Episode 112: Official Touchdown Jaguars Mock Draft!

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Speaker 1 (00:23):
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Welcome to the Touchdown Jaguarspodcast.
Here are your hosts, jamesJohnson and Phil Smith.
Hey everybody, welcome back tothe Touchdown Jaguars podcast.
I am your co-host, phil Smith,and joining me is your other

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co-host, james Johnson.
And Jay, we are back.
After your previous episodewhere you broke down the free
agency class, we're here withour second draft episode of the
draft season and ultimately itwill be what people are probably
waiting for, which is a mockdraft.

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So really excited to get tothat and discuss the players
that we have slotted to ourJacksonville Jaguars.
I know it's been.
Obviously you guys know theepisode uploads have been pretty
sporadic and you know that ison us.
We're obviously very busy.
Everybody's got personal lives.
We're doing our best.
So we appreciate you guys forstill sticking around and

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listening to the episodes.
The download numbers have beenvery good, so we appreciate that
and we hope you enjoy thisepisode.
But nonetheless, jay, it isgood to be back here with you.
It's frustrating because wewere talking nothing but draft
as far as, like, the group chatsand between each other, but we
just haven't had time to get anepisode put out before the draft
.
But we're doing that now andthen we'll hopefully have one
more before next Thursday aswell.

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So hope you're doing well andexcited to be back here with you
.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, man, just fresh off of work, you know so went
up and after I got off of workhe heated up the simulator.
Yeah, very excited to talkabout the draft because we
really haven't talked about itin terms of prospects, right,
and you would think we wouldhave talked a little bit more
draft right field because, forthe first time, we don't have
Trent Baalke as a GM.

(02:45):
Like you would think, thiswould be the most exciting
season for us ever and it is asyou said.
It reflects in our group text.
But, um, you know, life islifing and, um, you know, our
other endeavors have kept usaway from, uh, giving the draft
the attention that we havealways given it, uh, but
nonetheless, I think this isgoing to be a great episode.

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As I said, I'm real excitedabout it because, you know, we
just really haven't gotten totalk about the draft a lot.
And a lot of it is the unknowntoo.
You know, with a new GM, a lotof it is the unknown because,
admittedly, you know, with usbeing busy Also, too, it's a lot
of prospects we haven't seen.
Now I have done a big boardwhich will get that up like

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tonight, uh.
So I have seen guys at the tophalf of the draft but, um, in
terms of being able to dedicatethe time that we have to the the
later round guys, we haven'tbeen able to.
So that's going to make thingsinteresting too as well.
Man, I can't wait to uh to getthis episode up and running.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Man yeah, a refound excitement for this time of the
year.
Uh, I think we talked aboutthis in our first draft episode
from a couple months or for likea month ago.
We don't have to worry aboutguys with small arms or, you
know, blacklisting michiganplayers for reason.
If we decide to go that route,we will see what happens, but

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it's just a newfound excitementfor the future of this team and
how things are going to go when,ultimately, we won't have to
wait very long for the Jaguarsto select.
But let's go ahead and diveinto it here.
Of course, if you want to keepup with the podcast, make sure
you check out the Linktree linkin the show notes of this and

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every single episode.
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well as the website,touchdownjaguarscom.
Jay, before I get started,before we jump into our
selections, I wanted to ask youknow you already alluded to it,
because we've been so busy asfar as not being able to keep up
with the draft and theprospects as much.

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There is another factor thathas made this process a little
bit more difficult, and it'sthat the Jaguars are one of
three teams in the league to nothost any top 30 visits.
This should not be surprisingfor Jaguar fans, because any top
30 visits.
This should not be surprisingfor Jaguar fans because, jay, if
anybody does not know, the Ramsalso skip top 30 visits just to

(05:09):
wait, just to kind of avoidtipping off other teams in terms
of where they may be heading inthe draft.
Has that also made this processa little bit harder than it has
been in past years?

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, a little bit, because you know, and you would
think it's probably the Jaguarsdon't want to tip their hand,
you know, in terms of what'sgoing on.
And also, too, you know I'vesaid this too I think like what
might be factoring into things,right, is Gladstone didn't get
into the office as soon as someof these other, or as early as

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some of these other GMs gottheir new jobs right, like we
were kind of late in that regard.
Trent was fired late, right,you know, I guess you can blame
Shaw for that, but better latethan never, we'll take it.
But that being said, man, um,you know, I think that's part of
it too is, um, just likeGladstone just kind of keeping

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people in the dark in regards to, you know, not just getting his
title kind of late, but also tojust like just not letting the
rest of the world know what'sgoing on.
And I mean, I think that's forthe better.
You know, what I will say isthis feel I've always said this,
this is one of the sayings thatyou've heard me say many, many
times on the podcast in generaland just in person is you know,

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when you're in doubt, you knowyou always rely on history.
Right.
That's what you always go backto.
What does history say?
What does history say aboutthis matchup with this team?
What does history say aboutwhere this GM came from, or this
coach came from, or thisassistant came from?
So that's kind of what I'veleaned on.
It's just kind of relying on,like you know, what kind of

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history have the Ramsestablished as a front office
and where they've gone.
I've watched, you know, I'vekind of watched them a lot
lately just to kind of figureout, like what Gladstone could,
could do and what direction hecan go in, because that's really
all we really have to go off ofin regards to, you know, this
upcoming draft.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, a lot of people doing that.
You know, just kind of lookingat what the Rams have done in
the past, how they have operated, and you know you can get a
real sense of maybe what toexpect.
I believe there was somebody onTwitter was pointing out you
know when I think it was duringthe combine and James Gladstone
you know he answered he'sanswering the questions We've

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got X amount of picks for now,and that's how the Rams always
answer.
That question is we have thisnumber of picks to work with for
now because they're always, youknow, looking to see what kind
of movement they can make andhow they can improve their
positioning and and whatnot.
So, without further ado, jay,let's get into it here with the
first round pick.
If you want to go ahead andkick us off, because I think

(07:57):
you're gonna have, uh, youlisten, I'll just say this you
cooked here with your mock draftand we you had a move here.
That may surprise quite a bitof people, but you have a guy at
the top of your list that you'd, uh, like to see the jaguars
make.
That may surprise some people,but a guy you've been, you've
been speaking very highly ofover the last week over in our

(08:20):
group chat yeah, absolutely man,absolutely man.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
And yeah, I mean appreciate the kudos saying I
cooked on this, but I probablydidn't cook on the late rounds
as much as I wanted to Because,again, like, the big board I
made is mostly compiled of, like, people in the top 35.
So I haven't really gotten tothe late round guys yet, but I
did the best I could.
So appreciate that.

(08:45):
But yeah, so when it came tothis mock right, I saw the
opportunity to trade back andget more picks.
Not that we need more picks,like we have, like what, 24 and
that's three years.
But this is something Gladstonehas talked about a lot, right,
it's like the amount of picks wehave and he's kind of alluded

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to.
We want to rely on the draft,right, and that's.
You know, that's ultimatelywhat the Rams have done, at
least as of lately.
Right, you know, it was a pointin time where they were just
going with no first round picks,but after that they had to rely
on the draft because, you know,they had a lot of stuff on
their salary cap, lot of stuffon their books, so they started
relying on the draft and withGladstone going in that

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direction and kind of hitting atthat, I was like, well, I
wouldn't be surprised if hewants to trade back this is not
insider information or anythinglike that but I traded back.
I went with Emeka Egbuka fromthe Ohio State Buckeyes, from
the standpoint of I've talked alot about one to find somebody

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to pair with Brian Thomas Jr.
Right, of course that was TedMcMillan at one point in time,
but you know I'm not as high onhim as I once was.
But when I started doing myevaluations on this draft of
like, who would be the perfectnumber to fit and I think John
Shipley hit this right on thehead too Phil, who are perfect

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prospects to pair with BrianThomas Jr.
This is one that John Shipleyhad pointed out.
Right, and I couldn't agreemore, because he does all of the
dirty work and the underneathstuff that you know would
compliment Brian Thomas Jr as adeep threat.
Right, all your end arounds,all your short hitches, all of
that good stuff.

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And, more importantly too, likewhat really drew me to him,
phil too, is he's kind of theopposite of what we've been
ticked off about with the widereceiver group, right Drops.
This kid has excellent hands,to my understanding.
I had to pick up his numbers,but from a technique standpoint,
his hands are soft and also,too, he tracks the ball well out

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of the sky.
That was the stuff that kind ofdrew me to him was the
technical part of his game.
It's the hands, the tracking,um, the ability to catch in
traffic with you know receiversor, excuse me, with defenders,
right there next to him and Iwas like you know what man, this
is the answer that you need toput next to brian thomas jr.

