April 9, 2024 • 36 mins
Terry Sayre and Kelly Fox are advanced certified Fearless Living coaches, certified fearless trainers, and the hosts of the Fearless Generations podcast. They work together to help others on their own journeys toward freedom. Together, they provide the tools, guidance, and support necessary to help individuals break free from fear and live the life they truly desire. In this episode, Terry and Kelly share how Rhonda Britten’s Fearless Living Training Program transformed their lives and allowed them to master fear and live fearlessly.
Listen in to learn how to manage and master your fear in a way that allows you to move forward. You will also learn how to see your value and have the courage to use it to make a difference in your life and others at any age.
Key Takeaways:
· How to manage and master your fear in a way that allows you to move forward.
· How to have the courage to understand your value and others and make a difference.
· How to be compassionate with yourself and others to make positive change.
· Understanding that there’s no age limit on growth, service, and learning.
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Nan McKay (00:09):
Are you allowing fear to stop you from living a life of freedom?
Terry and Kelly were once crippled by fear,but all that changed when they joined the
fearless living training program and executedwhat they learned.
They're here to share how they transform theirlives and lessons on how you can start living
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fearlessly as well.
Welcome. I'm Nan McKay, the voice behind Trailblazers impact, your beacon to
extraordinary women trailblazing unique paths.
Our podcast spotlights luminaries whose life
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Buckle up for another episode packed withpowerful narratives and empowering journeys on
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trailblazers impact.
Stay with us.
This is Nan McKay.
In today's episode, we are joined by the
dynamic mother and daughter duo, Terry, Sarahand Kelly Fox, who are bringing generations
together with their fearless approach to lifecoaching.
Terry, a seasoned city council member andmayor, pairs with her daughter Kelly, a
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seasoned coach and busy mother of six, toguide individuals from all walks of life to a
fearless state of being through theirimpactful workshops and weekly podcasts.
Drawing on the principles of fearless living,which were created by Rhonda Britton, Terry
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and Kelly are here to equip you with the toolsand the skills necessary to triumph over fear
and embrace life with newfound confidence andzeal.
No matter your age or your stage in life,prepare to embark on a transformative journey
to a more fearless you.
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So welcome to both of you.
Terry Sayre (02:13):
Thank you.
Thank you.
Nan McKay (02:16):
Can you share with us the genesis story of how you both decided to work together
because you're really bridging differentgenerations in the.
Terry Sayre (02:28):
Absolutely. Absolutely.
I think when we first started, Kelly became a
life coach before I did.
And as her mom, I had the privilege of
watching her transformation and her gainingconfidence and trusting herself and really
interacting with our whole family and with herchildren in a different way because those are
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six of my grandchildren, which I pay a lot ofattention to.
So I decided then to look into the programmyself.
And so I was coached through the program byone of her colleagues and at that point
decided, this is something I can do.
And so we began doing workshops.
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Then I was first trained as a trainer and thenKelly came along and assisted me and then she
became a trainer.
And as we trained together, we just naturally,
almost organically saw the importance of ourdifferent perspectives.
Me being in my seventy?S and she being in her early forty s and just
that opportunity to bring those differentgenerational perspectives to our work.
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And it changed the way that we implemented andpresented the material.
So that's kind of how it happened for me.
So I'll let Kelly tell you about her genesis.
Kelly Fox (03:44):
Yeah, we started working together first with the podcast, and we have done nine
years of consistently showing up every Mondaynight and doing the podcast.
We've just started our 10th season, so prettycrazy to think about that.
But Terry was doing a podcast with two othercoaches, and they were deciding to come into
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an end with their podcast.
And so she started talking to me, and she's
like, what do you think?You want to do a podcast?
I'm like, okay, let's do it.
And we came up with fearless generations.
We decided to teach the twelve steps tofreedom, and that's how it began.
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And we started working together.
And once a week, we did the podcast.
And then, as Terry was saying, we starteddoing workshops, and then come COVID,
everything online exploded, and people werewilling to do virtual workshops and be in
virtual groups.
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And we started our coaching program, stepping
towards freedom and just keep doing more andmore.
Nan McKay (05:05):
And you both are actively involved in the fearless living program.
That's the one created by Rhonda Britton.
