October 15, 2025 • 54 mins
We break down a flat 20–12 loss to the Seahawks, why the trenches failed, and what has to change before the London trip. Credit to Seattle’s plan, but we set firmer expectations for a 4–2 team.
In our latest episode we discussed the following topics:
• Offensive line pressure and sack surge on Trevor Lawrence
• Missing Robert Hainsey’s run blocking and leadership
• Special teams regression with Cam Little
• Wide receiver matchups and Seattle’s route craft
• Clarifying what Travis Hunter’s role should be
• Pass rush stagnation, Josh Allen attention, need for an interior penetrator
• Rams in London without Puka Nacua and the Jags without. Devin Lloyd
• AFC South outlook and cleaning penalties to raise the floor
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SPEAKER_00 (00:59):
Welcome to the Touchdown Jaguars Podcast.
Here are your hosts, JamesJohnson and Phil Smith.
SPEAKER_01 (01:08):
Hey everybody, welcome back to the Touchdown
Jaguars Podcast.
I am your co-host, Phil Barrera,and here with me as always is
your other co-host, JamesJohnson.
And Jay, we are, for the firsttime in a few weeks, actually
not recording on a victoryMonday.
Unfortunately, the JacksonvilleJaguars fell to the Seattle
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Seahawks 20-12 in a pretty roughgame to watch, to say the least.
So we will talk about all ofthat here this evening.
Only their second loss of theseason, and I know a lot of
people are trying to spineverything, you know,
positively, which is certainlyunderstandable.
Uh, because you know what?
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Heading into the London game, ifyou told us that the
Jacksonville Jaguars were goingto be four and two uh heading uh
right before their trip acrossthe pond, you certainly would
take that.
But, you know, interested totalk to you about that here
today, about that specificmindset.
And should we start expectingmore from this team?
But Jay, excited to talk to youabout this here tonight, uh,
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after the Jags had maybe alittle bit of a hangover, a
Monday night football hangover,and you know, just looked pretty
sloppy against the SeattleSeahawks.
SPEAKER_04 (02:19):
Yeah, man, I was working throughout the process,
but um I was able to see some ofit, and then I uh was able to
see up until uh late in thefourth quarter after I got off
of work today.
But yeah, man, a sloppy game.
Um the Seahawks looksignificantly more prepared than
us.
Um they they outclassed us in alot of ways, too.
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And that's not a bad thing tosay because that team is very
talented too.
So I want to stress that firstand foremost.
All right, like the Seahawks area good team, and a lot of people
were overlooking them in termsof the ability um that they
have.
And I like Mike McDonald, um, bythe way, who I'm a former Ravens
coordinator, uh very, very smartdefense of mine.
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I like um Clint Kubiak, I thinkis their um offensive
coordinator as well.
You know, we've had somediscussions about him when we
were going through our coachingsearch and we were looking for
an offensive coordinator, right?
So a very underrated team thatwe face there, but still one
that I would say that we shouldhave beat.
And uh, yeah, man, like with umthese games that we have coming
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up um heading forward, it wouldhave been nice to um have won
this one, um, especially withthe Rams coming up.
And I do know the Rams will bewithout Puka as well, so that
you know that will help.
But still, um, you know, you'regoing on a uh stretch where you
could lose two in a row herewhen you look at that Rams game,
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and that's concerning.
Uh, but you know, um Liam uhgave a great press conference
today, and uh it looks like youknow they will do everything in
their power to uh make thisthing not become a two-game
losing streak.
SPEAKER_01 (04:05):
Yeah, I remember like in our preview episode for
the season, you know, we talkedabout maybe it coming out of
these first seven, like goinginto the bye week.
We thought, you know, what threeand four, uh worst case
scenario, a two-and-five, youknow, looking at those wins
maybe being like Carolina andHouston.
But, you know, the argument canbe made.
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Like this team, I mean,obviously four and two, like we
already said, we'll take that,but like the argument can be
made.
The team could even be five andone, six and oh.
And uh, you know, we head overto London to place to face a
very, very good LA Rams team.
But we know how Jacksonvilleperforms uh in this game, and
it's typically pretty well, butuh again, a very, very good LA
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team that they're gonna have togo against here in just uh a
little bit under a week.
So uh before we dive into thegame, want to welcome in any new
listeners and uh and returninglisteners.
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But yeah, Jay, let's dive intoit here.
Uh, once again, the JacksonvilleJaguars fall to the Seattle
Seahawks 20 to 12.
It was a very sloppy game,continuing to be sloppy when it
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comes to turnovers.
And of course, the offensiveline was certainly the talk of
the weekend.
Um, the Jaguars just could notprotect Trevor Lawrence.
I don't have the exact numbershere in front of me.
I'm going through our our buddyuh Daniel Griffiths' page here.
Um I do know, oh, here we go.
Here's the pressures allowed.
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Six by Walker Little, five byPatrick Macari, five by Ezra
Keith Cleveland, four for AntonHarrison, and four for Jonah
Mondheim.
So yeah, just a uh a pretty badday across the board for the
offensive line.
Trevor Lawrence, of course, gotsacked.
What was it, seven times afteronly being sacked five times
heading into this game?
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And yeah, just a lot of thingswent wrong, Jay.
Not only was it a sloppy gamefrom the mindset or from the
standpoint of penalties, uh, itwas just kind of a it was it was
kind of a boring game to watchas well.
I mean, Seattle came in andreally kind of like took
advantage of like again,Jacksonville maybe riding that
high.
And it did seem like at onepoint or at certain points of
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the game, like they justexpected to come out on top.
And uh based off of the last fewweeks, you know, again, they
come off a big Monday nightfootball win, they're maybe uh
feeling themselves a little bit,and it just never came together.
And you know, from the run gameto the passing game, Brian
Thomas Jr.
had himself a nice game, finallygot into the end zone, but it it
was just off, Jay.
And you said this before westarted recording, they never
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were technically out of thegame, at least as far from a
score standpoint.
But me watching it live, it justfelt like Seattle outclassed
them, outcoached them, and frombeginning to end, they looked
like the better football teamout there.
I didn't know this, Jay, thattheir head coach has like an
undefeated record on the roaddating back to when he was
hired.
That's a crazy statisticconsidering how great of a home
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field advantage Seattle has.
But uh, they're a good footballteam, and you know what, the
better team won on Sunday.
SPEAKER_04 (07:30):
Yeah, that was news to me.
I didn't know that Mike McDanielwas such a role warrior, so to
speak, right?
Shoutouts to the old WWE group.
But um, yeah, man.
Um but I'm not shocked though.
Again, you know, he comes from atree that we've talked about a
lot here that we respect here.
Um he comes from that raven'stree, so you know that's kind of
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Mike McDonald, by the way.
SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
You said Mike McDaniel, but yeah.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Yeah, Mike McDonald.
Mike McDaniel is uh we thoughtagain you you're thinking about
him because he's gonna beworking here next year, but not
yet.
SPEAKER_04 (08:03):
Right, right, right.
Um, but yeah, yeah, um McDonald,I'm sorry.
Um comes from that, you know,that Raven's tree where, you
know, this is kind of how Harborstarted his career when he was
there, right?
Um if I can recall, just kind ofbeing able to um overcome odds
and and travel well in additionto when at home as well.
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So uh he was well prepared forthis job.
Um, I think he's going on whatyear two for the job.
But um, yeah, man, like you youmentioned that um, you know, it
just that we discussed that itnever felt like the Jaguars were
out of the game, but at the sametime, I think the best wording
for it is they felt flat thewhole time.
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And um, you know, some of thatcould have been, you know, and I
know a lot of people argue like,hey, these are paid
professionals, and that's a goodargument to make.
I agree with it that hey, theseguys are paid professionals, but
it does feel like they um arecoming off of that high from
Monday night football.
And, you know, that's a realthing in football, and this is
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not me making an excuse forthem.
Like, when you're a paidathlete, hey, you need to be
prepared whether it's a shortweek, whether you are coming off
of a playoff game.
Because look at it this way ifwe go to the playoffs right
field, you're gonna be comingoff a high if you get a win in
the round one of the playoffs,and then you're gonna have to
turn right around week two andhandle business against the next
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team.
So that argument is a validargument that you know that they
can't get too high, they can'tget too low, and they need to be
prepared for the next team.
But um, all of that being said,I do think that's a real thing
in football, um, especially fora team that hasn't won a lot,
right?
So they're not used to likehaving to come off of situations
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like that where you beat the AFCchampions and then like have to
turn right around on a shortweek and handle business.
That being said, though, um Iexpected much, much more out of
this team, you know, and justthe flatness really stood out to
me.
And, you know, at times, like,like you said, it looked very
boring to watch, but it was alsofrustrating to watch as well.
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It's like, where's the energy,right, guys?
Like, I didn't get a sense ofenergy from many people, uh,
maybe Dennis Gerardek, you know,I saw him have some a little bit
of energy, but like even theplayers and Travis Hunter, of
course, he always is energetic,but even the players kind of
look flat.
And also, as you mentioned too,Phil, um, it felt like they
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outclassed us in a lot of ways,especially one way in
particular.
And again, I haven't watched thefull game yet, and I watched the
condensed version, so I canwe're speeding through it.
Um, but they definitelyoutclassed us in the trenches,
and you can tell this is one ofmy first takeaways here, Phil,
is that Robert Haynes he wasmissed, right?
And that's not to say thatMondheim had a bad game because
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I think he only allowed apressure or two.
Um they said on the chart,whereas the rest of the veterans
who have been here for you knowmany years or at least two years
or so, um, allow multiplepressures.
So that's not even to say thatMunheim had a bad game, and I
really like him, and I thinkhe's a gym, and I think we got
something there.
But where we could tell thatHainsey was missed is in terms
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of the run blocking game, right?
I think I was looking on ESPNthe other day, and Robert
Hainsey has like an 82% runblock win rate, which is like
good for second in the league.
So that goes to show you howmuch of an impact he has on the
run game and how much um of adifference there would be there
between him and a rookie, andalso from a leadership
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perspective and a juiceperspective.
Every time you look at sounds ofthe game or these um pep talks
Liam is giving after the game,you hear Hainzy as well, and you
even saw Hainzey with him duringthe infamous keep my name out of
your mouth um whole thing.
But um you see Hainzey alsotrying to um you know put
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positivity in the air with thesepep talks and you know, echoing
what Liam said, and then so onand so forth.
So um, from a leadershipperspective and a juice
perspective, and then in termsof um winning in the trenches
when it comes to running theball, that's where Robert Haynes
was sorely missing.
You know, I hope we get him backsoon enough, but again, at the
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same time, uh still high onJonah Munheim.
And um when it comes to um howthe offense looked, Trevor
Lawrence, you know, there weretimes where I expected better
mechanics for him, and uh themechanics weren't there.
But at the same time, whenyou're pressured as much as he
was pressured in this game, andI pin this one a lot on the
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offensive line.
When you're pressured as much ashe was, like the can the
mechanics, especially for aquarterback who has struggled
with mechanics, are gonna bevery sporadic anyway.
Um, and that's because of youknow having to move in the
pocket a lot, having to throw onthe run a lot.
And to Trevor's defense, he madesomething out of nothing in some
plays, too, Phil, by the way,like where he had to move around
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in the pocket.
So I think for the most part, hedid what he could.
It was one throw where heoverthrew Diami, who was
streaking up the sideline, whereit was like, okay, you got to
hit that.
But for the most part, he madethe best of the pocket that was
given to him for the most part,right?
And um, you know, this one,yeah, you have to feel like it
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will be pinned on the offensiveline.
Um and also, you know, this isan issue that we knew coming
into the season that this nextregime would have to work on,
that Trent Balkey failed atmassively, and that was fixing
this offensive line.
And to their defense, they'vebeen able to mask a lot of
things up until this point.
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But when you face a defensiveline like the Seahawks defensive
line, you know, at some point,you know, it'll come crashing
down, and that's exactly whathappened.