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That being said, for thatreason I would probably say he's
arguably my favorite player inthe draft.
Arguably, I went with him, Itraded and here's, here 's.
I got great value on this, bythe way, I think at least I
traded back to 16.
And again, that was a pick heldby the Cardinals and I picked

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up their second round pick.
Of course you know that, no dub, because they're trading up so
far.
I got their third round pick, Igot a second from next year and
I got a fourth from next yearand I gave them our fifth
overall and pick number 194.
I think that's our very lastpick.
Made the trade back.
That was perfect position totake Emeka and get Brian Thomas

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Jr and Trevor Lawrence some helpon offense.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, and Ibuka.
Honestly, this is a guy thatwasn't on my radar at all until
these last few days because ofyou, and I think there's
something to be said abouttaking a winner right.
When you talk about Ohio State,you know, obviously just
recently winning, and you talkabout a guy, nick Bucca, who has
been alongside a MarvinHarrison Jr Right and then now

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alongside their stud rightreceiver that they have now
whose name is escaping me, butyeah, he seems like he would be
the perfect complement to BrianThomas Jr.
Compliment to Brian Thomas Jr.
And as far as on the big boardfor PFF he is, let's see here

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give me a second, I had it rightthere he is number 18 on their
big board, the third highestrated wide receiver on their
list, behind Ted McMillan andLuther Burden III.
So you're talking about Igbukaeven being over.
You know Matthew Golden, who hasseen quite a big rise, and then
you're looking in the.
You know the later roundreceivers, second round, and on
AM Manor, jaden Higgins, jackBeck.
You know those kind of guys.
So I think this is really greatvalue, jay, especially when you

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talk about the complimentarypiece that he would be to this
offense, and they have made thestatement over and over again
that this is about supportingTrevor and getting him in the
best position to win and gettinga top notch receiver that has
seen quite a bit of winning inhis day at Ohio State.
I think that's just a really,really good move, yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
I couldn't agree more .
I couldn't agree more, Icouldn't agree more and again
getting the value in regards oftrading back and picking up more
picks, man.
So you know, you have a guyhere who I almost put him at
number one at the receiverthroughout like of like grouping
the receivers, but I did putgolden over him.

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I think I put uh, a mecca atlike two wide receiver two, but
I did put Golden over him.
I think I put um Emeka at liketwo wide receiver two, but I
even put him out after McMillanand this is coming from somebody
who you know I really likeMcMillan.
But after just kind of watchingmore and more of this kid, I was
like I think he is better thanMcMillan and he's definitely I.
I think he's probablydefinitely a better

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complimentary piece for BrianThomas Jr than McMillan.
So yeah, man, I'll be excitedabout it if they trade it down.
I mean, yeah, we'll have towait a little bit, but you know,
as we did last year, we waiteda little bit.
It was all worth it, becauseBrian Thomas Jr turned out to be
a stud, ryan Thomas Jr turnedout to be a stud.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, a lot of people believe he is the most
NFL-ready receiver in this draft.
So for those of you that aren'ttoo familiar with Emeka Ibuka,
I definitely advise you to golook into what people are saying
about him.
A lot of Jackson Smith andJigba comparisons as well for
those of you that are in thecomparison crowd.

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So let's get to my pick, jay.
I did not trade out a picknumber five because the board
just kind of fell a very, veryinteresting way at pick number
five, and that's because AbdulCarter was there, and I know a
lot of people have been kind ofwondering well, how does Abdul
Carter, trayvon Walker and JoshAllen work?

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I'll tell you what.
It's a problem I want to haveJay.
Abdul Carter slides to numberfive and I think it's because
the Patriots went with WillCampbell at number four and I'm
trying to remember who went withthat three.
Oh, actually I can still pullit up right now.
That's right, I forgot aboutthat.
Yeah, travis hunter went to,will campbell went three and

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ashton genti actually wentnumber four to the patriots,
which, when I thought about it,like does what's the head coach
now for the?
Why am I blanking on the nameof the patriots head coach right
now.
Jay, uh, does um rapes?
Does rabel want to try andrecreate the derrick Henry days,
right?
So I didn't think that wastotally out of the question.
So obviously, mason Graham hasbeen a name essentially

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associated with us for weeks now.
But when Abdul Carter is there,a guy who many, many people have
number one on their big boards.
He's number two on PFFs, butthe highest rated defensive
player, well, I guess it dependson how you feel about Travis
Hunter.
I think he's a DB A lot ofpeople feel the same way but a
top two player in this draft.

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And when that opportunitypopped up, jay, again, I think
you just figure out that quoteunquote problem.
If you have three above averageto elite pass rushers on your
team and when you look at howthe Rams were constructed over
the last few years and how theyput a value on pass rush, I

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could certainly see them goingthis route.
And when you have a guy fall tonumber five similar to how Josh
Allen fell to us all thoseyears ago, josh Hines Allen fell
to us at number seven right,you do not pass on the
opportunity to take a guy likeAbdul Carter if he is there at
five.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
No, absolutely not.
There were some mobs that I'vedone in the simulation right
where he fell to me and it'slike I'm taking him, right, I
think.
My only fear is, I think likesomebody would be like literally
calling the Patriots with somekind of crazy offer to prevent
him from falling to us.
But yeah, you're right, if he'sthere, you absolutely take him

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and it's a problem that youwelcome.
Right, a lot of us are talkingabout we just need a pass rusher
number three, and obviouslyAbdul Carter is much more than
that.
But that being said, man, likestill nonetheless, man, you can
figure something out.
You know, I know a lot ofpeople who have suggested moving
Trayvon Walker inside on thirddowns and getting Carter on the

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field as well with Josh Allen,you know.
So maybe that's something youcan do.
All I know is just thinkingabout the three of them on the
field together is enough to putfear in any quarterback's heart.
Right, I'm all for it.
Man, I love Abdul Carter.
He is not that far off.
Now.
In my big board I have TravisHunter as the number one player,

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but he's not that far off fromTravis Hunter in terms of being
the number one player on theboard of many people, and not
just mine, for that matter onlike the board of many people,
and not just mine, for thatmatter.
So, um, yeah, you're arguablygetting the best player in the
draft at five.
If somebody doesn't like, callthe Patriots and prevent it.
So yeah, you absolutely do it.
You figure it out.
And, um, again, something thatJames Gladstone has kind of

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mentioned you know he mentionedthis himself is right is they
kind of have that door open fora lot of young pass rushers to
come and make an impact for thisteam?
He's kind of alluded to that.
Now, do they necessarily wantto get one in the first round?
You know, I don't know if theythey want to do that, but if
abdul carter is there, you throwall.

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You throw a fork in whateverplans you had at five and you
take him right.
Unless him and tra Hunter arethere, which is not happening,
you throw a fork in whateverplans you had and you take the
up dude Carter.
You figure the rest out and youknow I would like our chances
to win AFC South at that pointwhen looking at adding him and
what the Texans offensive lineis going through, I'm all for it

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.
Phil, that's a great pick, yeah, and what the Texans offensive
line is going through, I'm allfor it, phil.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
That's a great pick.
Yeah, it seems like one ofthose guys is, there's a
possibility for them to be there, whether it's Travis Hunter,
whether it's Abdul Carter.
And it just seems like wheneverwe've had this opportunity to,
you know we circle Jalen Ramsey.
You're like, oh, the Cowboysare going to take him.
Or Josh Heinz Allen, like, oh,somebody in front of us is

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definitely going to take him,and lo and behold, you know,
that guy ends up being there.
I do think that there could bea possibility that if he is
there at number four, like youstated, that somebody could be
calling New England to try andget into that spot, because in

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this scenario again, ashtonGentry, you could go back a few
picks and still select him,probably all the way to a lot of
people have been penciling himin at number 10.
So you'd probably want totarget you know what, vegas, the
Jets, panthers, saints you knowone of those teams to maybe
gosh, could you imagine, masonCrosby and, uh, and abdul carter
, but anyway, not mason maxcrosby, but yeah, so yeah, like

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you said, you know, this is justa problem you figure out, and
if it falls this way, you knowyou, you kind of roll with it.
So, uh, let's get into thesecond round here.
Jay, I'll go ahead and go first.
We'll do this like a snakedraft, you'll go, then I'll go
twice and then, yeah, you know,so on and so forth.
But with a second round pick Igot a guy who is definitely
rising up the draft board.

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A lot of people are kind ofdebating this, I think, because
some people are slotting him inthe first round, but I felt like
I had pretty good value heregetting him in the second round.
Pretty good value here gettinghim in the second round, even

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though PFF did not agree andgave me a D plus grade for
taking South Carolina safetyNick Emanwari with pick number
36.
They have him pretty far downon their big board I think he's
number 66, so not necessarilybig fans of him in terms of, I
guess, on the higher end.
Here is their little blurb fromtheir website Emanwari is a
tricky prospect who will requirea leap of faith considering
where he's likely to be drafted.

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His elite athleticism andplaymaking abilities suggest his
ceiling could be on par with aplayer like Kirby Joseph, but
his underwhelming box play andquestionable technique and
instincts are more reminiscentof Isaiah Simmons, who was
drafted in the first round in2020, but has struggled to find
a natural NFL position.
So this is a guy ran a 4-3-8 atthe Combine.

