October 6, 2025 • 59 mins
Today’s countdown says the world ends… again. We lean into the joke, then pull back the curtain on how doomsday thinking has evolved—from ancient uprisings and medieval plague marches to papal numerology, Y2K jitters, and the latest TikTok rapture trend. Along the way we ask the question that matters most: who benefits when fear goes viral, and what does it cost the rest of us?
We trace the lineage of failed prophecies with surprising cameos—yes, Columbus had an end date, and even Isaac Newton wandered into apocalypse math. We revisit 2011’s billboard rapture, the Mayan calendar moment, and the Doomsday Clock’s uneasy tick from seven minutes to today’s 89 seconds. Then we separate signal from noise: how real risks like climate change, AI, and near-Earth objects differ from numerology and charisma-fueled certainty. Expect practical skepticism, not doom: what evidence looks like, how grifters move the goalposts, and why sharing “for the lolz” still spreads the fire.
The human cost is the heart of the episode. We talk about cult playbooks, the Jim Jones tragedy, and quieter wreckage—savings drained, jobs quit, families fractured—when a promised rapture doesn’t arrive. Our takeaway is simple: stay curious, stay grounded, and refuse to outsource your judgment to alarm clocks and hashtags. If you love history, psychology, media literacy, or just want a saner way to meet the next viral prophecy, this one’s for you.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:16):
Hi, and welcome to the Toxic Cooking Show, where we
break down toxic people to theirsimplest ingredients.
I'm your host, ChristopherPatchett, LCSW.
SPEAKER_04 (00:26):
And I'm Lindsay McLean.
SPEAKER_00 (00:28):
Well, Lindsay, we we had a two-month hiatus.
We put out one show, and nowwe're putting out our last show.
SPEAKER_04 (00:39):
Oh no.
Why?
Did you lose all of therecordings that we made?
SPEAKER_00 (00:44):
Today we're having a very special show.
unknown (00:48):
Uh-oh.
SPEAKER_00 (00:48):
Because the end of the world is today.
SPEAKER_04 (00:52):
Now now, hold on.
I thought the end of the worldhappened already.
SPEAKER_00 (00:57):
Well, well, the the the end of the world was
obviously didn't happen onSeptember 23rd, 24th.
Now it's been moved to October6th, which is why we're having a
recording coming out a dayearlier than usual.
SPEAKER_04 (01:13):
Ooh, just in time.
I love getting raptured.
SPEAKER_00 (01:17):
Well, I mean, your petty ass is still gonna be
here, and and I'll be taking upto heaven.
So unfortunately, that's whytoday is gonna be the last show.
SPEAKER_04 (01:27):
Uh I don't think you qualify.
You were supposed to be a goodperson.
I've seen the memes you send onInstagram.
SPEAKER_00 (01:36):
Ah, the Titan.
SPEAKER_03 (01:39):
The Titan.
SPEAKER_00 (01:45):
Oh God.
So yes, you know, this is theend of the world, and but the
thing is, is that this hasn'tbeen the first, nor is it the
last end of the world.
SPEAKER_01 (02:00):
Uh-oh.
SPEAKER_00 (02:03):
I did some research, and the earliest that I found of
people saying that the end ofthe world, and there was a fuck
ton of end of the worldprophecies.
SPEAKER_03 (02:15):
I am not surprised.
SPEAKER_00 (02:17):
I'm I'm talking fuck ton.
So obviously, I'm not gonna gothrough all like 10 trillion of
them, but I did pick out like abunch of ones that I thought
were actually kind ofinteresting.
And this is the the the cream ofthe crop, so to say.
(02:38):
The earlier ones that I'm gonnatalk about, God forgive me for
for mispronouncing names.
I am not very name savvy ofearlier times.
Uh-oh.
But I will try my best.
But the the first one that I'dsee here is that the Jewish
(03:01):
Esna, so to all of our Jewishlisteners, I am very, very sorry
once again.
The Jewish Esnak, and andforgive me for mispronouncing
the name, saw the Jewish uhuprising of the Romans in the in
66 AD and Judea, the final endtime battle, which would bring
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about the arrival of theMessiah.
That was one of the very firstprophets of the end of times.
So we're going way back.
Oh wow.
And the funny thing is, is thatI tried seeing if there was
anything like prior, like youknow, like BC or whatever.
And it wasn't until Christianitycame about that that people
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really started going for the endof the world.
So I was surprised because Ithought that there would have
been like Greek Christianity.
SPEAKER_04 (03:55):
I thought everyone would have been, yeah.
Huh.
SPEAKER_00 (03:58):
But well but go Christians.
Uh I have nothing againstChristianity.
Then uh the I mean, one of theones that I saw was oh, I'm
gonna totally screw up thisname.
Sectus Julius Africanus.
(04:21):
He was a early historian for theChristian church.
So he was actually the one whocame up with the whole idea that
the time between the creation ofthe world and Jesus' time was
5,500 years.
He was also stated that Jesuswas born in March of the spring
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equedoc.
So the whole like December 25th,that was even stated before him.
So I know even now, like theythey say that it was probably
during this time that that hewas born because of the the
North Star Bethlehem and allthat good stuff.
SPEAKER_04 (05:03):
So well, and we know that the Romans were really good
at they would they would comealong and they'd find a group of
people and they'd be like, hey,you got a holiday here?
We also kind of have a holiday.
Let's just let's let's allcelebrate together.
Because it made people be like,okay, I guess you did conquer
me, but this is fine.
And so you just kind of likesmished everything in.
And so, yeah, there was therewould have been like a pagan
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holiday end of what we now callDecember, and so they may have
just slapped some other shit onthere and been like, everyone
celebrates, and somehow thatjust became Jesus' birthday,
even though, yeah, it's kind ofproof it's like that there
wouldn't have been baby lambs inDecember.
SPEAKER_00 (05:40):
Right.
Not a thing.
So so yeah, this guy he came upwith the idea that the beginning
of the year the world was 550 or5,500 years ago.
So you still hear that withapologized Christians where
they're saying that the theworld is 6,000 years.
SPEAKER_03 (06:02):
This is who to blame for that.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (06:04):
This is who to blame for that.
He was alive around 160 AD, buthis prediction was for 500 AD.
SPEAKER_04 (06:13):
Okay.
That's really smart to put it uhway ahead of when you're gonna
be like well gone and dead, sono repercussions.
SPEAKER_00 (06:22):
Yeah.
I I think that's a hell of a lotsmarter because I don't want
people you know coming after meif I'm wrong.
SPEAKER_04 (06:28):
Yeah, they don't have to make up anything else
and be like, oops, I got thedates wrong.
Like I'm dead.
You can't do anything.
SPEAKER_00 (06:37):
They he chose 500 years because he was basing it
off the measurements of Noah'sArk.
I don't know how the fuck hecame up with that, but
apparently a lot of people hadthought that was true.
They followed it, and then when500 AD came about, they were
like, no, no, no, he meant this,and it was 800 AD.
SPEAKER_04 (07:00):
You know, I'm already seeing some interesting
connections here.
Fascinating.
SPEAKER_00 (07:08):
Well, here's one of the the the ones I found
fascinating.
Was so Pope Sylvester II.
That's a great name.
I know, isn't it?
Where's the third?
Come on, guys.
Uh-oh.
He was predicting that it wasgoing to be the first millennium
after Christ, so 1000 AD.
(07:30):
I thought that was kind ofinteresting because of
everything that was going on in2000, that everybody was going
off, and and we'll get intothat, I promise you.
Many Christians, once 1000 ADhappened and it passed, and the
world is still here.
A lot of Christians were like,well, no, no, no, it's it's a
thousand years after the deathof Jesus.
(07:52):
So 1033 AD.
And guess what?
We're still here.
SPEAKER_03 (08:00):
I'm shocked.
SPEAKER_00 (08:02):
And if you thought Pope Sylvester II was an
interesting name, Pope Innocent.
SPEAKER_04 (08:08):
But he wasn't innocent.
SPEAKER_00 (08:10):
Pope Innocent III predicted that 1284 being 666
years after the rise of Islam.
SPEAKER_04 (08:19):
You know, bonus points for that's a kind of fun.
You picked a thing that youthought was terrible, you gave
it the devil's number, likepoints for creativity.
SPEAKER_00 (08:28):
Yeah, I I I can't.
And that's why I was like, I Ilike the uh 666 going on there.
Try to slide it in somehow, youknow?
SPEAKER_04 (08:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's that's really good.
I like that.
SPEAKER_00 (08:41):
During the Black Plague, a lot of Europeans
predicted that the Black Plaguewas the end of the world.
SPEAKER_04 (08:49):
Kind of was for a lot of them.
SPEAKER_00 (08:51):
Well, yeah, it was for what, 75%?
SPEAKER_04 (08:54):
No, it was only about a third of the population.
A third of the population gotwiped out, or a third was left.
I think a third got wiped out.
SPEAKER_00 (09:03):
Yeah, I think it was something like 25 to 50% was
wiped out.
SPEAKER_04 (09:07):
It was it was quite a lot.
It made a really big like youjust you see this like tunk go
down in the number of people whowere in Europe at that time.
SPEAKER_00 (09:17):
Which is interesting.
If if you ever get a chance tosee like some of the things that
people were doing because theythought it was the end of the
world, one of the things thatthey would do is they would
march around as the centers andthey would slap themselves with
uh whips, and they would slapthemselves and they would beat
themselves basically as a giftto God, trying to be forgiven
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for their sins and and trying tosave the world.
SPEAKER_04 (09:44):
Mmm.
Sound like fun people to have ata party.
SPEAKER_00 (09:49):
But the the beauty of that is the fact that they
would slap themselves and theywould bleed, which was only
spreading the black plague thatmuch more.
Uh yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (10:04):
What is listening?
SPEAKER_00 (10:06):
Well, doctors also didn't know back then, but well,
yeah, that that's where you hadcrow-looking doctors with the uh
the diamond in the eye.
SPEAKER_04 (10:15):
Yeah, but the the plague mask actually was an
attempt to do something.
You know why they have thoselong noses, right?
SPEAKER_00 (10:25):
I know they they had the diamond in the eye because
they they thought that if theyeven looked at the patient that
they would get it.
I didn't know about the longnose.
SPEAKER_04 (10:34):
So you have yeah, you have that long beak because
they thought it was this I Iforget the word that they used,
but it was, you know, somethingbad spirit, whatever, in the
air.
And so the whole point of havingthat long nose was that you
could put like stuff in it, someherbs or something.
Which, you know, theoreticallyactually kind of could have done
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if it had been actually spreadin the air, which it wasn't.
But you know, that I that idea,like that is an early attempt to
be like, hey, this is beingpassed around.
If it's something that youbreathe in, evil spirit or not,
how can I not breathe it in?
SPEAKER_00 (11:12):
Interesting.
Oh God.
February 1st, 1524, a group ofastrologers in London predicted
the end of the world would endby a flood causing 20,000 people
in London to move to highergrounds.
SPEAKER_04 (11:32):
I'm sure that didn't cause any chaos.
SPEAKER_00 (11:35):
No, no, not at all.
Christopher Columbus.
That mofo?
Yeah, that mofo.
I I was surprised to see thisname come up.
So in 1501, nine years after hisvoyage to America, he wrote a
book and he was saying that theworld was created in 5343 BCE
(12:02):
and would last 7,000 years.
So assuming that no year zero,the end of the world would be in
1658.
SPEAKER_04 (12:11):
Okay, I I get it that he did some cool stuff uh
uh discovering the new world,but I'm not sure what reason
that gives us to believe himwhen he's like the world's gonna
end.
SPEAKER_00 (12:26):
Like Well, you know what?
I again at least he did it whereit was a hundred years after he
died.
SPEAKER_04 (12:35):
Yeah, he he did follow that rule, so nobody can
get mad at him.
He gets a point.
SPEAKER_00 (12:44):
Probably the only point that he's the only one.
Uh so kind of going up togetting up to speed here of
present day, because I I thoughtall these were were pretty
fascinating.
