April 18, 2025 • 26 mins
Before his song You Ain’t Pretty hit the Top 40 on the Billboard country charts, Nate Barnes was clocking in at a nuclear power plant in Michigan. In this revealing interview, Nate shares his journey from small-town South Haven to Nashville’s country music scene—and how faith, family, and trades work shaped every step.
In This Episode:
- Why Nate spent over a decade in skilled trades before pursuing music full-time
- How a spiritual moment during a church service changed his career path
- What it felt like hearing his music on the radio for the first time
- The powerful story behind his new album Holding You
- Why he believes the most honest songs come from hard-earned experience
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Nate Barnes (00:00):
We got to top 40 on the Billboard country charts.
The, the, oh yeah.
Let, let alone just being on thebillboard charts, was insane.
Or being on the radio wasinsane, Coming from just leaving
a power plant in my life.
and that, yeah, that songreally changed my life.
We just want to write apositive song for women.
(00:20):
And a positive messagefor people out there.
It just, it just reallychanged my life forever.
Cliff Duvernois (00:27):
Hello everyone and welcome back to Total Michigan, where
we interview ordinary Michigandersdoing extraordinary things.
I'm your host Cliff DuVernois.
Country music is kind of a thing.
And I have to say, it's awesome thatMichigan seems to be the birthplace of
some really talented people that arecoming up in the country music industry.
(00:48):
And with that being said, uh,we're talking to one of those
artists today whose album.
It's just dropped, and that wouldbe Holding You and you should
definitely go and check it out.
It's definitely worth the ear timethat you would spend on it, but
the, uh, the artist, the singer,the composer, the entertainer for
this is a gentleman by the name ofNate Barnes, and he's with us today.
(01:09):
Nate, how are you?
I'm good.
Good, Cliff.
How are you?
I'm doing awesome.
Thank you for asking.
So why don't you tell us alittle bit about where you're
from and where did you grow up?
Nate Barnes (01:19):
Yeah, well, uh, we're here pretty much, uh, where I'm from.
I'm from South Haven, Michigan.
Grew, grew up here my whole life.
small town, guy, country, dude,just, you know, big family kind
of was in music my whole life.
kind of led me, there's so much in, withinfrom when I was a kid to where I'm at,
to now, but it all really led me to thismoment in my life and this album that
(01:42):
just came out singing country music.
So, which is exciting.
So thanks for having me.
Appreciate it.
Cliff Duvernois (01:48):
So you said you're, you're from, the South Haven area?
Yeah.
At what point.
Did you actually getexposed to country music?
Nate Barnes (01:58):
Country music?
my whole life was, I hadcountry music in my life.
blues.
I grew up, blues, a lot of blues,Motown, all sorts of music.
I got exposed to so much musicbut country to, to be honest.
And, and it never really hit,Me until I, I was an adult,
until I was, I was 21 years old.
is when I knew I wantedto do country music.
(02:23):
I, I knew, I, I, without a doubt, I hadto be a part of country music in some way.
and, but prior to that, I mean,I was in rock bands, death metal
bands, blues bands, everythingyou can think of, punk bands.
As a drummer, I.
Oh, wow, okay.
as a drummer for my whole life.
something kept leading me tokeep writing music on the side
(02:46):
and doing this other thing.
And, and, and when I was 21, it waslike, that's, I, it's, I found it.
It was like, I've been, I've beenmissing, this is what I've been
missing my whole life, right?
This is who I really am.
my buddy, Dennis Hartman, and we're.
This is my, this is where Istay at, and this is his barn.
And he came into my life and hereintroduced country music to me.
(03:09):
And when he did that, and it was duringa time of my life that I was searching
a deeper meaning of, of God in my life.
Deeper meaning of who I am as aman what I really want outta life.
And then he, hereintroduced country music.
And it was like.
Prior to that I wasrunning from the truth.
(03:31):
And then when I got tothat age, I was seeking it.
Yeah.
And then country music is likeit, all it does is tell the truth.
You know?
And that's what I think I had a troublewith connecting with country music before.
'cause I didn't want to feel those.
I didn't want to.
I didn't want to feel that.
'cause I was trying to, Ididn't want to go there yet.
(03:52):
Right.
I wasn't ready.
That's when country musiccame into my life for real.
Cliff Duvernois (03:57):
So you said you were a drummer in a number of bands.
So is your family, is it like musicians?
Did you
Nate Barnes (04:03):
Yeah, yeah.
We, you know, we were all like singers.
Like growing up with my family was,was really, amazing in a lot of ways.
one was music.
Is what brought us together.
Music and food and gatherings.
But music was such a big deal for us.
my grandma would play piano all the timeand we would go around a piano and sing
(04:26):
and a lot of singers, a lot of peoplein the marching band, stuff like that.
And no one knew that I wasgonna be the kid that really.
Took it over.
Right.
You know, really, you know, I was, myfirst band was in like fifth grade.
I was in, I was gigging bythe time I was 12 years old.
Oh, nice.
Like in bars by the time I was like14, playing in bars and in venues.
(04:50):
And
Cliff Duvernois (04:50):
Did you have to convince anyone that you were 18 or anything?
Nate Barnes (04:53):
Yeah, I, I was a great liar.
Yeah.
But then my mom would come, my mom would,my mom would drop me off these places
and hey, I'm, he can be in here and.
Oh, that's hilarious.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you really got, it was everythingbit by the, the stage bug.
It was everything.
Like early, well here too, alot of people don't know, like
Southwest Michigan, during that timegrowing up, we all were musicians.
(05:19):
The who I, when I grew up, there wereso many incredible singers and musicians
and artists and people and bands.
We, everybody was in a band.
A lot of us were.
And so it was, uh, very common to,not only in your home life, but
like in your school life was, Hey,after practice, let's get to my
(05:40):
house and let's start rehearsing.
Let's start thinking about thebiggest dreams that we have as a band.
You know?
Yeah.
It was like, it was very normal.
Very normal.
And it was in very incrediblemusicians around around me that
really inspired me to really,grab a hold of wanting to do this.
It was just, it was, to me,it was like a mini Nashville.
(06:03):
Like young kids setting up gigsat, at a venue, right, until
one in the morning playing.
As teenagers.