And it just kind of goes to showyou that James Gladstone, the
for the wonderful job that heand Liam Cohen and this
offensive um staff have done,it's still a lot of work they
need to do to get this offensiveline to where it needs to be.
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Um, but in the meantime, theyjust kind of gotta just like
coach through it, mass the flawsthat they have.
But eventually they're gonnahave to get some of their own
guys in place because a lot ofthe old regime's guys is still
here.
SPEAKER_01 (14:25):
Yeah, we've talked about that throughout the
season, like in the group chat,just talking about how they are
um, you know, that that'scertainly going to be one of the
main things that they addressedin the offseason is just getting
in their own guys when it comesto uh specifically left tackle.
Um, so that is going to be uh akey uh part of the offseason,
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not to look too far ahead.
There's still a whole lot offootball left to play, and a lot
of football that, you know, alot of meaningful football that
maybe Jacksonville didn't thinkthat they would necessarily find
themselves in uh when it came tothis point of the, or you know,
yeah, this point of the season,or at least a lot of fans, I'm
sure inside the building theyexpected to be here.
That's another, you know, one ofthe reasons that we have been,
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you know, enjoyed watching thisteam so much.
Is like they they they have uhthey they expect to win.
They expect to be in theposition to um you know to find
themselves uh victorious at theend of a game.
That's why, like we said, youknow, we don't necessarily think
the team uh uh ever um felt likethey were out of it, uh, and
especially the coaching staff.
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And that's a good thing.
You know, they're they'relearning how to win, they're
learning all these things, andlike Trevor Lawrence, you know,
I've seen some people, you know,again, who within even the own
fan our own fan base, we alreadyknow the national media is not
paying attention, but within ourown fan base, for sure, people
simply not paying attention.
Now, listen, I was very criticaland concerned about Trevor
Lawrence earlier in the season.
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And he is still a veryfrustrating guy to watch play
football, but this was not onhim.
He, like you said, he missed acouple of those throws.
There was also the throw to whowas?
I think it was like a tight end,something he just overthrew like
Hunter Long or something likethat.
Stuff that shouldn't behappening when you have a you
know just a layup in terms of athrow.
But he did all that he could,man.
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I mean, he made the nice play toTim Patrick.
Um, of course, he had uh, youknow, he had a couple of really
nice throws during the game aswell.
It seemed like him and BrianThomas Jr.
are starting to get going.
But I dare you to find anyquarterback that's going to be
successful after being hit thatmany times and sacked as well
and under that much pressure.
So it's nice to see him runningthe football a little bit more,
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you know, seeing a little bitmore of Clemson Tigers, Trevor.
But, you know, again, if if youthink that loss was on Trevor
Lawrence, you're simply notpaying attention.
I will be one of the firstpeople, you know, to call out
any frustrations when it comesto his play or anybody's play.
Uh, but Trevor certainly was notthe problem on Sunday.
And um, you know, especiallywhen we've seen that Trevor, we
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have seen him play poorly, andthat certainly is not what
happened uh against Seattle.
Go ahead, Jay.
SPEAKER_04 (17:01):
Yeah, yeah.
Again, you know, um on themisses, um, and he and to uh
answer your question, he hadanother good one where he threw
the ball, which is dangerous todo, by the way.
Um, kids don't do what you sawTrevor Lawrence do Sunday.
He threw the ball across thefield to John, uh, it was either
Munt or Hunter.
SPEAKER_01 (17:19):
It was Hunter long, he had that crazy first down.
It was on fourth down, too,wasn't it?
SPEAKER_04 (17:23):
Yeah, it was like on fourth down, but he was so open,
you know, like it was like, whynot?
But kids don't do that at home,like you will get picked off.
But um, yeah, um, it was a atweet that I pulled up here to
kind of just like show what theywere dealing with at left
tackle.
It was from Jordan DeLugo here,and um, yeah, he says here in
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six games this year, WalkerLittle has allowed four or more
pressures in at least threegames, I guess is what he was
trying to say.
It's a typo in there.
And then um it says that his uh94.3 pass pro efficiency is a
far cry from the 97.5 he had in2025.
So he's saying it's adiscrepancy there, albeit it
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looks small.
He has allowed the third mostpressures of any offensive
tackle in football this year,and um the two players in front
of him are starting due toinjuries, right?
So, like basically they're therebecause the number one offensive
tackles were injured.
So, yeah, that just kind ofshows you, man, that um we
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probably should start circlingleft tackle um in terms of when
we look at those draft needs,even though we're you know we're
back with drafting um in theback of each round.
I think we got an early secondround pick from the Browns, but
aside from that, like I thinkwe're we're drafting in the back
of each round.
But yeah, man, if you are gonnastart watching film at this
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point, guys, on draft prospects,we might start need uh we might
need to start looking at someleft tackles.
SPEAKER_01 (18:57):
Yeah, you can you can bet that James Gladstone is
going to want to get his own guyin here.
And you know, we saw some ofthose bulky guys, like you just
talked about, like uh coming upshort in in terms of uh this
game.
And um, you know, we'll uhthere's there's still some work
to be done for sure.
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Uh and then you know, I guessfrom uh my next question here,
Jay, goes from uh one little toanother uh when it comes to
special teams.
Like, what's your level ofconcern here with Cam Little?
I think we addressed this acouple weeks ago, and the
situation's not necessarilygetting any better.
And first off, of course, hemisses the extra point, which I
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think I saw some people talkingabout, like might have been his
first extra miss like missedextra point in his football
career, like dating back to highschool.
Like it just doesn't happen withWalker Little.
We we talk about the yips a lotwhen it comes to kickers
specifically.
It it certainly is a thing.
Like we saw it with I can'tremember the kicker we brought
over from San Diego a coupleyears ago, the one that hit the
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big field goal in the uh theplayoff game, but like that was
him in San Diego, right?
Comes over here, he's great.
Uh so that does happen when itcomes to kickers.
A lot of that is a mental game.
So I want to ask you first,what's your concern about Cam
Little?
And then also because a lot ofpeople are talking about it,
like, would you have gone fortwo in that situation when the
Jaguars ended up doing it?
It's instead of making it 20 to14, it's 20 to 12, and you know,
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kind of changes the wholedimension of the game.
But also at the same time, ifyou put four points on the board
from Walker Little, that's alsoa completely different football
game.
So, what are your thoughts onCam Little and also the decision
to go for two at that stage ofthe game?
SPEAKER_04 (20:35):
Uh, you mean Cam Little, um, but I know what you
mean.
Uh you say it walk a little, butyeah, both Littles are
frustrating.
So Yeah, well, you know, we talkabout special teams.
We might talk about specialteams like in terms of the
amount of time we spent onspecial teams more than any
Jaguars podcast.
Um, and um, yeah, I do feellike, yeah, you're right, the
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yips are like a real thing.
Like, look at it like a picture,uh, like a picture in MLB.
Like, they go through it too.
Like, you'll see these pictureswhere for the most part of their
um season, they'll look lightsout, right?
But they'll have a game or twoor a stretch or two, you know.
And I could say this likelooking at Spencer Strider, for
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example, where they just lookout of character, right?
And it takes a lot ofwherewithal to get you back to
where you were.
And I think that's what it is,man.
Like he's gonna have to dig deepmentally and you know, get
himself right, which again, youknow, I kind of mentioned him
before.
We we've talked about him beforelike two weeks ago, where what I
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do like about him is he canalways go back to the high
pressure atmospheres that he'skicked in in the SEC, right?
It's like you always have thatto go back to to get yourself
right.
Um I am more concerned than Iwas about him two weeks ago
because when you're missingextra points, right?
That's a little bit concerning.
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Now, granted, you said that washis first extra point ever
missed in his career, which isinsane.
Um, but yeah, like that's whatI'm saying is that also proves
the the fact that that's veryuncharacteristic of him for him
to miss the extra point, whichit's like, okay, now you're
missing extra points.
Now we should definitely beconcerned.
And just the the kicks are justcoming off his foot, just kind
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of funny too, man.
So maybe it's a mechanicalthing, right?
Like, um, you know, I'm not alike I'm not a kicking expert.
Like, I more so can speak onspecial teams coverage and how
it should be covered and howpeople should be getting down
the field and things like that.
Um, so like maybe we shouldbring in somebody like Josh Goby
one day on this podcast to seeif he can help us break this
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down.
But um, yeah, I am moreconcerned um than I was before.
I would say moderately concernedwith them, but not like panic
button concerned with them rightnow.
So we'll see.
Um, it does, and it would helpfor us to have some kind of
confidence in him because inthis league, you're gonna it's
gonna come a time where he'sgonna have to hit a game-winning
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field goal for us.
And for us to say we'reconfident that he'll do it after
the stretch he's been through,like if they have to try them on
the field for a situation likethat, all of our hearts are
gonna be on the ground prettymuch.
And um, you know, that was notthe case previously.
Anytime we tried Cam Little outthere in the past, it's like
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this is automatic.
He's gonna make it.
And it feels bad to not havethat luxury anymore.
Like, it feels like you know, alot of anxiety is gonna come um
with his um his kick in thisseason, but hopefully he'll get
it right in time.
We'll tell on that.
Oh, yeah, the two-pointconversion, that was in the
fourth quarter, right?
I think that was like one of thelast plays I saw too, Phil, by
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the way.
Um, in regards to that, I Iunderstand it because I think
they were just trying to get ina situation where so that would
have gave them what 14 points,correct, if they would have
converted.
And they were probably weighingthe fact that they were
struggling offensively and thatthey weren't getting to you know
the red zone that much.
And in their mind, maybe theywere thinking, like, hey, uh the
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struggles we're having, we maynot be able to get to the red
zone, but one more time, becausethey are they are demolishing us
on the front.
So like if we are able to get tothe red zone one more time and
we're able to score, we'll beable to win this game by one
point.
And then you can just pin it onyour defense uh to hold the
Seattle Seahawks off for therest of the game, which you
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know, in theory, that's that'ssomething that also should not
have been super hard to dobecause you know, Sam Darnold
for as um as okay as he's beenfor the Seattle Seahawks, I
would rather pin this game,especially with how Anthony
Campanili has been schemingthings up and causing turnovers.
I would much so rather pin it onthem to finish the game off and
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be able to, you know, stop SamDarnold if it came to that, um,
over pinning it on our offensewho struggled mightily in this
game, if that makes sense.
SPEAKER_01 (25:05):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a loss also a lot
was, you know, kind of youalluded to just trying to like
get something going.
I mean, the offense had been sostagnant the entire game, which
is crazy.
Well, I wouldn't say the entiregame because actually on the
first touchdown drive, the onethat ended in the Brian Thomas
Jr.
touchdown, they made it lookeasy, man.
They 100% look like a team thatbelonged.
That's the team that beat theKansas City Chiefs, and they
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just drove down the field likenothing, and all of a sudden
they were in the end zone.
And and then from that point on,it was nothing until again,
Trevor is improvising andrunning for his life on almost
every single play.
So yeah, I I understand like toa point like both sides of that
argument, but I also I I didn'thate the call.
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Um, but again, it comes down tolike Little should have given us
minimum four points there.
You know, it should be 20 to 17,uh bare minimum, heading into
the fourth quarter, or at leastafter that uh that second
touchdown, you know.
So do his job, and um, you know,we won't find ourselves having
this debate.
Go ahead, Jay.
SPEAKER_04 (26:07):
Exactly right.
The reason they found themselvesdoing it is because the special
teams aspect of it has been um,you know, not showing up.
SPEAKER_01 (26:15):
And we all Logan Cook too, man.
Like something, something'sgoing on.
SPEAKER_04 (26:19):
Yeah, yeah.
And we've seen like obviously,like the key with this team is
um they are their best.
And I mean, this is a lot ofteams, but especially this team,
they are their best wheneverybody, all three aspects of
the ball, all three sides of theball can contribute something,
right?
And where we've seen themstruggle is where one side of
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the three isn't able tocontribute.
And in this case, it was theoffense and special teams,
right?
