traveling in
parallel to the Earth Service.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
I don't know that the question has.

Speaker 7 (13:16):
Ever been asked since that was probably twenty years ago.
I find it part of belief that in all that
time that they haven't collected anything relevant to this question,
and I don't understand why that data is not getting error.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
I don't know if anyone.

Speaker 7 (13:34):
Has again has you've got a checklist and make sure
that when Congress issued this directive and said you're going
it's a reporting requirement. Now everybody needs to report this stuff.
It needs to go to the Air Force and needs
to tilt down through the commands. Is anything coming back
off from the system that these people even know they're

(13:54):
supposed to.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Report and is there any reporting of that kind going on?

Speaker 7 (14:00):
There's another system called the space based infrared system multi
billion dollar systems again in the unclassified domain. What I'm
talking about here, there's quite a bit you know, additionally
that is painful by.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
The attackerary of is verment.

Speaker 7 (14:18):
It's a very robus system with satellites and multiple orbits,
highly elliptical orbits, geospatial orbits, very high decision.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
It's looking for infrared and ye kinds of events.

Speaker 7 (14:34):
As far as I know, they have a decade orford
eras zero UAP instance. Okay, maybe nothing happened, maybe they
haven't seen anything.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
But it does make you wonder. In this case, it's
particularly strange things.

Speaker 7 (14:53):
We know there are dozens of not hundreds of UAPs,
is happening within the areas that this system is supposed
to provide coverage.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
For example, Beings Tennis incident.

Speaker 7 (15:08):
Occurred excuse me, almost directly in front of the radar
and dew Air Force Base right off the.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
Coast, and this went on for about a week or so,
and you had.

Speaker 7 (15:19):
Objects zenning from sixty thousand feet and back up.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
So I don't think anyone.

Speaker 7 (15:25):
Could say, well, they were so small and they were
so close to the water. It wasn't what they arranged
the radar. These things were very high and this was
going on on a sustaining basis.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
So my suspicion is now, I understand that that data
could be highly classified. I could understand why it might
not be the call of domain. What I can't understand
is why ARROW does not seen to be aware.

Speaker 7 (15:53):
Of this data, I mean this, and why the appropriate
congressional committees do not seem to be aware of informed
of this right realistically, expect the me wing to happen
because I'm raising this year.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
No, because I've been doing this for years, but what
the heck, we're here mine as well. Try let's go
on to the next line.

Speaker 7 (16:20):
So we have an incredible series of events that had
been happening. Our Oden article a year ago to this
month called Who's operating the drones plaguing the US military?
And it did actually get read by a producer for

(16:43):
sixty minutes who subsequently did the piece which featured several
four star officers who in fact confirmed what I was discussing.
An alleging of the article.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
With regard to the days the career land of the
Air Force Base at Elsbury is truly shocking.

Speaker 7 (17:05):
Here's the air combat to the end, which is supposed
to be protecting these gentlemen. And this is the issue
where we're sitting in Capitol Hill, in the White House,
in the US government and they can't protect their road airspace,
they have to move our cutting edge. You have plenty

(17:26):
fighters squading to a dating base from the airports space.

Speaker 9 (17:31):
And this is going on for they forget how long
it was a couple of weeks roughly, and we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Strange craft right lights.

Speaker 7 (17:47):
During over the space making it unsafe to fly night
after night after night.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
And to this day we have no idea where they
were coming from.

Speaker 7 (17:59):
We don't know they capabilities felt who was controlling them.
And that remains true not just for that base and incident,
but for numerous on the bases. So the first incident
and the war zone and the rat sores from the
LSS topic violated to rigor boarding. Twenty eighteen and one,

(18:21):
we've installed a one point five billion dollars anti ballistic
missile system and these brightly lit small crafts show up.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
They go right to the dead missile battery and.

Speaker 7 (18:37):
There shining bright lights down on it when the photograph,
and this happens two nights in a row.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
So back in twenty eighteen it wasn't as.

Speaker 7 (18:47):
Apparent as it is now. But obviously those drums could
have been weaponized. They could have easily taken in a
battery out and dissirated the ballistic missile devent on our
leading facilitating the facility. Not to mention the fact I
just went to that Google Maps this morning and checked

(19:08):
that airbase, and that air base land Landleams of the
others has very few harden shelters.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
So those multi hundred million dollars aircraft that.

Speaker 7 (19:22):
Are on the runway could easily be destroyed by drones.
They're positing what a few thousand bucks Okay, that's how
overable we are. Then in twenty nineteen we began to
see this activity off the coast of the United States

(19:42):
in California, and I'll read a will excerpt from one
of those reports.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
USS Paul Hamilton observed free as.

Speaker 7 (19:53):
With the post winter pros approximately two hundred yards off
the bow port and starboard being they have a on
time station or approximately two hours and twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
So if you if you have children and you have.

Speaker 7 (20:12):
Drones at home, you know that they usually or have
a maximum time of about twenty minutes. These round station
for two hours and twenty minutes, sixty eighty miles off
the shore and not apparent where they put the launch
from what their total twell time was.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
In the anti UAS systems on the shift were ineffective.
They're bringing them down. The first UAS Spotify.

Speaker 7 (20:40):
Lookouts had two forty observed with a simple white way.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
They want to report others within five hundred yards. When
you bring four and a half the.

Speaker 7 (20:53):
Four white lights and the frosting redway, they're not trying
to be slide, They're not trying to be plant us
approximately two hundred yards above the ship.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Again, the new bring right around the ship back into
work up and down.

Speaker 7 (21:09):
They went to the bridge of the ship where the
powerful search light or photographic device. So they actually have
had cases where they go right up to the bridge
and ship and shine a bright lighting on the captain
of the senior growth.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
That's how.

Speaker 7 (21:26):
Over and provocativeness is and that apparently reflects their degree.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
The comments that we can't inter's up to them and
bring them down.

Speaker 7 (21:36):
Whoever it is is operating. That same year, we began
to see them around their power plants in twenty twenty,
very strange situation out west. This went on not just
for weeks, this went on for months. It wanted to
be least densely populated as a slide and kind of

(21:58):
shows them maybe it's back Roberbly. The part of the
region we're talking about here, Yeah, eastern Colorado and western Oklahoma,
so we're talking about farmland. I drove out of Lesgo's
Tea Lass winter and drove kind of through the area.
It is incredibly sparsely populated. There is very very very

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little there, and yet these drums were operating in groups clusters,
as many as forty drums at a time. They formed
a uh. This was so extensive and there was so
much eventual furre rags among themers and farmers that they
formed a task force involving the FBI, Department of Old

(22:48):
in Security, local Wine Enforcement. They deployed a special plane
and the government of California authorize it had.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Sensors on it.

Speaker 7 (22:57):
And this continued to occur, and we never found out
where these things were coming from us operating them. I
called a sheriff there and spoke to him about it
and told me the fascinating story.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
He said he was actually the definitely sheriff. The sheriff
was also witnessed.

Speaker 7 (23:15):
They respond to a call and there were a group
of these lights over this farm, and a brighter light
came in a larger lay and the smaller lights went
inside of it, and it took off in an extreme
velocity and passed almost directly over the sheriff and the debut,

(23:38):
and he told me, I've never seen anything move that past.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
He's also in the military reserve, this individual.

Speaker 7 (23:46):
So in that report, by the way, you called it
a ownership, it's not just the story that I happened
to hear. If you look at the documentation from art
a saw and special engaging yet guys at work you'll
see reallydocumentation of other bases.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
That refers to a motor ship.

Speaker 7 (24:08):
So this is actually well documented, very strange, and very concerning.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
We don't know what it's in a regulary airspace and its.

Speaker 7 (24:20):
Continues often and militarily sensitive areas twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Arizona Test Ranges.

Speaker 7 (24:28):
You've heard about language, but we do a lot of
flying in the Southwest flying conditions or grade.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
It's a replaced for the Air Force. We have more
Air Force base is there and some of.

Speaker 7 (24:41):
The strange things we're seeing in the number in the
rating frequency business is happening is extraordinary. So this includes
now your average room is you're strengthed to a flight
a four.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Hundred and fifty feet. We've got they have threety.

Speaker 7 (25:01):
Five and have twenty two in this case every fives
they're encountering drones at fifteen thousand feet, seventeen thousand feet,
thirty five thousand feet going five hundred miles per hour.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
In restricted military airspace.

Speaker 7 (25:23):
Meanwhile in an adjacent area, and I included in my
parkpoint breathing. You can find videos from the Department of
Homeland Security, nine of them about some of the strange
things that they're.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Seen on the border, very very odd things.

Speaker 7 (25:41):
Now, this raises a little bit of an issue that
I've written about recently, also.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
With the hope that it might improve some assistance to
this task.

Speaker 7 (25:52):
Force, which is, why is it that Deparment of Homeland
Security you can coverish all these videos like A and
DRD can't. There was a hearing of poor Congress of
here's what mister Ray from the Navy, and he said,
I assure you, I'm going to review these videos and
make sure that we get out to you in the

(26:14):
public everything we can. I think maybe there's been one
video in three years since then. When I have looked
into this and talked to people at different persons the
general government and ERA support.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
They basically said, nobody feels it's their job.

Speaker 7 (26:34):
To turn this over into public Nobody wants the Navy
effort to submit it from public release. So back in
twenty seventeen, I provided three unclassified videos to the New
York Times. You've all seen those, gimbal clear, dass right.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
There are a lot more like that.

Speaker 7 (26:56):
They just haven't been released because shortly after that created
a classification guy, we suddenly said the contradictions the Executive
Board or a classification signed by the President, did anything. Essentially,
anything happy to do with up is now suddenly listically

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classified because of my damage a security. Even though those
screw videos, the FBI, the Office of Special Investigations there
was investigated in find they were classified. Not only did
they not damage mass security and they helped nation scurity,
they helped raise an awareness for the public hires that

(27:39):
we have the air France from here and the.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Scientific community is very eager to get more.