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He's got really solid ballskills, pursuit skills.
A guy, again, like I said, heis rising up boards and I
figured because we didn't takehim in the first round, jay that
I would get a solid grade forthis, but PFF was not feeling it
.
No-transcript.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah, I love that pick man.
You know well, he's one of theguys I mentioned in the thread
too.
I mean, speaking of like I'vereally talked about in our
thread, he's probably the secondmost notable one aside from
Mecca.
So, that being said, no, I'mdefinitely cool with that.
I mean, you know we lost AndreSisko.
I mean I know they're not thesame type of safety, but you

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know what I'm saying is avoid inthat room.
So there's that.
And then you know you, just youlook at what we have in Coach
Campanelli, a guy who's veryaggressive, Right, and just
strikes you as a straight uplunch pill type of defensive
coordinator, right.
I think Nick Imanwuri woulddefinitely fit his brand of

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football.
In my opinion.
He just feels like a perfectmatch for him and somebody that
Coach Campanelli would bang thetable for.
If there came a discussion inthe war room which I don't think
it'll be a lot of arguments oranything like that, or a of um,
people not seeing the eye to eye, like in with the previous

(23:22):
regime, I don't think it'll beany of that, but I think that
he's a guy that campanelli woulddefinitely bang the table for
because it's just like, it justfeels like he's a campanelli
type of player, right, and a guythat would definitely help this
defense to improve.
Because, as we all said, man,like I said it on this podcast
feel like the defense was juststraight up embarrassing and

(23:45):
hard to watch for me at times.
So you want to bring in an SECsafety that's going to help you
close to the line of scrimmageand, um, you know, bring the
skill set that he's, that hebrings, to the table.
Go right ahead and do it, man,because I am all game for it,
and he's another guy that Ithink Wiggs kind of high on too.
So Wiggs talked about him a lotas well.

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Shout out to T-Wigg.
But yeah, I'm all for it.
Man, I am ready to change thebrand of football that we play
on defense, because I justcouldn't stand what I saw
defensively last year Not justthe whole team in general, but
defensively I was not a big fanof what we saw.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, I think the opportunity here to take two
guys with your first two picks,to turn around the culture and
the way that this team plays, isa really good way to start off
your draft.
So, while I don't agree with,of course, the PFF grade and
neither do you, you know, Ithink even Warrior would be a
really solid pick here and, likeyou said, not the same type of
player as a Andre Sisco, but aposition of need for sure.

(24:49):
And, you know, with the rightcoaching staff and with the
right coaching, I think that hecould maybe fix a lot of those
concerns that PFF is alluding toin their evaluation.
But, jay, what about you?
Where did you go with yoursecond round pick?
I believe you stayed put hereat number 36 and maybe dip back

(25:10):
into that Buckeye.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Well, I absolutely did.
Part of what hurt me the mostabout what I did in the first
round is like, man, I got toleave Mason Graham there, you
know, and it was like, do Ireally want to do that?
And then I saw the return thatI could get out of it.
I was like, yeah, I do want todo that.

(25:32):
Me passing on Mason Graham.
I had to go ahead and, you know, address the defensive line
relatively early, you know, asyou have addressed the trenches
early and I went with TyleekWilliams who is, you know, he's
a guy that I mean he moves to me, he moves very well for his

(25:54):
size.
First and foremost, this is notI.
When, when the conversationcomes up about Ohio State
defensive tackles, like, peopleprobably start thinking about
Devon Hamilton right, this isnot Devon Hamilton, right, this
is a guy who's pretty quick alittle bit more shockingly quick
than I thought he would be whenI started watching him and just

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violent man.
He's somebody like every timehe hits a quarterback it feels
like the quarterback is whiplashRight now.
He's a guy.
He's probably not going to helpyou that much against the pass.
You know he's not going to bemuch of a pass rusher for you,
but that's something maybe youcan work on and develop with
them, right, but he is a beastagainst the run and you know

(26:38):
that's kind of what we need inthis division.
We play the Colts.
They have a well-known runningback and I wouldn't be shocked
if the Titans want to play arunning-based brand of football
too as well.
So he'll help us in that regard.
And, again, just looking atwhat we saw last year against

(26:58):
the run man, it was despicable.
Right, we need that violent,brutal force and that anchor on
this defensive line, on the inthe middle of this defensive
line, and we did see some goodthings out of Mason Smith.
So, like, pairing him, malik,with Mason Smith is something
that I'm definitely game for.

(27:18):
And yeah, he's a guy that, likeI said, man like just the
violence he plays with.
Again, he's kind of one ofthose tone setters for the
defense that I could see JoshHines Allen feeding off of and
Trayvon Walker he's got thatTrayvon Walker type of brute
force that he brings to thetable, but just from a defensive
tackle perspective, I can seeTrayvon Walker rallying around

(27:46):
his kid and Mason Smith rallyingaround his kid.
I think he would do a lot forthis team, not just like in
terms of physical strength, butculturally and establishing
dominance.
And you know he'll also, youknow, keep guys off the
linebackers as well.
So, yeah, that is what I wentwith in terms of my second pick,
being that I couldn't get MasonGraham in the first round.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, williams, a guy that you know really, really
showed out against Texas,embarrassing Kelvin Banks in
certain areas, and you know whohas been circling this guy a lot
.
He actually had, I think, apre-draft visit and that is with
Philadelphia.
And if Philadelphia is circlingyou, then this is the guy that

(28:30):
I want to bring in as well.
When you talk about howPhiladelphia has crafted their
team and stayed competitive overthe last decade, you look right
there into that defensive lineand really just the front seven
in general.
And if that is a guy that HowieRoseman has targeted, then yeah
, we should look into him aswell.

(28:51):
Number 41 on the PFF board,williams is a compact and
powerful interior defensivelineman who excels at holding
the line of scrimmage.
His lack of pass rushproduction makes nose tackle his
best prediction of his bestprojection likely as a day two
selection.
So, yeah, you miss out on MasonGraham early and address that

(29:11):
here in the second round.
I like that a lot.
So, yeah, solid, solid pickthere.
What do you have next?
I think your next selection.
You have another pick here inthe second round because of the
trade you made with arizona.
Uh, where did you go for pick47, uh, that you received in
that trade?

Speaker 2 (29:31):
yeah, I went with benjamin morrison.
Uh, the cornerback from notredame who I haven't gotten to see
a lot of, but I do rememberTravis shout outs to Travis
Holmes.
Man, he posted this graphic, orit was like a chart, where they
were saying Morris is one ofthe more versatile players or

(29:52):
effective players in both doingzone and man coverage.
So that being said, man, I waslike look, man, looking at where
he's fallen on a lot ofpeople's big boards and draft
boards.
I think pick number 47, that'sgood value for him.
And I mean, obviously we have aneed at cornerback.

(30:14):
Yeah, we want to try JarrionJones at cornerback and I think
he'll be just fine with it.
But you know where the concerncomes in is tyson campbell.
Right, I'm a georgia bulldogfan, like I love tyson, but he
hasn't been what we needed himto be, you know, between
injuries, and you know we'repaying him a lot of money and

(30:35):
that's a whole nother story fora whole nother time.
You know, I feel like thejaguars could have waited on
that.
But maybe that was Trent tryingto make one of his picks look
better than you know they wereor better than they had
presented themselves.
But you know, I'm not sure whatwe have in Tyson.
Like I've said it, man, attimes man Tyson looks like he
could be a top 10, 9 quarterbackin the league and then there's

(30:59):
times where it's like what inGod's name are we watching?
Or, if not, that we're dealingwith injuries.
So with the amount of injuryconcern, especially that we have
at the cornerback position, youknow they need to address
cornerback early in this draftin my opinion, because chances
are they are going gonna have toput somebody in Tyson

(31:21):
Campbell's place at least two orthree games.
Which I mean if now, if we getthrough a season where Tyson has
only missed two or three games,that's a win, but still
nonetheless, you know you don'twant to have to rely on one of
the guys that are, you know, youknow, cornerback number four,
cornerback number five, muchlike we had to do last year.
That didn't really work out forus, right?
Buster Brown, who I used to behigh on, but you know, when the

(31:45):
spotlight was on him, he showedthat like, okay, he probably is
a cornerback five, right, youknow, he's not a gym that we
thought he was, but at the veryleast a cornerback five or core
special teamer.
You know, like we don't want tohave to keep relying on those
type of guys, and I think that'swhat Gladstone and this this
group is going to look at islike and and even coach Cohen

(32:06):
has said this like we need toget better depth wise.
I can't remember in whatinterview it was, but they are
well aware that when theinjuries hit, this team just
falls to pieces.
So, that being said, um, I gotus a cornerback of the future,
should I say, and somebody who'sbeen praised as a versatile

(32:26):
cornerback in both zone and mancoverage.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, some people will, I know, are bringing up
the injury.
He missed a lot of last seasondue to hip labor repair and has
not participated in any combineor pro day workouts, but he will
have a positional workout forteams on the 21st, according to
adam schefter.
So this is a guy that I think alot of people may be scared off

(32:55):
of because of the injuries, butI know PFF is pretty high on
him.
Let's see.
They have him ranked 37 ontheir board.
Morrison is a smart, smooth,moving man coverage cornerback
with good instincts for makingplays on the ball.
Getting back to form after hipsurgery and getting a bit
stronger are the keys to afuture starting outside

(33:16):
cornerback role in a mancoverage system, but really any
system.
So yeah, I think again, thereis something to be said about
bringing in guys who come fromprograms that are successful and
for years I mean obviously thiswas before Tremblakey, but for
years we were targeting theseguys that you know weren't

(33:37):
necessarily coming from highpedigrees in terms of their
schools and you know what,targeting Ohio State and Notre
Dame early on, I think there's,honestly, I think that's a
really, really great tactic.
So yeah, jay, as far I know,you said you hadn't gotten to
watch a lot of him as far asgetting to watch too much of his
tape.
But as far as the injury goes,any concern there, especially

(34:00):
coming off you know the AndreSisco thing.
Now, granted, he never showedany signs of the previous injury
slowing him down here.
That was more of a techniquething, but any concerns using
that second overall, you knowsecond round pick on a guy with
that injury history.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
No, I mean because, and also to like part of it is
like I don't know man, thesecond round has been good to us
in the past.
Right, it's a bunch of gemswe've gotten in the second round
.
Maurice jones drew that.
He failed to us, not because ofinjury, but failed to us.
Rashid mathis right, and it'sprobably some modern guys.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
That's just escaping my mind, tyson Campbell was
second-round pick.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah, tyson Campbell, allen Robinson, right, that was
another one, marquise Lee, whoyou know he didn't have the
career that we wanted to, butyou know he was a pretty
effective receiver at times forus.
You know, I guess we got goodenough value out of Marquise Lee
as well in terms of when he washere.