So now you got the offensetrying to overcompensate for the
special teams issues, whereas,you know, when you look at the
games where we've won, you know,it's been some kind of special
teams contribution that hashelped us to win, like the
Parker Washington touchdown,Bachelor Tootin', you know, um
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getting us to the like 40, youknow, so on and so forth.
Normally we've had one goodspecial teams play to help us
offset like whatever offensiveissues that we've been going
through.
And we've especially anotherthing that's showing two feel
we've always also had the luxuryof Anthony Campanili going out
there and getting us threeturnovers too, and that has
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disappeared the last two weekstoo.
So, like, you know, um not ascomplimentary as they have been,
that's really hurting them.
Um, I will say this on the play,on the um, not the play, but the
series that you mentioned, wherewe drove the ball down the field
with ease.
Man, I love that fake screenthat I don't know if it was Liam
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or the offensive coordinatorthat they came up with, but it
was a fake screen where BrianThomas looked like he was going
to block for Parker Washington,uh fake the block, snuck past
the cornerback who I think wasShaquille Griffin, by the way.
I'll have to go back and look atit, and was wide open like our
old buddy.
There you go.
Uh nobody was near him, though,man.
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Like he um he saw that screenwell, and obviously they they
had the the defense there fullagain.
A very, very intelligent defensethat Mike McDonald is running
there.
So I love that play.
And one last takeaway that Iwant to discuss, too, is man,
um, speaking of receivers, youknow, Brian Thomas Jr.
outsmarting them.
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Also, their our uh widereceivers outclassed us in a lot
of ways.
That really stood out to me.
Um, Jackson Smith and Jigba, whoI were I was very high on, and
Boogie was too.
Shoutouts to uh my nephewBoogie.
And uh we always talked to himin the thread, but he's really
coming into his own.
I think they said he was likesecond in receiving on only
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under Puka Nakua um coming intothis game.
But his technical skills, man,really showed because sometimes
uh in these plays he wascovered, man.
And he would break free withjust how he cut out of his route
and what have you.
And then you add in Gary Kubiakscheming him open as well to a
lot of um it was one play whereGary Kubiak um drew the
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linebackers up further up forSmith and Jigba to run a crosser
behind them, right?
Like between that and histechnical skills, man, I was
very impressed.
And even with, you know, you sawit with albeit he's an older
player now, Cooper Cup, man, heand his technical skills um
really showed up as well becausethere was one play where I think
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it was um Jordan Lewis was rightthere on him, right?
And Cooper Cup just with inyears and years of experience,
right?
You know, he he knows how toweigh coverages and understand
coverages, um, was able to justto get just a slight step.
It wasn't even that big of astep on him, and they hit him,
and that was his first touchdownof the year.
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And that was the first touchdownthat I think that Jordan Lewis
has given up to as well.
But that just kind of shows youhow technical uh and technically
savvy both Cooper Cup and Smithand Jigba were.
So I I want to give them a shoutout too because um they they
played a heck of a game, thosetwo, um, in terms of what I saw
on film.
SPEAKER_01 (30:16):
Yeah, man.
Jackson Smith and Jigba,certainly one of those guys that
like deserves that to be to bein that conversation of one of
the top wide receivers in theNFL.
And uh yeah, he he showed out,man.
I mean, obviously he had the biguh what what a terrible debut
for Greg Newsom.
And I don't think it was fullyon him.
I didn't get to watch the all22J, so you tell me if like you
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got to look at that play better,uh, because a lot of people were
also blaming Dewey for being outof place or uh him having a hand
in that play as well.
But uh yeah, not not the bestway to aggratiate yourself with
the fans, uh, but again, it'sone of the best wide receivers
in the NFL.
So um, yeah, it was justoverall, again, kind of from
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from beginning to end, just agame that Seattle was totally
prepared for.
And uh, you know, it's it's oneof the reasons why I I like I
don't necessarily think likeSeattle's gonna go on a Super
Bowl run, but I think they'll beone of those really difficult
outs when it comes to down thestretch in the NFC, whether that
be in the playoffs or just inthe final weeks of the season.
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Um, I did want to ask you, Jay,because this is actually
something that not only Wig hasbrought up, but I was listening
to Locked on Jaguars yesterdayand today, and some other people
have kind of been talking aboutas well.
And of course, the nationalmedia is gonna be uh, you know,
whenever they talk about theJags, this is going to come up.
And is it time where are you atwith this Travis Hunter
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development?
Because as Wig pointed out,there are moments in the game
where he's not in, where he'snot in the game on like a big
third down, whether it be onoffense or defense.
And it's like, that's why youbrought him in, is to be that
difference maker.
And if you're I think the termthat the sentence that Wig had
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used is if you're if you're inboth rooms, then that means like
the offensive room and thedefensive room, that means
you're not in uh in the otherroom enough enough time to learn
whatever position it may be.
I believe during the draftprocess you said he was a better
you liked him better as adefender.
Do you want him to focus more onthat?
Whatever it may be, whateverit's they're going to focus on,
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like I feel like they need tostart doing that with him with
him, especially considering thedraft capital that you gave up
and what you brought him in todo.
So, six weeks into the season,coming up on week seven, where
are you at with this TravisHunter experiment?
Are they doing him a disserviceby allowing him to continue to
want, you know, he obviouslywants to play on both sides of
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the football, but as coaches, dothey need to step in and say,
hey, you need to focus more onthis and we'll spot you here
every once in a while?
Where are you at, you know, amonth and a half into the
season?
SPEAKER_04 (32:55):
I think they're overthinking it, to be honest
with you, Phil.
Um, I and you you hit the nailon the head.
I've always thought that he wasa better cornerback, and um, we
do need him at the cornerposition more anyway, now um
that you know, we're goingthrough the situation where we
traded Tyson, right?
So Tyson's out the door.
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And I think I don't know, Ican't remember what analyst said
this, but there was an analyst,it may have been Pi uh Pete
Prisco who said this, but umthey believe that Travis Hunter
with Tyson Campbell out of thedoor, the goal is to make Travis
Hunter more of a full-timecornerback next year.
So they're trying to like easehim into that role next year,
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not thrust him into it thisyear.
But I honestly would like to seehim, and I I don't have the snap
percentages in front of me, butI would love to see a game where
he's in there 80% of the time atcornerback at the very least.
And then what I would do on umoffense, and this is just me
personally, right?
Liam Cohen is he's got morecoaching ability than I ever
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could have, right?
But um what I would do is Iwould like to see him 80% um on
the defensive side because he'she's fared well at cornerback,
by the way.
Like he's been quite well, likewe haven't had any um highlights
where we've seen Travis Hunterreally getting beat, aside from
that Bengals game where thatwasn't even a penalty, right?
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That they called on him.
And then I would do uh and shoutouts to um I think it was Jason
Kelsey or Travis Kelsey who saidthis in their podcast.
It's when he is on offense, andobviously if he's on defense 80%
of the time, it's gonna takesome time.
It's gonna take the amount ofsnaps he can spend on offense as
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well.
But when he's on offense, man,just use him as a deep threat,
man, because that's where he'sbeen the most effective, right?
And I think it was Travis thatsaid this.
Travis Kelsey was like, man,just let that kid run downfield
and go catch the ball, man.
Let him go downfield.
And a lot of these catches thatwe're seeing with him feel are
catches where they'll let himcatch it near the line of
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scrimmage and he, you know, hehas to make yardage after the
catch, which he's very good atdoing, by the way.
But he's even better at uhcatching deep balls, in my
opinion.
Like the time that we have beenmost excited about Travis
Hunter, when you look at all ofthe games that they've played,
the the last game, not the uhnot the Seahawks game, but
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Monday night football, that wasthe game that we left feeling
the most excited by TravisHunter.
And you know why it was thatway?
Because he caught two deep ballsthat really, really gave the
Jacksonville Jaguars um someexplosive playmaking ability
down the field.
So if you can use him on alimited basis on offense where
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that's his primary role, is tobe a deep threat and then on um
use him 80% on the um thedefensive side of the ball where
he's been playing his best ball,man.
I think like that's where he'llhit his stride if they move to
that.
But again, I think it was Peteor Tom Palisero or whoever it
(36:08):
was, um, it may be Albert Breer,one of them.
It sounds like they're trying toease him into being a cornerback
more so next year, and that'skind of where the conflict's
coming in between like how theyfeel about him and how we feel
about him as fans.
SPEAKER_01 (36:25):
Yeah, and it never helps like this is kind of the
deal with Trayvon Walker, right?
Like Trayvon Walker is anoutstanding player, but
nationally, because of how goodAiden Hutchinson is, you know,
he's not necessarily going toget that same um uh attention.
What's happening here?
Travis Hunter is getting allthat attention, but there is a
guy down in Tampa, your guy, uhMekka Eggbuka, who is not
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surprisingly killing it rightnow.
So on the you know, on the widereceiver end.
And and uh Wig also brought thisup.
This was a really good point.
Like you talk about the offensesin LA, Tampa, Minnesota, Puka,
uh Mike Evans, Justin Jefferson,but those guys aren't playing on
defense as well when it comes tothose receivers.
You know, wide receivers canflourish in this offense.
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We're starting to see BrianThomas Jr.
get going, but Travis Hunter'strying to play both sides of the
football.
And if they are going tocontinue to do so, then like you
said, uh they got to stopoverthinking it.
And I I think at one at acertain point, you know, I like
I agree.
I think they should they shouldplay most of the snaps at uh on
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defense and then spot him onoffense.
That seems to be the much betterway like for him to get to get
going.
Just seems like as far as hisskill set, it'd be much easier
to insert in him into certainoffensive formations as opposed
to taking him on and off thefield on defense.
But uh again, I I refer to guysthat like yourself and then
other people like Wig to let meknow like what would be the best
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way to do it.
But um, you know, I we're noteven halfway through the season.
It's it's tough because you dosee rookies have an immediate
impact, but like we haven't seenanybody do this or attempt this
in a long time.
So it's it's hard to likebalance out that sense of
frustration because it's notfrustration with Travis, it's
like they're trying to dosomething again that no one has
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had to do in a long time.
SPEAKER_04 (38:20):
Yeah, I mean, it's a reason why we haven't seen this
attempted on both sides of theball, right?
You know what I'm saying?
Because it's simply hard for anycoach to do, right?
So that being said, man, um,yeah, as you said, it is early.
Um, but I would be ecstatic if Isaw Travis Hunter play like 80%
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of the snaps at cornerback, man.
And, you know, let him tell it,man.
He could probably, according tohim, he could do 80% on offense
at the same time.
But I think, you know, the umthe coaching staff are trying to
have some kind of restraint.
They're trying to draw some kindof line, right?
Because this is the NFL as tolike, you know, putting a load
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on him that's that big, right?
80% on offense and 80% ondefense is a little bit insane,
you know.
As good as an athlete as he is,but um, yeah, I mean, I think
like with the additional snaps,if they were to let him play
like 80% on defense too, I thinkthat would clear up some of
these narratives that we'rehearing about, like where, you
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know, people are like, well, youknow, Omeka Abuka is looking
better at the wide receiverposition than Travis Hunter.
And like, it would stop thecomparisons because what it
would do is I think that wouldput Travis Hunter in a situation
where he would just be ballingout as a cornerback, and that
alone, you know, I I can seehim, I can envision him if they
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go 80% of the snaps on defensefrom this point heading forward.
I can envision Travis Hunter.
I wouldn't be shocked if the kidcould get like four or five
interceptions, and then thoseconversations of comparing him
to other, you know, rookies thatwere taken in the first round,
then we'll have a counter tothat.
Like, okay, well, you know, thiskid is leading rookies
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potentially, if you know, if itever got to that in
interceptions.
Um, he's leading rookies in, youknow, coverage grade, whatever
the case may be.
Um, so I think they do need tolet him focus on cornerback, and
that would give us a betterargument for these people who
are trying to compare him toother rookies.
