May 1, 2025 • 33 mins
Tracking Wisdom
Season 1 Episode 23
Unveiling the Depth of Tony Robbins: Insights from the Time to Rise Summit
Recorded - 03/03/25
This podcast episode delves into the profound insights derived from Tony Robbins' "Time to Rise" seminar, particularly focusing on the three pillars of lasting change. I recently attended this virtual event, initially harboring skepticism towards Robbins' renowned high-energy persona. However, I discovered a depth of philosophical and spiritual insight that transcended my preconceived notions. The discussion centers on the significance of establishing one's energetic state as a precursor to effective transformation, followed by the identification of purpose and the formulation of a strategic action plan. Throughout our dialogue, we emphasize the necessity of genuine motivation and a clear vision, which are imperative for achieving sustainable change in one's life.
Takeaways:
- The episode discusses the transformative insights gained from Tony Robbins' seminar, particularly focusing on his three pillars of lasting change.
- We delve into the significance of physiological states in fostering motivation and facilitating deeper changes in one's life.
- The speakers reflect on their initial perceptions of Tony Robbins as merely a motivational figure, only to discover the philosophical depth underlying his teachings.
- It is emphasized that true change requires a compelling purpose, which can either stem from positive experiences or aversive situations.
- The conversation highlights the importance of establishing a clear vision for one's future, which serves as a guiding principle for sustained transformation.
- Ultimately, the episode concludes with a recommendation to engage with Robbins' materials for those seeking personal growth and lasting change.
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Views, interpretations andopinions expressed are not advice
nor official positionspresented on behalf of any organization
or institution. They are forinformational and entertainment purposes
only. Now join Ryan and Peterfor another episode of the Tracking
Wisdom Podcast.
Good morning, everybody. I'm Ryan.
I'm Peter.
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And welcome back to anotherepisode of the Tracking Wisdom Podcast.
Today I have an interestingepisode. We have an interesting episode
touching on Tony Robbins. Irecently went to or attended his
free annual seminar. He's beendoing this since 2020. Used to be
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in person, it's called Time toRise. And I received notification
in YouTube and I signed up forit and it was interesting. And there
was three pieces of wisdom andnuggets that I found that came out
of that three, three day,three hours a day seminar. And so
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over the next couple ofepisodes, we're going to talk about
each one. And today we'regoing to start with what he calls
the three pillars of lastingChange. But before we get into that,
I just wanted to make anobservation and maybe others have
this perception or experiencewhich is, you know, Tony Robbins
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is kind of a household nameand is well known for his motivational
speaking. And many, manypeople swear by his teachings. But
for me, while I was familiarwith him as a personality, I never
took any of his courses, Inever followed any of his material.
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And so this was kind of a stepoff the deep end, although it was
free. So maybe it wasn't sucha step into the unknown, but I was
pleasantly surprised. Tony isknown for you know, the high energy,
high production kind ofevents. And like I said, this in
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particular he used to doannually in person. But since 2020,
when the pandemic hit, he,like many people or was kind of found
in a position to try and makethis happen in a way that was unconventional.
And actually what he found waswhat used to be, you know, thousands
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of people or tens of thousandsof people, he was reaching millions
of people. So since then, heoffers this annually. It must be
in January, February time,because that's when I took it. I
assume it's annually aroundthat time. And I would, if anybody's
inclined to kind of see whatthat's like, I, I would recommend
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it. It was streamed on YouTubeand some other forms. And since then,
those videos are no longeraccessible, unfortunately. But I
would say if you have thechance, it's worthwhile. And the
point being that I had thisperception of Tony Robbins and the
high energy, motivation andkind of stroke, the ego perception
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of his Persona. And what Iexperienced and found was a depth
of philosophy and spiritualityunderpinning his strategies and teachings
that was deep and broad andsurprising. It caught me off guard
at just how much value I foundin it, just how much alignment I
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found in it. And so I wouldsay if anybody's curious about Tony
Robbins and has that same kindof perception that I, I don't know
how best to describe theperception, but I think, you know,
I've kind of laid it out.Yeah. The, so many people swear by
it. So, you know, there's.Obviously, he's built a name for
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a reason, but, you know, the,the generalized perception of him
is just this high energy,high, go get him kind of person.
I mean, I, I, I certainly knowwhat you mean because like, like
you said, he's such ahousehold word. It's kind of like
if you don't buy into theOprah book club, kind of, oh, well,
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Oprah likes it. So you knowwhat I mean?
Yeah.
Where something that has acelebrity endorsement is automatically
suspect.
Right.
Kind of.
Right.
I think is where you might becoming from or the kind of attitude
you're describing. I thinkbecause we know each other and that,
you know, obviously I sharethat. And it's very interesting to
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me to hear your enthusiasm,particularly about kind of what is
underlying his Persona. Right.That it's not just all marketing
and production. Right now Ihave some limited exposure to him
because a friend had boughtactually multiple times his course
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on tape. And so I hadborrowed, you know, one of the old
courses on tape, and I startedit. I don't, I didn't get much. I
didn't, you know, complete itor even get very far with it, but
I kind of got an introductionto, like, okay, this is his approach,
blah, blah, blah. I have tosay I'm, I'm very interested to get
into this because even justhaving the small contact with the
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video that you shared with me,I was immediately put off by the
kind of entertainment event,sports event atmosphere of the production.
Like, there was a spokespersonwho was clearly a cheerleader on
mike, kind of yelling on Mikelike, tony's here. It's gonna be
really great. And there's likethis thumping, thumping music in
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the background and lots offlashing lights. And it was just
like rock concert kind ofatmosphere, which I find extremely
off putting because that's notwhere I get my energy. That's not,
you know, I'm not that extraextroverted type. And clearly you
can only, you can only designa production for one type. And so,
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you know, the decisionsclearly made. Okay, this is for extrovert.
