December 17, 2024 • 49 mins
How far would you go for online fame? In our latest episode of the Toxic Cooking Show, Lindsay McClain and Christopher Patchet, LCSW, LICSW, expose the shocking ethical breaches of momfluencers and family vloggers. Tune in as we dissect the unsettling practices of these online personalities who prioritize content creation over their children’s well-being. From the harrowing tales of the DaddyOFive YouTube channel, where prank videos crossed the line into abuse, to the disturbing cases of Ruby Frankie and Michelle Hobson, we unveil the dark facets of their pursuit for internet stardom.
The episode shifts focus to the harsh realities faced by children in the world of influencer culture, highlighting cases where the line between entertainment and abuse is tragically blurred. We discuss how these influencers have manipulated their platforms, often driven by immense pressure and sometimes religious influences, ultimately jeopardizing their children's safety for the sake of viral success. Ruby Frankie and Michelle Hobson serve as haunting reminders of the dangers lurking within the industry, showing how easily the pursuit of online success can overshadow a child's basic needs and rights.
Engagement is a double-edged sword, and our conversation doesn’t shy away from exploring this paradox. We examine how negative interactions with disliked content can inadvertently amplify its reach. The 'Mr. Beast effect' demonstrates the lengths creators will go for attention, pushing boundaries in ways that might shock you. We urge our audience to be mindful of their online activities, advocating for reporting harmful content rather than contributing to its visibility. Join us in understanding how every click, comment, and share can impact the digital landscape, often in unexpected ways.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hi and welcome to the Toxic Cooking Show, where we
break down toxic people intotheir simplest ingredients.
I'm your host, lindsay McLean,and with me is my fantastic
co-host.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Christopher Patchett, lcsw and then LICSW, depending
on where you're at.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I like how you didn't get messed up over the I, but
it took a couple letters for youto fully realize that you had
made the mistake.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I don't get why they had the I in there, when I would
think that it's already knownwith LCSW that you're
independent.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, I don't see why it needs to be specified that
you're independent here.
That's a weird one.
West Virginia Yee-haw, welcometo the South, baby.
So today we have a superexciting follow-up from last
time.
Ooh la la, don't worry, thereare actually more parts to this,
(01:24):
because this was a rabbit holefrom hell that I went down.
This was supposed to be just twoparts and I was like, oh, I
think I'm going to have to do athird.
So I don't know when that'scoming out, but it will come out
soon.
Just so you know that wehaven't covered everything here.
So last time we were talkingabout momfluencers and kind of
(01:44):
setting the stage there.
But I should add thatmomfluencers, family vloggers
there's a lot, a lot of overlapLike, momfluencers are family
vloggers.
Family vloggers don'tnecessarily have to be women, so
therefore they're notnecessarily momfluencers, but
there's, they usually are, theyusually are.
(02:07):
Unfortunately, I decided thatthis week we're still going to
look at the worst of the worst,like I promised you people going
to jail and we're going to havepeople going to jail, but just
know that there's more to come.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I promised you that people are going to jail.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And damn it, we're going to deliver.
Well, it also feels bad to justdrag it out Like we're going to
keep getting worse and worse.
Each time I was like no, let'sjust hit the really bad stuff.
Good job.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Good times, good times.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Good times.
The obligatory trigger warningis that we aren't gonna be
talking about child abuse, sothat's something that you're not
feeling real comfortable withtoday.
Maybe come back or listen toanother one of our episodes that
doesn't involve that oh, goodtimes.
I know good times yeah, yeah,you have to add that in there.
(03:04):
It's like, oh, it's not gonnabe good, is it so today, of
course, we're looking at the momfluent to his family vloggers
who have crossed that line, andof course, we spoke about last
time the fact that when you arean influencer, at a certain
point, the product that you areselling is yourself, it's your
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lifestyle, and when you are amom fluencer or a family vlogger
, that is going to include yourkids as well hence the whole
point of being a mom uh, yeah, Imean theoretically you could be
a mom fluencer for your pets,but I guess then you'd be
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probably a pet fluencer.
I'm sure that exists.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I don't know, I would not doubt it.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, having kind of run across people who definitely
run Instagram accounts fortheir pets and this, this is
their life.
It's basically like if they hada kid, but this one is just
like a naked cat.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
So I mean that is, that is pathetic, when
somebody's you know lettingtheir pet be a huge part of
their lives.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I mean how dare they?
We would, we would never.
We would never.
Don't tell EP that.
So yeah, you're selling yourkids and their lifestyle and
your parenting style, and theinternet is a hungry, hungry
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place.
It always wants more content,always more.
So you have to keep churningout.
If this is how you are makingyour money, if this is not just
like.
This is something I'mpassionate about, so I like
taking photos and putting it onhere.
You have to be putting outcontent every day.
You really have to be puttingout content multiple times a day
, and so I think that may bepart of what can lead to some of
the more extreme behaviors thatwe'll talk about today and next
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time.
Unfortunately, religion is apart of that.
That's a whole other episode onits own.
To talk about the fundies onInstagram and TikTok, I'm going
to poke one of them today andthat's it, because that's a
whole.
Do you know what fundies are?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I was going to say fundies.
I thought that you were sayingat first oh fundies, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Fundies is in fundamental Christians.
The ones who have 12 kids.
Sometimes they only have eight,but they're all living in a bus
and they lock their kids.
These are real people.
You can cricket sound me allyou want.
These are real people and theymake their money on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Oh, yeah, yeah, oh, fucking people.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Okay, go ahead.
Are you ready to hate humanitymore than you already do?
I was gonna say yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
This, this podcast, has not filled me with hope I
mean again, it's never too lateto have like a podcast about
like puppy tales we might needone after this.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So up first.
Our first contender for like,worst people of the year are
daddy oh five was their youtubechannel name, also sometimes
called family oh five, alsoknown as mike and heather martin
, real government names.
They used to create prankvideos where the parents were
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shown both emotionally andphysically abusing their kids,
including Prank videos.
Yes, prank videos such asspraying disappearing ink on the
floor and then yelling at thechild quote what the fuck did
you do?
And then yelling at the childquote what the fuck did you do?
While the kid hystericallycries because he's really upset
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that he's going to get introuble because his parents are
yelling at him and he doesn'tunderstand what's going on.
But Teehee, it's a prank.
Encouraging the kids to slapeach other.
There are five kids in thisfamily.
I believe two of them were fromMike's previous relationship
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and then three were with thecurrent wife.
I think is how it worked.
I know that two of the kidswere not biologically both of
theirs, but just biologicallyhis.
That will come up later.
But yeah, encouraging the kidsto slap each other like across
the face, shoving one of thekids like into a bookshelf, that
type of quote-unquote prank,that's really funny, teehee I
(07:54):
may, maybe 2015, what's?
that this is.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
This is all happening in 2015 so maybe in the past,
you know, close to 10 years, my,my sense of humor has changed.
But, um, yeah, I'm not findingthe humor.
Uh, because, like, when I thinkof a prank, I think of like you
know, like, oh, got you yeah,and we all laugh about it at the
end like, haha, you got me goodyeah, I'm failing to see the
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prankish part of it.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, well, at the very least, humanity was on your
side, because they also did notsee what was so funny about
some of these things and, inparticular, the thing with the
disappearing ink.
That caused them to release anapology video in 2017, not long
after it came out because peoplewere like I don't think this is
okay.
Like that kid is bawling andcrying, he's so upset because he
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doesn't understand what's goingon.
This is not funny.
So, yeah, they released theapology video like oh, we're a
family, you know, we're just, welike to have fun together.
Yada, yada, yada.
We understand that.
Maybe from the outside, thiswent a little too far, so there.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
There's, you know, like one thing that comes to my
mind is and and this went aroundfor a little bit was where you
took a picture of, like youryourself, just kind of like
holding nobody, and then theywould have like a little
nine-year-old come in like a fewminutes later and then they do
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a magic trick and, like you know, the kid disappears, and then
they would show like the otherpicture of the kid holding
nobody and like people wouldlaugh.
And there was a very thin line,because sometimes, like they
took it too far, where the kidwas like crying but like, yeah,
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you know, when I think of aprank, like you know, like the
kid going, oh my god, I'm here,I'm here and being like, oh no,
no, no see, this is what we did.
Ha ha, ha, ha, ha.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, versus laying the kid get down to the point of
crying yeah, and apparently inthis video again, the fact that
they literally were like yellingat the kid what the fuck did
you do as part of their prank?
Like that's, we're out of prankterritory.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's no more pranking here.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
You don't come back from that.
So, yeah, in 2017, they putthat video out and that was what
got people really kind of upsetabout it, really kind of upset
about it.
And so, in addition to theirapology video, they did also
stop publishing on the channelright around that time, but
unfortunately for them, it wassemi too late, because in August
(10:36):
of 2017, mike and Heather werearrested and charged with child
neglect.
Who saw that one coming?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Big surprise.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Big surprise.
Unfortunately, though, can'tstop, won't stop.
Mentality set in, and they did.
In 2018, they started a newchannel called Family 05.
Youtube took that one down.
They've since kind of popped upa few other places trying to do
a little bit of this stuff, butthey've never reached the
levels that they did in 2015,2016.
(11:10):
They do have a website and theyhave Twitch, and then Mike the
dad has a channel called theMartin Family, where they do
have some stuff.
I'm not sure how much, though,some stuff.
I'm not sure how much, though,because the two children, who
were not Heather Martin'sbiological kids, were removed
from their custody and returnedto their biological mother,
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amongst other things.
Oh, that's a gross one.
Yeah, if you Google problematicinfluencers, they're going to
show up.
Problematic influencers they'regoing to show up, but we have
somebody else who willabsolutely just like dominate
the search results.