But with the the snaps beingkind of distributed the way they
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are, he's not gonna be able tomake a case against any rookies,
whether you're trying to comparehim to wide receivers or
cornerbacks, the way thatthey're going about his snaps.
SPEAKER_01 (40:42):
Yeah.
So, you know, um, we haven'tseen any reason to not trust the
coaching staff fully yet, youknow, outside of these damn
penalties, which you know wejust can't continue to have a
conversation about every singleweek.
They gotta they gotta clean thatup, and that's really all there
is to it.
But uh, my next question, Jay,as we kind of get towards the
end of this episode, um, ofcourse, we in terms of the the
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pass rush and you know the thelack thereof, um we're we're
paying Josh Heinz Allen a lot ofmoney, and he does not have a
sack yet.
And uh, of course, withoutTrayvon Walker being fully 100%,
you know, we're seeing theimpact of that.
We see uh you know a lot ofpeople learning the importance
and uh we what I mean we'veknown for a long time, but uh,
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you know, maybe peoplenationally also realizing what
an important person TrayvonWalker and what an important
role he plays on this defense.
Uh what do you think is is thelevel of concern for Josh Hines
Allen?
And do you attribute it to theinterior?
You know, they're they'reclearly making they they've
already alluded to more movesbeing made.
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A lot of people are linking themto some other defensive, you
know, some interior linemen.
I think there was the news thatcame out they called about the
Green Bay Packers guy.
Uh, I can't remember his namehere off the top of my head.
Everybody, of course, isthrowing out names like a Dexter
Lawrence, but all of a suddenthe the Giants are winning
games.
Who knows what's gonna happenthere?
So do you credit it to, again,the interior having a lot of
(42:10):
struggles?
Um, or is it just simply thatJosh Hines Allen, hey, you're
getting paid a lot of money, yougot to start playing like it.
SPEAKER_04 (42:15):
Yeah, so I mean, obviously, not having Trayvon
Walker doesn't help thesituation in terms of um the
attention that you can place onJosh Allen and what have you,
regardless of how you feel aboutthe interior part of the
defense.
Um, so you know, there is that.
Um, because you know, whenthey're fully healthy and
they're together, make nomistake about it, they are one
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of the best pass rushing tandemsin football.
Now that said, even when puttingTrayvon back into the equation,
I still never thought they hadenough in the interior in terms
of getting that push in theinterior that they need.
Um now, granted, look, DevonHamilton is a you know, he's
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never really done it for me, buthe's a good player.
You know, he's a player that canoffer you some run stuffs, a
yard behind a line of scrimmage,you know, things like that.
But in terms of pushing thepocket and giving you pocket
penetration, he's not that guy.
And you know, I was looking atPFF the other day.
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I think for most of his career,he's never really registered
over a 60 as a pass rusher,aside from like maybe twice in
his career.
Whereas these names that youknow we're mentioning in terms
of the rumors, Jeffrey Simmonsand Dexter Lawrence have
registered over 70s for most oftheir career as pass rushers in
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terms of you know the gradeswith PFF.
And again, you know, sometimeswe agree with the grades at PFF,
sometimes we don't.
And in this case, we do.
But those two guys that I justmentioned, they've registered
over 70 as a pass rusher formost of their career.
I think with Simmons, he'sregistered over 70, aside from
two seasons, his first twoseasons, um, in terms of the
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pass rush grade, and thenLawrence only has registered
below a 70 once, and that washis rookie season.
So that kind of tells you thedifference in what you're
looking at there.
Indeed, I remind you that theyare pretty good against the run.
Their run support grades are notbad too.
So they could do a little bit ofboth, whereas Devon Hamilton is
a little bit one-dimensional.
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And when you look at the Jaguarshistory, right, it's always
taking that one pocketpenetrator to get the defense
over the top.
History has always shown that,and that's just how football
simply works.
But even when you go back to theprevious regimes, right, with um
Dave Caldwell, um, he he had toeventually bring Malik Jackson
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into the mix to help them getthat push in the pocket that
they needed, right?
And then I guess Balkeyattempted it with Eric Armstead,
and then they ended up likemisplacing him.
Um he was playing, you know, onthe edge.
But I I think that was probablythe intent when he signed Eric
Armstead was for him to be thepocket pusher um that they
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needed him, uh, that they neededduring his regime, the Trent
Balkey regime.
So, yeah, historically when youlook at just how the
Jacksonville Jaguars um havebeen dominant when they've been
dominant along the offensiveline, it's typically been
because they've had that guywho's a deep pocket penetrator,
and they simply don't have thatguy right now to help Josh Hines
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Allen.
But if we were able to get him,you'll see a drastic difference.
And um, I think that's why yousee James Gladstone and you hear
these rumors of them lookinginto the types of players that
they are looking into.
SPEAKER_01 (45:48):
Yeah, it's obviously it's completely different
positions, but like it's kind ofsimilar to like what's happening
with Trevor.
Like, what can he really do whenhe's got constant pressure?
You know, I I haven't seen thenumbers in terms of how often
Josh Hines Allen is has been uhdouble teamed or you know uh
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attracted a lot more attentionsince Trayvon Walker has been
out, but I'm sure it's a prettyhigh number.
And you know, this is somethingwe've seen before.
Like we need a guy like in thelike in the uh you know,
Saxonville days, like in YannickNgakway.
You know, they can just go.
They can just go get thequarterback, and uh, you know,
they've been trying to find thatkind of that running mate with
him, and it is Trayvon Walker,but in terms of the interior,
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you know, they those guys justaren't there.
Mason Smith has been a no-show,right?
We we had very high hopes forhim.
So um just add that to anotherthing on the list, Jay, that I
think James Gladstone and LiamCohen are certainly going to
address very soon, whether it'dbe in the draft or even again
via trade.
But um, to wrap up here, Jay, Iguess we'll talk about a little
bit like going forward becausethe Jaguars did, and Liam Cohen
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already announced today thatDevin Lloyd will not make the
trip to London.
Um, obviously, um, as youalready alluded to, the Rams are
going to be out with withoutPuka Nakua.
So big name players out for bothteams on that side.
You know, what what do you thinkthat does in terms of how the
Jaguars approach the game overin London?
Devontae Adams hasn'tnecessarily been, I think, the
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game breaker they expected himto be.
But also when he has Puka nextto him, he doesn't have to be.
But with Puka Nakua now out, uh,what do you think is going to be
the bigger loss?
Maybe the Rams with Puka Nakuaor the Jaguars with Devin Lloyd?
SPEAKER_04 (47:27):
Oh, I think Puka.
By the way, Puka, like, I thinkPuka Nakua is like he he's
personally one of my favoriteplayers in the league, dude.
Like a topic.
He might be fifth play player,like in the league.
Top three and probably notthree.
So that he that guy's elite,man.
And also, too, what what thefactor into it is not just how
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how I rank Puka in terms ofwhere he is in the league, in
terms of how good of a player heis, but also too, um, the
Jacksonville Jaguars haveVentrell Miller, who's not a bad
player, you know, by the way.
And Ventrell Miller, as a matterof fact, he was when I was
speaking on the players ondefense, like the four players,
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I think it was four players thatgot a score of 70 or higher on
PFF in the last game, he was oneof them.
He led the way, by the way,Phil.
I think he had over 85 VentrellMiller, albeit look, it's a
small sample size.
He he went out there for thewhole game, but um still just to
come in and um play such animportant role for this defense
(48:30):
on like a spot duty type ofsituation and still be able to
register over 85 is is quitetelling.
And we we've seen him flashbefore right field last year.
We were just calling him theleader of the new school, right?
Because we felt like when welooked at these bulky picks and
these bulky free agents, when welooked ahead, which is this
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year, we were look at the timeit was 2024.
We were like, who who here we wecan see here for years and years
to come?
And Ventrell Miller was thefirst one we mentioned, pretty
much.
Um, so yeah, I have faith inhim.
He's a very good linebacker.
Um, now look, to replace DevinLloyd in the outer body
experience he's having, like,he's not gonna play at that
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level, obviously, right?
Like, we're talking about DevinLloyd being the defensive player
of the year.
Like, so Vince, that's a lot ofthat's that's some big time
shoes to feel, but I think hecertainly can um go out there
and hold his own, especiallywith Foyer next to him, by the
way, too.
So I think the Puka, the absenceof Puka is way more significant
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than what um we're dealing withon our end.
SPEAKER_01 (49:40):
Yeah, he is such an essential part of that team.
And no, granted, I haven'tnecessarily been 100% paying
attention to the LA Rams, butyou know, every time you look
up, Puka Nakua is making a play.
So even I think just an easy guyto root for, you know, that's
why he's one of our favorites towatch.
So um, but yeah, the Devin Lloydinjury, certainly uh um uh
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unfortunate, definitely a bighit, especially when it comes to
uh when you talk about um like adefensive player of the year
campaign, we'll see how long heis going to be out, but we'll
certainly keep tabs on that.
But uh Jay, is there anythingelse you want to get to here in
this episode as we wrap up?
Uh again, just a disappointingloss all around, but the Jaguars
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still find themselves inposition uh to uh you know be in
striking range for, of course,the division.
The Colts still five and one,playing very well.
We'll have two big matchups withthem towards the end of the
season, uh, but hope to avoidback-to-back losses for the
first time this year and uh youknow pull out a win, another
victory across the pond.
So anything else you want totalk about before we wrap up for
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the evening?
SPEAKER_04 (50:43):
Nah, we've covered it, man.
I want to just wash this one offour hands.
I mean, well, I can't do thatbecause I got to watch the rest
of the fourth quarter.
Um so um I'm I'm ready to get tothat point, though, where we
wash this one off our hands andstart moving forward.
Uh it's interesting youmentioned the Colts, man.
I was looking at their schedule,man.
The hardest part is coming upfor them, though.
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Like, the part that they've gonethrough is we'll learn a lot
about the Colts here prettysoon.
Yep.
Like, and the the it's theopposite with us, we've gone
through the hardest part of ourschedule.
We we had that road game againstthe 40 uh 49ers, right?
Uh, we had the um Monday night.
SPEAKER_01 (51:23):
Monday night, right?
SPEAKER_04 (51:24):
Like those were the two.
If you would have asked me andyou like before the season, what
are the two like you know mostdifficult games in our eyes?
It was those two, right?
You know what I'm saying?
So um, or we would put themsomewhere on among the top of
the list.
So yeah, we're gonna find outabout them and Daniel Jones and
um I think come November, man,uh, you know, that's where don't
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we face them twice in November,right, Phil?
I think or December.
SPEAKER_01 (51:50):
December.
7th and the 28th.
Right.
That's uh the 28th is the homegame.
So that's the one you certainlydon't want to lose if you're
Jacksonville with that winstreak against them at home.
But yeah, uh to touch on thatreally quick, like you said,
Chargers, then they have theTitans.
That'll be that should be a win.
Then you have the Steelers, andthen they play their own game in
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London against the Falcons.
Who knows what can happen there,and then they have the Chiefs.
So Chargers, Steelers, Chiefs,those are three teams that will,
you know, by that time eitherthey are in first place or they
will be in first place.
But then the Chiefs couldpossibly be turning things
around here, which is kind ofconcerning.
But yeah, three of their next uhfour or five games, yeah.
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I mean, yeah, they they thenthey still have the Seahawks and
the Niners on their schedule aswell.
They do play Houston twice,which I think is gonna be gonna
benefit them.
But yeah, we'll learn a lot moreabout them here pretty soon.
Uh kudos to them.
Hey, listen, five and one isfive and one, man.
And they only lost to the Ramsby seven.
So I'm not gonna take anythingaway from them, but like at the
end of the day, and they'llprobably say this about Trevor
(52:53):
Lawrence, but like still at theend of the day, Daniel Jones is
still your quarterback.
So we'll see what happens.
Uh, but we are going to learnabout the Indianapolis Colts
very, very soon.
So that is going to be worthkeeping an eye on.
Again, two big matchups comingup in a couple of months.
Uh Jaguars just need to keeppace, which I think they'll do.