Like people who get energyfrom a lot of external energy, which
to me is antithetical. So Istarted to watch the video that you
pointed me to. I was like, ohGod, this is making me sick. And
I barely got through to seethat he was introducing breathing
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technique.
Right.
You know, I'm not even sure ifthat was the same video. But so just
to say if, just by way ofclarification, if you didn't understand
what Ryan was, you know,alluding to, that's my view of it
is true.
Like, yeah, it is a part of it.
Right, but, right.
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But my perception was that wasthe depth of, and that was the depth
of the, the service. The, thevalue was this like hyped up, get
everybody, you know, excitedand motivated to go out and capture
your dream kind of thing. Andof course there is some element of
that, but beneath the surfaceand if you can get past that atmosphere
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and really consume what he'steaching, there's a lot of value
there.
So now, now I'm, I'm curiousbecause like my, my, my wife is even
more introverted than, thanme. I mean, I'm not even sure at
this point I really callmyself introverted, but I definitely
don't respond to this kind ofexternal energy Right. The way I
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guess that the general publicdoes. Because I mean, if the general
public didn't respond positiveto, Positively to it, he wouldn't
do it. And so it raises thequestion for me. It's like, oh, what
if I asked him? Yeah, I findall this energy stuff, like really
painful and uncomfortable. Howdo I access your content? Right.
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And I wonder what, I'mguessing that he'd be like, well,
do you work on the cassettes?Because they're quiet.
Right. Well, I think, and itdoes actually point interestingly
to the first pillar of lastingchange. And so I think we can kind
of segue into what those threeare. And I'd like to touch on that.
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But before that, I think, andthis is assumption because again,
my only experience with TonyRobbins is this three day seminar
online that was exactly thatkind of production value. And I actually,
I find it interesting becausein my professional life, I go to
an annual conference and theproduction is like that and I find
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it off putting. Like that'snot what I'm here for. I'm not here
for a party.
I'm not.
You know what I mean? So like,I, I recognize that type of atmosphere
is not in line with whatgenerally moves and motivates me,
but I didn't find it so offputting. That it obscured my ability
to consume the nuggets ofwisdom. And to the point, I mean
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this, this is a free, it was afree opportunity for me. And oftentimes
free with no skin in the gamehas a high drop off rate. And I would
say that I tend to drop off. Iam a consumer who could be considered
a frequent drop off. Like ifit doesn't grab me right away, I'm
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not going to keep doing it.It's easy for me to just ignore it.
And every day I went back andeven there was a bonus fourth day
that got emailed out out ofnowhere and I went and I watched
that and it's three hours, itwasn't insignificant amount of time.
So there was clearly somethingthat grabbed me enough to keep going
back to it even though therewas that high production value, even
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though it's. I feel like it'salmost a little silly.
But it, it's part of the strategy.
It's part of the strategy. AndI do think that there was an effect,
an efficacy in it. Even thoughit wasn't aligned with what I would
normally do or prefer. I dothink that there was an efficacy
in the first pillar, which isenergy and state. So the three pillars.
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The topic to speak on todaywas the three pillars of lasting
change. And what Tonydescribes here is sort of a reversal
or turning the conventionalwisdom on its head where traditionally
most people when they'rethinking about changing their life
and making drastic improvementor move from the current baseline
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is what do I need to do? Andhe basically again turns that on
its head. And that that's likethe last thing. And the first thing
to incorporating lastingchange, which is I think the key
word, right, we're looking forsustainability here is your energy
or state, basically thephysiological state of being by which
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you are at the time whenyou're working with this vision,
so to speak. And he speaksvery specifically about it being
physiological. Like it's notjust an ethereal energy state that
he's talking about. And sothere's a lot of movement like he,
he gives you practice andworking gets you up and moving around
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and, and it is kind of sillyin a way, but the getting that blood
moving and getting the way itchanges you physiologically was effective,
you know, and, and I thinkthat that again kind of points to.
Part of the reason why there'sthat energy in that atmosphere is
to bring the state of being inthe state of presence for the people
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who are there particularly,obviously it's much different being
in your living room observingthis on YouTube than the people who
are actually there. But it'sall about getting up and moving.
And that those activitiestransform your mental state through
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physiological methods, whichis interesting, but it also isn't
antithetical, I think, to morespiritual or philosophical positions
where the state of your beingand the way you are being present
at that time has huge effecton how what you do subsequent to
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that manifests in.
Your experience, you know, soit also applies to more traditional
spiritual practice, you were saying.
Right, right. So then when wechange our state, then the second
pillar was purpose or why.This is something that I actually
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recognize very specifically asan anecdote and experience is. So
basically, he says, anybodycan change. Like, change is not about
ability. It's aboutmotivation, essentially. And I recognize
that very specifically becauseso many times I've struggled with
change. But when. When thecircumstances presented themselves
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in a way that was absolute,like the. That the new state there
was. There's no question aboutit essentially there. I'm trying
to think of a good example.Let's. Somewhat wholesome, I guess.
I mean, I have like. Likesmoking and things like that. Where,
you know, historically I hadstruggled. And then there came a
point where it was just like,this can't be anymore. I'm. I'm actually.
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This is. This is good. Heactually uses a good example, which
is like, how many people havehad, like, a food or some item that
they just loved and couldnever think about living without
it. And then somethinghappens. You get food poisoning or
something like that, andyou're completely averse to it. From
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then on, that kind of themotivation changes. Like it is now.
The aversion or the imagery ofthe sickness or the bad outcome overtakes
whatever previous, you know,desires and positive you had for
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it. So creating that purposeand that. Why. About what it is you're
looking to do. Again, this isfor lasting change. We're trying
to implement a new vision orversion of ourself, and we currently
exist in a comfortable state,presumably, you know, even if it's
uncomfortable. And this issomething I'm currently experiencing.