It's pretty odd, and, but a lot ofus doing it and, uh, doing it good.
I mean, there was some, some incredibleguys, so it was pretty easy for me.
(06:23):
But I, I knew even before that, like whenI was a kid, My granddad who passed away,
he grew up with a guy named BB King.
Yeah.
In Tupelo, and, well, as he grew up,my granddad in Tupelo, Mississippi.
Him and BB uh, became reallygood childhood friends.
Cliff Duvernois (06:39):
Oh, cool.
Nate Barnes (06:40):
And they grew up together.
Anyways, he was, uh, a kind of apart of our family, and we were
had a lot of ties to him as well.
My granddad knew a lot about music.
Knew, and he was very, veryknowledgeable about it.
And his life was insane.
My granddad was an incredible man.
But his, the life he lived wasbizarre and, and very, very wild.
(07:04):
And he would sit with uskids and tell stories.
And the way he told stories, itwas the best storyteller I ever
met in my life, When he would dothat, he would always have records
on and, and, and listen to music.
That as a kid, I was areally, really young guy.
I knew right then that Iwanted to tell stories.
I wanted to be involved in music.
(07:25):
I knew that, and as a young age,right, because I wanted to tell
stories like my granddad, he was,and touch people's lives in that way.
I just knew.
I just knew that.
But he breathed thatand he never sat down.
Nate, I want you toplay the guitar, right?
I want you to go play drums.
He just, the way he told stories andhow he did it, the conviction and the
(07:48):
life he lived really touched, me, myheart, and, as a really small kid.
And then from then on it was just, youdidn't, nobody needed to do anything.
I just did it.
IFI found whatever it tookto get instruments, whatever
it took, it didn't matter.
Whatever it took to goplay somewhere, perform.
I, I, I was gonna figure it out.
We were gonna, and, uh, it was just thisburning desire to, to wanna do this.
(08:12):
Right.
Cliff Duvernois (08:12):
You started off on the drums.
Yeah.
So talk to us about that transitionthere, because like with the drums
and stuff, you can kind of hideyourself a little bit in the back.
But now you're up front.
Spotlight's on you.
So how did you make that transition?
Or when did you realize, you knowwhat, I actually have a set of pipes.
I can sing.
Nate Barnes (08:29):
I never thought I had a set of pipes and I could sing.
Never did.
I never did.
In fact, like it, I mean, Igrew, I played, I started playing
piano, started playing guitar.
but my, I really was a drummer.
I really, that's what I was gonna,
Cliff Duvernois (08:43):
in your heart, you're a drummer.
Nate Barnes (08:44):
I was gonna hang my hat in my future on being a
drummer, and all I wanted to do wasbe the best musician in the world.
Yeah.
Or the best musician Icould be backing somebody.
Banking is superstar, right?
That's all I wanted.
Give, and I didn't wanna be up there.
I wanted to be back here doingmy thing in the background.
(09:05):
Now if you talk to other people,I, you know, I loved attention.
I was always wanting attention.
But that transition was really,um, around middle school.
When I was in middle school,in the, late middle school, I.
because I, I was, I wouldwrite songs on tape recorders.
Oh, cool.
I would write songs on taperecorders and, and it was terrible.
(09:26):
I couldn't sing.
I tried to sing like Johnny Lane.
I don't know if you know whothe old b old, uh, blues guy.
I tried to sing likeeverybody behind closed doors.
But it was like, man, I can't, I.
I can't sing good.
Right.
And I can't write songs good.
But I like it, so I'll keep trying it.
And I was at church one day becauseI used to play in a lot of churches
(09:47):
and youth groups and stuff.
I, I wasn't playing that day.
I was in the, Uh, watching theservice and something told me,
it was like deep in my, my heart.
Yeah.
I was like, Nate, and it's, it was like,Nate, you need to, you need to sing.
There, there were peoplewere singing up there.
And I just started cryinglike they were singing.
And it really, they reallylike, and I heard this thing.
(10:10):
It's like, that's what I want you to do.
I want you to do that.
And I was like, oh my God.
Then I really dug into tryingto be, an en I was already an
entertainer, but like a front guy.
And then that's when I starteddoing solo stuff, getting a
band and doing my own thing.
And figuring that out.
But that's how that transition.
And I never was, I hated my voice.
(10:33):
I never liked it.
It was, it was horrible.
Cliff.
Horrible.
And it took a lot, a lot, a lot ofyears and a lot of, a lot of work.
I, I was always the guy that.
Anything I did in my life, I had towork 10 times harder than anybody else.
Nothing came easy for me.
It may have looked like it did, butnothing really came easy for me.
(10:53):
Right.
Nothing.
I mean, I had talent, in, in someways, but I worked my butt off for, a
lot and got lucky on certain things,So, yeah, singing was one of those.
Cliff Duvernois (11:08):
I do wanna make sure that we talk about this because
it wasn't just all of a sudden, youknow, you're turning 18 and, and
your music career is taking off.
You actually had a few interesting jobs.
Along the way to support yourself.
So talk to us about the decision tojust to get a job to support you.
Nate Barnes (11:28):
Well, there's a lot that, that kind of happened
throughout that time, but the mainthing is, is I had a buddy that
told me, a dear friend of mine that.
He would tell me, he is like, Nate,you always gotta go after dreams.
And like we were talking about beforethis, uh, we started, I got really lucky
being around the people, the men andwomen I got to be around growing up.
(11:49):
They saw life in a waythat I needed to hear it.
Like they, they saw it insuch a bigger way, right?
Than I could even think about.
And they really stretched me in a senseof, going after, these just crazy dreams.
But they were, they were.
They weren't just, they would show me.
They wouldn't tell me.
And so with that, he, he, hetold me one time he sat me down.
(12:11):
He is like, I know you want to golive your dream, and that's important.
You have to do that.
But you need to learn howto make a living first.
He says, if you don't know how todo that, and I want, and you need
to not only make a living, youneed to be the best at what you do.
Yes.
Making a living andgive everything you got.
And where you're so valuable.
(12:33):
If you leave, it's, it's not a good thing.
Learn how to do that and make a big lifein that first, and of course, be working
on your dream and, but until you reallygo, and I was so glad that he did that.
He said that, 'cause that's, I did thatright and I knew what he meant afterwards.
