Episode 120: 2025 Regular Season / Bold Predictions!

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The Jacksonville Jaguars enter a new era with optimism after a complete leadership overhaul, giving fans legitimate hope for the first time in years. We examine what makes this season different with James Gladstone, Liam Coen, and Tony Boselli bringing a much-needed fresh approach. We also discussed our predictions for Week 1’s game against Carolina, plus the following talking points:

• Travis Hunter's unprecedented two-way role as both starting wide receiver and defensive back
• Record prediction and the Jags’ chances to make the postseason
• The importance of improving last year's 3-10 record in one-score games and how to change the losses to wins
• Annual Bold prediction for the 2025 Jags
• Annual Super Bowl predictions for the 2025 NFL season

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the, the, the, the, the Still running and

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Welcome to the Touchdown Jaguarspodcast.
Here are your hosts, jamesJohnson and Phil Smith.

(01:07):
Hey, everyone, welcome back tothe Touchdown Jaguars podcast.
I'm your co-host, phil Barrera,and joining us, as always, is
your other co-host, jamesJohnson.
And Jay, we are here.
It's the evening of September3rd.
It's basically like ChristmasEve.
The NFL season is back tomorrow, with the Philadelphia Eagles

(01:29):
hosting the pinnacle of justlevel headedness in Jerry Jones
and the Dallas Cowboys tomorrownight.
So that's going to be a fungame to watch and you see how
everything pans out.
But, more importantly, jaguarfootball is upon us.
So welcome in to anotherepisode.

(01:49):
Thank you for all of you thatmay be listening for uh, maybe
your new listeners because ofour episode last week with dilla
.
Shout out to him once again andthank you guys for giving that
episode a lot of love.
We hope that we are in yourpodcast rotation in 2025 amongst
many, many other JacksonvilleJaguar content creators.
But, jay, how are we feeling acouple of days away from week

(02:11):
one?
It's good to be back here withyou and back to work.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, just kind of rehashing what I've said.
Man, I feel rejuvenated, man,because we didn't know if this
podcast would make it to thispoint and I'm grateful you know
that we have made it to thispoint.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
There's a little touch and go there for a bit.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, man, it was.
But as I did back in Februarywhen they let Balki go, I think
or that might have been lateJanuary I feel way better now
that you know, even if we willget into our predictions right
later, that, even if we will getinto our predictions right
later, but even if whatever wefeel like is the outlook for the

(02:53):
Jacksonville Jaguars isn't theplayoffs, it still feels
refreshing you kind of talkedabout this last week with Dillon
it still feels refreshing in asense that we're not in that
mindset of well, it doesn'tmatter what we did in the
offseason, it doesn't matterwhat we did in free agency to
draft.
We're doomed because TrentBaalke's still here.
There is some sense of optimism, whatever that is, whether

(03:15):
that's again us believing we'llgo to the postseason or not,
which you all will find out injust a bit but yeah, man, like,
I am glad, like we do havesomething to look forward to,
whatever that is, and we have abreath of fresh air in here and
we just have a organization thatseems to have like at least the

(03:38):
pieces of a functioningorganization in place.
You got Tony Bocelli here makingsure we don't go to the
mistakes of the past.
You have Liam Cohen, who theymade a nice article on on the
New York Times, by the way oflike how he's always like a step
ahead of defensive coordinators.
That's kind of refreshing, likesince when have we ever heard
of an offensive mind on theJacksonville Jaguars played at

(04:01):
advance right, um and Gladstone.
He's a breath of fresh air too.
You know, some people mightthink he's a little weird, but
he's a breath of fresh air too,man.
So yeah, man, I am excitedabout what the season holds for
us here in 2025 for theTouchdown Jadwars podcast.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
No, no, J Jimmy Gladstone.
He's not weird, he's a sicko.
Remember, we established thathe's a sicko.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Well, look, man, he's not the only one.
We've been doing this podcastfor how many years?

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Different iterations.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
We're sickos too.
We keep coming back for somereason.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
So he's right there with us.
You have to be in order tosupport this football team.
So, yeah, this is our annualpredictions episode.
Historically hasn't gone thatwell for me, but we'll see what
happens this year.
I did not get a chance to goback last year and look at what
our hot takes were heading into2024, but I'll try and bring it
up here as we get through thisconversation.

(05:01):
Maybe I can pull up like thetranscript as we go through this
episode.
But, yeah, there is a, like yousaid, a renewed optimism here in
Jacksonville and a belief thatwe are at least heading in the
right direction.
And you know what?
Our head coach and generalmanager are going to Disney
World with their familiestogether.
Like when did Doug Peterson andTrent Baalke ever even go to

(05:23):
like I don't know Renna's Pizzatogether?
Probably never.
Like they didn't do anythingtogether.
And now we got these familiesgoing on trips.
You got Trevor going on avacation with Baker Mayfield.
I hope that's like.
I hope he's like having like agood you know, maybe a joke with
him.
Like, hey, I stole yourdefensive coordinator.
You know something along thoselines.

(05:44):
Like, hey, I stole yourdefensive coordinator.
You know something along thoselines, but we'll yeah, we have
plenty to talk about here thisevening, as we will talk about
not only week one, but also somebold predictions and record
prediction.
Go ahead, jay.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
So it was funny.
You mentioned Baker too, likehe's literally one of the only
people from the Brown excuse me,not Brown the Bucs organization
at fan base that's not mad atLiam Cohen, like literally, for
coming to Jacksonville.
He was like I think he's theonly.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
He was so happy for him.
He like joked about it, Like.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
I just don't understand.
So, and you know yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, and also you know Baker Mayfield like, even
though he is a Sooner, he is aSooner, he's a guy that's easy
to root for too.
So you know, I think the Bucsare kind of a slept on team in
the NFC.
But we're not going to betalking too much about the NFC
today.
We're going to be talking about, of course, the Jacksonville
Jaguars and how we think theseason is going to go.
But, jay, we would be remiss ifwe didn't open up the

(06:40):
conversation with just talkingabout week one and how we feel
going into this thing.
Of course the Carolina Panthersare coming into town.
There's been a lot of chatterover on Twitter between the
Carolina Panthers and theJacksonville Jaguars perspective
fan bases.
The Panthers.
We've been keeping up with them.
A couple of pretty key playersare going to be missing for them

(07:01):
on the offensive side IkeaKwanu, and you know they just
shipped off Adam Thielen.
They did bring in Hunter Renfro, but you know there are
definitely going to be someconcerns in terms of maybe
protecting Bryce Young.
He certainly seemed to be alittle bit of a reclamation
project toward the second halfof the year.
A feel good story.