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Right. Which is oftentimes theknown, even though its discomfort
is more comforting than theperceived unknown in the future.
So with the food poisoningexample, you're just saying that
the change started with achange of physiological state, and
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it could be either positive ornegative. Like, it doesn't have to
be aversive change. And thatwhat Tony is doing is he's creating
a positive energy state, whichis the basis. Like, that's the first
step.
Yes.
To creating the long lastingchange, right?
But then having a why or apurpose. So the analogy of the food
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was really pointing towardspurpose or reason, but it's that
idea of balancing when themotivation to do a thing outweighs
the motivation to stay in yourcurrent state. And so until you have
that why, until you have thatclarity of the future state and the
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comfort of that future statethat this has to be and the, the
current state can no longerexist, that's when you start to move
into the ability to implementlasting change, right? A diet is
often just a transient lifedecision, but because it's unsustainable,
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frequently, because you stillhaven't overcome those original desires,
you're just suppressing them,right? And so you'll never be able
to implement that lastingsustainability until that motivation,
until it is a lifestylechange, right? Until eating the chips
and donuts at 9:00 at night,whatever, you know, is just not an
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option. Whether thatmanifests, whether the motivation
manifests from a physiologicalexperience which can happen, you
know, somebody gets sick, orit is a mental transition where this
is now your new identity, thatthe old perceptions and the old way
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of being just no longerexists. And so it's not, it's not
a painful process. It's not,there's no feeling of sacrifice,
right? It becomes the newdrive, the new desire. And the old
desires just don't evenmanifest in that way anymore because
it's not part of your mentalconstruct. And I recognize that in,
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historically I've had a numberof, I mean, diet's one of them. You,
you know, two years ago now,is it two years? Two years ago now
I changed the way I eat and Ihad struggled with weight for years
and struggled with differentdiets. And the way that I moved to
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eating was easy because theold way of eating could no longer
be sustained. Like there wasno, not even a desire to go back
to, to eating the way that Ihad been eating in part, I guess,
because I was associating apositive aspect to it, not just physically,
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right? Not just because Iliked what I saw in the mirror better,
but also I guessphysiologically like, like energy
was better. And I got off ofomeprazole. I had taken omeprazole
for 20 plus years andstruggled with chronic GERD. And
in two years, within a monthof the new diet, I was off of omeprazole.
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And I have been off of it fortwo years and I have no issue. So
you know, when it was thingslike that, where it's like, okay,
well now I Feel better. I'm nolonger struggling with my stomach
issues. I'm not beholden tothe pharmaceutical manipulation.
I'm having more energy and I'mlosing weight at the same time that
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created this. Why?
Okay, so you're saying thepurpose. I mean, so it sounds like
the purpose emerges out of thepositive experience of the change.
It can, but it can also be anegative. It can also be an aversion.
Right. But what I'm saying issomething has already changed, and
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that's what causes the shiftin purpose.
I mean, maybe in thatinstance, it. Well, two examples.
That's why I'm a littleconfused because that's what I thought
you were talking about energystate before, but. So we're talking
about purpose. The twoexamples you gave of the shift were
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both post physiologicalchanges that they were experiences.
Right.
That then established a new purpose.
Right, right.
And in one, it was, I don'twant to get sick again. That's my
purpose behind why I'm noteating this anymore. And the other
was, I feel so much better nowthat I've changed. Now that's my
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purpose in continuing the change.
Which I do recognize thatthat's a little confusing as far
as the sequence of how thisgoes, but I don't think it has to
be that way. Obviously, if youhave like a tangible experience,
it probably helps to developthis new. Why?
I mean, do you think that'spart of the program? Like, is that
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he provides this experience?Like, he provides this positive energy
with a group of people that,you know, you feel better in this
moment. And then he can pointto that, like, that's the way you're
gonna feel.
Yes, but I don't think it's enough.
Right.
Because that's transient. Itbecomes transient. And then as soon
as it's over, people fall backinto the old habits. So it really
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does have to be a mentalshift. Like, yes, that I do believe
that that has the potential tomove somebody into that new purpose.
And why. But I don't think itjust automatically does that. You
know what I mean? But thepoint that I think he makes and the
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experience that I recognizedin that pillar and in that idea has
been I have recognizedchallenges that I have struggled
with for long periods of time,falling back into old habits that
in an instant have completelyfallen away due to a shift in essentially
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motivation. Right. That therebecomes a motivating factor that
isn't just whim. Right. It'snot just, I like the idea of a thinner
me. It is something thatchanges functionally the way you
think so that again, there'snot this sense of sacrifice. There's
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not this longing for theprevious state, because if that happens,
it's unsustainable. Like, youwill eventually fall back into old
habits unless you have thismental shift where the new motivation
of the new version or visionis the primary experience.
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So maybe this will be. Getclearer as we go through his. As
we go through your experience.Because, I mean, the Tony Robbins
thing, because I'm kind ofstuck right now with it sounds like.
Well, when something changes,then you'll have change. You know
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what I mean? It's kind oflike. Oh, like. Yeah, because those
are the two examples that wehave are, you know, having good results
from your diet change.
Yes. But there's people whohave good results from diet changes
all the time. And fall back.
And fall back. Right. Sowhat's. Yeah, so that's it. So what's
the difference there? And doesit really require. You're saying
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it doesn't require a change inexperience or. It does.
No, it's motivation. There's.There's a narrative. Let me think.
I mean, isn't that part ofwhat going on is like showing how
he. How he embodies thesethree pillars or how he applies these
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three pillars?
I mean, he gives experiencesin his own. So, number one, so the
time to rise summit is thefree thing. That's the thing I did.