Speaker 7 (27:46):
Of those kinds of videos because they want to train
the eye systems, They want to know what it is
we're looking for, they want to know the signatures. There's
a lot that can contribute to this, but the bureaucracy
is not as fun and I think there I couldn't
put a number on it, but I believe that if

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someone were to poke that system and for starting to
review that classification guide, if someone were to establish some
advocacy for taking that which is truly unclassified. And admittedly
absolutely there are many things videos that would be our
brogram is classified. Not questioning that, what I am saying

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is that there are others that fall into this camp
that would have value to the public, value in Congress,
value to the scientific community.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
And this is not an expensive proposition.

Speaker 7 (28:44):
It's just a matter of getting somebody to focus on
it and put these through the process. And I think
the public not only has a right to know, I
think it's beyond that. I think there's a is there's
a utilitary function. There's great value in the public milling

(29:06):
this information. Value to the scientific community in having this information.
I could give the example sometimes of what happened was
I promised, I'm going to get off the stage real fast,
so I'm sorry. I'm just trying to flow into my
own stock here that I get into. But this spotting program,

(29:31):
I have no doubt. If they couldn't have kept it secret,
the CIA would not have told the very eval the
Russians had a satelliteed order, and we wouldn't have had
the space program when we did.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
We wouldn't have gotten the mo MO we did, because
the people wouldn't have gotten fired up and said, oh
my god, this is not acceptable.

Speaker 7 (29:51):
That the Russians were ahead of us, and we need
that in Congress of Action, and it was, uh, you
know it actually ironic. We ended up collaborating with the
Russians in space and it actually helped, you know, facilitate
some peaceful developments and relations. I think there are a
lot of benefits along those lines that they could approve.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
But he's going to.

Speaker 10 (30:17):
Take some uh some effort and a part of Congress,
I think, to compel this to happen, and it's going
to happen.

Speaker 7 (30:30):
So with that, I will close and thank our impressional
sponsors for taking an interest in this and giving us
the opportunity to express our concerns and share what the
what we've learned us far about this problem.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
Question me up and the stuff that you know, the
stuff that you've.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Seen, well, there's some that I've seen it and I've
asked about in any thing.

Speaker 7 (31:03):
There's one video I've seen that they're going to declassify, and.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
I hope that happens. It wasn't for it was it
was four K.

Speaker 7 (31:15):
It was more like what you've seen, you know, is
infrared sensor gun camera video along lines of what the
New York Times published in the Washington Post subsequently. So
it's that kind of video from that sensor system.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
And by the way, we are at a point now
where the arrow has received.

Speaker 7 (31:46):
Somewhere in the neighborhood of eighteen hundred military reports.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Eighteen hundred in just the last few years.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
I had.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Some of those are iPhone videos, So I don't think
there's a big sources of that position there. There's there's
a idea somewhere from you know, it's like you get
the best five and singlers ownership with the video that, uh,
there's got to be a number in that mix. They

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couldn't be the deal.

Speaker 7 (32:21):
And beyond that, as I said, I think there's a
lot of high caliber sensor data.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
The American people were in pain for the committee of
these sensors. They're out there, many of them, and they're
collecting data.

Speaker 7 (32:36):
Hobby is doctor What was benefited from the data added
to with the re editry of the other cellar people,
there's a great example of the task fairer one system.
They contributed to science in a very meaningful way.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
I hear you tell you. I think there's a lot
more of that kind of thing. They couldn't be made available.

Speaker 7 (32:56):
If someone did a thorough spend of the censor systems
that we have and one they're collecting and took a
hard look at the.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Classification issues we also had a system.

Speaker 7 (33:10):
This is UH precedent once where the clayers for both
warming some scientists, so that this is classified data relating
that scientific problem set and that's conceivably and other it has.
But it's problems with that because scientists want to be
able to publish it. Of course they want.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Their collegies to be able to see everything possible.

Speaker 7 (33:31):
About the sources. But there were a variety of opportunities
I think we're missing. At the same time, there is
a huge financial security issue here and we've got stuffed
in our skies some of the pig representatilzable surprise that
we need to find out about it. You've got these

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systems at thirty five thousand feet that's a mile higher,
and talking about Everest for than five hundred miles an hour.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
In the student the wan here to space, I would
saying no.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Wrong, Well, d Chris Justice, if you don't have the
advantage of height that you do, so I have to
this away.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
I think Chrismians have a very good point.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
And the reason why I decided to share this photograph
with you take them from a civilian pilot now is
because the same challenge is that our pilots and military
pilots were facing as to whatever reported, Who's going to
analyze it?

Speaker 2 (34:41):
What do you do with the information?

Speaker 5 (34:43):
Multiply that for the civilian aviation community, do.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
The reports to the FAA, the reports more maybe the
air Force, the marganization. Who's responsible for getting this information? Again,
let me talk about this is not embedded, This was
take advices while but once again, you think this information would.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Be important for some I need to look at.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Certainly someone in the government, certainly some some of our
representative are sitting here right this.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
These are over sense of the military installations. Whose are they?

Speaker 5 (35:18):
What are their capabilities?

Speaker 2 (35:19):
What are the intent? Right?

Speaker 3 (35:22):
But enough to be right now, let's let's let's go
on to our second guys were here, Uh mister Kirk McConnell,
you say here all day. Once again, these guests services unblievable. Kurt,
question is treating that maybe we all script here for
a minute. You have a deep expertise and experience with

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the Center Armed Service as the committee, what is right
now the greatest challenge you see for our Congress to
tackle this topic on behalf of the American people?

Speaker 2 (35:57):
What is that you had to narraw down to one
and of the three challenges especially.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
For us here that are sitting with us here today
so patiently, what would be in your restaurant of the
three greatest challenges facing Congress?

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Time to stop.

Speaker 11 (36:14):
Wow, I would speculate, I'm not at a LinkedIn potitional
you know you're back there, let's go on.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Your blafe or together that.

Speaker 5 (36:28):
I certainly don't want to speak for Congress. Uh, you know,
I I do want to mention that I did serve
for seven years as a staff member on Capitol Bill for.

Speaker 12 (36:39):
Center on Services Committee in both the House and Center
of Intelligence committees.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
I was not in the military. Got that wrong, But
so I've been up here a long time, but I
had no voting colors.

Speaker 13 (36:54):
Another, I have feminious respect for the institution, and I
intend to reveal sort of inside video baal information.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
But you know what I would say is, on topic
like this, my sense is that Congress needs a lot
of confidence to be pushed.

Speaker 12 (37:16):
Really vigorous to me, and where are they going to
give that confidence that there is an absolute assurance that
there's some reality peria And I think as much evidence
as has been accumulated in the public domain over such
a long period of time it is subject to as

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a question, and we all know how that.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
Has preceded over period of decades.

Speaker 12 (37:47):
The key to this, in my opinion, is firsthand sources
who can testify to direct.

Speaker 5 (37:53):
Involvement in this so called legacy program of crash retrievals
coroverse engineering.

Speaker 12 (38:02):
Unfortunately, there are people out there, I believe from many
for us, that.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
Are interested in coming forward and.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Telling their story, but they are very much intimidated.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
And parting about doing that.

Speaker 12 (38:21):
They're afraid of the consequences, including their own personal safety
is but they relate their personal safety.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
Certainly their career starting with their security appearances, which is
the means that they have to have nay of living.

Speaker 12 (38:38):
And they have observed some folks who have come forward,
not to mention you, Lou and Dave.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
Rush and I have seen.

Speaker 12 (38:49):
What those folks have gone through, and most of them say, yeah,
I'm not doing that.

Speaker 5 (38:56):
So I think we're sort of inn tough it situation.
It's almost like.

Speaker 12 (39:02):
You know, past twenty two, we need we need more,
uh more primary sources. But it's hard to get people
with that kind of uh that kind of information to
come forward because of the of the fear of retaliation
and we need a better whistle glow. Certain that's uh

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something that I'm sure, as you know, always been discussed
in both send.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
And don't you drawing me something up really tired?

Speaker 12 (39:31):
Yes, sir, so uh whistle blow of protections is uh
and and you know, finding ways that even uh uh
uh compensate them if.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
They do uh have uh negative uh consequences from coming
forward uh and so forth. So I I certainly uh,
I certainly think this is uh. This is a main
a major, a major factor. I would just let should
ask the master questom as well.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Actually christ it.

Speaker 14 (40:05):
Yeah, so there was I came preparing the address that
issue as well, and yeah, I came compared to contribute
what I could into that question as well.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
But the classified session was canceled.

Speaker 7 (40:23):
I did due to the sensitivity of the names of
the individuals and and so forth.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
You know, I didn't think it was.

Speaker 7 (40:36):
Appropriate to these ones I could do in an unclassified setting.
If they did reschedule a classified setting, I think I'm
really happy to try to provide some some specifics. I
publish a Sigma message I received from a very senior
government official. He described a specific secretary of the Air

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Force memorandum. He described a specific recovery site. He described
he gained the Air Force aid keeper the program, Uh,
nobody can Congress did asked.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Me to follow up on that.

Speaker 7 (41:16):
I have all that information, you know, I was very
sure of what I could about that, but I don't
know that it would be definitive or need an inclusion.
But I do think those names, do you know, privacy
concerns of the individuals, and so obviously it's pretty sensitive.

(41:37):
So I'm prepared frightnolical with that as I can as well.
But in this session I wanted to address some of
these other issues would be in classification.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
You ask a general question to either of you, what
are the consequences and either open financial, what are the
consequences of Congress not taking national this topic.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
From a national situation?

Speaker 8 (42:00):
R H.

Speaker 12 (42:05):
Well, the you heard doctor Eric Davis expressing expressing his
understanding of the state of affairs in.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
This arena, which namely which which is.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
That the program, the legacy program called that has has
has been sort of stalled that.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
We're not we're not.