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He's an easy guy to root forwhen it comes to Bryce, young
Seems like a good kid, does alot for the community, but he
may be in for a rough time herethis weekend.
At least we think so, jay.
So what's your early read onthis matchup here in week one?
And ultimately, who do you seecoming out victorious and
starting off their season on theright foot at 1-0?

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, we are the Jaguars and
we can jag this up, you know.
So there's that.
But on the flip side, they arethe Carolina Panthers and the
same could be said about them aswell.
Okay, so there's that.
But I think, one thing toreally monitor, heading into
this game first and foremost,the situation with Iki Ikuonu.

(08:06):
Uh, so I think he had likeappendicitis or something like
that and uh, he didn't practice.
So we, we've talked about IkiIkuonu on this actual podcast,
because it was one point in timewhere we wanted to draft him
right, you know, in mock draftepisodes and stuff, but his
career hasn't gone as we thoughtit would go right.
And, um, I think that didn't.

(08:27):
We take trayvon that year, phil, if I'm not mistaken, I believe
so yeah so we, we definitelymade the right decision there.
So, um, and ironically, you know, uh, trayvon, um, you know that
might be somebody that he wouldbe going against if Icky was
able to suit up, but you know,all of that said, though, with

(08:48):
his potential absence, I thinkthat speaks volumes about what
they could be in store for withthe pass rush.
That's a little scary, puttinga backup lineman against the
likes of Josh Allen and TrayvonWalker.
So that gives me optimism.
That situation alone, and Imean even like, if you like,

(09:09):
want to think of this from theworst case scenario for the
Jacksonville Jaguars.
The crazy thing about it is,phil, we came to a shocking
discovery this year, right Withand me, and you already knew how
good our special teams were,because we've advocated for the
special teams here, but I think,like there's a newfound
discovery that our kicker can,if you just get them to the 50,

(09:31):
we could just kick field goalsall day, like now typically
against.
If you're playing the likes ofthe Kansas City Chiefs, that's
not going to get it done, right,but we're not playing the
Kansas City Chiefs.
So even if our offense issputtering and we just have to
resort to field goals all day.
I still like our chances atthat point because at that point
we need what you know, onetouchdown, maybe two touchdowns,

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whatever the case may be.
So even if you're looking at itfrom the worst case scenario,
where the offense is struggling,I still think we could keep
them within reach.
I don't think they'll ever likeget away from us in terms of
the score from that regard.
And, like I said, man, I likeour chances.
We'll see how the status onIcky he didn't practice today
but we'll see if he, you know,practices tomorrow and Friday.

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But right now, man, I like ourchances.
In terms of Bryce Young, yeah, Iknow he had a little resurgence
last year, but their preseasonwasn't all that impressive.
Like I don't like and we wouldknow about this field too If, if
I am a fan of a team, I don'tlike my team going into the

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regular season with a Uneventfulpreseason right or a preseason
where you know that left somedoubt in our mind.
We've gone through plenty ofregular seasons where in the
preseason it pretty much told uswhat we were going to go
through in the regular season,where we had a slow preseason,

(10:58):
had a slow regular season startas well.
So I think that's also a signof you know what the Panthers
could be up for as well is thattheir preseason in terms of
looking at the starters wasn'tall that great.
So, yeah, man, I think we getthe W here and I think we start
the season one, and, oh, youknow, that'll give us especially

(11:18):
Dilla a lot to to go to Twitterand just go off on a few
panthers fans about.
But, um, yeah, I can't wait touh see the guys hit the field
and see if all the work that weput in pays off.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Um, in week one yeah, I'm also predicting a jaguar
victory here as well.
And, granted, you know I'vetalked about this before.
One of the things that I havejust learned doing this podcast
with you over the years is,obviously, we don't have time to
catch up with all 32 NFL teams.
You know.
We just don't have that, andthat's why we usually like to

(11:55):
bring in a guest and get an ideaof what are the vibes like.
What are you know?
What are people feeling interms of the?
You know this team?
How are things going?
Who are some players that we'venever heard of?
That we need to be on thelookout for.
So but yeah, like you said, youknow they they're coming out of
the preseason really, you know,not making too much noise.
Obviously, all of the focus onyoung quarterbacks has been

(12:16):
shifted over to Caleb Williamsand Jaden Daniels, and and and
guys like that, and, of courseyou know last year's rookie
class, and and guys like that,and, of course, last year's
rookie class and then thisyear's upcoming class.
So, bryce Young, and maybethat's a good thing for him.
No one's necessarily thinkingtoo much.
I can tell you, chris Cantyfrom ESPN thinks the Panthers
are going to win the division,so I'm going to leave that alone

(12:38):
.
But yes, they have a lot ofinteresting takes over there on
that morning show.
But yeah, I also seeJacksonville coming out on top
here and I don't necessarilythink it's going to be a blowout
, but I also don't think it'sgoing to be necessarily too
stressful.
Hopefully something around thelines of like a 27 to 17, 27 to
you know, 16, something likethat.

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And you know, I think LiamCohen is probably very excited
to see the Carolina Panthers inweek one, based off of his
history with them.
So, yeah, you definitely wantto come out and show that your
offense, specifically in Trevor,and those guys get going.
You know Travis Hunter.
What does he do?
I think we're going to get agood read on, like how they want

(13:20):
to use Travis Hunter, based onwhat type of matchup they can
exploit with him, because rightnow what he's listed as a wide
receiver, starting wide receiveron the depth chart, and then I
think what like DB2 on thedefensive side, something along
those lines.
So I think you'll get a reallygood sense of how they want to
use him, because next week yougot Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins,

(13:42):
so like I would expect to seemore of him on the defensive
side in week two.
I think that's how they'regoing to to kind of like stray a
little bit away from the game.
But people are kind of wonderinghow this is going to work, and
I think that's how it's going towork, depending on what matchup
they want to exploit.
So, of course, put him ondefense next week when you have
two of the best wide receiversin the NFL, and then another

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week when you know maybe thesecondary is a little bit weaker
, you play him more on offenseand sparingly on defense, and
vice versa throughout the entireyear.
So there's going to be a lot ofpeople excited about this
matchup and a lot of peopleobviously with their eyes on
Travis Hunter and Jacksonvilleand seeing how they utilize him.
But I do expect them to winyeah, I agree about the um.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
His usage is gonna depend on matchups and you know
something to consider here withtravis and how he'll be used um
and um.
This might be, this might helppeople with fantasy advice.
So, uh, sleeper or draft orFanDuel if you want to sponsor
us by all means, but yeah, like,keep in mind it's to fill with

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him.
What also could dictate wherehe's going to play?
The health of Tyson Campbell.
Right, Tyson Campbell hasn'thad the healthiest career and
he's very high on our depthchart.
Healthiest career and he's veryhigh on our depth chart.
That doesn't bode well for theJacksonville Jaguars, who
already have secondary questionsto begin with with Tyson
Campbell on the field.

