"UFO Whistleblower Jake Barber: 'I’d Testify Under Oath' – Shocking Claims About Crash Retrievals" SPECIAL PRESENTATION - Total Disclosure: UFOs-CoverUps & Conspiracy

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Speaker 2 (01:21):
Do you believe that our government is in possession of the agents?

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (01:31):
Welcome to tonight's episode of the Total Disclosure Podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
My name is Ti and I.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
Am the host and creator, and we're going to be
having a special presentation with the full interview from Jake Barber,
who is a UFO crash retrieval whistleblower who recently came
out on a special via News Nation and Ross Coltart.
This is a special presentation, the full interview unedited.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
My name is Jacob Barber and For the last thirty years,
I've worked for the US government and its private partners
in both an official capacity as an enlisted man in
the United States Air Force and in a nonofficial capacity
for the broader intelligence community as a contractor. Over the
last three decades, my work has been very diverse and
has included the recovery of downed UAP of non human origin.

(02:35):
I am pleased to share that as of a couple
weeks ago, I have fulfilled a promise to our friend
David Grush by getting myself into a skiff with Congress,
and I have provided top secret sci testimony on the
subject matter of UAP. With this behind us, I'm pleased
to be at a place where I can share information
with the public. The type of information I can share

(02:56):
will be limited by my adopt serve restrictions and personal
restrictions I have sat in order to protect the privacy
and quality of life of my friend's family and colleagues.
So with that, let's top.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
So, Jake, You've just made an historic revelation that we
are not alone? How did it feel?

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Felt? Pretty good? Actually, get that off my chest.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
You've lived with this secret for how long?

Speaker 1 (03:28):
You could say more than a decade.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
So let's roll back. Let's tell the story of Jake Barber. Okay,
you say you were an enlisted man and then you
ended up working for the intelligence community as a contractor.
Tell me that story. How did that happen?

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Well? In high school, I was seventeen years old. I
was prospected into a program and enlistment program. It was
a guaranteed enlistment or guaranteed training enlistment program contract for
a specific career field at the time called combat control
career field is still called that. The contract was unique
at the time. It was a ten year commitment to

(04:08):
Air Force Special Operations. I finished my screening for that
program and September of nineteen ninety four, I shipped off
to Air Force basic training. Upon completion of that, I
went to a place known as Operating Location Hotel. This
was a Air Force Special Operations selection. I completed selection

(04:29):
roughly four months later and then entered into what is
known as the pipeline. The pipeline is a approximately a
two year specialized training schedule where you go to a
number of schools. At a certain point my pipeline, I
was approached by some individuals who had a discussion with
me and convinced me it might be a good idea
to consider becoming an airplane mechanic.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Was that to be your cover?

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yes, Because I noticed your DD two one four, which
is your release discharge document from the US Air Force
which you've provided US. It says you're an aerospace mechanic.
I was.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
I was a mechanic. I spent a lot of time
on the flight line at Polp Air Force Base and
an obscure maintenance sharp known as the DASH twenty one
du rail sharp, and I spent a lot of time there.
They may cover capacity and I worked tired.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
You're constrained very heavily, aren't you by what's called a
Defense Office Pre Publication Security review. Correct, And that's called
ADOPSA for sure. Yes, And if you accidentally or deliberately
reveal information that they've told you that you're not allowed
to reveal, you can go to jail.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
For the rest of Yeah. They've created quite a landmine
of words to avoid.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
So there are certain agency names, certain designations in the
military that you're not allowed to reveal or use.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yes, and for a good reason.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Let me clarify something. Though you were trained as a
top special operations soldier.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Upon completing that, I was given orders to Pope Air
Force Base, where I spent a lot of time actually
working in a maintenance capacity in an obscure maintenance shop
known as the DASH twenty one dual rail shop. My
time outside of that was spent in any number of clubs.
You could say, I was a member of many clubs

(06:18):
where I got an opportunity to do a lot of
interesting training.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
You were given extensive special operations training.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
I trained in things like survival. I was in parachute club,
I was in scuba club, I was in weapons club,
I was in pilot club. I even was in Spanish club.
I was in entrepreneur club, paramedic club.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
So they were fully training you for whatever that COVID
role was going to be.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Nobody was training me. I was there on my own
free will, out of my own interest, and trained in
a number of clubs a mechanic.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
But you were training yourself in a whole range of
different skills. And I noticed your D two to one
four document. It actually shows that you've got a sharpshooter's achievement. Yes, yeah,
so how many mechanics have a sharpshooter's achievement not many.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
I will say that the standard for marksmanship in the
Air Force is pretty low. But I did qualify as
expert marksmen in a number of small arms. Right.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
And you've also, I noticed you're able to talk about
the fact that you earned a commendation for the use
of combat medical skills to help save the lives of
two men in a horrible accident.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah. That's the interesting thing is every once in a
while my club skills would show up in the ordinary
Air Force. Part of what goes on when things are
heavily compartmentalized is often the left hand doesn't know what
the right hand is doing, and so serving in my
capacity as what is known as an OP for oppositional force.

(07:59):
By the time I as I was deeply immersed in
my club training, I soon began to be deployed as
what's known as a Red team member. I became a
Red Team expert.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
So an opposition force person, what do they do? Just
explain to me what you do.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
So OP four is the bad guys. So an OP
four is a utility team, and that team's utility as
in pressure testing or stress testing, the effectiveness of blue
what are known as blue forces which are the good guys.
So OP four is trained to deploy their own intuition
and innovation in order to make the regular soldiers' lives hell.

(08:39):
And that was where I was uniquely qualified and was
deployed in that fashion and a number of real world
scenarios and training scenarios.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
Now it's a very useful set of skills that you
acquired in the Air Force. Yes, you've essentially had the
training of a top tier one operator at if you
like Delta Force or Ists two four level, which is
the top US Air Force elite group. But you were
not a top tier one operator.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
That is correct. There's no evidence that I was ever
assigned to any task force that was associated with those
teams you just mentioned.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
What were you?

Speaker 1 (09:22):
What was I Ross? I was a highly talented airplane
mechanic who got to deploy on a number of presidential
support missions. I was a security escort for what are
known as hvts all over the world. I also worked
I deployed in Bosnia in support of the hunt for

(09:43):
war criminals.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
So why do countries like America have covert people like yourself?
Watch the purpose of it?

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Well, there's a lot of utility in what you could
call a hidden hand. For better or for worse, the
US government and its agencies tend to paint themselves into
a corner, and they're bound by their own regulations and
rules of play, and which makes it extremely valuable to

(10:12):
be able to outsource to folks who don't have to
follow those same roles.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
So you were operating outside of the normal rule book.
But to be clear, there's nothing wrong with a COVID role.
The US government uses COVID operators all the time.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Absolutely, it's one hundred percent in the best interest of
everyone in this country and to maintain superiority from a
national security standpoint, that we play the game that way.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
And do you regard yourself as a patriot?

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Do you absolutely first and foremost before anything else. And
I'd like to be clear, let's do this right now.
I'd like you to know exactly what side I'm on. Firstly,
I'm on the side of my family and my friends. Second,
I'm on the side of the American people. And I'm
on the side of the government and the military. Third
and only as long as they're taking care of the
first two.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
In that time when you were being trained learning all
these skills, did you have any idea about aliens.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
No, not at all.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
One way you can validate that you were doing special
work is that you were actually recommended for a heroism medal.
Weren't you the US Air Force as I was? And
you're not allowed to talk about that operation, are you?

Speaker 1 (11:23):
No? There was classified missions that took place in Bosnia,
But every once in a while things showed up in
my record, and at some point I had the presence
of mind to start making copies of certain things, which
was a little nerve wracking because it may have been
illegal that I was in possession of certain things. But

(11:44):
this was a letter recommendation that calls out my particular
act of heroism.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
Were you awarded that medal?

Speaker 1 (11:52):
No, it was squashed by my case officer.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
And do you think it was squashed because they didn't
want you to be conspicuous?

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, because what the hell would an aircraft make and
chasing war criminals in Bosnia and doing so to the
extent that he would find himself in a situation that
would be worthy of a medal of heroism.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
Now, you can't name the agency the organization that you
were working for, can you, No, you're forbidden by your
Dobster forbidden at any stage during any of the training
that you received. Was anyone ever telling you that you
were part of a government that was aware of the
existence of non human intelligence?

Speaker 1 (12:32):
No, not at that time. And I'll have to tell
you that everything changed for me right around nine to
eleven and I left the Air Force and basically made
a left turn at Albuquerque, never part of the global
War on Terror, and quite literally maybe a left turn
at Albuquerque, and was sent out to California at that

(12:54):
time to begin establishing my cover basis for an independent
as an independent contractor, so that I can serve what
was coming down the line next for me, and that
is the path which led to the UAP subject.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
In your time in deployment, you met certain people from
an aerospace company, didn't you, Yes, I did. Now it's
also part of the constraints you operate under that you
can't name that aerospace contact.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
There's no good reason to name them, even if I
wasn't constrained.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
What were they doing there.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
While they were supporting US with some new weapons technology
that could be used to disable vehicles and aircraft?

Speaker 4 (13:38):
I can disclose this. My understanding is that they were
essentially using it was actually I think it's a matter
of public record that microwave weapons, pulse microwave weapons were
being used at that time.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Correct, There were some early prototypes that were being used
at that time, and I met individuals that were there
representing the companies that were providing that service to the government,
made friends, and those relationships led to opportunities later in
the California Desert where I began my journey.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
Before we go any further, had you ever, as a
child experienced any kind of anomalist phenomena yourself, No, this
was completely off the books for you. It was complete
revelation to you.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
I mean, I was born in the seventies. I grew
up a fan of Star Wars and Star Trek and
Back to the Future, and it certainly was a pleasant
and fun idea. But during that same time, it was
also very clear that the culture it was clearly nostalgic,
like the subject matter of UAP and non human intelligence,

(14:43):
which wasn't an acronym we used back then aliens. Let's
say that it was one hundred percent a fictional story.
So while I was interested in it, it was purely as
an adolescent, from being interested by any other fictional subject.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
Before we get into the nitty gritty of what happened
after two thousand and one, let's talk about what you
perceive are the rights and responsibilities of American citizens under
your constitution. As an enlisted man, did you swear an
oath to the Constitution?

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah? You sure, dad? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (15:18):
How much do you care about the ideas and the
principles that are espoused in the US Constitution?

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Those ideas are absolutely paramount. They come above everything else.
Even though I mentioned my family and my friends, or
whose said I am one first, I cannot facilitate protecting
them without the fundamental nature of the US Constitution. So

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it is paramount to everything else.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Is it fair to say that the reason why you're
speaking to us here today is because you think it's
important that the American people be told about what we're
going to disclose in accordance with the const Article one
of the US Constitution enshrines the idea that all arms

(16:06):
of government must be transparent and accountable to the Congress.
Is that happening, you know?

Speaker 1 (16:14):
I can't really speak to that. From what we're being told,
there is no evidence of extraterrestrial presence here. There is
no evidence of non human intelligence. There is a little
bit of admittance and evidence that there's something anomalous in
the sky flying around, and we don't know what it is.
So the bad news is I can't really help further

(16:38):
that question that everyone once answered. But the good news
is I'm going to begin to be able to start
answering that question. And that's the primary reason I'm here
to speak to you today.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
Do you think Congress is being misled deceived about what
is secretly known about non human intelligence alien life engagement.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
It's clear they don't have the full story.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
What's being held back.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Just about everything. But there's another problem. I don't even
know that they're giving it a proper attention to begin with.
So unfortunately Congress is very ignorant when it comes to
the subject.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
So very recently, the Pentagon spokesman assured press reporters and
a Pentagon briefing that there is no evidence of extraterrestrial
engagement with planet Earth. Is that true?

Speaker 1 (17:33):
No, that's not true. Now they like to hang their
hat on some keywords there, extraterrestrial, So that means outside
of the planet Earth, and that is yet to be
determined by my best understanding.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
So you're saying, you know, for affect there are aliens, Yes,
there are alien craft on Have you been involved in
the recovery of those alien crafts?

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Well, Ross, yes, I have.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
How did it feel to say that I'm kind of
over it?

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Like this has been a fact I had to get over.
It wasn't easy when it first hits you. That was
years ago, and it's actually quite therapeutic to get to
talk about it. And I'm encouraged that it's becoming commonplace
because that's where it needs to be for us to
move forward and start gathering some evidence, which we intend

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to do.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
So you're building up a cover in California shortly after
nine to eleven.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
What are you doing, Well, I'm doing a number of things.
One trying to fill out a sensible explanation for my backstory.
I mentioned one of the clubs I was in was
pilot club, and you'll speak to my good friend Don
Paul here shortly, who I met during that time, but
there's no record of that. So I actually one of
the first things I did is I had to go

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to commercial pilot school order to create a legitimate training
record so that I could operate in an official capacity.
This time as a helicopter pilot.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
So you'd learned how to fly as a covert operator,
but they didn't give you a license for it in
the military now, because you weren't allowed to have that
qualification because that would undermine your cover. I suppose correct.
So you had to go and pretend to not be
a pilot in order to get your commercial.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, that was loads of fun. Actually, I found it
quite challenging to pretend I didn't know how to fly,
so I was amusing.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
You must have blitzed it.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Well. Pretending to be bad was quite easy in the beginning.
The hardest part was faking a natural learning curve, so
how to show that I'm getting better in a progression
that they've seen before. So that was fun. A few
times I took the library to mess with my flight instructor,
but he just thought I got lucky.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
So this happened for what a couple of year.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, a number of things we're done. So one of
the rules we go by is that legitimacy is the
best cover. So in order to provide a certain utility
to the government by way of a contractor, I have
to go and establish a lot of legitimate businesses I
have to function in a legitimate way under existing contracts

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to build a cover. A cover is not a hollow shell.
It has to be layers deep. And the best way
to have many layers of cover is to just go
do something genuine to begin with.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
So let's be clear about this. You're a very financially
successful businessman in your own right. You've done well in business. Yes,
you are not being paid by us or anyone to
do this interview.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
No.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
No, In fact, you're deriving no financial benefit or in
kind benefit at all from doing this interview. Now, why
are you speaking to us today, Well.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Because I've got some good news. Okay, So I know
everyone's been waiting for people like me to speak out,
and we haven't been doing nothing the past several years.
There's been a lot going on, and I'm very pleased
to share that we are moving forward in an official
and transparent capacity to explore the answer to these questions

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that there appears to be no evidence for. And our
number one goal now is to function in a private
capacity with the backing of venture capitalists and in coordination
with some of the most key departments in the government,
in order to start answering these questions in a transparent
way related to the UAP topic.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Are you affront at a front? Yeah? I mean you've
worked obviously in counterintelligence, you're a trained intelligence operative. Is
this some kind of disinformation propaganda operation?

