June 17, 2025 • 49 mins
Have you ever watched someone defend a clearly broken product or problematic politician with the fervor of a religious zealot? That strange psychological phenomenon finally has a name: "Cybertruck Syndrome."
This episode introduces a fascinating new concept that explains why certain people become utterly incapable of admitting when they've backed the wrong horse. We explore how this cognitive pattern goes beyond simple stubbornness or sunk cost fallacy to become an identity-level investment that makes acknowledging failure psychologically impossible.
Starting with Tesla's problem-plagued Cybertruck and its devoted fanbase, Lindsay and Christopher analyze how owners continue defending their $150,000 vehicles despite multiple recalls, breakdowns, and design flaws that would send most reasonable consumers looking for refunds. From stuck accelerator pedals to windshield wipers that fail in the rain, these trucks embody a perfect metaphor for misplaced loyalty.
The conversation expands beyond vehicles to explore politically charged examples, including Christian conservatives who support politicians whose behaviors directly contradict their professed values, small business owners voting against their economic interests, and Democratic leaders who couldn't acknowledge Biden's debate performance issues until it was too late.
What makes this pattern particularly toxic is how it normalizes never admitting when you're wrong. As Christopher notes, "When you rely strictly on faith and nothing else, that's where you kind of come up with these things." The hosts examine how faith-based thinking versus evidence-based reasoning might contribute to vulnerability to this syndrome.
Through equal-opportunity criticism of both political sides and thoughtful analysis of cognitive dissonance, this episode offers valuable insight into a psychological pattern affecting everything from consumer choices to political polarization. If you've ever wondered why some people simply cannot admit when they've made a mistake, this conversation provides illuminating answers.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hi and welcome to the Toxic Cooking Show, where we
break down toxic people intotheir simplest ingredients.
I'm your host for this week.
Lindsay McLean, with me, is myco-host.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Christopher Patchett, LCSW.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Now, normally I would start off an episode that's
about a certain topic by askingyou if you've heard of this
before, or then maybe goingahead and reading you the
example.
But you haven't heard of thisphrase before Cybertruck
Syndrome and I know you haven'tbecause my dad came up with this
(00:51):
a couple of weeks ago.
This is fresh off the press, soI'm going to give you a couple
of examples of what I think makeup Cybertruck syndrome.
Then together we can come upwith a definition of what this
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is.
Okay, Sound good.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Let's hear it.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
All right.
Example one, which is where thename comes from, is Cybertrucks
and Cybertruck ownersspecifically.
So I'm not talking about Teslasin general, this is just the
Cybertrucks, because I know, Iknow you have seen the videos of
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these things just breaking downconstantly.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You know it's funny because I didn't even know that
there were other companies thatmade cyber trucks like
cyberspace trucks, you mean nono, this is the cyber truck made
by tesla yeah yeah I I, becauseI thought that you said we're
not just just talking abouttesla ah, no, sorry.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I mean we're not talking about like tesla cars in
general, like not the wholerange of cars, just just the
cyber trucks okay, okay yeah, soyou have seen the videos of the
cyber trucks breaking down yesyes, I know you have enjoyed
those yes, very much so becausewe've, we've seen.
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If you've been on the internetfor any amount of time recently,
you've seen them.
You know the guy who tries toand yes, it usually is a guy,
let's be honest tries to driveinto the water and the car
stalls and then it dies and ithas to be pulled out.
Or there's the one where theytry and like drive up a sandy
cliff and you can see the wheelslike turning and it's not going
away.
It has zero traction and theJeep just like up the side of
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the cliff past it.
I saw one where the guy triedto like manly drive over this
little picket fence with hiscyber truck and I don't know
what it did to this thing, butit definitely like fucked up the
car.
There was like smoke coming outof part of it Because it looked
like the pickets got likepushed into part of the
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underbelly of the thing and itwas like good job.
You may have like completelyruined your hundred thousand
plus dollar vehicle.
Yay, Because you wanted to be amanly man.
I've seen them, you know, tryingto quote unquote off road, ie,
they're driving on like a flatgrassy patch and the car dies.
They get stuck in snow.
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They won't open in the snow,they stay locked.
If they are in water, they canlock you in or out of the
vehicle.
These are all things that weknow about them and, yes, those
are just, you know, kind of likepasserby videos where they're
like hey, but we also have likedocumented evidence that this is
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like a really poorly builtvehicle.
Right, so, like end of 2019,when they were still like
promoting these things, theywere like bulletproof glass.
Oh my gosh, two windows werebroken during that live demo.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I remember that.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Uh-huh, uh-huh, that was yep, that's where it all
started and it just wentdownhill.
Then in mid 2023, I'm skippingover because some people if you
look up like Cybertruck problems, they're like, oh, it was
really delayed.
A lot of things are delayed.
I'm not, I'm not counting thatagainst them, but it finally
rolls out mid-2023.
We realize that the front andback doors aren't properly
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aligned the way they should beand I was like we probably
should have fixed that.
2024 was a bad year for thecyber truck.
It was recalled along withother Tesla vehicles because the
indicator font size for somereally important buttons was too
small and obviously that couldcause an accident.
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If you're like what is writtenthere, you know you kind of want
to be able to see what it says.
Very fixable problem.
But they had to be recalledbecause of that.
Users began to spot rust ontheir vehicles despite the fact
that they were stainless steel.
There were users who werereporting that they were getting
these like multiple flashingerror messages, like critical
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system errors, and it wouldbreak the car sometimes.
It was documented evidence ofpeople having to go in and be
like my car died and theCybertruck place is kind of like
sucks to suck man.
We had the cyber guillotine.
The anti-pinch sensors eitherare non-existent or like really,
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really bad.
So watch those fingies as thedoors close because they will
not like stop and bounce backlike they're supposed to.
That's really fun.
We also had accelerator pedalsthat were getting stuck because
of lubrication issues thatactually in April of 2024, they
all had to be recalled becauseof that.
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That was such a big issue thatthey had to recall all of them.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I can kind of see that being a um not a good thing
to get your accelerator stuckyeah, yeah that that could cause
some problems.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
But then, june 2024, we have the fourth cyber truck
recall.
Already these things have beenonly been out for a couple of
years and this is like fourthrecall and that was for its most
recent one.
I'm sure you heard about this.
The front trim piece is fallingoff.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, they just weren't properly attached.
Oh, and also the frontwindshield wipers were failing
Really important things ifyou're driving a car, really
important things if you'redriving a car.
And also things that, like, wehave known how to do for decades
in some cases.
This is not like super newtechnology where you're like, oh
(06:54):
, we're still working out thekinks.
We're still like, how shouldthis work?
And so you, you would be alittle bit more open to the idea
of, like, there will be somebugs along the way.
No, we know how to put frontwindshield wipers on.
I hope this, this should becommon knowledge for building a
vehicle.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And yet the thing is, I've and I've I've seen a lot
of other things where the sidetrimming coming off because of
the glue that's not even likewelded on or is not screwed on,
it's just basically Tesla glueand then also the hitch on the
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back.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
It works great for a short amount of time if you're
carrying, like you know, like um, a heavy load, basically you're
counting down the miles to it,to you know coming off I mean
again, I've seen videos of themtrying to do like man-to-man
truck things because they're theowners are convinced that this
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is like the manliest truck thatyou can own.
It's definitely a truck.
It's not a sedan, even thoughit technically kind of is, and
they try and make it do truckstuff and it's just not meant
for that.
They're not meant to gooff-road.
They can't handle it.
I've seen them have their backbumpers pulled off.
At this point I honestly wonderhow there are any Cybertrucks
left, because I've just seen somany videos of them getting like
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, destroying themselves overdumb shit.
Like you get into a pulling warwith like a Toyota or something
and that little thing just likeand like pulls off your entire
back bumper.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
So okay.
So I, I gotta ask you let let'ssee how, how country you are.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeehaw.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Have you ever heard of the thing called mudding?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
That sounds pretty familiar yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So when I first moved out here to West Virginia I was
talking to somebody and heasked me about like oh, have I
ever done mudding?
And I was like I don't knowwhat the fuck that is.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
You are such a little city boy, I am.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I will proudly admit that I am city as city comes,
and so he's telling me aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
They take quads out into the middle of like nowhere
yeah you just ring ring middleof like nowhere and through the
mud.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
And then they'll also do that with like four by four
trucks, and so, yeah, I mean,concerning the fact that I'm in
a town of 7,000 people, youhaven't gone mudding yet you
were missing out, maybe waituntil it's a little bit warmer.
Then you can go and yeah, I, Igrew up in the city, so I mean
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you know there's not a lot ofplaces to mud at.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I guess no, philly doesn't have room for that right
but yeah, I mean you, youcouldn't do that with a cyber
truck, it would be dead.
Yeah, like the chances of itbreaking while driving it like
that in those conditions isincredibly, incredibly high.
There's also the fact they'rejust really really expensive
vehicles, so when stuff breaksand goes wrong, you have limited
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recourse and it will cost youthousands of dollars to fix.
Why would you do this?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Meanwhile you'll still see pickup trucks from the
80s still on the road.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, little white Chevys, yep, they're still going
.