How has this program transformed your personal
lives?And what impact have you seen it have on your
clients?
Kelly Fox (05:24):
It has completely changed my life.
I think that other than my spiritual beliefs,
fearless living has affected my life the most.
Before I think about how I functioned, I
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didn't believe that I was capable of reallydoing anything by myself.
I completely doubted myself in every decisionI made.
I didn't think very highly of myself.
I beat myself up all the time, and now it's so
far from that.
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I trust myself.
I love myself.
I can tell myself I'm beautiful, which was
something I never would have done before.
And I have the confidence to teach other
people these tools, to say, hey, I'm your fearmastery coach.
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My life has completely changed, and I've seenit in our clients, as well.
And just the transformations that we see fromeven just people who come to one workshop is
amazing.
And the people who have been in our coaching
program, where they work with us for a wholeyear, oh, my gosh, the transformations that
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they have had have just been mind blowing andso heartwarming that we were able to be a part
of that journey with them.
Terry Sayre (07:02):
Yeah. Well, as Kelly's mom, I can attest that as I've watched her grow in
confidence, grow in her desire to take upspace in a different way, to be a more
effective mother, to have better communicationskills, and, like she said, to learn to love
and value herself, I think for me, that wasthe initial transformation, was the
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realization that if I could learn to accept mydivinity as a child of God, and I could love
myself as he does, that I could unlock everybit of love that I had within me to share with
others.
And that was the transformational or pivotal
moment in my life.
As I went through the fearless living,
training was the value that I had.
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I had recently lost my husband.
I was struggling as a widow.
I had five children, four still at home.
And I wanted to change.
I wanted to live my life with confidence and
my career.
I was extremely confident.
I had taught school.
I was administrator.
I felt very successful in that arena of mylife.
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Yet my personal life was not where I wanted itto be.
I felt like I was not living up to what I wascreated to do.
And so that was my transformation.
It was learning to care for value and love
myself.
And when that happened, it opened this
floodgate of my capacity to serve and loveothers.
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And that's where sharing as a life coach, andI do leadership coaching with businesses as
well.
But my work as a life coach, where I could
help other women and men to see their valueand teach them the skills that they could
consistently practice that would keep themfrom those traps of addiction.
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And for me, the addiction was perfectionism.
There are many addictions beyond substance
addictions.
And I was addicted to being perfect.
That is a myth and an impossibility.
And when I learned that I could do what I
could, when I could, the best I could, and Ididn't have that angst and that fear every
time I walked out the door that I wasn'tperfect, that was life changing.
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And so helping others to recognize theirvalue, first, walk alongside of them and guide
them through the maze of fear that's created.
We created ourselves, others created around
us.
Society certainly has created a lot of fear in
people's lives, particularly now with thepolarization of our nation.
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And to walk beside people and say, look, youcan take fear's hand, and you can walk down
your chosen path to life, and you can live itto the fullest.
Fear does not have to be in front of you,stopping you.
It's there to protect you, but you can managethat.
And so mastering your fear in a way thatallows you to move forward, you can see how
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that would change people's lives.
And so our clients that we work with, we see
that we get to be a witness to that change intheir lives where they can no longer be
paralyzed by fear, and they can move forwardin their journey the way they want to.
And we can walk beside them, helping them withthe tools and strategies that they can
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practice that will allow them to manage thatfear and to live in freedom in the middle of
chaos.
You can be in the middle of chaos and still be
living in freedom because you are walkingforward, managing your fear and being able to
navigate, care for yourself and move forward.
So my transformation was revelatory in my
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life.
It changed my life.
My daughters can tell you, my other fourchildren will tell you as well.
Mom is not the same person, and I'm sograteful for that.
So that's my story.
And then as a coach, I am humbled and honored
as I walk beside my clients and watch themexperience that same kind of change in their
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lives.
Nan McKay (11:10):
It must be extremely rewarding to see people grow.
Terry Sayre (11:14):
Yes.
Nan McKay (11:15):
Now, Terry, you are the mayor of a city, and being involved in city council and
holding the position of mayor, that must comewith a set of challenges.
So how have the principles of fearless livinghelped you in your role as a public servant?
Terry Sayre (11:35):
Sure. I'll tell you, the idea of running for city council froze me again.