Uh I um feel good about thisteam, even though, again, Sunday
(53:14):
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SPEAKER_01 (01:08):
Hey everybody, welcome back to the Touchdown
Jaguars Podcast.
I am your co-host, Phil Barrera,and here with me as always is
your other co-host, JamesJohnson.
And Jay, we are, for the firsttime in a few weeks, actually
not recording on a victoryMonday.
Unfortunately, the JacksonvilleJaguars fell to the Seattle
(01:29):
Seahawks 20-12 in a pretty roughgame to watch, to say the least.
So we will talk about all ofthat here this evening.
Only their second loss of theseason, and I know a lot of
people are trying to spineverything, you know,
positively, which is certainlyunderstandable.
Uh, because you know what?
(01:49):
Heading into the London game, ifyou told us that the
Jacksonville Jaguars were goingto be four and two uh heading uh
right before their trip acrossthe pond, you certainly would
take that.
But, you know, interested totalk to you about that here
today, about that specificmindset.
And should we start expectingmore from this team?
But Jay, excited to talk to youabout this here tonight, uh,
(02:11):
after the Jags had maybe alittle bit of a hangover, a
Monday night football hangover,and you know, just looked pretty
sloppy against the SeattleSeahawks.
SPEAKER_04 (02:19):
Yeah, man, I was working throughout the process,
but um I was able to see some ofit, and then I uh was able to
see up until uh late in thefourth quarter after I got off
of work today.
But yeah, man, a sloppy game.
Um the Seahawks looksignificantly more prepared than
us.
Um they they outclassed us in alot of ways, too.
(02:42):
And that's not a bad thing tosay because that team is very
talented too.
So I want to stress that firstand foremost.
All right, like the Seahawks area good team, and a lot of people
were overlooking them in termsof the ability um that they
have.
And I like Mike McDonald, um, bythe way, who I'm a former Ravens
coordinator, uh very, very smartdefense of mine.
(03:05):
I like um Clint Kubiak, I thinkis their um offensive
coordinator as well.
You know, we've had somediscussions about him when we
were going through our coachingsearch and we were looking for
an offensive coordinator, right?
So a very underrated team thatwe face there, but still one
that I would say that we shouldhave beat.
And uh, yeah, man, like with umthese games that we have coming
(03:28):
up um heading forward, it wouldhave been nice to um have won
this one, um, especially withthe Rams coming up.
And I do know the Rams will bewithout Puka as well, so that
you know that will help.
But still, um, you know, you'regoing on a uh stretch where you
could lose two in a row herewhen you look at that Rams game,
(03:49):
and that's concerning.
Uh, but you know, um Liam uhgave a great press conference
today, and uh it looks like youknow they will do everything in
their power to uh make thisthing not become a two-game
losing streak.
SPEAKER_01 (04:05):
Yeah, I remember like in our preview episode for
the season, you know, we talkedabout maybe it coming out of
these first seven, like goinginto the bye week.
We thought, you know, what threeand four, uh worst case
scenario, a two-and-five, youknow, looking at those wins
maybe being like Carolina andHouston.
But, you know, the argument canbe made.
(04:27):
Like this team, I mean,obviously four and two, like we
already said, we'll take that,but like the argument can be
made.
The team could even be five andone, six and oh.
And uh, you know, we head overto London to place to face a
very, very good LA Rams team.
But we know how Jacksonvilleperforms uh in this game, and
it's typically pretty well, butuh again, a very, very good LA
(04:51):
team that they're gonna have togo against here in just uh a
little bit under a week.
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But yeah, Jay, let's dive intoit here.
Uh, once again, the JacksonvilleJaguars fall to the Seattle
Seahawks 20 to 12.
It was a very sloppy game,continuing to be sloppy when it
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comes to turnovers.
And of course, the offensiveline was certainly the talk of
the weekend.
Um, the Jaguars just could notprotect Trevor Lawrence.
I don't have the exact numbershere in front of me.
I'm going through our our buddyuh Daniel Griffiths' page here.
Um I do know, oh, here we go.
Here's the pressures allowed.
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Six by Walker Little, five byPatrick Macari, five by Ezra
Keith Cleveland, four for AntonHarrison, and four for Jonah
Mondheim.
So yeah, just a uh a pretty badday across the board for the
offensive line.
Trevor Lawrence, of course, gotsacked.
What was it, seven times afteronly being sacked five times
heading into this game?
(06:15):
And yeah, just a lot of thingswent wrong, Jay.
Not only was it a sloppy gamefrom the mindset or from the
standpoint of penalties, uh, itwas just kind of a it was it was
kind of a boring game to watchas well.
I mean, Seattle came in andreally kind of like took
advantage of like again,Jacksonville maybe riding that
high.
And it did seem like at onepoint or at certain points of
(06:39):
the game, like they justexpected to come out on top.
And uh based off of the last fewweeks, you know, again, they
come off a big Monday nightfootball win, they're maybe uh
feeling themselves a little bit,and it just never came together.
And you know, from the run gameto the passing game, Brian
Thomas Jr.
had himself a nice game, finallygot into the end zone, but it it
was just off, Jay.
And you said this before westarted recording, they never
(07:01):
were technically out of thegame, at least as far from a
score standpoint.
But me watching it live, it justfelt like Seattle outclassed
them, outcoached them, and frombeginning to end, they looked
like the better football teamout there.
I didn't know this, Jay, thattheir head coach has like an
undefeated record on the roaddating back to when he was
hired.
That's a crazy statisticconsidering how great of a home
(07:24):
field advantage Seattle has.
But uh, they're a good footballteam, and you know what, the
better team won on Sunday.
SPEAKER_04 (07:30):
Yeah, that was news to me.
I didn't know that Mike McDanielwas such a role warrior, so to
speak, right?
Shoutouts to the old WWE group.
But um, yeah, man.
Um but I'm not shocked though.
Again, you know, he comes from atree that we've talked about a
lot here that we respect here.
Um he comes from that raven'stree, so you know that's kind of
(07:51):
Mike McDonald, by the way.
SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
You said Mike McDaniel, but yeah.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Yeah, Mike McDonald.
Mike McDaniel is uh we thoughtagain you you're thinking about
him because he's gonna beworking here next year, but not
yet.
SPEAKER_04 (08:03):
Right, right, right.
Um, but yeah, yeah, um McDonald,I'm sorry.
Um comes from that, you know,that Raven's tree where, you
know, this is kind of how Harborstarted his career when he was
there, right?
Um if I can recall, just kind ofbeing able to um overcome odds
and and travel well in additionto when at home as well.
(08:24):
So uh he was well prepared forthis job.
Um, I think he's going on whatyear two for the job.
But um, yeah, man, like you youmentioned that um, you know, it
just that we discussed that itnever felt like the Jaguars were
out of the game, but at the sametime, I think the best wording
for it is they felt flat thewhole time.
(08:45):
And um, you know, some of thatcould have been, you know, and I
know a lot of people argue like,hey, these are paid
professionals, and that's a goodargument to make.
I agree with it that hey, theseguys are paid professionals, but
it does feel like they um arecoming off of that high from
Monday night football.
And, you know, that's a realthing in football, and this is
(09:06):
not me making an excuse forthem.
Like, when you're a paidathlete, hey, you need to be
prepared whether it's a shortweek, whether you are coming off
of a playoff game.
Because look at it this way ifwe go to the playoffs right
field, you're gonna be comingoff a high if you get a win in
the round one of the playoffs,and then you're gonna have to
turn right around week two andhandle business against the next
(09:28):
team.
So that argument is a validargument that you know that they
can't get too high, they can'tget too low, and they need to be
prepared for the next team.
But um, all of that being said,I do think that's a real thing
in football, um, especially fora team that hasn't won a lot,
right?
So they're not used to likehaving to come off of situations
(09:49):
like that where you beat the AFCchampions and then like have to
turn right around on a shortweek and handle business.
That being said, though, um Iexpected much, much more out of
this team, you know, and justthe flatness really stood out to
me.
And, you know, at times, like,like you said, it looked very
boring to watch, but it was alsofrustrating to watch as well.
(10:10):
It's like, where's the energy,right, guys?
Like, I didn't get a sense ofenergy from many people, uh,
maybe Dennis Gerardek, you know,I saw him have some a little bit
of energy, but like even theplayers and Travis Hunter, of
course, he always is energetic,but even the players kind of
look flat.
And also, as you mentioned too,Phil, um, it felt like they
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outclassed us in a lot of ways,especially one way in
particular.
And again, I haven't watched thefull game yet, and I watched the
condensed version, so I canwe're speeding through it.
Um, but they definitelyoutclassed us in the trenches,
and you can tell this is one ofmy first takeaways here, Phil,
is that Robert Haynes he wasmissed, right?
And that's not to say thatMondheim had a bad game because
(10:55):
I think he only allowed apressure or two.
Um they said on the chart,whereas the rest of the veterans
who have been here for you knowmany years or at least two years
or so, um, allow multiplepressures.
So that's not even to say thatMunheim had a bad game, and I
really like him, and I thinkhe's a gym, and I think we got
something there.
But where we could tell thatHainsey was missed is in terms
(11:18):
of the run blocking game, right?
I think I was looking on ESPNthe other day, and Robert
Hainsey has like an 82% runblock win rate, which is like
good for second in the league.
So that goes to show you howmuch of an impact he has on the
run game and how much um of adifference there would be there
between him and a rookie, andalso from a leadership
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perspective and a juiceperspective.
Every time you look at sounds ofthe game or these um pep talks
Liam is giving after the game,you hear Hainzy as well, and you
even saw Hainzey with him duringthe infamous keep my name out of
your mouth um whole thing.
But um you see Hainzey alsotrying to um you know put
(12:02):
positivity in the air with thesepep talks and you know, echoing
what Liam said, and then so onand so forth.
So um, from a leadershipperspective and a juice
perspective, and then in termsof um winning in the trenches
when it comes to running theball, that's where Robert Haynes
was sorely missing.
You know, I hope we get him backsoon enough, but again, at the
(12:23):
same time, uh still high onJonah Munheim.
And um when it comes to um howthe offense looked, Trevor
Lawrence, you know, there weretimes where I expected better
mechanics for him, and uh themechanics weren't there.
But at the same time, whenyou're pressured as much as he
was pressured in this game, andI pin this one a lot on the
(12:45):
offensive line.
When you're pressured as much ashe was, like the can the
mechanics, especially for aquarterback who has struggled
with mechanics, are gonna bevery sporadic anyway.
Um, and that's because of youknow having to move in the
pocket a lot, having to throw onthe run a lot.
And to Trevor's defense, he madesomething out of nothing in some
plays, too, Phil, by the way,like where he had to move around
(13:07):
in the pocket.
So I think for the most part, hedid what he could.
It was one throw where heoverthrew Diami, who was
streaking up the sideline, whereit was like, okay, you got to
hit that.
But for the most part, he madethe best of the pocket that was
given to him for the most part,right?
And um, you know, this one,yeah, you have to feel like it
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will be pinned on the offensiveline.
Um and also, you know, this isan issue that we knew coming
into the season that this nextregime would have to work on,
that Trent Balkey failed atmassively, and that was fixing
this offensive line.
And to their defense, they'vebeen able to mask a lot of
things up until this point.
(13:49):
But when you face a defensiveline like the Seahawks defensive
line, you know, at some point,you know, it'll come crashing
down, and that's exactly whathappened.
And it just kind of goes to showyou that James Gladstone, the
for the wonderful job that heand Liam Cohen and this
offensive um staff have done,it's still a lot of work they
need to do to get this offensiveline to where it needs to be.
(14:12):
Um, but in the meantime, theyjust kind of gotta just like
coach through it, mass the flawsthat they have.
But eventually they're gonnahave to get some of their own
guys in place because a lot ofthe old regime's guys is still
here.
SPEAKER_01 (14:25):
Yeah, we've talked about that throughout the
season, like in the group chat,just talking about how they are
um, you know, that that'scertainly going to be one of the
main things that they addressedin the offseason is just getting
in their own guys when it comesto uh specifically left tackle.