(15:11):
So, that being said, if he'snot healthy you know those games
that he's not healthy, expectto see a lot of Travis Hunter.
I would think, as the you know,number, as you said,
technically number three,cornerback on the depth chart,
but second with the second wave.
So I would, you know, that'ssomething to monitor here.
It's like, how healthy is TysonCampbell throughout the season?

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When it comes to that questionabout how Travis Hunter will be
utilized, let him tell it,though he wants to play a
hundred percent of the snaps onboth sides of the ball and I
know it's going to be momentswhere Liam has to and Liam has
already had to do it.
He had to do it in thepreseason, actually in the first
game.
He's going to have to tellTravis hey, hey, dial it back.
Okay, Like you just came off thefield, Go get you a little bit

(15:57):
of Gatorade.
My guy, you know we got it.
You know Tyson got it.
Jordan Lewis can handle it.
You know, just save that energyfor the offensive side, We'll
get you on defense eventually.
But yeah, that's going to be aninteresting dynamic to watch
Because it's never been donebefore.
Really, when you look at it.
And the Jaguars don't reallyhave a blueprint, aside from

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Deion Sanders and how DeionSanders used him at Colorado.
Deion Sanders and how DeionSanders used him at.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Colorado.
Yeah, they're going to have to,I think, temper Travis's
expectations, especially becausewe want him to be here for a
decade.
Right, you want him to be astar, and you know I but but
very excited to see how he isutilized here in the first game.
I will also say, to playdevil's advocate, the Jaguars
have a tendency to make subparreceiving groups and

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quarterbacks look very good.
Hopefully we are past that herein our in this new age of
Jaguar football.
But, yeah, also day for to forthe segment a little bit later
when we do bowl predictions.
I do have last year's up and Ifeel pretty good, so we'll we'll
talk about that here in just amoment.

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But we are going to talk aboutour regular season schedule
predictions.
We're not going to go game bygame.
Well, in previous years we'vegone like four games, four games
, four games and then five gamesor whatever to switch it up.
We're trying to streamline theepisode a little bit.
So I will just go over theentire schedule with you guys
right now, from week one to 18.
Week one, of course, carolina.

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Week two at Cincinnati.
Week three versus Houston.
Week four at San Francisco.
Week five Monday Night Footballhere against Kansas City.
Week six at home againstSeattle.
Week seven in London I'm sorryat Wembley against the Rams.
Then their bye week.
Week 9 at Las Vegas.
Week 10 at Houston.

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Week 11 here against theChargers.
Week 12 at Arizona.
Week 13 at Tennessee.
Week 14 here against Indythat's a win.
Week 15 at home against theJets.
Week 16 out at Mile High versusDenver at Indy in week 17.
And then closing it out here athome against the Tennessee

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Titans.
So, jay, we kind of were talkingabout this before we got
started, and the way that I'mcoming into the season is like
whenever I get optimistic aboutthis team, they always let me
down.
So I thought about going alittle bit on the lower side and
then I started looking at thegames that I are counting, the
games I really think that theyare going to lose, and I really

(18:32):
only came up with well, thenumber was a lot lower than I
thought it was going to be.
I'll put it that way.
So kind of talk through yourthought process as we get to our
uh, our uh record predictions,because you've already kind of
put like a soft prediction outthere over on our TikTok.
So how are you feeling heretoday Again, a couple of days
from the season starting.

(18:53):
Are you going to stay where youwere?
Are you going to go a littlebit higher or lower?

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, I think I will stick with the 10 wins that I
predicted in the TikTok videoand the reason I came to that
conclusion me and you weretalking beforehand.
Right, and it may not even moreso be optimism for the Jaguars.

(19:18):
But again, history, me and youtalk about this I always stick
to history in football.
You know, if you end out, go tohistory, what does history say?
What does you know?
And then you know, when itcomes to the stuff on the field,
what does the film say?
You know in terms of the stuffon the film, but history and I

(19:39):
went back and looked at some ofthe things in history and one
thing that keeps standing out isthe fact that when a lot of
analysts make these predictionsof playoff teams, they always
miss one or two or many in somecases, as you kind of talked

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about a little bit beforehandhere.
And I say, okay, well, that'sbound to happen, because it
happens in most years than not.
What team makes the most senseto making it into the playoffs?
That people aren't predictingto make it into the playoffs
this year?
And when you just kind of lookaround the afc, honestly the
jaguars make the most sense,right?

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The other one that makes alittle bit of sense because they
got raids now, is the Patriots.
So that's the other one thatyou know I kept getting stuck on
and when, when I kind of cameto that realization, I was like,
well, maybe I shouldn't shave agame off of my 10 win
prediction that I had, you know,because that's where I was

(20:41):
going to shave one off of that10 and just go with nine, which
still, by the way, you know,I've seen predictions where nine
wins could get it here in theAFC South.
You know I'm not saying that'sgoing to be the case and that's,
you know, going to happen, butit could.
But I digress from my point.
It just feels like we make themost sense of being the team

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that people are missing in termsof these playoff predictions
over some of the other teamsthat you would want to put in
that boat that missed theplayoffs last year.
So that's what really made mekind of stick with my guns here
of a 10 win season.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Before I get to mine.
This is also how we looked atit before we got started is, you
know, there are always a fewnew playoff teams in both
conferences every year.
So the teams that we were here,the seven teams that made the
playoffs last year, of courseKansas City, buffalo, baltimore,
houston, the Chargers, theSteeler, pittsburgh and then
Denver.
So who there do we think couldbe out?
I think Pittsburgh's out.
I don't trust Aaron Rodgerswhatsoever and I think that this
is going to be a kind of a yearwhere it's like a last last

(21:55):
dance kind of thing with MikeTomlin I think he's going to be
coaching somewhere else nextyear, which is crazy to say and
then probably Houston.
So again, I'm I'm not one ofthose guys.
I do think that CJ Stroudregressed last year, but they
still have won a playoff gametwo years in a row and that's
not easy to do.