But that's what I think putsthe Cybertruck on this list and
why it got this name is that,despite all of that, this is
objectively a really poorlybuilt vehicle.
It has not been well thoughtout.
(10:50):
It was clearly just like theyslammed something together to
get it down that assembly line,like realize there was a problem
and someone's like whatever,just put some extra fucking glue
on there and keep it moving.
We have got to get this thingout.
It is very clear that that iswhat happened here.
We did not think stuff through.
We tried to reinvent the wheelto make it, you know, cool and
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manly, and that did not work.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
And yet I, I, so I'm gonna stop you before, because
you keep on using the word we,um, they, they did not think
this all the way through I know,I know it's just a verbal tick.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
That's true, they didn't, and that's why they are
now stuck with these things andthey are the ones who are
obsessed with it.
And you can, if you go onreddit, you will find people
like, sitting there in theirbroken down truck talking about
this, being like yeah, I droveover a little rock and this
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happened, it fell apart andwhatever, but fuck that Honda
who flicked me off while I wasdriving down the road.
They're an asshole and, anyways, they're not cool because
they're in a Honda.
I've got a Cybertruck, sweetie,you're the idiot here,
unfortunately.
But they are so dead set onnope, this is a great vehicle,
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this is a perfect vehicle.
It's very manly, it's very cool, it's very stylish, it's very
edgy.
Like me, I am all of thosethings and they have wrapped
themselves up around it andthey're like it's become their
personality and so they cannotaccept any critique of it.
There's no way to be like oh, Ithink it's really cool, but you
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know, yes, there's someproblems.
Nope, no problems.
It literally died on me.
I'm out 100,000, $150,000because this thing bricked on me
, but this is still the bestvehicle ever.
So that is example one ofCybertruck syndrome, just to get
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your mind thinking.
Example two, and again these areall very specific ones, so you
can help me come up with thedefinition at the end.
Example two would be christiansand small business owners who
support trump or other reallyfar right republican candidates.
Again, very, very, veryspecifically these ones.
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Now, full disclosure the onlytime I have ever read the Bible
was as part of a universityclass.
It's the only time.
Do we have them in my house?
Yes, have I ever felt the needto pick one up?
No, it can stay that way.
So I was not raised Christian.
(13:44):
I certainly am not.
Now you are not Christian.
So are we qualified to talkabout what Christianity is
Actually?
Yes, in this case, I think weare.
I think we are more qualified.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You know, the funny thing is, I do have a Bible in
my house too.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I don't even have one where I live here, but my dad
has a whole bunch.
I don't even have one where Ilive here, but my dad has a
whole bunch.
So we have some people that we,we know, that are, you know,
near where my parents are, andthey are very openly super
conservative Christian.
Their kids go to Christianprivate schools.
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They have made it known thatthis is what they believe.
It comes up in conversation,not appeared in their yard, but
a sign supporting HerschelWalker.
Now, you may have heard alittle bit about this.
(14:53):
Probably not a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I've heard plenty.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Oh, yeah, yeah, good, good, so you know who Herschel
Walker is.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Walker is, and one of the reasons why I did hear
playing is because he was afootball player for the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Oh, I never realized he was up with the Eagles, okay,
yeah, yeah, for those of youwho were lucky enough not to
hear about this man, so inGeorgia a couple of years ago
there was a Senate race and itwas.
Georgia magically has twoDemocratic senators, oh my God.
And one of them was up forreelection and he is a Black man
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, raphael Warnock.
And I legitimately thinkRepublicans were just like we
can game this system too.
We're going to get ourselves aBlack man so that people can't
be like, oh, you're just votingbecause of this way.
So they found old HerschelWalker, former football player,
pretty beloved in Georgia.
Apparently I had never heardhis name before, probably
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because my family has nothing todo with football, but a lot of
people knew of him, certainlybefore he said like I'm running
to be senator.
As the race progressed, therewere two women who came forward,
and these are accusations.
One of them produced a fairamount of evidence, the other
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one a little bit less, sayingthat he had pressured them to
have abortions.
So one of them was anex-girlfriend and another one
said that she had been seeinghim while he was married, oh God
, and that she had pressured himto have an abortion and the one
who was the ex-girlfriend.
If I remember correctly, sheproduced like a card that he
sent her that basically was likesorry, and he also had like
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sent her a check to help pay forit.
Again, these are accusations.
However, if you were somebodywho is against abortion, like
morally, you're like this iswrong in every sense, like
abortion should not be legal Iwould be concerned if my
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candidate, like, if that was me,I would be concerned if my
candidate had these accusationsleveled against him.
At the very least, like youlook was me, I would be
concerned if my candidate hadthese accusations leveled
against him.
At the very least, like youlook into that right, like you
don't just you don't have tobelieve everything that is said.
You know we should make surethat these are not false
accusations, but you also shouldat least look into it and be
like whoa, hey, what happenedhere?
We need to know.
And people didn't.
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They were just like nope, it'sfake.
Know?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
And people didn't they were just like nope, it's
fake.
You sure about that?
You sure?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
about that Because I'm not.
Yeah, I just.
I looked at them.
I was like you're not evenquietly supporting.
You literally have a sign forthis bastard in your yard and
you send your children toChristian school.
Make it make sense.
When your kids ask you aboutthis person, how are you going
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to explain why are we voting forhim, despite the fact that
there's, you know, potentiallythis major issue there?
How are you going to explain tothem that you're voting for the
guy who said grab her by thepussy, who has been married
multiple times, who routinelydoes nasty things to women and,
like, says nasty things aboutwomen?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
With Walker, the, the .
The main thing is, though, isthat, on top of that, this was,
you know, two years ago, whererodney uh, wade, uh was just all
that, that.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
That just happened this was before that happened,
22.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yes, so there was that threat, yeah, but that was
a huge.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I mean it still is, but at that time that was the
probably number one issue thatconservatives were kind of going
with is you know, abortion yeah, conservatives have always
loved to hate on and yet I findit interesting the number of
conservatives who informationcomes out about them, like
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having mistresses and secretchildren on the side, or
pressuring their, their mistress, girlfriend, whatever to have
an abortion, paying, paying forsome woman that they slept with,
had a one night stand with, tohave an abortion and then they
turn around and they tell peoplethey're like, yeah, abortion is
bad, abortion is evil.
It wasn't last night.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
And it should be outlawed.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, premarital sex was apparently okay, then
Cheating on your wife apparentlyis okay when you do it.
It is horrifying the number ofwith Republicans who do this,
and specifically Republicans.
I do not see it to the samelevel with Democrats.
There are some, of course,there are, people are shit and
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politicians are always slimy butI do not see it like to that
level that I see it withRepublicans.
So I'm like, if you're going tosit here and be like I vote,
you know I'm a Christian and I'mvoting for the Christian person
.
Are they?
Are they Christian Again?
Are they up actually upholdingwhat christianity should be,
like those tenants that yousupposedly believe in?
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Are they actually followingthrough with them?
Because I don't think they areso here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Is that, do you remember the name um al franken?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
al franken.
That sounds familiar.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
So he was a Democrat senator that he did like a USO
thing overseas and on the wayback there was an actress who
fell asleep and he stood over.
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Her had some pictures of him.
Like you know, like ha ha ha,I'm about to grope her type
thing ew do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
no, I don't remember any of this.
The name sounds familiar,though.
Did he not get maybe brought uplike during some senate hearing
or something?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I don't remember that I mean like more recently.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Whatever, whatever this case was with him.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
So in 2017, he did a USO tour and he did it with.
It was a radio broadcaster, amodel, Leanne Tweeden, and I
don't recognize her name.
Yeah, I never heard of hereither.
Radio broadcaster and model,leanne Tweeden I don't recognize
her name.
Yeah, I never heard of hereither.
So this was back in 2006.
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So it came out in 2017, butduring a tour in 2006, so that's
11 years beforehand.
He had a picture that wasphotographs of him holding his
hands above her breast while shewas sleeping.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Ew.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
He played it off that you know.
Oh, the picture is obviously ajoke.
I'm not groping her, but thething is is that you had a lot
of people, like even civilianskind of you know, saying like,
hey, that's totally fucked up.
That's the same reaction as you.
You know there was a lot ofpressure on him to leave the
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Senate.
So I mean, you know that's.
It amazes me sometimes that,like that's something that comes
out and you know people areable to say, oh well, that was a
long time ago, this was 11years ago.
And people are still like, yeah, you were 50-something then,
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you should have known better.
This isn't like whoops, I was 20years old and I was stupid.
No, you were 50 years old andyou thought this was funny.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
But see, at least he got in trouble for it.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Because these people are not getting in trouble for
it, and that's the issue here.
Is that Herschel Walker I meanhe, he didn't win.
Oh my God, we had to go intolike there was the first round
of voting and then they had todo like a special one a couple
months later because it was likeso close or something, I don't
remember.
I was just really glad that Iwas in the US at the time, as
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opposed to having to like sendmy ballot in because, oh my God,
it was nerve wracking.
But he did lose to RaphaelWarnock, but he never faced any
consequences.
