Episode 106: Baalke In, Patience Out. - Shad Khan Commits to Mediocrity

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Is it time for the Jaguars to shake things up at the top? On this episode of the Touchdown Jaguars podcast, we return from our break to dissect the highs and lows of a tumultuous season for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Phil Smith and James Johnson are here to break down the final game against the Indianapolis Colts, spotlighting standout rookie receiver Brian Thomas Jr. and the defense's struggle against Jonathan Taylor. The cornerback concerns with Tyson Campbell and Monteric Brown are on the table, as well as the strategic alterations needed for future divisional matchups.

Reflecting on a 4-13 season marred by narrow defeats, we ponder the alternate reality of a winning record and discuss why the team opted against a total reset. Leadership decisions come under scrutiny, with Shad Khan's choice to part ways with head coach Doug Pederson while retaining GM Trent Baalke stirring controversy and fan frustration.

The coaching carousel is spinning, and the Jaguars are in the thick of it. We examine the challenges of the current coaching search, from the impact of management controversies to the allure of seasoned coaches like Pete Carroll and Mike Vrabel. We speculate on high-profile names like Mike Tomlin and how they could reshape the franchise's future. Join us as we unpack these complex dynamics, evaluate leadership potentials, and consider what's next for the Jaguars and their devoted fan base.

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Speaker 1 (00:24):
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(01:08):
Hey, everyone, welcome back tothe Touchdown Jaguars podcast.
I am your co-host, phil Smith,and joining me, as always, is
your other co-host, jamesJohnson.
And Jay, we are back after avery long hiatus, about a month
actually since our last episode,unfortunately.

(01:29):
You guys are certainly veryaware with how difficult the
season has been, not only asfans, but also just trying to
cover the team and keep up withthe nonsense and and we have
even more nonsense to talk abouthere in this episode, jay.
So I am happy to be back herewith you once again after being

(01:50):
away for so long, but we'll talkabout the future of the team as
well as kind of reflect on theseason and you know what?
Just try to have the best timepossible here today.
So, jay, jay, how are you?
Happy New Year and, man, do wehave a lot to talk about.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, I guess that's the good thing.
We got a lot to talk about,which some of which already has
been discussed.
Shout out to everybody thatjoins, join me and Stodge on the
TVJet or spaces.
But, yeah, for those of you whodidn't have time to come in on
the space, yeah, me and Phil aregoing to rehash everything here
and share our frustrations,probably and you know our

(02:35):
outlook too, of course that's akey part of the moves made this
week.
So, yeah, man, glad to be back.
I mean week.
So, yeah, man, glad to be back.
I mean, it is alwaysinteresting to see what we both
have to say right after, like,we've been away from the mic for
a while.
So, yeah, I'm real curiousabout your thoughts, some of

(02:55):
which I already know.
But yeah, man, I can't wait toget into it.
And yeah, look into the Jagsfuture, as they will be going
into a new era here not too soonfrom now.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, let's just go ahead and dive right into it,
and it's not prolonging anylonger.
We will just mention reallyquick.
You can find everything youneed in terms of following the
podcast in the Linktree link inthe show notes of this episode,
as well as a link to our website, touchdownjaguarscom.
But, jay, let's start with, Iguess, the football on the field
.
You know the Jaguars did playtheir final game of the year in

(03:31):
Indianapolis and you know, under, I think, regular circumstances
in terms of just being afootball fan, you know it ended
up being a competitive game andwe did get free football, with
the Jaguars ultimately fallingto the Indianapolis Colts 26 to
23 in overtime.
I had this game on, you know, inthe background as I was doing

(03:53):
other things throughout the day.
I know you got to get a littlebit more of a look at it, I
believe here today.
I put this tweet out I think aweek or so ago and, even though
the season was miserable andborderline unwatchable, the fact
that we got to watch a historicseason from Brian Thomas Jr has

(04:15):
been obviously the highlightand you know he added seven more
catches for 103 yards, Ibelieve solidified leading
rookie receivers in receivingyards for the season and I know
for sure, no matter how I feelabout the team right now, I will
definitely be excited aboutwatching more BTJ in 2025.

(04:37):
But other than that, jay, therewasn't too much that really
stood out for me.
Once again, you have a morefresh perspective on the game,
so I am interested to see whatyou saw out there in terms of
maybe some bright spots, maybesome efforts, whether it be
solid effort or lack thereof.
So what did you want to pointout from this final game of the

(05:00):
year up in Indy before weobviously start discussing?
You know the real meat andpotatoes of what this episode is
going to be about?

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, I mean, I think like what ultimately this game
came down to was just theyweren't able to really stop
Jonathan Taylor man, like it wasjust too many runs where he was
getting five, six, seven yardson the field man.
So you know, that'll bedefinitely something to look at
next year, especially when youknow it's been a lot of

(05:32):
conversation about what we addedin the interior and Mason Smith
or the lack of him playing.
So, yeah, it'll be aninteresting thing to watch going
into next season, just because,again, jonathan Taylor is
somebody we're going to have tosee twice a year.
He's not going anywhere anytimesoon.
And not only that.

(05:53):
You know you would think, likethe Titans, they're going to be
looking to get a youngquarterback soon, so they
probably are going to want torun the ball to help him as well
too.
So that could be a point ofexposure for the Jacksonville
Jaguars Also.
They just didn't do all thatgreat with stopping Josh Downs.
He had just under 100 yards.

(06:14):
He had a few yardage after thecatch situations.
If I can recall correctly, alecPierce had himself only two
catches, but they were two verysignificant ones.
Michael Pittman looked prettysolid on the day two had just
over 70 yards as well.
I think one thing that came tomy attention is just the, when

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it comes to those receivers, ishow much a need of a need we
have a cornerback, despitepaying Tyson Campbell so much,
who he hasn't lived up to thatcontract.
I know he just got it this yearbut between injuries and when
he is on the field he hasn'tlived up to that contract.
Monteric Brown, who is somebodyI thought was promising heading

(06:58):
into this year, it's clear thatyou don't want him starting too
many games and, of course,they've gotten to that point
where he's had to start in a lotof games because of injuries
and, you know, because theybenched the corner that's
escaping my mind right now thatwe got out of free agency.
They benched him.
So, yeah, all of that said likecornerback man is, it's looking

(07:23):
like that whole secondary isgonna have to pick up some new
pieces heading into theoffseason and just as well as
that, uh, interior defensiveline.
But in terms of on offense, uh,some of the things that you know
stood out to me, of course, asyou mentioned, uh, brian Thomas
Jr, he had a touchdown takenaway from him.