Do you know the name?
Ruby Frankie.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
No, it doesn't sound familiar, mm.
I have a feeling it's going tosound familiar after this, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So she was originally knownfrom the youtube channel called
eight passengers.
It was a obviously youtubechannel of her and her husband
and their six kids, so alsostarted in 2015.
It was about them living lifein utah, doing their thing, and
2020 was when stuff started tofall apart for them.
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In one of the videos, I thinkkind of in passing one of their
kids, who was 16 at the time,mentioned something about the
fact that he'd been banned fromhis room for pranking his
sibling and he'd been sleepingon the beanbag for like six
months oh god yeah, another onewent to school without lunch and
the teacher apparently calledand was like hey, your kid
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doesn't have a lunch.
And Ruby Frankie's response in adocumented video about this was
like well, she's supposed tomake that herself, so if she
didn't make it, then she's goingto be hungry.
I hope no one gave her any food, because she has to learn.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
No, no, that's.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
This is your kid.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Mm-hmm.
So in 2022, the parentsseparated, their main channel
was deleted.
I think they'd startedreceiving some pushback kind of
around this time too, of peoplebeing like these methods of
punishing your kids are reallybizarre and really inappropriate
, and Ruby began working with awoman called Jodi Hildebrandt.
(13:30):
They had this group and thenthey started a channel called
Moms of Truth, and I don't knowwhere dad was in all of this and
I do have a lot of questionsabout that.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
So one thing I do want to kind of say like you
know, just real quick for thistype of of uh punishment, you
know, like, especially a kid atthat age is not going to connect
the dot that oh well, you know,I didn't make lunch.
Therefore I need to be moreresponsible.
A child doesn't have thatmentality of connecting to dogs
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like that.
So what their gain is, I didn'tmake lunch, like uh mom didn't?
You know?
Uh didn't make it for me.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Therefore I'm unlovable yeah, well, one of the
things that we worked on withat camp was that when you were
punishing kids like when I was acamp counselor the punishment
had to be appropriate and linkedto the problem.
So if you had a kid at the barnwho was not following
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directions, you wouldn't say,hey, I'm taking away your
swimming time later because it'snot connected, it's too far
apart.
You also wouldn't say you know,you're not going to get, you
know, any dessert for the restof the time you're here, because
that's way too large of apunishment for something that's
happening.
You need to have it right nowand be like if you don't, you
know, stop and listen.
We're with horses, you can gethurt.
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Then you're coming off thehorse and you're going to sit
here and watch.
They have to be able tounderstand that.
Like able to understand that,like I didn't do this and so
therefore, really quick, here ismy punishment.
The punishment is appropriateand the punishment is linked to
the thing that I was doingincorrectly.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
You got to make it like in nice little boxes and I
mean I would also say, like youknow, age appropriate too yeah,
yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Like I don't know how old this kid was in this
particular situation.
At least at camp, the majorityof the kids I worked with were
girls ages 9 to 11.
That was the age group I got alot.
So, again, you really want tohone in and be like nope, you
can't listen on the horse,you're coming off the horse and
you're going to sit here for 30minutes.
Then we can try again.
So, yeah, so yeah.
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The internet did pick up thatthese punishments were becoming
like kind of weird and extreme.
Where was I?
So in 2023, frankie andhildebrandt were arrested and
charged with six counts ofaggravated child abuse, and how
that came about was not becausehusband stepped in Again.
I want to know where husbandwas in this.
Like these were his kids too,and he just seems to have
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completely disappeared.
Because they were arrested afterthe 12-year-old son escaped and
showed up at the neighbor'shouse with duct tape on his
ankles asking for food and water.
There are like um security camvideos you can find there's like
(16:30):
a mini documentary made aboutthis and you can see that like
the security cam videos of it,and then you can see the body
cam videos from some of thepolice who went into the house
afterwards where this child'ssister was.
He apparently reported that hiswounds had been treated with
cayenne pepper and honey.
I mean, he had like visiblewounds on him from being tied up
and again he had duct tape onhis ankles where he'd been like
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tied and clearly he'd gotten outand he was like looking for
food and water because he was sohungry that's fucking.
Oh god, that's sick yeah, bothof these kids were like super
malnourished when they got thethe sister out of the house.
Part of how they kind of gother out was luring her out with
pizza, because food oh fuck yeah, it's um, if you watch the
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documentary about it, just beaware that you're gonna see some
like grown men, big policeofficers, kind of tear up
talking about it yeah, yeah, Imean it's it's, I mean it's good
.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
It's giving me goosebumps just hearing about it
, so I mean I can't imaginebeing there and seeing it and
yeah, oh good times.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Good time on the toxic cooking show.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Puppy tails.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
We're not done yet, though.
We have to wait on the puppytails.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Oh fuck.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I mean, those are the .
That that's the worst case ofinfluencers gone wrong.
Obviously, there are lots ofcases of like parents
mistreating their kids,unfortunately, but in terms of
like big name influencers, we Ithink we just unfortunately
haven't reached prime saturationlevel yet for that, because
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influencing is still like arelatively new thing.
But the fact that you canalready find these examples of
people who started YouTubechannels or started Instagram or
whatever and have been postingand it's like, oh you know,
here's this great, beautifullife.
I hear the kids having fun,here's how I do this, here's how
I do that, and like it has hadtime to fall apart so
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spectacularly.
I think we're only going to seemore of that in the future,
because these were the.
These are the two big namecases.
Again, if you google likeproblematic influencer or like
influencer who went to jail,ruby frankie is like the number
one.
She's just going to show up oneverything, just like pages and
pages of google results for thiswoman, and rightly so, because,
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holy shit, like how do you dothat?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
oh god, yeah, yeah, I'll never understand it no, and
there are more unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
We were just talking about this that you had picked
up on this last time.
There was a youtube channelfrom the early 2010s called
fantastic adventures with sevenadopted kids and most of the
videos were like really benignand fun, like playing games and
all of this type of stuff.
But behind the scene, mom washolding them without food and
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locking them up in closets,pepper spraying them, giving
them extremely cold baths.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
And then you know, and then from what I heard and
maybe you saw this as well islike if a video didn't make a
certain amount, then she woulddo these types of things.
Yeah, so the kids' motivationto make a good video was.
Here's your basic necessities.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
For a day or two.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, for a day, until we have to make a new
video, because, again, even atthis point, like you got to keep
churning out the content,whatever that content is, you
have to keep putting it outthere or your videos are not
going to show up in thealgorithm.
And so I think these peoplewere like all feeling the
pressure of like I just I haveto keep going, I have to make
more.
I mean, if it's any consolationfor her, she did Michelle
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Hobson, she passed away in 2019.
But not before being accused ofwhat is it?
30 counts of kidnapping andchild abuse.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Huh, yep, and there are more.
Cases Like these are the oneswho have been charged, like
there was enough evidence orsomething went so badly wrong
that, like, child protectiveservices got involved and looked
into it.
There are a lot, a lot outthere who it doesn't take a lot
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of looking before you start tobe like, oh, I don't know is, is
this okay?
Like this, is you know where'sthe line between you know, the
prank and the abuse?
And where's the line betweenthe prank and the abuse?
Where's the line between whenyou have a lot of kids, you're
going to miss some stuff.
And there's a fundie who is oneI'm willing to talk about this
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time.
Her Instagram got taken downrecently, thank God.
They're called the Collins Kids.
You may have you probablywouldn't have, because you're a
dude, but if for our femalelisteners, I feel discriminated
against, like no, you haven'tbecause you're a dude.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Wow, okay, there's sexist.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I'm just saying the algorithm shows us wildly
different stuff.
If you have ever seen a videoof a white woman with dyed
blonde hair, I don't know if youwould recognize it as dyed,
being a man, but it's definitelydyed.
She's got blue eyes and she'sgot this horrific like early
(22:00):
2000s, like excessive black eyemakeup going on.
What's her name?
Um collins, kids c-o-l-l-i-n-s,and she's usually surrounded by
her 11 at this point children,and they all look kind of creepy
because she is definitely.
She's been accused of this andI would fully believe it.
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So she's white and her husbandis black.
Uh, she lightens her kids skinin photos and she messes with
their eye color to try and makeit blue.
It's like babes.
That's not how genetics works.
This is the lady who I thinklast time I sent you the post
she had made at one point abouther oldest child being a baby
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and having a poop fight on thetrampoline with the dad.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Oh God.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
So, yeah, I mean she's been accused of like again
the fact that her kids arerunning around in diapers filled
with poop so often, obviously,I mean kids are obsessed with
poop, like they're gonna getahold of it, they're gonna put
it on things, but like the factthat it kept having their kids
are just like you see it in thevideos, these really saggy
diapers, like constantly, likethat child needs the diaper to
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be changed.
Why are you letting them runaround like this, like it's not
healthy?
Did you find them?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, yeah, I saw them.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Do you recognize them ?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
No, I don't recognize them at all.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
See, I told you, I told you, the algorithm is not
showing you these people, it'sshowing you sexy ladies.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Well, my algorithm is mostly showing me dog videos
and short jokes, because thoseare the two.
That is how we send each otherand unfortunately lately,
because I couldn't shut my mouthabout the election some seeing
a lot of conservative posts nowtoo I'm so sorry and and, and.
(23:51):
The sad thing is every timethat that I see one, I I start
like you know, like you, mother,I was like no, this is just
adding to it next one don'tengage.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Oh, it's hard uh yeah .
So yeah, this lady's beenaccused of like letting her her
crotch goblins run around withlike overly full diapers.
I believe they are allhomeschooled and there's some
questions about like are thesekids actually getting an
education?