It was like, he show me what yougot here because if you can't even
(12:54):
do this, Not saying that this isn'tnothing, but if you can't do this,
what's what it's gonna take to do this?
You ain't gonna have itin here or in here, right?
There's a lot of things you need to learnhere first before you go do this fairytale
thing I, I took that serious and I did.
So I, I, I, uh, I startedworking at nuclear power plants.
(13:16):
I, I got, I was a trades guy.
I got in the unions.
and then, uh, for over a decade, I workedin nuclear power plants and did all I mean
there, nuclear power plants, coal plants.
I mean, I did so manydifferent crazy, amazing jobs.
And then I ended up workingat a, uh, the Palisades.
Nuclear power plant here in culvert.
That's just now opening up, thank God.
(13:39):
I worked at the mechanical maintenancedepartment there and, uh, and I loved it.
I loved, I, I loved workingat that power plant so much.
It taught me so much.
I got to do so much It gaveme a really great life.
Yeah.
It was really good to my family.
My stepfather, worked there for 45 years.
(14:00):
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
and so it was a big part of our family.
Mm-hmm.
I actually got to work with them handin hand, uh, in the same department.
which was a huge honor, areally big honor for me.
It led me to that and then toled me to this, you know, kind of
God moment of going to Nashville.
And during that time I'm gigging too.
I'm, I'm working, this is not a job.
(14:22):
It's a real career.
worked my butt off fora lot of years for that.
But, outside I would,I would be gigging too.
I'd be.
Hustle and gigging doing everything.
I good.
Yes.
so yeah, and then it led me to, uh, thisopportunity to Nashville to leave it all.
And, and I did.
But,
Cliff Duvernois (14:40):
For our audience, we're gonna take a quick break and
take our sponsors when we come back.
we're gonna continue our conversationwith, uh, Nate Barnes, and we're gonna
dive a lot more into his, uh, new albumHolding You, available and all the
major platforms that are out there.
So make sure to check that out.
But yeah, we'll see you after the break.
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Hello everyone, and welcome back toTotal Michigan, where we interview
(15:21):
ordinary Michiganders doing somepretty extraordinary things.
I'm your host Cliff DuVernois.
Today we're talking with country musicsinger Nate Barnes, and the release of
his album Holding You and, uh, Nate.
What I'd like to do is, I wouldlike to talk about that moment that
came to you when you were like,holy cow, I can actually do this.
Nate Barnes (15:40):
I was, just getting out of a relationship with the gal and, uh, at that
time I saw my whole life, I, I knew whatmy whole life was gonna be and I didn't
think music was gonna be a part of that.
It was gonna be a power plant family.
Oh, okay.
This.
I was very committed to that.
I was like, this is where God has me.
This is what's supposed tobe I'll, I'm gonna do that.
(16:03):
well that didn't work out.
And I'm sitting in the house isthe empty house and, uh, all alone.
And I was, I was sitting inthis chair and I was like, well,
God, I did what you asked me.
I saw that whole thing through.
I thought that's what it was.
I gave up this whole other dream.
(16:24):
Now what?
And I was like, what doyou want me to do now?
And this thing, I've never had it likethis before, but it was like, and I
was there all alone and it was like, Iheard this voice and, I swear to God I
heard this like voice deep inside of me.
He was like, Nate.
You can't run anymore.
I called you to do this.
(16:46):
You're the one that's been running andit was like, you can't hide anymore.
It's time.
And I was like, well,
Cliff Duvernois (16:53):
I got goosebumps.
What?
Nate Barnes (16:57):
And it was clear.
And I was like, in, it was, you was right.
You was right.
I was running from it.
I did not all the way do it.
And I was like, okay.
I'm gonna give everything I got.
It's time.
And then from that day on, literallyfrom that day on, every single day,
people would call me, that people thatI didn't talk to for 10 years would
(17:17):
call me Nate, I'm thinking about you.
You need to go call this person.
All these doors would openyes and every day, every day.
And it wouldn't stop.
And it kept getting crazierand crazier to all the way to,
A record deal in Nashville.
And then it, you know, led meto, to Nashville for a stay.
(17:38):
And that's when I met, peoplethat, that gave me a record deal.
And it was like, oh my God.
And it just would not stop.
And it was like, so I gottaleave the power plant.
I gotta leave this.
I gotta move in.
I moved into a hotel roomfor a year and a half.
Yeah.
With me and my dog.
So that's, see that rightthere is a country song.
Cliff Duvernois (17:58):
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
So that's, that's how, okay.
Oh man, I wish we had more time.
There's so much there to unpacka little Yeah, but I, I know.
So what I wanna do is, so let'stalk about that breakout song.
I.
Right.
The one that really made Nate Barnes.
Nate Barnes.
Right.
And it's, you ain't pretty.
You ain't pretty.
Nate Barnes (18:15):
Yeah.
Cliff Duvernois (18:16):
Yes.
Which by the way, for ouraudience, please go to YouTube.
Check it out.
Nate Barnes (18:19):
Please check it out.
Cliff Duvernois (18:20):
Please check it out.
'cause it's, it's a greatsong and it's a great video.
But Nate, talk to us about that.
Nate Barnes (18:24):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was my first ever single, toradio and, first song that I, I,
I, uh, came out with my producers,Mickey, Jack Cos and Derek George
and my, team back in Nashville.
And we got to top 40 on theBillboard country charts.
The, the, oh yeah.
Let, let alone just being on thebillboard charts, was insane.
(18:45):
Or being on the radio wasinsane, Coming from just leaving
a power plant in my life.
and that, yeah, that songreally changed my life.
And, you know, the writers, JasonSellers and Jimmy Yie, big name writers
on there that, You know, we just wantto write a positive song for women.
And a positive messagefor people out there.
It just, it just reallychanged my life forever.
(19:08):
Yeah.
It's pretty cool.
Crazy.
Never would've thought.
I mean, you know, you do stuff,but it's still like, holy
crap, this is actually working.
Keep going.
You know?
Exactly.
Keep going.
Cliff Duvernois (19:18):
So now you're at the point where your
first album is dropping Yes.
Holding You.
Yep.
the song Holding You, thedebut song from the album.
Where did that come from?
did you write that?
Where did the ideas come from?
