Episode 119: Regular Season Preview with Dilla

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We welcome special guest Dilla to discuss the upcoming Jaguars season and all the recent changes to the team, from front office makeovers to roster moves and new coaching philosophies.

• The front office transformation from Trent Baalke to James Gladstone has dramatically changed team culture and strategy
• Trevor Lawrence looks mechanically improved with faster processing and better decision-making in the pocket
• Liam Coen's modern offense features pre-snap motion and "gotcha plays" that create easy opportunities for success
• The running back room is stacked with talent, though Etienne likely won't return after this season despite his scheme fit
• Gladstone's approach to roster building prioritizes meritocracy over draft status or contract considerations
• The Jaguars have positioned themselves well for continued improvement with approximately 11-12 draft picks next year
• Jacksonville's stadium plans and downtown development represent growth for both the team and community
• The team has a more physical identity in practice and preseason than in previous years

Make sure to follow Dilla on Twitch here: https://www.twitch.tv/boldtakepod

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Speaker 2 (00:24):
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Speaker 3 (00:55):
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Speaker 2 (00:59):
Jaguars, Welcome to the Touchdown Jaguars podcast.
Here are your hosts, JamesJohnson and Phil Smith.
All right, Touchdown Jaguarsaudience.
Thank you so much for joiningus here this week.
We are on the cusp of theregular season beginning and Jay

(01:20):
and I knew that, in order tojust garner some more excitement
and get ready for the regularseason, we had to call in a very
special guest.
So we were able to do that herethis evening and we are very,
very excited to have Dilla here.
You guys know him, you guyslove him.
Dilla, thank you so much formaking the time.
We were chopping it up beforewe got started.
All of us are very busy, soreally we thank you so much for

(01:41):
coming on here tonight.
How are you?

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Hey man, I'm great.
I appreciate you guys forhaving me on first off, really
excited for this season.
I think the content creatorsare going to enjoy this season a
lot.
So for everybody dropping by,make sure you guys subscribe to
the boys.
Let's get it.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, absolutely, speaking of the content creation
, how is the streaming going?
I know you did did like asecond half stream, the other
the other night, uh, for the,the preseason game that I guess
you know some of us werewatching and some of us were
doing other things, but how?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
is that?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
how's that all going over on the twitch channel?

Speaker 3 (02:13):
um, so it's going.
I mean it's going great.
I think having like 300 peoplejump onto your twitch stream is
like pretty significant yeah,for sure it's.
It's different than you know,like radio listens or podcast
streams, so getting folks overthere is pretty cool.
I do plan on kind of likeevolving and growing something
new.
Bold Take is still going to bethe brand that's around, but Cap

(02:34):
is an extremely busy fella, I'man extremely busy fella and
like getting those two dudeslinked up on the same schedule
is kind of tough.
So he'll still be around.
He'll still, of course, him andthe boys over at DTWD Originals
and everything else Bull CityBrigade, all the way back.
You see it on the shirt.
You can't go wrong with theboys.
Everyone's got a lot of coolstuff going on, so there will be

(02:56):
stuff coming.
Most of it will be on Twitch,but I'll definitely be jumping
around hopping on these podcastsand then probably spend a
little time on 1010XL, if thingsgo the way we hope they do.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, absolutely, you've been doing a little bit
of everything.
But before we talk about, likethe Jaguar stuff you know, just
to kind of get a question as faras you know being a content
creator in general, I'm curiousbecause I have so many projects
and I got Touchdown Jaguars, Igot WayForward, I've started
doing voice acting, I still dosome stand-up, jay also has his
gaming channel and running theTikTok and stuff.

(03:29):
How do you qualify yourself?
Do you feel like you're in onecamp as far as a content creator
?

Speaker 3 (03:40):
And then also managing the DTWD brand.
How Me personally, it's all funfor me.
The second anything, uh,becomes like it feels like work
or a chore.
Um, I step back, which is why,sometimes, like the content
comes and goes.
So I think, like I don'tgenuinely call myself a content
creator.
I think I have an audience and abrand through twitter that I

(04:01):
have the like it's kind of ablessing and a curse.
I have the ability to like dothings here and there and have
enough interest in it where it'sworth it for me, but also like
worth it for the people who comethrough.
So, um, I think you guys arelike way cooler, way better at
all this stuff that you do likeyou guys is the way just how
organized you are, just from uschopping it up before, like you
said, uh to what I see now andthe way you guys sound online

(04:25):
like I mean anytime anyonespends on either of y'all like
you guys have been doing thisfor a long time under different
names.
You know what I mean, so it'salways good quality stuff.
I think that you guys are youand a lot of other people are in
a league of their own.
I'm just lucky enough to havethe following to have some fun
with it.
I genuinely think I'm like aamateur creator.
I don't think too highly ofmyself, but I do think that it's

(04:46):
cool that enough people carewhat I have to say, that you
guys think it's, you know, worthhaving me on.
So it's, it's pretty coolfeeling.
I really enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, I think what it is, jay and maybe you can speak
to this is, as far as you like,obviously just part of Jaguar
Twitter from afar at first, LikeI think it really is just an
authenticity, and it's not justfrom you but also all of the
Jaguar content creators.
Like we are a small market.
There aren't as many of us, andthen me, having lived in Dallas
and comparing it from likeDallas and here, you can just

(05:17):
kind of pick up a sense of likeI don't know, like there are
some people's like their hearts,not as in it, but with us it's
like, you know, jay, there's solittle of us compared to a
Dallas, compared to a biggermarket, that I think that's why
there are so many like solidcontent creators, you know.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Right right, and part of it too is probably just with
that within that small niche ofpeople, also to, the Jaguars
have done so much wrong that weare very educated as well.
We've seen it all right, likewe've literally seen everything

(06:08):
that a franchise, even thoughthey're one of the youngest
franchises in terms of how longthey've been around, within that
since what?
95, we've seen pretty mucheverything, so like.
I think a key to it too is notonly are we authentic, but one
thing you find out is it's easyto point out the ones that know
their stuff in terms of uh, ithelps, it helps with the
identifying factor of it, ifthat makes sense I think that's
like right on the head and Ithink that's why the group is so
forward, or you know what Imean.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Like the people know who who make the good content.
That's where people go back andlisten, because if you've done
it for as long as most of ushave, you gotta have some kind
of some passion, some kind ofyou know something that's that
makes you crazy enough to returnand and get nothing back over
and over and over again and doit for the love of the game,
like truly, because they've beenso poor lately.

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And I think that's why, like,as we get closer to the season
and what we've seen from the newfront office and the new head
coach and the improvements fromthe quarterback, like we might
actually be in in for somethingcool.
Like people that don't live inJacksonville don't realize how
exciting 500 football is for us,because we know that means that
we got a shot for the playoffsin the AFC South.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, for sure.
There's always a nice buzz inthe city and, having been here
for so long, everyone's just ina better mood when the team is
at least watchable.
We're very excited to have youon for a bunch of reasons, but
you're also a really good person, I think, to have a good pulse
on the fan base and how they'refeeling, especially, like you

(07:34):
said, when you have youraudience come in and hang out
with you on Twitch.
And what do you think is theoverall morale within the fan
base now that we're here withoutTrent and Doug?
I unfortunately made thedecision to for a couple of
reasons.
One I canceled my seasontickets after they didn't
announce that they weren'tgetting rid of Trambolke Like I

(07:56):
got on the phone that day andalso for just financial reasons,
unfortunately.
So what is your feeling?
Like I said, what's your pulsein the fan base now that we're
moving forward from that era?