And Trump has never faced anyconsequences for saying these
horrific things and doing thesethings that don't match up with
what people are saying.
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It's like, oh, I support himbecause I'm a Christian.
He is not acting.
That Christian life.
Sending people likedisappearing people, to foreign
prisons is not super Christian.
I'm just putting that out there.
That's not good.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
And even if you don't want to go in the Christian
stance, because these are thesame people that say I love this
country and I stand behind theConstitution, well, that's part
of our bill rights.
That's uh due process.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, yeah, we, we thought about some of this stuff
.
It's the Christians, thoughthey get me Cause it's like you.
You've made this yourpersonality, that you're a
Christian for Trump or aChristian for this person, and
this person is not.
Again, what are you going tosay to your kids?
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How are you going to explain toyour kids that, like, yeah, I
get it that you know he'sactually doing this and this and
this and this and this and thisand this and this and this.
They're all wrong, that you'velearned about in Bible school,
but we still support him becausehe said that he would help us
on this one issue.
Nope, it's the same thing forbusiness owners, a little bit
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less, but still, trump said andthis is like small business
owners, particularly if you wereselling goods Trump said before
he was elected that he wasgoing to tariff the shit out of
everyone.
Trump said before he was electedthat he was going to tariff the
shit out of everyone.
Right, we had this discussion.
This was, this was.
You know, people knew that thiswas a distinct possibility and,
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yes, trump says a lot of thingsthat he doesn't go through with
, like all politicians, but youcan't say like, oh, I didn't
know he was going to put tariffson China.
Yes, you did.
You, 100 percent knew that.
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He said he was going to.
I'm upset, and this is likesmall business owners um,
particularly if you were sellinggoods trump said before he was
elected that he was going totariff the shit out of everyone.
Right, we had this discussion,this was this was.
You know, people knew that thiswas a distinct possibility and,
yes, trump says a lot of thingsthat he doesn't go through with
, like all politicians.
But you can't say like oh, Ididn't know he was going to put
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tariffs on china.
Yes, you did you, you 100 knewthat.
He said he was going to I.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
So I actually made a uh, a tiktok video about that.
Uh, I I said you know, one ofthe things that makes me really
happy is that everybody who issupporting the these tariffs on
on china are now going to bepaying double for the MAGA hats
that they love so much.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
This is true.
This is so true.
That is exactly part of thistoo.
All of your MAGA stuff made inChina.
That does mean that it is goingto be hit with the I don't even
whatever figure I quote rightnow will probably change because
everything's in flux, butwhatever tariff it is, it will
be slapped with that and it'snot going to be.
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Small businesses cannot just,you know, deal with maybe a 10%
tariff.
You can work that out with yoursuppliers and you're like, hey,
I'll take this much, you takethat much.
In that way, like we keep thestuff moving.
But when you what was the mostrecent one he slapped on shine,
it was over a hundred percent147 or 145.
(27:16):
I'm sorry I knew it wassomething horrific.
It's like you can't justswallow that like margins are
not.
Ain't nobody doing that.
Prices will rise, and I knowthat I have definitely seen.
I mean, I'm in europe right nowbut my favorite nail polish
brand is an American one andthey've sent out an email and
they're like we are going tohave to raise prices soon.
(27:37):
I was like, yeah, your costsare going up.
You cannot keep eating.
That Trump said he was going todo this, and so if you are a
small business owner and you'relike I'm going to vote for Trump
because Trump has my bestinterests at heart, trump has
never had your best interests atheart and he has made that
clear.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I'm sorry.
I mean right now.
I'm really feeling theheartbreak of your nail polish.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
You should, you should.
I don't think you understand.
This is the best nail polish.
It's moon cap, by the way.
I mean, you can't see that verygood on camera because I have a
shit camera, but it's.
This is the one I've got onright now, the the velociraptor
one.
It's.
It's good nail polish.
Okay, I need you, hey.
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Hey, this is my little treat tomyself.
It's how I get through the day.
All right, the world's fallingapart around us, but I have
pretty nails.
Treat to myself it's how I getthrough the day.
All right, the world's fallingapart around us, but I have
pretty nails.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Okay, I'll, I'll give you that.
I mean, molly has her doggybiscuits.
I get her through the day.
You can have your nail polish.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Exactly that's.
That's why I mean I'll stillbuy their stuff, but like it
does potentially mean.
But like it does potentiallymean, depending on how much it
goes up, I may be able to buyless of it, and that means if
I'm buying less, other peopleare buying less, which is bad
for their business.
It's bad for the whole economy.
Oh my God.
So yeah, again, those twospecific groups, the Christians
(29:16):
and the small business ownerswho are like Trump is our Lord
and Savior Cybertruck syndromethat is what they suffer from.
I have a third example for youto help you create your
definition in mind, and becauseI am like a pigeon, I will shit
on everyone equally.
The third example is the topdemocrats who let biden make it
to that first debate.
(29:37):
You saw that debate, oh, withtrump back in june the one that
went uh, extremely well yeah,that went so well.
I drank an entire bottle ofwine at two o'clock in the
morning because I was having somuch fun watching it I, I
remember that because rememberwe, we remember we were doing
the texting party.
That's true, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
So I came in a little bit late because I had a client
at the time when it started.
You're so lucky.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
It was horrible.
It was so, so, so horrible.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
But it was like, how did we get to this point?
Like we have a man who'scompletely unqualified to be up
here, who's in no way fit, andyet there are all these people
standing around being like, no,this is fine, this is fine, he
can do great, he's very smart,he's very with it, is he?
He didn't look with it there,like the one time he needed to
(30:32):
be super, super with it, thatman was not.
That is very telling.
If the one time, if you onlyhave to be with it this one
little time and you can't dothat, I am genuinely concerned.
But the fact that we had to getthat far before that came out
and the fact that it was not awow, that debate happened and
(30:54):
people, you know instantly.
It was like you know what.
Something has to change.
It took days.
I don't remember how muchlonger it took after the debate.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
It was a good two weeks.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I think it was.
Yeah, it wasn't again, justlike 24 hours, there was this
whole like battle that was beingdrawn out to be like well,
maybe, maybe, if he just hasanother debate.
No, uh, no more debates, letthe man go.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
I didn't even know that there were people like that
, though I thought thateverybody was pretty much on the
same.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Uh, same uh I thought so too.
At first I was like we all sawthat right, like we were all
just horrified by what we hadseen.
And no, there were people whowere like no, no, it's, it's,
it's okay.
And again, I'm not talkingabout like basic ass people like
you and me, the peasants, I'mtalking.
They were definitely like toplevel people who knew and were
(31:51):
just like no, it's fine, it'sfine, everything's great here.
As the thing is falling down infront of them, it's crumbling
before their very eyes, andthey're like no, it's not, no,
it's not, he can do fine.
Look, he's done great.
Look at him walkingenergetically down this hallway.
He couldn't form a sentence.
(32:14):
He sounded like he'd beenbrought back from the dead.
He cannot be president foranother four years With that.
Those are my three examples ofwhat I think constitutes cyber
truck syndrome.
(32:34):
What do you make of this?
I can also tell you what Ithink first, if that's easier,
if you need time to like reflect.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, let's hear yours.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Okay.
So my take on this is thatthere's the sunk fallacy cost
idea right, where you've putsomething into this and because
you've put so much, you don'twant to back out now, right,
like with gambling, people willget into it where they're like
ah, but I've put this money in,I can't afford to lose and so I
(33:08):
have to keep going.
I think this is a form of that,but it is a belief within that
and is an extreme form of it,because you were being shown
evidence when you're gambling,for instance, and you're like,
oh, I don't know, this is reallybad, but it could get better, I
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could get these things.
There's always that chance inthere that things might change,
and I know the sunk fallacy costis not just for gambling, but
for more stuff within that.
There's still that possibilitythat it could get better.
It could get worse, could getbetter, but that's why you stick
.
Cybertruck syndrome is theextreme version of that.
It's not getting better, itcannot get better, better, it
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cannot get better.
And yet you are stuck in thiswhere you cannot accept a loss.
You're unable to say you knowwhat?
I was wrong.
I believe this, I thought thisno-transcript and so I made a
mistake.
My bad, whatever.
And you step back.
Instead, you just dig in yourheels and you're like no, you're
(34:15):
wrong, I can't be wrong, onlyyou are wrong.
That is my take on what cybertruck syndrome is.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
My kind of take on it is just in general, is it's
cognitive dissonance.
It's basically the idea thatyou hold a certain type of
values and even know thateverything is there in front of
(34:48):
you that you kind of pullyourself away.
We all do it to a degree.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
So, like the long-going joke between you and
I, this time it's going to bedifferent, of course.
You know we've both gotten intoshitty relationships in our
past and we both have said thesame exact thing.
You know we've both gotten intoshitty relationships in our
past and we both have said thesame exact thing that, oh yeah,
(35:18):
I know that this, this and thisare all drawing red flags, but
I'm different, or this is goingto be different Because I'm
special.
So you know, and that's thething is that it is to a
(35:39):
personal degree.
So the thing is is that most ofthe time when we do it, it's
affecting us.