I'm a God girl and I got poked by God to runfor city council to help the homeless in my
community.
And that's been my purpose and my focus on
city council.
I was scared to death.
I would not said, no way, no way, no, I'm notgoing to do that.
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But I was nudged and I followed the nudge.
So I had to overcome a lot of fears just to
run for the office.
The first part wasn't difficult, just getting
my name on the ballot, campaigning.
But when I had to walk my precinct and talk to
strangers and knock on doors of all the votersin my district, that was a die fear.
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And I learned how to overcome that one step ata time, one door at a time.
And I took my campaign manager, who kind ofheld my hand, and I was able to do that.
If I had to do that again, it would no longerbe such a die.
It would just be a risk that I would bewilling to take again.
Fortunately, when I ran again, no one ranagainst me.
So I'm in my second term and I am the mayor atthis time, the first full time woman mayor in
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Tulari.
So I'm very happy and proud that a woman has
taken that place in the years and years ofTulari's municipal government, I'm the first
woman mayor, so that's kind of exciting forour gender.
And just again, to show people that at anyage, I ran for council at 74, I am now 78.
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As the mayor, I still feel 50.
I think age is a state of mind.
But the fearless living concepts of navigatingmy fear, of knowing clearly what I wanted to
do.
So being able to also manage that landscape
with clarity, which is another thing we coachpeople to accomplish, is, what do you want?
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Do you clearly know your focus now?Here are the steps for you to get out of your
comfort zone and navigate that fear one stepat a time, collaborating with your coach and
your colleagues and moving forward.
So it's definitely helped me.
I've brought that, I guess, culture of changein fearless living to the dais.
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I share it with my colleagues, with all thecity staff.
I show them that the importance of servingwith a heart of a servant, not with the heart
of a person trying to grandize themselves ormove into another position, but truly, it's an
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act of service.
In our community, you're not paid.
It is a voluntary job, but you're not on asalary like in very large communities.
I'm in a 70,000 population community.
It's not small, but it's not large
municipality at all.
So we get a stipend to do things within our
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city, and they'll pay for us to attend eventsso that we can be a present and do that.
But I get paid $5 a session to run citycouncil meetings, and they take taxes out of
that.
So you can see it's not a lucrative position
at all.
It's one that fit me as a servant with a
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servant heart.
And as I've said, I focus on the homeless, and
we've made wonderful advancements withmanaging both their safety and the safety of
the constituents of our city.
So sort of in our county, we're the model city
for how we're handling and managing thehomeless population, which I know in many
areas, it's the number one issue.
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All of that.
I would not have had the courage or maybe eventhe dedication, if I hadn't learned how
valuable one person can be and how one personcan make a difference because they understand
themselves, and from that, they understandothers, and they can reach out to others
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because they have the confidence that each ofus has so much value.
Nan McKay (15:51):
What have you done to manage the homeless population?
I'd be curious about that.
Terry Sayre (15:56):
Yeah, you can go on for a.
Kelly Fox (15:58):
While, so be careful.
Terry Sayre (16:00):
Try to be succinct about it.
Nan McKay (16:02):
Okay.
Terry Sayre (16:03):
But in our community, we have a railroad that runs right down the center of
our community.
Like many rural communities in California,
that's how they started, was they were a stopon the railroad.
They were all congregated on the railroad.
Well, within one year, we had 13 homeless
individuals die, either hit by a train, jumpedin front of a train, or were pushed in front
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of a train.
So we worked with a railroad to help us.
We purchased a property where we could have atemporary encampment where they could be safe
and have water and toilets and showers andfood and electricity not in their tents, but a
space.
They could charge their phones, and they could
have those things accessible to them.
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It was voluntary for them to be moved there.
I mean, to choose to go there, but therailroad helped us buy its private property by
saying they could not be on the railroad.
So this gave them.
Well, where am I going to go?Well, I think I'll go to the encampment.
So we have 200 individuals in the encampment.
It's monitored by our police department.
We have a 24/7 monitoring there, and they'reprovided many things.
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Now, I'd like to say it's all peachy keen overthere.
There's still issues every day.
We deal with issues because we're dealing with
individuals who suffer from mental illness,from addiction, from severe depression, from
all kinds of.