Cause you can be homeschooledand receive an amazing education
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.
Like the two are notnecessarily connected, but there
are some questions about likeare these kids actually getting
anything?
She definitely uses the oldestkids to take care of the younger
ones.
Like every time she pops out anew one.
It's just like here you go offto the older kids to take care
of the younger ones.
Like every time she pops out anew one.
It's just like here you go offto the older kids to kind of
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take care of.
It's like they're stillchildren.
She calls one of her children abulldog and she tries to like
play it off as cutesy and it'slike you don't like this kid,
like you really don't like thisone and you find ways to try and
pretend that it's okay, butyou're putting it out here on
the internet and people arepicking up that like this one
child because she doesn't followyour rules and like you know
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the way you want her to livebulldog oh god yeah, again,
we'll.
We'll talk about them when wetalk about the fundies in
general, because unfortunatelythey are.
They are christian like crazychristian, not regular christian
, but like but there are moreyay no, I'll only give you.
(25:32):
I looked up like a whole biglist.
I was like I can't make you sitthrough all of it.
You also have people like RomanAtwood, who I had never heard
of before, but he liked to dopranks involving pretending to
like blow up his children orhave them fall over railings and
then prank his wife with this.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
So this, this, this is the thing that that really
kind of worries me is.
Okay, there are reasons thatthey're doing this, whether it's
for the views or whatever.
Even more so is what fuckingpeople are watching this,
because, I mean, you know, andand this is thing it's like if
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people are disgusted by it andand it's kind of that did.
Did you ever see the HowardStern movie?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Babes.
You know I don't watch movies.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
So you know, it was kind of like a documentary, like
a documentary not a documentary, no, it was basically kind of
going over his career intomainstream media in the 80s and
early 90s.
You know, he was the shot jockand one of the things was that
(26:47):
they're going over the reportsof people who are listening to
it and it says the averageHoward Stern fan listens to
Howard Stern for an hour and ahalf.
Number one reason is becausethey want to see what he says
next.
The average uh, howard sternhater listens to howard stern
for two hours.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Number one reason I want to see what he says next
yeah, yeah, I think the the onushere is on both the people who
are putting this out there, likethese families who think it's
okay to create quote unquotepranks or even just to be
posting all of this informationabout their kids.
(27:29):
Again, I mean this kid, theoldest of the Collins kids I
don't remember her name.
All of their names begin with A, and at some point she just
kind of like went off the railsand started spelling words
weirdly, so it would start witha, I don't know.
So it's a whole different one.
But like, this kid now has tolive her life like she's
plastered all over the internet.
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All of these kids do, but thisoldest one, I think.
And then there's this storyabout her going around and
having a poop fight with her dadon the trampoline, and
obviously here I am spreadingthat by talking on this podcast.
But, like, this is somethingthat she's going to have to live
with her entire life, cause hermom decided to share that.
To boost engagement, mom showsall sorts of photos and videos
(28:14):
of these kids doing things toboost engagement.
She forces them to wear, youknow, the matching clothing to
boost engagement, because itcatches your eye when you're
scrolling through.
It catches your eye For this.
You know fantastic adventureschannel.
I'm sure it clearly caughtpeople's eye Like, wow, here are
all these kids and it's a cutelittle backstory, and here they
(28:35):
are playing these games and theyseem really into it.
I'd be into it too.
If that was how I got fed.
I'd play the game you know.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
So, like you know the because I did watch like a
story of the fun time adventuresand the watch videos themselves
, just like you said, it lookscutesy and things like that.
You have no idea what's goingon behind the camera, but I mean
poop fight on the trampoline,like you know.
(29:04):
I mean one is fuckingdisgusting too.
It's, uh, you know, unsanitary,uh to the utmost degree.
Uh, you know, and, and so Imean you have it there in plain
view of thankfully, there was noevidence of it.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
This was just like a written post, for which I I
thank the gods that we don'thave video evidence of poop
fight but even if you arewriting about how cute it was or
whatever, yeah there would besomething like saying like okay,
I'm sure the videos that theywere showing had some degree of
(29:47):
the toxic behaviors um, yeah,again, when people are calling
her out for this stuff, her nameis carissa, but the reason this
, all the stuff I mentioned here, is stuff that people have
mentioned a lot on the internetabout her.
That's just like it's not a onetime oops, you saw a kid run by
in one of her videos with afull diaper.
It happens, it's a whenever shehas kids in diapers they seem
(30:11):
to be full diapers, like it's areally common thing.
It's a really common thing tonotice.
It's like I don't think thesekids are actually receiving an
education, like it seems likethey're, you know, struggling to
read.
They're struggling to do this.
The whitening their skin, youcan see it in the photos.
It's like, why does this kidlook really pale here?
But then in the videos it's not, you know, and that's that's
(30:32):
them.
For people like you know, rubyfrankie, obviously those videos
are gone.
I never saw any of them.
I've run into the collins kidsin the wild.
Unfortunately for ruby frankieI don't, so I haven't seen the
videos that she was putting outthere, but I'm sure that in
general, you know, yeah, itlooked cute, it looked fine, and
then you would have these likelittle spikes of you know, like
(30:53):
the 16 year old being like yeah,I'm sleeping on the beanbag for
six months because I pranked mybrother.
I think the prank was somethingalong the lines of like telling
him that they were going todisney world when they weren't.
You know, terrible, terrible,definitely deserves sleeping on
the beanbag for six monthsthat's fucking crazy yeah, so
(31:14):
obviously there are tons ofinfluencers family influencers,
momfluencers, family vloggerswhatever you want to call them
out there who don't abuse theirkids, but they are obviously
using them to make money andthere are a lot of risks
associated with it.
Like you don't have to be oneof these crazy ones like the
ones we've talked about here are.
I was trying to come up with aword for this earlier.
You know how we have the phraseum the creme de la creme, like
(31:35):
the ones we've talked about hereare.
I was trying to come up with aword for this earlier.
You know how we have the phraseum the creme de la creme, like
the top of the top.
So in keeping with that,keeping it in french, we could
say these are la mer de la mer,like the shittiest of the shit.
I would like to introduce thatinto our vocabulary.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
And as somebody who is very fluent in French himself
, I could definitely pronouncethat no problem.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I think you could get there.
I believe in you Fair food Withthe Italian hand gesture?
Absolutely not, but yeah, withthe italian hand gesture?
Absolutely not, but yeah, we'll, we'll.
That's what we'll talk aboutnext time, though, is all of the
other, the ones who are notlike this bad, because, again,
(32:26):
these are some of the worst, andobviously they're a very small
subsection of the group ingeneral, but we'll talk about
some of the, some of the weirdstuff that they can get into and
all of the risks that areassociated with being a family
vlogger, slash momfluencer, butfor now, based on this, based on
(32:51):
, like the shittiest of the shit, where do you see us going from
here?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I think a lot of it is gonna have to come down to,
you know, people just outrightbeing disgusted by it, you know.
And then so, like you know,like just kind of how I said
before, about, like you know,the howard stern hater, yeah,
well, when howard stern did comeout, like I mean, that became
the new norm of shock jocksbecause of the fact that, like
(33:21):
you know, like, um, you know,his ratings were going through
the roof and it was who can?
who can shock that much betteryep and if we are, I mean if
we're even paying attention tothese people I even even just
kind of sitting there and beingdisgusted.
It's one thing to be like oh myGod, what they're doing is
(33:42):
disgusting.
It's another to watch yourvideos, because YouTube is not
telling the difference betweenwho's watching a video because
it's disgusting versus who'swatching a video because it's
great.
All it knows it's getting allthese hits.
And you know, there was a partof me that that you know.
I mean just as guilty when I,when I first found out about
(34:06):
fantastic ventures, there was apart of me that was very curious
as well, like you know.
Like, okay, let me check outthe videos and see where it's
coming from, you know, um, butat the same time, that's another
hit that they're getting.
You know that they would begetting on on their algorithm
and thankfully, by the time Iactually saw everything, their
(34:27):
videos had been taken down, butstill that curiosity kind of
played in my mind.
Yeah, it's kind of likerubbernecking, you know it's
like the online version ofrubbernecking.
Yeah, you know we see something,so just you know like crazy,
and and you know we see cops andthe fire and what's happening.
(34:47):
Yeah, what's going on?
And we, we slow down and all ofa sudden, like you know,
there's absolutely nothing goingon, like in in you, your side,
but yet you know, uh, traffic isslowed down to like five miles
per hour because everybody wantsto see what the hell's going on
.
But you know, if we startedshit, if we started, if I
(35:07):
started getting paid for everyaccident I got into I mean, I
began, I'd be getting into a lotof accidents.
Yeah, especially, you know, liketens of thousands, hundreds of
thousands of dollars.
Like I fucking buy a car everyfucking day and I'd be out there
getting into an accident.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I mean yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
So so that you know, now you're, now you're seeing,
like you know, like there's thishorrible thing and they're
getting like tens of thousandsof dollars, hundreds, thousands
of dollars, you know, dependingon how big the channel's grown
and you have basic mom who isbarely surviving on her own and
doesn't have enough money fordaycare and things like that and
(35:50):
is trying to make a little bitof money just to just to kind of
get herself back on her feetand looking at these people and
being like, okay, well, thesedisgusting videos made it.
Let's see where I can go fromthere.
And yes, so it comes down toabsolutely positively not paying
attention at all, not even outof curiosity, is one thing.
(36:12):
To call them out and have thethe channel shut down, but to
sit there and be like, huh, I'mcurious, because at the end of
the day, like you're not goingto find that answer, to fulfill
that curiosity, I mean you'regonna look at the video, you're
gonna be like that's fuckingdisgusting, but it's not gonna
(36:33):
answer.