One person in particular, and Iremember this because this was
(13:07):
in when I was in ninth grade,and I remember my history
teacher, he was going off aboutlike how uh he was actually
talking about like how peopleraptures and everything like
that, and how people were makingpredictions, and he showed us a
news article from the weekend,and it was from this guy here.
(13:29):
His name is Egar Weisenat, andso he made he may have made a
couple mistakes here and there.
SPEAKER_03 (13:39):
Just a few.
SPEAKER_00 (13:42):
So his first prediction was September 11th
through the 13th, 1988.
That one didn't come true, sothen it was October 3rd, 1988.
Then that one didn't come true,September 30th, 1989, then he
just kind of said, 1993 is gonnasometime, 1994 sometime.
SPEAKER_04 (14:05):
I why do people not realize?
I mean, you look, we're allallowed to be wrong about stuff.
That's perfectly fine that youknow you think you've seen
something, you're like, aha,it's gonna be this.
But after like the second orthird time, like why did these
people continue to havecredibility?
SPEAKER_00 (14:20):
You know what?
I don't get that either.
And and here's one because I'msure that you remember this one.
Do you remember May 21st, 2011?
SPEAKER_02 (14:31):
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
SPEAKER_00 (14:33):
So remember how that was all over and everybody was
freaked out and things likethat.
So he made a few mistakes priorto that.
Howard Camping is his name.
The first prediction wasSeptember 6, 1994, September
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29th, 1994, October 2nd, 1995,March 1996, and then he came up
with May 21st, 2011.
SPEAKER_04 (15:06):
I do like that he skipped a bunch of years in
there.
SPEAKER_00 (15:10):
Yeah, he he I guess he he he went into hiding for a
little bit and was like, oh, youknow, maybe I shouldn't just
keep on doing this.
SPEAKER_04 (15:17):
That would be good right now, but I rapture.
SPEAKER_00 (15:20):
And I remember this one because I I saw it on
billboards and things like that.
SPEAKER_04 (15:27):
Well, social media was also a thing at that time.
Like I remember us joking aboutit in university.
SPEAKER_00 (15:34):
Yep.
I remember I was working at MadMex at the time, and I had to be
there on that day, and it wasfunny because I remember my
mentor and I we were laughingabout oh, you know, it's gonna
suck if we entered the world andwe're here at Mad Max and blah
(15:54):
blah blah ha ha ha.
And it was supposed to happen atsix o'clock, and I remember it
was six o'clock because he cameout at six o'clock and he's
like, Well, I guess it's notgonna happen.
And the moment he said that,like, it was like a cloudy day,
and the cloud just covered thesun.
And we had that like half asecond because then the cloud,
like, you know, can continued,but there was that half a second
(16:17):
that we like looked at eachother and we were like, Oh shit.
Fuck.
SPEAKER_04 (16:26):
But no, you were saved again.
SPEAKER_00 (16:28):
But yes, yes, we were saved again.
Then his thing was that oh well,May 21st, 2011, that was
judgment day where God wasjudging us and and trying to
figure out who to who to bringup because you know, I'm sure
God was saying, like, yeah, youknow, the end of the world.
And God probably did what we doand and just had ADHD and was
(16:51):
just like, oh shit.
I should have made my list bynow, but uh, let me make it now.
Fuck.
SPEAKER_04 (16:59):
And then got distracted and wandered off and
did something else.
SPEAKER_00 (17:02):
Yeah.
So then the actual day ofreckoning was October 21st,
2011.
Ah, good times, good times.
And then, of course, we had themind counters of 12, 21, 2012.
(17:23):
And the thing about that wasthat people who actually knew
the mind counters, they theykept on saying, like, no, this
is not the end of the world,this is just you know, a new
beginning of the world, youknow, like uh, but people that
was supposed to be like the Imean, that was all over the
place as well.
SPEAKER_04 (17:43):
Yep, I remember that one too vividly.
SPEAKER_00 (17:48):
And then here we are today, Joshua Malika, September
23rd through the 24th, and thenit was revived to today, October
6th of 2025.
And that was it was he is apreacher in Africa, and somebody
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picked it up on TikTok, and uhhe actually started the trend of
Rapture Talk.
Hashtag RaptureTalk and itspread like wildfire.
I didn't hear about it, and andI know that we talked about
this.
I didn't hear about it untilmaybe like three or four days
prior.
SPEAKER_04 (18:30):
No, all of a sudden it just exploded onto my side of
things, my side of the internet.
Like it got off of Rapture Talkand it got into mainstream.
And then people were fascinatedby it, and so it spread like
wildfire.
But I don't know, do you knowwhen he actually made that
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prediction?
SPEAKER_00 (18:51):
I don't know when he made the prediction.
It didn't say when he made theprediction, it was just he made
the prediction for September23rd, 24th.
SPEAKER_04 (19:00):
Okay.
I was just curious if we knewlike how long it took.
I would guess that you know, ifhe was smart enough to hashtag
RaptureTalk it, that itcertainly wasn't that long ago.
SPEAKER_00 (19:13):
Yeah, I mean TikTok's only been around for
what well, it became mainstream2020.
SPEAKER_03 (19:20):
It was a little bit before.
SPEAKER_00 (19:22):
Well, it started in 2018, I think it was, but it
didn't really pick up until 2020when.
SPEAKER_04 (19:28):
Well, yeah, it's only everybody was sitting at
home.
SPEAKER_00 (19:30):
Yeah.
Ah, but one of the things, Imean, of course we cannot have
an episode about makingpredictions without our homeboy.
You know who I'm gonna bring up,right?
SPEAKER_03 (19:45):
Nope, don't do it.
SPEAKER_00 (19:46):
Nostradamus.
SPEAKER_03 (19:49):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (19:52):
So he wrote a passage uh stating the king of
terror would come from the skyin 1999 and seven months.
So a lot of people werepredicting July of 1999.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (20:07):
That's when my sister had a birthday, so well,
rapture for some people.
SPEAKER_00 (20:18):
Only kidding, CEO.
Don't beat me up later.
And then this was another onethat that I I was surprised
about.
Isaac Newton.
SPEAKER_04 (20:35):
Really?
He got into the whole end of theworld bullshit.
SPEAKER_00 (20:40):
He was going with the the 2000 years of Christ,
and that the rapture would beginin 2000, and he wrote about it
in his book, Observations UponProphecies of Daniel and the
Apocalypse of St.
John.
SPEAKER_04 (21:01):
Again, I just you're not what what authority do you
have to make these predictions?
SPEAKER_00 (21:09):
Well, I mean, he did have the authority to ruin a lot
of college students' lives.
SPEAKER_02 (21:15):
That's true.
SPEAKER_00 (21:19):
I have to take fucking calculus?
Fucking Isaac Newton.
Bastard.
That's true.
So apparently he did have somekind of authority there.
SPEAKER_04 (21:32):
Yeah, yeah.
Calculus and physics are alittle different from like end
of the world, though.
SPEAKER_03 (21:38):
I personally feel like.
Maybe I'm wrong.
SPEAKER_00 (21:42):
So I mean, all these these these were religious end
of the world and everything likethat.
So not to just pick on religion.
We also have, I'm sure.
Fucking that, you're I hate you.
SPEAKER_01 (22:00):
I didn't even do anything.
SPEAKER_00 (22:05):
So, okay, do you I know you know, I know you
remembered Y2K, but did you didyou really feel the impact of
it?
Or were you still too young tolike really?
SPEAKER_04 (22:16):
I was still too young to really pick up on most
of what was going on.
I mean, also that coupled withthe fact that, you know, I had
no TV, so I wasn't seeing stuffthere in unsupervised
environments.
But it, you know, it it crossedmy register in terms of hearing
people talk about it.
Like my my great aunt had somepeople who uh a group of people
(22:40):
who we always called the fakeAmish, they were convinced Y2K,
end of the world.
Like they just they packed uptheir stuff, they were like, All
right, we're we're finishingeverything up because the
world's going to end.
And apparently they were justlike sitting there like
twinkling their thumbs, and thenthe world didn't end, and
they're they just they wentabout their business again.
Like nothing had ever happened,except they they had absolutely
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been preparing for the end ofthe world.
That is what sticks in my mind,because I was like, who does
that?
Even even nine-year-old me waslike, I don't I don't think
that's right, man.
SPEAKER_00 (23:13):
So for for those who don't remember, and and a
refresh for for those of us whoare old enough to remember, uh
basically Y2K bug, it was theidea that computers used the
last two numbers of the year.
SPEAKER_04 (23:30):
So 98 and 99, and then 00 was gonna just like wipe
it clean and yeah, everything'sgonna explode.
SPEAKER_00 (23:41):
So, I mean, uh they they you know, planes from from
the sky that anything that usedcomputers, which even in 1999
was basically everything,everything was gonna crash, a
market was gonna crash.
So it wasn't the end of theworld as far as like an
explosion or the god coming downand destroying the world or
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anything like that, but it wasmore the idea that it was going
to be this computer thing thatthat was gonna crash us as a
society.
SPEAKER_04 (24:13):
That one I will give a tiny it gets two points
because it's gotta be aboveColumbus.
But I I can see where peoplewere coming from with that one.
Planes falling out of the sky,no.
But the you know, the computers,the ATMs, like all that type of
(24:34):
stuff, I can see why peoplewould think legitimately that
like this change, this you know,you put in a zero, zero, well,
zero means nothing.
You know, is it going toregister that this is a year?
Is it gonna go completely blank,like really confusing?
I I can see why people wereworried and upset about that to
(24:55):
an extent.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:57):
I I I can see why too.
And and because like, yeah, itwas more the idea that it was
just gonna be data that was justkind of deleted off.
And I know I was even so I wouldhave been 19 at that time, and I
was like, okay, I remember notworrying it about it so much,
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but it was still kind of therein the back of my mind.
A little bit more than like alittle a little bit more than
than like you know, the the myencounter where I was like,
yeah, maybe, but no, I reallydon't see it.
Yeah.
But yeah, I mean, so that onehad like legit to it.
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But I mean, science, you know, Idon't know about you, but I know
like on my feed I see all thetime about the the asteroids,
you know, like I see all thetime of you know, oh, the
scientist has discovered anotherasteroid and it's heading right
towards Earth, and it's justlike, no, it it's gonna be a
missing us.
Yes, yes, this can be, you know,as opposed to uh space, is it's
(26:07):
a couple million miles away, butin in in terms of space, that's
pretty damn close.
SPEAKER_04 (26:14):
Yeah, I think we're safe though.
SPEAKER_00 (26:17):
But but I see this all the time, like, and it's
legit like science Facebookpages and things like that.
But they they do like theclickbait asteroid heading
towards Earth, and it's justlike, oh shit.
Oh, it's gonna be like, youknow, 43 million miles away.
SPEAKER_04 (26:37):
Or they're like, oh, this one could hit, you know, in
like 3,000 years.
You're like, that is not myproblem.
I'm gonna be real honest.
SPEAKER_00 (26:48):
Uh another one, and this is okay, so this is one
that I do fall into every nowand then, is the like the AI and
Terminators and things likethat.
I know even Stephen Hawkins,he's also made that that
prediction that we need to putlike limits now on AI because if
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we go too far, that AI is gonnapick up and take over the world.
But the thing is, is that we wehave no idea.
You know, like is there thatpossibility?
Yes, but I mean, especially theAI that we have today, I'm
loving it.
Two dogs that are doing apodcast.
(27:34):
My absolute favorite.
I mean, you can't get life, doesnot get better than seeing two
dogs doing a podcast.
SPEAKER_04 (27:43):
Especially when they have a cat on as a guest.
SPEAKER_00 (27:48):
Oh so yes, I think AI is bringing us wonderful,
beautiful things, but yes, thereis a chance that once AI does
become true AI, it might pick upthat we are the enemy and start
trying to destroy us.
But at the same time, we'relooking at things through human
eyes.
(28:08):
And as you know, with thingslike that, it is funny that
scientists had just discoveredthat dogs have self-realization.
And the thing that was making itso hard is that when the tests
that they do to see if like ananimal is able to have
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self-realization, is thatthey'll have them put like a
they'll they'll put like a doton their head.