Speaker 5 (42:37):
Making the best use of allegedly not making the best
use of the best minds in the country.

Speaker 12 (42:45):
The compartmentalization allegedly has prevented the kind of coordination and
collaboration between.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
Scientists to really uh you know, practice very difficulty instead
of a physics problem.

Speaker 15 (43:06):
And UH, and I'm sure that the security element that's
had to be applied to this UH to this UH
activity has come with.

Speaker 16 (43:17):
A lot of costs in terms of effectively managing the
managing the program.

Speaker 15 (43:23):
And it is alleged that this even extends within the
executive branch.

Speaker 12 (43:28):
The very senior UH leaders in the executive branch hard
aware of this and are not the.

Speaker 17 (43:37):
You know, managing the So UH, it doesn't it's not
a leaf or stretch to to suppose that we're hampering
ourselves thensely by this continued.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
Compartmentation.

Speaker 12 (43:58):
And certainly Congress does not know whether this activity is
being managed appropriately. We don't know if it's got to
write a lot of the resources, it's got to write
management structure, the writing sentives and so on and so forth.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
You know, we think our government can work pretty well
when we're.

Speaker 16 (44:18):
When we're managing things according to the rules, and so
I think that this is this is a detriment and
national security.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
The lack of oversight and.

Speaker 12 (44:34):
An awareness it's certainly possible to keep appropriately classifying.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
Things classified and still have the fact that oversight and
management both in the executive.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Branching and to speaking of.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Giving a national security and secrets classified, we try to
completely agree with their own very specific regions why you
want to keep certain aspects of the topic classify sources
And maybe it's for the capabilities, But.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Let me this question, probably for for you, mister Melton,
in your opinion, one of its balment.

Speaker 5 (45:13):
I'm trying to well.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Because the fact I'm not hearing it tied up to
make up first very man.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
To casual and too blacks trying to be more formal
here at Chris, you're one of the consequences of retro
actively classifying information previously unclassified. And are you aware of
any specific instative of information or data that.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Was what's unclassified that is now classified. Well, as I
mentioned earlier, I think there's piles of that stuff.

Speaker 7 (45:55):
And I think there's so much of it is kind
of hurry the engage with the kinds of talk, because
my understanding is that they adopted the classification Guide's basically
says anything and everything to do in the UAP.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Is classified. Herefore now the people have to read the
executive or may not be aware.

Speaker 7 (46:16):
Executive where he says, when in doubt, you should err
on the side of going unclassified. It airs you're supposed
to err on the side and transparency.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
And opens to the American people. And we're talking about
many of these videos.

Speaker 7 (46:35):
If eighteen at clear already video is unclassified in twenty seventeen,
and we're not talking.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
About denied area or some other unusual.

Speaker 7 (46:46):
Exception, how can it be classified two years when you
take the same video from the same system in the
same area two years later.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
I don't get it.

Speaker 7 (46:57):
But that most like what they did, and the ways
is typically you know, I argued pre siperiously against the design.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
I knew some of the.

Speaker 18 (47:06):
People involved, and trying to make the argument of that, guys,
you wouldn't even be here, We wouldn't be having a
good discussion if information had.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Got into the public domain via Congress and the press.
And that's why we made the progress we made the data.
Now I didn't want to drop with her and that everything.
What do you you know what? I don't get it, so.

Speaker 7 (47:32):
I can't really gauge the implications. But I didn't think
you're negative and I think is is inappropriate.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
I think it's probably unlawful.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
My last question here before we move to a very
short break from the next panel members of a respectful
time of both the professional members and of course our
panels as well.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
This next question goes to you, cur.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
You mentioned a little bit huscle lowers, and I know
that's from my understanding, you don't have to talk about
it by that you received classified readings before.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
On this topic from specific subject matter extroverts and the
mir collegies.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
What can Congress do, specifically, members such as repros and
re recol their colleagues.

Speaker 19 (48:20):
To better protect muscle blowers, consentivize individuals to come forward
and provide a minimum unclassified information in a way that
they don't have to worry about retribution their careers and
perhaps course and classified information in the proper veny.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
What what can Congress do to.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Help improve that flow of information and minimize their prizes
that some of us.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Have have faced in the past.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
I would I have the first life to say that that.

Speaker 12 (49:00):
There is an option, like people who do come forward
and want to talk to.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
Committees in Congress don't have to go public.

Speaker 12 (49:12):
They can and have come to the Armed Services Committees,
the Intelligence committees, and in inconfidence on a classified basis
have related what they know and what their experiences.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Can the members who have who have.

Speaker 12 (49:37):
Perceived that kind of of stores and accounts and witness
statements haven't protected.

Speaker 5 (49:46):
The identity of such people and they have they have
thereby and retirement then did.

Speaker 20 (49:57):
The negative side of that is that the members uh
can't go around and tell their colleagues, uh what they what.

Speaker 12 (50:08):
They have learned, because that's that risks the identity of
people that have come forward in the continent. And therefore
it doesn't it doesn't empower members to then uh proselytize
and get everyone geared up to really make this wrong

(50:29):
investigatory clutch, but it is it.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
Is an option, uh, for for people to consider.

Speaker 12 (50:38):
I would also say that you have a gentleman here
in an audience who has.

Speaker 5 (50:47):
Conducted legal history of people who come forward to make
classify statements to Congress for a long period of time, and.

Speaker 12 (51:04):
He tells me that he can't find an instance where
someone coming forward and giving the classified information to Congress
without sort of.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Formal permission from me taking the branch.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
That there's never been. I hope I'm getting this right.
There's never been an indictment or much less prosecution for
doing that.

Speaker 12 (51:28):
Now, I certainly I'm a lawyer, and I certainly don't
want to encourage people to to sort of break the
rules as they see as they understand them and what
they're bound to by agreements that they sawn.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
But it is at least something to think about and
potentially hacked on. It obviously takes a lot of courage
to do that.

Speaker 7 (51:58):
I just say that it will good to not sector
or our panels coming to an end, and I didn't
want to make.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
It, I'm sure. Instrument only have to wich is that
we have two different issues here.

Speaker 7 (52:09):
We have up objects that were observing in play active
around a military solicitor. We have an issue of possible
recovery of UT materials. These two issues of a public
mind are funded. It's entirely impossible that we might not

(52:30):
have recovered materials. But you may bear very real and
here addressing and its encouraging issue. And I have a
concern that if that issue is not in some way
validated or address, it runs the risk of discrediting the
entire topic. And we've made enormous progress. Nothing happened essentially

(52:54):
from Google Gage until twenty seventeen, and I fear that
if there is in some effective way of addressing this,
it will be run risk of a major setback.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
I don't know how secure Hero is in the Walker room.

Speaker 7 (53:12):
Not seeing interest on the part of the chairman of
the committees that fund it on your arm services and
intelligence ems.

Speaker 21 (53:20):
They don't seem to be.

Speaker 7 (53:22):
Engaged or supportive at this point for defensive props. So
I think we're in a similar tanguous ground hurt point.
I think It's probably a better position to address this
than me. But I think that the second day involvesment
is worrying from it. Then how do you manage that
it deals with that. It's such a transformational issue that

(53:45):
it cannot be a press release that comes out from
a you know, from Congress some afternoon at Friday afternoon
or something.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
It's a literally cosmic issue that runs the risk of
how they are terrifying tens of billions hides of blions
of people.

Speaker 7 (54:07):
Right, So it's a very complex and related set of issues,
and I think we and whoever in Congress is writing
oversight of this, I really needs to think through how
to handle two of those things, and our foundation obviously

(54:28):
wants to help if we can, but if I don't
think it's a tough challenge.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
For members were very, very busy people with a lot
on their place in the complex room.

Speaker 5 (54:40):
I'm gonna make an exception.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
I'm gonna continuous conversations. There's a question I would ask
user inportant relationship.

Speaker 5 (54:46):
With their actions, he's going to hurt well. I wanted
to get to.

Speaker 22 (54:50):
The questions and actually ask them about with the little protections.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
And I am by no means an.

Speaker 12 (54:57):
Expert or even really in convers uh on the topic
of whistle lower protections.

Speaker 5 (55:05):
But you know, applying to common sense can understand. You know,
you need to you need to have h we need
to have a legislation that it really is strong.

Speaker 6 (55:20):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
You know there's a long record of whistle blowers despite
whistle lower protections in the law.

Speaker 15 (55:28):
Uh, they get to ever talking agains and they they
lose their jobs, they lose their careers.

Speaker 23 (55:37):
And.

Speaker 5 (55:39):
Uh it happens with enough regularity that no one could
blame people for not wanting not wanting your business. So
the legislation would need to be would need to be
very robust, and I think it would need.

Speaker 22 (55:53):
To include things like restitution, the possibility of of of
uh the government making good on the loss of loss
of their.

Speaker 16 (56:06):
Career, loss of security clearances if if it comes to that,
and UH and and making uh you know, making making
sure that.

Speaker 5 (56:16):
That people are not going to you know, suffer these consequences.

Speaker 24 (56:25):
Even though the loss said that they should never have
suffered consequences. You got you got clean up the mess,
uh that it depends to happen. So anyway, I H
I don't know myself for those so well.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Last question I alway said before we can break the
ruder real quick and actually very quickly is try to.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Pretende questions, but try to keep the succeeds to begin
for both you and I think this is part of
the challenge of conversations. Okay, so you have we all
want to technical security.

Speaker 5 (56:59):
How do you.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Separate protecting blue force technologies perhaps perhaps hypothetically gained from
the insights of UAP recovery programs, but at the same
time letting with the American people about the reality, the fundamental.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Reality that we aim.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
We do not have any current understanding whatever you inter
shy right, are us are to mean awareness? For you know,
I could beat site measure and true that there maybe
technologies that are not from us, and that warrant further investigation.
Again at the same time, protecting if we have any
technologies hypothetically that have been developed as a.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
Result well Blue.