Um, so that is going to be uh akey uh part of the offseason,
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not to look too far ahead.
There's still a whole lot offootball left to play, and a lot
of football that, you know, alot of meaningful football that
maybe Jacksonville didn't thinkthat they would necessarily find
themselves in uh when it came tothis point of the, or you know,
yeah, this point of the season,or at least a lot of fans, I'm
sure inside the building theyexpected to be here.
That's another, you know, one ofthe reasons that we have been,
(15:11):
you know, enjoyed watching thisteam so much.
Is like they they they have uhthey they expect to win.
They expect to be in theposition to um you know to find
themselves uh victorious at theend of a game.
That's why, like we said, youknow, we don't necessarily think
the team uh uh ever um felt likethey were out of it, uh, and
especially the coaching staff.
(15:32):
And that's a good thing.
You know, they're they'relearning how to win, they're
learning all these things, andlike Trevor Lawrence, you know,
I've seen some people, you know,again, who within even the own
fan our own fan base, we alreadyknow the national media is not
paying attention, but within ourown fan base, for sure, people
simply not paying attention.
Now, listen, I was very criticaland concerned about Trevor
Lawrence earlier in the season.
(15:53):
And he is still a veryfrustrating guy to watch play
football, but this was not onhim.
He, like you said, he missed acouple of those throws.
There was also the throw to whowas?
I think it was like a tight end,something he just overthrew like
Hunter Long or something likethat.
Stuff that shouldn't behappening when you have a you
know just a layup in terms of athrow.
But he did all that he could,man.
(16:14):
I mean, he made the nice play toTim Patrick.
Um, of course, he had uh, youknow, he had a couple of really
nice throws during the game aswell.
It seemed like him and BrianThomas Jr.
are starting to get going.
But I dare you to find anyquarterback that's going to be
successful after being hit thatmany times and sacked as well
and under that much pressure.
So it's nice to see him runningthe football a little bit more,
(16:34):
you know, seeing a little bitmore of Clemson Tigers, Trevor.
But, you know, again, if if youthink that loss was on Trevor
Lawrence, you're simply notpaying attention.
I will be one of the firstpeople, you know, to call out
any frustrations when it comesto his play or anybody's play.
Uh, but Trevor certainly was notthe problem on Sunday.
And um, you know, especiallywhen we've seen that Trevor, we
(16:56):
have seen him play poorly, andthat certainly is not what
happened uh against Seattle.
Go ahead, Jay.
SPEAKER_04 (17:01):
Yeah, yeah.
Again, you know, um on themisses, um, and he and to uh
answer your question, he hadanother good one where he threw
the ball, which is dangerous todo, by the way.
Um, kids don't do what you sawTrevor Lawrence do Sunday.
He threw the ball across thefield to John, uh, it was either
Munt or Hunter.
SPEAKER_01 (17:19):
It was Hunter long, he had that crazy first down.
It was on fourth down, too,wasn't it?
SPEAKER_04 (17:23):
Yeah, it was like on fourth down, but he was so open,
you know, like it was like, whynot?
But kids don't do that at home,like you will get picked off.
But um, yeah, um, it was a atweet that I pulled up here to
kind of just like show what theywere dealing with at left
tackle.
It was from Jordan DeLugo here,and um, yeah, he says here in
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six games this year, WalkerLittle has allowed four or more
pressures in at least threegames, I guess is what he was
trying to say.
It's a typo in there.
And then um it says that his uh94.3 pass pro efficiency is a
far cry from the 97.5 he had in2025.
So he's saying it's adiscrepancy there, albeit it
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looks small.
He has allowed the third mostpressures of any offensive
tackle in football this year,and um the two players in front
of him are starting due toinjuries, right?
So, like basically they're therebecause the number one offensive
tackles were injured.
So, yeah, that just kind ofshows you, man, that um we
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probably should start circlingleft tackle um in terms of when
we look at those draft needs,even though we're you know we're
back with drafting um in theback of each round.
I think we got an early secondround pick from the Browns, but
aside from that, like I thinkwe're we're drafting in the back
of each round.
But yeah, man, if you are gonnastart watching film at this
(18:50):
point, guys, on draft prospects,we might start need uh we might
need to start looking at someleft tackles.
SPEAKER_01 (18:57):
Yeah, you can you can bet that James Gladstone is
going to want to get his own guyin here.
And you know, we saw some ofthose bulky guys, like you just
talked about, like uh coming upshort in in terms of uh this
game.
And um, you know, we'll uhthere's there's still some work
to be done for sure.
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Uh and then you know, I guessfrom uh my next question here,
Jay, goes from uh one little toanother uh when it comes to
special teams.
Like, what's your level ofconcern here with Cam Little?
I think we addressed this acouple weeks ago, and the
situation's not necessarilygetting any better.
And first off, of course, hemisses the extra point, which I
(19:37):
think I saw some people talkingabout, like might have been his
first extra miss like missedextra point in his football
career, like dating back to highschool.
Like it just doesn't happen withWalker Little.
We we talk about the yips a lotwhen it comes to kickers
specifically.
It it certainly is a thing.
Like we saw it with I can'tremember the kicker we brought
over from San Diego a coupleyears ago, the one that hit the
(19:58):
big field goal in the uh theplayoff game, but like that was
him in San Diego, right?
Comes over here, he's great.
Uh so that does happen when itcomes to kickers.
A lot of that is a mental game.
So I want to ask you first,what's your concern about Cam
Little?
And then also because a lot ofpeople are talking about it,
like, would you have gone fortwo in that situation when the
Jaguars ended up doing it?
It's instead of making it 20 to14, it's 20 to 12, and you know,
(20:21):
kind of changes the wholedimension of the game.
But also at the same time, ifyou put four points on the board
from Walker Little, that's alsoa completely different football
game.
So, what are your thoughts onCam Little and also the decision
to go for two at that stage ofthe game?
SPEAKER_04 (20:35):
Uh, you mean Cam Little, um, but I know what you
mean.
Uh you say it walk a little, butyeah, both Littles are
frustrating.
So Yeah, well, you know, we talkabout special teams.
We might talk about specialteams like in terms of the
amount of time we spent onspecial teams more than any
Jaguars podcast.
Um, and um, yeah, I do feellike, yeah, you're right, the
(20:57):
yips are like a real thing.
Like, look at it like a picture,uh, like a picture in MLB.
Like, they go through it too.
Like, you'll see these pictureswhere for the most part of their
um season, they'll look lightsout, right?
But they'll have a game or twoor a stretch or two, you know.
And I could say this likelooking at Spencer Strider, for
(21:17):
example, where they just lookout of character, right?
And it takes a lot ofwherewithal to get you back to
where you were.
And I think that's what it is,man.
Like he's gonna have to dig deepmentally and you know, get
himself right, which again, youknow, I kind of mentioned him
before.
We we've talked about him beforelike two weeks ago, where what I
(21:37):
do like about him is he canalways go back to the high
pressure atmospheres that he'skicked in in the SEC, right?
It's like you always have thatto go back to to get yourself
right.
Um I am more concerned than Iwas about him two weeks ago
because when you're missingextra points, right?
That's a little bit concerning.
(21:58):
Now, granted, you said that washis first extra point ever
missed in his career, which isinsane.
Um, but yeah, like that's whatI'm saying is that also proves
the the fact that that's veryuncharacteristic of him for him
to miss the extra point, whichit's like, okay, now you're
missing extra points.
Now we should definitely beconcerned.
And just the the kicks are justcoming off his foot, just kind
(22:21):
of funny too, man.
So maybe it's a mechanicalthing, right?
Like, um, you know, I'm not alike I'm not a kicking expert.
Like, I more so can speak onspecial teams coverage and how
it should be covered and howpeople should be getting down
the field and things like that.
Um, so like maybe we shouldbring in somebody like Josh Goby
one day on this podcast to seeif he can help us break this
(22:44):
down.
But um, yeah, I am moreconcerned um than I was before.
I would say moderately concernedwith them, but not like panic
button concerned with them rightnow.
So we'll see.
Um, it does, and it would helpfor us to have some kind of
confidence in him because inthis league, you're gonna it's
gonna come a time where he'sgonna have to hit a game-winning
(23:05):
field goal for us.
And for us to say we'reconfident that he'll do it after
the stretch he's been through,like if they have to try them on
the field for a situation likethat, all of our hearts are
gonna be on the ground prettymuch.
And um, you know, that was notthe case previously.
Anytime we tried Cam Little outthere in the past, it's like
(23:26):
this is automatic.
He's gonna make it.
And it feels bad to not havethat luxury anymore.
Like, it feels like you know, alot of anxiety is gonna come um
with his um his kick in thisseason, but hopefully he'll get
it right in time.
We'll tell on that.
Oh, yeah, the two-pointconversion, that was in the
fourth quarter, right?
I think that was like one of thelast plays I saw too, Phil, by
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the way.
Um, in regards to that, I Iunderstand it because I think
they were just trying to get ina situation where so that would
have gave them what 14 points,correct, if they would have
converted.
And they were probably weighingthe fact that they were
struggling offensively and thatthey weren't getting to you know
the red zone that much.
And in their mind, maybe theywere thinking, like, hey, uh the
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struggles we're having, we maynot be able to get to the red
zone, but one more time, becausethey are they are demolishing us
on the front.
So like if we are able to get tothe red zone one more time and
we're able to score, we'll beable to win this game by one
point.
And then you can just pin it onyour defense uh to hold the
Seattle Seahawks off for therest of the game, which you
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know, in theory, that's that'ssomething that also should not
have been super hard to dobecause you know, Sam Darnold
for as um as okay as he's beenfor the Seattle Seahawks, I
would rather pin this game,especially with how Anthony
Campanili has been schemingthings up and causing turnovers.
I would much so rather pin it onthem to finish the game off and
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be able to, you know, stop SamDarnold if it came to that, um,
over pinning it on our offensewho struggled mightily in this
game, if that makes sense.
SPEAKER_01 (25:05):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a loss also a lot
was, you know, kind of youalluded to just trying to like
get something going.
I mean, the offense had been sostagnant the entire game, which
is crazy.
Well, I wouldn't say the entiregame because actually on the
first touchdown drive, the onethat ended in the Brian Thomas
Jr.
touchdown, they made it lookeasy, man.
They 100% look like a team thatbelonged.
That's the team that beat theKansas City Chiefs, and they
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just drove down the field likenothing, and all of a sudden
they were in the end zone.
And and then from that point on,it was nothing until again,
Trevor is improvising andrunning for his life on almost
every single play.
So yeah, I I understand like toa point like both sides of that
argument, but I also I I didn'thate the call.
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Um, but again, it comes down tolike Little should have given us
minimum four points there.
You know, it should be 20 to 17,uh bare minimum, heading into
the fourth quarter, or at leastafter that uh that second
touchdown, you know.
So do his job, and um, you know,we won't find ourselves having
this debate.
Go ahead, Jay.
SPEAKER_04 (26:07):
Exactly right.
The reason they found themselvesdoing it is because the special
teams aspect of it has been um,you know, not showing up.
SPEAKER_01 (26:15):
And we all Logan Cook too, man.
Like something, something'sgoing on.
SPEAKER_04 (26:19):
Yeah, yeah.
And we've seen like obviously,like the key with this team is
um they are their best.
And I mean, this is a lot ofteams, but especially this team,
they are their best wheneverybody, all three aspects of
the ball, all three sides of theball can contribute something,
right?
And where we've seen themstruggle is where one side of
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the three isn't able tocontribute.
And in this case, it was theoffense and special teams,
right?
So now you got the offensetrying to overcompensate for the
special teams issues, whereas,you know, when you look at the
games where we've won, you know,it's been some kind of special
teams contribution that hashelped us to win, like the
Parker Washington touchdown,Bachelor Tootin', you know, um
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getting us to the like 40, youknow, so on and so forth.