Speaker 1 (21:55):
No? And I'm going to say no, And I'm going
to tell you I'm not lying to you. But unfortunately
there's no way that I can convince you of that.
If that's what you're thinking.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
A lot of people watching this will be thinking, oh,
you can never trust to spook. You know, there's obviously
wheels within wheels, this is part of some official government
disclosure operation.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, is it? No, it's not. And again I'm not
going to be able to make you believe that. But
what I can invite you to do is, I'll paraphrase
the book of Matthew. You will know us by our fruits.
So I'd like to invite you to stay tuned in
and watch what our new project is about to do,
and prepare to be dazzled.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
So you're proposing you're part of a team that is
proposing to do private retrievals of alien technology. Yes, yes,
and you've got the backing fruit.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
Wow. So let's talk about now what you do know, okay,
when you finally secured your pilot's training in the commercial world,
what happened While I.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Was getting my pilot's training, I was also working to
set up a number of businesses in order to pursue
government contracts for from the DOI, the d O D
and all their all the organizations and departments within those
and mostly what we did a lot like in the nineties,
you know, the cover capacity takes up the the most.

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Most of your time is spent operating in the cover capacity.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
So you were working in legitimate businesses, earning a living
like everybody else. Like everyone else, you're just waiting for
the cool.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Waiting for the call, the the you know, the incidental
benefits of the UH the capabilities of the companies you
set up are those benefits that are on standby to
be deployed in the subject matter of UAPs.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
So you've set up all those legitimate businesses, when did
you get the cool?

Speaker 1 (23:55):
So as a helicopter operator, we provide a number of
services to a number of departments within the military industrial complex,
and that includes the Department of the Interior as well
as the DOI. The Department of the Interior has a
number of other departments within it, and we worked mostly
in those for our KONUS or within the continentally United States.

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Those operations include things like firefighting, long haul short haul
which is our external loads for helicopters working for the
BIA Bureau of Indian Fairs. Anything you could do to
provide utility, anything that you could do with the utility

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of a helicopter we were put to task on.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Now, at this stage, there was no indication of any
anomalous phenomena at all. No, when did you first start
becoming aware of strange objects in the sky during your work?

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Well, a lot of the work we did was on
what I call the range, and the range is a
particular geographical area where the US government and its private
partners used to test all kinds of things, weapon systems
and resilience to weapon systems of certain craft. And so
you see a lot of exciting things that I have

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to remind you that my particular role is very basic
security and transportation. It gets a little broad as you
drill down, but I'm a security and transportation expert, and
that's the service we provided broadly provided to the government
and its partners.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
So you start seeing at the range, yes, interesting objects.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Well, yeah, it's always interesting out there. You know. It
was a process for me getting to the point until
we had our first experience with something that was obviously
non human in origin. But up until that time, there's
lots of interesting things in the sky. I can tell
you that our technology, and by our I mean anything

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that lies within the inventory of the United States Government,
it's private partners, it's pretty spectacular or some cool things,
And from an observer's standpoint on the ground, it's hard
to tell exactly what's going on. Things come in and
out of sight, things disappear for a moment and reappear things,
Things seem to move very quickly, things change color, they

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change shape. And a good reference for this is I'm
sure we've all seen these drone shows like that could
put on at the Super Bowl halftime or other places,
and those are pretty amazing to see, visually amazing, but
we all know that's human tech and we accept it.
But if you kind of think about that and think
about perhaps what we might be doing privately in the

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interest of national security, your imagination could fill in the
blanks on what you might see on a test range
that's being used by the US government. It's partners.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
I mean, I guess we all expect that there's technology
that we don't know about that's being kept confidential for
very good reasons, because the United States doesn't want foreign
adversaries to know that it has an aerospace advantage or
a weapons advantage over a potential rival. And were you
telling yourself that for a long time when you started

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seeing anomalous objects on the rain.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, because just like it is now, you kind of
have to train yourself. Even once you become a believer
in the UAP subject, and you take some folks outside
who are believers and they look up, they get really
excited and falsely identify a satellite as a UAP or
something else. In the SKay an airplane that has you

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might not be able to see its position, lights or
its drog.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
So you know what Lui la Zondo has described as
the five observables, instantaneous speed, incredible hypersonic speeds, trans medium travel,
water to air, air to water, positive lift, some kind
of propulsion system that isn't explained by conventional systems, and stealth.

(28:04):
So you were seeing objects that complied with those weird observables.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yes, And at that time you would also see things
when you talk about the I'm sorry, that trans trans medium.
So one of those that that would raise your eyebrow
is more of the trans medium characteristics because things would
come from the ground, like from the earth, from a ridge,

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from a mountain, or it could pass.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Through, so they'd come out of the ridge, out of
a ridge. Now that is clearly technology that is certainly
not known.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Now again, that is that that is the visual understanding
of what you're.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Seeing and was that human technology?

Speaker 1 (28:53):
You I just don't know that, I do not know.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
So there came a time though, where you begin to
realize that this was something else.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Well, let me add to we also know of circumstances
and you'll speak to some of my teammates here where
we did recover things that were that were exotic in
nature in the sky and we know they were classified craft,
and we recovered them and took them back to where
they go, and that was that was a regular thing.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
So there are things that we're trying to protect that
are far beyond what we know about publicly.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, much like everything in my story that we're talking about,
eighty to ninety percent of the time, it's very ordinary
and boring. Once you get acclimated to the lifestyle. It's
but for a five or ten percent that is the
most outrageous and exciting time of your life. But the

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majority of what we see and do is explainable and
is ordinary and is known by many people and is
not classified. But there is a certain percentage which is
extremely sensitive, and that extremely sensitive bit does include what
we know is our own man made advanced technology, and

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we work to our recovery efforts. If this is where
we're going with the conversation. When we look at a
recovery mission or a crash recovery team, you don't put
together a team like that with the intent of recovering
non human craft. That team is trained and provided the

(30:33):
training and tools and technology to conduct a recovery mission
for a number of objects and craft. But in the
rare occasion, or let's say the hypothetical occasion, something of
a non human origin or source were to interface with
the ground, you would deploy that same team. And that

(30:57):
is the segue and how we got involved with this
particular subject.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
So tell me about the moment when you realized that
you were involved in a retrieval of non human technology
alien tich.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
So it became very clear the first time we recovered
something that was non human in origin that there was
precisely what we were dealing with. Our communications changed, our
communication process and procedure was modified. It was also clear
to everyone on the team that what we were dealing

(31:32):
with was something that was unexpected versus expected. And then
just visually looking at the object on the ground, you
could tell that it was extraordinary and anomalous. It was
not human.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
How close did you get?

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Well, I was a helicopter pilot and I operate with
one hundred and fifty foot to two hundred foot long line,
so I got within one hundred and fifty feet of
this object.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
What did you see?

Speaker 1 (31:57):
I saw an egg, a white egg.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
How large was the object?

Speaker 1 (32:03):
I would say approximately twenty feet plus or minus a
little bit about the size of a large suv.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Did it have any seams?

Speaker 1 (32:11):
No?

Speaker 4 (32:12):
And it was pure, pure white.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
It was like pearly white, like a metallic pearly white.
The best I could assess.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
I mean, what you're describing sounds like something out of
a TV show.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, well, fortunate. I'm going to share some images with
you and you can see one of these flying in
the sky. I feel like in broad daylight.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
So you actually saw it in the sky before.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
No, not this one. But in our new venture, we've
already begun work and we're capturing sense of data of
the exact same craft flying in the sky.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
How did you know that that egg shaped object was
non human in origin?

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Well, visually, after seeing all kinds of things in my past,
it was clearly something that was ridiculously looking. It's inconsistent
with anything I'd ever seen before. I can also tell
you that the reaction by my team, who was very experienced,
was not was atypical. We changed our are we modified

(33:10):
our entire process for recovery that night, our communication process changed.
We all knew we were dealing with something extraordinary. And
in addition to that, it has also been verified by
me by high ranking members of the U I p
UAP task for us that what we recovered that night

(33:30):
was in fact known in HI craft.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
So the implications of that are actually quite shocking. It
means the government's lying to us, which shouldn't come as
any surprise to us, but we're being lied to.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
I don't I can't comment on that because I don't
know what the government knows this this operation, I just
can't comment to that, because.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Do you think it's possible that there are even senior
people in the PENTAGONU who of what you know?

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Absolutely, there are senior people in all branches of government
that are unaware of what's going on at the bottom.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
So when General Air Force General pat Ryder speaks at
a press briefing in the Pentagon and says there is
no evidence of extraterrestrial visitation or engagement with Planet Earth,
he might actually be telling the truth because he hasn't
been read in like you with correct Now you have
what's called, I understand a top secret sci clearance. You
have compartmented intelligence clearance to certain programs.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
My clearance is given like on as a as like
an as needed basis. So like when I go, it's
not like I go, there's no record of me having
top secret clearance anywhere, But I get well.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
There is because in the documents that you've showed us,
there is one document that shows a NATO top secret clearance.
And what does that mean?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Ah, that means you are cleared to the highest level
that you that you need to be in order to
function in the capacity that you've been assigned on a
particular mission.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
And it's quite a high clearance.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
It's a very high clearance.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
And so the best if it was done to secure
your cover, and as part of protecting that cover, it
wasn't allowed to be known that you had high clearances.
But what you have been able to demonstrate to us
is that you were in fact given high clearances as
part of your role.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, the clearance has kind of accompanied me like a shadow.
If I got deployed on a particular mission. Let's use
an aircraft, an HVT mission for example, high value target,
High value target. I spent a lot of time in
the nineties living out of a hotel room at Pope
Air Force Base with a pager that was our technology
back then. So I'll give you a short story that'll

(35:45):
tie this together. So a typical situation for me would
be told to go stay at the lodging on base
and I could travel to the chow hall, I could
travel to the gym, but I had to stay within
that response area. We would have a sealed aircraft. A
sealed aircraft an aircraft that has been configured and swept
and then a metal seal goes on the door to
where if that door is open or broken, we know

(36:07):
someone has entered that aircraft in an authorized capacity, so
we'd have a sealed aircraft there. If we got dispatched,
I would go to an aircraft. There would be manifests
that go with that aircraft that would list all the
crew members, their security clearances, and a rough description as
to the mission. At those times with the crew would

(36:28):
be briefed. Security clearances would be issued to that crew.
And anytime I was on an HVT mission that was
highly sensitive, I would operate under what is known as
a NATO top secret security clearance. And there are documents,
a few documents that I was able to make copies
of that show that.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
And indeed the document that you've showed us shows very
clearly that you and the pilot were the only people
on board the plane that had a NATO top secret clearance.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, probably the reason he was assigned is because I
was there, So not to sound arrogant, but be the
fact that I was being deployed on that mission meant
that the aircraft commander also needed to be read into
a certain degree which would require that clearance.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
As part of the reason why they keep your clearances
secret in that covert role, so that they have plausible
deniability if you ever did decide to speak publicly.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, here's a funny thing, like the US government can
make a bunch of rules in order to create a
scalfif team that keeps things intact, but they make a
bunch of rules so that they can break them and
hack the system and get around them. It provides great
obscurity to create the rules that separate the known from
the unknown. And I want to add one comment here

(37:41):
is when we're talking about circumstances like the first time
we recovered to UAP, which was the flying Egg, that immediately,
regardless of where you were or what level of security
or operating under at the time, when that shows up,
you're instantly now in a top secret class fight situation,

(38:01):
regardless of people's clearance.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
So before you flew out that day to go and
do the recovery of the egg, what were you told.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
I was told that we were going out to do
our normal thing. We're going to provide range security, and
we transport crew and we're doing our normal range work.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
You weren't told that this was an anomalous craft that
was clearly of non human origin.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
And I genuinely believe no one else knew this was
going to happen either, I think. I think it was
a shock to everyone, And.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
At no stage were you have subsequently told that the
craft was of non human origin. No, so, how do
you know it wasn't human? How do you know that
we don't have top secret TIChE that is shaped like
an egg?

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Right? Well, I'll tell you that because of the reaction
of my leadership structure, and because of my experience working
in that capacity, everyone involved was convinced that what we
were seeing and dealing with was in fact exotic in
its origin. I will also tell you that during this process,

(39:10):
over the last couple of years, it's been confirmed to
me by ranking members of the UAP Task Force that
what we were working with that night was in fact
n hi and it was not a unique experience. The egg,
as we're referring to, is known by and there have
been many others that have encountered this type of craft

(39:34):
in our atmosphere, outside of our atmosphere, broad day, night time,
all over the place.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
You've got a good look at this subject, didn't you.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (39:41):
Was there any visible propulsion system on it?

Speaker 1 (39:44):
No, not what we even know. There's no engine, there
was no thermal signature. I was operating at night when
I finally came in to pick it up. Some working
under night vision goggles at the time, and it was
quite clear. I flipped them up, flipped them down, and
looked at it a couple of different ways.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
Was there a thermal signature?

Speaker 1 (40:05):
There was not a thermal signature.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
It wasn't hot. No, No, you know general laws of thermodynamics.
You know, if an object's been flying or driving an engine,
it's going to show heat, isn't it. Yes, So how
do you think that object was being propelled?

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Well, that's a great question that we're looking forward to
exploring with our new venture.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
So when you went back to base, was it the
sort of job where you could go to your bosses
and say, hey, listen, what was that object that I
picked up? That's strange looking egg thing.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
No, that's not quite how it works. When I got
back to what you would call my base. When I
go back to our facility, that's back to my normal
working business, and the people that are involved there have
really no idea what's going on when I'm holding myself
out for work for the government.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
So this is this is how the compartmentalization system works.
It's a need to know. There was no need for
the people that were you were working with to know,
so they weren't briefed in. Yes, and you only found
out incidentally because you saw it on the range, right,
So let's keep on going. That's twigged your interest for

(41:16):
the first time, you've seen something that does appear genuinely anomalous.
When was the next occasion when you became aware of
anomalous non human technology?

Speaker 1 (41:27):
There is another craft that we recovered that I can
talk about, and that craft was what we referred to
as an eight gone. An egg gone is basically a
disk shaped object that, when viewed from the top, has
eight different symmetrical sections that are delineated by some form

(41:48):
of redge.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
So it's an octagon shaped disc. Yes, both bunny chuts.
Was there a name a nickname for the egg?

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, the egg we actually called nan news like from
the Mork and Mindy show from the seventies, because it's ridiculous.
That's exactly what it looked like. And so it's funny
when you look back at the what may have been
the motivation for the nineteen seventies, because where else would
it that egg is a ridiculous idea for a guy
from Mort from Orc. Right, so you have Mort from

(42:18):
Ork who flew to Earth in an egg. It surely
gives credit to the idea that some like to think
that perhaps there was a pr program that utilized our
fascination with Hollywood and television to paint pictures of actual
fact as fiction, making it now some weird highbred you

(42:38):
could call faction.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
So what time of day or night was it when
you came across the octagonal object the eight gone.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
We did recovery on that both day and night, so.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
It took me through it. What happens you in your chopper?

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Yeah, I'm in I'm in my chopper. What sort of
at the time? Is a Bell two twelve, which is
the same as UHN one. It's a twin engine, twin
bladed bell helicopter.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
You're flying at night?