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I wish doug would havechallenged it so he could have
hit randy moss's, eclipse randymoss's record, but you know
that's neither here or neitherthere.
The run game to me didn't lookbad at times, um a lot of times,
when etn and bigsby werereceiving, uh, their carries, it
felt like they were gettingfour yards a pop, even though

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the stats would say differently.
But they both got double-digitcarries.
So that makes sense because MacJones is obviously on the field
, so you don't want him droppingback to throw it too much,
obviously.
But aside from that man, noother standouts, aside from btj.
Really well, brenton strange, hewas one.

(08:26):
He continues to show promiseright, uh, week after week.
That's a guy that we'll belooking at heading forward.
A lot of people have associatedhim with maybe getting rid of
evan ingram.
I wouldn't go that far with it.
Me personally, you know, Idon't think there's anything
wrong with having two good tightends or three good tight ends.
So I'm not really entertainingthat conversation of getting rid

(08:49):
of Evan Ingram, but I do thinkhis development Brenton
Strange's development has reallyshown up.
He had four catches for 60 yardsand he's a guy that you know.
When we first got him peoplewere like I don't know about
that pick Right and they wantedto write him off after the first
season and here he is, year two.
He's made a drastic improvementin his play, has shown drastic

(09:13):
ability or or has improved interms of his ability as a
receiver kind of like he's inthat mold of Parker Washington
as well as a pass catcher thatgot a lot better um in his
second year.
So, yeah, man, those are twopieces him and parker washington
that we have to look forward toalongside btj, so maybe the

(09:34):
pass game could be promising,whoever the coach is.
Um and uh.
Yeah, that was pretty much itthat stood out to me yeah, and a
lot of that.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
As far as bretton strange like wasn't his fault.
It was just the issue thatremember, going into that draft,
we you, me and everybody elsehad them taking tight end x or
tight end y, you know, at somepoint in the later rounds and
bretton strange wasn't onanybody's radar.
He also had a pretty likeunderwhelming tape in terms of

(10:05):
highlight reels, right Likethat's what people are looking
for.
They're looking for those bigplay catch.
They're looking for thatspectacular movement when it
comes to like a tight end toreally wow you and Brent and
Strange doesn't really have thatas far as I can remember.
So I think that's why peoplepanicked, and myself included,
like I didn't know anythingabout brenton strange.
But yeah, his uh leap from yearone to year two has been solid,

(10:27):
very similar to I won't saylike totally similar to tank
bigsby.
Obviously he had a pretty solidyear in terms of year one to
year two.
Obviously tank still has towork on that ball security, but
there would be no benefit togetting rid of evan ingram in
favor of breton Strange.
Like you said, you know youlook at a lot of these
successful franchises.

(10:48):
They have multiple tight endsthat can catch the ball.
Bretton Strange does not need tobe a number one right away.
Evan Ingram is still going tobe that guy and you know, in
terms of his leadership, Idefinitely don't think you can
just move on from that, becauseBrett and strange had a couple
of above average games based offof his his past play.

(11:09):
So but yeah, you know, joshHeinz Allen didn't suit up.
Obviously, a lot of the otherbig names are banged up, so we
didn't see too much in terms ofthe stars of the team.
Trayvon Walker did solidify hissecond straight 10 sack season,
so 10 and a half for him on theyear.
I guess I'll just ask you thisJ Mac Jones, you kind of

(11:31):
answered this question a littlebit earlier in the season
because I don't think we alsodiscussed this.
I don't think he's going tohave like a ton of suitors.
Do you keep him around and, youknow, just kind of lock him in
as your you know, your long-termbackup quarterback yeah, I mean
I, I honestly would be okaywith it and interested to see if
they do do it.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
As you said.
You know, I don't think he'sgonna have a lot of suitors, but
just the energy he brings.
You know, because, like, one ofthe things we keep talking
about is culture, right whichwe'll get into that conversation
some more later in this podcastis culture, culture, culture,
right.
Well, you have a kid that wantsto be here, right, while he's
not the best quarterback, he'sshown enough ability to get you

(12:14):
through.
If you're in a bind where youneed him to start one or two
games, obviously you don't wanthim starting the amount of games
that he started this year.
But you know, in a role wherehe's coming in one or two games,
you know he can get you throughthat storm, he can weather you
through that storm.
But just going back to what Iwas saying, you know you have a
kid that clearly likes to behere.
He plays with energy andpassion.

(12:35):
I mean the completions don'tmatch it sometimes.
But you know, and somethingelse to consider with him to
feel is what if the new coachand we'll have this conversation
later to you know, andsomething else to consider with
him to feel is, what if the newcoach and we'll have this
conversation later to you knowwho could that be, but what if
the new coach can elevate him tobecome a better player?
So you know, if, if the newcoach sees potential in him and

(12:58):
sees where they can make him abetter player, he can make a
leap, like we've kind ofmentioned with some of these
players like Brenton Strange andParker Washington.
If the coach that we hire cansee that and have some kind of
vision for him, I definitelythink that you bring him back.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah, and what have we also said before in the past?
Quarterbacks with actual gameexperience aren't just growing
on trees, right?
You're not just going toreplace Mac Jones and his
experience in the league as astarter just anywhere, right?
So I think it makes a lot ofsense to bring him back.
He had a lot of.
He had a few solid connectionswith BTJ as well over the last

(13:40):
few games, so definitely want tokeep a guy all around also that
has the chemistry with some ofthe you know some of the guys on
the team, especially the onesthat are going to be here for
the long term.
You know, not only just BTJ,but Parker Washington.
Like we talked about EvanIngram.
You know coming back healthynext year, brenton Strange so
certainly don't see a reason tolet go of him unless he's, you

(14:02):
know, looking for some kind ofabsurd contract which, based off
of his play.
I don't really think that hewould be asking for that, but I
do think maybe there'd be somesuitors, such as a like a team
that's going to be in the ArchManning sweepstakes next year,
or the Penn State quarterback.
Like teams like the Giants.
You know teams like the Raidersthat might be like a little bit

(14:23):
outside of being able to select, you know, like Cam Ward or
Shador Sanders.
So those teams that are maybelooking ahead to the Arch
Manning draft, if he even comesout next year I'm hoping that he
does not.
Obviously I would like to getas much out of Arch Manning as I
possibly could as a Texas fan,but maybe those types of teams
will like look at a Mac Jones,you know, to bring in a guy that

(14:45):
has, like we said, theexperience and the starts, and
then they can just kind of coaston that until the 2026 draft.
But yeah, jay, I mean in termsof the overall season, you know
four and 13,.
I think I have them going.
I would have to go back andlisten to it.
I think my record prediction waseither 11 and six or 12 and