Then we come out of thatrelationship and we're like you
know, like, oh, you know, likethat was a really shit
relationship.
And then when you have friendslike you and I who are very
supportive and say I told you so.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
But only once.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
But only once.
We're nice to each other thatway.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, you have to say it because you have to be like
I didn't fucking tell you.
But I also know that you feelsad right now.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
So it's okay.
So so, yeah, I mean we do it,but it's to a very low degree
and it's only affectingourselves.
However, I think that, like youknow, like with cyber-truck
syndrome, that it is to a muchfuller degree and you know, like
(36:31):
when you were talking about,like the cyber trucks themselves
, like it's, you know, one thingthat I saw pretty recently was
that they, they actually build acommunity around it so I'm not
surprised so you know you'll,you'll see like hundreds of
Cybertrucks coming together andthey all like oh, you know, and
(36:56):
the thing is, is that, okay, I'msure there is some kind of like
secret wave or something likethat?
Because I know, when I drove amotorcycle, if you saw another
motorcycle driving by, you didlike the two fingers, you know,
like hanging down.
I don't know if I'm going toget like killed for that by
other motorcyclists.
I don't know if that's like atop secret thing, but you know,
(37:19):
you see, like you know, spilledthe secret.
And the thing is that one of thebiggest times I got like a
really big joy out of that is Isaw a motorcycle cop and I did
like the two fingers and thenyou know he, he weighed back
with the two fingers.
So I was like, but you knowthat.
(37:42):
And then also like I know, whenI had a Volkswagen bug like in
1966, volkswagen bug, you knowwe would do like the little wave
and everything like that.
I know Jeeps do that and I'msure cyber trucks do that and
and the thing is, is that okay?
So, like, unless you're in amotorcycle club chances are
(38:02):
you're you're not going toventure out and and really build
like a community around justyour motorcycle yeah volkswagen
bugs like, unless you're ahippie, you're really not going
to build like a huge communityjeeps.
I'm sure that there's, there'sjeep things in them, but I mean
(38:24):
you purposely go out to find youknow community uh things that
are revolve around theCybertruck.
So you know just kind of howyou're saying that you're
investing so much of things intoit.
So just how you were sayingabout, like you know, like with
(38:45):
you know the Christians andthings like that, where they
made that their entirepersonality, they invested their
entire life to this, theCybertrucks, where they are
doing the communities andthey're putting so much of their
lives into this and so muchmoney into this that, just as
you said, it becomes like thegambling thing where you just
(39:10):
you want to really hold on tothat.
That, maybe, maybe.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Yeah, maybe it will get better.
It has to get better because Ican't back out now.
I have put too much into thisand people will do it for
relationships, people do it forjobs, like all sorts of things,
and you know, to an extent isalmost kind of like you know us
in the relationship thing it's.
People will do it where they'relike this time I'm special,
(39:36):
this time it'll be different andto a low level.
I think that that is normal andokay, that we as humans kind of
get called up in those littlecycles.
This is just so big and it's soall-consuming too.
This is now so big and it's soall-consuming too.
Is it like this is now yourentire identity?
You are nothing but a cybertruck owner.
(39:58):
You are nothing but a Christian.
For Trump it's.
And you know, I tried, god.
Finding the example about Bidenwas hard.
I'm not going to lie.
I saw a lot more of these onthe right wing side of politics
than I did on the left, foundthat very interesting, but you
(40:18):
know, still I think that theDemocrats who rallied around
Biden were like no, no, no, no,no, it's okay.
I think they do fall into this,because how could you have,
like, seen this man go about hislife and be like yeah, he can
totally beat Trump.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
He's dead.
You reanimated him.
This is something that that, uh, this is my, my theory about it
.
Okay, kind of my my theory kindof goes around.
It is that with biden, a hugemajority of us uh were kind of
on the same page like, dude,just pull the fuck out yeah you
know, there was some people downto the point where, you know,
like I said, I, I I literallythought that everybody was on
(41:05):
the same page, so I wouldn'timagine it being that big of a
group as opposed to christiansfor trump, where, yeah, they,
they really make it known toeverybody.
People who drive cyber trucks,they really make it known, and
I've seen so many likeinstagrams where people are
(41:26):
defending of like you know, likehow this is the greatest thing
in the face of the planet andand just kind of how you were
saying that it's, it's a verymore of a right thing than the
left.
My, my idea and I would love tosee if there's any research into
this is that, as far as theright goes, it's all about a lot
(41:52):
of it comes down to Christiannationalists.
And if you're born into a familywho is very, very conservative
when it comes down to religion,you are being taught at the very
beginning that you don't needproof of something, that you
(42:15):
just go by faith.
And the thing is is that I, youknow, like I said, you know, as
we kind of said before, Iconsider myself a Buddhist, a
atheist, agnostic or whatever,but I think that having faith in
things as a whole is not a badthing.
I think having faith in things,you know there is a part of me
(42:39):
that really wants to believe,like ever since my father passed
away, that he's still heresomehow I think that it gives us
a lot of comfort and everythinglike that of comfort and
everything like that.
But when you rely strictly onfaith and nothing else, that's
(43:00):
where you kind of come up withthese things of, because a lot
of it you know the.
QAnon, there's absolutely nophysical proof.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
You know, they actually think it was like two
different people.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (43:10):
They think it's actually like two different
people.
I read a really great articleon it back in the day I say back
, and it was only a couple yearsago, um, but somebody tracked
that there were there have beensome like changes in stuff and
they they did like a deep diveinto trying to figure out who
was behind it.
And yeah, they're pretty sureit's like two different people
who work together.
Like it wasn't like you know,they were just completely
(43:31):
separate and like somehow camein.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
But but yeah, I you know the whole like pizza gate
thing.
Like you know, there wasabsolutely nothing and people
bought into it and they reactedon that.
And again, you know I am notsaying anything bad about
religion itself.
I think that religion is a verybeautiful thing.
Religion itself, I think thatreligion is a very beautiful
(43:57):
thing when used correctly.
But yeah, if somebody who isextremely religious, that you're
basically taught to only viewthe world through faith and not
any type of science.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
So how would you rate Cybertruck syndrome?
Would you say that this is agreen potato?
It will make you kind of sickif you eat it, but you can just
scrape that part off and you'llbe fine.
Is this a death cap mushroom 5050 chance of killing you,
putting you in a coma even whencooked?
Or is this antifreeze, adelicious but deadly last snack,
(44:30):
especially when mixed with limejello?
With that definition in mind, Iwould.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
I would say that, okay, it is maybe a I I okay, so
I'm gonna, I'm gonna take oneof your your tears that you've
used in the past.
Um, okay, I I think that it isJell-O With.
That was mixed with a spoonthat was left in the antifreeze.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Okay, I still, I need somebody to look up how much
antifreeze it takes To kill aperson.
For us, please, please.
We need this information, butwe can't have it.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Because I think that something like Cybertrucks
themselves like okay, yeah, amassive amount of people are
losing out $100,000, $150,000,but if that's what you want to
spend your money on, fine, gofor it.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Knock yourself out.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
But to some of these other things where it is you
know, trump or Biden, that yourdedication is affecting the
entire United States.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
And the world, and the world, the whole world is
screwed over by that.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
And obviously your nail polish, exactly exactly,
it's the most important thing ohmy god, it's gonna cost more.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
It's already expensive.
You know how much this littlebottle cost me.
I got it on sale, but would itcost me 15 now?
It'll last for a while, butstill see it.
You're like molly avoidingkisses.
If I like, hold my nail polishup, you're like nope, nope, not
looking at it, not looking at it.
(46:19):
So I would have to agree withyou that this is antifreeze lime
jello territory and I debatedif it really qualified for that,
because you're right.
I mean, these are such highlyspecific groups.
It's not just, you know,christians, because there are
plenty of amazing christians outthere.
It's not even like all trumpvoters.
(46:42):
You know these very specificgroups that are the problem and,
yes, cyber truck owners, likethat's a large part of them.
I think there are some who areout there living their best
cyber truck life and they andthey have one that doesn't have
problems.
Okay, that's great, good, I'mhappy for you.
But I think that these people,because they have normalized
(47:05):
this type of behavior, peoplesee that and it starts to become
more okay to act like this.
People see that and it startsto become more okay to act like
this, to find the thing, to makeit your personality and to be
unable to walk away from it andto admit that you're wrong.
And then, when that carriesover into your daily life and
you cannot admit any fault orany problems, you can't like
(47:26):
ever be the one who loses.
That's toxic as fuck.
Yeah.
To have that type of personwho's just like I can't admit
that I made a mistake, like Iwill make no mistakes.
Nothing is ever wrong.
Like.
Those type of people are notfun to be around.
We've all met them yeah but Ithink that this normalizes that
(47:49):
behavior and people may notnecessarily realize that on the
surface, and so that's whatmakes it lime, lime jello and
lime jello with antifreeze.
About this, I think it's morethan the spoon.
I I think this is like a properone, because even though
they're these very small groups,it has such an outsized effect
on everything else, because youdriving a crap cyber truck
(48:13):
actually endangers me.