(35:01):
So I mean it, you know, I, Isay take that gamble, you know,
see what happens.
Um, but yeah, you raise a goodquestion.
I mean like, why replace tysoncampbell?
Or try to replace tysoncampbell with somebody else who
has an injury history there?
Uh, but I think, like thatversatility and just like where
he was, almost big boards waslike, well, look, man, you got

(35:22):
to take gambles and look, that'swhat James Gladstone, in any
GM's career, is going to beabout.
At some point you got to takegambles, right.
You can't just take theapproach of being risk-free,
like that.
Gms that are risk-free getfired, right.
So, that being said, like youknow, he's been kind of

(35:43):
conservative so far.
We looked at like free agency,for example.
He's been kind of and I'm notgoing to say this, I'm not
saying that's going to be hismantra throughout his career is
being conservative.
But I think we'll see himwilling to take more risks in
the draft, especially with theamount of picks we have, and I
wouldn't be surprised if helooks at a guy like Benjamin

(36:04):
Morris and takes that gamble,because this one can ultimately
really pay off because, again,it's also a premium position
that we haven't gotten greatproduction out of.
So, yeah, you know, taking arisk there, I can absolutely
understand that.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yeah, I agree for sure.
Let's get into the third roundhere.
Uh, now I decided to trade backuh from pick 70 because there
wasn't necessarily a guy.
There was a guy that I I liked,but I didn't feel comfortable
taking him at 70.
So I did trade back and stillended up getting him at pick 83.
So I made a trade withPittsburgh, picked up an extra

(36:43):
fourth round pick this year aswell as a fourth round pick in
2026 and I gave Pittsburgh picknumber 70 and tossed them that
six round pick that you gave upearlier in your mock draft.
So I went with with pick.
I went with Kyle Williams fromWashington State.
Looking up to him, a lot ofpeople feel like he could be one

(37:05):
of the most underrated playersin this draft and could be a
total steal here for the rightteam instance where I had not
addressed wide receiver yet.
So this, I think, another guythat could be a really, really
good compliment to Brian ThomasJr.
He is the 64th ranked player onthe big board for PFF.

(37:28):
So again, I felt pretty goodtaking him here at number 83.
So, jay, we are getting to, youknow, kind of the range where,
as far as some of theseprospects.
I don't know as much about them, but I have heard his name
making rounds as far as a guy tomaybe look for on day two or
three with tremendous value.
Anything you know about KyleWilliams, wide receiver out of

(37:50):
Washington State.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
I do not, but I've seen a lot about him on Twitter
and I mean you're right to gowith that pick now.
We do believe the JLRs aregoing to take a wide receiver
early at some point in thisdraft, right, whether it's
fourth round or higher, probablyhigher.
So you know you were right totake them there.
At what was that 83 as well.

(38:13):
So yeah, man, I mean in yourmock you went all defense the
first two rounds.
I mean that makes a lot ofsense to finally start getting
Trevor Lawrence some help aftergoing straight defense, which I
can't blame you for goingdefense straight with them.
First two picks with AbdulCarter.
You can't pass on him Right, aswe mentioned.

(38:35):
And getting Nick where you gothim that was great value too.
That's another part.
I forgot to leave out Phil.
I honestly don't know that Nickeven more would be there where
you got him.
So that's two great value picksthere that I understand.
And switching it over to theoffensive side and getting the
offensive weapon, the receiver,makes a lot of sense there.

(38:57):
I will do some research on KyleWilliams after this podcast,
since you got him on the mock,and I'll share my thoughts on
Twitter about him and in thethread as well.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah, he ran a four four.
So you know a lot of peoplewill kind of raise their eyebrow
at that.
But this seems to be a guy whohas that game speed.
So watching some of the tapes,watching some of the, the
content that people put out onhim, um, it seems like he could
be a sleeper candidate.
Uh for somebody, uh for the,for again the correct team.
But uh, jay, where did you go?

(39:31):
I believe you stayed put atpick number 70, what, what did
you have the jaguars taking overon your end?

Speaker 2 (39:39):
I went with a player who has a lot of Duvall in him
right and that's Tate Ratlidge,a hard worker, and that's the
guard from Georgia.
By the way, hard worker duderocks a mullet for crying out
loud, right.
So like he might bring thisGardner-Mitchellite aura with
him if you will, all right, solike he might bring this

(40:00):
Gardner-Mitchellite aura withhim if you will.
But I mean all of that aside,man, this kid, I mean he's been
starting for Georgia at leastthe last three years that I can
remember, playing in upwards of10 games each of the last three
years.
He is a young man that when youwatch him on field he moves
people off the ball at the guardposition.
That's something that I'vestressed, that we don't do well

(40:21):
and we haven't done well,especially under Trent Baalke.
We just didn't move people offthe ball at the guard position.
Ezra Cleveland is injury prone,right?
I mean I know a lot of goodstats out there in terms of him
in pass pro or whatever the casemay be, but he's still not
overly impressive to me.
So you got to worry about himin terms of making it through a

(40:42):
whole season because he has beeninjury prone.
And I know we got Makari, ofcourse, what they paid him.
He's probably a two to threeyear starter, so right guard is
probably set if that's wherethey want to put Makari.
But at left guard I woulddefinitely love to get Tank
Bigsby and Travis Etienne andTrevor Lawrence as well a guy

(41:05):
that can move people off of theball like Tate Ratlidge and you
know he's equally as good in thepass game as well too.
I think his PFF grades were like74 as a run offensive lineman
or in the run as an offensivelineman, and it was about the
same as a pass protector.
And, uh, this is a guy that Ithink you insert.

(41:26):
He becomes a long-term guardfor you for many, many years and
years to come.
And, uh, you know, he's a guythat can grow old with trevor
lawrence and, uh, help keep himup right as well.
But more importantly, I think hereally would help us in the run
game, which is something thatLiam Cohen has stressed, that
they want to get going to helpTrevor Lawrence, and he's a guy

(41:47):
that I think Liam Cohen, when hegets his hands on him, he's a
guy that would be a staple forthat offensive line for years
and years to come and somebodywho would help us drastically
improve our run game, much likeLiam did with the Tampa Bay
Bucks.
Remember they were ranked inthe back half of the league when
Liam got there and then, all ofa sudden, they top their top

(42:10):
five.
Against the rush, I think, oras a run team, I think you need
a player like Tate Ratlidge toget there, and all of the free
agency additions that we've madeaside from Macari you know I'm
not sure they're long termanswers.
So this pick made all of thesense in the world for me, in my
opinion, not just because I'm aGeorgia fan, but he's exactly

(42:33):
what the doctor ordered for theJacksonville Jaguars for the
Jacksonville Jaguars.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah, Tate's been, I think, one of the most
consistent interior linemen overthe last few years.
He only gave up two sacks hisentire career.
Like you said, a guy that youwould bring in here that could
grow with Trevor and just kindof take things personally.
It says that when thequarterback gets hit, it says

(42:58):
that about him 9.96 on the RASscore.
So that's something we haven'tbrought up in this episode yet.
That is ranked eighth out of1,730 offensive guards from 1987
to 2025,.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Jay, I forgot to mention that.
Yeah, man, he killed it at thecombine.
Man, if you go back and watchhim run his 40 and that mullet
just going in the wind and himjust like moving, like like
butter man with ease.
Yeah, I forgot all about seven,four yard dash it was moving,
bro, is insane.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
I can't run a 497.
I don't even know at my fastestif I ran a 497.
Right, right, yeah, I mean asfar as depth, like you said, and
bringing him in.
You know these are a lot.
You know Robert Hainsley,patrick McCurry, what was the
other?
Shuma Adoga?
You know these are guys.
Fred Johnson, like you said,guys that are on one, two year

(43:54):
deals that probably aren't goingto be long term solutions here
year deals that probably aren'tgoing to be long-term solutions
here.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, absolutely, man .
When in doubt, man, go get oneof kirby smart's prospects, man,
and fix your offensive linewith it.
I mean, hey, it worked out forthe patriots for many, many
years with what they had davidandrews for years, and uh, yeah,
there's plenty of other goodoffensive linemen that have come
out of out of georgia.
So, yeah, man, I'm with it.
I think he you know he wastheir standout lineman.
He was a tone setter.