Speaker 3 (08:06):
yeah, I mean overall, I think.
So we let's take it back.
Doug peterson gets fired noone's surprised, but we're all
sitting there like all right,where's the other one?
And there was already startingto leaks that bulky safe, bulky
safe before the official dougpeterson one came out.
So the news finally comes outthat he's staying.
We watched that awful zoom pressconference with you know

(08:28):
shotgun and uh, trent Baalkenext to each other and it just
was like lame duck city and Ithink that was like genuinely
the lowest point in mostpeople's fandom.
That was like we're signing upfor another year, another years,
another.
We're wasting the quarterbackthat we think we might have
moving forward because we'rehitching our wagon to this guy

(08:51):
and then we get that complete180.
Right.
So everyone's initially excitedwhen stuff like a new coach
happens, because you get a newlife, you get, you know, you get
rejuvenated.
Everything that you hated aboutthe team is gone, so it's like
fresh start.
Let's see what happens.
The interesting thing about thisperiod we just lost our third
preseason game.

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No one cares, right, becausewhen the starters play, we see
something different, things wehaven't seen in the past.
The offense makes sense.
It looks like it's 2025.
We're not running a 2017offense anymore.
There's motion, we haveplaymakers, but when you bring
all that together, for the firsttime in a long time, the head

(09:34):
coach seems like he knows what'sgoing on completely on both
sides of the football.
When they talk about gettingbetter, we see it within seven
days on the tv.
They're better.
The defense was so bad.
The first preseason game, peoplewere arguing with each other
online and then you look into,you know, the third preseason
game and our second and thirdstring defense has two are

(09:56):
running for his life.
I mean, that actually happened.
Like this is what we're likewatching happen.
We're seeing the action meet,meet what's happening, said.
I're seeing the action meetwhat's being said.
I guess the actions are meetingwhat's being said in the press
conference.
So I think everyone's on like 90, because I think if we win that
first game, you'll see us hitlike 110.
Like 100 won't even be likeenough to explain where we're

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going to be, but everyone's likecautiously optimistic, plus
plus.
You know what I'm saying Likewe've all been hurt so many
times that there's no reason tonot lean in now because it might
not ever be as good as this is.
Um.
So overall, I do thinkeveryone's ready.
I mean, we're looking at, notthis weekend but next week, and
it's it's jaguars footballagainst carolina panthers and I

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think you're gonna see where thefavorites at vegas, I believe,
and I think you're gonna see theJaguars win the football game.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, people also fired up too because the
Panthers started chirping.
And it's like it's so strangebecause I don't have any problem
with the Panthers, they're oursister franchise essentially and
it's like why are y'all comingfor us?
I root for y'all whenever wedon't play, so you know people

(11:06):
are definitely ready for that.
So, like jay, it's like then,where did this come from?
Why bryce young had you know helooked great at the end of the
season.
That's, that's good for you,I'm happy for you guys.
But like, why are you comingfor us now?

Speaker 1 (11:13):
I don't understand well, speak for yourself,
because the georgia boy in mealso hates the panthers right,
that's true yeah.
so, like you know, I neverreally had this affinity for him
or whatever the case may be.
Oh, that, the way you give themthat little bit of glimmer of

(11:47):
hope and they think they'regoing to the Super Bowl, they
could take on anybody, despite,you know, liam having the
success that he had last year.
But yeah, dilla, I have aquestion here about the ETN
situation, about the uh, etnsituation.

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Me and phil never really put alot into trading etn because
he's got one year left on hisdeal, right, like, at this point
it feels like you might as wellkeep him.
But what's your sense of whatthey'll do there?
Again, we don't think he'll gettraded and we never really put
that much into it.
Um, but that room is kind ofloaded, by the way.
You know, like that that's thething.
Like we're sitting here likehaving conversations of like

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what are they going to do withTootin and Allen, right, like,
who's going to be inactive?
You know, like, and that, Iguess, is a good problem to have
, especially for this offense,so like I won't exactly complain
about that.
But that being said, man, uh,how are you feeling about etn
trade?
Do you think that'll happen ormaybe it'll be something that'll

(12:51):
happen, I think what the tradedeadline is november, somewhere
down the road there.
Or do you think they just stickit out with him because I think
he I mean, I think he's a goodfit for the offense personally,
but you know there are somepeople like, hey, you know, get
him out of here and let's seewhat the young guns have yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
So I think you hit the nail on the head in terms of
fit and I think that that's whythey're not going to trade him
now.
I wouldn't be surprised if hewas traded tomorrow.
I would be surprised if he wascut, but with etn, because of
his fit, I think he's.
He's safe, right, we, we sawhim.
I mean he still runs like he'srunning on Legos through the
hole.
He's left and right, but he'sgetting big gains, right.

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And when it comes to thepassing offense that the Jaguars
are supposed to have, tankBigsby doesn't offer that at all
, right.
So then we look at thecontracts between the two.
Like you said, it's ETN's lastyear.
With this price point, you'regetting a seventh round pick,

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right.
If anything, it's probably aseventh round pick.
And does that seem like it'sworth having over what you can
get out of etn, when the headcoach is literally speaking
about attrition?
And he's the best fit, right.
So then we look at the twoyounger guys.
They're they're both locks tomake the team tootin and laquan
right.
Both of them had great, greatpreseasons.
One of them's fantastic onthird down passing situations.
He's a great pass blocker.
Tootin extremely positiverunning the ball, I think before

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this last game I guess hedidn't play this last game he
had like 18 carries.
I think 17 were for positiveyards, one of them was for no
gain and zero were for negative.
That's incredible football whenyou think about where the
Jaguars offensive line has been,which has led to the running
game being really poor.
But we take it back to thosetwo.
I don't see why at this point,with what Etienne's shown he's

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shown that he's good enough toplay in the offense.
He's a great fit for theoffense I don't think they're
going to trade him.
It doesn't sound like, fromwhat I've heard, that they're
locked in and locked on withthat.
I do think that if someone getstraded it's Bigsby.
I think you can get like a sixround pick for him, but I think
it's closer to the tradedeadline.
Jags are going to head into theseason with all four of those
guys.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, I'm with you on that, man, I agree.
And yeah, you kind of hit thenail on the head with something
else too, in terms of you, youknow all four of them, I, you
know, like my little nephewshout outs to him.
You know he was saying he canenvision alan not making the
team and I was like I don't,that's not happening, man, I
think like he really in in myeyes, I think alan to me, is the

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successor for etn when he'sgone to me, like that's how I
see alan.
Um and tootin might be thesuccess for a successor of
bakesby, more so to speak, butthen again, bakesby has more
time than etn left here, sowe'll see how that works out.
But uh, yeah, no, I agree withyou, man and um.
You know me and jamal saintshere talked about man, like with

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how good they are fits in thisoffense.
And also two people some peopleforget about the running back
position.
We now live in a day and agewhere it's 17 games now Right,
and I can remember going this isa while back, going back as far
as it was Leonard Fournette andhis first rookie year saying
like this is insane, like thatwas before we had 16, 17 games.