And when the animal seesthemselves in the mirror, if
they're they're looking at thatdot and and they're trying to
you know get rid of it, they cansay that, oh, well, you know,
the dog sees himself andrecognizes himself and is trying
(28:54):
to remove the dot off of hishead.
Dogs wouldn't do that.
But they realize that dogs areable to self-re recognize
because their scent.
So dogs see the world throughtheir nose.
You put a dot on the dog's head,and they're like, okay, that
(29:14):
that's fucking great.
Um I'm gonna lick my butt now.
Um but if you put like theirscent down, they're gonna
recognize that oh, this is myscent.
SPEAKER_03 (29:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (29:25):
So so the fact that that we're looking through
things or looking at AI throughthe eyes of humans, we have no
fucking clue of like what AI isgonna say.
If if AI is gonna be like, hey,look, you know, we want a better
world, and we see us workingtogether towards this better
world.
Because again, we're looking atthings at human eyes, and
(29:49):
unfortunately, human eyes aremeant for destroying ourselves.
So our first instinct is oh mygod, this is.
Gonna be destroying us.
SPEAKER_03 (30:02):
Because we would have destroyed it.
SPEAKER_00 (30:06):
And so, yes, I I do fall into the the Terminator
saying that AI is gonna becomeTerminators.
Chances are we don't know.
SPEAKER_04 (30:14):
I don't know.
Feed enough 4chan.
SPEAKER_00 (30:19):
Oh God.
Well, I mean, hopefully, if itgets to the point of actually
being intelligent enough that itwill realize that 4chan is not
all of us.
SPEAKER_03 (30:33):
One can only hope.
SPEAKER_00 (30:37):
There's also predictions of the end of the
world because of climate change,which it's if you don't know
this, climate change is real.
SPEAKER_04 (30:48):
But but it still snows in the winter.
SPEAKER_00 (30:55):
But here's the thing is that I again, like a lot of
us put this end of the worldthat I I've heard that
scientists have said that if wedon't do something within the
next year, we're gonna hit thatpoint that there's no recovery,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I mean, we we don't knowthat for a fact.
(31:15):
Hopefully, hopefully thatdoesn't happen, but at the same
time, they were also saying thatthere's a hole in the ozone, and
it's never gonna we have to savethe ozone because whatever is
damaged now is never gonna comeback.
And it turns out that we havedone things to lower the carbon
(31:37):
footprint, and it's healing.
SPEAKER_04 (31:40):
This is true.
We we stopped using eightgallons of hairspray a day, like
in the 80s, and magicallyAustralia's doing a little bit
better.
SPEAKER_00 (31:52):
Now, you know, and finally, here's the thing is did
you ever hear of this, the doomcity clock?
SPEAKER_04 (32:00):
Yes, yeah, so they periodically update it.
We're always what like sixseconds or something away, and
they'll move and like it's fiveseconds away.
SPEAKER_00 (32:10):
Well, thankfully, we're not that close.
Uh, we've never been that close.
We're five.
SPEAKER_04 (32:15):
I know we are actually close, though.
It's like minutes, I think.
SPEAKER_00 (32:19):
Uh well, I'll I'll get to that in a second.
Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
Don't you jump ahead.
SPEAKER_03 (32:25):
Hurry up.
SPEAKER_00 (32:27):
So Doomsday Clock, it started in 1947, and it was
started by a lot of people fromthe Manhattan Project, the the
project that made the firstatomic bomb.
And USA, USA.
SPEAKER_04 (32:48):
With the help of a whole bunch of foreign
scientists.
Oopsie.
SPEAKER_03 (32:53):
What?
SPEAKER_00 (32:53):
From a bunch of immigrants.
Oh.
Oh no.
SPEAKER_04 (32:59):
The immigrants stealing our jobs, making our
bombs.
SPEAKER_00 (33:04):
So 1947, it was seven minutes to midnight.
We got pre-damn close in 1953.
Two minutes to midnight when theSoviet and the US arm race
started.
It got to 12 minutes in 1963because of the whole Cuban
(33:26):
missile crisis when the US andRoger Fox are like, oh shit,
we're we're we're we almost uhyou know exploded the world a
couple times over.
Uh maybe we need to calm down alittle.
unknown (33:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (33:44):
They made a a pact between the US and the USSR.
1991 was actually the furthestthat we've had since the
beginning of the doomsday clock.
It was at 17 minutes after thearm production pact.
And 1998, it went back down nineminutes when India and Pakistan
(34:10):
started making nuclear weapons,and also US and Russia started
having problems reducing theirstockpile.
In 2017, it went down to two anda half minutes because uh
everything from North Koreahaving nuclear arms testing
since 2006, Trump's views onclimate change, and then a
(34:33):
renewed arms race between the USand Russia, all that combined
together, we were down to twoand a half minutes.
And here we are the closest inJanuary of 2025 at 89 seconds.
SPEAKER_04 (34:50):
Oh damn, so it's just under a minute and a half.
SPEAKER_00 (34:54):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (35:00):
I mean, yeah, that that feels about accurate.
SPEAKER_00 (35:06):
So yeah, I mean, it's and the thing is like,
okay, again, like all this iscausing panic and things like
that.
And so obviously, here at theToxic Cooking Show is not just
fun and and and doomsdayprophecies, but also being able
(35:28):
to talk about the horribleimpacts that that these things
have.
So there's two names I left out.
One you'll probably well, oneyou definitely know of, one you
may have heard of when I wasgoing down that list of
different uh prophecies thatwere made.
(35:49):
Let me see if you can guess thisone.
So it was a a prophecy made by apreacher in 1967.
SPEAKER_04 (35:58):
I have no idea.
I might recognize the name, butnot based off of just that.
SPEAKER_00 (36:07):
Jim Jones.
SPEAKER_04 (36:09):
Oh.
SPEAKER_00 (36:11):
Yeah.
Yeah, I didn't know that name.
SPEAKER_03 (36:13):
That Jim Jones.
SPEAKER_00 (36:16):
So Jim Jones, he made a prophecy of the end of
the world and that it was gonnahappen in 1967.
And this kind of goes with yourwhole thing of like, how do
people make mistakes?
You know, this type of mistake,and still kind of get away with
things.
And it wasn't until 1978 thatthe the Jim Jones mass suicide
(36:37):
happened.
Another name is Sun Sun Moon.
Have you ever heard that?
SPEAKER_04 (36:45):
I don't think so, no.
SPEAKER_00 (36:46):
So he was a preacher from North Korea.
You might have heard uh the thequote Moonies.
SPEAKER_04 (36:56):
I don't think so.
SPEAKER_00 (36:58):
So basically, he had this huge following.
So he claimed to be the Jesusreincarnated, and that he he had
a lot of people devoted to him.
It was started in so he was inNorth Korea, he started
preaching the the gospel, andI'm sure you know how well that
(37:21):
would have gone over in NorthKorea.
SPEAKER_04 (37:23):
Fantastic.
I I'm no problems.
SPEAKER_00 (37:28):
So so unfortunately, uh North Korea doesn't look too
highly on the gospel orpreaching the gospel, and he
went to a prison camp.
And he got uh re-educated, so tosay.
SPEAKER_02 (37:43):
Oopsies.
SPEAKER_00 (37:46):
So he took all that knowledge that that he learned
of how to brainwash people, andwhen he escaped from North
Korea, went to South Korea, hestarted his own religion, and by
the book of the North Koreanlabor camps, he started uh
(38:07):
gathering people, startedbrainwashing them, and so he
basically he preached uh uhChristianity and he got a lot of
following, and what he would dois he would he slept with a lot
of young women to purify them.
Oh, of course, yeah, of course,and then also he had a lot of
(38:32):
following, so he would have hisfollowers raise money for the
church and donate them to ordonate that money to him.
He mass marr married a bunch ofpeople that were handpicked from
him of who could marry who, andthese people would live in like
(38:54):
absolute shitholes, and it evenpeople here in the United
States, a lot of people followedhim here, and that that's where
like the the term Mooney camefrom, and so he was when he at
one point he was worth sixhundred million dollars because
of all these people that wereraising money donating to the
(39:15):
the church, uh his wallet, yep,wow, why they were living in
absolute like ruins.
I mean, one of the things isthat some of the negative
effects of these prophecies isit's not just fun little oops, I
made a mistake.
You know, the end of the worlddidn't happen today.
SPEAKER_04 (39:37):
Oh well.
SPEAKER_00 (39:39):
People donate their life, like there were stories in
2011 during that that wholething of May 21st that people uh
sold off all their belongingsand everything like that, and
donated to this guy, and theywere paying for like the
billboards and things like that.
And then the end of the worlddoesn't happen, and here they
(40:01):
are, no savings, no housebecause they they sold off their
house and everything.
SPEAKER_04 (40:06):
No job because they quit.
SPEAKER_00 (40:09):
And they're just kind of you know, this this guy
is not gonna use that money thathe got to take care of them.
So it's like, oops, I was wrong.
Good luck to you.
Suckers.
And the worst part about it isnothing's gonna or nothing
happened to him.
SPEAKER_04 (40:25):
Yeah.
Yeah, he's still out there.
SPEAKER_00 (40:28):
Well, he's dead now, but yeah, he was taken off of uh
radio.
Well, I mean, big whoop, he hegot millions of dollars.
SPEAKER_04 (40:41):
Yeah, at that point it's too late.
Like the damage is already done,his name is out there, and you
know, people don't know,especially now, you know, with
social media, you can takesomebody, you can deplatform
them from somewhere, but thatdoesn't actually stop the idea
and like the toxicity of it fromspreading everywhere as people
talk about it.
And I mean, look, we didn't evenI didn't even know the name of
(41:03):
the guy who started the currentrapture trend.
Like that that got forgottencompletely along the way, and it
just got you know created itsown wave of destruction.
SPEAKER_00 (41:18):
And then on top of that, I mean, you look at things
where, like I said, uh duringthe the Black Plague, where
people were they were walkingthe streets, they were carrying
a cross on their back, so theywere punishing themselves,
literally punishing themselves,because they felt that God was
punishing them, and if theypunished themselves, that God
(41:40):
would forgive them, and andagain, because of this
punishment that they would sendto themselves, they were
whipping themselves in the back,and they were you know replaying
the the crucifixion crucifixionof Jesus, and therefore they
were bleeding all over thestreets.
And how is the black plague uhspread?
(42:03):
So now you have you know ratswho are are coming out and
they're picking up this bloodand even spraying it that much
worse.
Yum yum yum.
SPEAKER_04 (42:15):
Good times, good times.
SPEAKER_00 (42:19):
Then you have Jim Jones, and I mean that was the
largest mass suicide ever.
It was over 900 people, I thinkit was 930 people.
SPEAKER_04 (42:31):
Isn't that where the like drink the Kool-Aid comes
from?
SPEAKER_00 (42:35):
Yeah, yeah.
And and the worst part is so Ifound out it wasn't it was a you
know, like kind of like aKool-Aid drink, but it wasn't
actually Kool-Aid itself.
SPEAKER_04 (42:48):
That makes me feel mildly better.
SPEAKER_00 (42:52):
So uh so Kool-Aid got like a uh bad rep with it.
Even though it was it was like apowdered drink or whatever, but
it wasn't Kool-Aid.
But yeah, Kool-Aid uh poorKool-Aid.
This is the first time that Ifeel bad for the Kool-Aid being.
SPEAKER_03 (43:11):
Right.
First and only.
SPEAKER_00 (43:13):
I think after getting that kind of rap, I
think uh I wouldn't care aboutbusting through people's walls
too much either.
SPEAKER_04 (43:18):
Good point.
Good point.
SPEAKER_00 (43:25):
So yeah, it's people selling off belongings, people
are like killing themselves,people kind of having that smugg
attitude of like, I'm going toheaven and you're gonna be here,
and because I'm such a goodperson, and it's just like, shut
the fuck up.
Uh so I mean, with all thatbeing said, like where where
(43:50):
where do you think we should gofrom here?
SPEAKER_04 (43:52):
I mean I don't want to say question everything, but
maybe maybe just let's use somecommon sense because there's a
certain validity to sciencesaying, hey, if we keep doing
what we're doing, we can causeirreversible damage, and that
may, you know, we don't knowwhat's gonna happen after that,
(44:14):
but it's probably not gonna begood.