Like you know who could do thisor why would they do this, and
you know all those other things.
It's just, you know, you'rejust seeing firsthand these
disgusting videos and thesepeople are getting money for it
100 agree that you just you haveto.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
You have to avoid it, and this goes for everything
negative or anything that youdon't like.
In general, I see people makethis mistake all the time.
They'll be hating on something,even as silly as like the
Kardashians, but in their questto hate on it, they're now
talking about it.
They're watching the stuff,they're reading things on the
internet.
They're clicking on all of thearticles Like what are they
(37:13):
doing?
Because you want to hate onthem and there's a time and
place for that.
Don't get me wrong, I do livein the land of complainies.
We love complaining.
We love hating on things.
To me, oh my god, how couldthey?
But you have to know when todraw that line and be like if
this is really something thatI'm against, if this is really
something that I hate, then andyou should be able to make the
(37:37):
connection to that all publicityis good publicity for these
people, and so if you reallythink that this is a bad thing,
whatever it is, the best thingthat you can do is just
disengage, like you know.
Go ahead, tell Instagram, I'mnot interested.
If you think there's a problem,report it.
Just go ahead and report it,because you never know, like
(38:03):
what could make the differenceof enough people watch this
video and they're, like I feelreally uncomfortable with
whatever quote-unquote prankyou've just pulled on your kids
and I've reported it toinstagram, or you know, I've,
like you know, done somethingwith it, reported it to whoever,
and if it's just one person,maybe nothing happens.
But now you know 100 people, 200people, have come and reported
this and been like this video isreally inappropriate.
(38:24):
Like I think there's somethingwrong happening here.
You're just greatly increasingthe chances that the platform
actually will do something, asopposed to you just being like,
oh no, how terrible as youscroll on to the next thing,
because, yeah, they're doing itfor shock value and the problem
is you end up with the um, themr beast effect where, like what
used to be shocking, he didthat years ago.
(38:47):
So you have to just keepgetting like bigger and bigger
and crazier and crazier to keeppeople watching.
Please tell me you know who mrbeast is okay, I'm not that
fucking out of it okay.
You had this vaguely blank look.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
I'm just saying historically we have, you know,
not known who some people andhow to pronounce certain
people's names.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
You know what.
But here's the thing is I willtake great pride in not knowing
who cute die pie PewDiePie.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
I know it's PewDiePie , but I take pride, knowing
where he is today, that I didn'tfall into the whole.
Oh, during the time when he waspopular.
So why?
You were sitting there watchingMr Fucking toxicity During the
time when he was popular.
So you were sitting therewatching Mr Fucking Toxicity.
I was there, I didn't watch hisvideos.
(39:48):
Who the fuck he was.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Hey, some of us did not watch his videos.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Whatever?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
You still knew who he was.
Yeah, because I'm cool and hip,I got Riz.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Oh God'm cool and hip .
I got riz.
Oh God, that is total cap.
Sorry, I couldn't help it.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
But yeah, you have to ignore these people and you
have to put your foot down.
When you see the stuff thatyou're like, nope's not, okay,
this makes me superuncomfortable.
Just just do something about it.
Like stop saying to me, oh,someone else is going to report
it.
Like, oh, you know, maybe it'snot so bad.
No, it is that bad.
Just because we've gottenimmune to it and like it's
(40:34):
become normal to see people pullterrible pranks.
Again with a prank, everyoneshould be laughing at the end.
If it's a joke, we're alllaughing, yeah, otherwise it's
not a joke.
If somebody's sitting there andis like I, I don't think this
is funny, like I'm actually hurt, then that was a shit joke.
You don't use that one samething for the prank.
If somebody is actually hurtphysically or mentally, like
(40:56):
that was not a good prank right,don't support it, don't support
it, don't watch it, don'tengage with it.
Like we all know the rules ofthe internet by now, that
engagement of any sort again isthat publicity, and any
publicity is good publicity, soany engagement is good
engagement.
So when you comment on thesevideos and you get into fights
with people, that is the wholepoint.
That's what they want you to do, cause that tells the algorithm
(41:18):
that this is a good video.
Send it to more people.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
You know, there was a time during the election that
somebody had said somethingcompletely like off the cuff.
Like you know, it wascompletely disgusting and I, you
know, again, this is one ofthose things where, like I was
about to post onto it and youknow, I thankfully saw somebody
(41:46):
who posts, like you know, likeslightly the same thing that I
was kind of going to go at, andshe even commented right
underneath it saying thanks for,you know, bringing my algorithm
up.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
And it was just like damn.
She purposely whether it wasbecause she partially believed
it or fully believed it the morepeople were telling her to go
fuck off Again.
Instagram, facebook, all thatdoesn't give a shit whether
you're telling them great job orfuck off.
It just knows it's gettingengagement and more people are
(42:22):
going to be sticking around.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Just comment on this yeah, because as you're watching
that video and then you'regoing to comment, it's playing
in the background.
You can't make it stop.
So as you're scrolling throughthose comments and reading them
and hating on them and makingyour own, it continues to rack
up plays and views and andobviously you know it's noticing
that it's all from one person,but it's still also noticing
(42:45):
that it's like, wow, people seemto want to watch this video 20
times in a row.
It must be good, and I think alot of these people know that
and they are playing off of thatvalue, that shock value of
you're going to get shocked and,you know, maybe you are going
to run to the comment sectionand be like, wow, I can't
believe you would do that toyour kids.
(43:05):
That's not funny.
Youtube sees a comment andYouTube sees people reacting to
that comment and engaging withthat comment, and YouTube likes
that and YouTube will push thatvideo.
Same thing for TikTok, samething for Instagram.
The algorithms all work thesame way and these people know
that, and so some of the stuffthat they are doing is purposely
to do that.
Some of it is, I think, again,because these people are the
(43:27):
worst of the worst.
They're just shitty people andso they were going to do this
anyway, and this has just giventhem a reason to do it and feel
okay doing it.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Let's sigh do it and feel okay, doing it.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Let's sigh On our scale.
Oh, toxicity.
I shouldn't even have to askthis, but just, we'll go through
the, we'll play it through.
I know what your answer isgoing to be.
I hope I know what your answeris going to be.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Well, so before I, are we talking about mom
fluencers or these momfluencers?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
So we already talked about momfluencers last time and
we gave them a preliminaryscore, and we're looking at this
subset of momfluencers slashfamily vloggers, because some of
these were not momfluencersRoman Atwood's a dude, Although
most of them are women again,because women are more likely to
(44:25):
be posting on social media,which is why I think they're
more likely to get.
If there are more of them, thenmore of the people who get
busted for this are going to bewomen.
So yes, looking at thisspecific subset, would you say
that this is a green potato willmake you slightly sick, but you
can also just peel off thegreen part and eat it and you'll
(44:46):
be okay.
Is this a death cat mushroom 5050 chance of death or coma?
Or is this antifreeze?
A delicious but deadly lastsnack with mixed when mixed in
with lime jello?
Speaker 2 (44:58):
choose carefully I mean, it's pretty fucking
obvious, uh, cream potatoobviously that's what I was
going to say I mean, yeah, it'spretty fucking obvious.
I mean, when you're talkingabout child abuse, you're
talking about, you know, thewhole, the whole idea that we're
now in a competition of who canbe worse.
(45:21):
Yeah, you know, it is prettyfucking antifreeze.
You know, it's not like.
You know there's one person whois being completely child abuse
and and the next person beinglike, well, you know, I I kind
of like these little things, butI don't even like the, the
whole't like the whole hittingand things like that.
(45:43):
Look, it's now you're, you're,you're trying to out to the next
person.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Yeah, and a phrase that there's no way around it.
And even looking at some ofthese where it's like it's just
you know the pranking, like thelast guy, you know the pranks
involving, you know pretendingto have his child fall over a
stair railing that is just byitself to me almost into
antifreeze territory on its own,because it's not funny.
(46:11):
It's really really not funny.
And you are drawing in viewerswith these sensationalist things
.
You're putting your spouse in aterrible position of you
pretending that something hashappened.
What if something did happen?
And now they don't believe youbecause it's the boy who cried
wolf type situation and youactually didn't watch.
(46:31):
Your kid and your baby fellover the stair railing.
But wifey doesn't believe youbecause you've already sent her
six videos about this happeningin the past and they were all
fake.
I really don't find that type ofthing funny and I have never
enjoyed that type of prank videoon the internet.
It's bad enough when it's justbetween adults and there are no
(46:51):
kids involved, but I think likeonce there are kids involved, it
just makes it that much worse.
And I go back to the thingwe've talked about several times
now with kids on the internet,and that is, how would you feel
if you, as an adult, stumbledacross this video and you're
like that's my dad doing this,that's my dad making this video
(47:13):
of me pretending to be blown up,and that's my mom getting
freaked out and that's's peoplelaughing at it?
Speaker 2 (47:19):
So yeah, I think we this one we can pretty much
fucking agree on.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Another antifreeze.
Oh, I wish it wasn't.
I don't like the antifreezeones.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah, this one kind of sucks.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah Well, next time is not going to be that much
better, so I'm so sorry.
I'll pick something nice andgreen potatoey after this.
I promise I got to get thisnext one out of my system
because I kept running intostuff while doing the research
for this one, and the peopleneed to know how bad
momfluencers and family vloggersare.
(47:57):
Well, joy, joy joy, joy on thatsuper happy ending.
if you also hate mom influencersand family vloggers and if you
have any that you think weshould check out that you think
are super toxic, or if you haveany that you think are actually
doing it well somehow, whateverthat may be, please let us know.
(48:20):
Know.
You can write to us at toxic,at awesome life skillscom.