(44:23):
He missed a little time butwhen he came back, man, he just
went right back to work.
It was like he never missed abeat.
Man can't say nothing but greatthings about Tate Ratlidge and
the leadership also that hebrought to that locker room for
the Georgia Bulldogs.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Absolutely so you got this next pick here.
We'll go back to you.
This is the other third.
This is the third round pickyou got from the Arizona
Cardinals in that trade thatlanded you at Guka.
Let's do a quick recap here asfar as where we are at for the
first round.
Let's start with Jay.
First, for his first pick, hetraded from number five back to

(45:02):
number 16 with the ArizonaCardinals to take Emeka Egbuka.
In the second round, picknumber 36, he took interior
defensive lineman TyleekWilliams out of Ohio State.
Second round, pick 47, he wentwith Notre Dame cornerback
Benjamin Morrison, and then withpick 70 here going with the
guard Tate Ratledge out ofGeorgia, my pick so far, abdul

(45:25):
Carter at number five, nickyManwari at pick 36 in round two
from South Carolina.
And for the third round pick,pick 83 after a trade with
Pittsburgh wide receiver KyleWilliams out of Washington State
.
But, jay, I see a very familiarname coming off the board next
with that pick you received fromArizona.

(45:47):
Who is that guy?

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Oh yeah, I figured you would love this one, but I
went with Andrew Makuba and yeah, man, he's just a guy like you
can't when you pop on the filmof Texas, you can't help but see
him and that's even despitelike he, you know to me,
probably won't help you a lotand run support as much as you
like, but even despite that,like you know, in a passing game

(46:11):
and the athleticism and likethe IQ, it stands out to you.
So for me, man, I was like look, that's great value for him.
I think he's like PFF, 62ranked player and I got him at.
Where was it Phil?
Let me pull it up here.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
I got him at 78.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Pff even.
You know as harsh as they gradeus.
They even gave me an A for thatas well.
Earlier in the draft I wentwith Benjamin Morrison.
So you know I addressed thatcornerback position.
But we can't stop there.
Like that defensive back roomagain needs a lot of help and
attention.
It's one of the biggest issueson the team.

(46:56):
So I definitely can see thisteam going with two defensive
bats in the top four rounds.
I would not be shocked by thatand I would love to add somebody
.
You know, with the athleticismand the ability in the passing
game and the IQ that um Akubahas, I would definitely wouldn't
mind bringing him into the mix,especially a kid who has played

(47:17):
at a high level, played againstthe best of the best in the SEC
, almost at the ACC in the SEC.
And yeah, he's a guy that ofcourse, like when we make that
pick, of course you'll bescreaming at the rooftop.
You know if we're at thefacility which might get us
kicked out or if we're at adraft party somewhere.
So you know, I just wanted tosee that reaction, that that you

(47:41):
would give us when we draftedhim yeah, man, makuba is a guy.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
He was one of the first guys I mocked to us in in
like the very early, earlyprocess.
He's just a guy that's all overthe place.
You know, you talked about theIQ.
I think the way that he playedin the college football playoff
was obviously eye-opening forpeople that weren't paying
attention to.
Texas last year Started off hisfirst three seasons at Clemson
before transferring over toTexas and he did have a pretty

(48:08):
good start.
I believe he was freshmanAll-American and then had a
little bit of a rocky couple ofyears in Clemson but something
really clicked when he got toAustin and I would be ecstatic
if Makuba ends up here inJacksonville, like you said,
trying to fill that safety spotwhere that Andre Cisco has left
behind and also just a positionthat we have been trying to kind

(48:30):
of fill with like temporaryglue over the last few years.
And a guy like this like yousaid, at pick 78, really, really
good value.
Pff states.
Bakuba's lacking run defenseskill set may turn off some
teams, but his instincts andathleticism in coverage make him
a top prospect.
His game is reminiscent ofDevin McCourty, who excelled as

(48:51):
a true free safety later in hiscareer with the Patriots but had
the savviness to make playsfrom a variety of alignments
because of his footballintelligence.
So yeah, bring in a guy highfootball IQ.
That is a baller, like you said, played with the best of the
best.
I think would be a really,really great move.
You alluded to it, jay, that Ikind of turned this corner into

(49:12):
making selections.
That would help Trevor Lawrence, where we are continuing that
trend here.
I kept seeing running backsslotted to Jacksonville a little
bit later in this draft and youknow I went to I'm sure you saw
there in our thread I went toour buddy Josh, who is our
resident Miami Hurricane fan, toask him about this pick.
I went here, pick 88, so justfive selections later with Miami

(49:36):
running back, damian Martinez,and I'll tell you why, jay.
Now, first off, let me shoutout our buddy Josh.
He said best back in the portallast year, very north and south
runner, but always makes theright read at the line first man
, never brings him down, averagein the past game, but an elite
pass blocker.
Uh, now obviously, the runningbacks here that we have

(49:57):
currently Travis Etienne andTank Bigsby, and you know that's
kind of been all over the place.
Both of them flash.
Etienne had an outstanding 2023and kind of vanished in 2024.
We got this looming contractsituation with him, so I do feel
like running back is a goodplace to address in a very, very
deep class, and the tweet thatreally stood out to me, jay, is

(50:20):
I don't know if their runningstyles are similar.
I didn't watch a lot ofBuccaneers football last year.
The one comp that came up to mewas that he is this year's
Bucky Irving, and the light bulbin my head went off because of
Lee and Cohen.
So I don't know what you know,jay, about this guy.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
He is ranked 81st on the big board for pff, but yeah,
damian martinez running backout of miami, pick 88 for me,
yeah, martinez is not one thatI'm too familiar with, even
though I did watch a lot ofmiami film, specifically for cam
ward in the top of the bigboard, because he's a polarizing
quarterback, right.
But yeah, I, yeah, I will watchhim.
But it makes sense because Imean we'll get to that in a

(51:01):
little bit.
But my next pick was a runningback too.
So we're kind of thinking thesame thing that the Jaguars will
at least add one running back,a running back three, to that
room.
And you know, look, there's nocommitment to the guys that
Trent Baalke drafted, right?
You know we got a new regimehere.
So from Gladstone's perspectiveand from Liam Cohen's

(51:22):
perspective, you know like theycould be looking for somebody to
take over, especially for ETNwith you know ETN set to be a
potential free agent next year.
I guess we'll kind of have tolike watch how the off season
goes with him and see if theylike give him a contract, like
they did Tyson like beforetraining camp or whatever.
He can be one of those guysthat I for something like that.

(51:44):
But you know they have to getsome kind of evaluation and make
a hard decision on him.
So, that being said, yeah, no,it makes a lot of sense to go
with Martinez there and get youa guy, a developmental guy, for
Liam Cohen to again he'smentioned it a bunch of times
like we need to run the ballright, and that doesn't just

(52:06):
like people think, that justalludes to protecting Trevor
Lawrence and getting theoffensive line better.
But you know who's to say he'snot looking at getting better
running backs as well, or youknow a more long-term answer,
especially in ETN's case.
Now, tank Bigsby.
I think Tank's future might bea little bit more safe with the

(52:28):
Jacksonville Jaguars.
In regards to I don't know ifyou noticed in that video, phil,
where Liam Cohen had his pressconference, but the way he
dapped up Tank Bigsby and lookedat him, it was like man, like
I'm going to do great thingswith you, man.
I don't know if you caught that, but I was like, hey, man, liam
might have some plans for Tankman.

(52:50):
So anyway, all that said, man,I definitely agree with this
pick, wise use of resources.
In my opinion, a lot of peoplesay, hey, don't take a running
back until like fifth round orwhatever the case may be, but
I'm more than fine with takingMartinez, and yeah, I would be
game for that, even though PFFgave you a C plus, you know I'll

(53:12):
give you a much better gradethan that.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
I'll give you a B for it yeah, one other thing that
stood out here averaged 4.46yards per carry after contact,
which was second in the classbehind Ashton Genting.
So pretty good company therefor Martinez.
So but, jay, as you justalluded to, you also went
running back with pick number 88.

(53:35):
Who do you got for Jacksonvilleas the running back that you
slotted to them?

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Yeah, man, I went with RJ Harvey.
We've heard his name a lot,right, we've heard that Liam
Cohen likes him a lot and itmakes sense because they're
right down the road from him andhe's an Orlando kid, like he
was, if I can recall.
He was born in Orlando so hewent to UCF, but he's a guy that
I said that to say this is, youknow, he's in close proximity
to Jacksonville and to Tampa,right, so he was a guy that was
hard to miss, whether Liam wasin Tampa with the Bucs or here

(54:11):
with the Jaguars.
That's one of those games,that's a hop in the skip away
that you can always go to andwatch in person and see the kid
in person.
I wouldn't doubt that that'splayed somewhat into this them
seeing him in person.
But yeah, man, I went with him.
Uh, again, great valueaccording to PFF's chart, but
yeah, he's a guy that um, pffhas him compared to Duke Johnson

(54:34):
, who I don't know about, youfeel, and I know his career
didn't allude to what we thought, but I love Duke Johnson coming
out of college, by the way, andI had big hopes for him.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Yeah, I did too, for sure.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Yeah, I love that kid coming out of the draft.
So if that's what you'regetting potentially with the
offensive line, with TateRatlidge in the front and
McCurry and all of them blockingfor him, that would be kind of
exciting to watch man Blockingfor him.
You know, that would be kind ofexciting to watch, man.
And you just look at what theywere able to do last year in
Tampa Bay with oh, he's escapingmy mind a running back field.