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Flying at night?

Speaker 4 (43:12):
What time at night?

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Oh god, I don't remember, like after midnight.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Have you been given any pre flight briefing?

Speaker 1 (43:21):
I would I'm the one who would be given the briefing.
But we are given a load out on the particular
object that when you're flying an external load, we designate
two different sites. One's called the drop site. One's called
the pick site. You could say the pick side is
where the payload is that you're flying in to pick up.

(43:42):
As you're making your first trip into the pick site,
the payloads are already rigged and manifested for you and
to prepare them for flight. When you're en route to
that object, you're given some basic information like weight estimates,
size estimates. And there's two objects that I'm here to
talk about. One was the egg. The other is what
we called an eight gone. The eight gone was essentially

(44:07):
a flying disc with what looked like eight delineated sections
when looking down. And I can tell you what it
looked like from looking down because that's primarily how I
saw it, because I'm a helicopter pilot. We did recoveries
with the eight gons. There was more than one that
was that made its way to the ground on this
particular operation, and the recovery was done at night, and

(44:30):
then more was done in the day. Because of where
we operate, sometimes things can make their way into this
deep terrain. The terrain where we operate is the highest
mountain range in the whole United Coottina the United States.
And so the decision was made to wait till daylight

(44:51):
to recover some of the object or some of the
material that was brought down or made its way to
the around that night. During the recovery of the object,
at night time, I make my way in the helicopter
from where we can figure the line and we fly
to where what we call the pick site. There's two locations.

(45:13):
We designate them picksite, drop site drop site. At the
delivery relocation. We have a crew both at the pick
side and the drop site. On the ground, the pick
team configures the cargo for flight.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
So whatever it is, the craft is sitting in a
sling waiting for you a helicopter.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yeah, it's sitting. We have these things called pumpkins, which
are like rubberized bags or containers, and from my point
of view that it was covered in a pumpkin, at
least from the bottom and the sides. This is one
of the most profound experiences I've ever had in my life.
I'm about to share with you, So bear with me.

(45:52):
This is for me. When it became clear. As I
get closer to this pick site, I start feeling odd,
start feeling extremely emotional, And the closer I get, the
more the emotion starts to overwhelm me, and.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
What do you feel? What's the emotion?

Speaker 1 (46:16):
I feel a sense of my mother. I don't know
how else to explain it. I feel this intense hybrid
of sadness and happiness and beauty and song. And it

(46:39):
was very disruptive to me because I had a very
practical responsibility at the time to operate a helicopter in
the mountains at night, and I began wondering what was
wrong with me? It was late am, Like, am I
just stressed? Am I tired? Am I marinating in cortisol

(46:59):
and estrogen? I don't know. But as I came over
this object for the pit, there was this overwhelming sense
of emotion.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
What's it? Saying the object to me? What you're feeling?

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Like? I said? It was an overwhelming sense of sadness, happiness.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
Is it your feeling? Are you suddenly having a mental
breakdown on the job.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
No. I felt like something connected with me. I felt
like something had tuned in to me and my soul
and was providing me some sense of guidance on what
to do and how profound what I was doing was.

(47:55):
And it was so overwhelming that I began to cry.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
And I can't imagine crying at nighttime with night vision
goggles is the healthiest way to fly a shopper.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
No, it is not. And then I'm confused as to
why I'm crying at the same time, and then I'm
do I abort the mission? And so I just did
my best to focus on my particular accues when doing
this type of work, and I got the load hooked
up and I began flying away. And once it was
just me and that object in between the pick and

(48:29):
the drop site, it was about twenty miles in between,
I felt like something was inside of me. I felt
like I was possessed by the most beautiful spirit I'd
ever been possessed by.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
And was it loving?

Speaker 1 (48:45):
It was loving, but there was a sense of sadness
at the same time.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
And had you ever had an experience like this before?

Speaker 1 (49:00):
No? No, it was a very feminine energy. I'll tell
you that it felt like it felt like the spirit
of God, but not in any masculine sense that I
had ever felt. It was like, again, the feeling of
my mother and my daughter and beauty. And it wasn't

(49:24):
like soul. It was like a frequency that I was
connected with.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
Was it scared.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
I don't know if it is a thing. I'm still
trying to figure out why that happened. Well, I don't
want to say that, because I have a pretty good
idea of what's going on now and whatever that force was,
since that night, it has stayed with me, and as
crazy as it sounds, it's what's guiding me now and

(49:52):
it's what's providing.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
Protection for me. It's changed your life, it's changed my life.
Do you think it's made you a better person that
ex experience?

Speaker 1 (50:00):
It has made me a more sensitive and aware person,
which I think all of us would be better people.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
So that was a moment when you became aware of,
at the very least a technology that had the capacity
to touch you remotely, remotely, telepathically, telepathically. Now, telepathy, we
are told is a nonsense, it's a fiction. What happened
after you flew the object in the sling to presumably

(50:34):
the drop off zone.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Once I made the drop before I got there, I
was really scared that I was going to have to
stop flying and punch this thing off because I was
so distracted. But then I was like, well, crap, now
we've got another recovery site. Now we're going have to
recover this. I'm gonna have to burn to the land. I
don't know. So it took everything I had in me
at the time to get to my drop site and
I delivered this. Oddly enough, no one in my crew

(51:00):
ordered having similar effects from this. I do not believe
there was a being in that craft. I've come to
understand now after being involved with other parts of the
programs that are tested on the range, that there is

(51:20):
a there is a known and researched and implemented emotional
or psychic or what we call a psionic component to
the research and development of the UAP program.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Now, Jack, I know it's going to be very confronting
for our audience to hear this, but you think that
you've discovered something potentially about yourself as a result of
that experience, that you might infect have abilities that you
were never aware of.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
I know when I in my childhood, if we look
back to when I was a kid, I sincerely believe
that the screening I went through in high school. You
know my grandparents are when I was a kid. I
the reason I joined the military is real simple. I
wanted to jump out of airplanes and kill bad guys
and make my grandparents proud. And my grandparents were the

(52:21):
most amazing people I've ever met. You know, they grew
up during the Great Depression, dealt with World War Two,
and my grandfathers particularly were the strongest and the most
sensitive men I've ever met. All wrapped up into one person.
We can call them Navy Grandpa and Army Grandpa. Let's

(52:41):
say so. You know, Navy Grandpa was a very influential
naval officer who's actually a member of the Seal's predecessors,
the Scouts and Raiders. Army Grandpa was an Army captain
and a salesman. They both founded our neighborhood church and
literally set the cornerstone to our church together. Unfortunately, you know,

(53:07):
their children. My parents were very loving people, but made
a lot of bad decisions and this led to step
families for me at a very young age, and to
get away from the abuse of environment, I spent a
lot of time outside. I would tell my mom, I'm
going to my dad's house. I'd tell my dad, I'm
going to my mom's house, and I would I'd bug

(53:29):
out and just go live outside.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
You were living in the bush somewhere.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah, essentially, I was homeless, but you know, I just
told myself I was a wild commando survivalist and that
gave me pride in what I was doing instead of shame,
and so that I refined a pretty a pretty high
level of independence at a young age. But my grandparents

(53:55):
were still always there making sure I had some outlet
for things, and so they got me involved with an
art program and a music program. I'll have to tell you,
so my Navy grandfather, he was the superintendent. He got
his doctorate in education, and by the time I had
graduated high school, he had retired as a superintendent of

(54:19):
our school district. So he was a very influential man.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
And I understand he ran the gifted and talented education
program for that school district.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Yeah, you could say he was the ambassador for this
area for the Gate program, which was a program for
gifted and talented kids. And my personal experience with that
was great. It was I just got pulled out of
normal class a couple of times a day, at least twice,
and got to go to a private classroom where I

(54:48):
had one on one time with a staff member there
who played a lot of games with me inside and outside,
and we ran a number of creative classes together, and
outside of that, I also after school I would attend
I had a private art teacher, I learned music, and

(55:12):
so I felt like I had a unique education experience
as a kid. My grandfather also got me involved in
water polo and swimming. He was a diver and a swimmer,
and water polo became a great outlet for me. I
found the the competition and the physical exhaustion was like
great medicine for me.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Looking back, though, now do you think there might have
been something special about your selection into the Gate program.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Well, if we we look into my high school years,
you know, unfortunately my senior year I got a lot
of trouble. When I did show up to school, I
was a bit disruptive in class. I had a smart mouth,
I liked being a class clown, and I got a
lot of fights. And by the time my senior year

(56:00):
came around, I was the varsity goalie on our water
polo team, and five weeks into my senior year, I
got expelled for fighting again, and at that time I
was on a disciplinary contract. So my accumulation of bad
behavior throughout high school resulted in a contract, which was
interesting and it was a one and done fail situation.

(56:21):
In five weeks into my senior year, I was expelled.
At this time, my grandparents decided to hold an intervention.
And I don't even think my parents or step parents, no,
but the two men got together and met with me
and decided to research military programs that would be available

(56:42):
at that time. And so we made several trips down
to UCLA to an office near there, and I began
going through a series of tests of all kinds. There
were physical, physiological, psychological, creative tests, and we assumed that,
you know, all of this was pretty typical.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
You know, now, don't you that the US Air Force
has been secretly testing people through the Gate program for
certain psychic abilities.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (57:18):
Were you tested?

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (57:21):
Do you think that might have played a part in
what happened to you that night when you were recovering
that craft?

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Yeah, I don't know that the Air Force realized that.
I'll tell you, I know others that I've come to
meet through the program that we'll talk about that we're
in a psionic program that have a very similar backstory.
But for whatever reason, I was not used in that way. Again,

(57:48):
my creativity and intuition resulted in as I've shared with
you before, being used for creative wargames, being very creative
in wargames. But what I used is intuition. If we
make a spectrum and we put intuition on the conservative side,
let's say the right side of the scale, on the

(58:11):
more far outside, that might be something that looks a
lot like telepathy or telekinesis, and we call this psionics,
which we can talk about. And so I knew I
was intuitive, I knew I was creative, and I also
know I had good imagination. And so looking back, it

(58:34):
was clear that becoming a Red Team expert, those are
the tools that I would deploy. My intuition and creativity
is what made me successful in that capacity.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
I'm quite struck by how many very senior elite soldiers,
special operations soldiers, when they admit what they do in
a combat situation where they're facing imminent harm, there's often
a moment where they talk about intuition, precognition. They knew
something was about to happen. Does it happen to you?

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Yeah? I would. I would say that I have a
keen ability to make good decisions short term and long term.
I also find comfort in chaos, you could say, and
I actually see things more clearly in chaos and tend
to make very wise decisions.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
And is that a quality that you recognize in a
lot of your colleagues and special operations.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Yeah, you might be interested to know that people at
an elite operator level, there's a lot of them that
are left handed. A lot of them that were artists
as kids are still are very good drawers, illustrators, musicians.
They're also if you were to describe their personalities you

(59:50):
might have you might find yourself using some oxymorons like
peaceful warriors, sensitive savages. You could say that it's a
real thing and I'll add one more or a bunch
of dead serious goofballs. So there's this dichotomy between feminine
and masculine at the extremes that I don't know if

(01:00:13):
you could go as far as to say, is the
big Blue Air Force and the big Black Department of
Defense knows what they're doing, and they're prospecting for these
kids at a level, and they're planning this long term,
well thought out path. But what you will find is
that we end up making our way there.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
Something made you connect with that machine that night.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Yes, it chose to connect with me and reportedly no
one else on my crew.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
So when you got back to base, did you report
the fact that you'd had that extraordinari?

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
No, why not?

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
I was because I didn't know what happened, and I
don't want You know, you carry a lot of responsibility
as a pilot, you know, in this I've moved from
being a very pragmatic person with a tremendous amount of
responsibility in day to day grind in this dimension to
a place where I've had to take into account and

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incorporate things that are basically metaphysical and find a balance
between the two, all while maintaining the trust that I
could do my very pragmatic work. So this was something
pretty new to me this night. The last thing I'm
going to do is go back and tell my team
that I almost had to pop the load off because

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I was connected with a goddess that was making me cry.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
So you've had those two anomalous incidents with craft. Clearly,
these are objects that are being recovered that do not
appear to be human technology.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
So this is a good thing to talk about because
what we're dealing with is either non human intelligence. If
we want to use those words or that phrase or
that acronym. It's either that or we need to dramatically
redefine what we think human intelligence is.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
Because this object, whatever it was, was capable of communicating
with you in your mind.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
That object or whatever was controlling that object, was also
connecting to me through the mind, through my mind.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
Now you learned, didn't you that this was the tip
of an iceberg? Wasn't just you correct? What did you learn?

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Well? My work coincidentally shortly after that led me in
support of another particular part of the program, which deals
directly with looking at this piece right here, which is
is there a component on the summoning side that we
call and the operation side of these non human craft

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that has to do with consciousness, or at least a
field of consciousness that perhaps humans can tap into and
maybe all beings in the universe can tap into.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
What is a psionic?

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
A psionic person is someone with a predisposition for extraal
temporal you could say, abilities and sensitivities. Someone who is
has a fantastic intuition.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
What did you discover the psionics were being used for
in the program?

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
In the program, there was certainly a desire to explore
the idea that perhaps UAP could be summoned, could be
communicated with, could be controlled, and could be persuaded to land,
all by deploying people with psionic abilities to interface and

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communicate with the UAP.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
And did you see that happen?

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Yes? I did so.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
There were people who were purportedly psionically gifted who were
brought into the program.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Yes, there were. Where did they come from? They come
from all over? They're not all over, I mean from
outside the United States as well as.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
In And how are they detected? How are they picked?

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
You know, I don't really know. You'd have to ask
somebody else.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
I'm told that there are particular indigenous communities around the world,
Native Americans, people in different third world countries who apparently
have enhanced psychic abilities that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Are I think. I think most people could grasp the
idea that perhaps people that are from other cultures. You know,
our culture has leaves a lot to be desired when
we look at the contaminat that exist in our food,
contaminants that exist in our drugs, and contaminants in our culture.