Speaker 25 (57:42):
You know, we heard from doctor Davis and many others
who believe that we haven't.

Speaker 5 (57:48):
Madeenance progress.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
With respect to.

Speaker 25 (57:52):
Deciphering what the physics are behind an ax on in
these crafts that are coming here. At the same time,
I mean, we don't really know that that's true.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
We haven't any proms.

Speaker 12 (58:05):
Maybe we make great environments and and that we have
stuff ourselves that could be it couldn't be pretty morals, right.

Speaker 5 (58:16):
And certainly there can be absolutely vital reasons for protecting
that kind of information.

Speaker 12 (58:26):
I mean, one thought that is across my mind is,
you know, people say, you know, the the United States
government has been into this.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
Why in the world wouldn't the government have.

Speaker 12 (58:39):
Made these kinds of the technologies known for the betterment
of our citizens.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
And remain in cond And you know, one thought is like,
what if once you understand the science, what if the engineering.
I know, Eric Davis thinks that we're you know, we're
maybe a thousand years from being able to do this.
But but what if that's what if it's not true?

Speaker 12 (59:03):
And what what Either the government is on the horns
of a dilemma, like it's got energy sources that might
be an.

Speaker 25 (59:09):
Absolutely boons of mankind, but it also is looking at
the weaponization of that and it's terrifying.

Speaker 12 (59:17):
And so you know, geez, there are a way that
you can exploit that for your own benefit militarily.

Speaker 5 (59:22):
But keeping this uh uh, keeping this thing somehow this
genie bottled up.

Speaker 12 (59:29):
Where it's done come into the hands of a of
a North koreandictator. So I don't have answers, I h Lou,
I think, I think you've got to deal with this, uh,
this range of of of possibilities.

Speaker 5 (59:49):
But the first thing you got to do is understand it,
like we have to. We have to understand what the
government knows.

Speaker 12 (59:55):
And until we do, it's gonna be hard to develop
a rational strategy from.

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
And I don't know, Christo, I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Don't think I didn't imagine.

Speaker 23 (01:00:09):
That much.

Speaker 5 (01:00:11):
A rate.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Had eager to get off the stage a three minutes,
thank you very much for we don't.

Speaker 26 (01:00:44):
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Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
UH, let me first extend my sincere appreciation and thank
you for going patience.

Speaker 5 (01:02:26):
As you can see, we could probably.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Stay all day with just one channelist alone, lots of discussion.
We are barely discussed from the service here. The next
discussion is really gonna be part of a scientific discussion.
So the two bands you have here are experts in
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do we how do we force ourselves and at outside
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invent the technology after tomorrow. And is that type of

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creative thinking that has traditionally kept this country ahead of
everybody else? And I asked you too, when she when
she speaks, this is what she has to say, because
this is, in my opinion, this is the danger, not
just in this topic, but any topic requiring innovation. If

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I was the architect of the Artist of course.

Speaker 11 (01:05:27):
However, the local partnership is in the four countries exploring
the wars and gill.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Excellent and that's it right explored, explored its barns and
you there is a cyth. There was an estate done that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
The future of man, man our species, it's not here.
In fact, if you were to look at the financial opportunities,
it was estimated that at one times attends eighteenth eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Power of money. Is this this world has ever been
called in all its time as a modern civilization.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Multiply that by factor of eighteen and that's the value
of resources.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
And why within the inner asteroid belom resources. So the
future is there.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
As a microbiologist immunologist, there's form primary director for all
life systems that you know, and that's to expand. If
you'll expand, and you will perish. In fact, you can
look at a bee tradition. If you let the right
amount of nutrients battery, you will do the same. Take
a plant, give it nutrients and water, it will grow
and take over. That is the primary director of all

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life and we are no exception to that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
So keep that in mind.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Is these individuals are going to talk to you about
the importans of this topic, the way you can talk,
and how it relates to the scientific community, and why
you say that you have a presentation for turnover verle
who are two guests or system guests.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
And your appreciation doesn't do these questions answers.

Speaker 5 (01:07:11):
Okay, why come on up and those thank yeah, yeah great.

Speaker 11 (01:07:19):
In terms of expansion, I can tell you my doctor says,
I'm expanding far too much.

Speaker 5 (01:07:23):
You too, man, a fut of trouble.

Speaker 11 (01:07:26):
Thank you so much for you, not only for tab
for all you have done to wish you are a hero,
as well as the congressman and many others in this room,
a journalist and the scientists and the advocates violence.

Speaker 5 (01:07:40):
It's just an honor to be or. I appreciate what
everyone has done.

Speaker 11 (01:07:43):
Also, Thanky, Redwater directors, let me out of the meeting
early though it was a wonderful discussion.

Speaker 5 (01:07:48):
I think this is going to be a lot more exciting.

Speaker 23 (01:07:50):
If I could point you to my opening slide that
is actually an image taken by the Blue Ghost under
Lander with red Wire Argus cameras.

Speaker 11 (01:07:58):
I'm going to get in why that is such an
extort our imagy in a moment, But before we get there,
we were having a discussion about substances and what these
new substances with like new materials, what do PED technology
would be And I've been given the challenging if not
an end to be able to task and saying how
could UAP technology impact innovation without knowing quite with that

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and UAP technology is even.

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
Fundamentally so what I'd like to try and.

Speaker 11 (01:08:27):
Me today is give you an example of how micro
gravity is impact and innovation and really almost every industrial
field and how that would be transformative. I don't know
if Ectra trustrial civilizations we're using this, I think they
likely would be, but I think this is an example
of how a fundamental ship and technology change everything.

Speaker 23 (01:08:50):
Our company, red Wire has been conducting experiments on the
International Space Station on the Space Show for literally decades.

Speaker 5 (01:08:57):
Can we have a lot of hundreds of experiments of
in the past thirty five tiers.

Speaker 11 (01:09:01):
We have a lot of experiments acting on the International
Space Station right now, more than any other company agency.

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
Senator John Lennon putting one of our experiments there.

Speaker 11 (01:09:10):
The first one I'd like to show you is the
biofabrication facility of THEFF where grated apt said, red wires
you can play video please. This is why I'm waighing
over four hundred pounds payloaded rot table at our facility
in Greenville, Indiana. Much easier to handle in orbit that
an astronaut and a cuffs fan working very quickly on

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a coffee at twenty time speed. But he's installing what
is a biofabrication unit, and that system has allowed us
to manufacture human tissue in space. It resulted in the
first human niscus being printed in space. Who needs a

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meniscus probably used two exact This is the impact of microgravity.
And if you try to create that meniscus on Earth
and get a recovery attorney.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
So I'm gonna put it simply, it squishes. You couldn't
do that.

Speaker 11 (01:10:09):
Your gravity environment's not space per se. It's the lack
of gravity that allows you to do these incredible things.
Subsequent to the success we had with the meniscus, we
printed live cardiovascular tissue.

Speaker 5 (01:10:24):
And we brought it back from the International Space Station.

Speaker 11 (01:10:28):
Still lot think what this could mean for people suffering
from purpsease, the creation of heart patches, and of course
the goal of all of us is.

Speaker 5 (01:10:38):
Ultimately to create whole organs in the space.

Speaker 11 (01:10:42):
How many of us have had franks relatives die while
waiting on organ donation list.

Speaker 5 (01:10:48):
This could change all of that.

Speaker 11 (01:10:51):
Additionally, because we would be using your own stem cells
to create the tissue the organs, we would avoid the
dangerous and expensive anti rejection therapies that you go through.
So we see how to make gravity to get dramatic
impacts in terms of life sciences. Also pharmaceuticals, red Wire
has flown twenty eight pill boxes.

Speaker 5 (01:11:13):
These are systems where we take barmal suiticles drugs fly
the sea crystals.

Speaker 11 (01:11:18):
And sea crystals, by the way, the like salur doors
starting in they're what the drugs are made at.

Speaker 5 (01:11:23):
And when you create sea crystals and like the gravity.

Speaker 11 (01:11:27):
They're larger, more uniform, and that results in drugs with
better efficacy, better wage, fewer side rests.

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
Here is an example that is very near and dear
to my heart. Insulin.

Speaker 11 (01:11:40):
We partner with Eli Lilly with blue insulin. Over on
the left side of that, that's when insolent sea crystals
look like.

Speaker 5 (01:11:47):
In your great dinner. Over on the right side, that's
what insulin looks like in space. The sea crystals.

Speaker 11 (01:11:54):
Again, I'm gonna demus and biologies of high school student.
Even I can tell the difference.

Speaker 5 (01:11:59):
That's when you one and the other.

Speaker 11 (01:12:01):
And because of those margin or beautiful pistols, you could
have a version of insmin.

Speaker 5 (01:12:06):
We've seen versions of cancer treatment.

Speaker 11 (01:12:08):
Drugs that whereas you have to move from chemotherapy that
will be executive again long painful, you can potentially get
to a version of the drug of where it could
be administrative world. So a tremendous difference here relative to
the pharmaceutical sceptor. And by the way, it's not just
us gonna know this is China and the Chinese after
space station.

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
They're going after the same research.

Speaker 11 (01:12:31):
So it's kind of congressmount of the vegans would look
at the International Space Station place in the commercial space station.
This revolution with biotech microgravity is going to happen. The
only question is it going to happen here reworld? Where
is going to be happening in China? And I do
not want to be buying my next generation pharmaceuticals and
drugs from the Chinese. So we need to continue to

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support this in great new developments. But this is just
life sciences biotech. You get micrograp will impact semi conductors
the same principles.

Speaker 5 (01:13:02):
Newform crystals in space. You can create new.

Speaker 23 (01:13:04):
Types of semit deductors that are more power we're tolerant
of heat.

Speaker 5 (01:13:09):
Agriculture, you can create seeds, new types of plants that
can flourish in the desert. We have a green ass
that were flying in space. Look you have any of
that efforts, you see that there.