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I'm not going to throw away thefact that they've won two
playoff games in two years.
And their defense is elite andtheir defense is excellent.
They still have a good coachingstaff, even though they got a.
You know well, yeah, they stillgot a jackass over on defense
over there in Houston, but youknow that's neither here nor
there.
So do you remove Houston, youremove Pittsburgh.

(22:37):
Here are the teams that almostmade the playoffs last year Jay,
cincinnati, indianapolis andMiami 9-8 for Cincy, 8-9 for
Indy, 8-9 for Miami, a 9-8 forthat Bengals team.
By the way, you may have beenable.
If you gave Joe Burrow the MVPlast year, I wouldn't have been
like One.
He was my MVP prediction lastyear, but also I wouldn't have

(22:59):
been like super mad about it,even though they missed the
playoffs.
So 9-8, 10 and seven gets youin contention for even a
wildcard spot.
So I also I went with nine andeight.
I want one less win than youdid, but, like you said, that
could win the division or evenget them into the playoffs.
With the way things look andthere's always when you look at

(23:20):
the schedule, there's always agame that they should have won,
that they lost and they shouldhave lost that they won.
So that's always going tohappen.
So the teams that I like, Isaid the way that I look to this
, who are the teams that I thinkthey're for sure, or at least
have the highest likelihood oflosing to?
I think they lose to Cincinnati.
I think they split with Houston.
I think they lose to SanFrancisco in San Francisco,

(23:42):
because they just don't playwell out there.
Lose Monday night to Kansas City.
I think they lose to the Ramsat Wembley.
I think they lose to theChargers I figured I wasn't
keeping count again, but I thinkthat's like five or six and
then lose to Denver in Denver.
And then you look at anothersplit between Indy.

(24:03):
I think they can.
I don't ever want to saythey're going to sweep the
Titans just because it's theTitans and even when they're
supposed to beat them they don't.
So like again, that's like 7-8losses.
So I feel good about 9-8, withthe ability with not being super
surprised if they do win 10 ormaybe even 11 games.

(24:25):
But also, if you told methey're going to be 7 and 10,
that wouldn't shock me eitheryeah, I was about to ask that.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
So, phil, if they win like seven or more, so eight
games, how would you feel aboutthe season then?
I I wouldn't you know I'll bemad because I'm predicting them
to go to the playoffs, but Iwouldn't be like terribly
disappointed.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
That's certainly something to build on for a
first year head coaching, firstyear gm and first year um evp if
they go seven and ten andlisten, there's no such thing as
a uh, you know a loss is a loss, you know there's not really
anything to take away from that.
But if you play kansas city andthe rams and the chargers

(25:08):
really tough, you know what dothey lose 10, one score games
last year.
Uh, go to denver and be andplay really really well, you
know.
And then that Rams game is oneof those games that they can win
, even though the Rams, I think,are better because it's in
London.
So that's easily.
That's one of not easily.
That's one of those games wherethey're like oh, we've done
this, you know, they go outthere and they, they, you know,

(25:29):
overperform.
So that's one of those gamesthat can flip flop and then you
lose to like the Jets, who Idon't think they have any
business losing to, you know, inDecember, but who knows what
that team's going to look likeover them.
So I wouldn't be upset withseven, I think anything less
than seven, then I'm a littleconcerned.
If it's less than seven and wedon't see any progression, and

(25:51):
maybe Travis Hunter and BTJ andthose guys are kind of
regressing or not figuring itout, then I'm a little concerned
.
So obviously there's a lot ofoptics that go with that, but I
wouldn't be terribly upset withseven wins.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Right, right, and something else that you
mentioned.
That kind of plays into this Ithink for you as well, but
certainly for me, is I pulled itup too I was looking at it and
Bill Barnwell, who typicallyhe's with ESPN he doesn't really
give the Jaguars a chance in alot of his work, but he does a

(26:26):
lot of analytics right With withESPN and for ESPN.
He's a columnist there and heuses a lot of like the football
power index and all of theseanalytics that he likes to use
that play into his predictionsand his articles.
And you know he brought it upthat the Jaguars went three and

(26:48):
ten in one score games and a keyto this is, well, how do you
win a lot of one score games andalso three and ten with them
going?
He also mentioned that they,like in his analytics, they felt
like the most, like one of theleast lucky teams in terms of
those situations, so theyweren't very lucky either.

(27:10):
They would have someunfortunate luck in these games.
That would just decide those,you know, one possession games
or, yeah, one score games orwhatever the case may be.
But how do you win a lot ofthree and ten games that you
were close to winning and youknow that you were just on the
cusp of winning.
Well, you win that with a rungame and, that being said, you I

(27:34):
know it was the preseason, butI like what I see out of this
run game.
I like the fact that you knowit seems that Liam Cohen has
something.
Don't know exactly what it isand what exactly call it, and I
don't know if it's the scheme orwhatever the case may be, but

(27:54):
he has that ability to, whenthere's an issue, to have the
Jaguars overcome it just by thesimple aspect of more repetition
and practice and what have you?
And that didn't seem to be thecase last year.
No matter how much repetitionwe had in situations, the

(28:15):
offensive line still look badand remain bad.
Keep in mind, we have some ofthose same offensive linemen
from the Doug Peterson era wholook way better than they did
last year, and I'm talking aboutWalker Little.
I'm talking about EzraCleveland.
You know like we were thinking,like Millum was going to like
overtake Cleveland Now, granted,millum is on, he's injured

(28:37):
right now, but Ezra Cleveland,we didn't hear a peep out of him
, which is a good thing in thepreseason.
We didn't hear a peep out ofWalker Little, which is a good
thing.
Right, the talk about this teamcoming out of the offseason was
hey, they kept Trevor clean andthey ran the ball well.
The offseason was hey, theykept Trevor clean and they ran

(28:58):
the ball well.
Those are the things that helpyou win those.
You know that record of threeand ten in games that were won
by, you know, or lost by onescore or possession or whatever
the case may be.
That's exactly how you combatthat and win those games is with
a run game and protectingTrevor Lawrence, and it seems
like they were well aware ofthat, like they really put
emphasis on fixing that, and Ithink that is what gets this

(29:22):
team over the hump field interms of that nine to ten win
bracket that we're putting themin.
I think that's going to be thekey to getting them to those
nine to ten wins, especiallylate in the season, because,
like late in the season, theycan rattle off a lot of wins,
because that's the weak part ofthe season.
Right, the hardest thing theyplay late in the season is the