(01:05:05):
And some of these contaminants, it turns out, aren't great
for your spirituality or your consciousness or your psionic abilities.
And so those who live a particular lifestyle or live
in a culture where they have a more natural or

(01:05:26):
direct way of life with nature and their surroundings seem
to within those groups of people, there's a little bit
higher demographic than there typically is for those with it
psionic ability. So these people are sought out and are
are used to contribute to the research that might be
going on with the psionic I.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
Want to put something to you. I've spoken myself. You
haven't told me this, but I've spoken myself to people
of Native American background, Indigenous Americans, who say that this
is a particularly popular thing for recruitment from the program
to happen in Indigenous American communities.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Yes, I know that for a fact.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
There are also people from countries in the third world
where these abilities are recognized and not treated with stigma
as we do in the Western world.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Yeah, there is no stigma. In fact, if there's any stigma,
if you're the one who's not playing along, you might
be the outcast in those cultures.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
So the irony is that part of your discovery inside
the program is that there genuinely are people who can
actually make a mental spiritual connection to a technology.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Yes, was that a revelation to you? It was fun.
It was actually fun to learn. It's one of the
things in our work that was like, oh my gosh,
there's more to life. It answered certain questions and intuitions,
if you will, that we have going back to your childhood,
and if anything, that we're most present in your childhood,

(01:07:05):
which is very satisfying, because you know something as a child,
you have this particular feeling and it kind of dies
out as you become more mature and have to take
on more responsibility, and so to be able to nurture
that and accept that that might be the case, and

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to see organizations as serious as those who we worked
with taking this seriously was actually a heck of a
lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
So this is antological shock, I think for many people
watching this, because we're all being told firstly, there's no
such thing as aliens visiting this planet.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
And secondly, we're all being told there's no such thing
as telepathy or psychic abilities. It's rubbish.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Yeah, you know. I don't think there is going to
be an ontological shock. I think people are going to
react to it the same way I did. I think
it's going to be an ontological relief because I think
everyone deep down knows that there is more to life
than what we are being told and experiencing. And to
know that there might be something like a sixth seventh

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eighth sense that has a spiritual, spiritual connection and that
that might actually have a good nature and application behind it,
Like not only is it not shocking, but it should
be welcomed, I.

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
Would think, Well, I'd go further, Jake, it's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
It's beautiful, and.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
Isn't that the message you got from whatever?

Speaker 6 (01:08:36):
That sense of beauty overwhelming and love and love And
it's funny hearing an elite soldier talking about love.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
Yeah, and benivolence.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
You know what fuels every elite soldier is a preservation
of love or something that they love. That's what's behind
all the strength.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
So let's go through the psionic program. When a psionic
operator engages with technology, how do they do.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
It using their mind? Something like meditation? And I need
to preface this by saying, this is stuff that I've
come to know recently. The night that I had this experience,
there was another team involved, come to find out, was
a psionics team and they were also working that night.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
And do you think it was them that had attracted
the object in the first place?

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Yeah? I do.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
And so how did the object come to land?

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
I think it was invited to land by the psionics team.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
Is that always how they make the objects land?

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
No, there's a number of other ways. So I have
to tell you that weapons systems are tested out there.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
I know this from other sources. I know that high
pulse microwave weapons are being used to bring down some
of these craft.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
Yes, Now.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
How often was it done where the objects would land
on their own accord? And how often was it done
that weapons would be used?

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Yeah, I can't tell you how often. I can tell
you they are brought down both ways that they are
invited to land by the psionics team. Other times they
are invited in by the psionics team. But then hpms,
which are high powered microwave weapons, are deployed and they
have an effect where they can disrupt the flight pattern

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of the object. And when it is an object, sometimes
it's not, and it can result in that aircraft being
forcibly brought down.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
When they did the attraction of the objects, was it
purely psychic or was the machinery that was used as well.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
So there's five components to our operation which might answer
a lot of your questions. So the first component is
a calling phase. Calling is either through man or machine
based summoning systems. We have man based systems which our
psionic assets, which make a psych connection through intuition or
consciousness with the object and can invite it in the

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other is a machine based calling system which uses many
systems which I'm not going to go into detail about.
You could refer to them as a dog whistle or
a lure and UAP. Certain types seem to be specifically
attracted or responsive to our machine based calling systems, and
then from there, once they're brought in, we communicate with them.

(01:11:30):
Now the psionics can have a dual role because in
this communication phase we do a lot of data collection,
so it's verifying that what we are seeing is something tangible,
also that it is responding to our efforts, So we
might invite it to move left or right, or to
position our particulars machine based systems in a particular direction,

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and then measure the response.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
The implication of what you're saying is that this intelligence
that's behind these objects, whatever it is, seems willing to share.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Yeah, yeah, I think it ultimately is working for us,
and it is commonly talked about that what we are getting,
even when we weaponize it is a donation, a gift,
and even when we deploy equipment. When there's a combined
operation with a psionics team and a machine based team,

(01:12:32):
all the equipment kind of has to be blessed and
brought in when it's a psionically led operation for summoning.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
A lot of people watching this Jake are going, I'm
sure this is crazy. This guy's making this up. This
can't possibly be true. Alien vehicle psychic techniques to engage
with technology, this is disinformation fabrication.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Yeah, Well, we intend to prove that's not the case,
which has a lot to do with the timing as
to why I'm coming out now. We plan to produce
that evidence in our new venture with our teams that
we've used for years in the Legacy program. We've now
gotten out and we've pulled our resources and we're backed
by venture capital. We're also working in coordination with the

(01:13:19):
most forefront government agencies that you would want involved with
us on this subject matter, and we're going to start
producing evidence on all of this and we're going to
share it with But.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
Christian, you know it works because you've seen it done. Yes, yep,
and so have your colleagues.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
That's correct.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
What would you say to people who might say, there's
no way a secret like this could have been kipped
for so long? I mean you're describing an operation that,
in your experience, has been going for at least ten
twenty years. Yeah, yeah, do you know how long the
program's been doing the site?

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Say, I'm sorry, did over it? I don't know what
else to tell you.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
So it can be kipt. A secret can be kipped.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Oh yeah, secrets. There are lots of secrets, some kept
for good reasons.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
So let me briefly summarize the implications of what you're saying.
Aliens are real.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
So I would like to know. Unfortunately, we've got to
get really specific with the semantics. Okay, So what do
you mean by alien?

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
Something non human and intelligent built craft that you have
been involved in recovery.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Yes, something that is inconsistent with our idea of what
a human is is involved with these craft.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
Are these intelligences whatever they are, are they extra terrestrial?
Are they from somewhere else? Or could they possibly be living.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
That this place. I can to remind you, I'm a
security and transportation guy that has been involved in this program,
really within the purview of those two categories. So you're
going to have to ask someone else.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
I presume you've got a chance to talk to the
psionics when they mentally telepathically engaged with whatever this intelligence was.
What did they tell you about it?

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Well, that they refer to it as a they in
a very spiritual nature, something like angels, angels and demons.
Let's say, there's certainly good energies and bad energies, but
it's talked of in a very very nebulous way like this,
because no one really knows what it is. No one,

(01:15:31):
especially on the psionic side. We're still trying to figure
that out. We're still trying to figure out exactly what
it is, and there's probably a number of things going on.
There might be biological entities, and we use the word
biological for a very specific reason. Biological. We don't need
we limit it to that because we aren't here to

(01:15:53):
imply that it is sentient or has a consciousness. We
really don't know that there is some evidence that that
shows it might be the case. That these are something
like soft tissue drones or lab meat that was programmed
in order to operate. Craft meets robots meet robots. Yeah, okay,

(01:16:15):
so it really begs the question. But ironically, while some
of the biological cargo that comes with these craft is
not conscious, consciousness itself is how you interact and pilot
the craft, which is ironic because for the first time ever,

(01:16:36):
the biological creatures inside are not conscious, but the craft is.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
The other implication too, from what your experience shows, is
that whatever and wherever the intelligence is that's behind those craft,
it seems friendly.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Benevolent, benevolent.

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
Yeah, in fact, loving, loving.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
It's if you want to connect with it, if you
want to have a relationship, and if you want to
see stuff flying in the sky, you need to be
channeling a loving energy.

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
That's finitely beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Yeah it is. In fact, there can be individuals in
the group that throw off that vibe, that can mess
up the vibration of the psionics work and their communication
with the beings, and then you aren't as successful.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
Have you in any of the work that you've done,
And I know you're being very limited in what incidents
you're prepared to talk about Have you ever come across
malevolent intelligence that's non human?

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
I have not, I personally have not.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
Have any of your colleagues, You'll have to ask them. Okay,
The implications, though, of what you're telling us are incredible.
We are not alone.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
We are not alone.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
There is a non human intelligence that has been engaging
with this planet. Yes, to your knowledge, Is it just
the United States that is having these incomes?

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Now, now, I can tell you for a fact that
my team has been sought after for our unique service
that we provide by organizations outside the United States.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
But let's to be clear, I don't want to put
you in the position of imputing that you might have
been helping unfriendly countries. Neither of the countries or none
of the countries that you work with foreign adversaries.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
And when I say that, I use the word organizations
instead of governments, because there are there are, there are
many other folks that may be operating in a private
capacity that so let me let me say this, This
situation is not unique to the US.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
To your knowledge, Russia and China doing retrievals of non
human crest.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
I have no idea I imagine they are.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
Why would you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Say that well, because this particular activity is not unique
to the United States. I know for a fact that
members of my team have been asked to provide our
expertise and service for organizations outside the US, not China
and Russia. But the US government does not have a

(01:19:23):
monopoly on the UAP subject matter. I mean, the skies
are not classified. Your conscience can't be redacted. So the
NHI can connect with whoever the hell they want, and
whoever the hell they are can connect with NHI. And
this lends itself to a particular situation of formula that
you can imagine exists, which is if you have a

(01:19:44):
belief that this is a worthwhile venture, which ironically the
government has made extremely clear, like there are many people
myself and our new organization included that is not waiting
on the government to say this is something you should
invest time in energy, and that's become abundantly clear in
the last two years. But prior to that, anyone that

(01:20:07):
had the will to believe that, and the money to invest,
and that tools and techniques and talent in order to
do it could set up their own communication crash recovering
reverse engineering program anywhere in the world. NHI is not
hold itself out exclusively for the United States.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Why has this been kept secret from all of us?

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
Oh? God, I don't know. I really don't know. I imagine,
you know, I have to trust that be careful what
you wish for. There might be very good reasons. I
imagine that some of what we see. I know that
some of what we see is our own advanced tech.
And it's absolutely imperative that we keep a competitive advantage

(01:20:52):
over our adversaries. As a patriot, that's paramount. We need
to be able to defend ourselves. And unfortunately, you can't
tell the public things without telling your adversaries. So therefore
the public, for their own good, is going to be
kept They're going to be kept out of the know
on certain subjects. And so there's this difference between secrecy

(01:21:15):
and privacy, and I will lay this out because we
need to be able to flip back and forth between
the two. Privacy is something that protects responsibilities and the
dignity of whoever needs that privacy. Secrecy is something that
typically hides vices, amorl intentions and crimes. Let's say I

(01:21:45):
know for the most part that what we're dealing with
when it comes to our government. The subject matter is
a matter of privacy, not secrecy, if you want to
look at.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
It that way. Somebody you discovered was recruiting these operations
in secret.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
There are videos of these operations that were captured illegally
during these operations that are out there.

Speaker 4 (01:22:12):
You became a weird, didn't you while you were doing
these retrieval operations that there was concern from a private
aerospace company that certain computers had gone missing. Yes, and
those computers were Panasonic tough books correct five, Panasonic tough

(01:22:37):
books six six.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
What happened, Well, we were deployed on a particular task
to recover what we call hvts, or high value targets.
Those high value targets were Panasonic tough books, and whatever
was on these tough books was highly sensitive material. And
this came about, I have to tell you after twenty eighteen,

(01:23:05):
it is quite possible, I will say that the sensitive
material that is on these Panasonic tough books has to
do with sensor data video that was illegally captured during
some of these operations, some of which may be incriminating
or classified.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
Now I can understand a lot of people may watching
this may be indignant but there are good reasons why
some things are classified in the military. Absolutely, So you
were tasked to get these laptops back, yes, because the
concern was they could break the secrecy of the whole program.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
I can't speak to what the implications were of this
sensitive information getting out. You know, my job is pretty simple.
I get tasked on something, I get given a pretty
narrow scope, and after doing this for twenty years, that's
enough for me because everything that I've done up until now,
I've been very well taken care of, and everything I
trust the process by which we operate. So I'm only

(01:24:10):
pre loading it that way because that wasn't the case
by the end of this operation. For the first time
in my career, by the end of this operation, we
began asking questions we've never asked, which is, who are
we working for? What is going on? And why did

(01:24:30):
it turn out to be that there were two seemingly
adversarial parties trying to employ us to go after these hvts.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
So what happened?

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
So my team and I worked in coordination with our
contact for this particular task. There was obviously another team involved,
which is an intelligence team. Most of our intelligence came
by way of human which is human intelligence, which is
essentially the reporting of information by a human by their

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own observation and experience. And we recovered our first two
tough books.

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
They were.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
They were in the high Sierras, I'll tell you that.
And we had first deployed began recon on that particular
target for the first two in the winter time and
there was tons of snow, so we continued to just
observe that location in order to keep tabs on who
might be coming and going. It's very remote, there's no
way there. The only way to get there be by

(01:25:34):
foot or horse or helicopter. So we did a couple
of snow surveys and at the time the snow was
over nine feet so we had waited to for the
fall before we would deploy to get these first two.

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
Are you and your men armed?

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
Yeah, we're always armed, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
Because whoever this was is potentially very dangerous.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
I'm armed when I go to Starbucks, so that's not
saying much. But we were armed. Yeah. So we recovered
our first two tough books. We got back to our
base location and then went through and took photographs. Discovered
that the hard drives were missing, which is something we
expected could be the case. We then took pictures and

(01:26:18):
detailed reports of the tough books and the contents of
the casing that we found them in, and we delivered
them to a very familiar facility which is consistent with
the company we are working for. And then we went
back to task and waited for more instructions on where
to look next for the missing components of these computers,

(01:26:40):
as well as the other tough books that were thought
to have been out there. The next piece of intelligence
that came through led us to a lake and high
altitude lake and we found the hard drives and a
sealed steel container twenty five feet underwater.

Speaker 4 (01:26:58):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Yeah, so somebody else's going through a lot of effort
in order to hide these things.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
But you can you can't blame them. I mean, this
is worth a lot of money if you sell it
to the right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
Body, depending upon what's on there. It was clear that
again this is this. It was clear that whatever was
hidden was highly sensitive to the employer of the task
we were on and to whoever was in possession of
these at the time they were being hidden.

Speaker 4 (01:27:28):
At any stage, did you find yourself under threat?

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Yeah, So we didn't get much past that mission, we
never recovered anymore. The very next time we went out,
things got strange for me and my spider senses. My
intuition was on high alert because our intel contact changed.

(01:27:53):
The rhythm and style of our intel changed. I'll leave
it at that. And when we deployed to the next
location to begin our reconnaissance and in preparation for going
to have a look around, uh, the intelligence became change
began to change. Last minute. Also, we were given a

(01:28:13):
partnered air asset instead of using our own, and we
took it in good faith. And as we got closer
to the day in which we were going to deploy,
intelligence kept changing, and so that that raised my concern.
We ended up going anyway, and when we got there,

(01:28:35):
the h vts were gone and it was clear that
shots had been fired. And I'm going to leave it
at that. So when I got back to our home
base after that, I made contact with our with our dispatcher,
let's say, and said we're out, We're done, and I

(01:28:56):
needed space to breathe. We then deployed our own air
assets and we got the hell out of there.

Speaker 4 (01:29:05):
You felt you were insignificant, dangerous, Yeah, And I was
concerned that we were being set up, we were being
prepared for the one thing that we've always.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
Offered employers, and that is plausible deniability, and that we
were perhaps going to be the hidden hand that gets severed,
and that perhaps we were the ones who may be
responsible for capturing that sensitive material on the front end.