(55:06):
Yeah, with Irvin, like youwould think, liam Cohen wants to
at least get somebody in thatroom.
That could be something likethat for us, right, a
developmental guy.
Or I mean, in Irvin's case,they probably knew that he would
be better than where he wasdrafted in the first place, I
mean, if my memory serves mecorrectly.

(55:27):
But all of that said man, yeah,rj Harvey, get a somewhat local
kid or in-state kid, I guess iswhat I would go with here.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
And yeah, man, add some depth to that running back
room behind taint, bigsby andtravis etn, which, you know, due
to the fact of etn's future,has some uncertainty surrounding
it yeah, a lot of peoplebelieve that harvey will not
even believe this is a fact thatharvey has the probably the
best burst of any running backin the class as far as his, his

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speed and vision.
And, yeah, I think this wouldalso be a great pick.
I would love to see themaddress running back here in
this third round range becausethe class is so deep.
So really like that pick.
So if they were to go witheither one of the guys totally
different runners as far asHarvey and Damian Martinez, but
also another guy who has drawncomparisons to Bucky Irving
either one of the guys totallydifferent runners as far as
Harvey and Damian Martinez, butalso another guy who has drawn

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comparisons to Bucky Irving, soyeah, I think this would be a
really solid selection forJacksonville, and PFF agreed
with you too.
They gave you a B-plus for thatselection 72 on their big board
.
Harvey ranks well in PFFs winsabove average metric due to high
missed tackles, forced averagesas a rusher and a receiver and

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his production in the passinggame.
If he plays with more urgencyand violence, he could be a very
productive NFL running back.
So, yeah, solid selection there.
But, jay, let's get back to you.
I believe that was your finalpick in the third round and
we'll move into the fourth, sothis is where you certainly want

(57:08):
to start finding value.
When it comes to the depth ofyour team, where did you go and
what position did you address inthe fourth round?
This is pick 107.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Yeah, I took a page out of Mia O'Brien's book.
I stole this one from Mia, soshout outs to Mia.
And I think I got a little bitbetter value than her with the
pick, because I got and I don'twant to butcher his name, but
it's Oluwafemi Aladejo, fromUCLA Edge player.

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I got him at pick number 107.
Mia took him at 70.
So, like the value was there Ihate to sound like Trent Baalke
by saying that, but the valuewas there.
And so, yeah, she kind of wrotesomething about him on 1010XL
because, admittedly, he's onethat I have to watch a little
bit of film on.

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But just in a nutshell, right,she thinks he fits the and this
is something that we'll stressoften too.
Phil, talk about the unknownand what we don't know about
James Gladstone.
One thing we do know aboutJames Gladstone and he said this
many, many times they wantprospects who are intangibly

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rich, and me o'brien considersum oladejo intangibly rich.
Um, he's a guy that he was anoff-ball linebacker, um,
initially, and then he made themove to edge and he made a heavy
impact as an edge rusher.
You know, as you've alluded toin your draft, you have him, to

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your credit, going with AbdulCarter first overall.
So you got that edge beingaddressed real early way,
earlier than I do.
But, yeah, an edge three isneeded, you know.
So they do need somebody behindJosh Hines Allen, behind Trayvon
Walker, because after them thesacks were scarce, right, and
you probably could pull uptheines Allen behind Trayvon
Walker, because after them thesacks were scarce, right, and

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you probably could pull up thestats, phil, of how many sacks
were accounted for on this teamthat weren't those two players.
But yeah, it's a big time needand again, the Jacksonville
Jaguars have alluded to this isthey and it is specifically
Gladstone is they probably aregoing to rely on a lot of young
players on the edge and togenerate pass rush for this team

(59:25):
.
So, in that regard, I thinkthis was a great pick and you
know you get somebody to developbehind Josh Hines Allen,
trayvon Walker, for them to takeunder their wing and, yeah, you
know you could get a guy whoprobably, right off the rip, is
your edge three because, um, I'mblanking on what the depth
chart looks behind them, butit's not great.

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So they definitely need toaddress this early, whether it's
first, you know, overall, or inthe first round, like you did
with abdul carter, or later downthe road in the fourth round,
like I did, and people couldargue I might have waited a
little too late.
But here we are.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
AJ guess, who hosted Oladejo on a visit.
We already talked about himearlier who was that?
Philadelphia.
So again, if Howie Roseman ispaying attention, just pay
attention to that guy.
Just put him on your board andcircle that guy as someone to

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keep an eye on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Just follow.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Howie's lead bro.
That was back on the 28th, asSports Illustrated reported,
that the Eagles were hosting OlaDejo on a visit.
So yeah, lots of really solidfeedback on him If you just do a
quick search.
Like you mentioned, a guy whotransitioned from stand-up
linebacker to edge rusher andthat is where he will, I think,

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make his money in the NFL.
113 on the PFF board.
While Oladejo offers apositional versatility, an NFL
team will get the best return oninvestment by keeping him at
edge defender.
Oladejo's athleticism,explosiveness and long arms are
a nice foundation and it appearshis best years as a pass rusher
are still ahead of him.

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So yeah, solid pickup there inthe fourth round.
Um, and, as you mentioned, ifMia had him going you know 40
picks before this or 30 picksbefore this or so then that's a
really, really good value there.
I continued the trend, jay, atpick 107, with giving Trevor
Lawrence some weapons and I wentwith tight end.
Of course, with the departureof Evan Ingram, a lot of

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pressure is going to be put onBrenton Strange, who a lot of
people are very high on.
They did sign two more veterantight ends Hunter Long and
Johnny Munt.
Those guys are probably notgoing to be long term solutions.
So I went with a guy that I'dseen pop up on our buddy Daniel

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Griffith's feed and that istight end Harold Fannin Jr out
of Bowling Green.
Jay, I sent you a clip of himjust absolutely blowing by
multiple Texas A&M defenders andthen talking about some of the
statistics.
He put up against some big-timecompetition such as Penn State.
Put up against some big timecompetition such as Penn State.

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He's number 103 on the PFFboard and I got him here at pick
number 107.
Says here Fannin is a strongreceiving tight end with great
value after the catch.
His blocking reps are goodenough to keep him in line as a
tight end too, or a wing back onoccasion, but his bread and

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butter and in the NFL will be asa tight end who you can quickly
get the ball to after the catchproduction in a tight end
centric passing attack.
So yeah, jay, a guy like I saidthat's been circled on some of
our our good friends lists and Ifound really great value for
him here at pick one, oh seven.
So this seemed to be a guy thatyou really weren't too familiar

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with until you know I westarted talking about who our
selections were going to be.
So Harold Fannin Jr.
This is a guy that you thinkyou're going to.
You're going to find yourselfmaybe looking into a little bit
more.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Yeah, one of the things I noticed when you sent
me the clip, of course you knowI was sent me the clip, um, of
course you know I was on thefloor when I saw him juke one db
twice like a number.
You know what.
I want to put the guy's numberout there from texas, I don't
even want to do him like that,but he juke.
Everybody know the clip I'mtalking about.
He juked the defensive backtwice.

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But one thing I noticed too hehad a little bit more like
wiggle than I was expecting forsomebody that tall and he, yeah,
he was extremely tall.
So, uh, yeah, I'll be lookinginto him as well.
Bowling Green has hadinteresting prospects.
I talked about this with you,phil um, over time.
You know they haven't had a lotof people drafted to the NFL,

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but when they have, you knowthey've been very interesting
prospects.
So, yeah, I'll check him out.
Um, I think what I will sayabout the tight end position,
and probably me and you probablydrafted tight ends, maybe a
little too late, but we'll see.
We'll see where out they go.
But I think, like with LiamCohen's scheme, you know what

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they probably are looking for is, you know, they don't
necessarily need Evan Ingramright, and I think this is
important to mention becausewhen you look at his scheme,
like they mostly the tight endsthat they had in Tampa Bay they
used like to do the dirty workright, like that, tight ends
that can help them in the rungame Maybe that's why they ran
the ball so well.
They had extra help there andpeople that do the grittyitty

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work like their tight endsdidn't have to be these, you
know, insane receiving threats,right.
So we'll see.
Um, I have to do some film onhim to see, like what he offers
as a blocker.
But all of that being said,yeah, I do think it's going to
be a difference in what thisregime looks for at that
position as opposed to what thelast regime looked for.