Nate Barnes (19:30):
I wrote that with Buddy, uh, Jason, Massey and, and, uh, Sarah Hayes.
At that time, I kept having theseweird dreams of my granddad's hands.
I would wake up with images of my,and he had these like really massive,
just manly hands and, You could tella lot about a person by looking at.
(19:52):
The, their hands, you know?
Yes.
he, they tell a lot of stories,you know, about who they are.
Anyway, so we're sitting there andwe're just like, I really want to share
that story about my granddad's hands.
And then we're like, you know what?
let's do something better.
Let's talk about a man that, really,that really, uh, could fix anything
in the world, but he can't fixthis, this broken relationship.
(20:16):
Yes.
How can this guy that can doanything, he can build anything,
break anything, do whatever.
But he can't, heal this relationship.
He can't save this girl.
it's like it's worthless.
So it's, what's the point?
So.
And that's how we wrote that song.
It's, it's one of my favoritesongs I ever wrote, in my
whole life, in the production,everything, it just, it's turned
(20:36):
out everything I could ever imagine.
I'm really proud of that, this songand, and, I can't wait to see what,
how people are, are gonna love it.
Cliff Duvernois (20:44):
when you're recording it, because now there's
a very personal element, right?
'cause you're talking aboutyour grandfather's hands.
Nate Barnes (20:48):
Yeah.
Cliff Duvernois (20:49):
So you write the song, you go in and you record it Uhhuh.
Right?
how does it feel knowing thatthe song is so personal to you?
Nate Barnes (20:57):
It always, it just feels good.
It feels good.
You know, a lot, a lot of times you,you write songs sometimes, you can be
selfish and you write 'em for yourself.
And then a lot of times, or at leastyou try to put yourself or who you
are in those songs, It feels good to,to see somebody else connect to it.
I think that's, that's really amazingto see somebody and to see how they
(21:20):
connect to it in their own way.
It, it's just, uh, growing up I didn'tknow how to this, that's kind of weird
thing to talk about, but I didn'tknow how to communicate with people.
I was really bad at talking with people.
I didn't know how to connect with people.
The only way I found how toreally connect with people was,
telling my story through songs.
And then telling my experience, tellingmy life journey and seeing if other
(21:43):
people can understand that right.
And then when they do,it's just like, ugh.
It, it's, it does, it's, it's a verypersonal thing and it feels good
Cliff Duvernois (21:52):
How much your life in skilled trades has now had an
influence on the music that you write.
Nate Barnes (21:59):
Oh, a lot, a lot I would, I would say, being in the trades and
stuff I got to experience, in tho thatline of work really just taught me more
about the being a, a honest person,honest individual, and having integrity
of what you do and being re and being,and going and going the extra mile.
(22:20):
And that's kind of how I lookat the music and writing music,
taking the time to really doesthis, do I really believe this?
Do I really believe this?
Oh, that's cool.
And if I don't really believethis, how the hell is somebody
else gonna believe it?
Yes.
So that's, that's where I start withand, and be because of, the line of
work I used to do that you, You hadto be fully, you had to be a hundred
(22:44):
percent in, or you can get yourself introuble, hurt or somebody else in hurt
or possibly killed if you ain't in allthe way and if you ain't paying attention
and if you ain't doing the right thing.
I gotta believe it.
I gotta feel it.
And that's what I want.
I want people to feel something,feel something real, and
that's how I, I look at music.
(23:04):
When I listen to music.
I listen to it and immediately knowif I, I love it or not immediately.
I know that's like, I believe it.
I buy it.
I know exactly.
I feel every word you're saying.
I've either lived it orI can, I can, I get it.
So that's what I like
Cliff Duvernois (23:23):
When you say I lived it, I was thinking that this right here
has gotta be a beautiful way for youto really connect with your audience,
because like you said before, this issomething that you've had to work for.
Nate Barnes (23:34):
Yeah.
Cliff Duvernois (23:34):
Right.
And you, you didn't start off as a singer.
You had to like, you hadto earn your chops Right.
To get there.
Yeah.
And to develop your voice inthe meantime with you working.
You're just like, you'rejust like the audience.
A lot of these, people that comeout and see you are working nine
to five jobs, they're working 12hours a day, swinging hammers.
So you're on stage.
You know what that's like.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
You weren't discovered as a prodigy whenyou were six years old and started singing
(23:57):
and all of a sudden you're on stage.
So that's gotta give you abeautiful way to really be able to
connect with your audience to say.
I know what you're going through.
Yeah, I know what youexperience every day.
Nate Barnes (24:07):
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm just a normal, regularold dude, you know?
Oh, I doubt that highly.
And, and, and, uh,
and just got lucky and, or I was, youknow, I just got blessed with the, just
a, a great thing to go do in my lifethat I've been, dreaming about, but.
I got to live a lot of real life.
I got to experience a lot of things inmy life and, yes, it does feel good.
(24:31):
because it is just like you get,you see what you get, ain't nothing,
ain't no, smoke and mirrors.
It's like I don't know how tobe any, anything else but me.
which is makes it easier forme because I don't gotta lie.
I don't gotta lie about nothing, right?
It's, it's just, it's me.
I'm singing the songs.
I love to sing.
I'm being real.
And, and now I get to share musicwith the people that, you know,
(24:54):
that, kind of made me, you know.
So hell yeah.
Cliff Duvernois (24:58):
Nate, if somebody is listening to this and they
want to check you out Yeah.
Which you should by the way.
Um, they wanna check you out.
They wanna listen to your music,they want to get your album.
Where's the best place for them to go?
I.
Nate Barnes (25:09):
Go, uh, anywhere online.
Uh, check out my website, myInstagram, Nate Barnes music
and, uh, TikTok, Facebook.
And then anywhere that you stream music,check, check out Nate Barnes, music my
album Holding You is out and, uh, it's,I've been working for two and a half
years on this album, so it's a big deal.
(25:29):
Big deal for me, and Ihope you guys love it.
Awesome.
Cliff Duvernois (25:33):
Yes, definitely make sure that you take the
time to check out the album.
Nate.
Man, I wish we, I wish we had more time.
I know, me too, Nate.
it's been wonderfulhaving you on the show.
We'll have to have you back again.
Yeah.