We get exposed to thesethings. Then there's the unleash,
the power within, which ishis, like in depth. 12 hour, four
day. 12 hours a day for fourdays. Immersive, like where he uses
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all these tools and you reallyget into the nitty gritty. I would
say that my exposure to thishas been somewhat superficial. So
I don't know exactly how hehelps you to kind of develop that
mind shift. I just recognizethat as. As a. I recognize in my
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own experience multiple timeswhere lasting change has occurred
without pain and without thefeeling of sacrifice and without
the longing for a previousstate because of this, this tangible
shift in perception, really.I'm trying to think of something.
It's hard for me to point to apersonal example that is like I made
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a conscious decision forsomething without like a negative
or a positive, you know,experience to point to. But I think
that that is still somethingthat can happen. I think that if
you are able to move, I thinkit's harder to do that. I think that
by and large, we're wired tokind of embrace the status quo kind
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of thing. And, and that changeand uncertainty is very uncomfortable
and so even when we're livingin discomfort, it's discomfort that
we know. So I do think thatit's probably more difficult to get
that shift in mindset, likethe real shift in mindset. And you
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know, to be fair, maybe, maybehe is saying, specifically defining
that why, like having a clearvision of why you're doing what you're
doing so that you canvisualize that future state of yourself.
And in doing so, when youimplement the next step, which is
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more of the action stuff, youcontinue to reframe and re imagine
that new state that you'retrying to get to until it becomes
something that is embodied. Ican see that. But I think it also
is true that until that shiftchanges, you are not guaranteed lasting
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change. Right? There's alwaysthat, that risk of slide, backsliding
until that why tangiblychanges in your psyche. Does that
answer your question? I thinkthat that's fair, you know, and I,
I think that yes, in many waysand in many times people who go to
Tony or, or follow his, followhim and learn from him specifically
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because they, they wantchanges, probably similar to like,
I want a new job or a newcareer change, you know, those kinds
of things. Not necessary.Although I'm sure weight and health
is also part of those. Thepoint being, I think many people
who go into this are, look,have a vision and a desire and don't
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have that external positive ornegative reference point that helps
kind of propel that mindshift. So the point being, it would
be unreasonable to sit aroundand wait in step two until somehow
miraculously, your brainshifted and then move on to action,
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which is the next step. Thethird step is then strategy and what
he calls a massive actionplan. So that's when after you have
this new embodiment, this. AndI think again, state is not a singular
event, right? It's somethingyou're. Every day you're waking up
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and you're getting yourselfinto this presence and state, then
probably getting that whyclear in your mind and then going
on for your day activity. Sothis is an ongoing exercise. It's
not just like, oh, I just gotinto a great state. And so now change
will be inevitable. So thestrategy that comes after that is
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then you have your, why youhave, you're in the, the state, the
presence in the moment, andyou have that future vision clearly
and in your mind. And then youdetermine those critical steps, the
sum of the things that need tohappen to get you there. And he does
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speak specifically about, youknow, you, you create this massive
action plan. But most of thetime you only need, you know, like
60 or 80% of it or, you know,the. As you embark down this action
plan and you startimplementing these things one after
another, oftentimes you canpropel past some of the things that
you thought you were going tohave to do. And I think that, you
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know, strategy and the massiveaction plan, you know, I feel like
that has more Tony,stereotypical Tony nest to it. And
I don't know, there's a lot tospeak about, specifically about it,
because that's where peopletend to be, right? What do I need
to do? And I think that what Ifound really interesting about this
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whole concept, you know,again, pointing to lasting change,
not just doing things, was howhe flipped it on its head and how
I could really recognize,number one, the being in the right
state first. Before you'redoing things, before you're deciding
things, you need to be in thatright state of mind, that right physiological
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state to be open tounderstanding with clarity why you
want this. What is it? Notjust a thing you're doing, but there's
something behind it. What isthat that you are looking for that
is aligning with your purposeor whatever. And he, you know, he
says that you don't have apurpose. There's many purposes. And
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so like really being clearabout what it is, how this fits into
the alignment with youryourself and what it is that you're
looking to do. You know, it'snot like I want to be a teacher.
Okay, Is it really because youwant to stand up in front of a class
or is there's something moreto that? What is it that that fulfills
in you? What is it that youknow? So that's the why. And then
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you can talk about strategy.And of course he's very gung ho about
marking it down, committing toit, getting it done, getting it done,
getting it done. And that'sthe massive action plan. And that's
where I find the stereotypicalTony. But again, the underpinnings
of the philosophy and thespirituality that leads up to that
caught me off guard. I didn'texpect that and I was pleased, you
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know, it resonated. So ThreePillars to Lasting Change Quite interesting
and definitely I recommendTime to Rise Summit. If it comes
across to your feet or, youknow, you look into it for next year
or whenever. I found itinteresting, I found it useful. I
never would have been inclinedto buy something from Tony. And you
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know, by the end of it, wesigned my wife up for the Unleash
the power within because shealso took in that was on a whim too.
And I didn't honestly expectthat she would have. I was just like,
oh, this thing came across,maybe you'd be interested. And she
started listening to it. Andboth of us, we were, we were very
into what was happening. Thephysical, the physicality of it,
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the movement, like it'sconstant movement, getting up out
of your seat, keeping thatphysiology and the breathing and
the, and, and the bloodmoving, it's visceral. And then,
and he had some reallyinteresting and I think genuine anecdotes
about his, his past. You know,he, he didn't have an easy past.
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And, and that's not, it's,it's not presented in a way, nor
is it meant to be. Oh, boohoo. I had it tough too. Right. But
it is, it was informative andit helped me to connect more with
him as a person than thispersonality. There were some silly
things that he does, and it'sjust the thing he does and it's fine.