(29:43):
broncos, so they can catch firemid-season you know that around
that rams game that youmentioned, or after that rams
game, catch fire and just rattleoff a few and that can get them
.
That stretch could get them tonine to 10 wins, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, I agree, I didn't even think of it that way
because, like you said, afterthe bye week, you know you go to
Las Vegas, which going out West, you never know.
Then you have at Houston, thenthe Chargers, cardinals, titans,
then you play the Titans andthe Colts.
You know four times betweenthose two teams.
So, yeah, that is a really,really good point, like you said

(30:21):
, going to mile high, and Ithink Denver is going to be
really good.
I'm not like the biggest Bo Nixbeliever, but I am a Sean
Payton and Denver Broncosdefense believer.
No-transcript game differencein terms of 2024 combined

(31:05):
opponent record between thosetwo teams.
So it's not that big of a gap,even though it's a six um slot
difference.
But yeah, uh.
But, jay, let's get into thebold predictions.
Did you have anything else youwant to touch on as far as the
schedule before we move on?

Speaker 2 (31:20):
no, I mean you.
You pretty much touched on it,man okay.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Well, I'm about to unfortunately make you look real
bad here, because I do have2024's bold predictions.
Do you remember yours from lastyear?

Speaker 2 (31:34):
no, I tried to look it up in the transcripts, but it
was probably terrible, bro, itwas probably terrible.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
I think my last three was worse.
It's pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
It can't be worse than the one before that.
I think the one before that waspretty bad, but go ahead.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yours was that Andre Sisco will lead the league in
interceptions.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Oh, my God, I did say that, jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
You know how, with six or seven?
Do you know how many he had?

Speaker 2 (32:00):
one what yeah he had one.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Listen, I was on that cisco hype train as well.
You know that I was, and I havean andre cisco jersey hanging
in the closet over there amongstsome of my other poor purchases
.
But listen, man, I wasn'tagainst you on that one.
So, yeah, that was Jay's lastyear.
Mine again, I feel very goodabout myself, jay, when you edit

(32:28):
this, if you want to put in around of applause, you certainly
can, no pressure.
Mine was that Brian Thomas Jrwill lead rookie receivers in
touchdowns.
Nice, guess who led the leadrookie receivers in touchdowns
last year?
One, brian Thomas Jr.
I said let's see, we're talkingthis is what I said.

(32:49):
We're talking anywhere between10 to 12 touchdowns.
He could be on the top of thatlist when it comes to this
rookie class and all those guysthere.
I'd take any day of the weekbecause I'm uh, contemplating
getting your brian thomas jerseyand if he gets us 10 touchdowns
, my purchase will be very valid.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
So I still need to get that jersey, but yeah, so
that was.
Let me ask you this, phil lastyear, yeah, how did you sense it
?
Was it conversations we had, orit was preseason?

Speaker 1 (33:12):
remember he was lighting it up in the preseason.
He had those really good gamesin the preseason.
I was like, okay, we might haveone here.
We also were thinking prettyhighly of the Gabe Davis signing
at the time, so we thought thatwould help him a bit.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Who's returning to the Bills, by the way?

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Maybe that's what he needed, man, we'll see.
Shout out to Gabe Davis.
So I feel pretty good, as weare years and years removed from
the Josh Oliver take, I feelpretty good about that one.
But, jay, I'll go first for mybold prediction this year and
I'm not going to go anything toospicy, I just want to go
something fun.

(33:52):
And when we're talking about ourguy Travis Hunter, I don't know
that he'll win the award oneither side, but I do think that
travis hunter will finish inthe top five voting of rookie of
the year on both sides of thefootball.
I think when we're talking aboutthe way jimmy gladstone talks
about him and they talk abouthow they want to use him, I

(34:15):
think you know he doesn't haveto have a ton of interceptions
to win defensive rookie of theyear.
If he's out there making animpact each and every single
week and then if he catches six,seven touchdowns, I mean, if
he's doing it on both sides ofthe football, you got to
consider him for the award onboth sides.
If he is putting up numbersagain, I don't know how much of
a hot take that is.

(34:35):
I know a lot of people havelofty expectations, but the
national media, especiallyformer players, don't think he
can do this at all.
So I'm betting on Travis Hunter, and I'm betting that, when it
comes down to it, he will atleast be in the conversation for
Rookie of the Year, on both theoffensive and defensive side.
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (34:52):
And current players don't either.
You know, we've heard NookHawkins and all of these people
say it like aside from histeammates, but no, yeah, no,
that's.
I don't even know if it's likeSuper Bowl, but yeah, I could
see that happening.
And you know, actually, nowthat you mention it, I could see
Travis Hunter, because this issomething that me and Jamal

(35:14):
talked about.
I could see Travis Hunter beinga, like a pro bowler this year
on, like either one side or bothsides of the ball because of
popularity, like it is apopularity contest.
Make no mistake about it.
He is the most popular Jetsplayer on the roster, but more
so.
Getting back to, yeah, yourprediction, yeah, no, I could, I

(35:35):
could see that.
I like to think that, um andthis is not my bold prediction,
but I like to think that he's atleast capable of winning rookie
of the year on one side of theball at the least.
So I'm more a little bit likehigher on where he might end up,
but um, which side do you thinkwould be more likely if he were
to win?

(35:55):
Again, it depends, man, Like ifTyson Campbell stays healthy on
the receiving side, if TysonCampbell don't stay healthy,
then on the defensive side.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah, I'm trying to think who are the best receivers
he's going to go up against, ofcourse, the duo in Cincinnati.
Is Tank Dell back for Houston,or is he still out?
I haven't been, he's out for ayear he's still out.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Okay, he's gonna oh, that's what happened at the end
of the year, didn't it?

Speaker 1 (36:22):
yeah?