But, thanks for coming on today.
Nate Barnes (25:46):
Thank you, Cliff.
Thanks for having me.
Cliff Duvernois (25:48):
And for our audience, you can roll on over to Total Michigan.com
and click on Nate's interview and getall the links that he mentioned above.
We'll catch you next time when wetalk to another Michigander, doing
some pretty extraordinary things.
We'll see you then.
We got to top 40 on the Billboard country charts.
The, the, oh yeah.
Let, let alone just being on thebillboard charts, was insane.
Or being on the radio wasinsane, Coming from just leaving
a power plant in my life.
and that, yeah, that songreally changed my life.
We just want to write apositive song for women.
(00:20):
And a positive messagefor people out there.
It just, it just reallychanged my life forever.
Cliff Duvernois (00:27):
Hello everyone and welcome back to Total Michigan, where
we interview ordinary Michigandersdoing extraordinary things.
I'm your host Cliff DuVernois.
Country music is kind of a thing.
And I have to say, it's awesome thatMichigan seems to be the birthplace of
some really talented people that arecoming up in the country music industry.
(00:48):
And with that being said, uh,we're talking to one of those
artists today whose album.
It's just dropped, and that wouldbe Holding You and you should
definitely go and check it out.
It's definitely worth the ear timethat you would spend on it, but
the, uh, the artist, the singer,the composer, the entertainer for
this is a gentleman by the name ofNate Barnes, and he's with us today.
(01:09):
Nate, how are you?
I'm good.
Good, Cliff.
How are you?
I'm doing awesome.
Thank you for asking.
So why don't you tell us alittle bit about where you're
from and where did you grow up?
Nate Barnes (01:19):
Yeah, well, uh, we're here pretty much, uh, where I'm from.
I'm from South Haven, Michigan.
Grew, grew up here my whole life.
small town, guy, country, dude,just, you know, big family kind
of was in music my whole life.
kind of led me, there's so much in, withinfrom when I was a kid to where I'm at,
to now, but it all really led me to thismoment in my life and this album that
(01:42):
just came out singing country music.
So, which is exciting.
So thanks for having me.
Appreciate it.
Cliff Duvernois (01:48):
So you said you're, you're from, the South Haven area?
Yeah.
At what point.
Did you actually getexposed to country music?
Nate Barnes (01:58):
Country music?
my whole life was, I hadcountry music in my life.
blues.
I grew up, blues, a lot of blues,Motown, all sorts of music.
I got exposed to so much musicbut country to, to be honest.
And, and it never really hit,Me until I, I was an adult,
until I was, I was 21 years old.
is when I knew I wantedto do country music.
(02:23):
I, I knew, I, I, without a doubt, I hadto be a part of country music in some way.
and, but prior to that, I mean,I was in rock bands, death metal
bands, blues bands, everythingyou can think of, punk bands.
As a drummer, I.
Oh, wow, okay.
as a drummer for my whole life.
something kept leading me tokeep writing music on the side
(02:46):
and doing this other thing.
And, and, and when I was 21, it waslike, that's, I, it's, I found it.
It was like, I've been, I've beenmissing, this is what I've been
missing my whole life, right?
This is who I really am.
my buddy, Dennis Hartman, and we're.
This is my, this is where Istay at, and this is his barn.
And he came into my life and hereintroduced country music to me.
(03:09):
And when he did that, and it was duringa time of my life that I was searching
a deeper meaning of, of God in my life.
Deeper meaning of who I am as aman what I really want outta life.
And then he, hereintroduced country music.
And it was like.
Prior to that I wasrunning from the truth.
(03:31):
And then when I got tothat age, I was seeking it.
Yeah.
And then country music is likeit, all it does is tell the truth.
You know?
And that's what I think I had a troublewith connecting with country music before.
'cause I didn't want to feel those.
I didn't want to.
I didn't want to feel that.
'cause I was trying to, Ididn't want to go there yet.
(03:52):
Right.
I wasn't ready.
That's when country musiccame into my life for real.
Cliff Duvernois (03:57):
So you said you were a drummer in a number of bands.
So is your family, is it like musicians?
Did you
Nate Barnes (04:03):
Yeah, yeah.
We, you know, we were all like singers.
Like growing up with my family was,was really, amazing in a lot of ways.
one was music.
Is what brought us together.
Music and food and gatherings.
But music was such a big deal for us.
my grandma would play piano all the timeand we would go around a piano and sing
(04:26):
and a lot of singers, a lot of peoplein the marching band, stuff like that.
And no one knew that I wasgonna be the kid that really.
Took it over.
Right.
You know, really, you know, I was, myfirst band was in like fifth grade.
I was in, I was gigging bythe time I was 12 years old.
Oh, nice.
Like in bars by the time I was like14, playing in bars and in venues.
(04:50):
And
Cliff Duvernois (04:50):
Did you have to convince anyone that you were 18 or anything?
Nate Barnes (04:53):
Yeah, I, I was a great liar.
Yeah.
But then my mom would come, my mom would,my mom would drop me off these places
and hey, I'm, he can be in here and.
Oh, that's hilarious.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you really got, it was everythingbit by the, the stage bug.
It was everything.
Like early, well here too, alot of people don't know, like
Southwest Michigan, during that timegrowing up, we all were musicians.
(05:19):
The who I, when I grew up, there wereso many incredible singers and musicians
and artists and people and bands.
We, everybody was in a band.
A lot of us were.
And so it was, uh, very common to,not only in your home life, but
like in your school life was, Hey,after practice, let's get to my
(05:40):
house and let's start rehearsing.
Let's start thinking about thebiggest dreams that we have as a band.
You know?
Yeah.
It was like, it was very normal.
Very normal.
And it was in very incrediblemusicians around around me that
really inspired me to really,grab a hold of wanting to do this.
It was just, it was, to me,it was like a mini Nashville.
(06:03):
Like young kids setting up gigsat, at a venue, right, until
one in the morning playing.
As teenagers.
It's pretty odd, and, but a lot ofus doing it and, uh, doing it good.
I mean, there was some, some incredibleguys, so it was pretty easy for me.
(06:23):
But I, I knew even before that, like whenI was a kid, My granddad who passed away,
he grew up with a guy named BB King.
Yeah.