You can also just send the linkto whatever it is to us on any
of our social media which, thankyou, I have been checking and
working on.
We have Facebook.
We have X.
We have threads.
We have Instagram TikTok.
We have TikTok.
I have threads.
(48:41):
We have Instagram TikTok.
We have TikTok.
I knew there was a fifth oneDang it.
I was doing so good, feel freeto send them to us there.
Or if you have any horrificstories, we would love to hear
them.
No poop, please.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's a shit.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
On that note, this has been the toxic.
You're a menace with that.
Until then, this has been thetoxic cooking show.
We'll see you guys next week.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Bye bye, bye, bye.
Hi and welcome to the Toxic Cooking Show, where we
break down toxic people intotheir simplest ingredients.
I'm your host, lindsay McLean,and with me is my fantastic
co-host.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Christopher Patchett, lcsw and then LICSW, depending
on where you're at.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I like how you didn't get messed up over the I, but
it took a couple letters for youto fully realize that you had
made the mistake.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I don't get why they had the I in there, when I would
think that it's already knownwith LCSW that you're
independent.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, I don't see why it needs to be specified that
you're independent here.
That's a weird one.
West Virginia Yee-haw, welcometo the South, baby.
So today we have a superexciting follow-up from last
time.
Ooh la la, don't worry, thereare actually more parts to this,
(01:24):
because this was a rabbit holefrom hell that I went down.
This was supposed to be just twoparts and I was like, oh, I
think I'm going to have to do athird.
So I don't know when that'scoming out, but it will come out
soon.
Just so you know that wehaven't covered everything here.
So last time we were talkingabout momfluencers and kind of
(01:44):
setting the stage there.
But I should add thatmomfluencers, family vloggers
there's a lot, a lot of overlapLike, momfluencers are family
vloggers.
Family vloggers don'tnecessarily have to be women, so
therefore they're notnecessarily momfluencers, but
there's, they usually are, theyusually are.
(02:07):
Unfortunately, I decided thatthis week we're still going to
look at the worst of the worst,like I promised you people going
to jail and we're going to havepeople going to jail, but just
know that there's more to come.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I promised you that people are going to jail.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And damn it, we're going to deliver.
Well, it also feels bad to justdrag it out Like we're going to
keep getting worse and worse.
Each time I was like no, let'sjust hit the really bad stuff.
Good job.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Good times, good times.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Good times.
The obligatory trigger warningis that we aren't gonna be
talking about child abuse, sothat's something that you're not
feeling real comfortable withtoday.
Maybe come back or listen toanother one of our episodes that
doesn't involve that oh, goodtimes.
I know good times yeah, yeah,you have to add that in there.
(03:04):
It's like, oh, it's not gonnabe good, is it so today, of
course, we're looking at the momfluent to his family vloggers
who have crossed that line, andof course, we spoke about last
time the fact that when you arean influencer, at a certain
point, the product that you areselling is yourself, it's your
(03:28):
lifestyle, and when you are amom fluencer or a family vlogger
, that is going to include yourkids as well hence the whole
point of being a mom uh, yeah, Imean theoretically you could be
a mom fluencer for your pets,but I guess then you'd be
(03:49):
probably a pet fluencer.
I'm sure that exists.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I don't know, I would not doubt it.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, having kind of run across people who definitely
run Instagram accounts fortheir pets and this, this is
their life.
It's basically like if they hada kid, but this one is just
like a naked cat.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
So I mean that is, that is pathetic, when
somebody's you know lettingtheir pet be a huge part of
their lives.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I mean how dare they?
We would, we would never.
We would never.
Don't tell EP that.
So yeah, you're selling yourkids and their lifestyle and
your parenting style, and theinternet is a hungry, hungry
(04:43):
place.
It always wants more content,always more.
So you have to keep churningout.
If this is how you are makingyour money, if this is not just
like.
This is something I'mpassionate about, so I like
taking photos and putting it onhere.
You have to be putting outcontent every day.
You really have to be puttingout content multiple times a day
, and so I think that may bepart of what can lead to some of
the more extreme behaviors thatwe'll talk about today and next
(05:06):
time.
Unfortunately, religion is apart of that.
That's a whole other episode onits own.
To talk about the fundies onInstagram and TikTok, I'm going
to poke one of them today andthat's it, because that's a
whole.
Do you know what fundies are?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I was going to say fundies.
I thought that you were sayingat first oh fundies, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Fundies is in fundamental Christians.
The ones who have 12 kids.
Sometimes they only have eight,but they're all living in a bus
and they lock their kids.
These are real people.
You can cricket sound me allyou want.
These are real people and theymake their money on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Oh, yeah, yeah, oh, fucking people.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Okay, go ahead.
Are you ready to hate humanitymore than you already do?
I was gonna say yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
This, this podcast, has not filled me with hope I
mean again, it's never too lateto have like a podcast about
like puppy tales we might needone after this.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So up first.
Our first contender for like,worst people of the year are
daddy oh five was their youtubechannel name, also sometimes
called family oh five, alsoknown as mike and heather martin
, real government names.
They used to create prankvideos where the parents were
(06:46):
shown both emotionally andphysically abusing their kids,
including Prank videos.
Yes, prank videos such asspraying disappearing ink on the
floor and then yelling at thechild quote what the fuck did
you do?
And then yelling at the childquote what the fuck did you do?
While the kid hystericallycries because he's really upset
(07:08):
that he's going to get introuble because his parents are
yelling at him and he doesn'tunderstand what's going on.
But Teehee, it's a prank.
Encouraging the kids to slapeach other.
There are five kids in thisfamily.
I believe two of them were fromMike's previous relationship
(07:29):
and then three were with thecurrent wife.
I think is how it worked.
I know that two of the kidswere not biologically both of
theirs, but just biologicallyhis.
That will come up later.
But yeah, encouraging the kidsto slap each other like across
the face, shoving one of thekids like into a bookshelf, that
type of quote-unquote prank,that's really funny, teehee I
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may, maybe 2015, what's?
that this is.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
This is all happening in 2015 so maybe in the past,
you know, close to 10 years, my,my sense of humor has changed.
But, um, yeah, I'm not findingthe humor.
Uh, because, like, when I thinkof a prank, I think of like you
know, like, oh, got you yeah,and we all laugh about it at the
end like, haha, you got me goodyeah, I'm failing to see the
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prankish part of it.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, well, at the very least, humanity was on your
side, because they also did notsee what was so funny about
some of these things and, inparticular, the thing with the
disappearing ink.
That caused them to release anapology video in 2017, not long
after it came out because peoplewere like I don't think this is
okay.
Like that kid is bawling andcrying, he's so upset because he
(08:48):
doesn't understand what's goingon.
This is not funny.
So, yeah, they released theapology video like oh, we're a
family, you know, we're just, welike to have fun together.
Yada, yada, yada.
We understand that.
Maybe from the outside, thiswent a little too far, so there.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
There's, you know, like one thing that comes to my
mind is and and this went aroundfor a little bit was where you
took a picture of, like youryourself, just kind of like
holding nobody, and then theywould have like a little
nine-year-old come in like a fewminutes later and then they do
(09:26):
a magic trick and, like you know, the kid disappears, and then
they would show like the otherpicture of the kid holding
nobody and like people wouldlaugh.
And there was a very thin line,because sometimes, like they
took it too far, where the kidwas like crying but like, yeah,
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you know, when I think of aprank, like you know, like the
kid going, oh my god, I'm here,I'm here and being like, oh no,
no, no see, this is what we did.
Ha ha, ha, ha, ha.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, versus laying the kid get down to the point of
crying yeah, and apparently inthis video again, the fact that
they literally were like yellingat the kid what the fuck did
you do as part of their prank?
Like that's, we're out of prankterritory.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's no more pranking here.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
You don't come back from that.
So, yeah, in 2017, they putthat video out and that was what
got people really kind of upsetabout it, really kind of upset
about it.
And so, in addition to theirapology video, they did also
stop publishing on the channelright around that time, but
unfortunately for them, it wassemi too late, because in August
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of 2017, mike and Heather werearrested and charged with child
neglect.
Who saw that one coming?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Big surprise.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Big surprise.
Unfortunately, though, can'tstop, won't stop.
Mentality set in, and they did.
In 2018, they started a newchannel called Family 05.
Youtube took that one down.
They've since kind of popped upa few other places trying to do
a little bit of this stuff, butthey've never reached the
levels that they did in 2015,2016.
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They do have a website and theyhave Twitch, and then Mike the
dad has a channel called theMartin Family, where they do
have some stuff.
I'm not sure how much, though,some stuff.
I'm not sure how much, though,because the two children, who
were not Heather Martin'sbiological kids, were removed
from their custody and returnedto their biological mother,
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amongst other things.
Oh, that's a gross one.
Yeah, if you Google problematicinfluencers, they're going to
show up.
Problematic influencers they'regoing to show up, but we have
somebody else who willabsolutely just like dominate
the search results.
Do you know the name?
Ruby Frankie.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
No, it doesn't sound familiar, mm.
I have a feeling it's going tosound familiar after this, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So she was originally knownfrom the youtube channel called
eight passengers.
It was a obviously youtubechannel of her and her husband
and their six kids, so alsostarted in 2015.
It was about them living lifein utah, doing their thing, and
2020 was when stuff started tofall apart for them.
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In one of the videos, I thinkkind of in passing one of their
kids, who was 16 at the time,mentioned something about the
fact that he'd been banned fromhis room for pranking his
sibling and he'd been sleepingon the beanbag for like six
months oh god yeah, another onewent to school without lunch and
the teacher apparently calledand was like hey, your kid
(12:48):
doesn't have a lunch.