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I mean, as we all know, like,evan is a phenomenal receiver,
but every time we seen himtrying to help or we saw him
should I say try to help in therun game, it wasn't pretty right
.
So I think that's probably whypart of the reason why he's not
here is because when you look atwhat Tampa Bay had at that
position and what Evan Ingramwas is a stark difference there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
So I think like, yeah , the key there is just finding
you somebody who can, who canblock well and give you that
extra, you know set of help inthe run game yeah, absolutely,
and I, you know, I believe, if Irecall correctly, definitely
going with you know guys thatare at the higher end of the
board at this point to get a PFFgrade of an A for this

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selection.
So, oh, also Jay, you know thisis probably a little
embarrassing.
People are probably yelling atthe, you know, at their phones
or wherever they're listeningright now.
All Harold Fannin Jr did lastyear, jay, was lead all
conferences in receiving yardswith 1,555.
Nice, nice, I don't know, Idon't know what the Bowling

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Green offensive weapons looklike, but 117 catches, 1,500
yards and 10 touchdowns ispretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
It's insane.
That is insane.
I mean, hey, look, look, heshowed up on film against texas
a and them.
So it wasn't just the people inthat conference like,
apparently, like this was likethe routine for him maybe yeah,
so maybe a guy to keep an eye on.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
As far as you know, whoever gets him, um, that that
will.
They'll get a tremendous valuethere.
To go with another pick of mine, pick 123 here in the fourth
round I took LSU cornerback ZaiAlexander.
This is another guy that I'veseen our buddy Daniel Griffith
circle as far as some of his youknow, some of the numbers is
for, when you look at the RASscore, nothing that's going to

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really jump off of the screen,but from what I could gather,
jay, a guy that's just verybalanced.
He's number 148 on the boardfor pff, they say.
Alexander is a fundamentallysound cover corner whose limited
athleticism will likely makehim either a zone specific
cornerback or a potential safetyconvert due to how reliable he

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is when tackling and in rundefense.
So you just talked about ithere just a moment ago in terms
of just depth, having a guy, Imean, who's not necessarily,
admittedly, like the bestathlete, but a guy that could be
maybe dependent upon to playmultiple positions and help out
in situation.
Now is round four a little bittoo early for that, probably.
But again, going with peoplethat we trust and people that

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whose opinions that I respect,and slotting a guy here where,
in a position of need, certainly, even though he may not jump
off the screen in terms of whatwe're seeing in, you know, in
things that aren't tape, youknow, like, just when you're
looking at the numbers, you'rebreaking down things in the
pre-draft process.
Maybe not a guy that's going tojump off that way but, like I

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said, a guy that I've seen popup from some of the people that
we trust.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Yeah, alexander, again, these late round guys.
We'll watch a little bit morefilm on afterwards, but what I
will say is this man, alexander,is coming from the wide
receiver capital of the world.
So, that being said, he'spracticed against the best over
time, right?
Brian Thomas Jr last year, ifthat is, if Alexander was there

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last year, because I know a lotof these kids transfer like more
than they used to.
But I mean, you talk aboutpeople like Brian Thomas Jr that
have come through there and allof these other receivers as
well, in terms of just in thepassing game in general, that
have come through there, and allof these other receivers as
well, in terms of and just inthe passing game in general,
that have come through lsu.
I'm sure he's well battletested and to get a kid like

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that fourth round right, I thinkthat is a good thing to get at.
You know, at that point of thedraft as well.
And, um, yeah, again, just kindof saying what I was saying
earlier, they do need to addsome depth to that room, you
know, and you know as early aspossible, because they've dealt
with injuries there the guys onthe back end, obviously, you

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know they're more so back endand special teams, guys like
your buster browns of the world.
But all of that being said, man, I agree with you going with a
cornerback here.
I mean, looks like our themeand our pattern were along the
same, like mindset right fixingthat defensive back room, which
you have, alexander and NickImanwari.

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Getting a receiver for TrevorLawrence, which you did, adding
a half back to develop, you know, because of the Travis Etienne
situation.
And fixing pass rusher numberthree, which you did without
dual Carter, which is youknocked that out of the park.
So yeah, man, I will watch someof Zai Alexander, but I

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wouldn't be shocked if I'mimpressed by him, just for the
simple fact he's practicedagainst the best during his time
at LSU.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Yeah, it looks like he was a transfer, but he had
two seasons at southeasternLouisiana but then transferred
to LSU in 2023, so obviouslygood enough for LSU to circle
and bring them, bring him intotheir program.
So, uh, you know, maybe a guyto keep an eye on.

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But, jay, let's get to yourfinal fourth round pick here.
This is pick 126, and, lo andbehold, another name that I am
very familiar with and a guythat I would once again be very
happy to hear his name calledfor the Jacksonville Jaguars on
draft night.
Who you got here?

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Yeah, I went with your guy, Gunner the Stunner,
Gunner Helm, who I know I justmentioned.
You know the JacksonvilleJaguars probably are looking for
people and I could probablyrely on you more so for this
that are better blockers thanthey are pass catchers.
But you know I was just goingbest available player at this
point, I do notice.
But you know I was just goingbest available player at this

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point, I do notice.
You know, a lot of the timesI've seen Gunnar Helm showing
out was in the passing game.
He has soft hands for sure guythat'll go up and high pointed
over everybody.
So you know, if you're lookingfor an athlete at this position,
at the tight end positionthat's, you know good value to
get at that point in the draftwhere I got him.
But yeah, a guy, battle tested,has seen the best of the best

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defensively, your Georgias ofthe world, your South Carolinas
of the world, whatever the casemay be.
So I went with him therebecause I mean, I do think
they're going to add some helpto that room.
They have guys who can helpthem in the regard of blocking
right.
We already named them BrentonStrange the gentleman, the two

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guys they picked up in freeagency that I'm blanking on.
So, yeah, why not add you?
You know a guy that's anathlete there that can help you
in regards to the passing game.
But I would not be shocked ifthey still kind of gravitate, if
they get one more tight endtowards those guys that can help
them get another body to helpin the run game.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Yeah, gunnar Helm became that safety blanket for
Quinn Ewers at Texas and a guywho I think would just be
incredibly reliable.
Do I think he'll ever be youknow that superstar tight end
one?
No, but I think he could be.
He could be a guy that coulddefinitely start for you in
situations for a short amount oftime and a really good tight

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end to the 120 on the PFF board.
Helm has worked his way intobecoming one of the class's best
after the catch tight ends.
He isn't the strongest runblocker but he does have good
feet and pass protection.
Getting stronger would give himmore opportunities as tight end
two with starting potential, sohigh character guy that I know
trevor would be very, very happyto have here in jacksonville.

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Jay, let's get to the latterhalf of the draft.
Let me do this here really quickbecause I only have one more
pick, um, and then you can kindof rattle off your fifth, sixth
and seventh round picks, becausethe last pick I had 123 was I.
Alexander was another one ofthose selections I got in that
Pittsburgh trade back in thethird round.
So let me just rattle off mylast fourth round pick because

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it's a guy that you're going totalk about here actually in just
a moment, and I took SethMcLaughlin here from Ohio State
Center and this is actually whoyour next pick is going to be in
the fifth round, so I probablyreach for him a little bit.
But again, when I'm getting tothese later rounds, there's I'm
not really familiar with withmany of these players.
Now Seth McLaughlin, I believe,is coming off of an injury, so

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this is another guy on on ourlists that did have some injury
issues in 2024.
But what do you know about Sethand what do you think about
bringing him in here as a guythat could fill in, possibly in
the long-term role, maybe on theinterior of the line?

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Yeah, I kind of took the same route as you, just
going best available player.
Again, a lot of these lateround guys I haven't seen, but I
did dig up some on PFF on himhere.
Best available player, eventhough, again, a lot of these
late round guys I haven't seen,but I did dig up some on pff on
them here.
Uh, but yeah, it saysmclaughlin played over 1 800
snaps and I think what they'retrying to say is with alabama it
might be a typo uh, beforetransferring to ohio state and

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winning the remington award forthe nation's best center.
So you're talking about a guywho has been praised on a
national level as the nation'sbest center Through his grading
profile was closer above toaverage than elite.
So I mean, that's what you'reapproximately what you're
getting when you're picking thispoint in the draft.
Right, it's players that arekind of average and not

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necessarily elite unless theyhave character issues.
Is players that are kind ofaverage and not necessarily
elite unless they have characterissues.
And he says he has hisextensive big game experience is
an asset.
That's something that we needhere.
Is people that have been in themoment.
Right, he's played against yourMichigans of the world, all of
these other teams.
But, yeah, he has big gameexperience, even though he was
hurt through the playoffs priorto that.

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You know he played in big games.
So you know we need those guyswho have been in the moment he
is a guy again.
You know you could develop interms of an offensive lineman, a
developmental offensive lineman.
I mean, I know they have LukeFortner and that Liam Cohen
worked with Luke Fortner atKentucky, but still, man, I

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think, like competition is thename of the game for that
offensive line because, as we'veseen, we've had to play a lot
of backup offensive linemen andwhen we played them it hadn't
been pretty.
So how do you fix that?
Well, you put competition thereright.
Not only do you push thestarters but you push the
backups too and you get betterresults when you have to fill in

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a guy on that offensive line.
That was your number two oryour number three and, um, you
know, I think we definitelycould see this team even triple
dip at offensive line.
Uh, if that's even some of theguys that they are, some of the
picks that they have later inthe draft that they use towards
it.
But I am am expecting them tobuild competition for that

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offensive line and to help thedepth, in addition to bolstering
the starting offensive line aswell.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Yeah, once again going back to the well of guys
that have been with winningprograms.
Look at the schools you'vedrafted from here.
Jay, ohio State this would bethe third Ohio State prospect
Two Texas prospects so far NotreDame and then Georgia, and
we'll throw UCLA in there forgood measure as far as talking

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about big-time schools.
So, yeah, I would certainly beokay with this, you know
anything, to maybe get LukeFortner up out of here, even if
this is a guy that's coming offan injury.
So you got a couple of picksleft here for sixth and seventh
round, if you want to just talkabout those really quick before
we wrap up for the episode andthen just kind of recap the

(01:16:54):
whole draft overall.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Yeah, man, I went with Kyle McCord with my next
pick.
And let me, I want to pull upthe overall number.
That was pick number 182.
I think that's one of the onesI got out of the trade, or no?
That was one of our originalpicks, I guess.
So I got Kyle McCordquarterback from Syracuse.