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He was like dude, like I don'tsee how they do this Like this
long of a stretch of football,so like that just kind of shows
you like for a physical specimenlike Leonard Fournette, for him
to say that like how taxingplaying running back in today's
day and age is on the body.
So I mean, they all stick in myopinion.
They all will, you know, seethe field at some point in the

(16:29):
season because injuries happen.
Knock on wood, we don't wantthat to happen.
But yeah, I agree with you, man,I say tough it out with him.
I say he's going to be abig-time contributor for the
offense in ETN and yeah, I can'twait to see where this offense
in general goes in terms of therushing attack.
Because, yeah, you kind ofmentioned something else too.
We're used to seeing like guyslike get hit in the backfield

(16:56):
two yards on first down withDoug Peterson, like we were
notorious for being in likefreaking second at 15 or
something wild like this lastscheme.
So yeah, I can't wait to seewhere things go with these four
and uh, I think yeah, we gotfour solid contributors that
will, you know, help us out atsome point of the season
regardless.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Is there any world where etn's here past this
season?

Speaker 3 (17:18):
no, I would be extremely shocked.
Like 1200 yards, 10 touchdowns,just absolutely sick of stats.
Maybe like, like?

Speaker 2 (17:27):
what kind of money is he gonna ask for too?

Speaker 3 (17:29):
yeah, like if that's the case you know for sure, and
that's the only reason.
And then then you look at thatdeal in three years and you're
like man, that was terrible,why'd we?
Do that like I just especiallywhat they got there those young
guys in the back right.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
They've already prepared for it, so yeah and in
addition to that too, though youknow like I looked at the
salary cap next year, from whatI saw we weren't in bad shape,
you know, be like intent orsomething like that, and still,
even with that being the case,with quote unquote, the money to
spare, like it's just it wouldbe a waste of I don't want to

(18:02):
say a waste like, because that'sa little harsh to say of etN.
But when you have what we haveand we've seen literally what
Tootin has done in the preseason, especially as a rusher, it's
like you just you can't makethat misstep.
You can't put money into thatposition, like not the money
that it will require to keep him.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah for sure.
Well, from one offensive roomto another.
We were actually talking aboutthis before we got started,
dilla.
We were talking about theJaguars being interested in
picking up a wide receiver andwe talked about, like, we're
just not really used to theJaguars being relatively top
heavy at wide receiver and nowthey need to find somebody that
can.
We're trying to fill out theback end of that room.

(18:43):
Do you think they make a movethere?
You know sean payton,throughout that they may have
been involved in the you know,the devon valet deal.
So what do you think they dothere as far as finding a guy
that fills essentially multiplepositions?

Speaker 3 (18:56):
um.
So I do think they're exploringthat now.
I've heard that they've beencalling around and then it's
funny because I was texting witha pal the night before the Sean
Payton clip hit.
So just kind of the validationpoints there that they're
definitely calling around forreceivers.
It's got to be someone who isOK with being down the depth

(19:18):
chart but also performing onspecial teams.
That cuts down the list a lot,especially when you think about
the fact that they want a biggerbody.
So then you're looking atplayers like in the past, like
Tim Jones, like those kind ofguys you know what I'm saying
when they're not necessarilyhelping out on offense but the
Jaguars are looking for anotherreceiver who can help on the
offense.
So it's an extremely filteredsearch.

(19:39):
They're definitely going tolook for something specific.
So when it comes to a trade, Idon't know, but I do feel like
the fifth receiver is not on theroster right now.
I could see, you know it beinganother undrafted free agent guy
or a vet who got cut that has avery specific you know athletic
profile and skill set.
I'll be interested to see whathappens.
I think the cornerback room'sreal similar.

(20:01):
In the same way, the fifth sixspot isn't on the roster.
They're going to look somewhereelse and I think otherwise I'm
not really expecting too much ofa surprise yeah, jay, you
actually put out a tweet earliertoday.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Who were some of those names that you had kind of
like circled in your research?

Speaker 1 (20:14):
so one name that kind of stood out to me, uh, tyrell
shavers from the buffalo bills,who I'm highly doubtful that
they will cut him.
But the reason I looked at aroster like the Bills is because
again, you kind of mentioned it, phil the rosters that are
top-heavy and stacked andestablished and that will have

(20:36):
playoff-caliber makeups.
A lot of times those guys slidethrough the cracks and get cut.
So you have to look at kind oflike rosters like that or that
are stacked and just it's anumbers game where they would
love to keep this person butthey simply can't because
they're established.
So Tyrell Shavers was one, buteven with that being still the
case, with Buffalo being as goodas they are, I think they made

(20:59):
room for him as a sixth receiverbecause he kind of really
shined in the last preseasongame and also, too, like Dilla,
kind of made the point too.
Like you got to ask yourselfhow does he help you as a
special teamers to as a specialteamer if he does get cut, which
I'm not sure like where he liesin terms of the special team?
Regard Tim Patrick's, anotherguy.
That's a veteran guy who youknow obviously he wouldn't be

(21:22):
weighed, he'd be cut, so youcould just get him off the
street.
You don't have to go to thewaiver wire for him on Detroit.
Jadae Walker from Chicago herewe are like halfway through the
day.
They haven't cut him yet, sothat's kind of a sign they might
be sticking with him.
Quentin Skinner I think Skinnerwas one of the ones that might

(21:43):
have some special teamsbackground from um NYJ.
Another young undrafted guy,kind of like Dillon mentioned.
That's.
That's kind of the niche you'relooking at is undrafted guys
who kind of on that bubble spot.
And then DeLevion Campbell fromthe Chargers as well.
He's another taller guy.

(22:04):
I'll have to research if he hasa special teams background.
But yeah, these are guys likeundrafted guys for the most part
, aside from Tim Patrick who youknow are longer, have the
length that the Jaguars want onoffense and that could be cut
tomorrow.
More than likely Not today buttomorrow.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Here's a fun name for you.
What about our old friend ColinJohnson?
Would you like to see him comeback if he was cut?
My guy.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, where is he at?
Is he still in Chicago or whereis he at right now?