Speaker 2 (36:22):
that injury.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
San Francisco, iuke will probably still be out.
Kansas City, obviously likethat.
It doesn't really matter wholines up at receiver.
Uh, the Seahawks have a prettydecent receiving group.
Of course.
You have the Rams Raiders.
You have Brock Bowers, but Idon't think he'll be lined up
against Bowers.
The Chargers, marvin HarrisonJr with the Cardinals, tennessee

(36:45):
.
Well, you have Ridley Indy.
They have a couple of guys, theJets, garrett Wilson, denver.
There are definitely sometop-tier receivers on this list
list, but he's not facing a tonof them.
So, um, you know well, we'llsee.
But yeah, like you said, itdoes depend on.
I think a lot of this rides onthe health of Tyson Campbell.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
It's a good point yeah, yeah, I agree, man.
Um, hopefully Tyson stayshealthy and he could just focus
on um offense more so thandefense.
He's still going to see time onboth sides, but if he can
really just hone in on theoffensive side of the ball, I
think that'll really help him inregards to the votes, because

(37:29):
wide receiver is a glorified,more popular position anyway and
I feel like anything he does onthat side will be kind of
heightened.
Any positive highlights he makewill be heightened more than
anything he does on thedefensive side.
So we'll see and time will tell, man, but I'm excited, you know
, I'm really happy to see likeand excited to see what the

(37:52):
future holds for him andshout-outs to him and Trevor in
the Adidas commercial man, yeah,to see two.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Jacksonville Jaguars.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah, two new.
Well, Trevor's been a husbandfor two years now.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Newer dads, yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, it's so dope, it's so dope man.
But I guess I'll get into mytake.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
I guess there's only nowhere to go but up for years,
jay.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
So there you go, there you go and actually what
you said, you know um abouttravis hunter kind of ties into
mine.
It's not a travis hunterprediction but it does tie into
this um and I think if things golike me, you think they're
going, based on the predictions,I think Liam Cohen will be and

(38:38):
I know it's hard to do as aJaguars coach, but I think he'll
be coach of the year and thereason is because there's so
much talk about Trevor Lawrenceis a bus and if he can
rejuvenate Trevor Lawrence likehe's literally the punching bag
of the league, if Liam Cohen canrejuvenate the punching bag of

(39:00):
the league in Trevor Lawrence,that will help his case a lot.
Because keep in mind, phil, onething about the feeling on
Trevor Lawrence it's not justwithin the fans, right, it's not
a fan thing.
I think, like other executivesand coaches, think trevor
lawrence isn't good too, and youcould tell by these articles

(39:22):
that are written where they talkto other executives that you
know they'll do.
An anonymous executive oranonymous coach and the things
that are said about trevorlawrence makes me feel like the
league.
You know coaches and generalmanagers and assistant general
managers.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
They've moved on.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, they are.
So if Liam can rejuvenate himand also, going back to what I
was saying, bringing it backhome here, something that you
touched on Travis Hunter and hisusage and his usage again,
we're going into unprecedentedterritory here, something we

(40:00):
haven't seen in the league ever,with how much they want to use
Travis Hunter.
So, essentially, liam Cohen hasbeen given the keys of doing
something that's never been donebefore with playing Travis
Hunter, and this is them sayingthis.
They want at least you, itfeels like it at least 70% on
both sides of the ball.

(40:20):
If he can do it or not, timewill tell on that.
But for Liam Cohen to be giventhe keys and just be given the
ability to guide Travis Hunterthrough that, I think that'll
help his case to be the coach ofthe year as well, because again
, it's something that has neverbeen done.
The only thing Liam Cohen has togo off of again like is he

(40:45):
can't go, and you know how I wasjust talking about, right, you
always go back to history, right?
Well, you can't go back in avault and find film of somebody
who's been used as much as theywant to use Travis Hunter on
both the offensive side and thedefensive side of the ball.
Yeah, people say like primetime, he wouldn't use that much
on the offensive side like theywant to use.

(41:05):
Like you know, prime was seeinglike 10 offensive snaps Right
and the rest were defensivesnaps.
It wasn't nothing too crazy,the rest were defensive snaps.
It wasn't nothing too crazy.
It was just that prime was sogood with the few offensive
snaps you gave him that itlooked like he was just like
inhuman and he is to this dayHall of Famer man.
You're like one of the greatestto ever do it.
But there is no film vault thatLiam Cohen can go into and

(41:30):
figure out how to use TravisHunter and I think like if
they're successful with theirplan, at least for this year,
all he has to do is besuccessful with them this year
and that plan.
It doesn't matter what the restof Travis Hunter's career looks
like the Jacksonville with theJacksonville Jaguars, because we
hope he has a long career withus.
But in the future if they wantto dial back on his offensive

(41:52):
snaps or defensive snaps, theycan, but this year if they want
to use back on his offensivesnaps or defensive snaps, they
can, but this year if they wantto use him like they say they're
going to use him and they'resuccessful and the Jacksonville
Jaguars get either that ninewins that you said or the 10
wins that I said they will get,then Liam Cohen needs to be the
coach of the year, and also tothis too, man man again, like

(42:14):
all he has to feel really to goback on in history.
The only person that can helphim with this really is Deion
Sanders and how they used him atColorado.
Aside from that, nobody canhelp Liam Cohen on this matter
of how they will use TravisHunter.
But I think, if all goes well,you got to get that man
offensive player.

(42:34):
Excuse me, you got to get thatman coach of the year.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah, I think, like you mentioned that right out of
the gate, like it's difficultfor a Jaguar coach to win that
award.
But if they say, if they reallyoverachieve, and it's like 11
and 6, 12 and 5, I can see itbecause I think that's what, if
Mike Vrabel turns this thingaround, you don't think they're

(43:04):
going to be so eager to givethis back to New England, new
England's back baby.
Look at Bill Parcells gettingdragged through the mud in North
Carolina and Mike Vrabel's gotthem.
He's right in the ship.
Belichick what did I say?
Parcells?
Oh, parcells.
Yes, I'm looking at this formerNew England Patriots coaching

(43:25):
tree.
Yeah, belichick is down therewith his sorority girlfriend
getting destroyed on MondayNight Football.
They'll be eager to give itback to Mike Vrabel, who
obviously has done it and beenvery successful.
Trying to think of some of theseother coaches that wouldn't be

(43:46):
maybe as obvious, like SeanPayton.
They'd be really eager to giveit back to Sean Payton if Denver
wins the division.
I don't even think it wouldtake that much, you know.
So I could see somebody likethat.
But if he gets them to 10 wins,he should definitely be in the
conversation for sure, becauseall the rest of the coaches like
as far as well.

(44:06):
I'm only looking at AFC rightnow.
Obviously it could be somebodyin the NFC too.
You gotta feel like who's thecoach down in Tampa again?