And Ruby Frankie's response in adocumented video about this was
like well, she's supposed tomake that herself, so if she
didn't make it, then she's goingto be hungry.
I hope no one gave her any food, because she has to learn.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
No, no, that's.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
This is your kid.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Mm-hmm.
So in 2022, the parentsseparated, their main channel
was deleted.
I think they'd startedreceiving some pushback kind of
around this time too, of peoplebeing like these methods of
punishing your kids are reallybizarre and really inappropriate
, and Ruby began working with awoman called Jodi Hildebrandt.
(13:30):
They had this group and thenthey started a channel called
Moms of Truth, and I don't knowwhere dad was in all of this and
I do have a lot of questionsabout that.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
So one thing I do want to kind of say like you
know, just real quick for thistype of of uh punishment, you
know, like, especially a kid atthat age is not going to connect
the dot that oh well, you know,I didn't make lunch.
Therefore I need to be moreresponsible.
A child doesn't have thatmentality of connecting to dogs
(14:05):
like that.
So what their gain is, I didn'tmake lunch, like uh mom didn't?
You know?
Uh didn't make it for me.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Therefore I'm unlovable yeah, well, one of the
things that we worked on withat camp was that when you were
punishing kids like when I was acamp counselor the punishment
had to be appropriate and linkedto the problem.
So if you had a kid at the barnwho was not following
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directions, you wouldn't say,hey, I'm taking away your
swimming time later because it'snot connected, it's too far
apart.
You also wouldn't say you know,you're not going to get, you
know, any dessert for the restof the time you're here, because
that's way too large of apunishment for something that's
happening.
You need to have it right nowand be like if you don't, you
know, stop and listen.
We're with horses, you can gethurt.
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Then you're coming off thehorse and you're going to sit
here and watch.
They have to be able tounderstand that.
Like able to understand that,like I didn't do this and so
therefore, really quick, here ismy punishment.
The punishment is appropriateand the punishment is linked to
the thing that I was doingincorrectly.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
You got to make it like in nice little boxes and I
mean I would also say, like youknow, age appropriate too yeah,
yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Like I don't know how old this kid was in this
particular situation.
At least at camp, the majorityof the kids I worked with were
girls ages 9 to 11.
That was the age group I got alot.
So, again, you really want tohone in and be like nope, you
can't listen on the horse,you're coming off the horse and
you're going to sit here for 30minutes.
Then we can try again.
So, yeah, so yeah.
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The internet did pick up thatthese punishments were becoming
like kind of weird and extreme.
Where was I?
So in 2023, frankie andhildebrandt were arrested and
charged with six counts ofaggravated child abuse, and how
that came about was not becausehusband stepped in Again.
I want to know where husbandwas in this.
Like these were his kids too,and he just seems to have
(16:10):
completely disappeared.
Because they were arrested afterthe 12-year-old son escaped and
showed up at the neighbor'shouse with duct tape on his
ankles asking for food and water.
There are like um security camvideos you can find there's like
(16:30):
a mini documentary made aboutthis and you can see that like
the security cam videos of it,and then you can see the body
cam videos from some of thepolice who went into the house
afterwards where this child'ssister was.
He apparently reported that hiswounds had been treated with
cayenne pepper and honey.
I mean, he had like visiblewounds on him from being tied up
and again he had duct tape onhis ankles where he'd been like
(16:54):
tied and clearly he'd gotten outand he was like looking for
food and water because he was sohungry that's fucking.
Oh god, that's sick yeah, bothof these kids were like super
malnourished when they got thethe sister out of the house.
Part of how they kind of gother out was luring her out with
pizza, because food oh fuck yeah, it's um, if you watch the
(17:19):
documentary about it, just beaware that you're gonna see some
like grown men, big policeofficers, kind of tear up
talking about it yeah, yeah, Imean it's it's, I mean it's good
.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
It's giving me goosebumps just hearing about it
, so I mean I can't imaginebeing there and seeing it and
yeah, oh good times.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Good time on the toxic cooking show.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Puppy tails.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
We're not done yet, though.
We have to wait on the puppytails.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Oh fuck.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I mean, those are the .
That that's the worst case ofinfluencers gone wrong.
Obviously, there are lots ofcases of like parents
mistreating their kids,unfortunately, but in terms of
like big name influencers, we Ithink we just unfortunately
haven't reached prime saturationlevel yet for that, because
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influencing is still like arelatively new thing.
But the fact that you canalready find these examples of
people who started YouTubechannels or started Instagram or
whatever and have been postingand it's like, oh you know,
here's this great, beautifullife.
I hear the kids having fun,here's how I do this, here's how
I do that, and like it has hadtime to fall apart so
(18:37):
spectacularly.
I think we're only going to seemore of that in the future,
because these were the.
These are the two big namecases.
Again, if you google likeproblematic influencer or like
influencer who went to jail,ruby frankie is like the number
one.
She's just going to show up oneverything, just like pages and
pages of google results for thiswoman, and rightly so, because,
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holy shit, like how do you dothat?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
oh god, yeah, yeah, I'll never understand it no, and
there are more unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
We were just talking about this that you had picked
up on this last time.
There was a youtube channelfrom the early 2010s called
fantastic adventures with sevenadopted kids and most of the
videos were like really benignand fun, like playing games and
all of this type of stuff.
But behind the scene, mom washolding them without food and
(19:31):
locking them up in closets,pepper spraying them, giving
them extremely cold baths.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
And then you know, and then from what I heard and
maybe you saw this as well islike if a video didn't make a
certain amount, then she woulddo these types of things.
Yeah, so the kids' motivationto make a good video was.
Here's your basic necessities.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
For a day or two.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, for a day, until we have to make a new
video, because, again, even atthis point, like you got to keep
churning out the content,whatever that content is, you
have to keep putting it outthere or your videos are not
going to show up in thealgorithm.
And so I think these peoplewere like all feeling the
pressure of like I just I haveto keep going, I have to make
more.
I mean, if it's any consolationfor her, she did Michelle
(20:25):
Hobson, she passed away in 2019.
But not before being accused ofwhat is it?
30 counts of kidnapping andchild abuse.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Huh, yep, and there are more.
Cases Like these are the oneswho have been charged, like
there was enough evidence orsomething went so badly wrong
that, like, child protectiveservices got involved and looked
into it.
There are a lot, a lot outthere who it doesn't take a lot
(20:55):
of looking before you start tobe like, oh, I don't know is, is
this okay?
Like this, is you know where'sthe line between you know, the
prank and the abuse?
And where's the line betweenthe prank and the abuse?
Where's the line between whenyou have a lot of kids, you're
going to miss some stuff.
And there's a fundie who is oneI'm willing to talk about this
(21:18):
time.
Her Instagram got taken downrecently, thank God.
They're called the Collins Kids.
You may have you probablywouldn't have, because you're a
dude, but if for our femalelisteners, I feel discriminated
against, like no, you haven'tbecause you're a dude.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Wow, okay, there's sexist.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I'm just saying the algorithm shows us wildly
different stuff.
If you have ever seen a videoof a white woman with dyed
blonde hair, I don't know if youwould recognize it as dyed,
being a man, but it's definitelydyed.
She's got blue eyes and she'sgot this horrific like early
(22:00):
2000s, like excessive black eyemakeup going on.
What's her name?
Um collins, kids c-o-l-l-i-n-s,and she's usually surrounded by
her 11 at this point children,and they all look kind of creepy
because she is definitely.
She's been accused of this andI would fully believe it.
(22:20):
So she's white and her husbandis black.
Uh, she lightens her kids skinin photos and she messes with
their eye color to try and makeit blue.
It's like babes.
That's not how genetics works.
This is the lady who I thinklast time I sent you the post
she had made at one point abouther oldest child being a baby
(22:42):
and having a poop fight on thetrampoline with the dad.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Oh God.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
So, yeah, I mean she's been accused of like again
the fact that her kids arerunning around in diapers filled
with poop so often, obviously,I mean kids are obsessed with
poop, like they're gonna getahold of it, they're gonna put
it on things, but like the factthat it kept having their kids
are just like you see it in thevideos, these really saggy
diapers, like constantly, likethat child needs the diaper to
(23:11):
be changed.
Why are you letting them runaround like this, like it's not
healthy?
Did you find them?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, yeah, I saw them.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Do you recognize them ?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
No, I don't recognize them at all.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
See, I told you, I told you, the algorithm is not
showing you these people, it'sshowing you sexy ladies.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Well, my algorithm is mostly showing me dog videos
and short jokes, because thoseare the two.
That is how we send each otherand unfortunately lately,
because I couldn't shut my mouthabout the election some seeing
a lot of conservative posts nowtoo I'm so sorry and and, and.
(23:51):
The sad thing is every timethat that I see one, I I start
like you know, like you, mother,I was like no, this is just
adding to it next one don'tengage.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Oh, it's hard uh yeah .
So yeah, this lady's beenaccused of like letting her her
crotch goblins run around withlike overly full diapers.
I believe they are allhomeschooled and there's some
questions about like are thesekids actually getting an
education?
Cause you can be homeschooledand receive an amazing education
(24:23):
.
Like the two are notnecessarily connected, but there
are some questions about likeare these kids actually getting
anything?
She definitely uses the oldestkids to take care of the younger
ones.
Like every time she pops out anew one.
It's just like here you go offto the older kids to take care
of the younger ones.
Like every time she pops out anew one.
It's just like here you go offto the older kids to kind of
(24:44):
take care of.
It's like they're stillchildren.
She calls one of her children abulldog and she tries to like
play it off as cutesy and it'slike you don't like this kid,
like you really don't like thisone and you find ways to try and
pretend that it's okay, butyou're putting it out here on
the internet and people arepicking up that like this one
child because she doesn't followyour rules and like you know
(25:05):
the way you want her to livebulldog oh god yeah, again,
we'll.