Speaker 11 (01:13:22):
We've also had systems with those called ze land fiber,
where it's a new type of fiber opted that can
be incredibly more powerful. Again, every aspect of our technological
society couldn't be changed by this.

Speaker 5 (01:13:34):
In the nations, the something that UAP are using this
new substances that there using. I don't know perhaps, but
you see how this field will revolutionize everything.

Speaker 11 (01:13:46):
And I believe in the future leaders in minrography will
not only be leaders in economics, but in national security
as well.

Speaker 5 (01:13:54):
As a matter of fact that a business the customer
for that was the Uniform.

Speaker 11 (01:13:58):
Services University because the number one injury or a menimal
men uniform are meniscus teams. Now would like to talk
about who wants to see some unclassified data? Right, let's
talk about some imagery that we're getting for NASA. As
we mentioned, I was proud to be a member of
NASA's UAP in Depends study team. We had some very

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common sense recommendations. One of which that I testified here
in the house not too long ago, alongside the great
Loue Alsano and others, was that we need to go
into the NASA archives, get the imagery, review.

Speaker 5 (01:14:33):
It, make it public, and look at what we've got.
This is an example that hit the internet not too
long ago.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Is it taic attack?

Speaker 5 (01:14:41):
It's on Mars.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:14:44):
I'm not qualified to say, but someone should be looking
at it, and we should be clefting and calling the data.
Here's what it's even more interesting to me. Lunar for
rising love.

Speaker 5 (01:14:56):
This is a phenomena that we first saw with the
surveyor systems. This is name a glow that we're seeing
on the horizon of the Moon.

Speaker 11 (01:15:06):
We saw in the watic surveyors and what you see
and the other lapt aside are sketches that Apollo astronauts
made of this phenomena, A glowing dome, streets of light
shooting it out from the lunar surface.

Speaker 5 (01:15:20):
Pretty extraordinary.

Speaker 27 (01:15:22):
And then most recently, this is my cover slide with
the Blue Boat System, which is Nancy's commercial with the
Payload Services clips, a wonderful public private partnership.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
To each Moon.

Speaker 11 (01:15:35):
With red wire artist cameras, we took this image of
the lunar horizon globe. What you might hear if you
go on a NASCAD website or talk to the sun
in the scientific community is that this effect is from
dust that has been electrostatically charged and then lavitated to

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create this impact. And I would get and I'm not
saying one way or the other, but doctor I should
go back in credit doctor man Chest, I'm I'm gonna
mess up his name.

Speaker 5 (01:16:12):
I apologize to the slies. But a wonderful professors associated
with you the disclosure fun and doing work on the stocking.

Speaker 11 (01:16:19):
Finally, these slides and I can tell you NASA's own
research lading other systems is putting some big question marks
as to even.

Speaker 28 (01:16:29):
If there is enough dust creating as event which looks unlikely,
and that it dust could be electrostatically charged to cause
what I mean looks like the second sunrise and.

Speaker 11 (01:16:40):
That's not the sun by the way, it's below the horizon.
I mean that is an extraordinary and by the way,
when I first saw this, pictures like stat al she
on the moon and what you're seeing is light refraction occurring.

Speaker 5 (01:16:58):
Due to I don't know, so.

Speaker 12 (01:17:01):
I don't know what this is.

Speaker 11 (01:17:03):
Is it a dome't Is it some type of the
natural phenomena that we don't understand or are a layer of,
or'll tell you definitely.

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
It's an unidentified anomal spin on Bears movie and Bears understandable.
And this is a good example too of even.

Speaker 11 (01:17:21):
If it's a natural or rosic phenomena, there's something extraordinary
current we should be doing as we should be studying
it and understanding.

Speaker 5 (01:17:31):
And I'm your chance that does try to out to
be something extraordinary. I mean, we need to know what
is current here.

Speaker 11 (01:17:39):
Additionally, there's another shot probably available from the NASA of archives.
You've seen some injugy of the triangular uads in the past.

Speaker 5 (01:17:52):
What's that de breathe.

Speaker 11 (01:17:56):
Saturdays, that's app seventeen the other picture images from acidity.

Speaker 21 (01:18:03):
A few of us saw something like that last Friday.

Speaker 5 (01:18:07):
Extraordinary facts free clans. What is it? I don't know,
you know, honestly, you know what does? Why are we
not investigating?

Speaker 11 (01:18:20):
And what I would ask of our great members of
Congress here is, again, with relatively little effort and money
you should be leveraging, aim.

Speaker 5 (01:18:31):
To go into the NASA archives.

Speaker 11 (01:18:33):
So much of them is been digitized more every day,
and conductor of you of what's giving over? We spend
so much time here it just applied me so talking
about classified material, what's being hidden? Yet there is a
treasure trove of data that, if not a smoking gun,
certainly is fascinating and worth looking.

Speaker 5 (01:18:55):
At and applying the scientific men to. And these images
that you're year in.

Speaker 11 (01:19:00):
Years more, I'm not any more of potentially stone nge
strain structures on.

Speaker 5 (01:19:11):
Literre anomalies that look like whos animals. I'm not saying
necessarily all of these have extraordinary explanations. Maybe some of
them don't, maybe some of them do.

Speaker 11 (01:19:21):
But it's certainly this work of the effort to investigate,
and we're not doing that right now. Why because of
the stinuma, this pernicious stigma that prevents us from passing it.
And certain that's where we're going to need your help.

Speaker 5 (01:19:36):
That if I have any friends and as they are
interested in this thought, ask me going through delto. But
they need top over.

Speaker 11 (01:19:43):
And that's why I'm so grateful to Wan talk more
about what we're doing. You can ask the mystery or
coming in and this is any cost a lot of money.
This could be done for a very low time, very
laborative get the results could be extraordinary. Finally, is when
we get back to technology, I just wanted to levels
it relative to what it takes to travel in space

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three days to the moon, seven to ten months of Mars.

Speaker 5 (01:20:09):
I can tell you've exploded your radiation very matrip quite dangerous, challenging.

Speaker 11 (01:20:14):
Seventy seventy thousand years to box in the spinistory our
closest star, I mean that's worse than the place ninety
That is rough.

Speaker 5 (01:20:24):
And then one point seven million.

Speaker 11 (01:20:27):
Years to get to where we've seen some bio Steuss
truly going to explore space, We're going to need some
m technology and you're where he.

Speaker 5 (01:20:37):
Spent some time discussing the al Hubery warp drive. This
was a Mexican physicist.

Speaker 11 (01:20:43):
He did the initial work proving that within demonstrating science
and for an our days here, but this is non
extraordinary science that a warp drive could exist.

Speaker 5 (01:20:54):
The challenge for Aldby's.

Speaker 11 (01:20:56):
Warp drive is that we're required, Luckily, the mass of
Jupiter converted into energy to operating. I mean I had
a Chevy suburban and that was not too efficient. This
even more difficulty, but of scientists and ads then asking
he works.

Speaker 5 (01:21:14):
Tweets basically the architecture.

Speaker 11 (01:21:18):
And perhaps a thousand ways to get that downs of
the work, the massive, the ew you.

Speaker 5 (01:21:23):
Know something that we could work. So these are the
kinds of technologies that if there.

Speaker 11 (01:21:29):
Is a gravitic system or some kind of extraordinary technology,
we must have it in order.

Speaker 5 (01:21:34):
To traverse those distances and have America and our international
partners lead in space.

Speaker 11 (01:21:40):
As additionally energy, I mean, if we are sitting on
extraordinary technologies, you are point energy.

Speaker 5 (01:21:47):
The casting are effects we discussed.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
I think it was a good we could do in.

Speaker 23 (01:21:52):
Terms of saving the environments, improving the economy, creating a
post Steerski Society.

Speaker 5 (01:21:59):
It would be ordinary, it would be wonderful. And let
me just end by saying the reverse of that is,
we do not want to fall behind China relative leveraging
explordary technology. I don't know if they're mainly intact out
there there, maybe there might not be. But can we

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risk falling behind the Chinese reverse engineering if there is
such a technology. And this is a again where the
stigma is so pridicious. But I'm sure China has it's
dopel issials.

Speaker 11 (01:22:32):
Working on this twenty four seven wordinated whereas us it's
separating as compartmentalized.

Speaker 5 (01:22:40):
Is not it team working on it, it's now networking
on it.

Speaker 11 (01:22:43):
No, we cannot risk losing communist China because we can't
take this issue seriously.

Speaker 5 (01:22:53):
We must not let a lap of vision turn into a.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Lab for you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
All right, welcome for the representation folks again times of
the s and so I'm going to make these sixteen
as possible if yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Questions actually about that, so at least that does work.

Speaker 8 (01:23:22):
Well, I just wanted to say I really appreciate my
all the work you've done microgravity and certainly for you know,
any of these craft that are both you know, that
are in space above the MONTRM. They have that access
to microgravity should they choose to use it. At art
firm American Deep Tech, we're very focused on a number
of various of deep technology, including space tech.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Energy.

Speaker 8 (01:23:45):
Energy is by in clearly one of our co founder's
cap with the SPARE and they believe they identified by
cancer kill switch and I know you've work together. We're
talking yeah, cancer kill switch in microgravity. So just you know,
for pharmaceuticals that access us to micro gravity, you see
aging within nine days and that take a year terrestrially

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for two or of that ability to speed.

Speaker 21 (01:24:08):
Up net iteration on drug development is very important.

Speaker 8 (01:24:13):
So we've got some really interesting people that we work with,
a CTO coming out of NASA, a branch chief coming
out of Space Sport, some very high growth entrepreneurs. We
also work with some leaders you know as our advisors
and venture partners in.

Speaker 21 (01:24:29):
The UAP space because we see the keys you know,
of these.