(15:06):
five.
I think you had them at eithernine and eight or 10 and seven.
So you know things got awayfrom them pretty quick.
I think we both had anindication that once the season
started, oh and four, and theneventually was one in five, that
it was pretty much a wrap.
You know not too many teams, ifany, dig themselves out of that

(15:27):
kind of hole and we knew that.
You know those predictions wereprobably not going to go the
way we wanted them to.
And listen, they also lost 10one-score games this year.
So there is I say this all thetime there is an alternate
universe in which theJacksonville Jaguars have a
winning record and possibly arefighting for the number one seed

(15:47):
in the AFC if some of thesegames go a different way.
I mean, look at this Lost toMiami by three, lost to
Cleveland by five, lost toHouston by four.
Let's see, lost to Green Bay bythree, philly five, minnesota
five.
Blowout to Detroit, houston bythree, philly five, minnesota
five.
Blow out to Detroit, houston bythree.
New York losing by seven, vegaslosing by five, and then

(16:11):
obviously, the overtime loss.
All those games, if I canrecall correctly, jay, they were
competitive in all those games.
And you don't get, you know,because sometimes you get these
scores and people think, oh,that was a close game, but it
wasn't really.
These were actually all closegames that they could have won.
And, like I said, somealternate universe.
Trevor Lawrence is about tolead the Jaguars into the

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playoffs right now.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, I mean, maybe that played into why they didn't
do a full reset, which we'lltalk about later.
But yeah, I mean, yeah, whenyou get caught up in a season
where they didn't exceedexpectations, recognize it is
easy to lose sight of what youjust said, like it wasn't, like
they were getting blown out alot you know, aside from, like

(16:57):
um, the detroit game and maybe afew others, I think buffalo's
got.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
yeah, buffalo got nasty, got nasty, but um Prime
time.
What was that?
Sunday night football.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, yeah.
So no Monday, that was Mondaynight football.
Oh God, even worse, right,which I mean that's also a
reason, you know, that's also analarming thing to see and an
alarming reason to make a fullchange, right.
It's like, well, when you playteams that you would see in the

(17:26):
playoffs or the Super Bowl, likeeverything goes down to crapper
.
So yeah, man, I just wish a lotof those close scoring games
could have been resulted in, youknow, could have resulted in
some wins, and we're having awhole different conversation now
.
So I mean, it just kind of goesback to that conversation, right
, that we've had in the past youknow we had it during the Urban

(17:46):
Meyer era, when Urban Meyer waslet go Is the team just simply
didn't know how to win.
You hear that from the players.
Trayvon Walker mentioned it, Ibelieve, and you know he was
talking to it might have beenBrent or Action Sports News or
somebody after the game.
Is that, you know, they justhave to learn how to win and

(18:06):
they got to establish thatwinning mindset and winning
culture.
So we'll see.
You know that that's going toobviously depend on whoever the
coach is, you know.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
So like that should be a key thing that is
emphasizing the coaching searchheading forward yeah, who that
coach will be and who is who'sgoing to want the job remains to
be seen, so we will discussthat here shortly.
But, jay, any other reflectionsabout the season overall or
this past game that you want tothrow out here before we move on

(18:38):
to what is obviously, uh, themost pressing topic here this
evening?

Speaker 2 (18:44):
nah, man, it's time, time to move on and look forward
because, as we said, the seasonwas disastrous.
While we did get some goodthings out of it for the most
part, it is one that I'd muchrather forget.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, we need to leave that season in the past as
soon as possible, UnlikeShotKhan who refuses to leave
Trent Bulkey in the past, onlyfiring Doug Peterson on Monday
morning following Jacksonville'sweek 18 loss, Once again
finishing the season on 4-13.
Got Zach Goodall's article uphere from the Jaguars Wire, the

(19:23):
statement from ShotKhan readingquote I had the difficult task
this morning of informing DougPeterson of my intention to hire
a new head coach to lead theJacksonville Jaguars.
Doug is an accomplishedfootball man who undoubtedly,
and who will undoubtedly, enjoyanother chapter in his
impressive NFL career and I'llbe rooting for Doug and his wife
, Jenny, when that occasionarrives.

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As much as Doug and I both wishhis experience here in
Jacksonville would have endedbetter, I have an obligation,
first and foremost, to serve thebest interests of our team and
especially our fans doubtful whofaithfully support our team and
are overdue to be rewarded inthat spirit.
The time to summon newleadership is now.
Later on in that statement hesaid I will collaborate with

(20:08):
general manager Trent Balke andothers within and close to our
organization to hire a leaderwho shares my ambition and is
ready to seize the extraordinaryopportunity we will offer.
In Jacksonville, Peterson endedup going 22-29 in the regular
season and 23-30 including thepostseason, during his 53 games

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here with Jacksonville and Jay,you know when that news came out
.
You know, obviously, the gameends on Sunday and everybody is
anticipating the next 24 hours.
First off, the poor Jaguars hadto sit in a tarmac in
Indianapolis for who knows howlong and I think they got home
finally like very, very earlyMonday morning.

(20:49):
So they had to, you know, notonly sit there and think about
their loss and who their headcoach is going to be, and they
had to sit on a plane for hours.
So that's just a dreadful wayto end the season, I'm sure.
And then this news comes out.
You know, the Doug Petersonfiring certainly not a surprise,
but the Trent Baalke stickingaround has really been the straw

(21:11):
that has broken the camel'sback, so to speak, with a lot of
fans, including myself.
As soon as this news came out,I called the Jacksonville Jaguar
ticket office and told them tomake sure my tickets do not
renew for 2025.
I had been saying it thisentire time If they continue
this course and keep TrentBaalke, I'm not going to give

(21:34):
this team any more of my money.
It's not worth it.
I can put those funds elsewherethan giving them to a team and
an owner who is unserious aboutwinning, Keeping Trent Baalke
around.
You can even see it in thereactions that are being

(21:54):
reported out of other NFL campsabout this decision making
absolutely no sense and possiblycosting you a very good
coaching candidate, which we'lltalk about here in a moment.
But making this decision andthen coming out with that
statement those two thingsjuxtapose.
You are not concerned about thefans and want to quote unquote
reward the fans but then also,in the same statement, say

(22:18):
you're going to keep someone atTrent Baalke who is bad at his
job.
I guarantee you there hasprobably been nobody else in
Shad Khan's work history and hisrise to his success that's
probably been as bad at his jobas Trent Baalke.
I bet you there is nobodywithin any organization he has

(22:38):
ever worked with that is asincompetent as Trent Baalke is.
Yet somehow he's going to gethis chance to hire a third head
coach.
He's going to once again pickin the top five of the NFL draft
and, yeah, we've gotten somehits that we've never shied away
from acknowledging whenTrampolki has selected the right

(22:58):
player.
But you know people have beentalking about this online as
well.
Btj might have been a DougPeterson decision, who knows,
but you are not going to sit uphere and tell me you were
serious about winning andrewarding the fans while also
keeping this person around.
So that's it for me.
I'm done.
Texted our buddy, Eric,immediately.