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Bowles.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Todd Bowles.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Like he is.
You gotta feel like maybe he'soverdue for one If Tampa
continues to do well and maybehe puts up like 12 wins,
something like that.
I don't know, but I definitelythink he could be in the in the
running, especially if they win,like you said, 10 or 11 games.
I think if they overachieve, hefor sure should be in the top

(44:43):
three conversation.
But, um, the guy that I wouldbet on would be rabel if they,
if they turn that thing around.
But I don't hate it.
It's a lot.
Um, you're covered a lot betterthan the andre cisco one.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
So that's a good call yeah, yeah, man, I don't know.
Man andre came out there, bro,and had I been reflecting on the
um the prediction I would haveseen early, like, oh man, I'm in
some trouble here, man becauseman he looks sluggish but, to be
fair, that whole defense wasoverweight.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
And I don't mean when I say overweight.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
They put on too much muscle is what I mean by the way
.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Yeah, they didn't focus on the right things.
Is there another guy before weget to our Super Bowl
predictions?
Right things, yeah, who isthere another guy before we get
to our Superbowl predictions andwrap the episode up?
Is there another guy who was inthat conversation of players
that had that crazy drop offfrom, like their opening years
and then you know, then theywere no longer with the team.
All of a sudden, like LaViscaChanel comes to mind, like,
thinking about him, got off to agreat start.

(45:46):
Everybody thought he was goingto be this incredible weapon for
the jaguars for years.
Those are the.
That's one of the more recentexamples that I can think of.
But, like again, I thoughtcisco was going to be a pro bowl
player for years, like one ofthe best safeties in the league.
Um, who was at?
Our old colleague over, Ibelieve, joel de leon, he, he
loved andre cisco.
So, you know, maybe we, maybewe'll see.
If you know, if you, I don't.
Well, he didn't put up, he wasgetting cooked in the preseason,

(46:06):
so I don't know how he's goingto do with the Jets.
I don't.
I don't know that he's going tofollow the Quincy Williams tree
and have a reclamation in NewYork.
We'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
But I mean, hey, I guess it's not a bad thing to
have.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
I was just about to say that if anybody can save you
, man, it's, it's ag man, ifanybody can.
We haven't heard anything aboutthe jets the entire offseason.
That's how tight he's.
He's running that ship.
He's like everyone shut thehell up and come to work.
That's what eric is doing overthere in in new york.
So I don't think they're goingto be good this year, but I
think they're going to be goodin the coming years over there
and, uh, with the jets.
So, um, but, jay, to wrap up ourepisode, we want to talk about

(46:52):
our super bowl picks.
Do you remember who yours lastyear was?
I remember mine being thechiefs and the lions, and I
honestly that probably there's apossibility.
I wouldn't have been wrong ifthe Lions weren't just decimated
injury wise in 2024.
I'm trying to remember whatyours was.
Was it bills?
Did you put the bills in lastyear too, or did you put in the

(47:14):
bills last year?
I'm trying to remember.
I'll see if I can find thegraphic that I put up.
Um, but what are you feeling asfar as early on here, you know
our Super Bowl picks.
Obviously, a million things canchange.
But what are you feeling herein September when are you going
to go?

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Yeah, so I'm going to go with.
If I went with the Bills lastyear, I'm going with the Bills
again this year.
I just think, like this is andI think it's more so pete prisco
kind of put this into like mythought process man, um, you
know he, he has the bills alsoum, going to the like play like

(47:52):
the super bowl and winning it,if I'm not mistaken.
And you know we, we respect theheck out of pete prisco and his
predictions.
Man and I was already leaningto the Bills again, but when
Pete said I was like you knowwhat, I'm going to follow the OG
on this, so I follow Pete onthis one.
I love their team all around.

(48:13):
Man, love Sean McDermott, youknow, great coach.
By the way, josh Allen has justcontinued to prove me wrong.
Like now, I have been on JoshAllen in terms of being a good
player for the last three years,but like just in the beginning
of his career, I didn't, I neverwould imagine he become what he

(48:34):
has become to this day.
Like he is the biggest prospectin terms of when you look at
him in college and what youthought he could have been
coming out of college until youknow now he went in the total
opposite direction.
Like he's really proved mewrong.
He's a great quarterback andthat's what you need, man,
that's what you need to getthrough this.

(48:54):
And then, on the NFC side, Iwent with the Packers.
And the reason I got stuck onthe Packers is when I was like
researching Anthony Campanile, Ijust became infatuated with
their defense and you know theirdefense is very underrated.
I know like in most eyesthey're like top 10, but you

(49:15):
know they might be like top four.
To be honest with you, you knowlike that defense could get
them a long way.
I've always liked Jordan Love,even though he didn't get the
opportunities he should havegotten early in his career.
Like he didn't become a starteruntil what like year two or
three or whatever the case maybe, but he's made good strides
year after year after year andhe's improving steadily.

(49:37):
I like what I see out of him.
So, yeah, I went with them justbecause, like just that defense
really caught my eye when Istudied Anthony Campanile and I
just kind of stuck with them interms of, like I already planted
that chip in my head when Iwatched the defense.
But then when I thought aboutit in the like the strides that

(49:57):
Jordan Love could make inaddition to you know what they
have on that side of the ball.
I was like you know what?
I can see the Packers pullingthis off.
You know what they have on thatside of the ball.
I was like you know what?
I can see the Packers pullingthis off and you know, I even
think, like they don't.
Really the Lions might not bemore so in their way like they
have been in the past, becausethe Lions had a lot of overturn
right, changing both offensiveand defensive coordinators.

(50:18):
Now that I'm thinking about itit we just talked about it ag is
with the jets and um johnson iswith the bears, so yeah, oh,
wow, they let him stay in thedivision too.
Uh, so there's that as well.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Um lions not in their way as much as they used to be,
but I'm gonna roll with thepackers and bills phil, who you
got yeah, I remember, like Iknow a lot of people think that
jordan love regressed last year,but he got injured the first
week of the season and I don'tthink he ever got right.
And because they for somereason want to play this game in
brazil, which makes no sense,you take away.