If your windshield wipers arenot working and you can't see it
if your bumper falls off, ifyou're just having truck
problems and you're focused ontrying to figure out, why are
these lights flashing at me,whether this or that that
affects my safety on the road.
You think it's like, oh, it'sjust me.
(48:33):
No, it's, it's all of us.
If you spin out in traffic,we're all.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Oh yeah, you know what I?
Speaker 1 (48:40):
I am gonna uh bump it out to like flat out for
avery's we just like, splurgedit in because we pour it in,
it's a liquid.
Pour it in, it's a liquid.
So once again putting out thecall for anyone who would like
to look up how much antifreezeyou would need to add lime jello
(49:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Christopher Patchett, LCSW.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Now, normally I would start off an episode that's
about a certain topic by askingyou if you've heard of this
before, or then maybe goingahead and reading you the
example.
But you haven't heard of thisphrase before Cybertruck
Syndrome and I know you haven'tbecause my dad came up with this
(00:51):
a couple of weeks ago.
This is fresh off the press, soI'm going to give you a couple
of examples of what I think makeup Cybertruck syndrome.
Then together we can come upwith a definition of what this
(01:14):
is.
Okay, Sound good.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Let's hear it.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
All right.
Example one, which is where thename comes from, is Cybertrucks
and Cybertruck ownersspecifically.
So I'm not talking about Teslasin general, this is just the
Cybertrucks, because I know, Iknow you have seen the videos of
(01:38):
these things just breaking downconstantly.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You know it's funny because I didn't even know that
there were other companies thatmade cyber trucks like
cyberspace trucks, you mean nono, this is the cyber truck made
by tesla yeah yeah I I, becauseI thought that you said we're
not just just talking abouttesla ah, no, sorry.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I mean we're not talking about like tesla cars in
general, like not the wholerange of cars, just just the
cyber trucks okay, okay yeah, soyou have seen the videos of the
cyber trucks breaking down yesyes, I know you have enjoyed
those yes, very much so becausewe've, we've seen.
(02:23):
If you've been on the internetfor any amount of time recently,
you've seen them.
You know the guy who tries toand yes, it usually is a guy,
let's be honest tries to driveinto the water and the car
stalls and then it dies and ithas to be pulled out.
Or there's the one where theytry and like drive up a sandy
cliff and you can see the wheelslike turning and it's not going
away.
It has zero traction and theJeep just like up the side of
(02:47):
the cliff past it.
I saw one where the guy triedto like manly drive over this
little picket fence with hiscyber truck and I don't know
what it did to this thing, butit definitely like fucked up the
car.
There was like smoke coming outof part of it Because it looked
like the pickets got likepushed into part of the
(03:07):
underbelly of the thing and itwas like good job.
You may have like completelyruined your hundred thousand
plus dollar vehicle.
Yay, Because you wanted to be amanly man.
I've seen them, you know, tryingto quote unquote off road, ie,
they're driving on like a flatgrassy patch and the car dies.
They get stuck in snow.
(03:28):
They won't open in the snow,they stay locked.
If they are in water, they canlock you in or out of the
vehicle.
These are all things that weknow about them and, yes, those
are just, you know, kind of likepasserby videos where they're
like hey, but we also have likedocumented evidence that this is
(03:51):
like a really poorly builtvehicle.
Right, so, like end of 2019,when they were still like
promoting these things, theywere like bulletproof glass.
Oh my gosh, two windows werebroken during that live demo.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I remember that.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Uh-huh, uh-huh, that was yep, that's where it all
started and it just wentdownhill.
Then in mid 2023, I'm skippingover because some people if you
look up like Cybertruck problems, they're like, oh, it was
really delayed.
A lot of things are delayed.
I'm not, I'm not counting thatagainst them, but it finally
rolls out mid-2023.
We realize that the front andback doors aren't properly
(04:28):
aligned the way they should beand I was like we probably
should have fixed that.
2024 was a bad year for thecyber truck.
It was recalled along withother Tesla vehicles because the
indicator font size for somereally important buttons was too
small and obviously that couldcause an accident.
(04:48):
If you're like what is writtenthere, you know you kind of want
to be able to see what it says.
Very fixable problem.
But they had to be recalledbecause of that.
Users began to spot rust ontheir vehicles despite the fact
that they were stainless steel.
There were users who werereporting that they were getting
these like multiple flashingerror messages, like critical
(05:11):
system errors, and it wouldbreak the car sometimes.
It was documented evidence ofpeople having to go in and be
like my car died and theCybertruck place is kind of like
sucks to suck man.
We had the cyber guillotine.
The anti-pinch sensors eitherare non-existent or like really,
(05:36):
really bad.
So watch those fingies as thedoors close because they will
not like stop and bounce backlike they're supposed to.
That's really fun.
We also had accelerator pedalsthat were getting stuck because
of lubrication issues thatactually in April of 2024, they
all had to be recalled becauseof that.
(05:57):
That was such a big issue thatthey had to recall all of them.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I can kind of see that being a um not a good thing
to get your accelerator stuckyeah, yeah that that could cause
some problems.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
But then, june 2024, we have the fourth cyber truck
recall.
Already these things have beenonly been out for a couple of
years and this is like fourthrecall and that was for its most
recent one.
I'm sure you heard about this.
The front trim piece is fallingoff.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, they just weren't properly attached.
Oh, and also the frontwindshield wipers were failing
Really important things ifyou're driving a car, really
important things if you'redriving a car.
And also things that, like, wehave known how to do for decades
in some cases.
This is not like super newtechnology where you're like, oh
(06:54):
, we're still working out thekinks.
We're still like, how shouldthis work?
And so you, you would be alittle bit more open to the idea
of, like, there will be somebugs along the way.
No, we know how to put frontwindshield wipers on.
I hope this, this should becommon knowledge for building a
vehicle.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And yet the thing is, I've and I've I've seen a lot
of other things where the sidetrimming coming off because of
the glue that's not even likewelded on or is not screwed on,
it's just basically Tesla glueand then also the hitch on the
(07:38):
back.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
It works great for a short amount of time if you're
carrying, like you know, like um, a heavy load, basically you're
counting down the miles to it,to you know coming off I mean
again, I've seen videos of themtrying to do like man-to-man
truck things because they're theowners are convinced that this
(08:02):
is like the manliest truck thatyou can own.
It's definitely a truck.
It's not a sedan, even thoughit technically kind of is, and
they try and make it do truckstuff and it's just not meant
for that.
They're not meant to gooff-road.
They can't handle it.
I've seen them have their backbumpers pulled off.
At this point I honestly wonderhow there are any Cybertrucks
left, because I've just seen somany videos of them getting like
(08:29):
, destroying themselves overdumb shit.
Like you get into a pulling warwith like a Toyota or something
and that little thing just likeand like pulls off your entire
back bumper.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
So okay.
So I, I gotta ask you let let'ssee how, how country you are.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeehaw.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Have you ever heard of the thing called mudding?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
That sounds pretty familiar yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So when I first moved out here to West Virginia I was
talking to somebody and heasked me about like oh, have I
ever done mudding?
And I was like I don't knowwhat the fuck that is.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
You are such a little city boy, I am.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I will proudly admit that I am city as city comes,
and so he's telling me aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
They take quads out into the middle of like nowhere
yeah you just ring ring middleof like nowhere and through the
mud.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
And then they'll also do that with like four by four
trucks, and so, yeah, I mean,concerning the fact that I'm in
a town of 7,000 people, youhaven't gone mudding yet you
were missing out, maybe waituntil it's a little bit warmer.
Then you can go and yeah, I, Igrew up in the city, so I mean
(09:54):
you know there's not a lot ofplaces to mud at.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I guess no, philly doesn't have room for that right
but yeah, I mean you, youcouldn't do that with a cyber
truck, it would be dead.
Yeah, like the chances of itbreaking while driving it like
that in those conditions isincredibly, incredibly high.
There's also the fact they'rejust really really expensive
vehicles, so when stuff breaksand goes wrong, you have limited
(10:17):
recourse and it will cost youthousands of dollars to fix.
Why would you do this?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Meanwhile you'll still see pickup trucks from the
80s still on the road.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, little white Chevys, yep, they're still going
.
But that's what I think putsthe Cybertruck on this list and
why it got this name is that,despite all of that, this is
objectively a really poorlybuilt vehicle.
It has not been well thoughtout.
(10:50):
It was clearly just like theyslammed something together to
get it down that assembly line,like realize there was a problem
and someone's like whatever,just put some extra fucking glue
on there and keep it moving.
We have got to get this thingout.
It is very clear that that iswhat happened here.
We did not think stuff through.
We tried to reinvent the wheelto make it, you know, cool and
(11:11):
manly, and that did not work.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
And yet I, I, so I'm gonna stop you before, because
you keep on using the word we,um, they, they did not think
this all the way through I know,I know it's just a verbal tick.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
That's true, they didn't, and that's why they are
now stuck with these things andthey are the ones who are
obsessed with it.
And you can, if you go onreddit, you will find people
like, sitting there in theirbroken down truck talking about
this, being like yeah, I droveover a little rock and this
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happened, it fell apart andwhatever, but fuck that Honda
who flicked me off while I wasdriving down the road.