Normally we've had one goodspecial teams play to help us
offset like whatever offensiveissues that we've been going
through.
And we've especially anotherthing that's showing two feel
we've always also had the luxuryof Anthony Campanili going out
there and getting us threeturnovers too, and that has
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disappeared the last two weekstoo.
So, like, you know, um not ascomplimentary as they have been,
that's really hurting them.
Um, I will say this on the play,on the um, not the play, but the
series that you mentioned, wherewe drove the ball down the field
with ease.
Man, I love that fake screenthat I don't know if it was Liam
(27:45):
or the offensive coordinatorthat they came up with, but it
was a fake screen where BrianThomas looked like he was going
to block for Parker Washington,uh fake the block, snuck past
the cornerback who I think wasShaquille Griffin, by the way.
I'll have to go back and look atit, and was wide open like our
old buddy.
There you go.
Uh nobody was near him, though,man.
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Like he um he saw that screenwell, and obviously they they
had the the defense there fullagain.
A very, very intelligent defensethat Mike McDonald is running
there.
So I love that play.
And one last takeaway that Iwant to discuss, too, is man,
um, speaking of receivers, youknow, Brian Thomas Jr.
outsmarting them.
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Also, their our uh widereceivers outclassed us in a lot
of ways.
That really stood out to me.
Um, Jackson Smith and Jigba, whoI were I was very high on, and
Boogie was too.
Shoutouts to uh my nephewBoogie.
And uh we always talked to himin the thread, but he's really
coming into his own.
I think they said he was likesecond in receiving on only
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under Puka Nakua um coming intothis game.
But his technical skills, man,really showed because sometimes
uh in these plays he wascovered, man.
And he would break free withjust how he cut out of his route
and what have you.
And then you add in Gary Kubiakscheming him open as well to a
lot of um it was one play whereGary Kubiak um drew the
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linebackers up further up forSmith and Jigba to run a crosser
behind them, right?
Like between that and histechnical skills, man, I was
very impressed.
And even with, you know, you sawit with albeit he's an older
player now, Cooper Cup, man, heand his technical skills um
really showed up as well becausethere was one play where I think
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it was um Jordan Lewis was rightthere on him, right?
And Cooper Cup just with inyears and years of experience,
right?
You know, he he knows how toweigh coverages and understand
coverages, um, was able to justto get just a slight step.
It wasn't even that big of astep on him, and they hit him,
and that was his first touchdownof the year.
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And that was the first touchdownthat I think that Jordan Lewis
has given up to as well.
But that just kind of shows youhow technical uh and technically
savvy both Cooper Cup and Smithand Jigba were.
So I I want to give them a shoutout too because um they they
played a heck of a game, thosetwo, um, in terms of what I saw
on film.
SPEAKER_01 (30:16):
Yeah, man.
Jackson Smith and Jigba,certainly one of those guys that
like deserves that to be to bein that conversation of one of
the top wide receivers in theNFL.
And uh yeah, he he showed out,man.
I mean, obviously he had the biguh what what a terrible debut
for Greg Newsom.
And I don't think it was fullyon him.
I didn't get to watch the all22J, so you tell me if like you
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got to look at that play better,uh, because a lot of people were
also blaming Dewey for being outof place or uh him having a hand
in that play as well.
But uh yeah, not not the bestway to aggratiate yourself with
the fans, uh, but again, it'sone of the best wide receivers
in the NFL.
So um, yeah, it was justoverall, again, kind of from
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from beginning to end, just agame that Seattle was totally
prepared for.
And uh, you know, it's it's oneof the reasons why I I like I
don't necessarily think likeSeattle's gonna go on a Super
Bowl run, but I think they'll beone of those really difficult
outs when it comes to down thestretch in the NFC, whether that
be in the playoffs or just inthe final weeks of the season.
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Um, I did want to ask you, Jay,because this is actually
something that not only Wig hasbrought up, but I was listening
to Locked on Jaguars yesterdayand today, and some other people
have kind of been talking aboutas well.
And of course, the nationalmedia is gonna be uh, you know,
whenever they talk about theJags, this is going to come up.
And is it time where are you atwith this Travis Hunter
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development?
Because as Wig pointed out,there are moments in the game
where he's not in, where he'snot in the game on like a big
third down, whether it be onoffense or defense.
And it's like, that's why youbrought him in, is to be that
difference maker.
And if you're I think the termthat the sentence that Wig had
(32:01):
used is if you're if you're inboth rooms, then that means like
the offensive room and thedefensive room, that means
you're not in uh in the otherroom enough enough time to learn
whatever position it may be.
I believe during the draftprocess you said he was a better
you liked him better as adefender.
Do you want him to focus more onthat?
Whatever it may be, whateverit's they're going to focus on,
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like I feel like they need tostart doing that with him with
him, especially considering thedraft capital that you gave up
and what you brought him in todo.
So, six weeks into the season,coming up on week seven, where
are you at with this TravisHunter experiment?
Are they doing him a disserviceby allowing him to continue to
want, you know, he obviouslywants to play on both sides of
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the football, but as coaches, dothey need to step in and say,
hey, you need to focus more onthis and we'll spot you here
every once in a while?
Where are you at, you know, amonth and a half into the
season?
SPEAKER_04 (32:55):
I think they're overthinking it, to be honest
with you, Phil.
Um, I and you you hit the nailon the head.
I've always thought that he wasa better cornerback, and um, we
do need him at the cornerposition more anyway, now um
that you know, we're goingthrough the situation where we
traded Tyson, right?
So Tyson's out the door.
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And I think I don't know, Ican't remember what analyst said
this, but there was an analyst,it may have been Pi uh Pete
Prisco who said this, but umthey believe that Travis Hunter
with Tyson Campbell out of thedoor, the goal is to make Travis
Hunter more of a full-timecornerback next year.
So they're trying to like easehim into that role next year,
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not thrust him into it thisyear.
But I honestly would like to seehim, and I I don't have the snap
percentages in front of me, butI would love to see a game where
he's in there 80% of the time atcornerback at the very least.
And then what I would do on umoffense, and this is just me
personally, right?
Liam Cohen is he's got morecoaching ability than I ever
(34:02):
could have, right?
But um what I would do is Iwould like to see him 80% um on
the defensive side because he'she's fared well at cornerback,
by the way.
Like he's been quite well, likewe haven't had any um highlights
where we've seen Travis Hunterreally getting beat, aside from
that Bengals game where thatwasn't even a penalty, right?
(34:23):
That they called on him.
And then I would do uh and shoutouts to um I think it was Jason
Kelsey or Travis Kelsey who saidthis in their podcast.
It's when he is on offense, andobviously if he's on defense 80%
of the time, it's gonna takesome time.
It's gonna take the amount ofsnaps he can spend on offense as
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well.
But when he's on offense, man,just use him as a deep threat,
man, because that's where he'sbeen the most effective, right?
And I think it was Travis thatsaid this.
Travis Kelsey was like, man,just let that kid run downfield
and go catch the ball, man.
Let him go downfield.
And a lot of these catches thatwe're seeing with him feel are
catches where they'll let himcatch it near the line of
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scrimmage and he, you know, hehas to make yardage after the
catch, which he's very good atdoing, by the way.
But he's even better at uhcatching deep balls, in my
opinion.
Like the time that we have beenmost excited about Travis
Hunter, when you look at all ofthe games that they've played,
the the last game, not the uhnot the Seahawks game, but
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Monday night football, that wasthe game that we left feeling
the most excited by TravisHunter.
And you know why it was thatway?
Because he caught two deep ballsthat really, really gave the
Jacksonville Jaguars um someexplosive playmaking ability
down the field.
So if you can use him on alimited basis on offense where
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that's his primary role, is tobe a deep threat and then on um
use him 80% on the um thedefensive side of the ball where
he's been playing his best ball,man.
I think like that's where he'llhit his stride if they move to
that.
But again, I think it was Peteor Tom Palisero or whoever it
(36:08):
was, um, it may be Albert Breer,one of them.
It sounds like they're trying toease him into being a cornerback
more so next year, and that'skind of where the conflict's
coming in between like how theyfeel about him and how we feel
about him as fans.
SPEAKER_01 (36:25):
Yeah, and it never helps like this is kind of the
deal with Trayvon Walker, right?
Like Trayvon Walker is anoutstanding player, but
nationally, because of how goodAiden Hutchinson is, you know,
he's not necessarily going toget that same um uh attention.
What's happening here?
Travis Hunter is getting allthat attention, but there is a
guy down in Tampa, your guy, uhMekka Eggbuka, who is not
(36:50):
surprisingly killing it rightnow.
So on the you know, on the widereceiver end.
And and uh Wig also brought thisup.
This was a really good point.
Like you talk about the offensesin LA, Tampa, Minnesota, Puka,
uh Mike Evans, Justin Jefferson,but those guys aren't playing on
defense as well when it comes tothose receivers.
You know, wide receivers canflourish in this offense.
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We're starting to see BrianThomas Jr.
get going, but Travis Hunter'strying to play both sides of the
football.
And if they are going tocontinue to do so, then like you
said, uh they got to stopoverthinking it.
And I I think at one at acertain point, you know, I like
I agree.
I think they should they shouldplay most of the snaps at uh on
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defense and then spot him onoffense.
That seems to be the much betterway like for him to get to get
going.
Just seems like as far as hisskill set, it'd be much easier
to insert in him into certainoffensive formations as opposed
to taking him on and off thefield on defense.
But uh again, I I refer to guysthat like yourself and then
other people like Wig to let meknow like what would be the best
(37:56):
way to do it.
But um, you know, I we're noteven halfway through the season.
It's it's tough because you dosee rookies have an immediate
impact, but like we haven't seenanybody do this or attempt this
in a long time.
So it's it's hard to likebalance out that sense of
frustration because it's notfrustration with Travis, it's
like they're trying to dosomething again that no one has
(38:18):
had to do in a long time.
SPEAKER_04 (38:20):
Yeah, I mean, it's a reason why we haven't seen this
attempted on both sides of theball, right?
You know what I'm saying?
Because it's simply hard for anycoach to do, right?
So that being said, man, um,yeah, as you said, it is early.
Um, but I would be ecstatic if Isaw Travis Hunter play like 80%
(38:42):
of the snaps at cornerback, man.
And, you know, let him tell it,man.
He could probably, according tohim, he could do 80% on offense
at the same time.
But I think, you know, the umthe coaching staff are trying to
have some kind of restraint.
They're trying to draw some kindof line, right?
Because this is the NFL as tolike, you know, putting a load
(39:04):
on him that's that big, right?
80% on offense and 80% ondefense is a little bit insane,
you know.
As good as an athlete as he is,but um, yeah, I mean, I think
like with the additional snaps,if they were to let him play
like 80% on defense too, I thinkthat would clear up some of
these narratives that we'rehearing about, like where, you
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know, people are like, well, youknow, Omeka Abuka is looking
better at the wide receiverposition than Travis Hunter.
And like, it would stop thecomparisons because what it
would do is I think that wouldput Travis Hunter in a situation
where he would just be ballingout as a cornerback, and that
alone, you know, I I can seehim, I can envision him if they
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go 80% of the snaps on defensefrom this point heading forward.
I can envision Travis Hunter.
I wouldn't be shocked if the kidcould get like four or five
interceptions, and then thoseconversations of comparing him
to other, you know, rookies thatwere taken in the first round,
then we'll have a counter tothat.
Like, okay, well, you know, thiskid is leading rookies
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potentially, if you know, if itever got to that in
interceptions.
Um, he's leading rookies in, youknow, coverage grade, whatever
the case may be.
Um, so I think they do need tolet him focus on cornerback, and
that would give us a betterargument for these people who
are trying to compare him toother rookies.
But with the the snaps beingkind of distributed the way they
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are, he's not gonna be able tomake a case against any rookies,
whether you're trying to comparehim to wide receivers or
cornerbacks, the way thatthey're going about his snaps.
SPEAKER_01 (40:42):
Yeah.