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Doesn't hurt to grab aquarterback late in the draft if
one is available, and developthem.
So yeah, I went with KyleMcCord there Again, I'll have to
watch some film on him.
But he had his best yearstatistically, when you look at
PFF, at least grade wise, interms of 2024, he graded at a
90.5.
So I mean to get that late inthe draft.

(01:17:40):
You know you can't beat that.
And again, we we know TrevorLawrence Wright has had injuries
to deal with.
You know, hopefully we'll don'thave to deal with that this
year or in the future.
But you know you just can neverbe too prepared at the
quarterback position because younever know your QB2 might have
to step up.
And then you know if Trevor isnot there you have to have a

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backup for the QB2.
So, all of that said, I wentwith Kyle McCord from Syracuse.
And then, the last pick, I wentwith a guy that you were
probably familiar with, jakeMajors.
He was available at that pointin the draft.
He was, I think he is number221 on the big board and that's

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where I got him at pick number221.
So, like the value was eventhere, again, a kid that's
battle tested, that has, youknow, lined up against your
Georges of the world and NazirStackhouse and all of these
studs that you've seen on theGeorgia line and that you've
seen on the rest of these SEClines.
So you get a battle-tested kidthere to add more competition

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right to that offensive line.
Again, I would not be mad if weinvested two late round picks
into the offensive line just forthe competition aspect of it,
because again, when we've had toput in our number twos, they
haven't been great and somethingneeds to be done.
They're not just the front line, the number one offensive

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starting line, but the backupsas well.
A whole stir up needs to happenwith this offensive line in
general and I think Liam Cohenwill look to do that.
And players that represent goodvalue like that at the end of
the draft are, you know, guys,that they can pick up and try
and develop over time.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Yeah, I don't know too much about Kyle McCord but I
will speak on Jake Majors.
If you got him at pick 221 inthe seventh round, that would
again be just a great value.
I know people are probablyconfused about taking two
centers, like you did here, jay,in the later rounds and with
round five and round seven.
But you know you do want to tryand find guys that are maybe a

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little bit versatile and I thinkJake Majors could be a starter
one day.
I don't know Again, I don'tknow enough about Seth
McLaughlin and his skill set,but if these are guys that can
be versatile and you can movearound as far as in the interior
, then really, really good valueat both round five and round

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seven.
So let's get to a quick recaphere.
Let's go through Jay's picksfirst.
Once again he traded out ofpick number five with the
Arizona Cardinals back to pick16 to draft Ohio State wide
receiver Emeka Agbuka and inthat pick he also picked up
their second round pick, a thirdround pick and then round two

(01:20:30):
and four picks in 2026.
In round two with pick 36, wentback to Ohio State with
defensive lineman TyleekWilliams, pick number 47.
In the second round he wentwith Notre Dame cornerback
Benjamin Morrison, round three,pick 70,.
He took.
Tate Ratledge out of Georgia,round three, pick 78,.
Safety Andrew Makuba out ofTexas, Pick 88,.

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Ucf running back, rj Harvey,pick 107.
In the fourth round, oluwafemiOladejo out of UCLA.
Edge rusher, tight end GunnarHelm out of Texas, with pick 126
in the fourth round.
Getting to the fifth round,ohio State center Seth
McLaughlin, and then the sixthround quarterback Kyle McCord
out of Syracuse, and then JakeMajor is heading back to UT with

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pick 221.
So so, jay, three Texas pickshere.
I don't know if you're tryingto make me happy, but I am very
much okay with this mock draftThree Ohio State players as well
, and then you see Notre Dame,ucla and UCF and Syracuse
represented as well.
I only did the first four roundshere.
Abdul Carter fell to me at picknumber five, so I just had to

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make that selection there.
Nicky Manwari at pick number 36.
Pff hated it, but we did not.
Kyle Williams, wide receiverout of Washington State, pick
number 83 in the third round.
Five picks later.
Damian Martinez running backout of Miami, florida, pick
number 47,.
Tight end to Harold Fannin Jrout of Bowling Green, and then,

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rounding out the fourth round ZyAlexander, pick 123, cornerback
out of LSU.
And then I also had SethMcLaughlin here, pick 126 in
round four.
Pff gave me a B grade here onthose picks that I selected.
And, jay, they gave you an A.
So what really brought me downwas that Nick Emanwari draft.
I think I was probably trendingtowards a B plus or maybe even

(01:22:25):
an A grade like you, but theyjust really didn't like that
pick.
But I'm very happy with both ofthese mocks.
We'll get these out on socialmedia as well.
But, yeah, how you feeling, jay, as far as how the board fell
for both of us.
I think there are aspects ofboth of these drafts.
If you kind of put themtogether, both of these mocks, I
should say we would come awayfrom the draft weekend very,

(01:22:47):
very happy yeah, man, um, yeah,I am happy where where we are
with these drafts now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Admittedly, I just would have have liked to, um, do
a little bit more homework onthe late round guys.
But again, you know we're busy,man, like what can you do,
right?
So, yeah, again I'll go backand I'll look at some film on a
lot of these guys that we got inthe late rounds so I can
provide some analysis on them aswe get closer to the draft.

(01:23:14):
But, yeah, man, I think PFFdefinitely degraded you a little
too harshly there, like thatEamon Worry pick, like I don't
know, man.
But then again, we've said thisyou know, pff sometimes don't
see things in the same lens aswe do, right, and you know,
sometimes we've been right whenwe viewed a player differently
than them and higher than them,and sometimes we've been wrong,

(01:23:37):
so it's been the other wayaround, you know.
So, all of that said man, yeah,man, I can't wait to start
doing my homework on these lateround picks so I can like start
like putting out a little bit ofanalysis on them and also, I
mean I probably what I'll end updoing.
I'll probably do one more mockonce I, you know, evaluate the
players that we have and see ifI can get some better fits later

(01:23:59):
in the draft.
But yeah, man, as always, it'salways fun to talk about the
draft, man.
Always fun to heat up thesesimulators, man, because we
didn't have these back in theday, we used to have to do this
on pencil and paper and pen andpaper, whatever the case may be.
So, to heat up these simulators, man, it's always a fun little

(01:24:19):
exercise to do.
And yeah, man, I can't wait togive you all more draft coverage
heading forward yeah, we lovedraft season.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Hopefully, like I said, we are going to aim to put
out one more episode, uh, rightbefore the draft on the 24th,
and typically we also record onthe evening of the draft as well
.
So, um, we'll have to figurethat out as far as um recording
schedule and uh, everything likethat.
But we'll be, we'll make sureto get up some content as soon

(01:24:48):
as possible.
But, jay, anything else youwant to mention to our audience
before we get out of here forthe evening?

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
now I just, um, as I said, expect that big board,
probably tonight, um, to get up,and then we'll probably, um, I
want to do like a few scoutreports on common players that
are mocked to the drag wars, youknow, mason Graham, abdul
Carter, travis Hunter, so on andso forth, just to give people
something to already be on thesite for draft day um, that they

(01:25:19):
can refer to in terms of, like,a analysis on the players that
we could take in round one.
So you know, I want to do thatas well.
Of course, as I said, I'll doone more mock draft as well,
like with maybe you know somebetter fits after I evaluate my
current mock draft.
But yeah, man, I can't wait.
Man, draft season is always fun.

(01:25:39):
Yeah, man, I can't wait, man,draft season is always fun.
And yeah, man, just stay tunedto our social media, the website
, as we get you all ready foranother draft and, more
importantly, the first draftwithout Trent Baalke in that
room, and I cannot wait to seethe results, just for that fact
alone.
All right, phil, you can wrapit up.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
What a time.
What a time.
We did not think it went out.
We didn't even know if we weregoing to be here.
As far as touchdown Jags, atthis point we're recording on
Saturday evening, april 12th whoknows what we would have been
doing if Trent Balky were stillaround?
Who is our coach in thatuniverse?
Who?
What happened?
We don't ever want to know.
But, folks, thank you so muchfor joining us again here on

(01:26:25):
Touchdown Jaguars and forsticking with us throughout the
the sporadic uploads.
But we are.
We're definitely going to tryour best and get back in a
manageable schedule.
So you want to make sure tokeep up with us over on social
media.
Find the Linktree link in theshow notes of the episodes.
Find Jay at Sports Grindunderscore Don and myself at
Phil the FilipinoF-I-L-I-P-I-N-O, and check out
that website Touchdown Jaguarsfor continuous draft coverage as

(01:26:46):
we pump that out over here onour end.
Folks, that is my co-host,james Johnson, and I am Phil
Smith, and do not forget to tunein to Touchdown Jaguars for
every Jaguar touchdown and wewill see you next time.
You guys, be safe.

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