In Tupelo, and, well, as he grew up,my granddad in Tupelo, Mississippi.
Him and BB uh, became reallygood childhood friends.
Cliff Duvernois (06:39):
Oh, cool.
Nate Barnes (06:40):
And they grew up together.
Anyways, he was, uh, a kind of apart of our family, and we were
had a lot of ties to him as well.
My granddad knew a lot about music.
Knew, and he was very, veryknowledgeable about it.
And his life was insane.
My granddad was an incredible man.
But his, the life he lived wasbizarre and, and very, very wild.
(07:04):
And he would sit with uskids and tell stories.
And the way he told stories, itwas the best storyteller I ever
met in my life, When he would dothat, he would always have records
on and, and, and listen to music.
That as a kid, I was areally, really young guy.
I knew right then that Iwanted to tell stories.
I wanted to be involved in music.
(07:25):
I knew that, and as a young age,right, because I wanted to tell
stories like my granddad, he was,and touch people's lives in that way.
I just knew.
I just knew that.
But he breathed thatand he never sat down.
Nate, I want you toplay the guitar, right?
I want you to go play drums.
He just, the way he told stories andhow he did it, the conviction and the
(07:48):
life he lived really touched, me, myheart, and, as a really small kid.
And then from then on it was just, youdidn't, nobody needed to do anything.
I just did it.
IFI found whatever it tookto get instruments, whatever
it took, it didn't matter.
Whatever it took to goplay somewhere, perform.
I, I, I was gonna figure it out.
We were gonna, and, uh, it was just thisburning desire to, to wanna do this.
(08:12):
Right.
Cliff Duvernois (08:12):
You started off on the drums.
Yeah.
So talk to us about that transitionthere, because like with the drums
and stuff, you can kind of hideyourself a little bit in the back.
But now you're up front.
Spotlight's on you.
So how did you make that transition?
Or when did you realize, you knowwhat, I actually have a set of pipes.
I can sing.
Nate Barnes (08:29):
I never thought I had a set of pipes and I could sing.
Never did.
I never did.
In fact, like it, I mean, Igrew, I played, I started playing
piano, started playing guitar.
but my, I really was a drummer.
I really, that's what I was gonna,
Cliff Duvernois (08:43):
in your heart, you're a drummer.
Nate Barnes (08:44):
I was gonna hang my hat in my future on being a
drummer, and all I wanted to do wasbe the best musician in the world.
Yeah.
Or the best musician Icould be backing somebody.
Banking is superstar, right?
That's all I wanted.
Give, and I didn't wanna be up there.
I wanted to be back here doingmy thing in the background.
(09:05):
Now if you talk to other people,I, you know, I loved attention.
I was always wanting attention.
But that transition was really,um, around middle school.
When I was in middle school,in the, late middle school, I.
because I, I was, I wouldwrite songs on tape recorders.
Oh, cool.
I would write songs on taperecorders and, and it was terrible.
(09:26):
I couldn't sing.
I tried to sing like Johnny Lane.
I don't know if you know whothe old b old, uh, blues guy.
I tried to sing likeeverybody behind closed doors.
But it was like, man, I can't, I.
I can't sing good.
Right.
And I can't write songs good.
But I like it, so I'll keep trying it.
And I was at church one day becauseI used to play in a lot of churches
(09:47):
and youth groups and stuff.
I, I wasn't playing that day.
I was in the, Uh, watching theservice and something told me,
it was like deep in my, my heart.
Yeah.
I was like, Nate, and it's, it was like,Nate, you need to, you need to sing.
There, there were peoplewere singing up there.
And I just started cryinglike they were singing.
And it really, they reallylike, and I heard this thing.
(10:10):
It's like, that's what I want you to do.
I want you to do that.
And I was like, oh my God.
Then I really dug into tryingto be, an en I was already an
entertainer, but like a front guy.
And then that's when I starteddoing solo stuff, getting a
band and doing my own thing.
And figuring that out.
But that's how that transition.
And I never was, I hated my voice.
(10:33):
I never liked it.
It was, it was horrible.
Cliff.
Horrible.
And it took a lot, a lot, a lot ofyears and a lot of, a lot of work.
I, I was always the guy that.
Anything I did in my life, I had towork 10 times harder than anybody else.
Nothing came easy for me.
It may have looked like it did, butnothing really came easy for me.
(10:53):
Right.
Nothing.
I mean, I had talent, in, in someways, but I worked my butt off for, a
lot and got lucky on certain things,So, yeah, singing was one of those.
Cliff Duvernois (11:08):
I do wanna make sure that we talk about this because
it wasn't just all of a sudden, youknow, you're turning 18 and, and
your music career is taking off.
You actually had a few interesting jobs.
Along the way to support yourself.
So talk to us about the decision tojust to get a job to support you.
Nate Barnes (11:28):
Well, there's a lot that, that kind of happened
throughout that time, but the mainthing is, is I had a buddy that
told me, a dear friend of mine that.
He would tell me, he is like, Nate,you always gotta go after dreams.
And like we were talking about beforethis, uh, we started, I got really lucky
being around the people, the men andwomen I got to be around growing up.
(11:49):
They saw life in a waythat I needed to hear it.
Like they, they saw it insuch a bigger way, right?
Than I could even think about.
And they really stretched me in a senseof, going after, these just crazy dreams.
But they were, they were.
They weren't just, they would show me.
They wouldn't tell me.
And so with that, he, he, hetold me one time he sat me down.
(12:11):
He is like, I know you want to golive your dream, and that's important.
You have to do that.
But you need to learn howto make a living first.
He says, if you don't know how todo that, and I want, and you need
to not only make a living, youneed to be the best at what you do.
Yes.
Making a living andgive everything you got.
And where you're so valuable.
(12:33):
If you leave, it's, it's not a good thing.
Learn how to do that and make a big lifein that first, and of course, be working
on your dream and, but until you reallygo, and I was so glad that he did that.
He said that, 'cause that's, I did thatright and I knew what he meant afterwards.
It was like, he show me what yougot here because if you can't even
(12:54):
do this, Not saying that this isn'tnothing, but if you can't do this,
what's what it's gonna take to do this?
You ain't gonna have itin here or in here, right?