Can you imagine living on the street?
And many of these people have lived on thestreet for ten years.
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What would you do?I mean, again, I try to put myself in their
place.
So we're in the process of building a
permanent shelter where all of these people,we provide case managers.
We've housed over 30 of them since they'vebeen there.
So the goal is housed, but there's atransitional period where they have to learn
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how to be housed.
They haven't been housed for so long, so
they're in survival mode.
So we'll be moving them into a permanent
shelter, which will have phases, again to getthem bridged into housing.
So our goal is to get every homelessindividual that wants to be housed and to get
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documentation and work and move back intosociety.
And we've been successful even in thistemporary encampment with over 30 people.
So then 30 more people can choose to come intothe encampment because there's only so many
spaces.
So that's what we're doing.
And we're providing drug addiction training,mental health services, case workers, family
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therapists.
We're providing all of that, because without
that, again, how are you going to change ifyou don't get the tools?
Nan McKay (18:51):
And do you have a housing authority local where you are working with them on the
voucher program?
Terry Sayre (18:57):
Yes, we do.
So many of them are able to get vouchers in
order to go into housing other or privatelandlords.
We also have a very active homeless task forcethat works with multiple agencies.
Self help.
I don't know if you're familiar with self help
and HR communities.
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They are building and renovating motels and
renovating those so people can go into thoseas well.
Other than the voucher eight program underother programs through the housing department
and the task force.
So we have the potential in the next year to
house almost as many as we as want to, atleast out of our community.
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I mean, other communities may have more whichalso have their programs, but it's really
working well.
And I've gotten to know so many of these
people personally, and just they're so anxiousto improve their situations.
Nan McKay (19:57):
That sounds fascinating.
And, of course, housing is my background.
Terry Sayre (20:02):
So that is interesting.
Nan McKay (20:04):
Kelly, let's talk about you a little bit.
Managing, let's say, a bustling for ahousehold with six kids while being a coach
seems like a really hefty task.
So how do you integrate the teachings of your
fearless living into that parenting style?
Kelly Fox (20:27):
Yeah, with the older ones, it can be a little bit of a challenge because they
recognize the language and they're like, don'tcoach me, mom.
You can hear something from someone else andyou're like, oh, that's smart.
But you hear it from your mom and you're like,no, I don't like that.
Right.
So it definitely comes into play with how I
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communicate with them and how we interact witheach other.
But I think the thing that really supports methe most as a mom is doing my work, because
the better I am, the better I can be there forthem and show up there for them, because if
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I'm not doing my own work, then I'm coming tothem not full, like not being able to have
patience or not being able to really devoteany kind of energy to them because I'm empty.
So doing my own work really helps as well asmy husband is very familiar with the fearless
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living tools, and he's been coached himself,not by me, but he has been coached himself and
so knows the language.
And our relationship really affects our family
as well.
And so we're very dedicated to having good
communication skills as well because it takesboth of us to raise our family and to create
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the environment we have in our home.
But I really haven't had a full coaching
practice except for maybe the last six or fiveyears because I was raising babies.
Now my youngest is in first grade.
He's at school for the majority of the day,
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and I have a lot more time that I can devoteto doing coaching and managing all of the
things that it takes to have a business and bevisible and try to affect change in the world.
And so it's a little bit easier now.
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The older ones help with the younger ones, but
yeah, there's always that balance of work andfamily for anyone, whether they work in the
home or out of the home.
And so it takes a realignment sometimes of the
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priorities.
Sometimes it's like, okay, I'm going to step
away from my computer and spend some time withmy kids and not let the work overwhelm the
other opportunities that I have.
To be fearless and to interact with teenagers
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takes some courage and it definitely does forme.
Nan McKay (23:41):
What's the age range? It's six to what?
Kelly Fox (23:44):
20? My oldest is 20 and he's still home, so
they're all still home.
And yeah, my youngest is six.
Nan McKay (23:53):
And either one of you could be either or both.
Walk us through these twelve steps to freedomthat you share in your weekly podcast.
Or is that too long?
Terry Sayre (24:05):
She'll do it more quickly than I would.
Nan McKay (24:08):
And then work in if you can.
How can a person implement these steps in
their daily life?