(23:19):
He said hey, I canceled myseason tickets.
They're retaining Trent Baalkeand I'm not going to do it
anymore.
So those were my initialreactions, Jay, the moment we
found out, yeah, man, it was a.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
It was a flat out gut punch, you know, when, uh, we
got word that he'd be staying,uh, but it's more so a gut punch
because you know the reportssay that, you know, sean Conn
was, you know, basicallyretaining Trent Baalke would not
be smart, for the simple factthat he restrict what you can do

(23:55):
in terms of a coaching search.
And, despite getting that news,shotgun kept him anyway, right,
him anyway, right.
And um, it was a little blurbput out today shout outs to
whirlybird on twitter who, um,he got a blurb, I think it was
from a sam cavar's article thatsays what it could be, and we

(24:16):
kind of pieced this together bylistening to the press
conference, the zoom conference,which we could dig deeper into
that too.
But, um, basically the blurb inthe article by sam cavarish was
saying that khan doesn't trustthe opinions enough in the
building outside of trent balky.
So that that's very strikingand very telling and that, to me

(24:40):
, that says well, you know,that's on you as the owner of
this team, to build a betterrelationship and get a better
pulse or get a better grasp ofwhat's going on in your building
.
Right, that's, that's a sign tome that you're a little bit too
much absentee.

(25:00):
Grasp and a pulse and you don'thave an idea of what is best
for the organization and what isbest for the people working in
that organization is inexcusable.
Now look, you know, shaad Khanis, he's the owner of the team.
He can ultimately do what hewants and he can run the team
how he wants.
But to put things intoperspective, right, if he ran

(25:27):
Flexingate like this, which isthat's the bumper company, it
wouldn't have become the entitythat it would, right.
So it's a little bit differentwith the NFL, because they all
take money from one big pot andwhether you win or lose, you
still get, you know, a lot ofmoney.
But I would say that if he ranany of his other companies like
that that are outside of thesports realm, they will be

(25:49):
probably ran into the ground.
But all of that said, man, as Iwas saying, going back to my
initial reaction, it was a gutpunch.
It was already hard to getthrough the season Right, and
you know, I'll admit it.
You know, one of the thingsthat kind of has caused me and
you to not record too is justthe energy that was taken out of

(26:13):
us from the season, right, andalso to just the constant
mindset of well, trent Baalke begone, right.
We started thinking about thisway back in you know what, three
, two, three months ago,thinking that you know, at least
Shaq Khan would come to hissenses and make this move, and
he still didn't do it.

(26:35):
And then for us to go throughthe season, that made it only
harder, and for him to still notrealize what's going on and
what's taking place before him,whether it's the scores on the
field, whether it's the peoplein the building, whatever the
case may be, it was just alldeflating, right, and it's just
hard to put that diehard fanenergy that we've had over the

(26:58):
course of the years.
It's hard to keep putting thatdiehard energy into the team
when your owner is just sooblivious to what's going on,
right, and the team's owner isso oblivious to what's going on.
So, yeah, that being said, man,it was one of the worst days in
Jags history.
Yesterday was when he announcedit.

(27:20):
They didn't make it any betterby doing the press conference or
the Zoom conference that theydid, because that even further
validated I don't know if you'veseen it, phil, but that even
further validated that Khan wasclueless and just oblivious to
what's going on.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
So I want to hear your thoughts on that real quick
and if you saw it, I saw bitsand pieces of it, but I've
certainly seen the part thateveryone is talking about, even
outside of Jaguar Twitter, where, you know, shouts out to Mia,
who asked ShotKhan like hey,what if and I'm paraphrasing
here, I don't have the actualquestion in front of me you know
, if a coach comes in or there'sa coaching candidate that wants

(27:59):
a different general manager,like, is this something that?
Is that something you'dconsider?
Thenent shot khan basicallysays yeah, yeah, I'd probably
consider it, with tram bulkysitting right there or you know,
right there in the zoom callwith him.
And yeah, that's you're, you'reright, it does just go to show
how clueless he is about thiswhole process.

(28:19):
And if you felt that way, thenyou should have totally cleaned
house, if you're okay with theright coat.
Like, who's to say thatsomebody doesn't come in?
The, you know coach doesn'tcome in, and totally, you know,
jedi mind trick shot con.
The same way, trend bulkyappears to have done so, like

(28:42):
we've heard of general managerssometimes sticking around, you
know, until the draft before youknow, either stepping away or
being let go.
But like the way Shotgun'stalking about it, he's he's
saying Trampolki is going to behere for a long time Like this,
is his partner when it comes tothis and like you said, you know
, like you said in that article,like for some reason he only

(29:03):
trusts Trent Balki with thefuture of this franchise.
And you know I texted the groupthis morning about Vasselli's
appearance on you know 1010,which obviously he's on all the
time.
But talking about how he saidthat Trent Balki, there's no way
Trent Balki would manipulatehimself, you know, other people,
or the coaches, or or Shad Khan, to save his own job, bs, tony,

(29:29):
that is complete BS and youknow it.
And I know that he is obviouslyvery heavily involved within
the organization and you knowhe's got a responsibility to toe
this line.
I know that's not easy for himto do, but I know he knows that
that's complete nonsense,especially since we saw all of
this play out in San Franciscoalready.

(29:51):
And he also mentioned thatcoaches because there's only so
many spots coaches aren't goingto pass up on the opportunity to
be a head coach in the NFL justbecause of the general manager.
Like hell, they won't.
Why would a head coach?
We just saw Ben Johnson lastyear remove himself from
interviews because he was notready for that opportunity.

(30:14):
So these up-and-coming coaches,these coordinators, the Aaron
Glens, the Ben Johnsons, theseguys they have the opportunity
now to wait because teams likethe Patriots and the Raiders did
here in the last, you know, 48hours, teams are moving on from
coaches faster than ever.
It's an epidemic and as far ascoach firings.