Speaker 4 (01:29:44):
Do you think that you and your team had come
under suspicion for the videos?

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
Is it as simple as I think that's very likely,
or we were a suitable patsy.

Speaker 4 (01:29:55):
I do have to put one thing to you, yeah,
because it's an incident that I'm being told about from
two thousand and four, and I've been told about it
by multiple people. I've been told that a private aerospace
company was testing one of its own vehicles, what's referred
to as an Alien reproduction vehicle an ARV in the colloquialism.

(01:30:20):
That vehicle crashed somewhere south of New Mexico, possibly in Mexico,
and I'm told that a team from that private aerospace
contractor was deployed and while they were there, another team
arrived from the US military, and they had innocently been

(01:30:41):
deployed by their government to intercept what they thought was
a potentially anomalous craft, and in the course of that encounter,
I am told two men were killed. Can you comment
on that incident.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
Yeah, there's nothing I can add to that story or
a comment on if I did have something to add,
If I had knowledge of that, it would certainly be
something I would expect to get squashed by Dabster, And
quite possibly, if I was involved in something like that,
I probably wouldn't show it for one of my other reasons,
which is maintaining the privacy and quality of life of

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my friends and family.

Speaker 4 (01:31:21):
It's too dangerous for you to talk about potentially.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
It, certainly it would be. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
Can you speak more broadly without referring to that particular incident,
speaking broadly about the implications from the program. Do you
believe people have been hurt or killed as a result
of attempts to protect the secrecy of this whole venture.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
Yeah, it's my understanding and belief that, unfortunately that is true.

Speaker 4 (01:31:46):
People have been murdered.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
That seems to be the case.

Speaker 4 (01:31:50):
You were in a situation where what you were doing
was plausibly deniable, You felt under threat, you were asking
who you were working for. Who were you working for?

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
Yeah? For the the first time in my career. Let
me start by saying that for my entire career, both
in the Air Force and as a contractor afterwards, I've
been very well taken care of. I was given time
off to get my head right when I needed to.
I was given time to take care of my family
when my wife had twins. I've been very well compensated.

(01:32:21):
I've been trusted in everything that needed to be laid
out before me. When put on certain tasks was as
advertised and as promised. That all changed in twenty eighteen
and I cut ties and built had to get rid
of everyone on my team and build a brand new
team from scratch, the same way I always had. But

(01:32:42):
we cleaned house, and I went back and recruited through
for very reliable sources the type of team members I
always have from the places I always have, and we
set out to try and figure out exactly who the
adversarial parties were that were both interested in these laptops.

(01:33:05):
And again it was obvious to us at least who
the employer was, but they were now in question in
my mind as being part of the problem we ran into.
And it'd be clean clear to me after working in
this world that perhaps it wasn't this company, perhaps there

(01:33:28):
was someone in mid level management or someone completely external
that was masquerading as representatives of this company, and they
liked wearing their merchandise. Okay, So we came up with
a plan and I decided, we're not going to ask
questions down here, We're going to go to the top.

(01:33:50):
So I reached out to the director of security for
the particular organization and a sister organization, set up a
meeting with them, and went and spoke to them directly
about our operation to find out which was true, because
there was only two truths in my minds. Either they

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were complicit or they were compromised. So either their company
and their chain of command was compromised, meaning the top
had noid it was going on at the bottom, or
they were complicit. This mission that we were asked to
do was directed from the top down.

Speaker 4 (01:34:29):
So the question in your mind was was this a
rogue operation? What did you find What did you find out?

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
Well? I found out that the people at the top
claimed to know nothing about it, and they didn't want
to touch it with a ten foot poll and they
advised me to leave it alone.

Speaker 4 (01:34:47):
So this leads you to the possibility that this was
a rogue operation. Somebody was tasking you to do things,
dangerous things where your life had been in danger and
your team members had been in danger.

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
This is a good example for everyone watching as to
how something like this could be kept secret because you
could think of me as again, I'm just a security
and transportation specialist. Everything else i'm speaking to and that
I know about I gain just from my own knowledge
and interest of being in the environment. But I speak
to a lot of things that aren't necessarily my specialty.

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I'm on the very fingertips of this thing, which is
part of why you haven't heard from me before. I
am I operate in the shadows by design. I'm the
fingertips of this thing. I have first hand accounts of
working with these crafts and in these organizations. They're up
here at the Shoulder, Like our friend David Grush's worked

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at a very high administrative level. He didn't know who
I was. He had to find me through the process.
And so there are things that the Shoulder is intending
to do. If we're going to use a joint analogy
that ends up being facilitated by individuals on the fingertips.
There's another joint in between, that's the elbow. This is

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that mid level something could be dramatically redesigned and repurposed
at the elbow joint to where the mission of the
fingertips is not consistent with the mission of the shoulder.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
When you confronted the head of security for that unnamed
private aerospace company, what was his reaction. Was he nervous?

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
Oh, he was nervous.

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
I mean, it's quite unusual for you to go and
knock on the door of a very, very senior person
in such a huge organization.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
Yeah. No, he welcomed me, and this is something that
we had made arrangements.

Speaker 4 (01:36:41):
For, right, But was he perhaps freaked out frightened when
you confronted him about what you told him?

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
I know, I'd like to think I know how to
make myself come across disarming.

Speaker 4 (01:36:54):
And so he told you to forget it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
We had a lovely talk. Actually, it was very personal,
very congenial, and he shared concerns. Maybe I would go
as far as say he had more concerns than I did,
and he was at a point in his career where
he didn't want to deal with this anymore. He was

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making changes in his career to try and think distance himself.
If he had any knowledge at all, it was clear
he's trying to distance himself from it. He didn't want
to get involved. But he did provide some advice on
who where we should go. If you look at the
inspector general function of any organization, that is certainly a

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place that he recommended we go. But he he made
it clear that there were some inspector generals that may
be a better place to go than others.

Speaker 4 (01:37:53):
And is that what you did?

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
No, I didn't do that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
Why didn't you go to the inspector general? Because these
are the oversight agencies that the US government has set
up to properly investigate these kind of abuses of power.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
It wasn't at that point you got to remember, like
I had lost all faith and everything. I was starting
at ground zero. I even fired my whole team and
was rebuilding my own network from the ground up. So
at this top of I'm a fingertips guy, so my
knowledge of the shoulder I was not going to go.
I didn't know who to trust, So even going to

(01:38:30):
an inspector general, the expectation would be for me to
just spill all. So I hadn't done my homework enough
to where I felt comfortable going to an inspector general,
and it wasn't sure that that was going to provide
me the outcome I wanted.

Speaker 4 (01:38:47):
So what did you do?

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
So the first thing I did is I began expanding
the list of people whose opinion I was going to ask,
and through that process, I found myself reaching out to
the one thing that was always my get out of
jail free card, which was I knew if anything got bad,

(01:39:10):
I could go to members of Congress, particularly Senate Intelligence Committee,
the Monitor for the CIA and plead my case and
ask for help. So we started there, and unfortunately that
was a very disheartening experience because me going there asking

(01:39:32):
for their help very quickly turned into them asking for
my help. You're kidding, no, no, which was extremely disappointing
to say the least. But they were scared. They were scared,
and they were running into their own problems of being
in fear of they were being harassed, and they were

(01:39:57):
afraid for their own personal safety.

Speaker 4 (01:39:59):
So people instigating this UAP legacy program for Congress was
feeling threatened.

Speaker 1 (01:40:05):
They were feeling threatened, and other people they were speaking
to as sources were being threatened, and so they very
quickly after learning who I was, began asking me for
personal protection and for strategies to mitigate threat.

Speaker 4 (01:40:28):
But you're not getting the help you need.

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
No, I'm like, I came to you. So that pretty
much was a devastating moment where I'm like, shoot, we're
all alone. And it was unfortunately a much more grave
situation because what it indicated was that our Congress was

(01:40:52):
not only ignorant to the subject, they were neutered. They
were neutered by what they could do about why.

Speaker 4 (01:41:01):
I mean, it's in your constitution, Jake. The Constitution enshrines
the idea that Congress rules. Everything is accountable to Congress.

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
Congress needs an enforcement arm, so lars without enforcement don't exist.

Speaker 4 (01:41:16):
So, Jake, hearing your story about a psionic program inside
the legacy UAP retrieval program makes me think back to
cases like the nineteen eighty Bentwaters incidents. We're at an
RAF base, a Royal Air Force base in the United Kingdom,
Christmas nineteen eighty A craft allegedly landed in an adjacent forest,

(01:41:40):
the Rendlesham Forest. Yeah, what do you think happened there?

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
Man? That's one of my favorite cases. Once they began
looking into the history of this thing. That's one of
the ones that stood out to me, especially when you
think about where we are now. I'll tell you this,
if bent Witers happened tomorrow, like this thing.

Speaker 4 (01:42:01):
Would be over with because they couldn't conceal it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
No, well, you couldn't conceal it. But it's just everything
we're looking for has already happened, like your book, for example,
in plain sight, if you just look, it's so obvious.
But that one case has everything we need. And I
don't know how anyone can say there's no evidence of
extraterrestrial And maybe they're hanging their hat on that's why

(01:42:25):
we have non human intelligence. Maybe they're trying to hang
their hat on this one little narrow place they can
slip through, which is things are not from outside the planet.
I don't know how they're doing that. But whatever the case,
what went on at bent Waters has everything we need.
It has firsthand experiencers, people that have made physical contact

(01:42:47):
with the craft, the most reputable people in the Air
Force at that time working on a nuclear facility. OSI
shows up immediately.

Speaker 4 (01:42:59):
The Office of Special Investigation.

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
A special investigation that's a office. Yes, people are sworn
to secrecy people. It happened on multiple occasions. There's multiple
sensor data that goes with the first hand witness.

Speaker 4 (01:43:16):
What do you testimony, What do you speculate brought that
craft down?

Speaker 1 (01:43:19):
Well, I'm certainly speculating, but after my experience, I think
what may have happened in that case is it may
have been a craft that was attracted to a psionic
asset or was being operated by a sound. If that
craft was ours and it was being operated psionically, there's

(01:43:43):
this thing called link loss link losses. It's it's a
common phrase used with drone operation. Drones are or UAVs
as we call them, unmanned aerial vehicles or uas they're
also called that unman aerial systems are operated remotely. In
the off chance that there's a disconnect between the operating

(01:44:06):
system or the transmitting side and the receiving side within
these craft, it's called a link loss. And when that happens,
our man made systems are designed to RTB or return
to base, or they can go to designated landing sites
in a link loss, so that same system would be

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deployed because commonly what happens with a psionic asset who
is using a form of intuition and consciousness to connect
with the craft. There's a disconnect we call it, which
is like link loss. I can tell you when we
run exercises using the psionic assets in an intentional environment
to get samples to the ground, we intentionally disconnect the

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psionic asset so that the HPM systems can be energized,
because there are some potential issues that can happen if
the sionic asset is still connected to the craft when
it's hit with an EMP or other HPM.

Speaker 4 (01:45:04):
I'm told part of their consciousness can stay in the craft.

Speaker 1 (01:45:08):
Yeah, it seems to be the case that the human
being can suffer some form of cognitive injury by still
being connected to that craft when that craft is de energized.

Speaker 4 (01:45:22):
There is a case at the Reftbent Waters. During the
Reftbent Waters incident in the United Kingdom, there was an
eman called John Burrows who was exposed to what we
now know was an extraordinary amount of gamma radiation dangerous radiation,
and he suffered quite terrible injuries, but had a terrible
time persuading veterans affairs that he deserved medical assistance. Because

(01:45:46):
he couldn't prove that this was an occupational exposure to radiation.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
Well, I can tell you I came to know the
name John Burrows because I've been seen by the same
doctor as him, Doctor go Nola, for the exact same reason.

Speaker 4 (01:46:01):
So what happened to you?

Speaker 1 (01:46:03):
Oh, we're not quite sure. But the first time I
got exposed to what, in hindsight is obviously a radiation
exposure of some kind is we were transporting.

Speaker 4 (01:46:14):
HVTS high value targets.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
High value target which are at this time was a
large sealed container. I'll tell you I was near the
continent of Africa, and after this particular mission, me and
everyone on my team got extremely sick, sick like physically
ill in the hospital. Within weeks after this, I'd lost

(01:46:39):
every hair on my body, which they call an alopecia
migrating alopecia. And I also lost the skin on my arms.

Speaker 4 (01:46:50):
So the skin's actually falling off your.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
Body, yeah, like not just falling out, It was lopping
off within a couple of days, like a severe sunburn.
This led to a series of all kinds of other
What I have learned since being with doctor Nolan is
autoimmune issues. I ended up developing a severe heart murmur
that I'd never had before, which is the same thing

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that John Burrows had, And throughout my career I would
have reoccurring autoimmune dysfunction when exposed to other things. I
ended up recovering from that. At the time, and because
of the nature of my work, was classified. The VA

(01:47:32):
was only dealing with symptomology, not causation in the treatment
of my injuries. And I didn't even really understand that
it was radiation.

Speaker 4 (01:47:40):
So were you treated it for radiation poisonings?

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
I was not. Are you being No, No, I'm not
being treated now for radiation poison But.

Speaker 4 (01:47:50):
You're being investigated for what sounds like a radiation exposing.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
Yeah, Because I had other occurrences later in my career,
after nine to eleven, when I left my enlisted capacity
and went to work as a contractor, I've had other
episodes where I've had other illnesses and I've had I've
lost the hair on my body and patched out several times.
And to me, I don't know if this My fear
is that there's something permanently broken that might show up

(01:48:17):
in the form of cancer, God knows what later in life,
and we're going to be way behind and trying to
figure out how to deal with it. So I am.
I did leave the service with the service a service
connected disability through the VA, and so I'm getting treatment
through the Palo Alto VA under the supervision of doctor

(01:48:40):
Gary Nolan right now, and he's dedicating his expertise and
his clout to get me the best treatment I can
get now.

Speaker 4 (01:48:47):
Professor Gary Nolan is one of the world's top immunologists,
hugely respected scientist who has, as I understand it, he's
spoken publicly that he's been involved in a program for
an intelligence agency in investigating Havana sinndrome. Yes, so does
it give you some comfort that you are now getting
the medical help that you should have got all those

(01:49:09):
years ago?

Speaker 1 (01:49:10):
Hell? Yeah it does. And plus he's got the best
badside manner I've.

Speaker 4 (01:49:13):
Ever But clearly, because of the covert nature of the
job you were doing, you weren't told what you'd been
exposed to.

Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
Well now we and we transported what we call mystery
boxes all the time. I have no idea it could
have been empty. It probably wasn't empty, but we don't
know what was inside the boxes and.

Speaker 4 (01:49:32):
What were you told if somebody tried to seize that box,
what were they told? What were your orders?

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
We maintained the authority to use lethal forests if anyone
tried to seize those boxes.