There's a lot of things you need to learnhere first before you go do this fairytale
thing I, I took that serious and I did.
So I, I, I, uh, I startedworking at nuclear power plants.
(13:16):
I, I got, I was a trades guy.
I got in the unions.
and then, uh, for over a decade, I workedin nuclear power plants and did all I mean
there, nuclear power plants, coal plants.
I mean, I did so manydifferent crazy, amazing jobs.
And then I ended up workingat a, uh, the Palisades.
Nuclear power plant here in culvert.
That's just now opening up, thank God.
(13:39):
I worked at the mechanical maintenancedepartment there and, uh, and I loved it.
I loved, I, I loved workingat that power plant so much.
It taught me so much.
I got to do so much It gaveme a really great life.
Yeah.
It was really good to my family.
My stepfather, worked there for 45 years.
(14:00):
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
and so it was a big part of our family.
Mm-hmm.
I actually got to work with them handin hand, uh, in the same department.
which was a huge honor, areally big honor for me.
It led me to that and then toled me to this, you know, kind of
God moment of going to Nashville.
And during that time I'm gigging too.
I'm, I'm working, this is not a job.
(14:22):
It's a real career.
worked my butt off fora lot of years for that.
But, outside I would,I would be gigging too.
I'd be.
Hustle and gigging doing everything.
I good.
Yes.
so yeah, and then it led me to, uh, thisopportunity to Nashville to leave it all.
And, and I did.
But,
Cliff Duvernois (14:40):
For our audience, we're gonna take a quick break and
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dive a lot more into his, uh, new albumHolding You, available and all the
major platforms that are out there.
So make sure to check that out.
But yeah, we'll see you after the break.
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Hello everyone, and welcome back toTotal Michigan, where we interview
(15:21):
ordinary Michiganders doing somepretty extraordinary things.
I'm your host Cliff DuVernois.
Today we're talking with country musicsinger Nate Barnes, and the release of
his album Holding You and, uh, Nate.
What I'd like to do is, I wouldlike to talk about that moment that
came to you when you were like,holy cow, I can actually do this.
Nate Barnes (15:40):
I was, just getting out of a relationship with the gal and, uh, at that
time I saw my whole life, I, I knew whatmy whole life was gonna be and I didn't
think music was gonna be a part of that.
It was gonna be a power plant family.
Oh, okay.
This.
I was very committed to that.
I was like, this is where God has me.
This is what's supposed tobe I'll, I'm gonna do that.
(16:03):
well that didn't work out.
And I'm sitting in the house isthe empty house and, uh, all alone.
And I was, I was sitting inthis chair and I was like, well,
God, I did what you asked me.
I saw that whole thing through.
I thought that's what it was.
I gave up this whole other dream.
(16:24):
Now what?
And I was like, what doyou want me to do now?
And this thing, I've never had it likethis before, but it was like, and I
was there all alone and it was like, Iheard this voice and, I swear to God I
heard this like voice deep inside of me.
He was like, Nate.
You can't run anymore.
I called you to do this.
(16:46):
You're the one that's been running andit was like, you can't hide anymore.
It's time.
And I was like, well,
Cliff Duvernois (16:53):
I got goosebumps.
What?
Nate Barnes (16:57):
And it was clear.
And I was like, in, it was, you was right.
You was right.
I was running from it.
I did not all the way do it.
And I was like, okay.
I'm gonna give everything I got.
It's time.
And then from that day on, literallyfrom that day on, every single day,
people would call me, that people thatI didn't talk to for 10 years would
(17:17):
call me Nate, I'm thinking about you.
You need to go call this person.
All these doors would openyes and every day, every day.
And it wouldn't stop.
And it kept getting crazierand crazier to all the way to,
A record deal in Nashville.
And then it, you know, led meto, to Nashville for a stay.
(17:38):
And that's when I met, peoplethat, that gave me a record deal.
And it was like, oh my God.
And it just would not stop.
And it was like, so I gottaleave the power plant.
I gotta leave this.
I gotta move in.
I moved into a hotel roomfor a year and a half.
Yeah.
With me and my dog.
So that's, see that rightthere is a country song.
Cliff Duvernois (17:58):
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
So that's, that's how, okay.
Oh man, I wish we had more time.
There's so much there to unpacka little Yeah, but I, I know.
So what I wanna do is, so let'stalk about that breakout song.
I.
Right.
The one that really made Nate Barnes.
Nate Barnes.
Right.
And it's, you ain't pretty.
You ain't pretty.
Nate Barnes (18:15):
Yeah.
Cliff Duvernois (18:16):
Yes.
Which by the way, for ouraudience, please go to YouTube.
Check it out.
Nate Barnes (18:19):
Please check it out.
Cliff Duvernois (18:20):
Please check it out.
'cause it's, it's a greatsong and it's a great video.
But Nate, talk to us about that.
Nate Barnes (18:24):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was my first ever single, toradio and, first song that I, I,
I, uh, came out with my producers,Mickey, Jack Cos and Derek George
and my, team back in Nashville.
And we got to top 40 on theBillboard country charts.
The, the, oh yeah.
Let, let alone just being on thebillboard charts, was insane.
(18:45):
Or being on the radio wasinsane, Coming from just leaving
a power plant in my life.
and that, yeah, that songreally changed my life.
And, you know, the writers, JasonSellers and Jimmy Yie, big name writers
on there that, You know, we just wantto write a positive song for women.
And a positive messagefor people out there.
It just, it just reallychanged my life forever.
(19:08):
Yeah.
It's pretty cool.
Crazy.
Never would've thought.
I mean, you know, you do stuff,but it's still like, holy
crap, this is actually working.
Keep going.
You know?
Exactly.
Keep going.
Cliff Duvernois (19:18):
So now you're at the point where your
first album is dropping Yes.
Holding You.
Yep.
the song Holding You, thedebut song from the album.
Where did that come from?
did you write that?
Where did the ideas come from?
Nate Barnes (19:30):
I wrote that with Buddy, uh, Jason, Massey and, and, uh, Sarah Hayes.
At that time, I kept having theseweird dreams of my granddad's hands.
I would wake up with images of my,and he had these like really massive,
just manly hands and, You could tella lot about a person by looking at.
(19:52):
The, their hands, you know?