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You know, we all, some of ushave quirky things we do. It made
me laugh. You know, he doesthis kind of thing where he, like,
he claps in a really kind ofstrange and overly exaggerated way
and then he does this like.Yes, or something like that. And
it's, it, it's kind of silly,but it happens and you know, it keeps
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the energy up for the peoplewho are there. Anyways, I found it
really interesting and itfound it informative and enlightening
of who Tony Robbins is andwhat he actually teaches. So I would
say if your perception is likemine was, that he's this kind of
whatever picture you have, histeachings have more depth and breadth
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than, than I thought and maybeit's worthwhile to give it some consideration.
So anyways, that's all I got.All right, anyways, so next, next
episode, we're going toactually talk about priming, which
is another exercise that hedoes. And I feel like that kind of
points to some of how thisthree pillars of lasting change can
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Good morning, everybody. I'm Ryan.
I'm Peter.
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And welcome back to anotherepisode of the Tracking Wisdom Podcast.
Today I have an interestingepisode. We have an interesting episode
touching on Tony Robbins. Irecently went to or attended his
free annual seminar. He's beendoing this since 2020. Used to be
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in person, it's called Time toRise. And I received notification
in YouTube and I signed up forit and it was interesting. And there
was three pieces of wisdom andnuggets that I found that came out
of that three, three day,three hours a day seminar. And so
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over the next couple ofepisodes, we're going to talk about
each one. And today we'regoing to start with what he calls
the three pillars of lastingChange. But before we get into that,
I just wanted to make anobservation and maybe others have
this perception or experiencewhich is, you know, Tony Robbins
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is kind of a household nameand is well known for his motivational
speaking. And many, manypeople swear by his teachings. But
for me, while I was familiarwith him as a personality, I never
took any of his courses, Inever followed any of his material.
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And so this was kind of a stepoff the deep end, although it was
free. So maybe it wasn't sucha step into the unknown, but I was
pleasantly surprised. Tony isknown for you know, the high energy,
high production kind ofevents. And like I said, this in
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particular he used to doannually in person. But since 2020,
when the pandemic hit, he,like many people or was kind of found
in a position to try and makethis happen in a way that was unconventional.
And actually what he found waswhat used to be, you know, thousands
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of people or tens of thousandsof people, he was reaching millions
of people. So since then, heoffers this annually. It must be
in January, February time,because that's when I took it. I
assume it's annually aroundthat time. And I would, if anybody's
inclined to kind of see whatthat's like, I, I would recommend
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it. It was streamed on YouTubeand some other forms. And since then,
those videos are no longeraccessible, unfortunately. But I
would say if you have thechance, it's worthwhile. And the
point being that I had thisperception of Tony Robbins and the
high energy, motivation andkind of stroke, the ego perception
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of his Persona. And what Iexperienced and found was a depth
of philosophy and spiritualityunderpinning his strategies and teachings
that was deep and broad andsurprising. It caught me off guard
at just how much value I foundin it, just how much alignment I
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found in it. And so I wouldsay if anybody's curious about Tony
Robbins and has that same kindof perception that I, I don't know
how best to describe theperception, but I think, you know,
I've kind of laid it out.Yeah. The, so many people swear by
it. So, you know, there's.Obviously, he's built a name for
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a reason, but, you know, the,the generalized perception of him
is just this high energy,high, go get him kind of person.
I mean, I, I, I certainly knowwhat you mean because like, like
you said, he's such ahousehold word. It's kind of like
if you don't buy into theOprah book club, kind of, oh, well,
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Oprah likes it. So you knowwhat I mean?
Yeah.
Where something that has acelebrity endorsement is automatically
suspect.
Right.
Kind of.
Right.
I think is where you might becoming from or the kind of attitude
you're describing. I thinkbecause we know each other and that,
you know, obviously I sharethat. And it's very interesting to
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me to hear your enthusiasm,particularly about kind of what is
underlying his Persona. Right.That it's not just all marketing
and production. Right now Ihave some limited exposure to him
because a friend had boughtactually multiple times his course
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on tape. And so I hadborrowed, you know, one of the old
courses on tape, and I startedit. I don't, I didn't get much. I
didn't, you know, complete itor even get very far with it, but
I kind of got an introductionto, like, okay, this is his approach,
blah, blah, blah. I have tosay I'm, I'm very interested to get
into this because even justhaving the small contact with the
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video that you shared with me,I was immediately put off by the
kind of entertainment event,sports event atmosphere of the production.
Like, there was a spokespersonwho was clearly a cheerleader on
mike, kind of yelling on Mikelike, tony's here. It's gonna be
really great. And there's likethis thumping, thumping music in
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the background and lots offlashing lights. And it was just
like rock concert kind ofatmosphere, which I find extremely
off putting because that's notwhere I get my energy. That's not,
you know, I'm not that extraextroverted type. And clearly you
can only, you can only designa production for one type. And so,
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you know, the decisionsclearly made. Okay, this is for extrovert.
Like people who get energyfrom a lot of external energy, which
to me is antithetical. So Istarted to watch the video that you
pointed me to. I was like, ohGod, this is making me sick. And
I barely got through to seethat he was introducing breathing
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technique.
Right.
You know, I'm not even sure ifthat was the same video. But so just
to say if, just by way ofclarification, if you didn't understand
what Ryan was, you know,alluding to, that's my view of it
is true.
Like, yeah, it is a part of it.
Right, but, right.
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But my perception was that wasthe depth of, and that was the depth
of the, the service. The, thevalue was this like hyped up, get
everybody, you know, excitedand motivated to go out and capture
your dream kind of thing. Andof course there is some element of
that, but beneath the surfaceand if you can get past that atmosphere
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and really consume what he'steaching, there's a lot of value
there.