So, you know, um, we haven'tseen any reason to not trust the
coaching staff fully yet, youknow, outside of these damn
penalties, which you know wejust can't continue to have a
conversation about every singleweek.
They gotta they gotta clean thatup, and that's really all there
is to it.
But uh, my next question, Jay,as we kind of get towards the
end of this episode, um, ofcourse, we in terms of the the
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pass rush and you know the thelack thereof, um we're we're
paying Josh Heinz Allen a lot ofmoney, and he does not have a
sack yet.
And uh, of course, withoutTrayvon Walker being fully 100%,
you know, we're seeing theimpact of that.
We see uh you know a lot ofpeople learning the importance
and uh we what I mean we'veknown for a long time, but uh,
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you know, maybe peoplenationally also realizing what
an important person TrayvonWalker and what an important
role he plays on this defense.
Uh what do you think is is thelevel of concern for Josh Hines
Allen?
And do you attribute it to theinterior?
You know, they're they'reclearly making they they've
already alluded to more movesbeing made.
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A lot of people are linking themto some other defensive, you
know, some interior linemen.
I think there was the news thatcame out they called about the
Green Bay Packers guy.
Uh, I can't remember his namehere off the top of my head.
Everybody, of course, isthrowing out names like a Dexter
Lawrence, but all of a suddenthe the Giants are winning
games.
Who knows what's gonna happenthere?
So do you credit it to, again,the interior having a lot of
(42:10):
struggles?
Um, or is it just simply thatJosh Hines Allen, hey, you're
getting paid a lot of money, yougot to start playing like it.
SPEAKER_04 (42:15):
Yeah, so I mean, obviously, not having Trayvon
Walker doesn't help thesituation in terms of um the
attention that you can place onJosh Allen and what have you,
regardless of how you feel aboutthe interior part of the
defense.
Um, so you know, there is that.
Um, because you know, whenthey're fully healthy and
they're together, make nomistake about it, they are one
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of the best pass rushing tandemsin football.
Now that said, even when puttingTrayvon back into the equation,
I still never thought they hadenough in the interior in terms
of getting that push in theinterior that they need.
Um now, granted, look, DevonHamilton is a you know, he's
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never really done it for me, buthe's a good player.
You know, he's a player that canoffer you some run stuffs, a
yard behind a line of scrimmage,you know, things like that.
But in terms of pushing thepocket and giving you pocket
penetration, he's not that guy.
And you know, I was looking atPFF the other day.
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I think for most of his career,he's never really registered
over a 60 as a pass rusher,aside from like maybe twice in
his career.
Whereas these names that youknow we're mentioning in terms
of the rumors, Jeffrey Simmonsand Dexter Lawrence have
registered over 70s for most oftheir career as pass rushers in
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terms of you know the gradeswith PFF.
And again, you know, sometimeswe agree with the grades at PFF,
sometimes we don't.
And in this case, we do.
But those two guys that I justmentioned, they've registered
over 70 as a pass rusher formost of their career.
I think with Simmons, he'sregistered over 70, aside from
two seasons, his first twoseasons, um, in terms of the
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pass rush grade, and thenLawrence only has registered
below a 70 once, and that washis rookie season.
So that kind of tells you thedifference in what you're
looking at there.
Indeed, I remind you that theyare pretty good against the run.
Their run support grades are notbad too.
So they could do a little bit ofboth, whereas Devon Hamilton is
a little bit one-dimensional.
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And when you look at the Jaguarshistory, right, it's always
taking that one pocketpenetrator to get the defense
over the top.
History has always shown that,and that's just how football
simply works.
But even when you go back to theprevious regimes, right, with um
Dave Caldwell, um, he he had toeventually bring Malik Jackson
(44:50):
into the mix to help them getthat push in the pocket that
they needed, right?
And then I guess Balkeyattempted it with Eric Armstead,
and then they ended up likemisplacing him.
Um he was playing, you know, onthe edge.
But I I think that was probablythe intent when he signed Eric
Armstead was for him to be thepocket pusher um that they
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needed him, uh, that they neededduring his regime, the Trent
Balkey regime.
So, yeah, historically when youlook at just how the
Jacksonville Jaguars um havebeen dominant when they've been
dominant along the offensiveline, it's typically been
because they've had that guywho's a deep pocket penetrator,
and they simply don't have thatguy right now to help Josh Hines
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Allen.
But if we were able to get him,you'll see a drastic difference.
And um, I think that's why yousee James Gladstone and you hear
these rumors of them lookinginto the types of players that
they are looking into.
SPEAKER_01 (45:48):
Yeah, it's obviously it's completely different
positions, but like it's kind ofsimilar to like what's happening
with Trevor.
Like, what can he really do whenhe's got constant pressure?
You know, I I haven't seen thenumbers in terms of how often
Josh Hines Allen is has been uhdouble teamed or you know uh
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attracted a lot more attentionsince Trayvon Walker has been
out, but I'm sure it's a prettyhigh number.
And you know, this is somethingwe've seen before.
Like we need a guy like in thelike in the uh you know,
Saxonville days, like in YannickNgakway.
You know, they can just go.
They can just go get thequarterback, and uh, you know,
they've been trying to find thatkind of that running mate with
him, and it is Trayvon Walker,but in terms of the interior,
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you know, they those guys justaren't there.
Mason Smith has been a no-show,right?
We we had very high hopes forhim.
So um just add that to anotherthing on the list, Jay, that I
think James Gladstone and LiamCohen are certainly going to
address very soon, whether it'dbe in the draft or even again
via trade.
But um, to wrap up here, Jay, Iguess we'll talk about a little
bit like going forward becausethe Jaguars did, and Liam Cohen
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already announced today thatDevin Lloyd will not make the
trip to London.
Um, obviously, um, as youalready alluded to, the Rams are
going to be out with withoutPuka Nakua.
So big name players out for bothteams on that side.
You know, what what do you thinkthat does in terms of how the
Jaguars approach the game overin London?
Devontae Adams hasn'tnecessarily been, I think, the
(47:15):
game breaker they expected himto be.
But also when he has Puka nextto him, he doesn't have to be.
But with Puka Nakua now out, uh,what do you think is going to be
the bigger loss?
Maybe the Rams with Puka Nakuaor the Jaguars with Devin Lloyd?
SPEAKER_04 (47:27):
Oh, I think Puka.
By the way, Puka, like, I thinkPuka Nakua is like he he's
personally one of my favoriteplayers in the league, dude.
Like a topic.
He might be fifth play player,like in the league.
Top three and probably notthree.
So that he that guy's elite,man.
And also, too, what what thefactor into it is not just how
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how I rank Puka in terms ofwhere he is in the league, in
terms of how good of a player heis, but also too, um, the
Jacksonville Jaguars haveVentrell Miller, who's not a bad
player, you know, by the way.
And Ventrell Miller, as a matterof fact, he was when I was
speaking on the players ondefense, like the four players,
(48:10):
I think it was four players thatgot a score of 70 or higher on
PFF in the last game, he was oneof them.
He led the way, by the way,Phil.
I think he had over 85 VentrellMiller, albeit look, it's a
small sample size.
He he went out there for thewhole game, but um still just to
come in and um play such animportant role for this defense
(48:30):
on like a spot duty type ofsituation and still be able to
register over 85 is is quitetelling.
And we we've seen him flashbefore right field last year.
We were just calling him theleader of the new school, right?
Because we felt like when welooked at these bulky picks and
these bulky free agents, when welooked ahead, which is this
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year, we were look at the timeit was 2024.
We were like, who who here we wecan see here for years and years
to come?
And Ventrell Miller was thefirst one we mentioned, pretty
much.
Um, so yeah, I have faith inhim.
He's a very good linebacker.
Um, now look, to replace DevinLloyd in the outer body
experience he's having, like,he's not gonna play at that
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level, obviously, right?
Like, we're talking about DevinLloyd being the defensive player
of the year.
Like, so Vince, that's a lot ofthat's that's some big time
shoes to feel, but I think hecertainly can um go out there
and hold his own, especiallywith Foyer next to him, by the
way, too.
So I think the Puka, the absenceof Puka is way more significant
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than what um we're dealing withon our end.
SPEAKER_01 (49:40):
Yeah, he is such an essential part of that team.
And no, granted, I haven'tnecessarily been 100% paying
attention to the LA Rams, butyou know, every time you look
up, Puka Nakua is making a play.
So even I think just an easy guyto root for, you know, that's
why he's one of our favorites towatch.
So um, but yeah, the Devin Lloydinjury, certainly uh um uh
(50:01):
unfortunate, definitely a bighit, especially when it comes to
uh when you talk about um like adefensive player of the year
campaign, we'll see how long heis going to be out, but we'll
certainly keep tabs on that.
But uh Jay, is there anythingelse you want to get to here in
this episode as we wrap up?
Uh again, just a disappointingloss all around, but the Jaguars
(50:21):
still find themselves inposition uh to uh you know be in
striking range for, of course,the division.
The Colts still five and one,playing very well.
We'll have two big matchups withthem towards the end of the
season, uh, but hope to avoidback-to-back losses for the
first time this year and uh youknow pull out a win, another
victory across the pond.
So anything else you want totalk about before we wrap up for
(50:42):
the evening?
SPEAKER_04 (50:43):
Nah, we've covered it, man.
I want to just wash this one offour hands.
I mean, well, I can't do thatbecause I got to watch the rest
of the fourth quarter.
Um so um I'm I'm ready to get tothat point, though, where we
wash this one off our hands andstart moving forward.
Uh it's interesting youmentioned the Colts, man.
I was looking at their schedule,man.
The hardest part is coming upfor them, though.
(51:04):
Like, the part that they've gonethrough is we'll learn a lot
about the Colts here prettysoon.
Yep.
Like, and the the it's theopposite with us, we've gone
through the hardest part of ourschedule.
We we had that road game againstthe 40 uh 49ers, right?
Uh, we had the um Monday night.
SPEAKER_01 (51:23):
Monday night, right?
SPEAKER_04 (51:24):
Like those were the two.
If you would have asked me andyou like before the season, what
are the two like you know mostdifficult games in our eyes?
It was those two, right?
You know what I'm saying?
So um, or we would put themsomewhere on among the top of
the list.
So yeah, we're gonna find outabout them and Daniel Jones and
um I think come November, man,uh, you know, that's where don't
(51:46):
we face them twice in November,right, Phil?
I think or December.
SPEAKER_01 (51:50):
December.
7th and the 28th.
Right.
That's uh the 28th is the homegame.
So that's the one you certainlydon't want to lose if you're
Jacksonville with that winstreak against them at home.
But yeah, uh to touch on thatreally quick, like you said,
Chargers, then they have theTitans.
That'll be that should be a win.
Then you have the Steelers, andthen they play their own game in
(52:11):
London against the Falcons.
Who knows what can happen there,and then they have the Chiefs.
So Chargers, Steelers, Chiefs,those are three teams that will,
you know, by that time eitherthey are in first place or they
will be in first place.
But then the Chiefs couldpossibly be turning things
around here, which is kind ofconcerning.
But yeah, three of their next uhfour or five games, yeah.
(52:32):
I mean, yeah, they they thenthey still have the Seahawks and
the Niners on their schedule aswell.
They do play Houston twice,which I think is gonna be gonna
benefit them.
But yeah, we'll learn a lot moreabout them here pretty soon.
Uh kudos to them.
Hey, listen, five and one isfive and one, man.
And they only lost to the Ramsby seven.
So I'm not gonna take anythingaway from them, but like at the
end of the day, and they'llprobably say this about Trevor
(52:53):
Lawrence, but like still at theend of the day, Daniel Jones is
still your quarterback.
So we'll see what happens.
Uh, but we are going to learnabout the Indianapolis Colts
very, very soon.
So that is going to be worthkeeping an eye on.
Again, two big matchups comingup in a couple of months.
Uh Jaguars just need to keeppace, which I think they'll do.
Uh I um feel good about thisteam, even though, again, Sunday
(53:14):
was a rough watch.
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