Speaker 8 (01:24:32):
Areas of technology to drive that abundance, that competitive advantage
you know, and just societal benefits.

Speaker 21 (01:24:39):
So people like we're you know, fortunate to.

Speaker 8 (01:24:41):
Have as an advisor help putof and also to work
with people like Julia moss Bridge and Bland.

Speaker 21 (01:24:49):
Graves and Diane than Causin.

Speaker 8 (01:24:52):
So I know that they are active in so many
areas of technology but also in up and so how
did we come in my former roles which which I
thank you so much for that kind introduction, which I've completed,
my roles in the US government where I was the
co chair alongside NASA of the US Space Economy Interagency

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Working Group. We worked with Exceptional Innovation Forward UAP Forward
and open leaders across the interagency and those meetings are public,
they're available online.

Speaker 21 (01:25:24):
US Space Destructor's.

Speaker 8 (01:25:25):
Day, and that was a day of about you know,
ten sometimes twelve hours of presentations on in space biotechnology,
in space, stemic conductors, US launch also UAP also Advanced Consciousness,
AI communications and satellites. So there was actually interagency leadership

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that HOCO hosted this UAP leading content from NASA, Space Force, d.

Speaker 21 (01:25:59):
DHAHS, Air Force. These were all very senior people NSF
and SBA.

Speaker 8 (01:26:05):
So while I would say that in years past, before
this great movement for its transparency and gratitude for those
in the room, what really led that, you know, since
the twenty seven timeframe and before time has changed, and
innovation is not about unfortunately because we want everybody to
come along.

Speaker 21 (01:26:26):
You know, we appreciate you know those great once you
get beyond fifty percent.

Speaker 8 (01:26:31):
Innovation and science are not about a consensus. This isn't
we don't wait to get to fifty one percent. This
is the leaders are doing this. The fast followers are
also doing this. And the reasons why they're doing this
is because they're sitting in rooms groups of people. We

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had an extended electrodynamics group of leaders from across the
interagency and also the private sector, and they were working
on advanced energy, they were working on advanced communications. They
are funded entrepreneurs well at NSF Public Awards, we funded
and I funded companies working on what the entrepreneurs later

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described as UP adjacent or UAP inspired technologies.

Speaker 21 (01:27:21):
One of those actually multiple of those people have spoken.

Speaker 8 (01:27:24):
Having worked on programs that they can't go into great
tech about, but certainly others are undertaking that private sector
research where it's not about being classified first.

Speaker 21 (01:27:37):
And this but the point on how do you how.

Speaker 8 (01:27:42):
Do you get your communications back and forth to Mars,
you know, without dealing with the forty minute latency?

Speaker 21 (01:27:49):
How do you do that, and are what are the
approaches for breaking those barriers?

Speaker 8 (01:27:54):
How do you achieve this energy funds and not more
efficient launch capability. So it was these conversations on what
could be achieved and what's already been in some cases
declassify in terms of work and outcomes or was never classified.
Really led to conversations where we invited in experts who

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then said, do you want my sended electro dynamics presentation?

Speaker 21 (01:28:19):
You want my UAP presentation? We said, you know, we'd like.

Speaker 8 (01:28:22):
Both of those, and so that what that led to
was receiving that tremendous presentation from how from Charles Chaser,
from others and saying.

Speaker 21 (01:28:33):
Actually, can can you give this to more people?

Speaker 8 (01:28:38):
And so they gave that those types of presentations to
hundreds of people.

Speaker 21 (01:28:44):
And what we've found with those entrepreneurs.

Speaker 8 (01:28:46):
Was this was the highest level of engagement we ever
gotten any field of science or technology.

Speaker 21 (01:28:52):
I've seen people in the audience who are part of
it shaking their heads yes.

Speaker 8 (01:28:55):
So the entrepreneurs were so eager in scientists to engage
in the UAP science and technology, and as a frame
of reference when we talk about disruptive technology, I've worked
with a few of them, because I've had the opportunity
to fund around four hundred companies to work with thousands
of entrepreneurs. Those companies from just a quarter billion a

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quarter billion plus put out have gone on to raise
eight point.

Speaker 21 (01:29:20):
Five billion following financing and.

Speaker 8 (01:29:23):
Seventeen point five billion into marketcap just in the early years.
That's coming out of a place that the program, who
is not the UAP program, but a program it is
catalyzed well over three hundred and fifty billion dollars.

Speaker 21 (01:29:37):
You know, from well less than twenty probably felve billion
to put out over several decades.

Speaker 8 (01:29:42):
So these entrepreneurs, oftentimes these highest growth ones, regardless of
what they're working, and it can be batteries they're told.

Speaker 21 (01:29:52):
Never gonna work.

Speaker 8 (01:29:52):
I mean, we all have batteries, right, People will say
a higher performing battery, here's why it's.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
Not gonna work.

Speaker 8 (01:29:57):
So these entrepreneurs are used to being old no and
why not, and they still build things. And what's happening today,
not just in America but around the world is the
first time I saw all these experiences was overseas. Is
people are seeing ultra advanced craft that are higher performing
and for people that are building the highest performing craft

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and the highest performing energy.

Speaker 21 (01:30:22):
They are not trying to unsee what they have seen,
you know, and they've caught on a wide range of sensors.

Speaker 8 (01:30:29):
There's the classified sensors and then there's the sensors like this.
We have imagery, you know, on our phones from going
out and seeing things. So I think that the impetus
to build things is what's driving us and what would
be the right levels to.

Speaker 21 (01:30:48):
Really go after this?

Speaker 8 (01:30:50):
You know, this is something that a few of us
have spoken about. But my backrounds also as a strategist,
so we do a lot of strategy now and I
used to be a PCG. And the question of if
you're building the highest performing systems, what type of resources.

Speaker 21 (01:31:08):
Would you put in place?

Speaker 8 (01:31:09):
So if we look at you know, and I'm sharing
kind of casually Google numbers.

Speaker 21 (01:31:14):
So we can get to better definition. But how much
money went into the iss our long term in space laboratory.

Speaker 8 (01:31:23):
Some of the numbers online say that it was well
over seventy billion for the US part of that, and
that with other nations contributions it might be one fifty billion.

Speaker 21 (01:31:34):
What was the cost of the Apollo program that was
twenty six billion?

Speaker 8 (01:31:39):
You know, you know, from the sixties to the seventies,
some estimates put that inflation adjusted well well over two
hundred perhaps two hundred and fifty billion dollars. So if
you were to ask me today, what is the right
amount of money to be investing in these ultra high
performing technologies they've meant hat and style projects, it's well

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into the hundreds of billions of dollars. That's the right
answer today. Whether the US makes that investment or whether
somebody else does. We are talking about advantage for multi
trillion dollar markets, So some would say, perhaps we made
the right investments over time, that we've invested those tens

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of billions in those hundreds of billions, And if we have,
how do we celebrate the accomplishments it might come out
of those programs. How do we give the recognition to
those scientists, those people who have served, who perhaps have
not been able to speak.

Speaker 21 (01:32:39):
About their work. How do we derive value from that?

Speaker 8 (01:32:43):
How do we say these pieces that might have been
constrained because you didn't have access to the tools everybody
else has access to an outside and the collaboration, how
can we bring the pieces in a way that is
respectful to national security and increase the resilience and in abundance.

Speaker 21 (01:33:02):
And I am concerned.

Speaker 8 (01:33:04):
I mean, I appreciate, I think many of us want transparency,
but also how do we make that to the people
who may have worked in this want to come forward,
you know, so if we're offering them, oh, you built something,
you've given resources, and here's some punishment, but that's going
to be hard to get the technology out, you know.
And there's lots of ways that it would be brought

(01:33:25):
fully important. I could be anonymized to a centralized clearinghouse.
If there's valuable technology there that can help people in
the United States and around the world, Let's celebrate what's
been built, and let's build the gaps that are there.

Speaker 21 (01:33:38):
So we see tremendous opportunity.

Speaker 8 (01:33:42):
The races on some would say those are exceptionally large programs.
Many of us have seen these, this wide range of phenomena,
be they craft, be they orbs. These the reason it matters.
So sometimes the first time you see this phenomenon, it's
a point of interest and you say, wow, you know,

(01:34:03):
I kind of thought there was a light blok plant,
whether it's life blok planet or advanced terrestrial technology.

Speaker 21 (01:34:09):
But you think, well, okay, interesting, now back to her
to day to day.

Speaker 5 (01:34:13):
What do we do with this?

Speaker 21 (01:34:15):
And so a number of us came to because.

Speaker 8 (01:34:17):
Our core roles were advanced energy, advanced computation, advanced biology.

Speaker 21 (01:34:22):
The answer was people who.

Speaker 8 (01:34:24):
Are working in their core field of biotechnology quantum that
they're seeing some of the potential pass forward through this
UAP and g S and technology.

Speaker 21 (01:34:34):
Can we classify it today?

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
I don't know how.

Speaker 21 (01:34:38):
I mean, there are parts that we can say stay
away from this due to this risk.

Speaker 8 (01:34:43):
But the challenge on some of this is if you're
to say, well, classify you a technology, you just got
to stop working on it. For people that are familiar
with the science and the technology, there are elements of
this that are relevant.

Speaker 21 (01:34:56):
To quantum and quantum entanglement. So what does that mean
for our national posture?

Speaker 8 (01:35:02):
Unquantum AI is interwoven with us. You talk about micro
gravity and advanced materials. So do we just not do
starting liring or advancement of certain materials because they've been
found into crash retrieval. We are not able to walk
back because this is so interwoven. So saying that UAP

(01:35:23):
is off limits, that's like saying let's go home. Let's say,
you know, maybe can we still use fire? You know,
maybe maybe you know, let's look get into it. You know,
can you still use rocks?

Speaker 21 (01:35:32):
So many of the fields of technology would be off limits.

Speaker 5 (01:35:35):
So honestly, we don't.