Speaker 3 (22:42):
I don't know.
Off the top of my head I sawthat he was in jeopardy of not
making a roster.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
That's fine.
I know he was in Chicago lastyear.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
He might still be there.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Current team Las Vegas.
Okay, according to the wiki.
But yeah, I mean listen as uhselfishly I would.
Uh, I would certainly like tosee colin back, but uh, but yeah
, uh, jay, if you want to getinto, uh, the next question here
yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
So, um, and this is a guy that we've all talked about
a lot, right, you know, I guessit would be a waste for us not
to mention Trevor Lawrence,which you on the podcast still
right, me and Phil, we try andstray away from like the obvious
questions, but sometimes it'ssome of them you just have to
ask, you can't like even veeraway from.
But yeah, I mean, like it'sclear man that Trevor has put in

(23:33):
the work in the offseason.
He looks like a way betterquarterback.
I got to check him out in oneof the training camps now that
particular training camp hestruggled but mechanically I saw
a better quarterbackmechanically.
That was a Sunday but hestruggled that day but still I
saw a way different mechanicalquarterback.
But yeah, man, like what areyour thoughts on how he's looked

(23:56):
and just the jump he's made andlike what could be ahead for
him in terms of the kind ofseason that you might project
for him.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
So I think with Trevor, like, no matter how much
work he puts into it, he's gotto stay healthy Right.
So that'll come with betterprotection, which should come
from having a better frontoffice, but at the end of the
day he's got to stay healthywhen he gets hit right.
So we fast forward.
We play 17 games.
He stays healthy.
What?
What did he do if he's as goodas we think he's going to be?

(24:26):
Like you said, mechanically helooks amazing right now.
He looks so sped up in thepocket he almost looks like a
different quarterback.
He looks as fast as he did inthe college game and comparing
it to the college game Now,comparing it to the NFL game,
the process is so much better.
He's getting through his readsand when his reads aren't open,

(24:46):
he's he's tucking the ball andhe's running forward.
In the first game against theSteelers he ran for like three
or four yards not a really bigplay in preseason game.
You don't want to see him gettackled.
But in the past he does thatgoofy little peel out spin move
and he's losing yards orthrowing the ball away or
getting hit again for no reason.
The thought process looksbetter too.
You know what I'm saying.

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And then we add all the workthat he's doing outside of the
game to get better himself, andthen we put him in an offense
that's got gimme plays right,we're putting him in an offense
that's got gotchas, like itdoesn't matter what he does, he
can't mess it up.
It's designed for him to takethe easy plays if the big play
is not there.
And then you look at the rosterit's probably the best roster,

(25:30):
talent-wise on offense, thathe's had.
So when we put everythingtogether, the contract is out of
the way, right?
We're not thinking about that.
He already got that.
Should he have gotten it?
I don't know.
We'll find out real soon.
Everything is there for it tobe a successful year.
We just have to see it now,right?
So we're sitting 10, 12 daysuntil the next game, the first

(25:51):
game of the season.
If he comes out and he lightsthe Panthers up, you guys should
all just meet me on Twitter.
I will be unfathomable.
I will be in every singleCarolina Panthers quote two,
quote two, quote two and I'll besending it out to all my
followers and we'll all beripping your mentions like it's

(26:11):
2018.
We'll all be staying up reallate.
We'll be watching Sunday nightfootball and Monday night
football, talking about theJaguars, because that's the
ability that Trevor Lawrence has.
He has to get there, he has totake us to the promised land.
He has the ability, but untilhe does it we have to be like
slightly reserved.

(26:32):
But like back to what you'resaying.
I mean he looks completelydifferent.
You know, we'll bring this backto reality.
Everything that we've needed tosee.
We saw they only play a coupledrives, a couple plays a game.
We don't care about the wins orlosses.
Some people are going to say heturned the ball over.
He always turns the ball overin the red zone.
It's kind of a simpletonthinking to me.
I think that in everythingthere's context and if you're

(27:00):
not able to just be like he gotstepped on and they fumbled the
football because that happened,like I'm sorry but I don't want
to talk football with you, likelet's just be real about it.
You know what I mean.
Like things happen.
It's a preseason game.
If that happens against thePanthers in the same thing, I'm
gonna be like bro, we saw thathappen already.
Like why'd you let that happenagain?
It's's a completely differentcontext.
You know what I'm saying.
So he's got everything he needs.
I feel like the situation isperfect for him.

(27:21):
Everyone believes in him.
Locally, the national media ischirping a little bit.
I'm not against that.
He needs to hear it a littlebit.
He doesn't really care what wethink, but he's a person.
He cares what they think and Ithink this is going to be the
year All my chips are in there,but I'm all in.
If it's a bust, I'm broke, I'mout.

(27:43):
So we'll see what happens, butI'm fully in with it.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you, man, and I'm here for you.
Lighting up Panther's Twitteragain.
The Georgiaia boy in me wouldlove that.
Okay, anytime them and thesaints are getting lit up, I'm
always for you.
Know, I'm a jazz fan in theheart.
But those people who rival thefalcons too like I love seeing

(28:09):
them get with what's coming aswell but, yeah, you kind of hit
like something on the nail onthe head with the whole thing
about the offense, provides andit's never been worded that way,
but it does provide a lot ofgotcha throws, like easy type of
situations for him.
So you know and he's even saidit, though he's alluded to it

(28:31):
like this offense has all theanswers is what he said and
that's kind of what he meant.
And, um, yeah, no, I like thatfor him and, you're right, it
does feel like he's functioninglike clemson, trevor lawrence,
right, and we haven't seen thatfor quite some time.
You know, like we saw it likebriefly early in doug peterson's

(28:52):
tenure, you know when he wenton, that, that crazy tear that
he went on, but we haven't seenthat in a while, a long time,
and for him, I think what'stelling, though, is for him to
start his tenure with liam cohenlike that, you know I'm saying
even, like when it took him awhile to get into that groove
with doug, even when he found it, it took him a while, like he

(29:13):
didn't start off like that.
You know what I'm saying.
So I think that's telling.
Um, of course, as you mentionedas well, though, like health
gotta stay healthy, which Ithink that'll come naturally.
Um, now that, like, again, wedon't have trent making the
offensive line for him.
I've said this many, many times, man, trent just didn't know,
like it wasn't that trent didn'tinvest in the offensive line,

(29:36):
he just didn't know what thehell he was doing.
Right, you know, like he he put, you know he got Cam, well,
extended Cam Robinson, should Isay, that was Dave Caldwell Pitt
kept Walker Little and draftedWalker Little, by the way, and
extended him, added EzraCleveland via trade.
Like he tried a multitude ofthings, just didn't know how to

(29:57):
fix whatever that was going on.
I think we are in a positionnow where that won't be an issue
.
This front office does know howto identify offensive linemen a
little bit better.
Right, and yeah, man, I can'twait to see, like you know, him
go off, if that's going to bethe case, cause, yeah, I'm going
to be pretty much one of thosepeople as loud as you as well,
cause yeah, I'm going to bepretty much one of those people

(30:19):
as loud as you as well.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Well, how's he going to play quarterback?
Well, if he's spending so much?