(30:37):
So yes, they can, they can andwill be patient and wait on the
correct job and not pairthemselves with a snake like
Trent Balky.
So that was another thing thatirritated me here earlier this
morning.
We're recording here this,we're recording this here on
Tuesday night.
So, yeah, I definitely want toget your thoughts on, you know,
baseli's thoughts, or Baseli hadto say this morning, but yes, I

(31:00):
did see, you know, to circleback those bits and pieces of
that.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Just very strange, zoom call to circle back those
bits and pieces of that justvery strange zoom call.
Yeah, man, it was one of theworst moments in jazz history.
That zoom call itself not justthe announcement that Trent
Baalke would be coming back, butthe zoom call itself.
I watched the whole thing andSean Cunn's mannerisms and
responses in that zoom call justI'm not, I not, I'm going to

(31:25):
call it what it is it made mesick to my stomach as a longtime
diehard Jaguar fan.
It made me flat out sick Like Ihad to pause it and step away
from the computer because hismannerisms and his responses
just show just how clueless heis to football and just how
clueless he is to what hepurchased in the NFL franchise.

(31:49):
Now, look, I understand it.
Owners don't have to be likefootball gurus and understand a
game to a tee and all of that.
But it feels like the personthat purchased the Jacksonville
Jaguars and Shaq Khan shotgun issomebody I don't even want to
say like it was a quick moneygrab for him, because I do think
he cares, but it feels like hepurchased them out of a hobby.

(32:12):
You know what I'm saying.
Like this, this hobby ofbillionaires get, you know I
don't want to say they getdesperate with their money, but
they get curious with theirmoney, right, and they want to
buy things and see how to go.
And obviously this was a hobbyor something like that he was
curious about.
It paid off in the sense thathe bought the team and shout out
to Stodge, who mentioned thisin the spaces he bought the team

(32:36):
for about 750 million and nowyou know it's over what two
billion in or four billion orsomething like that in net worth
now billion in or four billionor something like that in net
worth now.
So obviously, if it was a hobbyor it was something that he
wanted to try his hand in justout of curiosity, it's paid off
from that sense.
But that's not to say that hewouldn't put his efforts into

(33:00):
winning at all.
He has.
But when it comes to these typeof things, the fans, you know
they want somebody who's goingto put their best into winning,
that's going to put their allinto winning, because they put
their all and their hard earnedpaychecks and their you know
salaries into this team, whetherit's through merchandise,
season tickets, like you,whatever the case may be their

(33:22):
time as well, and they put a lotof their time in the past into
this team.
So to have somebody who doesn'tmatch that energy right like
other owners around the leaguethat actually want to win and
that are actually embarrassedenough to make the moves that
need to be necessary once theyget embarrassed like the jaguars

(33:44):
have been uh, aaron pointedthis out.
Shout out to our buddy, aaron,that you know, since shot come
brought purchased this team,he's got the worst losing record
in history in the history ofthe nfl, which is like or or of
existing owners.
I think is what he was saying,which is just insane.
Man is insane.
And you go from that to wantingto keep Trent Baalke is just

(34:08):
something that I can't even puttogether why you would do that.
But in terms of Bocelli, Ihaven't seen or heard what
Bocelli said.
I think I might have saw oneclip on Twitter and I'm not
shocked because you know all duerespect to the OG man and what
he put into this game and thiscity and this team.

(34:29):
When we got rid of Tom Coughlinand we were asking to get rid of
Tom Coughlin, right, he was thesame way.
Right, he's a.
He's a person that wears hisheart on his sleeve and you know
he doesn't like to say a lot ofbad things about the franchise,
and it could be because, in away, he works for him, uh, or
maybe it's just something that'snear and dear to his heart, but

(34:51):
so that's the same thing thatapplies to us.
It's near and dear to our hearttoo.
That doesn't mean we can'tspeak our mind about the team,
right.
That's.
That doesn't mean we can't callthem out for their shortcomings
and their issues, right, you?
Sometimes you have to keep itreal, right.
And as somebody who has playedthe game himself and stepped on
the field himself and put blood,sweat and tears into this

(35:11):
franchise himself, he has evenmore of a reason than you and I
feel, to call it like it is.
He's left blood on that fieldat Everbank or whatever they
call it.
I guess it's going to changeeventually, but he's left blood
on that field, he's left bumpsand bruises and the game caused
him to leave.

(35:31):
He had to leave the game early.
He put a lot of his life intothis franchise and for me, I
believe that's all the morereason that he needs to call it
like it is and quit being ahomer on this situation, because
we all know Trent Baalke'sresume.
We all have seen this many, manytimes.
We all have seen how gullibleShaad Khan is and look man, we

(35:53):
love these people to death,right, but we're calling it like
it is.
We all seen how gullible ShaadKhan is and, that being said,
when you put the two togetherbetween Trent Baalke being the
little finger of the NFL,basically, and Shaad Khan being
one of the most out of tuneowners in the NFL when you put

(36:13):
that together, yeah, youprobably got a bad coaching
search coming on your hands, andeverything that Bo Selly said
won't happen is likely to happen.
But you know, I guess we'llultimately see how it goes.
But if you made me put money onit and how disjointed and how
terrible this coaching search isgoing to go, I would probably

(36:34):
put good money on it.
That it's not gonna go well,you know.
So that's my opinion on it.
Um, on, in terms of, you knowshot khan's decision and you
know how bocelli has reacted tothe decision to keep Trent
Baalke.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah, well, when you're talking about betting
odds, jay, those betting oddshave shifted here over the last
24 or so hours.
So, you know, let's talk aboutthose interview requests that
have been put in, because we aregoing to have to shift focus to
what is going to happen nextnow in terms of who the next
head coach of this team is goingto be and what their staff is

(37:13):
going to look like.
Now there are some names onthis list that we did mention
back a few months ago.
That's how bad the season was,I think.
Like what was it like?
Six weeks in, we were doing ahead coaching and gm episode,
which is crazy, right in themiddle, like in the first half
of the season.
Definitely not not a good signfor things to come.

(37:34):
But let's talk about these nameshere, jay, that they released
here earlier today that theywill, that they have put
interview requests in.
I believe two of them we doknow, no, just one.
I believe that I I saw how wedo know is meeting with them
virtually on Friday.
I'm not sure about the rest ofthese names, though, but the
names are Kellen Moore, toddMunkin, joe Brady, liam Cohen,

(37:59):
ben Johnson, aaron Glenn,patrick Graham and Robert Sala,
so a few names on there thatpeople are probably very
familiar with.
Obviously, the the golden gooseof this coaching cycle is going
to be Ben Johnson, and you knowthen some other names on there
that have either coachedelsewhere or have always found

(38:19):
themselves in conversations forhead coaching spots.
So, jay, initially, what do youthink about this list?
And also, as I mentioned,betting favorites, it went from
Ben Johnson to being thefavorite, I believe, maybe 24 to
30 hours ago.
It has now switched and flippedto Liam Cohen being the
favorite, and that's just howthe betting odds are going, just

(38:41):
because you can bet on anythingnow.
But what do you think of thislist of names?
As far as interview requests go, and you know, I mean, who
knows how many of these guys areeven going to be open to
working with Trent Baalke?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
right, that's the key , right.
And uh, yeah, I think the oddswere 150 for cohen, negative 150
and then like plus 300 forjohnson.
Last time I checked and um,prior johnson was in the lead.
So, as you said in the past,vegas, you know all of these
beautiful hotels, the bellagioand whatnot.