I think there's some validity tothat type of thing to just be
watching for like what mighthappen that's really bad that we
can stop, or you know, trackingbe like there could be a
gigantic volcanic explosion.
Okay, that's that's just kind ofgood to know, maybe back, very,
(44:35):
very back of the mind type thingto keep there.
We don't need to be talkingabout it all the time.
I I think people like to use itas cheap engagement because it's
something that's likeYellowstone's gonna explode and
take out half of the US.
That's that's fun.
You know, we like to think aboutthat.
So there's but there there'ssome there's some validity to
(44:56):
knowing that.
I think when it gets into thereligious aspect of it, just
really, really, really, really,really.
SPEAKER_00 (45:05):
Really?
SPEAKER_04 (45:06):
Really, you use a little bit of common sense here
at this point, you know.
You you really should be askingyourself, who is this person who
is making a prophecy?
What is their background?
Why are they saying this?
Like what is what how have theygotten to this date?
What's in it for them to saythis?
(45:27):
You should always be questioningthat because theoretically, you
know, if you're somebody who'svery religious, I could see
where you could say, you know,there could be prophets among
us.
And so you can't just discounteveryone, but just use a little
common sense here or there.
Maybe, you know, don't goselling your car or quitting
your job.
And then for people who don'tactually believe in it, stop
(45:51):
posting this fucking shit.
Stop reposting it.
Stop.
Oh my god.
You're the reason it got so far.
If you would just let it staywith the religious nutwings, we
would not be here, but youspread it because it's funny,
and then you're you know, you'vegot people who are posting like
(46:11):
18 different videos about thisstuff.
It's like, all right, guys, comeon, chill, chill, chill, chill.
One would have been okay.
SPEAKER_00 (46:22):
I I think that us as people like are we are
fascinated by like the end ofthe world.
SPEAKER_02 (46:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (46:29):
I know, like there's this one video that I really,
really love, and and I hate tosay it goes into the the end of
the universe.
Like scientific end of theuniverse, where we have
quadrillions upon quadrillionsupon quadrillions of years
(46:49):
before that happens.
But it it breaks it down to likewhat happens when uh all the
suns and and stars explode, andwhat happens when you know those
things cool off and they breakdown and everything is swallowed
up by black holes, and gettingdown to the part where particles
(47:10):
even start to break break apart.
And then there's the the bigfreeze where the universe just
is an empty void that just keepsexpanding.
And it's fascinating, buthopefully not for a couple more
years that's gonna happen.
Uh but like you hear about itall the time, like you know, and
(47:30):
that's why like the clickbait ofthere's an asteroid heading
towards the earth, and they getso many clicks.
The the sun's gonna explode infive billion years, and so I
mean, I think that our curiosityof how it's gonna end needs to
be kind of checked up on, andit's just like, okay, look,
(47:50):
rather than spending your lifewaiting for the end or trying to
figure out how it's gonna end,just enjoy the fucking day.
SPEAKER_04 (47:58):
Okay, I have to apologize to you.
SPEAKER_00 (47:59):
Spend some time with your doggy.
SPEAKER_04 (48:02):
Do you have to apologize to you really quick?
When you said video, I thoughtyou were gonna say the hockey so
the what?
Do you not know yet you knowthis video?
This is from like the early daysof the internet, it's like the
end of the world, and it startsoff with hockey so.
And there's France and France isthe tired.
It's like, okay, go take a nap.
Then fires he missiles.
(48:23):
Come on.
SPEAKER_00 (48:27):
I vaguely remember that.
God, the internet.
Good times.
But yes, I I think the internetlike definitely is spread around
very quickly, the the whole endof the world bullshit.
And it's just like that combinedwith our our fascination of how
things are gonna end andsomething like this.
(48:50):
I mean, I mean it went from zeroto like a hundred within like a
couple of days.
Like, I heard nothing about it.
Like, usually, usually likeanything else, I'll see like one
or two memes, like even like thelizard thing, like it exploded.
SPEAKER_04 (49:06):
Yeah.
But there was a brief momentwhere it was like a couple of
days of lizard, lizard, lizard,lizard, lizard.
SPEAKER_00 (49:18):
And then all of a sudden, like, you know, like you
know, uh a week later, it wasall around.
And between you and I just saideach other like non-stop.
Lizard, lizard, lizard.
Yeah.
So on our scale of toxicity,where would you rank this?
(49:41):
Would you put this at a greenpotato where you just shave off
the green and it's okay?
Would you say that this is adeathcap mushroom where 50-50
shot of getting killed, or wouldyou say that this is antifreeze,
a delightful last meal?
SPEAKER_04 (49:56):
Hmm.
I am going to split end of theworld prophecies into two
categories because I thinkthey're really different.
One is the based on fact, andone is the religion slash cult.
The based on fact, end of theworld prophecies, I'm gonna give
(50:17):
a green potato because I thinkpeople go overboard, I think
people get very clickbaity withthem, but it is it is something
we should be thinking about, youknow, even with AI.
If we just completely ignore it,we're like, that will never,
ever, ever happen.
It, you know, it's justsomething to consider, something
to think about.
Yellowstone exploding, somethingto maybe be aware of.
(50:40):
Like, we know this could happen,what's going on, what's going on
with the asteroids?
Like, yeah, within reason.
Is that that that one just youknow, kind of within reason,
guys.
The religion slash cult in theworld prophecies, I'm going to
give antifreeze because peopleget extreme real, real fast.
(51:02):
Either you've got like a supercrazy cult leader who may or may
not know what they're doing,like they may be doing this on
purpose, or they may be sodelusional that like they're
following the voices that tellthem to do this.
Either way, people literally endup dead because of this type of
thing.
You know, best case scenario,maybe you just you sold your car
(51:24):
and you quit your job, which Idon't know why you would do,
because you're getting raptured,right?
So if you're getting raptured,you don't need all these things,
so why would you sell your car?
Because you don't need themoney.
SPEAKER_00 (51:38):
Well, I would think that, I mean, in the case of
2011, my my boss and I, we weboth if we were to get raptured,
uh, the last place that we wouldwant to be raptured at is Mad
Max.
It's true.
SPEAKER_04 (51:53):
But the whole point, I mean, this whole rapture,
there's this, there's stuffabout like you need to be
standing and you need to bedoing this, and you know when
you get raptured, certain stuffdoesn't come with you, right?
Like your glasses aren't comingwith you if you get raptured.
That's not my problem.
I'm pretty sure the fillings inyour teeth don't get raptured
either.
Like, there's a whole bunch ofthings.
SPEAKER_00 (52:15):
I did not I did not know that people thought about
all this.
SPEAKER_04 (52:18):
Yes, yes, they have thought about all it's like the
m the natural something.
So it's like you're gonna seelike a pile of clothing and some
like little you know goldfillings or something because
the person got raptured.
You know, that that's the bestcase scenario.
You believe it and you'resitting at home, like in
position, you know, standingthere waiting for it to happen,
(52:41):
and it it it doesn't, and thenmaybe you have to go buy your
car again, you have to, youknow, go get a new job.
Or you do end up in a really,really bad position where people
die.
There a couple years ago inKenya, there was a pastor, I'm
pretty sure it was Kenya, who,you know, again convinced all
these people that like end timeswere coming, they had to listen
(53:03):
to him, all of that, and a wholebunch of people died because of
it.
And thankfully, he was he veryat least like went to trial.
I don't know if he went to jail.
Hopefully he did.
But it's it can get extremereally, really quickly.
You also I worry about thepeople who, you know, with this
rapture, maybe they didn'tbelieve it, believe it, like
(53:23):
they weren't into the Christianside of it, but maybe they're
suffering from delusions.
Maybe they're kind of right onthe edge of of some mental
illness, and this just kind ofpushes it over.
And now you're full ondelusional, like, yes, the
rapture's coming, and maybe Iwasn't Christian, but I'm gonna
do all these crazy things nowbecause I think the world is
ending.
I think that side is bad, bad,bad.
SPEAKER_00 (53:46):
I so I like the fact that you did break it down into
that fact and and religiousbecause I was trying to think of
at first, I was like, where thefuck would I put that?
Because yeah, I mean, i if ifbecause like I said, I mean, I I
I I watch that that video of youknow the end of times and
(54:07):
everything like that, and I Ifind it fascinating.
I don't move my life around ofsomething that's gonna happen
four trillion quadrillionbazillion years from now.
SPEAKER_04 (54:20):
I don't move my life around for something that's
gonna happen in a month.
SPEAKER_00 (54:23):
So well, as as we learned, as we learned this
morning, I don't even movearound for something that's
gonna happen in five minutes.
So how long I was sitting herewaiting for you to start the
thing.
SPEAKER_04 (54:36):
I was like, you said five minutes.
I look at my clock, I was like,fucker, it's been fifteen.
SPEAKER_00 (54:44):
So so yeah, I I'm not gonna move around for for
quadrillion bazillion years fromnow.
So yes, I I agree.
I think that if you look in thethe religious aspect that, yes,
I think that because the thingis, even with religion, is that
even even in the Bible where itkind of says that no man has the
(55:07):
knowledge that God possesses.
So the fact that even if youwant to look at it through your
own religion, that you're you'redoing something against your own
religion for this person.
SPEAKER_03 (55:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (55:19):
And you're follow following this person, and and
again, people have sold offtheir possessions, people have
quit their jobs, and it's hardto call up your boss on Monday
and be like, hey, remember whereI told you to go fuck yourself
and and that you were gonna bespending your life in an
eternity in hell?
I'm gonna need my job back.
(55:41):
Uh have you filled that positionor so yeah, I think that
definitely that's anti-freeze.
Um again, I I I agree with you100% that that the factual ones,
because the factual ones, yes.
Even the factual ones were like,you know, like oh god, I
(56:05):
remember history channel whenbefore it became like the uh the
Nazi channel.
Oh god, World War II, 24-7.
Come on, history channel.
SPEAKER_03 (56:19):
Did you know that there's more history?
Bring back Alien Sky.
SPEAKER_00 (56:25):
History didn't begin and end in 1939 to 1945.
Uh but yes, I remember back inthe day, like history channel,
like Yellowstone is gonnaexplode.
When will it explode?
Today?
Tomorrow?
A hundred thousand years fromnow.
It's like, dude, calm, calmdown, calm.
SPEAKER_03 (56:48):
I've got enough stress in my life.
I don't I don't need all thisother random stress to have to
be like, I don't need to worryabout that.
SPEAKER_00 (56:56):
And then on top of that, like the doomsday clock,
it's is it's just invoking fear.
So I would I would say thatfactual things, I would say even
that is probably maybe even adeath cap.
Because it's dependent on youknow, like the doomsday clock is
(57:17):
like, okay, yes, a lot of shit'sgoing on in in the world.
Are we microseconds from nuclearwar happening?
Maybe, maybe not.
Just keep an eye opening, justlike you said, but like don't
don't sit there and like say,like, we're 89, one second was
taken off, you know, blah, blah,blah.
We're that much closer.
SPEAKER_04 (57:38):
Like, yeah, I think sometimes quantifying it doesn't
actually help.
Right.
I think there are very fewpeople who are going to be like,
oh my god, the doomsday clock,just like we're one second
closer.
I this is my moment.
I, you know, I'm not gonna putup with this anymore.
I'm gonna do something.
I think it's far more likelythat people are gonna be like,
well, fuck.
(57:59):
Why bother trying?
I mean, I think it's good tohave, because you can't just be
like, well, nobody cares, we'renot gonna track it, but it's
it's just that moderation that Ithink a lot of the stuff is
missing.
That's like maybe pushing this24-7 is part of why we're where
we are today.
Just a little.
SPEAKER_00 (58:20):
So yeah, I I I say that factual like is either
gonna lead or it can lead topanic, but it could also just be
like fulfilling the curiosity.
And it's just like so maybe fourgreen potatoes.
SPEAKER_04 (58:37):
I'm sticking with green, yeah.
I I would say two greenpotatoes.