Speaker 3 (30:23):
time with his family, so I don't know I can't believe
all the mechanics change withwith a wife and a kid Now it's
crazy.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah, you brought up a couple of things that I I
really noticed too.
One was just again that littlea three, four yard run, like Jay
just talked about it, likeinstead that's the difference
between second and 15, and thensecond and six, like that's
going to make a huge differencethroughout the entire season.
Um, and then, yeah, alsoechoing the same sentiments that
you did, like, if that, if hedoesn't tuck the ball when he's

(30:49):
falling and he fumbles thefootball in week one, then yeah,
we're banging the tv, but ithappens in new orleans, new
Orleans, when they're justtrying to work these things out,
fine, then they went right downthe field and scored a
touchdown the very next drive.
Those are the kind of things Ilike people I get like maybe
because of where the franchisehas been, they start to get

(31:11):
worried.
They're hearing all thisoutside stuff, like Mike
Tannenbaum saying they shouldsign Kirk Cousins in the
offseason, and all this outsidestuff like Mike Tannenbaum
saying they should sign hercousins in the off season, and
all this kind of stuff.
So I think people are panicking.
They don't have the.
You know, we don't have a firstround pick next year, so.
But I think people just kind ofget in their heads about it,
because Trevor just doesn't getthe same grace as, like, justin
Herbert.
You know which is crazy to me?
And we're entering what year,with Justin Herbert and he's

(31:33):
like a, they still rank him top10.
I don't get it, I don't know,it's just frustrating hey, phil,
real quick.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
You mentioned something with the draft picks.
Right, we don't have the firstnext year.
Shout outs to Travis.
He put that tweet out likedespite that, did y'all see like
how stacked we are with draftpicks?
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:53):
we're still picking like 15 times.
I think it's like genuinely 11or 12.
Like we're still picking like15 times.
I think it's like genuinely 11or 12.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Like we're still picking a crazy amount of times.
It's insane, which I mean likeit feels like the most Gladstone
thing to do is package them allup and come back into the first
.
But you know we're looking toofar into the future.
But that feels like the mostGladstone thing ever, despite
not having that first like.
All I just wanted to say islike I'm not even stressed about
I never was like you all haveheard my sentiment about.

(32:20):
Like when we traded the firstright.
It's like whatever man like toget Travis Hunter, like I live
through the Trent Baalke regimewhere if you mention a first
round pick, he's hanging up inyour face Like you know what I'm
saying.
Like so he's hanging up in yourface, like you know what I'm
saying.
Like so to go from that to likebeing so willing to give up
first, like I was happy with it,it never was an issue to me.
But yeah, man, like I just it'sjust refreshing to see you know

(32:44):
, even without that first roundpick, where we are and, like
that, the fact that we could beexcited about next year yeah,
for sure.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
And, like you said, you know we we got through the
Doug and Trent days and now nowwe're here with Gladstone and
Vasselli handling things in thefront office.
Do you get the sense thataround the league that maybe the
team is a little bit morerespected because of the changes
that have been made?
What do you think is going onthere now that they even though
it was a little late, they didmake the changes that were

(33:12):
necessary?

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, we saw, after we playedthe the saints, we made a trade
for defensive tackle, depth,right, colin, what was his last
name?
Colin saunders, saunders, goodcall, bink, that's what I've
been calling him, bink in myhead, and I tried to give him
the real name and didn't want tosay kaylin, and I thought so
hard about that I couldn'tremember his last name.

(33:35):
But, um, no, I mean you.
You see, gladstone, reach outand make the roster better.
They traded a player they weregoing to cut, probably the play
with the least affinity in thefan base, and Luke Fortner,
right, so they trade him.
They get good depth turn aroundand yesterday they trade, you
know, the right tackle swingtackled free back to the eagles.

(33:56):
Right back to the eagles theteam that he used to play for
for a draft pick and that'sthat's a player they were going
to cut.
So they've they're not lookingat positive depth in a draft
pick for two players they weregoing to cut.
I I don't know how anyone canbe upset with that.
That's fantastic rosterbuilding.
The players might not, you know, work out the, you know, saund

(34:17):
players might not work out.
Saunders might not two-gap likehe's supposed to and we might
give up 250 rushing, but onpaper he's working to make the
team better.
You've got to respect the hellout of that at the end of
preseason.
So I'm extremely, extremelywell thought of.
When it comes to the frontoffice, I really think they're a
step above.

(34:37):
Especially, we're used to likethree steps above, keep playing
on a completely different field.
Um, it's exciting to have guyswho can do all that and I think
that proves their respect.
You know what I mean.
How he's not calling anddealing with anyone he thinks is
a jackass.
He's probably the best gm inthe game.
He's got the super bowl ringsto count.
Some people will be like, oh,they're not that good.
They run the ball.

(34:57):
You know, with the running ajackass.
He's probably the best GM inthe game.
He's got the Super Bowl ringsto count.
Some people will be like, oh,they're not that good, they run
the ball with the runningquarterback and they got Saquon
Barlow.
Okay, well, he made it happen.
He's the same guy who keepsdrafting all the Georgia
defenders and the team staysgood.
What a concept.
He's talked about that so manytimes.
They come in.
They already have camaraderie,they already have chemistry,
they play good defense together.
When that guy, the guy with allthe wins, the Super Bowl wins

(35:18):
is comfortable with your GM,comfortable doing deals with him
, I think we fleeced theCleveland Browns.
I don't think we overpaid atall.
And then you look at what theCleveland Browns did with those
draft picks.
That's validating what I think,in my opinion, because in the
past, look at when the Jaguarstraded jaylen ramsay, we had
extra first round draft picks.
Caleb on chase on's playing onhis third team, still not

(35:41):
sacking the quarterbacking gamesthat matter, uh, etn, we're
talking about trading them.
You know what I'm saying.
Like that's the reality behindwhat happens when you trade for
extra picks and you don't go getthe players that you think are
better and everything thatgladstone's done, just who
doesn't respect him.
I guess you know what I mean.
I think initially on you sawpeople make fun of them like oh,

(36:04):
this you know, baby who's like.
But you know, boss, baby vibesalmost like it's not, it's a
real weird vibe.
He's not that he's odd or outthere, but that's him.
That's genuine.
And in, when you're your trueself, that's almost sounds like
you know, gladstone, I almosthad to stop myself there.
When you're your organic self,you become the best person.

(36:26):
You know, you know what I'msaying.
Like that's how he speaks, butthat's genuine, that's, that's
what he means.
And when you're, when you'rekind of out there, but it's
genuine you are a respectedindividual, because that's kind
of how you get all those madscientists or philosophers who
was comfortable enough being theweird guy sticking themselves
out there to find progress orbetterment.

(36:48):
That's all James Lutzen isdoing with the Jaguars.
Sorry for than it needed to beno, no, no, that was great.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
You know, you know what.
You know what james gladstonereminds me of jay it's and it's
it's.
One of tony khan's favoritesayings is he's a sicko.
James gladstone is a sicko, andI'd like to think that him and
tony khan get along really ohyeah, it functions so much alike
in terms of like the new TonyKhan, like the old Tony Khan.