(39:16):
You know they know their stuffwhen it comes to how to get the
funds to build that stuff.
So I wouldn't put it past themthat they know what's going on
in the know on this, whichthat's actually encouraging when
you look at it from thatstandpoint, that they see Cohen
and Johnson as the favorites,right?
So, just going back to what Iwas saying, I'm not confident
that the search will go as wellas you know the odds are saying

(39:40):
and the reason I'm saying thatis right like right now the odds
look good for the Jaguars toget a very good coach, but who's
to say they won't mess this upand then the odds drop and then
somebody else becomes thefavorite, right?
So if anybody can make Vegasand the odds makers out there
alter their odds is theJacksonville Jaguars because of
how just disjointed and just howthey run coaches, searches and

(40:05):
just how unorganized they are.
So if those stats stay likethey are right, that will
probably be a sign that they'redoing things right for the most
part, aside from not, you know,aside from not moving on from
Trent Balky, but we'll see intime, we'll tell on that.
But, yeah, of this list whenyou mentioned this list, I mean
it's a good list on paper, right, but we all know you can't get

(40:28):
excited with this team.
And, by the way, the key herethese are requests.
Right, these aren't people thatare confirmed to be taking
interviews.
Now I will say that Aaron Glennwill be taking an interview.
I think Ian Rappaport reportedthat, so that's one that we do
have in the bag right there.
But in terms of anybody else onthis list of requests, nobody

(40:52):
else at least it hasn't beenreported yet has said yes, right
.
So we'll see how bulky affectsthat and who says yes and who
says no.
But on paper, yeah, it lookslike a great list, and some of
these names, or even names thatwe put on our head coaching list
Todd Munkin was one of them.
I think he probably will end uptaking an interview for the

(41:12):
simple fact that he might not bethe top guy on some people's
list and his chances might bebetter with the Jaguars, because
he played, uh, he worked forthe Jaguars under Del Rio and
he's a little bit up there inage, not that saying he's like
too old to coach, but I thinkhe's like 57, so that kind of
helps his eyes.
Maybe Liam Cohen is a name that, um, we didn put on our list,

(41:38):
but I would be very excitedabout that because he's a Sean
McVay disciple and just kind ofwatching what he's done over
there with Tampa Bay has beennothing short of miraculous.
And we can scheme up for TrevorLawrence.
We'll be very excited aboutthat offer.
Now, again, like I would fearfor him because he's paired with
Trent Balky.
Now, again, like I would fearfor him, because he's paired

(41:58):
with Trent Baalke, he'd have tolook over his shoulder every
week and you know there'll be apower struggle, because it's
always a power struggle withTrent Baalke.
But I like that hire RobertSala, not even shocked that he's
on this list, for the simplefact he also worked for the
Jacksonville Jaguars and thereare reports coming out saying

(42:21):
that he is somebody that theythink highly of in the building.
And then, in terms of theseother names, of course I would
put Ben Johnson up there withCohen, but again with Ben
Johnson being so selective,right, and so, you know, picky
about where he would go.
The big question mark is does hewant to work with Trent Baalke
and we talked about this in thespace field.
This is an interestingconversation to have because

(42:43):
Sean Conn said he would be open.
At least how I gathered it,he'd be open to at least hearing
out a coach's argument to get anew GM and to make some front
office changes With.
Sean Conn is looking at it alittle differently than he
should.
Sean Conn's looking at it aslike they're going to overhaul
like a group of 80 people, andthat's not the case.

(43:05):
That's another thing.
Sean Conn just doesn'tunderstand how these things work
.
But something I mentioned inthe space, right?
Phil, I want to know youropinion on this is if you're Ben
Johnson and you do take aninterview and I don't know that
he will, but if you take aninterview, right, you could just

(43:28):
simply prove the shot, comewith just simple ABC type of
stuff of how you can make thisteam better by replacing Trent
Baalke, right, the guy that hewants to get in the building,
reportedly Lance Newmark, to bethe GM.
Uh, who's with the WashingtonCommanders right now?
He's their assistant GM, right?
They're playing in the playoffsright now, right?
So if you're you're Ben Johnsonand you come in and take an

(43:50):
interview and you say like, hey,I want my own GM, you could
tell Shotgun to simply, hey, popon the tape of the Washington
Commanders and how quick theyturn things around.
They turn things around in oneyear.
My guy Lance did that.
Right, pop on the tape of themthis weekend when they play in
the playoffs and let me know ifyou see what you like, if you

(44:13):
like what you see on theoffensive line, the defensive
line, what their quarterback isdoing.
My guy Lance Newmark built that.
Look at what we got here inDetroit.
My guy Lance Newmark had a sayin building this as well before
he went to Washington.
Or, you know, you can make acase for Ray Agnew, who we have
as well, the assistant GMcurrently with the Detroit Lions

(44:36):
.
Look what my guy built, right,he's built so much of a good
thing here.
We're having a first round buyright now.
Or Phil, better yet, he canalways do this.
He can simply say, hey, pop onthat tape of when you played us,
which they blew us out rightand you tell me who you think

(44:58):
constructed the better team myguy Lance Newmark or my guy Ray
Agnew or Trent Baalke?
The proof is in the pudding.
You can lay out simple thingslike that.
So if Ben Johnson is of thatmindset, I would say he does
need to take an interviewbecause he can put it out there
of just how much of a superiororganization the Lions are, and

(45:22):
even the Washington Commandersare, in terms of the guys that
he might bring in as a GM.
But maybe I'm looking too muchinto it myself.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, you know, I'm curious if, like, that's what it
would take.
Like that's what it would take,like what if robert sala comes
in talks to shod khan, is like,hey, you know, even if, like,
I'm not going to take this job,even if you don't go with me,
you got to let trent balky golike it's going to cost you in
the long run in terms of gettingthe guy in here that you want,

(45:52):
because I think I saw somereports out there that shod khan
was very upset that robert salahad like kind of gotten away
from him after Doug Marone waslet go.
So, you know, maybe it's goingto take something like that for
a guy that maybe he, he respectssomehow you know as much as
Trent Balky, like a Robert Salaor some guy like that to come in
here and and let him know hey,this is what's happening, this

(46:15):
is what discussions are beinghad, because you've decided to
partner with Trent Baalke againfor the foreseeable future.
So, yeah, that's a good point.
I would like to know and I'msure we'll never find out if a
coaching candidate would comeinto the interview and tell him
straight up I would beinterested in this job, but I'm
not going to work with TrentBaalke.