J just because I think it isimportant to know when this
stuff is happening, but yeah,very clickbaity.
Don't need that.
SPEAKER_00 (58:51):
So, with all that being said, thank you so much
for listening.
You can find us on Facebook,Blue Sky, Instagram, and if you
want to uh talk to us about anydoomsday prophecies that you
have, uh, you can always writeus at toxic at awesome
(59:12):
lifeskills.com.
And if there is a next week, wewill see you all next week.
And until then, I've beenChristopher Patchett, LCSW.
SPEAKER_04 (59:23):
And I've been Lindsay McLean.
Bye.
Bye.
Hi, and welcome to the Toxic Cooking Show, where we
break down toxic people to theirsimplest ingredients.
I'm your host, ChristopherPatchett, LCSW.
SPEAKER_04 (00:26):
And I'm Lindsay McLean.
SPEAKER_00 (00:28):
Well, Lindsay, we we had a two-month hiatus.
We put out one show, and nowwe're putting out our last show.
SPEAKER_04 (00:39):
Oh no.
Why?
Did you lose all of therecordings that we made?
SPEAKER_00 (00:44):
Today we're having a very special show.
unknown (00:48):
Uh-oh.
SPEAKER_00 (00:48):
Because the end of the world is today.
SPEAKER_04 (00:52):
Now now, hold on.
I thought the end of the worldhappened already.
SPEAKER_00 (00:57):
Well, well, the the the end of the world was
obviously didn't happen onSeptember 23rd, 24th.
Now it's been moved to October6th, which is why we're having a
recording coming out a dayearlier than usual.
SPEAKER_04 (01:13):
Ooh, just in time.
I love getting raptured.
SPEAKER_00 (01:17):
Well, I mean, your petty ass is still gonna be
here, and and I'll be taking upto heaven.
So unfortunately, that's whytoday is gonna be the last show.
SPEAKER_04 (01:27):
Uh I don't think you qualify.
You were supposed to be a goodperson.
I've seen the memes you send onInstagram.
SPEAKER_00 (01:36):
Ah, the Titan.
SPEAKER_03 (01:39):
The Titan.
SPEAKER_00 (01:45):
Oh God.
So yes, you know, this is theend of the world, and but the
thing is, is that this hasn'tbeen the first, nor is it the
last end of the world.
SPEAKER_01 (02:00):
Uh-oh.
SPEAKER_00 (02:03):
I did some research, and the earliest that I found of
people saying that the end ofthe world, and there was a fuck
ton of end of the worldprophecies.
SPEAKER_03 (02:15):
I am not surprised.
SPEAKER_00 (02:17):
I'm I'm talking fuck ton.
So obviously, I'm not gonna gothrough all like 10 trillion of
them, but I did pick out like abunch of ones that I thought
were actually kind ofinteresting.
And this is the the the cream ofthe crop, so to say.
(02:38):
The earlier ones that I'm gonnatalk about, God forgive me for
for mispronouncing names.
I am not very name savvy ofearlier times.
Uh-oh.
But I will try my best.
But the the first one that I'dsee here is that the Jewish
(03:01):
Esna, so to all of our Jewishlisteners, I am very, very sorry
once again.
The Jewish Esnak, and andforgive me for mispronouncing
the name, saw the Jewish uhuprising of the Romans in the in
66 AD and Judea, the final endtime battle, which would bring
(03:25):
about the arrival of theMessiah.
That was one of the very firstprophets of the end of times.
So we're going way back.
Oh wow.
And the funny thing is, is thatI tried seeing if there was
anything like prior, like youknow, like BC or whatever.
And it wasn't until Christianitycame about that that people
(03:47):
really started going for the endof the world.
So I was surprised because Ithought that there would have
been like Greek Christianity.
SPEAKER_04 (03:55):
I thought everyone would have been, yeah.
Huh.
SPEAKER_00 (03:58):
But well but go Christians.
Uh I have nothing againstChristianity.
Then uh the I mean, one of theones that I saw was oh, I'm
gonna totally screw up thisname.
Sectus Julius Africanus.
(04:21):
He was a early historian for theChristian church.
So he was actually the one whocame up with the whole idea that
the time between the creation ofthe world and Jesus' time was
5,500 years.
He was also stated that Jesuswas born in March of the spring
(04:43):
equedoc.
So the whole like December 25th,that was even stated before him.
So I know even now, like theythey say that it was probably
during this time that that hewas born because of the the
North Star Bethlehem and allthat good stuff.
SPEAKER_04 (05:03):
So well, and we know that the Romans were really good
at they would they would comealong and they'd find a group of
people and they'd be like, hey,you got a holiday here?
We also kind of have a holiday.
Let's just let's let's allcelebrate together.
Because it made people be like,okay, I guess you did conquer
me, but this is fine.
And so you just kind of likesmished everything in.
And so, yeah, there was therewould have been like a pagan
(05:23):
holiday end of what we now callDecember, and so they may have
just slapped some other shit onthere and been like, everyone
celebrates, and somehow thatjust became Jesus' birthday,
even though, yeah, it's kind ofproof it's like that there
wouldn't have been baby lambs inDecember.
SPEAKER_00 (05:40):
Right.
Not a thing.
So so yeah, this guy he came upwith the idea that the beginning
of the year the world was 550 or5,500 years ago.
So you still hear that withapologized Christians where
they're saying that the theworld is 6,000 years.
SPEAKER_03 (06:02):
This is who to blame for that.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (06:04):
This is who to blame for that.
He was alive around 160 AD, buthis prediction was for 500 AD.
SPEAKER_04 (06:13):
Okay.
That's really smart to put it uhway ahead of when you're gonna
be like well gone and dead, sono repercussions.
SPEAKER_00 (06:22):
Yeah.
I I think that's a hell of a lotsmarter because I don't want
people you know coming after meif I'm wrong.
SPEAKER_04 (06:28):
Yeah, they don't have to make up anything else
and be like, oops, I got thedates wrong.
Like I'm dead.
You can't do anything.
SPEAKER_00 (06:37):
They he chose 500 years because he was basing it
off the measurements of Noah'sArk.
I don't know how the fuck hecame up with that, but
apparently a lot of people hadthought that was true.
They followed it, and then when500 AD came about, they were
like, no, no, no, he meant this,and it was 800 AD.
SPEAKER_04 (07:00):
You know, I'm already seeing some interesting
connections here.
Fascinating.
SPEAKER_00 (07:08):
Well, here's one of the the the ones I found
fascinating.
Was so Pope Sylvester II.
That's a great name.
I know, isn't it?
Where's the third?
Come on, guys.
Uh-oh.
He was predicting that it wasgoing to be the first millennium
after Christ, so 1000 AD.
(07:30):
I thought that was kind ofinteresting because of
everything that was going on in2000, that everybody was going
off, and and we'll get intothat, I promise you.
Many Christians, once 1000 ADhappened and it passed, and the
world is still here.
A lot of Christians were like,well, no, no, no, it's it's a
thousand years after the deathof Jesus.
(07:52):
So 1033 AD.
And guess what?
We're still here.
SPEAKER_03 (08:00):
I'm shocked.
SPEAKER_00 (08:02):
And if you thought Pope Sylvester II was an
interesting name, Pope Innocent.
SPEAKER_04 (08:08):
But he wasn't innocent.
SPEAKER_00 (08:10):
Pope Innocent III predicted that 1284 being 666
years after the rise of Islam.
SPEAKER_04 (08:19):
You know, bonus points for that's a kind of fun.
You picked a thing that youthought was terrible, you gave
it the devil's number, likepoints for creativity.
SPEAKER_00 (08:28):
Yeah, I I I can't.
And that's why I was like, I Ilike the uh 666 going on there.
Try to slide it in somehow, youknow?
SPEAKER_04 (08:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's that's really good.
I like that.
SPEAKER_00 (08:41):
During the Black Plague, a lot of Europeans
predicted that the Black Plaguewas the end of the world.
SPEAKER_04 (08:49):
Kind of was for a lot of them.
SPEAKER_00 (08:51):
Well, yeah, it was for what, 75%?
SPEAKER_04 (08:54):
No, it was only about a third of the population.
A third of the population gotwiped out, or a third was left.
I think a third got wiped out.
SPEAKER_00 (09:03):
Yeah, I think it was something like 25 to 50% was
wiped out.
SPEAKER_04 (09:07):
It was it was quite a lot.
It made a really big like youjust you see this like tunk go
down in the number of people whowere in Europe at that time.
SPEAKER_00 (09:17):
Which is interesting.
If if you ever get a chance tosee like some of the things that
people were doing because theythought it was the end of the
world, one of the things thatthey would do is they would
march around as the centers andthey would slap themselves with
uh whips, and they would slapthemselves and they would beat
themselves basically as a giftto God, trying to be forgiven
(09:41):
for their sins and and trying tosave the world.
SPEAKER_04 (09:44):
Mmm.
Sound like fun people to have ata party.
SPEAKER_00 (09:49):
But the the beauty of that is the fact that they
would slap themselves and theywould bleed, which was only
spreading the black plague thatmuch more.
Uh yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (10:04):
What is listening?
SPEAKER_00 (10:06):
Well, doctors also didn't know back then, but well,
yeah, that that's where you hadcrow-looking doctors with the uh
the diamond in the eye.
SPEAKER_04 (10:15):
Yeah, but the the plague mask actually was an
attempt to do something.
You know why they have thoselong noses, right?
SPEAKER_00 (10:25):
I know they they had the diamond in the eye because
they they thought that if theyeven looked at the patient that
they would get it.
I didn't know about the longnose.
SPEAKER_04 (10:34):
So you have yeah, you have that long beak because
they thought it was this I Iforget the word that they used,
but it was, you know, somethingbad spirit, whatever, in the
air.
And so the whole point of havingthat long nose was that you
could put like stuff in it, someherbs or something.
Which, you know, theoreticallyactually kind of could have done
(10:55):
if it had been actually spreadin the air, which it wasn't.
But you know, that I that idea,like that is an early attempt to
be like, hey, this is beingpassed around.
If it's something that youbreathe in, evil spirit or not,
how can I not breathe it in?
SPEAKER_00 (11:12):
Interesting.
Oh God.
February 1st, 1524, a group ofastrologers in London predicted
the end of the world would endby a flood causing 20,000 people
in London to move to highergrounds.
SPEAKER_04 (11:32):
I'm sure that didn't cause any chaos.
SPEAKER_00 (11:35):
No, no, not at all.
Christopher Columbus.
That mofo?
Yeah, that mofo.
I I was surprised to see thisname come up.
So in 1501, nine years after hisvoyage to America, he wrote a
book and he was saying that theworld was created in 5343 BCE
(12:02):
and would last 7,000 years.
So assuming that no year zero,the end of the world would be in
1658.
SPEAKER_04 (12:11):
Okay, I I get it that he did some cool stuff uh
uh discovering the new world,but I'm not sure what reason
that gives us to believe himwhen he's like the world's gonna
end.
SPEAKER_00 (12:26):
Like Well, you know what?
I again at least he did it whereit was a hundred years after he
died.
SPEAKER_04 (12:35):
Yeah, he he did follow that rule, so nobody can
get mad at him.
He gets a point.
SPEAKER_00 (12:44):
Probably the only point that he's the only one.
Uh so kind of going up togetting up to speed here of
present day, because I I thoughtall these were were pretty
fascinating.
One person in particular, and Iremember this because this was
(13:07):
in when I was in ninth grade,and I remember my history
teacher, he was going off aboutlike how uh he was actually
talking about like how peopleraptures and everything like
that, and how people were makingpredictions, and he showed us a
news article from the weekend,and it was from this guy here.
(13:29):
His name is Egar Weisenat, andso he made he may have made a
couple mistakes here and there.
SPEAKER_03 (13:39):
Just a few.
SPEAKER_00 (13:42):
So his first prediction was September 11th
through the 13th, 1988.
That one didn't come true, sothen it was October 3rd, 1988.
Then that one didn't come true,September 30th, 1989, then he
just kind of said, 1993 is gonnasometime, 1994 sometime.
SPEAKER_04 (14:05):
I why do people not realize?