They're an asshole and, anyways, they're not cool because
they're in a Honda.
I've got a Cybertruck, sweetie,you're the idiot here,
unfortunately.
But they are so dead set onnope, this is a great vehicle,
(12:16):
this is a perfect vehicle.
It's very manly, it's very cool, it's very stylish, it's very
edgy.
Like me, I am all of thosethings and they have wrapped
themselves up around it andthey're like it's become their
personality and so they cannotaccept any critique of it.
There's no way to be like oh, Ithink it's really cool, but you
(12:40):
know, yes, there's someproblems.
Nope, no problems.
It literally died on me.
I'm out 100,000, $150,000because this thing bricked on me
, but this is still the bestvehicle ever.
So that is example one ofCybertruck syndrome, just to get
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your mind thinking.
Example two, and again these areall very specific ones, so you
can help me come up with thedefinition at the end.
Example two would be christiansand small business owners who
support trump or other reallyfar right republican candidates.
Again, very, very, veryspecifically these ones.
(13:24):
Now, full disclosure the onlytime I have ever read the Bible
was as part of a universityclass.
It's the only time.
Do we have them in my house?
Yes, have I ever felt the needto pick one up?
No, it can stay that way.
So I was not raised Christian.
(13:44):
I certainly am not.
Now you are not Christian.
So are we qualified to talkabout what Christianity is
Actually?
Yes, in this case, I think weare.
I think we are more qualified.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You know, the funny thing is, I do have a Bible in
my house too.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I don't even have one where I live here, but my dad
has a whole bunch.
I don't even have one where Ilive here, but my dad has a
whole bunch.
So we have some people that we,we know, that are, you know,
near where my parents are, andthey are very openly super
conservative Christian.
Their kids go to Christianprivate schools.
(14:23):
They have made it known thatthis is what they believe.
It comes up in conversation,not appeared in their yard, but
a sign supporting HerschelWalker.
Now, you may have heard alittle bit about this.
(14:53):
Probably not a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I've heard plenty.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Oh, yeah, yeah, good, good, so you know who Herschel
Walker is.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Walker is, and one of the reasons why I did hear
playing is because he was afootball player for the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Oh, I never realized he was up with the Eagles, okay,
yeah, yeah, for those of youwho were lucky enough not to
hear about this man, so inGeorgia a couple of years ago
there was a Senate race and itwas.
Georgia magically has twoDemocratic senators, oh my God.
And one of them was up forreelection and he is a Black man
(15:34):
, raphael Warnock.
And I legitimately thinkRepublicans were just like we
can game this system too.
We're going to get ourselves aBlack man so that people can't
be like, oh, you're just votingbecause of this way.
So they found old HerschelWalker, former football player,
pretty beloved in Georgia.
Apparently I had never heardhis name before, probably
(15:57):
because my family has nothing todo with football, but a lot of
people knew of him, certainlybefore he said like I'm running
to be senator.
As the race progressed, therewere two women who came forward,
and these are accusations.
One of them produced a fairamount of evidence, the other
(16:17):
one a little bit less, sayingthat he had pressured them to
have abortions.
So one of them was anex-girlfriend and another one
said that she had been seeinghim while he was married, oh God
, and that she had pressured himto have an abortion and the one
who was the ex-girlfriend.
If I remember correctly, sheproduced like a card that he
sent her that basically was likesorry, and he also had like
(16:39):
sent her a check to help pay forit.
Again, these are accusations.
However, if you were somebodywho is against abortion, like
morally, you're like this iswrong in every sense, like
abortion should not be legal Iwould be concerned if my
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candidate, like, if that was me,I would be concerned if my
candidate had these accusationsleveled against him.
At the very least, like youlook was me, I would be
concerned if my candidate hadthese accusations leveled
against him.
At the very least, like youlook into that right, like you
don't just you don't have tobelieve everything that is said.
You know we should make surethat these are not false
accusations, but you also shouldat least look into it and be
like whoa, hey, what happenedhere?
We need to know.
And people didn't.
(17:23):
They were just like nope, it'sfake.
Know?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
And people didn't they were just like nope, it's
fake.
You sure about that?
You sure?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
about that Because I'm not.
Yeah, I just.
I looked at them.
I was like you're not evenquietly supporting.
You literally have a sign forthis bastard in your yard and
you send your children toChristian school.
Make it make sense.
When your kids ask you aboutthis person, how are you going
(17:55):
to explain why are we voting forhim, despite the fact that
there's, you know, potentiallythis major issue there?
How are you going to explain tothem that you're voting for the
guy who said grab her by thepussy, who has been married
multiple times, who routinelydoes nasty things to women and,
like, says nasty things aboutwomen?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
With Walker, the, the .
The main thing is, though, isthat, on top of that, this was,
you know, two years ago, whererodney uh, wade, uh was just all
that, that.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
That just happened this was before that happened,
22.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yes, so there was that threat, yeah, but that was
a huge.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I mean it still is, but at that time that was the
probably number one issue thatconservatives were kind of going
with is you know, abortion yeah, conservatives have always
loved to hate on and yet I findit interesting the number of
conservatives who informationcomes out about them, like
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having mistresses and secretchildren on the side, or
pressuring their, their mistress, girlfriend, whatever to have
an abortion, paying, paying forsome woman that they slept with,
had a one night stand with, tohave an abortion and then they
turn around and they tell peoplethey're like, yeah, abortion is
bad, abortion is evil.
It wasn't last night.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
And it should be outlawed.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, premarital sex was apparently okay, then
Cheating on your wife apparentlyis okay when you do it.
It is horrifying the number ofwith Republicans who do this,
and specifically Republicans.
I do not see it to the samelevel with Democrats.
There are some, of course,there are, people are shit and
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politicians are always slimy butI do not see it like to that
level that I see it withRepublicans.
So I'm like, if you're going tosit here and be like I vote,
you know I'm a Christian and I'mvoting for the Christian person
.
Are they?
Are they Christian Again?
Are they up actually upholdingwhat christianity should be,
like those tenants that yousupposedly believe in?
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Are they actually followingthrough with them?
Because I don't think they areso here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Is that, do you remember the name um al franken?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
al franken.
That sounds familiar.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
So he was a Democrat senator that he did like a USO
thing overseas and on the wayback there was an actress who
fell asleep and he stood over.
(20:55):
Her had some pictures of him.
Like you know, like ha ha ha,I'm about to grope her type
thing ew do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
no, I don't remember any of this.
The name sounds familiar,though.
Did he not get maybe brought uplike during some senate hearing
or something?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I don't remember that I mean like more recently.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Whatever, whatever this case was with him.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
So in 2017, he did a USO tour and he did it with.
It was a radio broadcaster, amodel, Leanne Tweeden, and I
don't recognize her name.
Yeah, I never heard of hereither.
Radio broadcaster and model,leanne Tweeden I don't recognize
her name.
Yeah, I never heard of hereither.
So this was back in 2006.
(21:42):
So it came out in 2017, butduring a tour in 2006, so that's
11 years beforehand.
He had a picture that wasphotographs of him holding his
hands above her breast while shewas sleeping.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Ew.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
He played it off that you know.
Oh, the picture is obviously ajoke.
I'm not groping her, but thething is is that you had a lot
of people, like even civilianskind of you know, saying like,
hey, that's totally fucked up.
That's the same reaction as you.
You know there was a lot ofpressure on him to leave the
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Senate.
So I mean, you know that's.
It amazes me sometimes that,like that's something that comes
out and you know people areable to say, oh well, that was a
long time ago, this was 11years ago.
And people are still like, yeah, you were 50-something then,
(22:46):
you should have known better.
This isn't like whoops, I was 20years old and I was stupid.
No, you were 50 years old andyou thought this was funny.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
But see, at least he got in trouble for it.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Because these people are not getting in trouble for
it, and that's the issue here.
Is that Herschel Walker I meanhe, he didn't win.
Oh my God, we had to go intolike there was the first round
of voting and then they had todo like a special one a couple
months later because it was likeso close or something, I don't
remember.
I was just really glad that Iwas in the US at the time, as
(23:23):
opposed to having to like sendmy ballot in because, oh my God,
it was nerve wracking.
But he did lose to RaphaelWarnock, but he never faced any
consequences.
And Trump has never faced anyconsequences for saying these
horrific things and doing thesethings that don't match up with
what people are saying.
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It's like, oh, I support himbecause I'm a Christian.
He is not acting.
That Christian life.
Sending people likedisappearing people, to foreign
prisons is not super Christian.
I'm just putting that out there.
That's not good.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
And even if you don't want to go in the Christian
stance, because these are thesame people that say I love this
country and I stand behind theConstitution, well, that's part
of our bill rights.
That's uh due process.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, yeah, we, we thought about some of this stuff
.
It's the Christians, thoughthey get me Cause it's like you.
You've made this yourpersonality, that you're a
Christian for Trump or aChristian for this person, and
this person is not.
Again, what are you going tosay to your kids?