So now, now I'm, I'm curiousbecause like my, my, my wife is even
more introverted than, thanme. I mean, I'm not even sure at
this point I really callmyself introverted, but I definitely
don't respond to this kind ofexternal energy Right. The way I
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guess that the general publicdoes. Because I mean, if the general
public didn't respond positiveto, Positively to it, he wouldn't
do it. And so it raises thequestion for me. It's like, oh, what
if I asked him? Yeah, I findall this energy stuff, like really
painful and uncomfortable. Howdo I access your content? Right.
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And I wonder what, I'mguessing that he'd be like, well,
do you work on the cassettes?Because they're quiet.
Right. Well, I think, and itdoes actually point interestingly
to the first pillar of lastingchange. And so I think we can kind
of segue into what those threeare. And I'd like to touch on that.
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But before that, I think, andthis is assumption because again,
my only experience with TonyRobbins is this three day seminar
online that was exactly thatkind of production value. And I actually,
I find it interesting becausein my professional life, I go to
an annual conference and theproduction is like that and I find
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it off putting. Like that'snot what I'm here for. I'm not here
for a party.
I'm not.
You know what I mean? So like,I, I recognize that type of atmosphere
is not in line with whatgenerally moves and motivates me,
but I didn't find it so offputting. That it obscured my ability
to consume the nuggets ofwisdom. And to the point, I mean
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this, this is a free, it was afree opportunity for me. And oftentimes
free with no skin in the gamehas a high drop off rate. And I would
say that I tend to drop off. Iam a consumer who could be considered
a frequent drop off. Like ifit doesn't grab me right away, I'm
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not going to keep doing it.It's easy for me to just ignore it.
And every day I went back andeven there was a bonus fourth day
that got emailed out out ofnowhere and I went and I watched
that and it's three hours, itwasn't insignificant amount of time.
So there was clearly somethingthat grabbed me enough to keep going
back to it even though therewas that high production value, even
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though it's. I feel like it'salmost a little silly.
But it, it's part of the strategy.
It's part of the strategy. AndI do think that there was an effect,
an efficacy in it. Even thoughit wasn't aligned with what I would
normally do or prefer. I dothink that there was an efficacy
in the first pillar, which isenergy and state. So the three pillars.
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The topic to speak on todaywas the three pillars of lasting
change. And what Tonydescribes here is sort of a reversal
or turning the conventionalwisdom on its head where traditionally
most people when they'rethinking about changing their life
and making drastic improvementor move from the current baseline
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is what do I need to do? Andhe basically again turns that on
its head. And that that's likethe last thing. And the first thing
to incorporating lastingchange, which is I think the key
word, right, we're looking forsustainability here is your energy
or state, basically thephysiological state of being by which
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you are at the time whenyou're working with this vision,
so to speak. And he speaksvery specifically about it being
physiological. Like it's notjust an ethereal energy state that
he's talking about. And sothere's a lot of movement like he,
he gives you practice andworking gets you up and moving around
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and, and it is kind of sillyin a way, but the getting that blood
moving and getting the way itchanges you physiologically was effective,
you know, and, and I thinkthat that again kind of points to.
Part of the reason why there'sthat energy in that atmosphere is
to bring the state of being inthe state of presence for the people
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who are there particularly,obviously it's much different being
in your living room observingthis on YouTube than the people who
are actually there. But it'sall about getting up and moving.
And that those activitiestransform your mental state through
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physiological methods, whichis interesting, but it also isn't
antithetical, I think, to morespiritual or philosophical positions
where the state of your beingand the way you are being present
at that time has huge effecton how what you do subsequent to
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that manifests in.
Your experience, you know, soit also applies to more traditional
spiritual practice, you were saying.
Right, right. So then when wechange our state, then the second
pillar was purpose or why.This is something that I actually
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recognize very specifically asan anecdote and experience is. So
basically, he says, anybodycan change. Like, change is not about
ability. It's aboutmotivation, essentially. And I recognize
that very specifically becauseso many times I've struggled with
change. But when. When thecircumstances presented themselves
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in a way that was absolute,like the. That the new state there
was. There's no question aboutit essentially there. I'm trying
to think of a good example.Let's. Somewhat wholesome, I guess.
I mean, I have like. Likesmoking and things like that. Where,
you know, historically I hadstruggled. And then there came a
point where it was just like,this can't be anymore. I'm. I'm actually.
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This is. This is good. Heactually uses a good example, which
is like, how many people havehad, like, a food or some item that
they just loved and couldnever think about living without
it. And then somethinghappens. You get food poisoning or
something like that, andyou're completely averse to it. From
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then on, that kind of themotivation changes. Like it is now.
The aversion or the imagery ofthe sickness or the bad outcome overtakes
whatever previous, you know,desires and positive you had for
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it. So creating that purposeand that. Why. About what it is you're
looking to do. Again, this isfor lasting change. We're trying
to implement a new vision orversion of ourself, and we currently
exist in a comfortable state,presumably, you know, even if it's
uncomfortable. And this issomething I'm currently experiencing.
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Right. Which is oftentimes theknown, even though its discomfort
is more comforting than theperceived unknown in the future.
So with the food poisoningexample, you're just saying that
the change started with achange of physiological state, and
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it could be either positive ornegative. Like, it doesn't have to
be aversive change. And thatwhat Tony is doing is he's creating
a positive energy state, whichis the basis. Like, that's the first
step.
Yes.
To creating the long lastingchange, right?