Speaker 21 (01:35:37):
Know how to to you know, this idea, We don't
Once you're in that, you don't even know. It's like, thanks,
stop using math.

Speaker 8 (01:35:43):
So the entrepreneurs are getting inspired, they're seeing things, and
so this is kind of humorous to scientists.

Speaker 5 (01:35:51):
So we both.

Speaker 8 (01:35:51):
Appreciate that people are talking about crash retrievals and reverse engineering.

Speaker 21 (01:35:56):
Are there crash retrievals? Well, are there crashes? I mean
they're deer retrievals where I live.

Speaker 8 (01:36:01):
I mean, a crash seems a lot more interesting than
a deer to pick up. And anybody who knows an
engineer says, the first time you see anything of interest,
we were certainly in our reverse engineering. So, whether that
happens inside government programs or whether it happens out in
the streets, Americans and people around the world are seeing
this phenomena, and those that build things are saying, you know,

(01:36:25):
what would be build together? So we see these on
a number of occasions, we've brought some high ranking scientists
down to folks who are evil in spots where they
show up more frequently. And it's worth noting that there
are people a number of groups of people who.

Speaker 21 (01:36:43):
Are currently pulling in or attracting craft, you know, and
other phenomena, and some people just happen to see them.
I'm looking right at eer, and you saw a lot
of these.

Speaker 8 (01:36:54):
But so there are people that have seen these infrequently.
There are people who have seen these on a day
to day base, says when we've spoken with scientists, you know,
over the past year or two, and so this is
coming out of places that someone would see as the
scientific establishment.

Speaker 21 (01:37:08):
And ken, can we talk about this?

Speaker 15 (01:37:10):
Can we not?

Speaker 8 (01:37:11):
You know? And some of these conversations hadn't taken places
openly when they did.

Speaker 21 (01:37:15):
What we found was when we go into.

Speaker 8 (01:37:17):
Rooms and we talked with people who are innovators, they're
usually it's usually thirty to fifty percent of people will
share that they've.

Speaker 21 (01:37:27):
Seen our experience and almostm o'hen.

Speaker 8 (01:37:29):
And sometimes they say, oh, no, I haven't seen you again,
and then they say, well, you know, I did see
this order over a football field, and you know, it
was huge, and then so people have seen things and
we had to have the conversation with leaders in science
where we say, by the way times have changed, there's
all this.

Speaker 21 (01:37:45):
Great work that's been done towards disclosure.

Speaker 8 (01:37:48):
And when we started talking to people about it, where
we might have thought it was one in twenty or
one in one hundred, seems like it's more like one
in three or two and three or maybe three and
three and through three people aren't talking about it, and
so that so we've had the conversation, which is it
is not credible or viable to act.

Speaker 21 (01:38:08):
Like this isn't going on. So it's a little We
use the analogy that it's a little bit like whale watching.

Speaker 8 (01:38:14):
It's both normal to if you live by the coast
online cert but if you live by the coast and
you have access to get out of.

Speaker 21 (01:38:21):
The water, you know, there's a percentage of people who
would have seen whales, there's a percentage who have it.
It's normal both.

Speaker 8 (01:38:27):
Ways, and the way to feel like it special or
not special, you know, regardless, but it's aubiquitous.

Speaker 21 (01:38:33):
So if you can't go in front of a room
of people, you know if you've seen that.

Speaker 8 (01:38:39):
And it's incredible, And if you have you say, some
people are just saying this they know so it be credible.

Speaker 21 (01:38:45):
You do need to acknowledge it out there.

Speaker 8 (01:38:47):
There's so much data, there's so much people have on
their iPhones. You know, there's so many people who will
speak to.

Speaker 21 (01:38:53):
The programs on the high side there end.

Speaker 8 (01:38:56):
But the low side, you know, is not waiting for agreements.
They're not the fortune one. The US government can lead this.
We can try to figure out what benefit we have
from the great work people in this country and perhaps
around the world have done, or people are ready to
move forward. And when I was in government, I used

(01:39:16):
to receive proposals without going.

Speaker 21 (01:39:19):
In the details in any of them.

Speaker 8 (01:39:21):
You know, in various fields of technology where people think
they were the one rest say any idea.

Speaker 21 (01:39:26):
You have, believe dozens of people are working at the
same time.

Speaker 8 (01:39:29):
So this is something that right now people in this country,
around the world, there are so many people that are
being here to build us and a number of them
are already building.

Speaker 5 (01:39:40):
These things up.

Speaker 21 (01:39:41):
So just because you don't see it doesn't.

Speaker 8 (01:39:43):
Mean that it isn't happening all over the place, both
in this country and abroad.

Speaker 21 (01:39:48):
So if we need to leave. If we want to leave,
need to be active. So I'm looking.

Speaker 8 (01:39:53):
We always listen with respects and innovators and entrepreneurs, and
I want to thank so many of you for sharing
what you've seen.

Speaker 21 (01:40:01):
Uh, there is an opportunity. I expect more scientists.

Speaker 8 (01:40:04):
They're going to be engaging directly with the phenomena and
as scientists, they're going to be doing experiment and methods.

Speaker 21 (01:40:11):
Okay, So you want to talk about something that people
talk even less about the U A pece.

Speaker 8 (01:40:17):
So the thing that was even more of a third
rail than UA pece is the sources of methods for someone.

Speaker 5 (01:40:23):
So as you're hearing.

Speaker 8 (01:40:24):
About there's a number of teams that are working columnists
phenomena and they're talking about all these different things.

Speaker 21 (01:40:29):
Some of them have these, okay, ultra exotic protocols. And
then one of the one of the.

Speaker 8 (01:40:34):
Groups that we want to visit with some scientists, their
protocol was prayer.

Speaker 21 (01:40:42):
And it was not some exotic thing, but was the
our Father the Hill Mary, you know, conversation.

Speaker 8 (01:40:47):
And I'm not trying to constrain it to any any
denomination or any bath or lack thereof, because I think
one of the hesitancies people have is they don't they
want this to be for everybody and not not to
be specific or linked to one thing, but source.

Speaker 5 (01:41:03):
And the methods.

Speaker 21 (01:41:03):
When we're talking science, there are people through.

Speaker 8 (01:41:06):
Meditation or very you know, day by day prayer calling
in these craft you know, in these works.

Speaker 21 (01:41:13):
So it's science. Let's talk about what it is and
then assess it.

Speaker 5 (01:41:18):
Well, thank you, my keys.

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
Question actually is to you again. So that was a
recent statement by a government official and it kind of
went a notice. I think it was a few weeks
ago where they said, you're now laid space time. We
have the leaves many of the space time so ill
that that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
Haven't seen in for a moment. That was an official
statement by the US government representative. Elaborate on that.

Speaker 21 (01:41:48):
Well, there's certainly been publicly visible funding that has gone
into that.

Speaker 8 (01:41:53):
And I'll say a couple of things before I would say,
there's a much better expert in the audience door, Julia
lost Bridge in terms of space time work.

Speaker 21 (01:42:04):
Also, that's something that doctor help could talk with.

Speaker 8 (01:42:07):
Space time metric engineering has been very active and so
there's been plenty of work on that and there's a
lot that's.

Speaker 21 (01:42:17):
Going on.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
The National Science Foundation has oh sorry, just.

Speaker 21 (01:42:22):
One quick things to say. But by the way, we
also a few of.

Speaker 8 (01:42:27):
Us were also maybe several of us in the room
about over a year ago, were on the National Mall
at the National Academy of Sciences where it was National
Space Week and there were some presenters from around the world.

Speaker 21 (01:42:41):
And that also included a representative from the.

Speaker 29 (01:42:45):
Chinese government prisoner the season day and the presentation that
they were putting up included requests for we want to
work with people on I believe it was space time,
metric engineering, it was gravitational control, and it was also
ailing like planet amongst other things like renewaballs.

Speaker 8 (01:43:08):
So the Chinese are literally coming down to the National
ball and say, hi, come.

Speaker 21 (01:43:13):
Talk to us about this, you know, and so.

Speaker 5 (01:43:17):
Come on seriously.

Speaker 8 (01:43:19):
Another thing that they said, by the way, you know,
in terms of many of us have been advocating for
much higher levels of capital to go into innovation and
also in space and prastructure, which does not have access
to the terrestrial.

Speaker 21 (01:43:34):
Financial tools like debt.

Speaker 8 (01:43:37):
So if you buy a house, most people are making
a smaller down payment twenty percent, five percent whatever they
can do. More of a minimum is space is typically
you've got to fund all of the money up front,
can you you're not going to build a.

Speaker 21 (01:43:51):
Hospital for the individual patient. You need to have the
financial model. So anyways, when I was trying to figure
out what was the space.

Speaker 8 (01:43:57):
Budget for China, wouldn't tell me, but the gentleman did
look at me and Susdain, you know, he's talking to
all of you. He said, when we look at putting
up a space station, we view that does that cost
us the amount of money as putting down a couple
of kilometers of meatroup Basically, we're gonna.

Speaker 21 (01:44:16):
Do that all day, every day.

Speaker 8 (01:44:19):
So if we can't figure out how to make the
investments to win in these parents for national markets, for abundance,
for societal benefits, and for economic growth and gain, we're
going to be left behind.

Speaker 21 (01:44:32):
So this is so the people that are moving forward
are moving forward.

Speaker 8 (01:44:35):
You really hope that the US government, the fortune one,
you know, is able to share some of the great
work that's been done, you know, previously across all these fields.
But the private sectors moving forward.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
Folks, We're gonna have Temple two very quick questions. We're
already way over our time.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
We have to unfortunately, throwing this room back over, folks,
and I've got two million affords that you want to
get as you can. We're not going to have time
to open up right now for public questions. I have
get to this real quick, and we could our guests
with the answer SUC seemed as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
Before we actually a hid to the other group. Let
me starve with you, Anna. The National Science Foundation has
been fundamental pillar.