Speaker 4 (01:49:45):
So whatever that box was, it was extremely valuable to
the US government.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
That's correct.

Speaker 4 (01:49:50):
I have to say, Jake, that the idea that you
would be so recklessly exposed. You know, a person who's
clearly patriotic, who's clearly been a highly trained operator at
the elite levels of special operations in the US military.
It offends my sense of decency that employers would expose
you to something so richularly.

Speaker 1 (01:50:12):
Can I put on my speculative hat for a minute?

Speaker 4 (01:50:14):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:50:14):
Okay, So if the Air Force, let's say, knew that
what we were working with that night had any type
of radiological signature or could turn on or turn off,
there's a whole set of process that we are we're
trained in on how to deal with that from a
hasmat perspective and a containment perspective and a measurement perspective

(01:50:34):
on our person to detect the level of risk that
might be associated. And the fact that none of that
was apparent that night tells me they didn't know what
was in the box and it got turned on or
turned off, which leads me to believe, in hindsight all
these years that it may have been something of non

(01:50:55):
human origin or exot let's just say exotic. It may
have been something exotic that debated or still had some fallout.
Let's say that they were unaware of.

Speaker 4 (01:51:05):
Now, are you the only person that you're aware of
inside the program who's suffering healths iss?

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
No, No, not at all.

Speaker 4 (01:51:12):
How many are they.

Speaker 1 (01:51:14):
More than me? And probably fifty one percent or greater
I would say, are suffering some form of health effects. Yeah,
I'll just say that just so you know it's more
common than it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:51:27):
That's heartbreaking. I mean, we ask our men and women
in service to do so many things. The idea that
because a program is secret, you wouldn't get the.

Speaker 1 (01:51:35):
Hell, I'm going to push back on that a little bit.
I don't think this is something that's unique to the program.
Is we keep saying, I would say, fifty one percent
of more of the people that come out of the
military have and they sacrifice their bodies for good reason.
That's part of what we're willing to do. I mean,
the ultimate sacrifice. They say is death. Which we've all

(01:51:57):
agreed to do, is to give up our life. So
anything less than death goes in with that obligation that
we gave up voluntarily. So the military at large or
anyone that works in this capacity in the broader service
of our nation, you get injured, especially doing it thirty
years in.

Speaker 4 (01:52:18):
The course of your high value target investigation. You met
doctor Stephen.

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
Greer, Yeah, yeah, I did.

Speaker 4 (01:52:27):
What was the purpose of meeting doctor Stephen Greer?

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
Well, first of all, I'd like to say that, you know,
you could say what you want about doctor Greer, but
the guy's been thirty years ahead of everyone else on
a lot of the details of this subject.

Speaker 4 (01:52:45):
So a lot of what he says is correct to me.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
He's like the Bentwaters, like we had everything we needed
in nineteen eighty and now we're fishing around from morsels
of that. This guy, he's he's been ahead of everyone.
And what I find quite funny is the one thing
he gets the most shipped for is the one thing
he's probably most right about, and that is his CE
five protocol.

Speaker 4 (01:53:09):
So CE five is when he uses meditation and he
claims it engages telepathically with the phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (01:53:15):
Yeah, that's his term for it. Like, we don't use
CE five. We don't use doctor Gridge protocol note or
other people in the in the program or subsequent programs.

Speaker 4 (01:53:25):
So CE five is real.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
Yeah, if we're going to use this term, I'll tell
you what is real is the ability to go into
something like a meditative state and summon UAP and pilot UAP.
That is real. It's one hundredercent real.

Speaker 4 (01:53:44):
Wow. I have to process that for a moment because
that is just the most extraordinary claim.

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
Yeah. Well, we hope to prove it soon.

Speaker 4 (01:53:52):
On what basis did you approach toup Degrea?

Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
My understanding was that whoever was an illegal position, whoever
was an illegal possession of these hvts, may have the
intention to expose that sensitive material as a whistleblower.

Speaker 4 (01:54:09):
You were concerned he might take it to doctor Green.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
Yeah. I was still working in my official capacity of
protecting the sensitive data that was on these h vts.
That was my job at the time. So doctor Greer
was scheduling here a whistleblower conference in DC and was
holding a large event at the Press Club in Washington,

(01:54:33):
d C. And so we reached out to him. One
of my teammates made a bump with him in the
Virginia area and shared with him some information to pique
his curiosity and to also bonafide ourselves as someone he
should maybe consider listening to. And we set up a
meeting and I explained to him up front what our

(01:54:56):
intentions were, that we believed that there were or whistleblowers
that might come forward with something that is sensitive and
it may not be appropriate to disclose. And I asked
to become asked to be put in a position of
authority with him where I could vet his whistleblowers. So

(01:55:16):
we offered our service to help that whistleblowers. At the
time thinking our guys whoever was whoever had these HTTs
might show up with the Redundans. Nope, they never did.
But it was on this trip that we were What
was interesting at the time is we were contemplating our

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own whistleblower.

Speaker 4 (01:55:38):
Path forward because of what had happened.

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
Because of what had happened, it was happening at this time,
and so what surprised me is during this event, a
young marine named Michael Herrera came forward with a very
particular story and spoke of a particular operation that we
were aware was taking place or operations like it. Let's

(01:56:05):
say we're going on and I saw this young guy
get up there and it just spoke to me. Call
it my intuition that was blessed. I was blessed with
that night. I made contact with non human intelligence for
the first time. But my intuition, you know, was on
high alert that night. And when he spoke, I knew

(01:56:25):
what he was saying was true, and no one else
was believing him, and he was wrong about a few
key things that he was speculating on. And so I
made the decision after he spoke to go to doctor
career and ask to speak with him privately.

Speaker 4 (01:56:41):
So let me summarize very quickly what Michael Herrera alleged.
He was on a relief mission in Sumatra, Indonesia. They
were deployed, he and his small patrol to a particular
area and they were helping find people who needed help. Yeah,
in the course of that patrol, they would carry weapons.

(01:57:01):
That's something that's been vigorously disputed by some of his colleagues,
but he's adamant that he was carrying weapons. And they
stumbled across a craft, a gigantic craft, many many, many
meters wide hovering in the air, and below that craft
there was a platform where trucks forward one fifties and

(01:57:22):
there were containers that he described that pushed buttons with
you what he described, didn't he he was told? He told.
He told the Greer Disclosure Conference, which was in twenty
twenty three, that the paramilitaries pointed their weapons and threatened
to kill the Marines, that they were American. They took

(01:57:44):
their guns off them, and they basically threatened that they
were going to be killed.

Speaker 1 (01:57:49):
Yeah, that's exactly what he talked about.

Speaker 4 (01:57:53):
Basically, they were told eventually they were released. They were
told to walk away with their weapons were unchambered. There
were no runs in the wind pappens, and they were
told to walk away. They allowed them to leave, but
they were told not to look back.

Speaker 1 (01:58:04):
Yeah. I can't speak to all that, And let me
be clear, that is not the type of group I
would ever volunteer to be a part of. But I
know that there are guys like that out there that
get shopped out and become part of these programs. The
particular part that struck me were two things. One, the
description of his craft. Although the size was enormous, I

(01:58:27):
have no experience with the craft that size. But the
craft he designed was precisely the same craft that we
had come in contact with in our operations within the
United States, and that is it was a disc with
the eight gun construction when viewed from above. The other
thing was he spoke of the containers and his initial

(01:58:48):
speculation was that they made they must have been moving
drugs because they had something on the top that looked
like some fortum of HVAC system of some kind. And
I knew right away those were the same type of
containers we used for the site team when they're operating
and being transported.

Speaker 4 (01:59:07):
So what are the containers useful?

Speaker 1 (01:59:09):
The containers are used for transportation of the side team
and also just as an operating base. It's a it's
a mobile operating base. And so this quickly went off
the rails because it for some reason, the term human
trafficking got put into the story after, or got put

(01:59:32):
into the minds of the people that were hearing his
story after I got involved.

Speaker 4 (01:59:36):
So what did Michael Herrera think? He thought they were
either gun running or drug running, didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:59:40):
Hey, yeah, he thought they were That's what he assumed.
They were running drugs and I knew that those type
of containers, when associated with that craft, were used for
the side team. That's why they had mini split h
VAC units on the top provide comfortable environments inside for
humans for either transportation or for operation and operate inside

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those containers and they're sealed. They're kind of like a
Faraday cage in that regard where it allows you to concentrate.
If you're going to operate from those, you can concentrate
on your work as a siasset, or they're used to mobilize.

Speaker 4 (02:00:14):
So clearly, whoever those men were, they were American, they
were private military contractors, and they weren't very friendly. Now
are they the people that you feel pose a threat
at times to the legitimate operations of the program.

Speaker 1 (02:00:30):
Yeah, I think it doesn't take many bad apples to
ruin the batch because.

Speaker 4 (02:00:34):
To make the point you're at pains, aren't you too?
Emphasize that generally this is a well run operation that
runs on ethical boundaries.

Speaker 1 (02:00:43):
Yeah, the boundaries My primary messages, My primary message that
I want to get across is that this mass vilifying
of what's referred to as the military industrial complex is
a very bad idea, and there are very good people
that work over here, not just good, the best, the

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best and brightest that America has to offer. And the
goods and service that are provided by those organizations which
fall under the military industrial complex are the goods and
services that make our country the greatest in the world,
and we benefit from those on a daily basis. And
so to mass vilify it on mass is not only

(02:01:27):
I mean, that's a crime in itself, but it's a shame.
And we're so hungry to people are so eager to
quantify where their threat is coming from. We want a
bad guy, and this is not an entire cabal of
bad guys. There are a few bad guys like it
everywhere that operate within the military industrial complex, and unfortunately

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their operations get the spotlight.

Speaker 4 (02:01:53):
So you decided that Michael Herrera, his account made sense
to you from what you knew about the program.

Speaker 5 (02:01:59):
You do.

Speaker 1 (02:02:01):
I told him, I told him what I believed was
going on, and that that I knew that there were
operations going on OCONUS in third world countries to recruit
and train psionic assets and whether or not this was
an opportunity to recruit or provide job opportunities to new

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people or he stumbled upon an operation in which they
were currently being deployed, and maybe they had to evacuate
themselves from that area because of the natural disaster. Who knows,
But that's all speculation.

Speaker 4 (02:02:36):
There's two applications that come out of that. Firstly, we're
recruiting psionics from Indonesia, a foreign country. Yeah, are those
people given? Are they voluntarily going they?

Speaker 1 (02:02:48):
Yeah, it's my understanding they're very well taken care of.
You have to you have to think. And this is
where the human trafficking idea was a a very unfortunate
turn in Michael's story, especial after my involvement with it,
because now, oh great, now we got this guy that
is at least somewhat indirectly informed that there's a human
trafficking operation. And when we talk about human trafficking, we

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think of sex trade and all kinds of other things,
and this is not it at all. It's my understanding
that the programs that are conducted to recruit psionic assets
in third world countries, these people come willingly, and if
you were to go down there and try and liberate
them with any type of liberation army, you would be

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liberating people that don't want to be liberated. They get
very well taken care of, they get fed. There's actually
a sense of pride, especially within the Native American communities
that have been involved in this program that do cooperate
outside of KONUS as well. There's a sense of pride
with this skill and ability. And so again this is
another example of it's almost like we want there to

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be darkness in this area, and there is not darkness.
And I'll tell you, by nature of my experience, as
I shared, non human intelligence itself does not operate that way.
And so these people that are whose skills are nurtured
are basking in a gloi light, I would assume most

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of the time when they're doing their work.

Speaker 4 (02:04:18):
For them, it's a very positive experience engaging spiritually with
this phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (02:04:23):
Yeah, so you say they're basking in some divinely beautiful
frequency in order to do the work properly.

Speaker 4 (02:04:30):
The implications from what you're saying are that if Michael
Herrera is telling the truth, if he really did see
a gigantic octagonal craft floating in mid air with no
visible means of propulsion in Indonesia and Sumatra in I
think two thousand and nine, it suggests that a private
military contractor working for an aerospace company was operating some

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kind of reverse engineered vehicle.

Speaker 1 (02:04:54):
Yeah, it's certainly possible, I would say, especially based on
what I saw. I dealt with a much smaller version
of an octagonal sasser. This was a bigger one. I
could certainly see that being possible.

Speaker 4 (02:05:07):
Can you answer me this question, have you seen any
alien reproduction vehicles, any replica vehicles made from non human technology?

Speaker 1 (02:05:15):
I honestly can't tell you with certainty once we get
into the space, But I can tell you what I
know has been human, what has been non human when
it gets into the hybrids, I just don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:05:27):
Can you tell me how many retrievals you've been involved in? No,
that's a classified thing.

Speaker 1 (02:05:33):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (02:05:34):
Can you tell me were the remaining I think four
hard disks ever recovered.

Speaker 1 (02:05:41):
The four tough books to my knowledge. Now we stopped
at two.

Speaker 4 (02:05:46):
So there are still four hard disks containing potentially incriminating
material at large.

Speaker 1 (02:05:52):
So somebody else was hired and they recovered them.

Speaker 4 (02:05:55):
Is it a question mark in your mind that maybe
it was a foreign adversary power that was trying to
cure this incredibly sensitive it's certainly possible. Was there a
name for the psionics? Was there a term that you
used for There's a term we used, which is what
P three program? Why the P three.

Speaker 1 (02:06:15):
There's three p's, it's the psionic predisposition potential P three. Yeah.
Now that's not an official program name that you'll find anywhere.
That's why I'm able to say that.

Speaker 4 (02:06:29):
From your understanding of the kind of people obviously who
were capable of psionic ability. Obviously there's people of Native
American background, people from third world countries that are deeply
spiritual that appear to have this capacity to engage with
the phenomenon. Was there any other group that was especially
susceptible to being able to engage with this technology?

Speaker 1 (02:06:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:06:50):
Kids, children, children, It's been suggested to me that left
handed gay men are particularly good at it.

Speaker 1 (02:06:58):
Yeah, that certainly seems to be the case that there
is a larger distribution of the predisposition amongst children and
gay men. For whatever reason the demographic when compared to
normal society. Within the program, that gay men and kids

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and females are more often seen as having the predisposition
for the psionic ability.

Speaker 4 (02:07:29):
I'm again exploring the boundaries of where I can go
And you might want to say no comment to this,
but I'm going to put it to you anyway. I
have another source inside the program who has told me
that one of the aerospace companies holding this tech at
one stage relinquished a craft to the US government saying
that they hadn't been able to successfully reverse engineer it.
And it has been put to me that this was

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a lie, and that they have in fact got a
fully flying, intact, reverse engineered craft.

Speaker 1 (02:07:56):
I've heard the very same thing from a very reputable source,
so I would I would believe that's true.

Speaker 4 (02:08:02):
The implications of this that there's a whole secret program
involving potentially energy technologies, anti gravity technologies that are mind blowing.

Speaker 1 (02:08:15):
Yeah, it's fun, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (02:08:17):
It is fun? Yeah. I mean, I guess the message
that I'm getting from you is one of kind of optimism.