We'll talk about them when wetalk about the fundies in
general, because unfortunatelythey are.
They are christian like crazychristian, not regular christian
, but like but there are moreyay no, I'll only give you.
(25:32):
I looked up like a whole biglist.
I was like I can't make you sitthrough all of it.
You also have people like RomanAtwood, who I had never heard
of before, but he liked to dopranks involving pretending to
like blow up his children orhave them fall over railings and
then prank his wife with this.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
So this, this, this is the thing that that really
kind of worries me is.
Okay, there are reasons thatthey're doing this, whether it's
for the views or whatever.
Even more so is what fuckingpeople are watching this,
because, I mean, you know, andand this is thing it's like if
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people are disgusted by it andand it's kind of that did.
Did you ever see the HowardStern movie?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Babes.
You know I don't watch movies.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
So you know, it was kind of like a documentary, like
a documentary not a documentary, no, it was basically kind of
going over his career intomainstream media in the 80s and
early 90s.
You know, he was the shot jockand one of the things was that
(26:47):
they're going over the reportsof people who are listening to
it and it says the averageHoward Stern fan listens to
Howard Stern for an hour and ahalf.
Number one reason is becausethey want to see what he says
next.
The average uh, howard sternhater listens to howard stern
for two hours.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Number one reason I want to see what he says next
yeah, yeah, I think the the onushere is on both the people who
are putting this out there, likethese families who think it's
okay to create quote unquotepranks or even just to be
posting all of this informationabout their kids.
(27:29):
Again, I mean this kid, theoldest of the Collins kids I
don't remember her name.
All of their names begin with A, and at some point she just
kind of like went off the railsand started spelling words
weirdly, so it would start witha, I don't know.
So it's a whole different one.
But like, this kid now has tolive her life like she's
plastered all over the internet.
(27:51):
All of these kids do, but thisoldest one, I think.
And then there's this storyabout her going around and
having a poop fight with her dadon the trampoline, and
obviously here I am spreadingthat by talking on this podcast.
But, like, this is somethingthat she's going to have to live
with her entire life, cause hermom decided to share that.
To boost engagement, mom showsall sorts of photos and videos
(28:14):
of these kids doing things toboost engagement.
She forces them to wear, youknow, the matching clothing to
boost engagement, because itcatches your eye when you're
scrolling through.
It catches your eye For this.
You know fantastic adventureschannel.
I'm sure it clearly caughtpeople's eye Like, wow, here are
all these kids and it's a cutelittle backstory, and here they
(28:35):
are playing these games and theyseem really into it.
I'd be into it too.
If that was how I got fed.
I'd play the game you know.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
So, like you know the because I did watch like a
story of the fun time adventuresand the watch videos themselves
, just like you said, it lookscutesy and things like that.
You have no idea what's goingon behind the camera, but I mean
poop fight on the trampoline,like you know.
(29:04):
I mean one is fuckingdisgusting too.
It's, uh, you know, unsanitary,uh to the utmost degree.
Uh, you know, and, and so Imean you have it there in plain
view of thankfully, there was noevidence of it.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
This was just like a written post, for which I I
thank the gods that we don'thave video evidence of poop
fight but even if you arewriting about how cute it was or
whatever, yeah there would besomething like saying like okay,
I'm sure the videos that theywere showing had some degree of
(29:47):
the toxic behaviors um, yeah,again, when people are calling
her out for this stuff, her nameis carissa, but the reason this
, all the stuff I mentioned here, is stuff that people have
mentioned a lot on the internetabout her.
That's just like it's not a onetime oops, you saw a kid run by
in one of her videos with afull diaper.
It happens, it's a whenever shehas kids in diapers they seem
(30:11):
to be full diapers, like it's areally common thing.
It's a really common thing tonotice.
It's like I don't think thesekids are actually receiving an
education, like it seems likethey're, you know, struggling to
read.
They're struggling to do this.
The whitening their skin, youcan see it in the photos.
It's like, why does this kidlook really pale here?
But then in the videos it's not, you know, and that's that's
(30:32):
them.
For people like you know, rubyfrankie, obviously those videos
are gone.
I never saw any of them.
I've run into the collins kidsin the wild.
Unfortunately for ruby frankieI don't, so I haven't seen the
videos that she was putting outthere, but I'm sure that in
general, you know, yeah, itlooked cute, it looked fine, and
then you would have these likelittle spikes of you know, like
(30:53):
the 16 year old being like yeah,I'm sleeping on the beanbag for
six months because I pranked mybrother.
I think the prank was somethingalong the lines of like telling
him that they were going todisney world when they weren't.
You know, terrible, terrible,definitely deserves sleeping on
the beanbag for six monthsthat's fucking crazy yeah, so
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obviously there are tons ofinfluencers family influencers,
momfluencers, family vloggerswhatever you want to call them
out there who don't abuse theirkids, but they are obviously
using them to make money andthere are a lot of risks
associated with it.
Like you don't have to be oneof these crazy ones like the
ones we've talked about here are.
I was trying to come up with aword for this earlier.
You know how we have the phraseum the creme de la creme, like
(31:35):
the ones we've talked about hereare.
I was trying to come up with aword for this earlier.
You know how we have the phraseum the creme de la creme, like
the top of the top.
So in keeping with that,keeping it in french, we could
say these are la mer de la mer,like the shittiest of the shit.
I would like to introduce thatinto our vocabulary.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
And as somebody who is very fluent in French himself
, I could definitely pronouncethat no problem.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I think you could get there.
I believe in you Fair food Withthe Italian hand gesture?
Absolutely not, but yeah, withthe italian hand gesture?
Absolutely not, but yeah, we'll, we'll.
That's what we'll talk aboutnext time, though, is all of the
other, the ones who are notlike this bad, because, again,
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these are some of the worst, andobviously they're a very small
subsection of the group ingeneral, but we'll talk about
some of the, some of the weirdstuff that they can get into and
all of the risks that areassociated with being a family
vlogger, slash momfluencer, butfor now, based on this, based on
(32:51):
, like the shittiest of the shit, where do you see us going from
here?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I think a lot of it is gonna have to come down to,
you know, people just outrightbeing disgusted by it, you know.
And then so, like you know,like just kind of how I said
before, about, like you know,the howard stern hater, yeah,
well, when howard stern did comeout, like I mean, that became
the new norm of shock jocksbecause of the fact that, like
(33:21):
you know, like, um, you know,his ratings were going through
the roof and it was who can?
who can shock that much betteryep and if we are, I mean if
we're even paying attention tothese people I even even just
kind of sitting there and beingdisgusted.
It's one thing to be like oh myGod, what they're doing is
(33:42):
disgusting.
It's another to watch yourvideos, because YouTube is not
telling the difference betweenwho's watching a video because
it's disgusting versus who'swatching a video because it's
great.
All it knows it's getting allthese hits.
And you know, there was a partof me that that you know.
I mean just as guilty when I,when I first found out about
(34:06):
fantastic ventures, there was apart of me that was very curious
as well, like you know.
Like, okay, let me check outthe videos and see where it's
coming from, you know, um, butat the same time, that's another
hit that they're getting.
You know that they would begetting on on their algorithm
and thankfully, by the time Iactually saw everything, their
(34:27):
videos had been taken down, butstill that curiosity kind of
played in my mind.
Yeah, it's kind of likerubbernecking, you know it's
like the online version ofrubbernecking.
Yeah, you know we see something,so just you know like crazy,
and and you know we see cops andthe fire and what's happening.
(34:47):
Yeah, what's going on?
And we, we slow down and all ofa sudden, like you know,
there's absolutely nothing goingon, like in in you, your side,
but yet you know, uh, traffic isslowed down to like five miles
per hour because everybody wantsto see what the hell's going on
.
But you know, if we startedshit, if we started, if I
(35:07):
started getting paid for everyaccident I got into I mean, I
began, I'd be getting into a lotof accidents.
Yeah, especially, you know, liketens of thousands, hundreds of
thousands of dollars.
Like I fucking buy a car everyfucking day and I'd be out there
getting into an accident.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I mean yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
So so that you know, now you're, now you're seeing,
like you know, like there's thishorrible thing and they're
getting like tens of thousandsof dollars, hundreds, thousands
of dollars, you know, dependingon how big the channel's grown
and you have basic mom who isbarely surviving on her own and
doesn't have enough money fordaycare and things like that and
(35:50):
is trying to make a little bitof money just to just to kind of
get herself back on her feetand looking at these people and
being like, okay, well, thesedisgusting videos made it.
Let's see where I can go fromthere.
And yes, so it comes down toabsolutely positively not paying
attention at all, not even outof curiosity, is one thing.
(36:12):
To call them out and have thethe channel shut down, but to
sit there and be like, huh, I'mcurious, because at the end of
the day, like you're not goingto find that answer, to fulfill
that curiosity, I mean you'regonna look at the video, you're
gonna be like that's fuckingdisgusting, but it's not gonna
(36:33):
answer.
Like you know who could do thisor why would they do this, and
you know all those other things.
It's just, you know, you'rejust seeing firsthand these
disgusting videos and thesepeople are getting money for it
100 agree that you just you haveto.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
You have to avoid it, and this goes for everything
negative or anything that youdon't like.
In general, I see people makethis mistake all the time.
They'll be hating on something,even as silly as like the
Kardashians, but in their questto hate on it, they're now
talking about it.
They're watching the stuff,they're reading things on the
internet.
They're clicking on all of thearticles Like what are they
(37:13):
doing?
Because you want to hate onthem and there's a time and
place for that.