But then having a why or apurpose. So the analogy of the food
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was really pointing towardspurpose or reason, but it's that
idea of balancing when themotivation to do a thing outweighs
the motivation to stay in yourcurrent state. And so until you have
that why, until you have thatclarity of the future state and the
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comfort of that future statethat this has to be and the, the
current state can no longerexist, that's when you start to move
into the ability to implementlasting change, right? A diet is
often just a transient lifedecision, but because it's unsustainable,
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frequently, because you stillhaven't overcome those original desires,
you're just suppressing them,right? And so you'll never be able
to implement that lastingsustainability until that motivation,
until it is a lifestylechange, right? Until eating the chips
and donuts at 9:00 at night,whatever, you know, is just not an
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option. Whether thatmanifests, whether the motivation
manifests from a physiologicalexperience which can happen, you
know, somebody gets sick, orit is a mental transition where this
is now your new identity, thatthe old perceptions and the old way
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of being just no longerexists. And so it's not, it's not
a painful process. It's not,there's no feeling of sacrifice,
right? It becomes the newdrive, the new desire. And the old
desires just don't evenmanifest in that way anymore because
it's not part of your mentalconstruct. And I recognize that in,
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historically I've had a numberof, I mean, diet's one of them. You,
you know, two years ago now,is it two years? Two years ago now
I changed the way I eat and Ihad struggled with weight for years
and struggled with differentdiets. And the way that I moved to
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eating was easy because theold way of eating could no longer
be sustained. Like there wasno, not even a desire to go back
to, to eating the way that Ihad been eating in part, I guess,
because I was associating apositive aspect to it, not just physically,
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right? Not just because Iliked what I saw in the mirror better,
but also I guessphysiologically like, like energy
was better. And I got off ofomeprazole. I had taken omeprazole
for 20 plus years andstruggled with chronic GERD. And
in two years, within a monthof the new diet, I was off of omeprazole.
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And I have been off of it fortwo years and I have no issue. So
you know, when it was thingslike that, where it's like, okay,
well now I Feel better. I'm nolonger struggling with my stomach
issues. I'm not beholden tothe pharmaceutical manipulation.
I'm having more energy and I'mlosing weight at the same time that
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created this. Why?
Okay, so you're saying thepurpose. I mean, so it sounds like
the purpose emerges out of thepositive experience of the change.
It can, but it can also be anegative. It can also be an aversion.
Right. But what I'm saying issomething has already changed, and
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that's what causes the shiftin purpose.
I mean, maybe in thatinstance, it. Well, two examples.
That's why I'm a littleconfused because that's what I thought
you were talking about energystate before, but. So we're talking
about purpose. The twoexamples you gave of the shift were
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both post physiologicalchanges that they were experiences.
Right.
That then established a new purpose.
Right, right.
And in one, it was, I don'twant to get sick again. That's my
purpose behind why I'm noteating this anymore. And the other
was, I feel so much better nowthat I've changed. Now that's my
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purpose in continuing the change.
Which I do recognize thatthat's a little confusing as far
as the sequence of how thisgoes, but I don't think it has to
be that way. Obviously, if youhave like a tangible experience,
it probably helps to developthis new. Why?
I mean, do you think that'spart of the program? Like, is that
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he provides this experience?Like, he provides this positive energy
with a group of people that,you know, you feel better in this
moment. And then he can pointto that, like, that's the way you're
gonna feel.
Yes, but I don't think it's enough.
Right.
Because that's transient. Itbecomes transient. And then as soon
as it's over, people fall backinto the old habits. So it really
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does have to be a mentalshift. Like, yes, that I do believe
that that has the potential tomove somebody into that new purpose.
And why. But I don't think itjust automatically does that. You
know what I mean? But thepoint that I think he makes and the
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experience that I recognizedin that pillar and in that idea has
been I have recognizedchallenges that I have struggled
with for long periods of time,falling back into old habits that
in an instant have completelyfallen away due to a shift in essentially
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motivation. Right. That therebecomes a motivating factor that
isn't just whim. Right. It'snot just, I like the idea of a thinner
me. It is something thatchanges functionally the way you
think so that again, there'snot this sense of sacrifice. There's
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not this longing for theprevious state, because if that happens,
it's unsustainable. Like, youwill eventually fall back into old
habits unless you have thismental shift where the new motivation
of the new version or visionis the primary experience.
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So maybe this will be. Getclearer as we go through his. As
we go through your experience.Because, I mean, the Tony Robbins
thing, because I'm kind ofstuck right now with it sounds like.
Well, when something changes,then you'll have change. You know
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what I mean? It's kind oflike. Oh, like. Yeah, because those
are the two examples that wehave are, you know, having good results
from your diet change.
Yes. But there's people whohave good results from diet changes
all the time. And fall back.
And fall back. Right. Sowhat's. Yeah, so that's it. So what's
the difference there? And doesit really require. You're saying
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it doesn't require a change inexperience or. It does.
No, it's motivation. There's.There's a narrative. Let me think.
I mean, isn't that part ofwhat going on is like showing how
he. How he embodies thesethree pillars or how he applies these
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three pillars?
I mean, he gives experiencesin his own. So, number one, so the
time to rise summit is thefree thing. That's the thing I did.
We get exposed to thesethings. Then there's the unleash,
the power within, which ishis, like in depth. 12 hour, four
day. 12 hours a day for fourdays. Immersive, like where he uses
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all these tools and you reallyget into the nitty gritty. I would
say that my exposure to thishas been somewhat superficial. So
I don't know exactly how hehelps you to kind of develop that
mind shift. I just recognizethat as. As a. I recognize in my
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own experience multiple timeswhere lasting change has occurred
without pain and without thefeeling of sacrifice and without
the longing for a previousstate because of this, this tangible
shift in perception, really.I'm trying to think of something.
It's hard for me to point to apersonal example that is like I made
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a conscious decision forsomething without like a negative
or a positive, you know,experience to point to. But I think
that that is still somethingthat can happen. I think that if
you are able to move, I thinkit's harder to do that. I think that
by and large, we're wired tokind of embrace the status quo kind
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of thing. And, and that changeand uncertainty is very uncomfortable
and so even when we're livingin discomfort, it's discomfort that
we know. So I do think thatit's probably more difficult to get
that shift in mindset, likethe real shift in mindset. And you
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know, to be fair, maybe, maybehe is saying, specifically defining
that why, like having a clearvision of why you're doing what you're
doing so that you canvisualize that future state of yourself.