Speaker 1 (02:08:23):
Yeah. I'm very pleased to be at a place where
this is becoming fun again. You know, when I started
this journey thirty years ago as a seventeen year old kid,
as I've shared with you, my intentions were very simple
and clear. I wanted to jump out of airplanes, kill
bad guys, and make my grandparents proud. Somewhere along the way,
things got very confusing and very complex. We're now at

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a point where things are very simple for me again,
and I see clearly what I want to do with
the rest of my life, and I have my why,
and fortunately because of my experience, I have the how,
I have the capability, and we over the last two years,
while we've been hiding out, we've been working to find
a way to bring this operation out of the shadows

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and into an open environment where we could build a
public private partnership with full transparency and explore all of
these things that have been explored in secret in a
way that we can start from scratch. But we may
be sixty seventy years behind what everyone calls a legacy program,

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but I'm telling you we're going to catch up very quickly.
And the reason it's going to work is because we
have all of the people like me that have been
working there. I call it the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
But we have been recruiting guys from within the program
and women and those who are associated with the program

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in a very open way and have formed and are
forming a new team in coordination with government agencies the
two we would want the most coordination with are are
coming on board with us, and we also have the
funding through venture capital.

Speaker 4 (02:10:10):
Can you name those agencies?

Speaker 1 (02:10:12):
Not at this time, but I hope too very soon.
You know, we have some really important meetings next week,
and I hope that after that time I'm going to
need to ask permission out of just good faith with
those folks to see how much they want.

Speaker 4 (02:10:27):
To be I guess a lot of people watching this
might be worried that you're getting sucked into, say an
intelligence agency or a military agency that is going to
try and shut you down.

Speaker 1 (02:10:38):
Yeah. Well, or it could be where we're just the
we're just the Legacy program two point zero and this
all goes underground again. I'm giving you my promise right now.
Our organization is called Skywatcher. We are part of what
has been defined as the Explorers Club, and it is
full of people who have the best intentions in mind.

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And there's going to be accountability with her. There's not
going to be transparency. And I know that sounds like
a lot coming or sounds like could be a load
coming from a guy like me with my background, But
you know, I'm not going to be able to prove
it to you in this conversation. But I'll say pay attention,
and I'll paraphrase a quote from the Book of Matthew
and say, you will know them by their fruits, So

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stand by and judge us for our fruits.

Speaker 4 (02:11:27):
You've been really touched, haven't you by this experience. It's
touched you spiritually.

Speaker 1 (02:11:32):
Yes, it has.

Speaker 4 (02:11:33):
There was a gathering at Esclain, Okay, and a lot
of very high net worth individuals who were interested in
suppression of non human intelligence attended. What happened.

Speaker 1 (02:11:47):
I think something epic happened. I think something happened that,
if it was fully documented and understood, would go in
the history books.

Speaker 4 (02:12:00):
I had a feeling last week that that was historical.

Speaker 1 (02:12:02):
It felt absolutely historic. What you had was a combination
of the world's leading Like most frontier scientists, you had
people that were top experts in all their fields, and
then you had a variety of fields that was outrageous.

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We had neurosurgeons, doctors in neurosurgery, We had physicists. We
had high net worth individuals in the billions that were
extremely open minded and had a frontier attitude towards all this.
We had mystics, we had psychic kids. We had children

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from Germany that could harness and actually showcase their ability
to perform telekinesis their ability to psychically see things with
their mind, and we're able to prove that to all
of us. We also deployed some of our psionic assets

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that we've used and are part of our new team
with Skywatcher, and we summoned UAP. We had the UAP
come and fly around and visit, hang out with us,
and take off.

Speaker 4 (02:13:20):
And I have to say I saw it too. Yeah,
and it was profound. It's a spiritual experience. And what
you're trying to do now is replicate in the private
sphere what's being suppressed in the public sphere.

Speaker 1 (02:13:39):
Yeah, you know, we we're not looking back. You know,
we could. We can leave the bad actors of the past,
we can leave them with their lives. We have no
need for that. We're looking forward. I am absolutely confident
that we are capable of generating the type of high

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quality the censor data and photography and film evidence that
everyone is wanting. I'm also confident that if we continue
on the path with our with our government agencies, that
we're going to get a craft. We're going to get
material in hand. I know it's possible, it's just a
matter of working out the logistics.

Speaker 4 (02:14:20):
I'm just I'm just exploring this with you. The implications
are that this one part of the black world of
the US government that is being hidden from Congress, hidden
from some presidents, I know, working on retrieved alien non
human technology. It's being kept from the knowledge of the

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American public. And yet there's they're being funded with taxpayer dollars,
billions of taxpayers dollars. If you believe it. What do
you think of that?

Speaker 1 (02:14:55):
Well, it doesn't sound right, does it? But you could
probably tell that same story around a number of other
things they have nothing to do with aliens, And unfortunately
that's the government and the world we live in.

Speaker 4 (02:15:07):
But the exciting thing is the thing I find breathtaking
from what you're saying, is you're saying, as somebody who's
come from that black world.

Speaker 1 (02:15:17):
Yeah, screw the secrecy. I'm going to say it a
little differently. The monopoly the US government has on the
subject matter is not respected by the non human intelligence spirits. Again,
the skies are not classified, and your conscious cannot be redacted.
And ultimately, why I feel safe and why I feel

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optimum optimistic about the future is I know that the
NHI is guiding us that way.

Speaker 4 (02:15:47):
Can you explain how it is that you're not authorized
to do this interview, but you ended up applying for ADOPTSA.
I think our audience might be confused. They might think
that this is somehow an authorized interview and that they
are a peaceeople in the Defense Department pulling the strings
telling you what to say, and that this is some
kind of disinformation operation.

Speaker 1 (02:16:07):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me. But
for what it's worth, I can tell you that's not
the case. I mean, the dopster process is very interesting.
It's way more casual, especially on the on st than
you might think when you take into account the ramifications
for violating, the mandates that come out of it and

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the subject matter that it's supposedly protecting. But you know,
they get put in a really tough spot, and this
is part of something we aimed to take advantage of.
I guess you could say by interrogating the dopts or system.
One of the things I haven't shared yet is in
our effort to find out who we were looking for,
one of the ways we came up with on how

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to do that was to query for who might want
to redapt statements we intended to go public with through Dopster.

Speaker 4 (02:17:01):
So you filed I think, a fictionalized account of some
of your experiences to dopts it.

Speaker 1 (02:17:06):
Yeah, So any author or anybody that's going to be
contributing to an author to put something in writing or
to share it orally like this has to go through
the doptsor process if you ever held a security clearance

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working for a government agency in the subject matter that
you are intending to go public on. So right off
the bat, there's a tail right there. The fact that
I had to go through Dopster tells you I had
a security clearance on the subject matter right there. So
there's their first failure of poker face, and that's exactly
what we set out to exploit. And so we came

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up with a reconnaissance mission. The reconnaissance mission looked like this,
We were going to write a detailed manuscript as fiction
through a ghost writer. When we completed that, it was
about one hundred and twenty thousand word manuscript. We broke
that manuscript into actual sections that we called episodes because

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Dopster wants you to complete or submit the entire document.
We submitted our first twenty thousand words, our first ten
thousand words, which was twenty pages, and within that first
chunk of information, we included four types of information, and
that information's purpose, again was to inform us as to

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what they considered sensitive, and the SMMES which stands for
subject matter experts, that they were outsourcing the information too.

Speaker 4 (02:18:39):
Because what they do in the Dopster process is they
send it out to all of the agencies that might
be affected by you going public on something, yes, even
in a fictionalized manuscript, and they say to them, is
there anything in here that needs to be redected to
protect national security?

Speaker 1 (02:18:53):
That's correct, and it could be. You could present it
to them as fact or fiction. It doesn't matter the
con text.

Speaker 4 (02:19:00):
But more importantly, if it's protecting national security and it's rejected,
it has to be a legally authorized program, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (02:19:10):
Yes, it does. So this is what we use to
set up our four categories of information that I want
to get through with you. Category one we included in
that manuscript information we knew was classified, that we were
privy to, and we knew that was patently classified on

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a very high level. Information Category number two was information
that was classified but we knew only existed within the
hearts and minds of the operators that were at the
fingertips of that operation. Information Category number three was information
that was classified but you may be surprised to learn

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was already in the public domain and open source. Because
of the nature of the Internet, there are things that
the DoD in its partner would say that shouldn't be
out there, but it is anyway. So we put some
of that in there. And then we had our fourth category, information,
which was the most fun, which was where we took
a little liberty and went fishing. We took our information

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that we knew was compartmentalized, connected it with other information
that were these fact islands we were aware of because
of our I won't say how, and then we took
our own creative liberty at connecting those two dots through
particular pathway as to why that might exist, and filled
that space with other fictional classified information. What happened six

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months later, It took six months. We came back with
seven pages or redactions of all four categories.

Speaker 4 (02:20:46):
Wow, so one that confirms there is a classified program
relating to this information.

Speaker 1 (02:20:54):
Wow, now there was a counterplay here. So although that
was informative, I have to tell you when they came back,
our intention was now that reconnaissance mission, having bared fruits,
was now going to inform how we went back and edited.
Remember this was the first twenty pages of a multi
page I would say, the first ten thousand words of

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one hundred and twenty thousand word manuscript. We were then
going to take that information and write around it in
order to extract more intel through the dopster process.

Speaker 4 (02:21:23):
So you were running a counter counter surveillance operation against
the very organizations.

Speaker 1 (02:21:27):
That's a red team's best tool right there. You were
doing four opposition play three, four or five dimensional chess,
so you play multi dimensional chess.

Speaker 4 (02:21:38):
So even though they know you and your team were
thinking about publishing something, they don't know that you were
speaking publicly on national television about the legacy program.

Speaker 1 (02:21:49):
That's a good question. No they don't, but it doesn't
mean I was limited to do that because I have
to tell you about the counterplay. So there is a
although they have no poker face, they're in a really
tough spot because not redacting information means that if they
just if they just chose, hey, this is sensitive, but
we're not going to redact it. Well, now, obviously that

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makes it into the public domain. But by redacting it,
they prove that it's sensitive. So they have no idea
as to They have no idea as to how you
acquired the information. They know based on your security clearance
and your background, because it had to be submitted under
my official name and social Security number and my record

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in order to get triggered. That's how they know what
smmes to send it to. The SMEs who I worked for,
squashed all kinds of stuff. Then it went to one
of the other smmes I worked for. They squashed their stuff,
and it came back with all these squashings in the
form of black ink. Now, let me keep going, because
the counterplay for them would have been to let certain

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information go so that it could be formally categorized as
not sensitive and the fictitional liberties taken by an author
of a fictional book, so they could do that. They
could have done that, but we didn't really see that.
What they did do, however, was they got a sense.

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They got on to us, they figured out what we
were doing, and they said stop. You cannot send anything else.
You have to submit the whole manuscript. And we told them, well,
that is the whole book. We're going to release this
like episodes of a special. This is the whole season,
but we're going to release it in episode. So we
have to send it to you ten thousand words at
a time because that's how it's going to be released.

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And they were kind of caught there and they didn't
quite know how to respond. So I can tell you
that since then, and this was a two thousand correction,
this was twenty twenty two, I think believe in January
when we first submitted the manuscript and they haven't gotten
back to us on the rest of it's still sitting there.

Speaker 4 (02:23:56):
Do you think that there are people in private aerospace
who think that it's in the that eventually this story
is going.

Speaker 1 (02:24:01):
To be I know there are, and we have a
lot of people in private aerospace that are part of
our Skywatcher program that have.

Speaker 4 (02:24:08):
Come on because just echoing the point that you made
earlier that the military industrial complex is not one big,
monolithic organization that says the same view thing and has
the same view. There are people I know inside the military,
inside the intelligence community, and you've been one of them
who basically think it's implausible to try and keep this secret,

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and moreover, that the public has a right to know.

Speaker 1 (02:24:32):
Yeah, it's going to come out. It's all coming out.
It's coming out probably like this year.

Speaker 4 (02:24:37):
So you think yourself, the public has a right to
know this information, not all of that. Now, what sort
of things need to be protected?

Speaker 1 (02:24:46):
Do you think that's anything that affects national security? Like,
we have to be careful of what we wish for,
Like we don't know what we don't know, even me,
I don't know what I don't know. And if we're
at the point where we have so little trust in
our government that we're just gonna there's a reason it's
called catastrophic disclosure. Catastrophic is not good for those calling

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for heads anymore than it's good for those whose heads
are being called for. Like, we as a public do
not want catastrophic disclosure. What we need Again, there's a
few bad apples. We need to maintain our institutions. We
don't get rid of them. We need to find a
way to get the right people promoted to positions of
power and trust, and we already have that. It's called

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the Gang of Aid in Congress. They're a big part
of that. Right now, it's not functioning that way, but
we're not going to change. We can't change the structure.
We need to get the right people into power, into positions,
start looking into it. And again, you don't need to
rely on the government, it's already there. Like, what we
need to know is this, We need to know that
we're not alone. We need to know that there's a
profound spiritual component to our existence, and that's just for

(02:25:58):
the sake of our own fellowship is creatures sharing this planet.
But also there's an extreme amount of utility in our
ability that has been suppressed forever. So if we could
learn how to use that. And also for those that
are keeping the secrets, keeping it secret is a bad

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way to try and study something. We need an open source.
We need all hands on deck, all brains on deck,
all consciousness on deck in order to find out how
we can exploit this in the best of ways, in
order to come up with things like zero point energy.
Let's say, until we do so, we're going to be
stuck it with the same problem we have been for

(02:26:40):
all the civilization. And that's a battling for limited resources,
and if we could solve that problem by something that
might come out of disclosure, that would be something I
say should be disclosed things relative to national security. No,
and we can't trust ourselves. We can't say give us
all of it because we don't trust you. We have

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to put trustworthy people in position and let them make
that decision.

Speaker 4 (02:27:06):
Okay, let me ask you this way. Then, do you
think the public have the right to know that we
are not alone?

Speaker 1 (02:27:14):
Yes, I'll say yes to that.

Speaker 4 (02:27:16):
And the thing I find shocking though, is that the
most beautiful thing that you've described to me, the most
exciting thing is what I think our audience is going
to have the biggest trouble with is believing the idea
that human beings have the capacity to do things with
their minds that have been suppressed.