(37:16):
Yeah, not Twitter fingers, Tony.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, but I'm talking about the new Tony Khan, who
you can't get him to evenmention WWE, right Like it's all
about internal, internal, howwe're doing here and look at
them now.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Look how well AEW is doing.
Look at them now.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Selling.
They sold out the joint at O2Stadium yesterday.
Yeah, crazy.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
So I do think it's interesting, though, with the
dynamic of the front office andhow positive everything is now
Like, the big question early onwas who has final say, Right?
So someone does have final say,and there's going to become a
time where someone makes thatfinal say decision and it's not
going to be well well taken bythe other parties.
So I think that that's whenwe're going to see our first

(38:00):
version of, like where do we gofrom here?
What do they how, right?
how does an odd group ofindividuals?
Because the owner for as muchsay as he says he has, he
doesn't know what's going on,right?
So we got the guys, we got thehead coach, we got the head
coach, we got Buscelli and wegot Gladstone.
Three people are making onedecision, but someone's got the
final say.

(38:20):
Depending on who you talk to,it changes by the day when that
decision's made and it's two toone.
But the decision maker goeswith his own decision and it's a
bad decision.
Where do the Jaguars go fromthere?
Because right now it is allsunshine and roses.
Like I said, our optimism isjust blaring through the roof.
Everyone's so excited for whatcould be, but it's like at work

(38:45):
when things are good,everybody's buddy buddy.
But the second something hitsthe fan.
There's a little tension andit's not, you know, not as fun
to go to.
So I do think that when it doescome to the respect and the
success of the Jaguars, it'sgoing to come from that internal
focus.
But everything we've seen fromnow seems to be like it's three
dudes who get along really well,um, and when you do come to
some kind of disagreement, um, Ithink that there's going to be

(39:09):
good conversation around it andlike they're going to be cool
with it, moving forward, likethey'll understand the whys to,
to accept it, it instead ofhaving that disdain or hate for
one another.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
And how long, Jay on here, have we been wanting this
youth movement Because of ShadKhan's obsession with the past?
That's why we were so terrified.
Maybe Bill Belichick is goingto be the guy, Because he loves
Bill Belichick, he loved TomCoughlin and the way that he did
things, so getting this regimein and and with, you know, glad.
So he's our age, you know he's35, so it's like he is part of

(39:42):
it and not to say that we knowfootball the way that timmy
clapstone does, but like he'spart of this generation where we
have all sat back and kind ofseen what doesn't work.
So he's very much aware of that, obviously coming from a very
successful organization.
So you know I.
So he's very much aware of that, obviously coming from a very
successful organization.
So you know, I think he's theperfect guy for the job.
So yeah, but that's a goodpoint.
Like what happens when they theylose two in a row.

(40:03):
They lose two, two of three.
You know what happens then andthen then we'll really find out,
but you know everything so far.
Jay looks solid.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeah, no, you, you hit the nail on the head about
how many times we've had thatconversation.
We had to hammer that intospaces, right, when we're going
to spaces.
Earlier this year about JamesGladstone, everybody was like,
why go with such a young option?
That's our age.
What's this?
Football acumen, is thatanother?

(40:36):
And the thing we kept comingback to in the spaces was well,
hell, you know, we were goingwith these dinosaurs in the past
and it looked where it got usright, like it never worked long
term.
You know, we see a glimmer ofsuccess for a year and all of us
like and Dilla may can evenspeak on this, on how he felt.
But in the back of our mind,even after that short stint of
success, we always felt like,okay, it's going to fall off the

(40:58):
cliff next year, like thisisn't going to like last right,
like something is going tohappen and this is not a
long-term thing that's going tobe, you know.
So let's just, let's just baskin it right now, cause this
might be a one-year thing WithGladstone now.

(41:19):
I do get more of a sense nowthat if we do have success, I
feel like it will be morelong-term, you know, with just
how he's operating and stuff.
Like I don't get that sensethat, like I got with Tom
Coughlin and Balky that it wouldbe a one-year type of thing.
So that's pretty good, but yeah, like that's what I always
ended up feeling like, even whenwe had success.
Like I just knew like and we'vesaid it many, many times on

(41:41):
this podcast feel like we'regonna come back and go like win
five games next year, you know,after like going to this afc
championship or something likethat.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Listen last year was the toughest season for us dilla
we, because we were essentiallyout of it so early like we
released the least amount ofepisodes that we'd done and we
had even discussed justconverting this to a
all-encompassing NFL podcastafter the Trent Baalke decision
was made.
So it's like you know, whatmore can we?
Did we really have to sitthrough here?

(42:12):
So like to have again like thesense of of at least positivity
is so nice, especially when itwas all doom and gloom, like you
said, on that day of thatstrange Zoom call.
I want to first off a littlenews.
I mean, this doesn't come outuntil Wednesday, but Kenny
Pickett was traded to theRaiders.
Yep, the Browns just shippedhim over there.
There's a little talk, jay, Idon't know if you have any, if

(42:35):
you have an opinion on this aswell.
Some of these quarterbacks,like Kyle Trask, I think, is
going to be available.
Do you guys have any input onwho you'd like to see the
Jaguars maybe taking a stab at?
Or are you okay with the backuproom as it is now?

Speaker 3 (42:50):
I kind of have the opinion if your backup's playing
it don't matter, but have theopinion if your backup's playing
it don't matter.
Uh, but I do think like, if welook up the backup market, jamis
winston can win football gamesin the nfl, so like I wouldn't
be upset if they go that way.
Um, the issues when you do gothat way is the the second
trevor has a bad game or makes abad throw, the like we told you
crowd is going crazy and andsometimes that's not worth it,

(43:14):
especially if it's, like youknow, short-term injury,
short-term second string starter.
Uh, kyle trask, I think he'sbetter than nick mullins.
Nick mullins is apparently herebecause he knows the offense,
um, and knowing the offensehelps trevor get through a new
playbook.
Uh, you know someone to talk tobesides the coaches when it
comes to picking your brain.
So I would think in like I'veheard that they've had that idea

(43:36):
.
Someone who's worked with Cohenin the past recently, his last
year obviously knows the offense.
I would absolutely go thatroute Because of where we are
located in Jacksonville, you'llstill have some crowd.
That's like.
Well, trevor's playing bad, putthe Florida Gator quarterback
in, which is ridiculous.
But that's the reality of thattoo, like a lot of the Jaguar
fans are good old Florida Gatorquarterback in, which is
ridiculous, but that's thereality of that too.

(43:56):
Like a lot of the Jaguar fansare good old boy Gator fans and
that's just the way.
They think the Gators are thebest and we got to try them.
If our guys are stinking, um,so I guess that kind of stinks
too, but those are kind of whereI'd be at otherwise.
I mean I stick with the room.
I do think that if it like, ifwe want to talk about the third
and fourth quarterback that cutJohnny Wolford today, I would

(44:17):
put Seth Hennigan on thepractice squad.
Johnny Wolford's played NFLgames, but so has Nick Mullins,
so if he's playing, I mean we'reon two quarterbacks injured.
You know what I mean.
It's a long lost season anyway,so you might as well develop
someone on the practice squad.
I think that if you run johnnywolford, who physically can't
see over the offensive linesometimes, you're just what's

(44:40):
the point?
So, um, overall it's backupquarterback.
I think it's kind of likebackup tackles.
Yeah, you know the value isonly so much there, but I do
think you know if you're goingfor the winner, you need someone
in case you're.
We talked about his injuryhistory.
The quarterback's fragile andyou think you got good enough
for us to compete.
Jameis comes in.
Jameis would play a good backuprole.
He wouldn't be someone whocaused issues himself, but the

(45:04):
outside noise could be the issue.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Yeah, be entertaining with him, and him and Travis
too.
People would eat that up.
Maybe some positive things onthe C block of get up or
something like that.
But, jay, what do you think?
Any input on what they shoulddo at backup?
Again, we share the samesentiment too If we're on the
backup quarterback, somethinghas gone wrong.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yeah, yeah, nah, I mean like, yeah, as much as it
pains me to say this about aGator, but yeah, trask is
intriguing, you know, I woulddefinitely look at that route
for sure.
And yeah, I mean like Jameis.
Jameis is a good option, youknow they can get you through.