(46:36):
Here's who I would beinterested in this job.
But I'm not going to work withTrent Baalke.
Here's who I would like.
And in that embarrassing Zoompress conference, shotkhan's own
words said yeah, you know, I'lltake a look at it, I'll
consider it.
So then, what are you going todo then at that point?
You know, feet held to the fire.
So, yeah, like you said, theseare just requests.
So far, we only know aboutAaron Glenn at the time of

(46:58):
recording.
That could change by the timethis episode comes out.
But there are a lot of reallygood names on this list.
And not only that, jay.
There are good names on thislist that could assemble a good
staff, which I think could bevery, very exciting as well.
Are there any names that youhaven't seen here yet that you

(47:19):
would like to see added?
There aren't other than RobertSala.
I believe he is the only one onhere with head coaching
experience.
Are there any of those veteranhead coaches you'd like to see
them interview?
You know your Mike Rabels, peteCarroll, guys of that ilk that
you'd like to see them put inthese requests for it and
hopefully even bring in for aninterview.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yeah, you said the two that were at the top of my
mind right now, that was PeteCarroll and Vrabel, more so Pete
Carroll, now that they arekeeping bulky because Pete
Carroll is not going to put upwith Trent's BS.
Pete Carroll is going to comein with a clear-cut plan, maybe

(48:01):
even a better plan than BenJohnson and all of these
first-time guys, even though BenJohnson's been picky and it
seems like he has a cleardirection of where he wants to
go.
But Pete Carroll's been in thegame a long time and I'm sure
he's known of Trent Baalke'sreputation for a long time.
He's the type of guy that wouldcome in, have a clear plan, a

(48:24):
clear direction, a clear way toverbalize at the shot come why
they should move on from him,and he'd have a GM in mind as
well, if not two.
I've also named a few guys thathe could bring in.
Ed Dodds is a guy he's workedwith in the past and it's
another guy, nolan Teasley, thatworks for the Seahawks right

(48:49):
now, that he might want to bringin reportedly as well.
But unfortunately Pete isn't onthe list as well.
But unfortunately Pete isn't onthe list Now.
Mike Vrabel might not be on thelist because he, as of now,
doesn't technically work fororganization.
So I think his contract withthe Browns he was like a
consultant with the Browns lastyear, this season, I think it

(49:13):
expired a few weeks ago.
So maybe they have spoken withhim and he hasn't.
You know, you don't have toreport it or verbalize it that
you spoke with him, but he'sanother guy because you know, I
don't think while I did readsomething that said him and
Balki are cool, he still won'tbe pushed around by Balki, right

(49:35):
, and you know he has thewherewithal to outlast Balky,
even though that seems like animpossible thing to do, but he
has the wherewithal to outlastBalky, who is only on.
He only has one year on hiscontract.
Left, right, phil?
That's what muddies things here.
That's what makes it difficult,right, is these coaches?

(49:55):
You're essentially asking themto sign on with the GM that has
one year on his contract.
Now maybe, look, balky has itin his mind that he'll retire or
something like that.
But how do these coaches trustthat he will right?
That's what makes it so muchdifficult, but that's another
story for another time.
But those two guys are two guysthat especially Carroll, or

(50:17):
that I'm more high on than I was.
I think I had Vrabel at the topof my list anyway, but I would
actually put Carroll at the topof the list more than Vrabel now
, just for the simple fact ofCarroll's experience and just
how I feel like he would reactto Trent Baalke being the one
that he's linked to.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
What about a guy like Brian Flores, jay, any interest
there?
Obviously, flores has areputation of, I think, being a
pretty hard-nosed coach in termsof his coaching style, and that
works for some people and maybedoesn't for others, but what
about him?
His name has also been thrownout there for some other teams
in the league.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Not for us.
I do want to see Flores get asecond chance, but just on, you
know, and obviously he's learnedsome things and he's learned
how to become a better coach.
You know, since he was firedand you know he spent some time
with who was it Pittsburgh?
And then he spent some timewith the Vikings.
So you know, obviously he'slearned some things from Mike

(51:25):
Tomlin and coach McConnell overthere with the Vikings and he's
probably going to be a bettercandidate than he was before.
But still, you know, I have myconcerns with him and just the
partnering of Trevor Lawrence,just the simple fact of what we
heard about, like how you know,know Tua was coached up and you
know, at the same time, you dowant to have a quarterback that
has thick skin.
You know what I'm saying.

(51:46):
So you know that'll be achallenge for Trevor in terms of
, you know, him having thickerskin and being able to deal with
a coach like Flores.
But then again, maybe Flores isa better coach and can better
verbalize what he needs out ofhis quarterback as well.
So he certainly will be a guyon the top of my list, but I do
want him to get anotheropportunity somewhere.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah, I agree, and I guess the last thing we'll throw
out here before we wrap up thisepisode and you know we do plan
on getting back on track hereas the head coaching search uh
moves on and then heading into,uh, you know, the draft process.
But the last thing I threw outthere just because, uh, you know
this is a a huge hypothetical,but adam schefter threw out the

(52:31):
idea of teams maybe contactingthe pittsburgh steelers about
Mike Tomlin if they findthemselves losing again in the
first round of the playoffs thisyear here in the wildcard to
Baltimore.
And here's the thing I think itwas I was listening to, I think
it was on Sportsman Like, whichis the I talked about the

(52:51):
morning show that's on ESPNradio right now the Steelers
would never fire Mike Tomlin andMike Tomlin would never just
willingly like walk away.
Right, I think, the mutualrespect between those two and
between the Rooney family andwhat he has meant to that
franchise I don't think theywould ever allow themselves to
come to those kind of terms orfor for them to ever like fire

(53:15):
Mike Tomlin.
I also believe I heard that MikeTomlin has a no trade clause.
But like, those things can beworked out.
But is there a guy like a MikeTomlin, kevin Stefanski you know
we're just throwing out nameshere Again, major hypotheticals
when it comes to some of thesenames Is there a coach out there
that you would trade draftcapital for to bring in here?