(24:39):
How are you going to explain toyour kids that, like, yeah, I
get it that you know he'sactually doing this and this and
this and this and this and thisand this and this and this.
They're all wrong, that you'velearned about in Bible school,
but we still support him becausehe said that he would help us
on this one issue.
Nope, it's the same thing forbusiness owners, a little bit
(25:00):
less, but still, trump said andthis is like small business
owners, particularly if you wereselling goods Trump said before
he was elected that he wasgoing to tariff the shit out of
everyone.
Trump said before he was electedthat he was going to tariff the
shit out of everyone.
Right, we had this discussion.
This was, this was.
You know, people knew that thiswas a distinct possibility and,
(25:21):
yes, trump says a lot of thingsthat he doesn't go through with
, like all politicians, but youcan't say like, oh, I didn't
know he was going to put tariffson China.
Yes, you did.
You, 100 percent knew that.
(25:41):
He said he was going to.
I'm upset, and this is likesmall business owners um,
particularly if you were sellinggoods trump said before he was
elected that he was going totariff the shit out of everyone.
Right, we had this discussion,this was this was.
You know, people knew that thiswas a distinct possibility and,
yes, trump says a lot of thingsthat he doesn't go through with
, like all politicians.
But you can't say like oh, Ididn't know he was going to put
(26:04):
tariffs on china.
Yes, you did you, you 100 knewthat.
He said he was going to I.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
So I actually made a uh, a tiktok video about that.
Uh, I I said you know, one ofthe things that makes me really
happy is that everybody who issupporting the these tariffs on
on china are now going to bepaying double for the MAGA hats
that they love so much.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
This is true.
This is so true.
That is exactly part of thistoo.
All of your MAGA stuff made inChina.
That does mean that it is goingto be hit with the I don't even
whatever figure I quote rightnow will probably change because
everything's in flux, butwhatever tariff it is, it will
be slapped with that and it'snot going to be.
(26:55):
Small businesses cannot just,you know, deal with maybe a 10%
tariff.
You can work that out with yoursuppliers and you're like, hey,
I'll take this much, you takethat much.
In that way, like we keep thestuff moving.
But when you what was the mostrecent one he slapped on shine,
it was over a hundred percent147 or 145.
(27:16):
I'm sorry I knew it wassomething horrific.
It's like you can't justswallow that like margins are
not.
Ain't nobody doing that.
Prices will rise, and I knowthat I have definitely seen.
I mean, I'm in europe right nowbut my favorite nail polish
brand is an American one andthey've sent out an email and
they're like we are going tohave to raise prices soon.
(27:37):
I was like, yeah, your costsare going up.
You cannot keep eating.
That Trump said he was going todo this, and so if you are a
small business owner and you'relike I'm going to vote for Trump
because Trump has my bestinterests at heart, trump has
never had your best interests atheart and he has made that
clear.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I'm sorry.
I mean right now.
I'm really feeling theheartbreak of your nail polish.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
You should, you should.
I don't think you understand.
This is the best nail polish.
It's moon cap, by the way.
I mean, you can't see that verygood on camera because I have a
shit camera, but it's.
This is the one I've got onright now, the the velociraptor
one.
It's.
It's good nail polish.
Okay, I need you, hey.
(28:25):
Hey, this is my little treat tomyself.
It's how I get through the day.
All right, the world's fallingapart around us, but I have
pretty nails.
Treat to myself it's how I getthrough the day.
All right, the world's fallingapart around us, but I have
pretty nails.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Okay, I'll, I'll give you that.
I mean, molly has her doggybiscuits.
I get her through the day.
You can have your nail polish.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Exactly that's.
That's why I mean I'll stillbuy their stuff, but like it
does potentially mean.
But like it does potentiallymean, depending on how much it
goes up, I may be able to buyless of it, and that means if
I'm buying less, other peopleare buying less, which is bad
for their business.
It's bad for the whole economy.
Oh my God.
So yeah, again, those twospecific groups, the Christians
(29:16):
and the small business ownerswho are like Trump is our Lord
and Savior Cybertruck syndromethat is what they suffer from.
I have a third example for youto help you create your
definition in mind, and becauseI am like a pigeon, I will shit
on everyone equally.
The third example is the topdemocrats who let biden make it
to that first debate.
(29:37):
You saw that debate, oh, withtrump back in june the one that
went uh, extremely well yeah,that went so well.
I drank an entire bottle ofwine at two o'clock in the
morning because I was having somuch fun watching it I, I
remember that because rememberwe, we remember we were doing
the texting party.
That's true, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
So I came in a little bit late because I had a client
at the time when it started.
You're so lucky.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
It was horrible.
It was so, so, so horrible.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
But it was like, how did we get to this point?
Like we have a man who'scompletely unqualified to be up
here, who's in no way fit, andyet there are all these people
standing around being like, no,this is fine, this is fine, he
can do great, he's very smart,he's very with it, is he?
He didn't look with it there,like the one time he needed to
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be super, super with it, thatman was not.
That is very telling.
If the one time, if you onlyhave to be with it this one
little time and you can't dothat, I am genuinely concerned.
But the fact that we had to getthat far before that came out
and the fact that it was not awow, that debate happened and
(30:54):
people, you know instantly.
It was like you know what.
Something has to change.
It took days.
I don't remember how muchlonger it took after the debate.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
It was a good two weeks.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I think it was.
Yeah, it wasn't again, justlike 24 hours, there was this
whole like battle that was beingdrawn out to be like well,
maybe, maybe, if he just hasanother debate.
No, uh, no more debates, letthe man go.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
I didn't even know that there were people like that
, though I thought thateverybody was pretty much on the
same.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Uh, same uh I thought so too.
At first I was like we all sawthat right, like we were all
just horrified by what we hadseen.
And no, there were people whowere like no, no, it's, it's,
it's okay.
And again, I'm not talkingabout like basic ass people like
you and me, the peasants, I'mtalking.
They were definitely like toplevel people who knew and were
(31:51):
just like no, it's fine, it'sfine, everything's great here.
As the thing is falling down infront of them, it's crumbling
before their very eyes, andthey're like no, it's not, no,
it's not, he can do fine.
Look, he's done great.
Look at him walkingenergetically down this hallway.
He couldn't form a sentence.
(32:14):
He sounded like he'd beenbrought back from the dead.
He cannot be president foranother four years With that.
Those are my three examples ofwhat I think constitutes cyber
truck syndrome.
(32:34):
What do you make of this?
I can also tell you what Ithink first, if that's easier,
if you need time to like reflect.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, let's hear yours.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Okay.
So my take on this is thatthere's the sunk fallacy cost
idea right, where you've putsomething into this and because
you've put so much, you don'twant to back out now, right,
like with gambling, people willget into it where they're like
ah, but I've put this money in,I can't afford to lose and so I
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have to keep going.
I think this is a form of that,but it is a belief within that
and is an extreme form of it,because you were being shown
evidence when you're gambling,for instance, and you're like,
oh, I don't know, this is reallybad, but it could get better, I
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could get these things.
There's always that chance inthere that things might change,
and I know the sunk fallacy costis not just for gambling, but
for more stuff within that.
There's still that possibilitythat it could get better.
It could get worse, could getbetter, but that's why you stick
.
Cybertruck syndrome is theextreme version of that.
It's not getting better, itcannot get better, better, it
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cannot get better.
And yet you are stuck in thiswhere you cannot accept a loss.
You're unable to say you knowwhat?
I was wrong.
I believe this, I thought thisno-transcript and so I made a
mistake.
My bad, whatever.
And you step back.
Instead, you just dig in yourheels and you're like no, you're
(34:15):
wrong, I can't be wrong, onlyyou are wrong.
That is my take on what cybertruck syndrome is.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
My kind of take on it is just in general, is it's
cognitive dissonance.
It's basically the idea thatyou hold a certain type of
values and even know thateverything is there in front of
(34:48):
you that you kind of pullyourself away.
We all do it to a degree.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
So, like the long-going joke between you and
I, this time it's going to bedifferent, of course.
You know we've both gotten intoshitty relationships in our
past and we both have said thesame exact thing.
You know we've both gotten intoshitty relationships in our
past and we both have said thesame exact thing that, oh yeah,
(35:18):
I know that this, this and thisare all drawing red flags, but
I'm different, or this is goingto be different Because I'm
special.
So you know, and that's thething is that it is to a
(35:39):
personal degree.
So the thing is is that most ofthe time when we do it, it's
affecting us.
Then we come out of thatrelationship and we're like you
know, like, oh, you know, likethat was a really shit
relationship.
And then when you have friendslike you and I who are very
supportive and say I told you so.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
But only once.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
But only once.
We're nice to each other thatway.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, you have to say it because you have to be like
I didn't fucking tell you.
But I also know that you feelsad right now.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
So it's okay.
So so, yeah, I mean we do it,but it's to a very low degree
and it's only affectingourselves.
However, I think that, like youknow, like with cyber-truck
syndrome, that it is to a muchfuller degree and you know, like
(36:31):
when you were talking about,like the cyber trucks themselves
, like it's, you know, one thingthat I saw pretty recently was
that they, they actually build acommunity around it so I'm not
surprised so you know you'll,you'll see like hundreds of
Cybertrucks coming together andthey all like oh, you know, and
(36:56):
the thing is, is that, okay, I'msure there is some kind of like
secret wave or something likethat?