(45:47):
You know, if you cross thatbridge, hopefully two games or
something, you know, hopefullyit ain't long term.
But Jameis is a guy that canget you through two games or
what have you.
But I think, like, the longerhe's on the field, the worst he
gets as a quarterback in termsof when he has to come off the
bench as a backup.
But two games is fine.
I would say Jameis as well.
But yeah, I mean, like I thinkif I had to rank them between
the two that Dilla mentioned, Iwould say give me, yeah, give me

(46:11):
Jameis man, because I can't putthe Florida Gator, give me
jamis man, because I I can't putthe florida gator, I can't put
him as the.
And another thing, too is um,yeah, man, I don't want to hear
all of that noise from thegators fans which is like, ah,
yeah, trevor sucks.
Uh, we, we need to get thegator out there, give him a shot
this day I'm not ready to hearall of that honestly preach

(46:31):
preach.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah for sure.
Well, j Jay, we have one morequestion, if you want to get to
it before we wrap up for thenight.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Yeah, so, dilla, what are your most notable takeaways
from this roster overall, whenyou consider everything we've
seen from training camp in thepreseason, otas, even before
OTAs, could you give us ageneral thought process on your
overall takeaways from theroster overall?

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Yeah.
So, first off, when I sit backand I look at all the people who
have been getting reps with theones, reps with the twos, the
Jaguars are going to play theirbest 11 on both sides of the
ball.
They don't care about draftpick, they don't care about
contract.
They're going to play theirbest 11 on both sides of the
ball.
They don't care about draftpick, they don't care about
contract.
They're going to put their bestteam out there.
So we've seen that with theoffensive line.
They've all played multiplepositions and, quite frankly,

(47:23):
most of them have played it well.
What it like?
What an intriguing surprise.
What like crazy.
What happens when you get thebad coaches out of here, right?
What?
And I think that you see a teamthat wants to compete.
It's the most physical Jaguarsteam I've seen in a long time,
especially in the preseason.
They're out there hitting.
That's good to see.
That makes you feel good.
You want to have a toughfootball team.

(47:45):
You want your dudes to betougher than the other dudes you
play.
So, from the fan aspect, youlove what you see there In terms
of how the roster's built.
You saw them.
They went off, rip and juststraight up, added tackles,
right, and we've already seenone traded away.
So it kind of leads you tochumo is probably going to stay
on the roster, javon foster isgoing to be out of here and then

(48:07):
you have a couple guys withposition flexibility, whether it
be jonah monaheim, um, or wyattmillum, right.
So draft picks, uh, late rounddraft picks and free agents that
are on the low.
You got Mercari, you gotHainsey.
They spent a little bit moremoney on those.
They were in their wave one offree agency, but they're
probably more like wave two,wave three, guys who were

(48:29):
brought in to compete.
A lot of the question marks wehave on our roster.
If you look at it, it's guyswho are equally talented, but
we're looking for gamers.
You know what I mean.
We're looking for dudes who goout there and play.
If you would have told me fouror five years ago, andrew
Wingard has a chance to be thestarting safety in 2025, and I'm

(48:51):
like, yeah, that makes senseand I'm okay with it.
Who would believe that?
He was kind of a cult hero,wannabe kid rock fun for what he
was, but not a real greatfootball player?
The guy's gritty as hell.
He's someone you were okay withhaving in the back end, the
cornerbacks.
We've talked about thereceivers and the cornerbacks.

(49:13):
We got a couple guys, one tofour, and after that it falls
off off hard.
We're all feeling okay with howthe roster looks, though,
because, one, they look headover heels way better than they
did last year.
Right, like it feels better.
Um, earlier you talked about how, when the jaguars got good, it
felt like it was gonna fall off.
You know the train tracks atany moment, the the foundation's

(49:35):
there.
He spoke specifically when hewas hired about raising the
floor.
He's done that.
When you raise your floor andthen you start sprinkling in
good vets here and there, yourfloor continues to rise.
Right, it looks like the guyswho are out there cleaning the
windows on a high rise.
That thing gets pulled up moreand more, and the closer you get

(49:55):
to the top, the less pullingyou got to do to get there, and
that's what that's.
That's the trajectory thejaguars are on.
Our foundation is good.
Our foundation is better thanit's been in a long time, right,
and now we're going to continueto sprinkle players in and get
better and better.
So the construction of theroster it makes me we could go
into a deeper breakdown, butjust seeing the transformation

(50:18):
from year one to year two,knowing we don't have a first
round pick next year but, likeJames said, three third round
picks right, a second round pick.
Even though we don't have afirst round pick, we have four
or five top hundred picks.
We're going to get better nextyear without a first round pick
and we're probably going to havethe most entertaining year of
Jaguars football we've had in awhile, except for those two

(50:39):
years where we made runs, right,and we were all like I can't
believe this is happening.
I can't believe this ishappening.
Instead of wow, we're thoseguys.
We're like actually good, right.
Those years, as a fan, I went toevery single playoff game
because I knew I might as welldo it now.
Who knows when I'm going to beable to do it again, right, I

(51:00):
don't feel like I have to dothat now.
Like Phil said, doesn't haveseason tickets this year, buddy,
that's all right, because youknow what.
Them playoff tickets are goingto cost as much as your season
tickets and I know you're goingto be there.
Looks like a good investment.
You feel me and I'll be rightthere with you.
I don't have season ticketseither right now because I work
retail.
I work on the weekendssometimes and it kind of messes
up my flow.