I mean, you look, we're allallowed to be wrong about stuff.
That's perfectly fine that youknow you think you've seen
something, you're like, aha,it's gonna be this.
But after like the second orthird time, like why did these
people continue to havecredibility?
SPEAKER_00 (14:20):
You know what?
I don't get that either.
And and here's one because I'msure that you remember this one.
Do you remember May 21st, 2011?
SPEAKER_02 (14:31):
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
SPEAKER_00 (14:33):
So remember how that was all over and everybody was
freaked out and things likethat.
So he made a few mistakes priorto that.
Howard Camping is his name.
The first prediction wasSeptember 6, 1994, September
(14:55):
29th, 1994, October 2nd, 1995,March 1996, and then he came up
with May 21st, 2011.
SPEAKER_04 (15:06):
I do like that he skipped a bunch of years in
there.
SPEAKER_00 (15:10):
Yeah, he he I guess he he he went into hiding for a
little bit and was like, oh, youknow, maybe I shouldn't just
keep on doing this.
SPEAKER_04 (15:17):
That would be good right now, but I rapture.
SPEAKER_00 (15:20):
And I remember this one because I I saw it on
billboards and things like that.
SPEAKER_04 (15:27):
Well, social media was also a thing at that time.
Like I remember us joking aboutit in university.
SPEAKER_00 (15:34):
Yep.
I remember I was working at MadMex at the time, and I had to be
there on that day, and it wasfunny because I remember my
mentor and I we were laughingabout oh, you know, it's gonna
suck if we entered the world andwe're here at Mad Max and blah
(15:54):
blah blah ha ha ha.
And it was supposed to happen atsix o'clock, and I remember it
was six o'clock because he cameout at six o'clock and he's
like, Well, I guess it's notgonna happen.
And the moment he said that,like, it was like a cloudy day,
and the cloud just covered thesun.
And we had that like half asecond because then the cloud,
like, you know, can continued,but there was that half a second
(16:17):
that we like looked at eachother and we were like, Oh shit.
Fuck.
SPEAKER_04 (16:26):
But no, you were saved again.
SPEAKER_00 (16:28):
But yes, yes, we were saved again.
Then his thing was that oh well,May 21st, 2011, that was
judgment day where God wasjudging us and and trying to
figure out who to who to bringup because you know, I'm sure
God was saying, like, yeah, youknow, the end of the world.
And God probably did what we doand and just had ADHD and was
(16:51):
just like, oh shit.
I should have made my list bynow, but uh, let me make it now.
Fuck.
SPEAKER_04 (16:59):
And then got distracted and wandered off and
did something else.
SPEAKER_00 (17:02):
Yeah.
So then the actual day ofreckoning was October 21st,
2011.
Ah, good times, good times.
And then, of course, we had themind counters of 12, 21, 2012.
(17:23):
And the thing about that wasthat people who actually knew
the mind counters, they theykept on saying, like, no, this
is not the end of the world,this is just you know, a new
beginning of the world, youknow, like uh, but people that
was supposed to be like the Imean, that was all over the
place as well.
SPEAKER_04 (17:43):
Yep, I remember that one too vividly.
SPEAKER_00 (17:48):
And then here we are today, Joshua Malika, September
23rd through the 24th, and thenit was revived to today, October
6th of 2025.
And that was it was he is apreacher in Africa, and somebody
(18:09):
picked it up on TikTok, and uhhe actually started the trend of
Rapture Talk.
Hashtag RaptureTalk and itspread like wildfire.
I didn't hear about it, and andI know that we talked about
this.
I didn't hear about it untilmaybe like three or four days
prior.
SPEAKER_04 (18:30):
No, all of a sudden it just exploded onto my side of
things, my side of the internet.
Like it got off of Rapture Talkand it got into mainstream.
And then people were fascinatedby it, and so it spread like
wildfire.
But I don't know, do you knowwhen he actually made that
(18:50):
prediction?
SPEAKER_00 (18:51):
I don't know when he made the prediction.
It didn't say when he made theprediction, it was just he made
the prediction for September23rd, 24th.
SPEAKER_04 (19:00):
Okay.
I was just curious if we knewlike how long it took.
I would guess that you know, ifhe was smart enough to hashtag
RaptureTalk it, that itcertainly wasn't that long ago.
SPEAKER_00 (19:13):
Yeah, I mean TikTok's only been around for
what well, it became mainstream2020.
SPEAKER_03 (19:20):
It was a little bit before.
SPEAKER_00 (19:22):
Well, it started in 2018, I think it was, but it
didn't really pick up until 2020when.
SPEAKER_04 (19:28):
Well, yeah, it's only everybody was sitting at
home.
SPEAKER_00 (19:30):
Yeah.
Ah, but one of the things, Imean, of course we cannot have
an episode about makingpredictions without our homeboy.
You know who I'm gonna bring up,right?
SPEAKER_03 (19:45):
Nope, don't do it.
SPEAKER_00 (19:46):
Nostradamus.
SPEAKER_03 (19:49):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (19:52):
So he wrote a passage uh stating the king of
terror would come from the skyin 1999 and seven months.
So a lot of people werepredicting July of 1999.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (20:07):
That's when my sister had a birthday, so well,
rapture for some people.
SPEAKER_00 (20:18):
Only kidding, CEO.
Don't beat me up later.
And then this was another onethat that I I was surprised
about.
Isaac Newton.
SPEAKER_04 (20:35):
Really?
He got into the whole end of theworld bullshit.
SPEAKER_00 (20:40):
He was going with the the 2000 years of Christ,
and that the rapture would beginin 2000, and he wrote about it
in his book, Observations UponProphecies of Daniel and the
Apocalypse of St.
John.
SPEAKER_04 (21:01):
Again, I just you're not what what authority do you
have to make these predictions?
SPEAKER_00 (21:09):
Well, I mean, he did have the authority to ruin a lot
of college students' lives.
SPEAKER_02 (21:15):
That's true.
SPEAKER_00 (21:19):
I have to take fucking calculus?
Fucking Isaac Newton.
Bastard.
That's true.
So apparently he did have somekind of authority there.
SPEAKER_04 (21:32):
Yeah, yeah.
Calculus and physics are alittle different from like end
of the world, though.
SPEAKER_03 (21:38):
I personally feel like.
Maybe I'm wrong.
SPEAKER_00 (21:42):
So I mean, all these these these were religious end
of the world and everything likethat.
So not to just pick on religion.
We also have, I'm sure.
Fucking that, you're I hate you.
SPEAKER_01 (22:00):
I didn't even do anything.
SPEAKER_00 (22:05):
So, okay, do you I know you know, I know you
remembered Y2K, but did you didyou really feel the impact of
it?
Or were you still too young tolike really?
SPEAKER_04 (22:16):
I was still too young to really pick up on most
of what was going on.
I mean, also that coupled withthe fact that, you know, I had
no TV, so I wasn't seeing stuffthere in unsupervised
environments.
But it, you know, it it crossedmy register in terms of hearing
people talk about it.
Like my my great aunt had somepeople who uh a group of people
(22:40):
who we always called the fakeAmish, they were convinced Y2K,
end of the world.
Like they just they packed uptheir stuff, they were like, All
right, we're we're finishingeverything up because the
world's going to end.
And apparently they were justlike sitting there like
twinkling their thumbs, and thenthe world didn't end, and
they're they just they wentabout their business again.
Like nothing had ever happened,except they they had absolutely
(23:02):
been preparing for the end ofthe world.
That is what sticks in my mind,because I was like, who does
that?
Even even nine-year-old me waslike, I don't I don't think
that's right, man.
SPEAKER_00 (23:13):
So for for those who don't remember, and and a
refresh for for those of us whoare old enough to remember, uh
basically Y2K bug, it was theidea that computers used the
last two numbers of the year.
SPEAKER_04 (23:30):
So 98 and 99, and then 00 was gonna just like wipe
it clean and yeah, everything'sgonna explode.
SPEAKER_00 (23:41):
So, I mean, uh they they you know, planes from from
the sky that anything that usedcomputers, which even in 1999
was basically everything,everything was gonna crash, a
market was gonna crash.
So it wasn't the end of theworld as far as like an
explosion or the god coming downand destroying the world or
(24:02):
anything like that, but it wasmore the idea that it was going
to be this computer thing thatthat was gonna crash us as a
society.
SPEAKER_04 (24:13):
That one I will give a tiny it gets two points
because it's gotta be aboveColumbus.
But I I can see where peoplewere coming from with that one.
Planes falling out of the sky,no.
But the you know, the computers,the ATMs, like all that type of
(24:34):
stuff, I can see why peoplewould think legitimately that
like this change, this you know,you put in a zero, zero, well,
zero means nothing.
You know, is it going toregister that this is a year?
Is it gonna go completely blank,like really confusing?
I I can see why people wereworried and upset about that to
(24:55):
an extent.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:57):
I I I can see why too.
And and because like, yeah, itwas more the idea that it was
just gonna be data that was justkind of deleted off.
And I know I was even so I wouldhave been 19 at that time, and I
was like, okay, I remember notworrying it about it so much,
(25:21):
but it was still kind of therein the back of my mind.
A little bit more than like alittle a little bit more than
than like you know, the the myencounter where I was like,
yeah, maybe, but no, I reallydon't see it.
Yeah.
But yeah, I mean, so that onehad like legit to it.
(25:43):
But I mean, science, you know, Idon't know about you, but I know
like on my feed I see all thetime about the the asteroids,
you know, like I see all thetime of you know, oh, the
scientist has discovered anotherasteroid and it's heading right
towards Earth, and it's justlike, no, it it's gonna be a
missing us.
Yes, yes, this can be, you know,as opposed to uh space, is it's
(26:07):
a couple million miles away, butin in in terms of space, that's
pretty damn close.
SPEAKER_04 (26:14):
Yeah, I think we're safe though.
SPEAKER_00 (26:17):
But but I see this all the time, like, and it's
legit like science Facebookpages and things like that.
But they they do like theclickbait asteroid heading
towards Earth, and it's justlike, oh shit.
Oh, it's gonna be like, youknow, 43 million miles away.
SPEAKER_04 (26:37):
Or they're like, oh, this one could hit, you know, in
like 3,000 years.
You're like, that is not myproblem.
I'm gonna be real honest.
SPEAKER_00 (26:48):
Uh another one, and this is okay, so this is one
that I do fall into every nowand then, is the like the AI and
Terminators and things likethat.
I know even Stephen Hawkins,he's also made that that
prediction that we need to putlike limits now on AI because if
(27:12):
we go too far, that AI is gonnapick up and take over the world.
But the thing is, is that we wehave no idea.
You know, like is there thatpossibility?
Yes, but I mean, especially theAI that we have today, I'm
loving it.
Two dogs that are doing apodcast.
(27:34):
My absolute favorite.
I mean, you can't get life, doesnot get better than seeing two
dogs doing a podcast.
SPEAKER_04 (27:43):
Especially when they have a cat on as a guest.
SPEAKER_00 (27:48):
Oh so yes, I think AI is bringing us wonderful,
beautiful things, but yes, thereis a chance that once AI does
become true AI, it might pick upthat we are the enemy and start
trying to destroy us.
But at the same time, we'relooking at things through human
eyes.
(28:08):
And as you know, with thingslike that, it is funny that
scientists had just discoveredthat dogs have self-realization.
And the thing that was making itso hard is that when the tests
that they do to see if like ananimal is able to have
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self-realization, is thatthey'll have them put like a
they'll they'll put like a doton their head.
And when the animal seesthemselves in the mirror, if
they're they're looking at thatdot and and they're trying to
you know get rid of it, they cansay that, oh, well, you know,
the dog sees himself andrecognizes himself and is trying
(28:54):
to remove the dot off of hishead.
Dogs wouldn't do that.
But they realize that dogs areable to self-re recognize
because their scent.
So dogs see the world throughtheir nose.
You put a dot on the dog's head,and they're like, okay, that
(29:14):
that's fucking great.
Um I'm gonna lick my butt now.
Um but if you put like theirscent down, they're gonna
recognize that oh, this is myscent.