Speaker 1 (02:27:36):
Yeah, I've just kind of smile because that makes it
more entertaining for me because they're going to be shocked.
But you know what they think. I don't think that's
necessarily the case. I think there's more people that believe it,
they're just not talking about it. And I can tell
you for a fact, even within our world of hardened
operators at the highest level of guys that are still

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in behind closed doors. We all know it's true, and
we have the most emotional talks like we're part of
Oprah's book club. I mean, it's true. And right now
we're in a moment where the truth is being obbuscated
and twisted. But the truth, I'll tell you, is our weapon.
And when we're willing to accept the truth, no matter

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how profound or ear shaking, is when we move into
a position of power and it's going to liberate this
subject And you know what, how fun would it be
if we're right. I'm not telling you it'd be different
if the government and what was being hid behind this
subject matter was the fact that there was an asteroid
on course for Earth, that there is no way we

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could we could redirect it, or there's no way we
could defend against it, and we were all going to
die in the year twenty twenty x or whatever it is.
That's not what's being hidden. What's being hidden here is
something extremely positive, and it's something we've all hoped for.
It's the one thing we've all looked for in all
of our religions that we celebrate right across the world

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it's the one thing that we want to be true
of our religion, and it's the one thing that the
one common thread amongst our religions, and so that's what's
being hidden, and that's what we're going to find out,
and you can't bottle it up.

Speaker 4 (02:29:16):
The implications of what you're saying also are that potentially
there is some kind of capacity to draw incredible amounts
of energy. I've seen it, the quantum VACU.

Speaker 1 (02:29:26):
You've seen it.

Speaker 4 (02:29:27):
You've seen it, I've seen it. There's also obviously the
capacity to use propulsion systems that are far beyond what
we're describing now.

Speaker 1 (02:29:37):
That seems to be the case as well.

Speaker 4 (02:29:39):
Anti gravity, anti gravity, they know about it, anti gravity,
zero point energy. Those secrets are being suppressed from our knowledge.

Speaker 1 (02:29:49):
I've seen demonstrations recently that again proves that the government
doesn't have monopoly on this. They have while they have,
we know that they have been working on it. They've
seemed to have been doing a good job in keeping
others from making their own independent progress. But that time
is changing. Independent progress is happening right now and it's

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coming out. That's why I'm so confident we don't need
to rely on their body of lack of evidence. Let's
say we don't need to rely on that, like it's here,
like the shift has already happened. There's people in Silicon
Valley and around the world that are so financially independent,
so intellectually independent, and yes, so emotionally and psionically independent,

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that they don't need the government to tell us those things.
But we still have to work through that.

Speaker 4 (02:30:43):
Do you think the aliens, the non human intelligence, wants
us humanity to know about their existence?

Speaker 1 (02:30:51):
Yeah? I do believe that that's the message that we're getting.
So you felt that your message, and there are other
that I know of that are being sent that message directly,
and they are extremely confident.

Speaker 4 (02:31:07):
So, Jake, in early October, you made the decision on
the invitation of the Senate Select Committee for Intelligence to
go to Congress and give evidence.

Speaker 1 (02:31:17):
Yes, I did.

Speaker 4 (02:31:17):
How was that day?

Speaker 1 (02:31:20):
It was great? It was nice to finally get it done.
And it seemed like by the time I went, I
held out so long that by the time I got
there that a lot of people had already done the
heavy lifting, like Dave and others, and so they were like, Okay,
we know, we don't know, and we know that we

(02:31:40):
haven't proven to be the most They know that they
don't have They can't offer whistleblowers the protection we know
they need, which was my primary objection the entire time,
is that they offer protection, they have no way of
providing it. They've got no enforcement, they've got no unfortunate
they can't protect me, and so things had certainly changed.

Speaker 4 (02:32:04):
What was the reception in the room. What kind of
comments did you hear?

Speaker 1 (02:32:08):
Well, for the most part, it was fantastic. You know,
there was eight or nine people. I'm not going to
say versus me, but it was a one v nine
situation where it was me and there and then I
had at times seven to ten people. A few had
to come and go because we went for four and
a half hours. But it was all ears. It was listening.

Speaker 4 (02:32:29):
David Grush and Commander David Fraber gave evidence to the
Congress along with Ryan Graves. The two eighteen pilots set
with David Grush and gave evidence to the Congress last
year under oath, and they insisted on doing it under
oath to emphasize the veracity the truthfulness of what they
were saying. If you were asked, would you be prepared

(02:32:51):
to do the same.

Speaker 1 (02:32:52):
One hundred percent, And I told them that. I told
Congress that during our time in the skiff, Now, what.

Speaker 4 (02:32:57):
Impact do you think you had on the people listening
in the room at the Senate Selectivitee for Intelligence.

Speaker 1 (02:33:03):
Well, we laughed, we cried, we had a lot of
serious talk. So if anything, I would think I came
across sincere. Keep in mind, we were scheduled for a
two hour block. We went four and a half, so
they were definitely engaged. They seemed like they were sincere,
sincere in their effort to find out what's going on.

Speaker 4 (02:33:23):
Why hasn't somebody like you with first hand knowledge of
the program come forward so definitively before.

Speaker 1 (02:33:30):
That's a good question, and that's what I kept waiting
for more to come forward. I feel uniquely qualified to
come forward at this time because I know we have
this private venture coming and I've already been begun negotiating
with those government agencies who I thought may have come
after me, let's say, if they had ill will, and

(02:33:52):
it's been proven to me that they don't.

Speaker 4 (02:33:55):
So there are government agencies that don't know about this program,
that are aware of the obvious illegality of parts of it.

Speaker 1 (02:34:03):
Yeah, I don't know if it's that. It's every department
has within it a responsibility to deal with shit in
the sky flying around that we don't know what it is.
I mean, just start in the FAA for example, which
is Ryan Graves's particular case he's trying to advance, is
that you know, there is a safety of flight here.
There is an aircraft separation issue, a collision avoidance issue

(02:34:27):
in the air. If there are things flying around in
the sky and the FAA doesn't have a way of
managing that or producing safety reports on it, we've got
a big problem. And the problem gets much bigger from there.
And so while we like to speak of the government
as the government, it is not one big cohesive machine
that works together. And so every department, like the FBI,

(02:34:51):
like Department of Homeland Security, like Border Patrol, Department Offense,
you know, they have their own niche responsibilities in order
to make sure things in the sky aren't our adversaries,
aren't carrying payloads, aren't causing safety of flight issue, and yeah, aren't.
They also have a responsibility to figure out whether or

(02:35:13):
not aliens are visiting the planet and you think they are, Yeah,
I do. So.

Speaker 4 (02:35:18):
The truth is that.

Speaker 1 (02:35:21):
The truth has been out for a long time.

Speaker 4 (02:35:24):
What would you like to see happen? Like, what's your
dream You've seen this technology, Yeah, you've filed the sincerity
of the intelligence that you were engaging with. What would
you dream of? What's your aspiration for the future?

Speaker 1 (02:35:37):
You know, what'd be really cool is to be driving
down the highway, look up and see a billboard advertisement
for the United States Air Force recruiting kids into a
career field for UAP research and study, for psionic exploration,
for piloting technology to other gal like that would tell

(02:36:02):
me we've arrived and we are at a place where
clearly the public and the government are working together.

Speaker 4 (02:36:09):
Because the suppression of this secret it's not just suppressing
technology and weapons, which I can you know, as much
as I don't like the idea of it, I can
understand why somebody might have made the decision to do that.
It's suppressing spiritual knowledge that you think the public's got
a right to know.

Speaker 1 (02:36:27):
Well, and here's where I would say, we need to
respect the fact that we don't know. We don't know.
Imagine weaponizing consciousness we don't think of in this story,
we're telling we're assuming consciousness is the good, benevolent, harmless
thing that should be disclosed everything we've researched and understood.

(02:36:50):
Imagine if it is the case that consciousness could be
weaponized and that people like the President of the United
States could have could be undermine control. That's a huge problem.
And imagine if someone could independently develop We already see
this problem with drones. We are so out of control
with the drone issue that drones can fly around with

(02:37:13):
a payload and cause mash casualties because we don't have
it under control. The f he doesn't we just unfortunately
we don't have the CFRs, the CODA, federal regulations, and
the people hired to deal with something like drones. Imagine
if we had to manage and police the malevolent use
or the weaponization of consciousness, that could be a really

(02:37:35):
big problem.

Speaker 4 (02:37:36):
Have you done any operations yourself, retrievals or operations involving
the Legacy program in Arizona?

Speaker 1 (02:37:43):
No.

Speaker 4 (02:37:44):
Have you seen the rubber duck video which was shot
by Border patrol from a surveillance plane over parts of
the Arizona disc Do you know anything about that object?

Speaker 1 (02:37:54):
I don't. I don't know anything about it?

Speaker 4 (02:37:56):
Are you aware of any underground basis?

Speaker 1 (02:37:58):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (02:37:59):
Have you visited any Yes? So they exist?

Speaker 1 (02:38:02):
They do.

Speaker 4 (02:38:05):
Can you tell me anymore? No, Ras, you can't blame
me for trying.

Speaker 1 (02:38:10):
Now, I don't blame you.

Speaker 4 (02:38:12):
Do you know anything about the Phoenix Light since.

Speaker 1 (02:38:14):
I'm very Yeah, I'm familiar with that story. I remember
hearing about it when I was a kid and going, oh,
that's interesting, but not believing it. But now knowing what
I know, it seems very clear to me that that
was a legitimate non human intelligence that had flown some
sort of craft over Phoenix.

Speaker 4 (02:38:31):
Which raises the question. All over the United States right now,
US Air Force baces are being buzzed by what they
call drones. Yeah, And funnily enough, nobody's seen one of
these and been able to recover one because so called
electromagnetic pulse weapons don't work on these objects.

Speaker 1 (02:38:50):
Whatever they are, not all UAP respond to the same
weapon systems.

Speaker 4 (02:38:56):
It raises the question, is the phenomenon making it self
war overt? Do you think? Is it trying to wake
us up?

Speaker 1 (02:39:05):
Certainly is to me in my experience, But you know,
it's hard to say. I don't know how to how
to look at that from a completely objective. I don't
know how much it's shown itself over the decades and centuries.

Speaker 4 (02:39:17):
Because a lot of people watching this, sad to say,
you're pushing them up against a barrier of doubt, indecision, stigma,
and taboo that's been attached to the subject for eighty years.
A lot of people aren't going to believe this. What
do you say to those people.

Speaker 1 (02:39:36):
I'm not here to make anyone believe anything. It's exhausting,
like either you're gonna get it or you're not going
to get it. Like we have we honor in our
own capacity. We've operated Skywatcher already. Me and my team
on the very first outing summoned a white egg in
broad daylight. And why I have pictures of it I'm
happy to share with you. We calculated this object to

(02:39:57):
be traveling, depending upon the Slat range distance anywhere between
three thousand and eleven thousand miles per hour based on
this size. We're still analyzing the data we collected from
the range and we're happy to show that to you.
And so what else could that be? There's this other
way of looking at this, like we can put all

(02:40:18):
this information before you, and you could say, it's not this,
it's not this, it's not this. We're at a point
now where the amount of information is so overwhelming. The
probability that any alternate, alternate explanation for its existence is
there is so much less than the probability that what
I'm telling you is exactly what is going on.

Speaker 4 (02:40:40):
You want this investigated, don't you?

Speaker 1 (02:40:42):
Yeah? I want to do the investigating. That's what we're doing.

Speaker 4 (02:40:45):
I wanted. But would you quite like to see as
a result of this story, would you like to see
yourself questioned and held to account for evidence and tested
your allegation.

Speaker 6 (02:40:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:40:55):
We have an opportunity right now to work with the
US government and as a private partner the place where
we operate right now. We've been successful before in conducting
our whole operation, all five phases of it. The US
government has shown an interest. They know we're capable, they
know what we've pulled out of the sky. It's consistent

(02:41:16):
with the egg and everything else I've told you about.
And what they're offering to do now is give us
exclusive use access to facilities because they don't know what's
going on. Departments there, there are departments within the broader
branches of the three letter agencies that aren't being read
into what other sections are. So they want us to help,

(02:41:39):
and because we're one of the few groups of people
that have experience and we provide them a path to redemption.

Speaker 4 (02:41:46):
So there's a business, there's real there's a real message
here from you of incredible optimism about what this could represent.

Speaker 1 (02:41:52):
Yeah, this is why I know disclosures coming and guess
what it's going to come out in the most beautiful way.
I believe the United States government in the next twelve
months is going to use me and my team as
a peaceful, non judgmental path forward to disclosure. They're going
to help us conduct our operations and gather evidence in

(02:42:18):
order to present this subject matter to the public so
that these questions can be answered once and for all.
And all the questions I'm talking about, what do the
craft look like, how do they operate, who is operating them,
how are they being operated, and where are they coming from?
We should be able to answer those questions, probably entirely
in the next twelve months.

Speaker 4 (02:42:40):
Can I put to you there is a dark state.
There are people who don't have good intentions who want
this secret to remain suppressed, aren't they It.

Speaker 1 (02:42:51):
Seems that way. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:42:53):
Are they going to win?

Speaker 1 (02:42:55):
No, they're not going to win. They're not going to win.
We've passed a tipping point. Like I said, when you're
talking about these people, they aren't organized. You become a
dark person by by being filled with more vice than virtue.
Virtuous people win. People full of vice they lose, and
they're dividing amongst themselves. They're on a sinking ship. All

(02:43:18):
of the good people that are in these organizations realize
they're in a position they need to make a decision
as to which side they're on, and despite having all
this leverage and threat that they have that's being held
against them, they're making the decision to move forward.

Speaker 4 (02:43:34):
Are there people inside the program who you know will
come forward when you speak up?

Speaker 1 (02:43:42):
Yes, I know. I'm going to serve as a huge catalyst,
and that's going to be an exciting day. The things
I'm talking about are going to be you know, Dave
did a great job of paving a path. I'm going
to come along and try and improve upon that path
and widen the road. I expect, in fact, the next
people that are the next groups of folks that are

(02:44:04):
going to be coming down this path, are going to
blow it wide open.

Speaker 4 (02:44:06):
Do you worry for your safety, for your family safety?

Speaker 1 (02:44:09):
No, I don't. I don't. I think I'm being protected,
believe it or not, by the NHI. And also I
don't put up with harassment. I don't believe in the boogeyman.
I am the boogeyman.

Speaker 4 (02:44:21):
You know how to help yourself?

Speaker 1 (02:44:23):
Yes, yep.

Speaker 4 (02:44:24):
So if somebody comes after you, they'd better watch out.

Speaker 1 (02:44:27):
It'll probably be the worst decision they ever made in
their life. I intend to make it that way.

Speaker 4 (02:44:32):
Clearly. At the heart of all of this, there's been
an eighty year cover up where we've all outside in
the normal world being told that this is nonsense. Aliens
aren't real, telepathy is nonsense. How do you deal with that?

(02:44:55):
How do we reverse decades of stigma and taboo?

Speaker 1 (02:45:00):
Inform yourself, why are we relying on these people that
have been keeping the secrets to let us in on
the secret. Why don't we make their secrets obsolete by
capturing the evidence ourself and becoming all firsthand experiencers of
the phenomenon and the technology. Because that's possible, and.

Speaker 4 (02:45:23):
From what you're saying, Jack, Baba, that's a beautiful experience.

Speaker 1 (02:45:28):
Yeah, it was the most beautiful experience that I've had
in my life.

Speaker 4 (02:45:32):
Would you like to see your kids one day doing
that wok?

Speaker 1 (02:45:35):
My kids already are believe it or not.

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