Don't get me wrong, I do livein the land of complainies.
We love complaining.
We love hating on things.
To me, oh my god, how couldthey?
But you have to know when todraw that line and be like if
this is really something thatI'm against, if this is really
something that I hate, then andyou should be able to make the
(37:37):
connection to that all publicityis good publicity for these
people, and so if you reallythink that this is a bad thing,
whatever it is, the best thingthat you can do is just
disengage, like you know.
Go ahead, tell Instagram, I'mnot interested.
If you think there's a problem,report it.
Just go ahead and report it,because you never know, like
(38:03):
what could make the differenceof enough people watch this
video and they're, like I feelreally uncomfortable with
whatever quote-unquote prankyou've just pulled on your kids
and I've reported it toinstagram, or you know, I've,
like you know, done somethingwith it, reported it to whoever,
and if it's just one person,maybe nothing happens.
But now you know 100 people, 200people, have come and reported
this and been like this video isreally inappropriate.
(38:24):
Like I think there's somethingwrong happening here.
You're just greatly increasingthe chances that the platform
actually will do something, asopposed to you just being like,
oh no, how terrible as youscroll on to the next thing,
because, yeah, they're doing itfor shock value and the problem
is you end up with the um, themr beast effect where, like what
used to be shocking, he didthat years ago.
(38:47):
So you have to just keepgetting like bigger and bigger
and crazier and crazier to keeppeople watching.
Please tell me you know who mrbeast is okay, I'm not that
fucking out of it okay.
You had this vaguely blank look.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
I'm just saying historically we have, you know,
not known who some people andhow to pronounce certain
people's names.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
You know what.
But here's the thing is I willtake great pride in not knowing
who cute die pie PewDiePie.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
I know it's PewDiePie , but I take pride, knowing
where he is today, that I didn'tfall into the whole.
Oh, during the time when he waspopular.
So why?
You were sitting there watchingMr Fucking toxicity During the
time when he was popular.
So you were sitting therewatching Mr Fucking Toxicity.
I was there, I didn't watch hisvideos.
(39:48):
Who the fuck he was.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Hey, some of us did not watch his videos.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Whatever?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
You still knew who he was.
Yeah, because I'm cool and hip,I got Riz.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Oh God'm cool and hip .
I got riz.
Oh God, that is total cap.
Sorry, I couldn't help it.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
But yeah, you have to ignore these people and you
have to put your foot down.
When you see the stuff thatyou're like, nope's not, okay,
this makes me superuncomfortable.
Just just do something about it.
Like stop saying to me, oh,someone else is going to report
it.
Like, oh, you know, maybe it'snot so bad.
No, it is that bad.
Just because we've gottenimmune to it and like it's
(40:34):
become normal to see people pullterrible pranks.
Again with a prank, everyoneshould be laughing at the end.
If it's a joke, we're alllaughing, yeah, otherwise it's
not a joke.
If somebody's sitting there andis like I, I don't think this
is funny, like I'm actually hurt, then that was a shit joke.
You don't use that one samething for the prank.
If somebody is actually hurtphysically or mentally, like
(40:56):
that was not a good prank right,don't support it, don't support
it, don't watch it, don'tengage with it.
Like we all know the rules ofthe internet by now, that
engagement of any sort again isthat publicity, and any
publicity is good publicity, soany engagement is good
engagement.
So when you comment on thesevideos and you get into fights
with people, that is the wholepoint.
That's what they want you to do, cause that tells the algorithm
(41:18):
that this is a good video.
Send it to more people.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
You know, there was a time during the election that
somebody had said somethingcompletely like off the cuff.
Like you know, it wascompletely disgusting and I, you
know, again, this is one ofthose things where, like I was
about to post onto it and youknow, I thankfully saw somebody
(41:46):
who posts, like you know, likeslightly the same thing that I
was kind of going to go at, andshe even commented right
underneath it saying thanks for,you know, bringing my algorithm
up.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
And it was just like damn.
She purposely whether it wasbecause she partially believed
it or fully believed it the morepeople were telling her to go
fuck off Again.
Instagram, facebook, all thatdoesn't give a shit whether
you're telling them great job orfuck off.
It just knows it's gettingengagement and more people are
(42:22):
going to be sticking around.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Just comment on this yeah, because as you're watching
that video and then you'regoing to comment, it's playing
in the background.
You can't make it stop.
So as you're scrolling throughthose comments and reading them
and hating on them and makingyour own, it continues to rack
up plays and views and andobviously you know it's noticing
that it's all from one person,but it's still also noticing
(42:45):
that it's like, wow, people seemto want to watch this video 20
times in a row.
It must be good, and I think alot of these people know that
and they are playing off of thatvalue, that shock value of
you're going to get shocked and,you know, maybe you are going
to run to the comment sectionand be like, wow, I can't
believe you would do that toyour kids.
(43:05):
That's not funny.
Youtube sees a comment andYouTube sees people reacting to
that comment and engaging withthat comment, and YouTube likes
that and YouTube will push thatvideo.
Same thing for TikTok, samething for Instagram.
The algorithms all work thesame way and these people know
that, and so some of the stuffthat they are doing is purposely
to do that.
Some of it is, I think, again,because these people are the
(43:27):
worst of the worst.
They're just shitty people andso they were going to do this
anyway, and this has just giventhem a reason to do it and feel
okay doing it.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Let's sigh do it and feel okay, doing it.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Let's sigh On our scale.
Oh, toxicity.
I shouldn't even have to askthis, but just, we'll go through
the, we'll play it through.
I know what your answer isgoing to be.
I hope I know what your answeris going to be.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Well, so before I, are we talking about mom
fluencers or these momfluencers?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
So we already talked about momfluencers last time and
we gave them a preliminaryscore, and we're looking at this
subset of momfluencers slashfamily vloggers, because some of
these were not momfluencersRoman Atwood's a dude, Although
most of them are women again,because women are more likely to
(44:25):
be posting on social media,which is why I think they're
more likely to get.
If there are more of them, thenmore of the people who get
busted for this are going to bewomen.
So yes, looking at thisspecific subset, would you say
that this is a green potato willmake you slightly sick, but you
can also just peel off thegreen part and eat it and you'll
(44:46):
be okay.
Is this a death cat mushroom 5050 chance of death or coma?
Or is this antifreeze?
A delicious but deadly lastsnack with mixed when mixed in
with lime jello?
Speaker 2 (44:58):
choose carefully I mean, it's pretty fucking
obvious, uh, cream potatoobviously that's what I was
going to say I mean, yeah, it'spretty fucking obvious.
I mean, when you're talkingabout child abuse, you're
talking about, you know, thewhole, the whole idea that we're
now in a competition of who canbe worse.
(45:21):
Yeah, you know, it is prettyfucking antifreeze.
You know, it's not like.
You know there's one person whois being completely child abuse
and and the next person beinglike, well, you know, I I kind
of like these little things, butI don't even like the, the
whole't like the whole hittingand things like that.
(45:43):
Look, it's now you're, you're,you're trying to out to the next
person.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Yeah, and a phrase that there's no way around it.
And even looking at some ofthese where it's like it's just
you know the pranking, like thelast guy, you know the pranks
involving, you know pretendingto have his child fall over a
stair railing that is just byitself to me almost into
antifreeze territory on its own,because it's not funny.
(46:11):
It's really really not funny.
And you are drawing in viewerswith these sensationalist things
.
You're putting your spouse in aterrible position of you
pretending that something hashappened.
What if something did happen?
And now they don't believe youbecause it's the boy who cried
wolf type situation and youactually didn't watch.
(46:31):
Your kid and your baby fellover the stair railing.
But wifey doesn't believe youbecause you've already sent her
six videos about this happeningin the past and they were all
fake.
I really don't find that type ofthing funny and I have never
enjoyed that type of prank videoon the internet.
It's bad enough when it's justbetween adults and there are no
(46:51):
kids involved, but I think likeonce there are kids involved, it
just makes it that much worse.
And I go back to the thingwe've talked about several times
now with kids on the internet,and that is, how would you feel
if you, as an adult, stumbledacross this video and you're
like that's my dad doing this,that's my dad making this video
(47:13):
of me pretending to be blown up,and that's my mom getting
freaked out and that's's peoplelaughing at it?
Speaker 2 (47:19):
So yeah, I think we this one we can pretty much
fucking agree on.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Another antifreeze.
Oh, I wish it wasn't.
I don't like the antifreezeones.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah, this one kind of sucks.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah Well, next time is not going to be that much
better, so I'm so sorry.
I'll pick something nice andgreen potatoey after this.
I promise I got to get thisnext one out of my system
because I kept running intostuff while doing the research
for this one, and the peopleneed to know how bad
momfluencers and family vloggersare.
(47:57):
Well, joy, joy joy, joy on thatsuper happy ending.
if you also hate mom influencersand family vloggers and if you
have any that you think weshould check out that you think
are super toxic, or if you haveany that you think are actually
doing it well somehow, whateverthat may be, please let us know.
(48:20):
Know.
You can write to us at toxic,at awesome life skillscom.
You can also just send the linkto whatever it is to us on any
of our social media which, thankyou, I have been checking and
working on.
We have Facebook.
We have X.
We have threads.
We have Instagram TikTok.
We have TikTok.
I have threads.
(48:41):
We have Instagram TikTok.
We have TikTok.
I knew there was a fifth oneDang it.
I was doing so good, feel freeto send them to us there.
Or if you have any horrificstories, we would love to hear
them.
No poop, please.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's a shit.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
On that note, this has been the toxic.
You're a menace with that.
Until then, this has been thetoxic cooking show.
We'll see you guys next week.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Bye bye, bye, bye.
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