SPEAKER_03 (29:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (29:25):
So so the fact that that we're looking through
things or looking at AI throughthe eyes of humans, we have no
fucking clue of like what AI isgonna say.
If if AI is gonna be like, hey,look, you know, we want a better
world, and we see us workingtogether towards this better
world.
Because again, we're looking atthings at human eyes, and
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unfortunately, human eyes aremeant for destroying ourselves.
So our first instinct is oh mygod, this is.
Gonna be destroying us.
SPEAKER_03 (30:02):
Because we would have destroyed it.
SPEAKER_00 (30:06):
And so, yes, I I do fall into the the Terminator
saying that AI is gonna becomeTerminators.
Chances are we don't know.
SPEAKER_04 (30:14):
I don't know.
Feed enough 4chan.
SPEAKER_00 (30:19):
Oh God.
Well, I mean, hopefully, if itgets to the point of actually
being intelligent enough that itwill realize that 4chan is not
all of us.
SPEAKER_03 (30:33):
One can only hope.
SPEAKER_00 (30:37):
There's also predictions of the end of the
world because of climate change,which it's if you don't know
this, climate change is real.
SPEAKER_04 (30:48):
But but it still snows in the winter.
SPEAKER_00 (30:55):
But here's the thing is that I again, like a lot of
us put this end of the worldthat I I've heard that
scientists have said that if wedon't do something within the
next year, we're gonna hit thatpoint that there's no recovery,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I mean, we we don't knowthat for a fact.
(31:15):
Hopefully, hopefully thatdoesn't happen, but at the same
time, they were also saying thatthere's a hole in the ozone, and
it's never gonna we have to savethe ozone because whatever is
damaged now is never gonna comeback.
And it turns out that we havedone things to lower the carbon
(31:37):
footprint, and it's healing.
SPEAKER_04 (31:40):
This is true.
We we stopped using eightgallons of hairspray a day, like
in the 80s, and magicallyAustralia's doing a little bit
better.
SPEAKER_00 (31:52):
Now, you know, and finally, here's the thing is did
you ever hear of this, the doomcity clock?
SPEAKER_04 (32:00):
Yes, yeah, so they periodically update it.
We're always what like sixseconds or something away, and
they'll move and like it's fiveseconds away.
SPEAKER_00 (32:10):
Well, thankfully, we're not that close.
Uh, we've never been that close.
We're five.
SPEAKER_04 (32:15):
I know we are actually close, though.
It's like minutes, I think.
SPEAKER_00 (32:19):
Uh well, I'll I'll get to that in a second.
Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
Don't you jump ahead.
SPEAKER_03 (32:25):
Hurry up.
SPEAKER_00 (32:27):
So Doomsday Clock, it started in 1947, and it was
started by a lot of people fromthe Manhattan Project, the the
project that made the firstatomic bomb.
And USA, USA.
SPEAKER_04 (32:48):
With the help of a whole bunch of foreign
scientists.
Oopsie.
SPEAKER_03 (32:53):
What?
SPEAKER_00 (32:53):
From a bunch of immigrants.
Oh.
Oh no.
SPEAKER_04 (32:59):
The immigrants stealing our jobs, making our
bombs.
SPEAKER_00 (33:04):
So 1947, it was seven minutes to midnight.
We got pre-damn close in 1953.
Two minutes to midnight when theSoviet and the US arm race
started.
It got to 12 minutes in 1963because of the whole Cuban
(33:26):
missile crisis when the US andRoger Fox are like, oh shit,
we're we're we're we almost uhyou know exploded the world a
couple times over.
Uh maybe we need to calm down alittle.
unknown (33:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (33:44):
They made a a pact between the US and the USSR.
1991 was actually the furthestthat we've had since the
beginning of the doomsday clock.
It was at 17 minutes after thearm production pact.
And 1998, it went back down nineminutes when India and Pakistan
(34:10):
started making nuclear weapons,and also US and Russia started
having problems reducing theirstockpile.
In 2017, it went down to two anda half minutes because uh
everything from North Koreahaving nuclear arms testing
since 2006, Trump's views onclimate change, and then a
(34:33):
renewed arms race between the USand Russia, all that combined
together, we were down to twoand a half minutes.
And here we are the closest inJanuary of 2025 at 89 seconds.
SPEAKER_04 (34:50):
Oh damn, so it's just under a minute and a half.
SPEAKER_00 (34:54):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (35:00):
I mean, yeah, that that feels about accurate.
SPEAKER_00 (35:06):
So yeah, I mean, it's and the thing is like,
okay, again, like all this iscausing panic and things like
that.
And so obviously, here at theToxic Cooking Show is not just
fun and and and doomsdayprophecies, but also being able
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to talk about the horribleimpacts that that these things
have.
So there's two names I left out.
One you'll probably well, oneyou definitely know of, one you
may have heard of when I wasgoing down that list of
different uh prophecies thatwere made.
(35:49):
Let me see if you can guess thisone.
So it was a a prophecy made by apreacher in 1967.
SPEAKER_04 (35:58):
I have no idea.
I might recognize the name, butnot based off of just that.
SPEAKER_00 (36:07):
Jim Jones.
SPEAKER_04 (36:09):
Oh.
SPEAKER_00 (36:11):
Yeah.
Yeah, I didn't know that name.
SPEAKER_03 (36:13):
That Jim Jones.
SPEAKER_00 (36:16):
So Jim Jones, he made a prophecy of the end of
the world and that it was gonnahappen in 1967.
And this kind of goes with yourwhole thing of like, how do
people make mistakes?
You know, this type of mistake,and still kind of get away with
things.
And it wasn't until 1978 thatthe the Jim Jones mass suicide
(36:37):
happened.
Another name is Sun Sun Moon.
Have you ever heard that?
SPEAKER_04 (36:45):
I don't think so, no.
SPEAKER_00 (36:46):
So he was a preacher from North Korea.
You might have heard uh the thequote Moonies.
SPEAKER_04 (36:56):
I don't think so.
SPEAKER_00 (36:58):
So basically, he had this huge following.
So he claimed to be the Jesusreincarnated, and that he he had
a lot of people devoted to him.
It was started in so he was inNorth Korea, he started
preaching the the gospel, andI'm sure you know how well that
(37:21):
would have gone over in NorthKorea.
SPEAKER_04 (37:23):
Fantastic.
I I'm no problems.
SPEAKER_00 (37:28):
So so unfortunately, uh North Korea doesn't look too
highly on the gospel orpreaching the gospel, and he
went to a prison camp.
And he got uh re-educated, so tosay.
SPEAKER_02 (37:43):
Oopsies.
SPEAKER_00 (37:46):
So he took all that knowledge that that he learned
of how to brainwash people, andwhen he escaped from North
Korea, went to South Korea, hestarted his own religion, and by
the book of the North Koreanlabor camps, he started uh
(38:07):
gathering people, startedbrainwashing them, and so he
basically he preached uh uhChristianity and he got a lot of
following, and what he would dois he would he slept with a lot
of young women to purify them.
Oh, of course, yeah, of course,and then also he had a lot of
(38:32):
following, so he would have hisfollowers raise money for the
church and donate them to ordonate that money to him.
He mass marr married a bunch ofpeople that were handpicked from
him of who could marry who, andthese people would live in like
(38:54):
absolute shitholes, and it evenpeople here in the United
States, a lot of people followedhim here, and that that's where
like the the term Mooney camefrom, and so he was when he at
one point he was worth sixhundred million dollars because
of all these people that wereraising money donating to the
(39:15):
the church, uh his wallet, yep,wow, why they were living in
absolute like ruins.
I mean, one of the things isthat some of the negative
effects of these prophecies isit's not just fun little oops, I
made a mistake.
You know, the end of the worlddidn't happen today.
SPEAKER_04 (39:37):
Oh well.
SPEAKER_00 (39:39):
People donate their life, like there were stories in
2011 during that that wholething of May 21st that people uh
sold off all their belongingsand everything like that, and
donated to this guy, and theywere paying for like the
billboards and things like that.
And then the end of the worlddoesn't happen, and here they
(40:01):
are, no savings, no housebecause they they sold off their
house and everything.
SPEAKER_04 (40:06):
No job because they quit.
SPEAKER_00 (40:09):
And they're just kind of you know, this this guy
is not gonna use that money thathe got to take care of them.
So it's like, oops, I was wrong.
Good luck to you.
Suckers.
And the worst part about it isnothing's gonna or nothing
happened to him.
SPEAKER_04 (40:25):
Yeah.
Yeah, he's still out there.
SPEAKER_00 (40:28):
Well, he's dead now, but yeah, he was taken off of uh
radio.
Well, I mean, big whoop, he hegot millions of dollars.
SPEAKER_04 (40:41):
Yeah, at that point it's too late.
Like the damage is already done,his name is out there, and you
know, people don't know,especially now, you know, with
social media, you can takesomebody, you can deplatform
them from somewhere, but thatdoesn't actually stop the idea
and like the toxicity of it fromspreading everywhere as people
talk about it.
And I mean, look, we didn't evenI didn't even know the name of
(41:03):
the guy who started the currentrapture trend.
Like that that got forgottencompletely along the way, and it
just got you know created itsown wave of destruction.
SPEAKER_00 (41:18):
And then on top of that, I mean, you look at things
where, like I said, uh duringthe the Black Plague, where
people were they were walkingthe streets, they were carrying
a cross on their back, so theywere punishing themselves,
literally punishing themselves,because they felt that God was
punishing them, and if theypunished themselves, that God
(41:40):
would forgive them, and andagain, because of this
punishment that they would sendto themselves, they were
whipping themselves in the back,and they were you know replaying
the the crucifixion crucifixionof Jesus, and therefore they
were bleeding all over thestreets.
And how is the black plague uhspread?
(42:03):
So now you have you know ratswho are are coming out and
they're picking up this bloodand even spraying it that much
worse.
Yum yum yum.
SPEAKER_04 (42:15):
Good times, good times.
SPEAKER_00 (42:19):
Then you have Jim Jones, and I mean that was the
largest mass suicide ever.
It was over 900 people, I thinkit was 930 people.
SPEAKER_04 (42:31):
Isn't that where the like drink the Kool-Aid comes
from?
SPEAKER_00 (42:35):
Yeah, yeah.
And and the worst part is so Ifound out it wasn't it was a you
know, like kind of like aKool-Aid drink, but it wasn't
actually Kool-Aid itself.
SPEAKER_04 (42:48):
That makes me feel mildly better.
SPEAKER_00 (42:52):
So uh so Kool-Aid got like a uh bad rep with it.
Even though it was it was like apowdered drink or whatever, but
it wasn't Kool-Aid.
But yeah, Kool-Aid uh poorKool-Aid.
This is the first time that Ifeel bad for the Kool-Aid being.
SPEAKER_03 (43:11):
Right.
First and only.
SPEAKER_00 (43:13):
I think after getting that kind of rap, I
think uh I wouldn't care aboutbusting through people's walls
too much either.
SPEAKER_04 (43:18):
Good point.
Good point.
SPEAKER_00 (43:25):
So yeah, it's people selling off belongings, people
are like killing themselves,people kind of having that smugg
attitude of like, I'm going toheaven and you're gonna be here,
and because I'm such a goodperson, and it's just like, shut
the fuck up.
Uh so I mean, with all thatbeing said, like where where
(43:50):
where do you think we should gofrom here?
SPEAKER_04 (43:52):
I mean I don't want to say question everything, but
maybe maybe just let's use somecommon sense because there's a
certain validity to sciencesaying, hey, if we keep doing
what we're doing, we can causeirreversible damage, and that
may, you know, we don't knowwhat's gonna happen after that,
(44:14):
but it's probably not gonna begood.
I think there's some validity tothat type of thing to just be
watching for like what mighthappen that's really bad that we
can stop, or you know, trackingbe like there could be a
gigantic volcanic explosion.
Okay, that's that's just kind ofgood to know, maybe back, very,
(44:35):
very back of the mind type thingto keep there.
We don't need to be talkingabout it all the time.
I I think people like to use itas cheap engagement because it's
something that's likeYellowstone's gonna explode and
take out half of the US.