(51:20):
But if the jaguars give me areason to go through the hassle
of changing my schedule, I'mgonna be there, and if they're
give us a reason, give me areason to give you the money I'm
going, I'm going to give it toyou.
Exactly, and that's what I seewith the roster.
The roster is better than itwas, which is all I'm asking for

(51:41):
.
I understand that it takes morethan a year to completely flip
a football team.
It probably is going to taketwo or three years for us to be
as good as we want to be, whenyou think of the perennial
elites in the NFL.
If we want to get there, wewon't be there next year either,
but we might be close.
We might feel like we're theresome weeks and again play 500
football.
I swear to God, I'll do somestupid stuff for the Jaguars if

(52:03):
they play 500 football.
Man, I will.
I'm getting older.
I'm 33 years old.
I've been doing this stuffsince I was 18, 19, 20, making
content Give me a reason to actlike I used to, because I'll do

(52:23):
it, I'll do it and so farthey're doing that.
So I appreciate them.
I appreciate you guys.
Everything feels good.
You know what I mean, and Ithink that's how sports are
supposed to be.
It's entertainment.
We shouldn't sulk and bedepressed because of something
we enjoy that doesn't give usanything back.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
So yeah, competitive football signs of getting better
.
You know, let's just have agood time, man.
Um, I do actually have one morequestion before I let you go,
because we've always been jayand I have we always.
We felt like even dating backto the jags den days, we were
always kind of on the forefrontof like, hey, they're gonna have
to get a stadium, they're gonnahave to get a stadium, they're

(52:55):
going to have to get a stadium.
When is this going to happen?
So I want to kind of get likewhat are your thoughts?
And not just the stadiumoverall, but kind of like just
to bring it back to a communitystandpoint the growth of
Jacksonville, because we'reseeing downtown develop a little
bit, and that's good, that's agreat thing.
The stadium is coming.
How are you feeling?
I remember one of the thingsthat really stuck stood out to
me.
I went to one of thoseneighborhood things with with

(53:17):
Mark Lamping and I asked him hey, if we pay for the stadium, we
going to get our London gameback, second game back, and he
just like walked right aroundthe question, didn't give me an
answer.
I was like, okay, so no, buthow do you feel about, again,
overall growth of Jacksonville,but also this stadium in the
future.
I wasn't super excited aboutthe design because I've been to

(53:38):
SoFi and that stadium sucks.
Man.
I don't know if you've been toSoFi Stadium.
It's terrible, it's one of theworst.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Yeah, I haven't been, but my friends that went.
They have the same sentimentsas you.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
I don't know if it was the game we played a few
years back, but when we gotabsolutely destroyed the urban
mire year, but, um, yeah, that'swhen I was there and it's a
terrible experience, um, but uhbut, yeah, what's your overall
feeling?

Speaker 3 (54:01):
again on the growth, yeah, like if we completely
ignore, like, the details of thestadium.
Just acknowledge the fact thatwe're gonna have a in quote
state-of-the-art stadium whichis gonna bring so much more
business entertainment outsideof the football season Head over
heels.
That's the biggest thingJacksonville needs is a reason
for people to go downtown.

(54:21):
That's not the JacksonvilleJaguars, we all agree because
you go on your 10 with preseasonhome games.
Give or take 10 home games ayear.
You go down there those 10 daysdowntown's popping.
It's a good vibe, especially ifthe jaguars are playing good
football.
You have any other reason to godown there and we're seeing
that now.

(54:41):
They've.
All they've done is closed, thegate taken down, some
escalators, but the high risesare starting to pop up.
You're starting to see thefoundations of these businesses
rise.
That's the kind of stuff thatis going to continue to make
jacksonville a miserable placeto drive in the afternoon.
You know what I'm saying.
Like the growth is going to becrazy and the growth is going to

(55:01):
be good in that outside offootball, like when you talk
about community, our friends andour listeners and everyone who
watches the stuff we do.
We're friends and we talk tothem 365 days a year.
We play football for three orfour months a year.
The community of Jacksonville,the things we've done, the
things I've done on the internetwhether it be raising money or

(55:22):
sending books to a school thatstuff is super cool, right.
So that's like really like,that's life-fulfilling, you know
what I mean which is a reallycool opportunity, and that's
Twitter itself x, whatever youwant to call it.
It's a pretty terrible appthese days, right, but the
reason I'm still there is thecommunity we've built and the
things we've done are so goodthat I don't want to get rid of

(55:46):
it.
I mean, I don't tweet nearly asmuch as I used to.
I still tweet more than mostpeople, but it's a.
It's a place I really enjoy.
You can ask genuine questions,get genuine answers.
It's a place I really enjoy.
You can ask genuine questions,get genuine answers.
You can shoot the breeze right,so you can do so much more
outside of football anddowntown's the same way, right.
So if we can make downtown aplace we want to be all year

(56:07):
round and we know that that'sgoing to happen through the
success of the Jaguars and wehad to get the stadium built,
and that's why it should be ataxpayer-funded thing.
It shouldn't have maybe been asmuch.
Taxpayers Again, that's a wholedifferent conversation, but in
the slate of the real worldthat's how it works.
The return on investment isgoing to be incredible.
We're going to get old one dayMost of us are still going to be

(56:31):
local and we're going to beproud that we're from
Jacksonville.
We're going to remember whatJacksonville was, we're going to
enjoy what Jacksonville is andwe're going to reminisce one day
and we're going to be like yeah, like, and we had something to
do with that.
I don't care what anyone says,because you touched on it
earlier we have a small market.
Because we have a small market,we can do a lot of cool things
that other places can't do areorganic and communal aspirations

(56:56):
, all the way down to the clownstuff.
Like people think I started theclown stuff.
All I did was share the idea.
That was someone else's ideaand we went ESPN front page.
People still talk about it.
I mean, pat McAfee still callsJacksonville clown town, like
because the Colts can't winthere, and he makes fun of his
own team every single year.

(57:16):
That stuff doesn't happen inDallas.
That stuff doesn't happen in LA.
It doesn't happen in New Yorkbecause there's no sense of
community and I think that makedowntown a place to visit, just
like we make Twitter a place tovisit.
You only get good things fromthat.
You know what I'm saying?
Overall, super pumped.
Appreciate you guys.
Having me on, I'm sorry, I canget yappy um you're good back in

(57:39):
the back in the zone with thepodcasting.
Um, yeah, man, it's just, it'soverall it feels good and shout
out to shotgun for doing theright thing, because we deserve
to feel good.
The city of jacksonville, thepeople of jacksonville,
jacksonville fans, jaguar fans,all over the world.
There's no reason we shouldn'tget to enjoy the parody that the
NFL is supposed to provide,with a salary cap and everyone

(57:59):
you equal spending and movingforward.
Like we should get some of thattoo Genuinely.
We deserve it.
We really do deserve it, yeah100%.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Yeah, Very, very excited about what's going on
down there and you know you'retalking about.
Like you said, we won't getinto the details of the deal,
but we're not Buffalo, Right,Jay?

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Right, we got out of break.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
It's true, and that's what I thought of in my head
while I was complaining.
It would be Buffalo, but I mean.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Yeah, for sure.
No-transcript heading into theseason.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
For sure.
Like I said, appreciate youguys having me on.
You can find me on Twitter ate-dilla x e-dilla podcast.
If we do drop our podcastepisodes, it'll be on every
single podcast website you useyour favorite.
We're there, but It'll be onevery single podcast website you
use.
Your favorite were there, butthis year you'll see a lot of
stuff on Twitchcom.
So Twitchcom backslash, boldTech Pod.

(59:01):
I'll definitely be hittingthings up on Twitter because I
really do depend on the chat forthat kind of stuff, but I think
that's what makes it really fun.
It's really inclusive.
Drop me a follow on there.
That's what I'm growing now.
And then shout out to the boys.
Drop me a follow on there.
That's what I'm growing now.
And then shout out to the boys.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Like I said, thanks for having me on.
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