And in doing so, when youimplement the next step, which is
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more of the action stuff, youcontinue to reframe and re imagine
that new state that you'retrying to get to until it becomes
something that is embodied. Ican see that. But I think it also
is true that until that shiftchanges, you are not guaranteed lasting
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change. Right? There's alwaysthat, that risk of slide, backsliding
until that why tangiblychanges in your psyche. Does that
answer your question? I thinkthat that's fair, you know, and I,
I think that yes, in many waysand in many times people who go to
Tony or, or follow his, followhim and learn from him specifically
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because they, they wantchanges, probably similar to like,
I want a new job or a newcareer change, you know, those kinds
of things. Not necessary.Although I'm sure weight and health
is also part of those. Thepoint being, I think many people
who go into this are, look,have a vision and a desire and don't
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have that external positive ornegative reference point that helps
kind of propel that mindshift. So the point being, it would
be unreasonable to sit aroundand wait in step two until somehow
miraculously, your brainshifted and then move on to action,
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which is the next step. Thethird step is then strategy and what
he calls a massive actionplan. So that's when after you have
this new embodiment, this. AndI think again, state is not a singular
event, right? It's somethingyou're. Every day you're waking up
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and you're getting yourselfinto this presence and state, then
probably getting that whyclear in your mind and then going
on for your day activity. Sothis is an ongoing exercise. It's
not just like, oh, I just gotinto a great state. And so now change
will be inevitable. So thestrategy that comes after that is
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then you have your, why youhave, you're in the, the state, the
presence in the moment, andyou have that future vision clearly
and in your mind. And then youdetermine those critical steps, the
sum of the things that need tohappen to get you there. And he does
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speak specifically about, youknow, you, you create this massive
action plan. But most of thetime you only need, you know, like
60 or 80% of it or, you know,the. As you embark down this action
plan and you startimplementing these things one after
another, oftentimes you canpropel past some of the things that
you thought you were going tohave to do. And I think that, you
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know, strategy and the massiveaction plan, you know, I feel like
that has more Tony,stereotypical Tony nest to it. And
I don't know, there's a lot tospeak about, specifically about it,
because that's where peopletend to be, right? What do I need
to do? And I think that what Ifound really interesting about this
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whole concept, you know,again, pointing to lasting change,
not just doing things, was howhe flipped it on its head and how
I could really recognize,number one, the being in the right
state first. Before you'redoing things, before you're deciding
things, you need to be in thatright state of mind, that right physiological
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state to be open tounderstanding with clarity why you
want this. What is it? Notjust a thing you're doing, but there's
something behind it. What isthat that you are looking for that
is aligning with your purposeor whatever. And he, you know, he
says that you don't have apurpose. There's many purposes. And
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so like really being clearabout what it is, how this fits into
the alignment with youryourself and what it is that you're
looking to do. You know, it'snot like I want to be a teacher.
Okay, Is it really because youwant to stand up in front of a class
or is there's something moreto that? What is it that that fulfills
in you? What is it that youknow? So that's the why. And then
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you can talk about strategy.And of course he's very gung ho about
marking it down, committing toit, getting it done, getting it done,
getting it done. And that'sthe massive action plan. And that's
where I find the stereotypicalTony. But again, the underpinnings
of the philosophy and thespirituality that leads up to that
caught me off guard. I didn'texpect that and I was pleased, you
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know, it resonated. So ThreePillars to Lasting Change Quite interesting
and definitely I recommendTime to Rise Summit. If it comes
across to your feet or, youknow, you look into it for next year
or whenever. I found itinteresting, I found it useful. I
never would have been inclinedto buy something from Tony. And you
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know, by the end of it, wesigned my wife up for the Unleash
the power within because shealso took in that was on a whim too.
And I didn't honestly expectthat she would have. I was just like,
oh, this thing came across,maybe you'd be interested. And she
started listening to it. Andboth of us, we were, we were very
into what was happening. Thephysical, the physicality of it,
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the movement, like it'sconstant movement, getting up out
of your seat, keeping thatphysiology and the breathing and
the, and, and the bloodmoving, it's visceral. And then,
and he had some reallyinteresting and I think genuine anecdotes
about his, his past. You know,he, he didn't have an easy past.
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And, and that's not, it's,it's not presented in a way, nor
is it meant to be. Oh, boohoo. I had it tough too. Right. But
it is, it was informative andit helped me to connect more with
him as a person than thispersonality. There were some silly
things that he does, and it'sjust the thing he does and it's fine.
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You know, we all, some of ushave quirky things we do. It made
me laugh. You know, he doesthis kind of thing where he, like,
he claps in a really kind ofstrange and overly exaggerated way
and then he does this like.Yes, or something like that. And
it's, it, it's kind of silly,but it happens and you know, it keeps
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the energy up for the peoplewho are there. Anyways, I found it
really interesting and itfound it informative and enlightening
of who Tony Robbins is andwhat he actually teaches. So I would
say if your perception is likemine was, that he's this kind of
whatever picture you have, histeachings have more depth and breadth
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than, than I thought and maybeit's worthwhile to give it some consideration.
So anyways, that's all I got.All right, anyways, so next, next
episode, we're going toactually talk about priming, which
is another exercise that hedoes. And I feel like that kind of
points to some of how thisthree pillars of lasting change can
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work. So until next time.
Thank you for listening to theTracking Wisdom podcast. Join us
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
Ridiculous History
History is beautiful, brutal and, often, ridiculous. Join Ben Bowlin and Noel Brown as they dive into some of the weirdest stories from across the span of human civilization in Ridiculous History, a podcast by iHeartRadio.