Because I know, when I drove amotorcycle, if you saw another
motorcycle driving by, you didlike the two fingers, you know,
like hanging down.
I don't know if I'm going toget like killed for that by
other motorcyclists.
I don't know if that's like atop secret thing, but you know,
(37:19):
you see, like you know, spilledthe secret.
And the thing is that one of thebiggest times I got like a
really big joy out of that is Isaw a motorcycle cop and I did
like the two fingers and thenyou know he, he weighed back
with the two fingers.
So I was like, but you knowthat.
(37:42):
And then also like I know, whenI had a Volkswagen bug like in
1966, volkswagen bug, you knowwe would do like the little wave
and everything like that.
I know Jeeps do that and I'msure cyber trucks do that and
and the thing is, is that okay?
So, like, unless you're in amotorcycle club chances are
(38:02):
you're you're not going toventure out and and really build
like a community around justyour motorcycle yeah volkswagen
bugs like, unless you're ahippie, you're really not going
to build like a huge communityjeeps.
I'm sure that there's, there'sjeep things in them, but I mean
(38:24):
you purposely go out to find youknow community uh things that
are revolve around theCybertruck.
So you know just kind of howyou're saying that you're
investing so much of things intoit.
So just how you were sayingabout, like you know, like with
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you know the Christians andthings like that, where they
made that their entirepersonality, they invested their
entire life to this, theCybertrucks, where they are
doing the communities andthey're putting so much of their
lives into this and so muchmoney into this that, just as
you said, it becomes like thegambling thing where you just
(39:10):
you want to really hold on tothat.
That, maybe, maybe.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Yeah, maybe it will get better.
It has to get better because Ican't back out now.
I have put too much into thisand people will do it for
relationships, people do it forjobs, like all sorts of things,
and you know, to an extent isalmost kind of like you know us
in the relationship thing it's.
People will do it where they'relike this time I'm special,
(39:36):
this time it'll be different andto a low level.
I think that that is normal andokay, that we as humans kind of
get called up in those littlecycles.
This is just so big and it's soall-consuming too.
This is now so big and it's soall-consuming too.
Is it like this is now yourentire identity?
You are nothing but a cybertruck owner.
(39:58):
You are nothing but a Christian.
For Trump it's.
And you know, I tried, god.
Finding the example about Bidenwas hard.
I'm not going to lie.
I saw a lot more of these onthe right wing side of politics
than I did on the left, foundthat very interesting, but you
(40:18):
know, still I think that theDemocrats who rallied around
Biden were like no, no, no, no,no, it's okay.
I think they do fall into this,because how could you have,
like, seen this man go about hislife and be like yeah, he can
totally beat Trump.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
He's dead.
You reanimated him.
This is something that that, uh, this is my, my theory about it
.
Okay, kind of my my theory kindof goes around.
It is that with biden, a hugemajority of us uh were kind of
on the same page like, dude,just pull the fuck out yeah you
know, there was some people downto the point where, you know,
like I said, I, I I literallythought that everybody was on
(41:05):
the same page, so I wouldn'timagine it being that big of a
group as opposed to christiansfor trump, where, yeah, they,
they really make it known toeverybody.
People who drive cyber trucks,they really make it known, and
I've seen so many likeinstagrams where people are
(41:26):
defending of like you know, likehow this is the greatest thing
in the face of the planet andand just kind of how you were
saying that it's, it's a verymore of a right thing than the
left.
My, my idea and I would love tosee if there's any research into
this is that, as far as theright goes, it's all about a lot
(41:52):
of it comes down to Christiannationalists.
And if you're born into a familywho is very, very conservative
when it comes down to religion,you are being taught at the very
beginning that you don't needproof of something, that you
(42:15):
just go by faith.
And the thing is is that I, youknow, like I said, you know, as
we kind of said before, Iconsider myself a Buddhist, a
atheist, agnostic or whatever,but I think that having faith in
things as a whole is not a badthing.
I think having faith in things,you know there is a part of me
(42:39):
that really wants to believe,like ever since my father passed
away, that he's still heresomehow I think that it gives us
a lot of comfort and everythinglike that of comfort and
everything like that.
But when you rely strictly onfaith and nothing else, that's
(43:00):
where you kind of come up withthese things of, because a lot
of it you know the.
QAnon, there's absolutely nophysical proof.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
You know, they actually think it was like two
different people.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (43:10):
They think it's actually like two different
people.
I read a really great articleon it back in the day I say back
, and it was only a couple yearsago, um, but somebody tracked
that there were there have beensome like changes in stuff and
they they did like a deep diveinto trying to figure out who
was behind it.
And yeah, they're pretty sureit's like two different people
who work together.
Like it wasn't like you know,they were just completely
(43:31):
separate and like somehow camein.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
But but yeah, I you know the whole like pizza gate
thing.
Like you know, there wasabsolutely nothing and people
bought into it and they reactedon that.
And again, you know I am notsaying anything bad about
religion itself.
I think that religion is a verybeautiful thing.
Religion itself, I think thatreligion is a very beautiful
(43:57):
thing when used correctly.
But yeah, if somebody who isextremely religious, that you're
basically taught to only viewthe world through faith and not
any type of science.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
So how would you rate Cybertruck syndrome?
Would you say that this is agreen potato?
It will make you kind of sickif you eat it, but you can just
scrape that part off and you'llbe fine.
Is this a death cap mushroom 5050 chance of killing you,
putting you in a coma even whencooked?
Or is this antifreeze, adelicious but deadly last snack,
(44:30):
especially when mixed with limejello?
With that definition in mind, Iwould.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
I would say that, okay, it is maybe a I I okay, so
I'm gonna, I'm gonna take oneof your your tears that you've
used in the past.
Um, okay, I I think that it isJell-O With.
That was mixed with a spoonthat was left in the antifreeze.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Okay, I still, I need somebody to look up how much
antifreeze it takes To kill aperson.
For us, please, please.
We need this information, butwe can't have it.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Because I think that something like Cybertrucks
themselves like okay, yeah, amassive amount of people are
losing out $100,000, $150,000,but if that's what you want to
spend your money on, fine, gofor it.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Knock yourself out.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
But to some of these other things where it is you
know, trump or Biden, that yourdedication is affecting the
entire United States.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
And the world, and the world, the whole world is
screwed over by that.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
And obviously your nail polish, exactly exactly,
it's the most important thing ohmy god, it's gonna cost more.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
It's already expensive.
You know how much this littlebottle cost me.
I got it on sale, but would itcost me 15 now?
It'll last for a while, butstill see it.
You're like molly avoidingkisses.
If I like, hold my nail polishup, you're like nope, nope, not
looking at it, not looking at it.
(46:19):
So I would have to agree withyou that this is antifreeze lime
jello territory and I debatedif it really qualified for that,
because you're right.
I mean, these are such highlyspecific groups.
It's not just, you know,christians, because there are
plenty of amazing christians outthere.
It's not even like all trumpvoters.
(46:42):
You know these very specificgroups that are the problem and,
yes, cyber truck owners, likethat's a large part of them.
I think there are some who areout there living their best
cyber truck life and they andthey have one that doesn't have
problems.
Okay, that's great, good, I'mhappy for you.
But I think that these people,because they have normalized
(47:05):
this type of behavior, peoplesee that and it starts to become
more okay to act like this.
People see that and it startsto become more okay to act like
this, to find the thing, to makeit your personality and to be
unable to walk away from it andto admit that you're wrong.
And then, when that carriesover into your daily life and
you cannot admit any fault orany problems, you can't like
(47:26):
ever be the one who loses.
That's toxic as fuck.
Yeah.
To have that type of personwho's just like I can't admit
that I made a mistake, like Iwill make no mistakes.
Nothing is ever wrong.
Like.
Those type of people are notfun to be around.
We've all met them yeah but Ithink that this normalizes that
(47:49):
behavior and people may notnecessarily realize that on the
surface, and so that's whatmakes it lime, lime jello and
lime jello with antifreeze.
About this, I think it's morethan the spoon.
I I think this is like a properone, because even though
they're these very small groups,it has such an outsized effect
on everything else, because youdriving a crap cyber truck
(48:13):
actually endangers me.
If your windshield wipers arenot working and you can't see it
if your bumper falls off, ifyou're just having truck
problems and you're focused ontrying to figure out, why are
these lights flashing at me,whether this or that that
affects my safety on the road.
You think it's like, oh, it'sjust me.
(48:33):
No, it's, it's all of us.
If you spin out in traffic,we're all.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Oh yeah, you know what I?
Speaker 1 (48:40):
I am gonna uh bump it out to like flat out for
avery's we just like, splurgedit in because we pour it in,
it's a liquid.
Pour it in, it's a liquid.
So once again putting out thecall for anyone who would like
to look up how much antifreezeyou would need to add lime jello
(49:00):
to kill a person.
If you would like to look upthis information and let us know
, we would be forever grateful.
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