(53:36):
Now with Mike Tomlin alsosomebody also mentioned this
like Adam Schefter doesn't bringstuff up like this if he hasn't
heard it from somewhere, solike you can just call and be
like hey, hey, what's going onRooney's?
Like you know you just lostagain.
You, you know you're not goingto pick high in the draft
because you're never really badenough.

(53:56):
Like maybe you're ready for achange.
What's the deal with mikethomas?
You know, like is there a guyout there that you would you
would give up that draft capitalfor to bring him in and make
him the new head coach?

Speaker 2 (54:08):
yeah, it's just a matter of what the jaguars do it
with trent balky as the gm andthe overseer of draft capital.
But yeah, I mean, like shShanahan is one of them that you
didn't mention.
You know his name is Kyle.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Shanahan.
Yeah, for sure, sean.
Probably not Sean McVay.
They might go, you know,remember I mean Sean McVay.
They were like retirementrumors for him like a year ago,
so I don't know about Sean McVay.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Well, hey, look, you know, for somebody who is
thinking about retirement, right, they would be attracted to the
state of Florida.
So you know, maybe you give hima call.
I don't.
I don't see Sean McVay.
If he does retire, how would Iput?
I don't see him leaving theRams.
You know he I think he'll be acoach.

(54:55):
That would only work for theRams and that's it.
So I don't see Sean McVay doingthat.
But I would call about Shanahansee what they're talking about
over there which I doubt they'reready to get rid of him.
But I mean he could push hisway out of there because he
doesn't have the roster and thesituation that he once had.

(55:16):
People are getting older.
A lot of money has been spentthere.
I know you can finesse the capand all of that, but a lot of
money has been spent that wayand you know you can find
yourself here with a TrevorLawrence, somebody who you could
be with long term, who you knowhas the talent and ability you
need out of a quarterback not aknock on Brock Purdy, but you

(55:39):
know we, we all know like he'sprobably limited.
You know what I'm saying as towhat he can be as a quarterback.
And then you don't have to gothrough that whole situation of
you know he's coming up on acontract that they have to
decide if they want to pay himor not.
That's a difficult situation tonavigate right now.
Do you pay Brock Purdy top tierquarterback money?

(56:00):
You don't have to deal withthat in here.
You know Trevor Lawrence hasalready been paid his contract.
You know he even showed someflashes this year, even though
you know he ended the year on IR.
I would think he has put moreon tape in terms of his ability
and what he could be than BrockPurdy and what his ceiling can
be that would attract KyleShanahan.

(56:22):
And yeah, I mean yeah, mikeTumley man.
You know I got love for MikeTumley, not spoken nothing but
good things about him.
I mean I, I got a great amountof respect for the Pittsburgh
Steelers organization.
You know for the the most partin terms of what you know they
built in terms of their teamsand their rosters, and you know
how they've matched up with usin the past and you know their

(56:43):
arrival of ours right.
So, mike Tomlin man, I can'thelp but have love for him and
just you know what he also meansto the African-American
community too, which you knowthat'll be a big thing too by
bringing him to Jacksonville aswell.
Like you know, he's a he'sidolized in our community, so I
would love to see that man andhe's a great person, right?

(57:06):
You know we've heard him on um,the pivot podcast.
You know, when they asked him,like why didn't you let Ike
Taylor play, when he was reallyin a situation where he wanted
to play this, that and the other, and Mike Tomlin's response
like I care about him being ableto go home and see his family
and whatnot and you know I gotto sleep at the end of the night

(57:27):
, like I don't want to putnobody on the field that their
life could be ended or they'rein a situation where their life
could be ended.
So that just speaks volumesabout his character as well.
Stefanski yeah, I like Stefanskitoo.
Great, brilliant, offensivemind, right, he's just in a
terrible situation with theBrowns.
Wouldn't mind bringing him over?

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I think he would turn thisorganization into something very
positive as well.
I mean, we've seen what he didfor the culture with the
Cleveland Browns, who have apoor culture.
Like that's what you want issomebody that has a proven track
record of improving poorcultures.
He's done that Right, so he'sanother name to look at as well.
I like all of those names andShanahan as well.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Yeah, those coach trades don't happen very often,
but, you know, in a strange yearwith some teams that are
underperforming, then, who knows, stranger things have certainly
happened.
But, jay, we just wanted toobviously get back on here and
get an episode out for everybody.
We apologize for our absence,but you can certainly still keep

(58:34):
up with us on social media aswe keep you guys up to date with
everything in terms of this newhead coaching search and who
knows what the hell else isgoing to happen when it comes to
this football team.
But, jay, anything else youwant to discuss right now, I'm
sure one week from now we'llhave a whole plethora of things
to discuss once again.
So, even though the season isover in terms of the actual

(58:56):
football on the field, uh,offseason champs seems like it's
probably going to escape usthis year.
I don't know how you feel aboutthat.
You know we typically feelpretty good heading into the
offseason, but right now, whoknows how we'll feel in even
just a few days?
But anything else you want todiscuss with our audience before
we wrap up for the evening andstart focusing on whatever is
next?

Speaker 2 (59:17):
nah, man, that's it.
Man, it was good to be able toget a second opportunity to vent
about this after the spaces.
Man, it's always good catchingup with you and hearing your
thoughts as well, but no man, um, you know it just, it's going
to be an interesting next fewweeks, man, in terms of what's
going on with this team and whatdirection they go in in terms

(59:39):
of a head coach, and I can'twait to.
Although I'm not thrilled aboutwho's the GM, I still can't
wait to find out, you know,who's going to be the next coach
of the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Again, like you know, theymight've turned me from a
diehard to more of a casual Jagsfan.
We'll see, time will tell onthat, but still I do want to see

(01:00:04):
what they do in terms of thiscoaching search and you know, of
course, we'll be all ears andreporting it and keeping
everybody up to date on thelatest.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Absolutely so make sure you check that Linkt tree
link in the show notes of thisepisode.
You'll find everything you needthe website, touchdown jaguars,
as well as our social mediapages.
So, folks, thank you so muchfor sticking with us.
I know in terms of you know,content, this year was obviously
a lot lighter than it typicallywould be, but, like jay man, it

(01:00:35):
was.
It was exhausting to watch thisteam and just as exhausting to
cover it and motivation to talkabout them.
But we are back.
We're going to continue tocover this team and and cover
this coaching search.
So make sure you stick aroundand we'll keep you up to date
with everything you need to know.
That is my co-host, jamesJohnson.

(01:00:55):
I am Phil Smith.
Don't forget to tune in toTouchdown Jaguars for each and
every Jaguar touchdown and we'llsee you next time, folks.