Speaker 3 (01:45:22):
Of some of Americas of revolutionary technology and concepts for
many decades. How can the NSF help the government now
conserving the topic of UAPs.

Speaker 8 (01:45:34):
Well, I guess one of the things that's just publicly
visible is that we have been when I was formerly
an NSF, I would just say that there's lots of publicly.

Speaker 21 (01:45:43):
Visible content of us being very forward on.

Speaker 8 (01:45:47):
The topic, listening to innovators, working with strong colleagues from across.

Speaker 21 (01:45:52):
The inter agency.

Speaker 8 (01:45:53):
So I think that NSF has shown in NSF leadership
has also just been extremely support So I just want
to beta clear.

Speaker 21 (01:46:01):
I left the government because I'm excited about.

Speaker 8 (01:46:04):
Building things in the private sector, and I've only ever
received the greatest support in collaboration from my intur.

Speaker 21 (01:46:09):
Agency colleagues and from the agency which I worked.

Speaker 8 (01:46:13):
Who were extremely forward on all areas of innovation, but
certainly UAP bits within that, including are publicly visible awards
that were made to fund UAP science.

Speaker 21 (01:46:24):
There's plenty.

Speaker 8 (01:46:24):
There's great people that are highly supportive, particularly over the day.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
Excellent, very encouraging.

Speaker 5 (01:46:30):
Thank you, Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
Last question, you were all the nasty UAP independent Study team.
My question for you is what were the recommendations.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
Of the NASA UAP and the study team and how.

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
Those recommendations, How should those recommendations be implemented?

Speaker 11 (01:46:51):
Was the time we make the best question, Although two
of those recommendations we already discussed going to the NASA.

Speaker 5 (01:46:59):
Archives with an mL system to get the day.

Speaker 11 (01:47:02):
Just a few examples of which we were able to
show today, which could be quite sure I canna up
in their companies and we even volunteer to do that
work for an ass. But the second one, and I
really appreciate me showing that photo which was taken by
a commercial model. And one of the great disappointments I
had when I was on the.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
U Indian Study teen was I.

Speaker 5 (01:47:22):
Was asking the VA how many reports bett for commercial files?
Are those reports the MARTI? How are we keeping track
of that?

Speaker 30 (01:47:30):
And I got confusion, confusion and no straight answers, and
here are like to give credit to raise again were
suggesting that we leverage masses AVIA Nation.

Speaker 5 (01:47:43):
And Safety RECORDINGSSRS.

Speaker 11 (01:47:45):
There's an operating for decades, has hundreds of thousands of
cases and this is a confidential system where files crew
can call.

Speaker 5 (01:47:54):
In about safety anomalies that they experienced.

Speaker 11 (01:47:58):
It's worked anomally. We should be leveraging this system for
the recording of the WIT. It can be quickly, it
could be time efficiently, and the amount of the data
that we will receive would be amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:48:13):
Additionally, the relagis that I show you.

Speaker 23 (01:48:16):
Was from MO to the commercially endable and service program.
Public private partnerships have driven all of this. I'm so
excited for the democratization of space and the data that
we look out on that this was just one example
of today.

Speaker 11 (01:48:30):
As space that floraging right a whur other companies move forward,
all of our own canvas, all with drawn systems. We're
going to get a lot more data, but ASK still.

Speaker 5 (01:48:40):
Holds on to a lot of it.

Speaker 11 (01:48:41):
So for example, what I presented, we need draw data,
we need timestamps, we need.

Speaker 5 (01:48:47):
Data in a format we can do true after that research.
So we were just to do those two things, and
again do we support the conress.

Speaker 11 (01:48:57):
I think to push that I can ask a tremendously
important role, and particularly the aviation.

Speaker 5 (01:49:03):
Community and inhich is based community.

Speaker 11 (01:49:06):
The amount of data we get I think completely shift
lovelessimphistication on this topic.

Speaker 21 (01:49:11):
And I think there's also probably about twenty or three
hours of.

Speaker 8 (01:49:15):
Some of that forward interagency content in Space Instructure's Day
in the Eposystem of the Futures podcasting. You have Diane
in the room here today, So thank you Diane for
helping get that information on.

Speaker 11 (01:49:28):
Brother saying less optimistic than an on a relative adoption
in government.

Speaker 5 (01:49:34):
As I've said.

Speaker 11 (01:49:35):
During my testimony that particularly academic members of the nasty
up invented stetting team threat right threat, not for saying
you wing youre.

Speaker 5 (01:49:45):
Real, but for just having the temerity of even reviewing
the topic. You can't pay science in that environment. And
part of the reason I calling commers to help is
there's still a great.

Speaker 23 (01:49:56):
Deal askesis even just a NASCA and careers to get
in and just grabut again in.

Speaker 5 (01:50:02):
May the research for it.

Speaker 11 (01:50:03):
So I think it's incumbent to all of us to
push the real science, the jetive science, overcome that STATEMA.

Speaker 5 (01:50:10):
Let's get the data. Because of our comedy our national security, maybe.

Speaker 8 (01:50:14):
Candy and I think you contributed so much. What I
would say is some of the things that you experienced,
you know, or that Lou you know, and Chris and
others experience, there's.

Speaker 21 (01:50:26):
That body of having it able to point to those leaders.

Speaker 8 (01:50:29):
So we have the advantage of being able to point
to your study, you know, into this private work, so
you know. And again I think there's the opportunity for
the government, but I would.

Speaker 21 (01:50:40):
Say that it's not. There are industries that.

Speaker 8 (01:50:43):
Move forward that are not awarded by the government. But
I think just to be something very important that came out.

Speaker 21 (01:50:51):
Sometimes when we say, oh, you ap.

Speaker 8 (01:50:53):
This, you ap that there's gonna be some great technologies
that come out of that, that is very fluffy, you know,
and who cares.

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
So I think.

Speaker 21 (01:51:02):
Something that I got.

Speaker 8 (01:51:04):
Briefed on in an unclassified just informal no classification level
environment and both in personal capacity, but then I later
brought that person into brief others in the agency, is
there real and meaningful technologies that have come from these programs.
And I think with a lot of information you're going

(01:51:24):
to see that you know, the story about it has
been in the internet for decades perhaps, so what I
have though from a very credible source was that yes,
there are people who say that this came out of
doing programs when we.

Speaker 21 (01:51:42):
Talk about lasers and semi conductors, and that was so important.
You know, semi conductors the top ten companies.

Speaker 8 (01:51:49):
Today, a spinnix point five trillion dollar industry that we
all benefit from and underpins our global economy. That is something,
and it's not just oh, maybe we'll get something, it's
that they're tremendous people. You've build things you'll bolt be
classified and unclassified environments. And that's been put out by

(01:52:10):
so many authors, from people in the news, but somewhere
for in environment that we can say this has taken seriously,
and those people have told the government, yes, there's been
real advantage on some of the most important core technologies
from coming from crash for fuel.

Speaker 11 (01:52:25):
And I think to get the governmentained seriously, we need
to engage in l We've got to get outside of
the UAP bubble.

Speaker 5 (01:52:32):
And Dan Farret a tremendous movie engage disclosure. It's blue
story in any story belof j. Strattony. If we can
touch the public, if we can get them engage, we
can get the same information that we just saw. I
think that would be completely transformed.

Speaker 3 (01:52:50):
Well, let me since time is up. Yes, and first
of all, thank you since hearing your participating.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
It was a fantastic conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:52:58):
Let me leave a couple of bunks here by name
before we say a final farewell. One recommendation we made
to Congress is the generation of a national intelligence strategy
that would be promulgated on an angle basis, because I'd
be view for a lot of our parts, this is
going to be a perfected right and then right on
the heels of that, a national strategy every year, annual

(01:53:20):
strategy on UAP and drone. Basically, any untributed.

Speaker 5 (01:53:24):
Objects that are disguise, we.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
Should have a strategy for it. Because we're seeing the
combat field and even the streets of New York.

Speaker 3 (01:53:33):
We're seeing technologies that we can't really explain and frankly,
could be used.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
Against us in very efforts if we don't get a handle.

Speaker 8 (01:53:40):
On in.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
Two what I'd like to do is propose and hopefully
Congress as someone will be open to this.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
That we should form at this every year for the
American public.

Speaker 5 (01:53:51):
And for the media.

Speaker 3 (01:53:51):
Allow Congress to get to the bottom of things and
ask the questions that they normally wouldn't be able to
catch and bring in the department.

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
Because an intelligence community, Department of Defense.

Speaker 3 (01:54:02):
That mean them all here, why not right, sitting down
here in front of American people, by well, look at
your pay their their paychecks.

Speaker 31 (01:54:09):
Anyways, right, always some answers and they o Congress and answers.
I would also say, niece, let your members of Congress
know that you support this. If you like what Representative
Earlson and Representative Lunda Orshett and others have done here today,
let them know, right, payde to hear this and so
other members of Congress you can see this as a hey,

(01:54:31):
that works right, tell them that and you hear that
feedback unless you don't want to say that, but that
wopmights be guess.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
And the last, but not least, I would think specific
if they are members of Congress, because at the end
of the day that you're representatives, they represent this country.
They are very much part of this country, and they
are the reasons why you are all here today and
you're here. They have facilitated this. They have spaunsored for this.
They have gone another way to put.

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
Their political careers potention. Jeffrey, for you having this conversation
for you, so if you appreciate this, let it know.
The last but at least thank you to everyone of
you again, our friends and the media, the folks that
came over here, some cases came from across the world

(01:55:23):
and travel here very long distance to be with us
here today. Thank you very much. It's very gul and
we're on here's name better. So that's those people. Rum
applause for it after.

Speaker 5 (01:55:41):
What we do want to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
Abe for yourself, no further than you. This meeting is
then and and and and and and and and and
and and and and and and and in education, in.

Speaker 5 (01:56:16):
An intent

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
And int

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