(50:54):
If a fan base knows abouttaking away a home game from
your audience, it's jacksonville.
I just don't understand, like,why they're so set on.
I understand wanting to growthe game internationally, but
like that's not the way to do it, man, I don't, I don't like it
at all.
But, um, yeah, I don't hatethat.
I mean josh allen.
I know I know bills fans andthe bills in general not popular

(51:16):
around here, but I've mentionedhim before.
I have a lot of friends inbuffalo and I really think josh
allen is one of the easiest guysto root for.
He's a good person.
Haley Steinfeld good for him.
He's had the best offseasonmaybe of anybody.
I really considered if MatthewStafford was healthy I would

(51:36):
very much consider the Rams andactually a shout out to our
buddy Maurice Jones-Drew Ramsover Bengals is his pick for the
Super Bowl.
But if you told me that MatthewStafford was going to be
healthy the whole year and maybe, like Aaron Donald, decides to
come out of retirement in weeknine, then maybe I would go with

(51:57):
the Rams, the, the very boringand safe pick that my head wants
to say is chiefs eagles,because I really do feel that
people are writing off thechiefs too easily.
But if they have that offensiveline fixed, which was obviously
their biggest concern,especially in the super bowl,

(52:17):
then who's to say that the, thatthe ravens or the bills are
ever going to get over that humpthis year?
But I'm going to go with what Iwant to see and I'll go
Ravens-Lions.
Actually oh, last year, by theway, jay, last year we both went
Lions-Chiefs.
You picked the Lions to win itall.
I picked Kansas City, but weboth picked the Lions and the

(52:37):
Chiefs to be in the Super Bowl.
But I'm going to go with whatmy heart wants to see and that
is Ravens, lions, love LamarJackson.
The Lions are my first ever NFLfandom, so I still follow and
root for them to this day and Iwould just love to see it, even
though, like you said, there'sso much turnover but there is so
much talent on Detroit and like, come on, you got the NFL.

(53:00):
Gods have to reward them forbeing this franchise that has
been in in the gutter longerthan Jacksonville has, and a
franchise that has the historythat it does.
I would just love to see theRavens over Lions.
But, jay, come January orFebruary we're going to be
gearing up for another TravisKelsey Taylor, gearing up for

(53:26):
another Travis Kelsey Taylor orsorry, travis Swift, patrick
Mahomes Super Bowl and we'regonna be like great, we gotta
watch this all over again.
But I want to see Ravens Lions,so that's what I'll go with
yeah, it took my best not to putthe Ravens in there.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
it took my the Lions.
It was easy to to keep theLions out because of all the
overturn, but the Raves, it tookmy best because Lamar Jackson
is truly the best player in thisleague and you know he should
be a Jacksonville Jaguar.
There's that.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Boy.
But who's to say we wouldn'thave just ruined him?

Speaker 2 (53:58):
That's true, that's so true, man.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
But you know they're long overdue for one man, um, I
think harbaugh, harbaugh isoverdue for one and um, you know
it's always like that one micromistake they make in the
playoffs that keeps them offmark andrews last year.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Yeah, yeah you know, but I I do feel like lamar has
kind of figured it out in thepostseason but yeah, like I mean
he has that bad interceptionbut I mean playing in buffalo in
in the playoffs with thatweather, like it's not easy.
He threw 41 touchdowns to fourinterceptions last year, man and
.
And they still gave the awardto josh allen, who was also

(54:40):
great.
But like, come on, he had abetter season than the two years
that he won MVP.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Yeah, man, and look, we just had the conversation
about the issue with the Lionsis the overturn and losing Ben
Johnson and losing Aaron Glenn.
Well, lamar Jackson is keepingTodd Monken, who has done
phenomenal with him.
I love Todd Monken Go Dawgs, bythe way so we see what Todd

(55:09):
Monken can do in college.
And look, he's looked evenbetter on the pro level, man.
So Todd Monken is still there.
He's not going anywhere.
I think we even interviewedTodd Monkenfield, by the way,
for the job here when we werelooking for a coach.
But, yeah, man, all of that,said man, like that continued

(55:30):
growth with your offensivecoordinator, especially one that
good you know it's.
You know, some people might notput Todd Monken in their top 10
, but I definitely would.
I got a lot of respect for thatguy but, yeah, that continued
growth with him and thatcontinued relationship with him
and Lamar, you got to think thathelps them as well, because
that's what I'm saying, that'sthe thing that's going to maybe

(55:51):
hurt the Lions.
So, yeah, man, no, I like thatidea.
And you said the Lions.
For the other one, one thing Iwill say that gives them a
chance, right.
One thing I will say that givesthem a chance.
Right, brad Holmes is a great GM.
He didn't go anywhere and he'sprobably not going to go
anywhere for a long, long time,and that's a lot of why Ben

(56:17):
Johnson and Aaron Glenn wereable to have the success that
they were having so long.
As you have Holmes there, youknow you're still in it, so
there's that.
And also, too, of know you'restill in it, so there is that.
And also too, of course, danCampbell isn't going anywhere
anytime soon.
Great coach as well.
So you know they do have thosetwo pieces still there in place,
still continue growth withJared Goff, even though he has a

(56:38):
new offensive coordinator.
You know we're talking about theteam here, who their receivers
are mostly returning, except forTim Patrick, because he traded
him to, they traded him to us.
But most of their receivers arecoming back.
I can't remember what theshakeup is on their offensive
line I'll have to look into thatbut a lot of their skill guys

(56:59):
are returning, the guys that youknow made them a lot of put up
a lot of points for them arereturning.
So look, it's not out of therealm of possibilities, man,
it's certainly not.
And they get Aiden Hutchinsonback, hopefully healthy, you
know, hopefully.
We'll see.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Yeah, I would certainly like to see Detroit
and those fans have something tocheer about once again and
finally get into the big game.
But yeah, folks, there is our2025 season preview episode.
What do you think, how do youguys think, the season is going
to pan out for Jacksonville?
What do you think the floor is?

(57:33):
What do you think the ceilingis?
What do you think about ourbull takes and what is your bull
take and Super Bowl pick for2025?
But, jay, anything else we needto cover before we get out of
here.
And we got a game to watch herethis weekend in Duval County.
I know the fans are going to beready.
Shout out to those of you thatare going to brave that heat man

(57:54):
.
I could not do it anymore, butwe're only a couple years away
from at least a cooler game dayexperience.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
But, jay, anything else you want to cover before we
get out of here for the nightno, man, we hit on it all today
that I wanted to cover, um,hopefully, I don't want to say I
think we'll look back at thisepisode and be happy happy about
what we said, but hopefully wewill um, it is the jaguars.
But uh, yeah, as I mentionedearlier, man, just glad that we

(58:21):
got a new regime to at leastgive us something to look
forward with, regardless of whatthe record ends up being man.
But, yeah, man, I enjoyed thisepisode, as always.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Hopefully we'll have many, many more predictions to
come and many, many moreprediction episodes to come yeah
, hey, liam cohen and thejaguars make it so that we don't
want to stop podcasting fivegames into the season this year.
That would also very much beappreciated.
Don't start off oh and four.
And then we're like what are weeven doing here?
Let's keep the existentialdread away from at least until

(58:55):
the end of the season.
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Week one baby Go Jags.