That's that's fun.
You know, we like to think aboutthat.
So there's but there there'ssome there's some validity to
(44:56):
knowing that.
I think when it gets into thereligious aspect of it, just
really, really, really, really,really.
SPEAKER_00 (45:05):
Really?
SPEAKER_04 (45:06):
Really, you use a little bit of common sense here
at this point, you know.
You you really should be askingyourself, who is this person who
is making a prophecy?
What is their background?
Why are they saying this?
Like what is what how have theygotten to this date?
What's in it for them to saythis?
(45:27):
You should always be questioningthat because theoretically, you
know, if you're somebody who'svery religious, I could see
where you could say, you know,there could be prophets among
us.
And so you can't just discounteveryone, but just use a little
common sense here or there.
Maybe, you know, don't goselling your car or quitting
your job.
And then for people who don'tactually believe in it, stop
(45:51):
posting this fucking shit.
Stop reposting it.
Stop.
Oh my god.
You're the reason it got so far.
If you would just let it staywith the religious nutwings, we
would not be here, but youspread it because it's funny,
and then you're you know, you'vegot people who are posting like
(46:11):
18 different videos about thisstuff.
It's like, all right, guys, comeon, chill, chill, chill, chill.
One would have been okay.
SPEAKER_00 (46:22):
I I think that us as people like are we are
fascinated by like the end ofthe world.
SPEAKER_02 (46:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (46:29):
I know, like there's this one video that I really,
really love, and and I hate tosay it goes into the the end of
the universe.
Like scientific end of theuniverse, where we have
quadrillions upon quadrillionsupon quadrillions of years
(46:49):
before that happens.
But it it breaks it down to likewhat happens when uh all the
suns and and stars explode, andwhat happens when you know those
things cool off and they breakdown and everything is swallowed
up by black holes, and gettingdown to the part where particles
(47:10):
even start to break break apart.
And then there's the the bigfreeze where the universe just
is an empty void that just keepsexpanding.
And it's fascinating, buthopefully not for a couple more
years that's gonna happen.
Uh but like you hear about itall the time, like you know, and
(47:30):
that's why like the clickbait ofthere's an asteroid heading
towards the earth, and they getso many clicks.
The the sun's gonna explode infive billion years, and so I
mean, I think that our curiosityof how it's gonna end needs to
be kind of checked up on, andit's just like, okay, look,
(47:50):
rather than spending your lifewaiting for the end or trying to
figure out how it's gonna end,just enjoy the fucking day.
SPEAKER_04 (47:58):
Okay, I have to apologize to you.
SPEAKER_00 (47:59):
Spend some time with your doggy.
SPEAKER_04 (48:02):
Do you have to apologize to you really quick?
When you said video, I thoughtyou were gonna say the hockey so
the what?
Do you not know yet you knowthis video?
This is from like the early daysof the internet, it's like the
end of the world, and it startsoff with hockey so.
And there's France and France isthe tired.
It's like, okay, go take a nap.
Then fires he missiles.
(48:23):
Come on.
SPEAKER_00 (48:27):
I vaguely remember that.
God, the internet.
Good times.
But yes, I I think the internetlike definitely is spread around
very quickly, the the whole endof the world bullshit.
And it's just like that combinedwith our our fascination of how
things are gonna end andsomething like this.
(48:50):
I mean, I mean it went from zeroto like a hundred within like a
couple of days.
Like, I heard nothing about it.
Like, usually, usually likeanything else, I'll see like one
or two memes, like even like thelizard thing, like it exploded.
SPEAKER_04 (49:06):
Yeah.
But there was a brief momentwhere it was like a couple of
days of lizard, lizard, lizard,lizard, lizard.
SPEAKER_00 (49:18):
And then all of a sudden, like, you know, like you
know, uh a week later, it wasall around.
And between you and I just saideach other like non-stop.
Lizard, lizard, lizard.
Yeah.
So on our scale of toxicity,where would you rank this?
(49:41):
Would you put this at a greenpotato where you just shave off
the green and it's okay?
Would you say that this is adeathcap mushroom where 50-50
shot of getting killed, or wouldyou say that this is antifreeze,
a delightful last meal?
SPEAKER_04 (49:56):
Hmm.
I am going to split end of theworld prophecies into two
categories because I thinkthey're really different.
One is the based on fact, andone is the religion slash cult.
The based on fact, end of theworld prophecies, I'm gonna give
(50:17):
a green potato because I thinkpeople go overboard, I think
people get very clickbaity withthem, but it is it is something
we should be thinking about, youknow, even with AI.
If we just completely ignore it,we're like, that will never,
ever, ever happen.
It, you know, it's justsomething to consider, something
to think about.
Yellowstone exploding, somethingto maybe be aware of.
(50:40):
Like, we know this could happen,what's going on, what's going on
with the asteroids?
Like, yeah, within reason.
Is that that that one just youknow, kind of within reason,
guys.
The religion slash cult in theworld prophecies, I'm going to
give antifreeze because peopleget extreme real, real fast.
(51:02):
Either you've got like a supercrazy cult leader who may or may
not know what they're doing,like they may be doing this on
purpose, or they may be sodelusional that like they're
following the voices that tellthem to do this.
Either way, people literally endup dead because of this type of
thing.
You know, best case scenario,maybe you just you sold your car
(51:24):
and you quit your job, which Idon't know why you would do,
because you're getting raptured,right?
So if you're getting raptured,you don't need all these things,
so why would you sell your car?
Because you don't need themoney.
SPEAKER_00 (51:38):
Well, I would think that, I mean, in the case of
2011, my my boss and I, we weboth if we were to get raptured,
uh, the last place that we wouldwant to be raptured at is Mad
Max.
It's true.
SPEAKER_04 (51:53):
But the whole point, I mean, this whole rapture,
there's this, there's stuffabout like you need to be
standing and you need to bedoing this, and you know when
you get raptured, certain stuffdoesn't come with you, right?
Like your glasses aren't comingwith you if you get raptured.
That's not my problem.
I'm pretty sure the fillings inyour teeth don't get raptured
either.
Like, there's a whole bunch ofthings.
SPEAKER_00 (52:15):
I did not I did not know that people thought about
all this.
SPEAKER_04 (52:18):
Yes, yes, they have thought about all it's like the
m the natural something.
So it's like you're gonna seelike a pile of clothing and some
like little you know goldfillings or something because
the person got raptured.
You know, that that's the bestcase scenario.
You believe it and you'resitting at home, like in
position, you know, standingthere waiting for it to happen,
(52:41):
and it it it doesn't, and thenmaybe you have to go buy your
car again, you have to, youknow, go get a new job.
Or you do end up in a really,really bad position where people
die.
There a couple years ago inKenya, there was a pastor, I'm
pretty sure it was Kenya, who,you know, again convinced all
these people that like end timeswere coming, they had to listen
(53:03):
to him, all of that, and a wholebunch of people died because of
it.
And thankfully, he was he veryat least like went to trial.
I don't know if he went to jail.
Hopefully he did.
But it's it can get extremereally, really quickly.
You also I worry about thepeople who, you know, with this
rapture, maybe they didn'tbelieve it, believe it, like
(53:23):
they weren't into the Christianside of it, but maybe they're
suffering from delusions.
Maybe they're kind of right onthe edge of of some mental
illness, and this just kind ofpushes it over.
And now you're full ondelusional, like, yes, the
rapture's coming, and maybe Iwasn't Christian, but I'm gonna
do all these crazy things nowbecause I think the world is
ending.
I think that side is bad, bad,bad.
SPEAKER_00 (53:46):
I so I like the fact that you did break it down into
that fact and and religiousbecause I was trying to think of
at first, I was like, where thefuck would I put that?
Because yeah, I mean, i if ifbecause like I said, I mean, I I
I I watch that that video of youknow the end of times and
(54:07):
everything like that, and I Ifind it fascinating.
I don't move my life around ofsomething that's gonna happen
four trillion quadrillionbazillion years from now.
SPEAKER_04 (54:20):
I don't move my life around for something that's
gonna happen in a month.
SPEAKER_00 (54:23):
So well, as as we learned, as we learned this
morning, I don't even movearound for something that's
gonna happen in five minutes.
So how long I was sitting herewaiting for you to start the
thing.
SPEAKER_04 (54:36):
I was like, you said five minutes.
I look at my clock, I was like,fucker, it's been fifteen.
SPEAKER_00 (54:44):
So so yeah, I I'm not gonna move around for for
quadrillion bazillion years fromnow.
So yes, I I agree.
I think that if you look in thethe religious aspect that, yes,
I think that because the thingis, even with religion, is that
even even in the Bible where itkind of says that no man has the
(55:07):
knowledge that God possesses.
So the fact that even if youwant to look at it through your
own religion, that you're you'redoing something against your own
religion for this person.
SPEAKER_03 (55:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (55:19):
And you're follow following this person, and and
again, people have sold offtheir possessions, people have
quit their jobs, and it's hardto call up your boss on Monday
and be like, hey, remember whereI told you to go fuck yourself
and and that you were gonna bespending your life in an
eternity in hell?
I'm gonna need my job back.
(55:41):
Uh have you filled that positionor so yeah, I think that
definitely that's anti-freeze.
Um again, I I I agree with you100% that that the factual ones,
because the factual ones, yes.
Even the factual ones were like,you know, like oh god, I
(56:05):
remember history channel whenbefore it became like the uh the
Nazi channel.
Oh god, World War II, 24-7.
Come on, history channel.
SPEAKER_03 (56:19):
Did you know that there's more history?
Bring back Alien Sky.
SPEAKER_00 (56:25):
History didn't begin and end in 1939 to 1945.
Uh but yes, I remember back inthe day, like history channel,
like Yellowstone is gonnaexplode.
When will it explode?
Today?
Tomorrow?
A hundred thousand years fromnow.
It's like, dude, calm, calmdown, calm.
SPEAKER_03 (56:48):
I've got enough stress in my life.
I don't I don't need all thisother random stress to have to
be like, I don't need to worryabout that.
SPEAKER_00 (56:56):
And then on top of that, like the doomsday clock,
it's is it's just invoking fear.
So I would I would say thatfactual things, I would say even
that is probably maybe even adeath cap.
Because it's dependent on youknow, like the doomsday clock is
(57:17):
like, okay, yes, a lot of shit'sgoing on in in the world.
Are we microseconds from nuclearwar happening?
Maybe, maybe not.
Just keep an eye opening, justlike you said, but like don't
don't sit there and like say,like, we're 89, one second was
taken off, you know, blah, blah,blah.
We're that much closer.
SPEAKER_04 (57:38):
Like, yeah, I think sometimes quantifying it doesn't
actually help.
Right.
I think there are very fewpeople who are going to be like,
oh my god, the doomsday clock,just like we're one second
closer.
I this is my moment.
I, you know, I'm not gonna putup with this anymore.
I'm gonna do something.
I think it's far more likelythat people are gonna be like,
well, fuck.
(57:59):
Why bother trying?
I mean, I think it's good tohave, because you can't just be
like, well, nobody cares, we'renot gonna track it, but it's
it's just that moderation that Ithink a lot of the stuff is
missing.
That's like maybe pushing this24-7 is part of why we're where
we are today.
Just a little.
SPEAKER_00 (58:20):
So yeah, I I I say that factual like is either
gonna lead or it can lead topanic, but it could also just be
like fulfilling the curiosity.
And it's just like so maybe fourgreen potatoes.
SPEAKER_04 (58:37):
I'm sticking with green, yeah.
I I would say two greenpotatoes.
J just because I think it isimportant to know when this
stuff is happening, but yeah,very clickbaity.
Don't need that.
SPEAKER_00 (58:51):
So, with all that being said, thank you so much
for listening.
You can find us on Facebook,Blue Sky, Instagram, and if you
want to uh talk to us about anydoomsday prophecies that you
have, uh, you can always writeus at toxic at awesome
(59:12):
lifeskills.com.
And if there is a next week, wewill see you all next week.
And until then, I've beenChristopher Patchett, LCSW.
SPEAKER_04 (59:23):
And I've been Lindsay McLean.
Bye.
Bye.
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