Yes.
he, they tell a lot of stories,you know, about who they are.
Anyway, so we're sitting there andwe're just like, I really want to share
that story about my granddad's hands.
And then we're like, you know what?
let's do something better.
Let's talk about a man that, really,that really, uh, could fix anything
in the world, but he can't fixthis, this broken relationship.
(20:16):
Yes.
How can this guy that can doanything, he can build anything,
break anything, do whatever.
But he can't, heal this relationship.
He can't save this girl.
it's like it's worthless.
So it's, what's the point?
So.
And that's how we wrote that song.
It's, it's one of my favoritesongs I ever wrote, in my
whole life, in the production,everything, it just, it's turned
(20:36):
out everything I could ever imagine.
I'm really proud of that, this songand, and, I can't wait to see what,
how people are, are gonna love it.
Cliff Duvernois (20:44):
when you're recording it, because now there's
a very personal element, right?
'cause you're talking aboutyour grandfather's hands.
Nate Barnes (20:48):
Yeah.
Cliff Duvernois (20:49):
So you write the song, you go in and you record it Uhhuh.
Right?
how does it feel knowing thatthe song is so personal to you?
Nate Barnes (20:57):
It always, it just feels good.
It feels good.
You know, a lot, a lot of times you,you write songs sometimes, you can be
selfish and you write 'em for yourself.
And then a lot of times, or at leastyou try to put yourself or who you
are in those songs, It feels good to,to see somebody else connect to it.
I think that's, that's really amazingto see somebody and to see how they
(21:20):
connect to it in their own way.
It, it's just, uh, growing up I didn'tknow how to this, that's kind of weird
thing to talk about, but I didn'tknow how to communicate with people.
I was really bad at talking with people.
I didn't know how to connect with people.
The only way I found how toreally connect with people was,
telling my story through songs.
And then telling my experience, tellingmy life journey and seeing if other
(21:43):
people can understand that right.
And then when they do,it's just like, ugh.
It, it's, it does, it's, it's a verypersonal thing and it feels good
Cliff Duvernois (21:52):
How much your life in skilled trades has now had an
influence on the music that you write.
Nate Barnes (21:59):
Oh, a lot, a lot I would, I would say, being in the trades and
stuff I got to experience, in tho thatline of work really just taught me more
about the being a, a honest person,honest individual, and having integrity
of what you do and being re and being,and going and going the extra mile.
(22:20):
And that's kind of how I lookat the music and writing music,
taking the time to really doesthis, do I really believe this?
Do I really believe this?
Oh, that's cool.
And if I don't really believethis, how the hell is somebody
else gonna believe it?
Yes.
So that's, that's where I start withand, and be because of, the line of
work I used to do that you, You hadto be fully, you had to be a hundred
(22:44):
percent in, or you can get yourself introuble, hurt or somebody else in hurt
or possibly killed if you ain't in allthe way and if you ain't paying attention
and if you ain't doing the right thing.
I gotta believe it.
I gotta feel it.
And that's what I want.
I want people to feel something,feel something real, and
that's how I, I look at music.
(23:04):
When I listen to music.
I listen to it and immediately knowif I, I love it or not immediately.
I know that's like, I believe it.
I buy it.
I know exactly.
I feel every word you're saying.
I've either lived it orI can, I can, I get it.
So that's what I like
Cliff Duvernois (23:23):
When you say I lived it, I was thinking that this right here
has gotta be a beautiful way for youto really connect with your audience,
because like you said before, this issomething that you've had to work for.
Nate Barnes (23:34):
Yeah.
Cliff Duvernois (23:34):
Right.
And you, you didn't start off as a singer.
You had to like, you hadto earn your chops Right.
To get there.
Yeah.
And to develop your voice inthe meantime with you working.
You're just like, you'rejust like the audience.
A lot of these, people that comeout and see you are working nine
to five jobs, they're working 12hours a day, swinging hammers.
So you're on stage.
You know what that's like.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
You weren't discovered as a prodigy whenyou were six years old and started singing
(23:57):
and all of a sudden you're on stage.
So that's gotta give you abeautiful way to really be able to
connect with your audience to say.
I know what you're going through.
Yeah, I know what youexperience every day.
Nate Barnes (24:07):
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm just a normal, regularold dude, you know?
Oh, I doubt that highly.
And, and, and, uh,
and just got lucky and, or I was, youknow, I just got blessed with the, just
a, a great thing to go do in my lifethat I've been, dreaming about, but.
I got to live a lot of real life.
I got to experience a lot of things inmy life and, yes, it does feel good.
(24:31):
because it is just like you get,you see what you get, ain't nothing,
ain't no, smoke and mirrors.
It's like I don't know how tobe any, anything else but me.
which is makes it easier forme because I don't gotta lie.
I don't gotta lie about nothing, right?
It's, it's just, it's me.
I'm singing the songs.
I love to sing.
I'm being real.
And, and now I get to share musicwith the people that, you know,
(24:54):
that, kind of made me, you know.
So hell yeah.
Cliff Duvernois (24:58):
Nate, if somebody is listening to this and they
want to check you out Yeah.
Which you should by the way.
Um, they wanna check you out.
They wanna listen to your music,they want to get your album.
Where's the best place for them to go?
I.
Nate Barnes (25:09):
Go, uh, anywhere online.
Uh, check out my website, myInstagram, Nate Barnes music
and, uh, TikTok, Facebook.
And then anywhere that you stream music,check, check out Nate Barnes, music my
album Holding You is out and, uh, it's,I've been working for two and a half
years on this album, so it's a big deal.
(25:29):
Big deal for me, and Ihope you guys love it.
Awesome.
Cliff Duvernois (25:33):
Yes, definitely make sure that you take the
time to check out the album.
Nate.
Man, I wish we, I wish we had more time.
I know, me too, Nate.
it's been wonderfulhaving you on the show.
We'll have to have you back again.
Yeah.
But, thanks for coming on today.
Nate Barnes (25:46):
Thank you, Cliff.
Thanks for having me.
Cliff Duvernois (25:48):
And for our audience, you can roll on over to Total Michigan.com
and click on Nate's interview and getall the links that he mentioned above.
We'll catch you next time when wetalk to another Michigander, doing
some pretty extraordinary things.
We'll see you then.
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