Kelly Fox (24:16):
Yeah, well, I would suggest listening to our podcast each week, but the
first step is awareness.
It's actually this month that we're doing
awareness.
And so if you follow us on our social media,
we post daily several things that you can beinspired by to up your awareness.
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And we do that each month.
So it's the easiest way, I think, to integrate
these tools.
But just being aware of what they are is the
first step.
Right?
So the first step is awareness.
Then it's willingness, because you can be
aware of change, but if you're not willing todo anything about it, it's not happening.
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The third tool is connection, and that'sconnection with yourself first and then with
others.
The next is compassion.
We have compassion for ourselves.
It always starts with us.
And then when we can be compassionate withourselves, it's much easier for us to be
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compassionate with others.
Accountable is the next step.
And then that's pretty easy to understand.
Being accountable and then it's being in the
present moment.
That is where change happens.
It happens in the present moment, not in thepast, not in the future.
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Happens right now.
And what you decide to do right now, the next
is surrender.
We have all our challenges with wanting to be
in control, and yet we cannot control others.
And there is a lot we can't control.
But there are things we can, and we can beresponsible or accountable for those, but
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yeah, surrendering those things, we can'tcontrol, let it go.
And then it is intention.
So being intentional and on purpose with the
things that we are choosing to do and be awareof.
And then it is possibilities, which is myfavorite one.
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Actually, I switched those.
But anyways, possibilities is step eight.
And just being open and aware to all thedifferent possibilities in front of us and
having the courage to step out and take them.
Trust is step ten.
And it's my favorite one because trust.
Terry Sayre (26:57):
Is the other one.
Was your favorite.
Kelly Fox (27:01):
Sorry.
Trust is something I practice every day,
trusting myself.
And then passion.
Having a passion for your life, a passion foryour purpose and your mission here on earth.
And then love is step twelve.
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So having love for yourself, a love of your
life, a love of others, a love for being infreedom.
And so those are the twelve steps.
Terry Sayre (27:33):
And the amazing part of them is they were created to work in synergy.
And so as you take one step, the next stepjust build upon the first one.
So really awareness, willingness, that goesthrough the entire twelve steps.
So you're just building upon your capacity tomanage your journey.
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And I do a little thing called Terry talksevery weekday.
And that's just a 1 minute inspirationalthought tool strategy around the same step of
the month.
And that is on YouTube.
And you can have it emailed to your email.
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It's very accessible.
And that just a shot in the arm every day tokeep yourself thinking and speaking and acting
in accordance with that step.
And so as you progress from step to step, it
just grows.
Your ability to be aware is heightened.
As you think about being willing andaccountable, as you think about being seeing
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possibilities, as you think about being in thepresent moment, you're aware, you're willing
to be observant, to listen, to usecommunication skills effectively, so that you
can then incorporate, actually internalizeeach of those steps so they become a part of
your processing.
Each of us processes it in a different way,
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yet each of us can benefit from being aware.
But how you process that may be differently,
but it is something that then grows into alifestyle, it grows into the way you take up
space, it grows into your thinking anddecision making processes.
So that these twelve steps can be sointernalized that they do transform and affect
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the way that you process information.
So they grow up on each other.
And each year that we go through them again, Igrow in every area, they become more rigorous,
more automatic, more intentional.
Yeah.
So they're very purposeful and intentional inhow you can live your life on a daily decision
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by decision, choice by choice method.
Kelly Fox (29:48):
Yeah. And we share tools on the podcast and on our social media all the time.
And those tools, we teach you how to integratethem as well.
Nan McKay (29:59):
Well, how you're doing a lot of different things.
Let's take them one by one and see how peoplecould reach you for things like you've got
your podcast, so would you give the name ofit?
Kelly Fox (30:13):
Our podcast is fearless generations.
Nan McKay (30:16):
Okay. And then the second one is you have the YouTube channel Terry, what's
the.
Terry Sayre (30:24):
Terry talks.
Nan McKay (30:25):
Terry talks.
Kelly Fox (30:27):
That's not the name of your channel.
That's what the videos are called.
Her channel is.
Terry.
Ace there coaching.
But they can get access to all of this on ourwebsite, which is fearlessgenerations.org.
So they can find us on all social media asfearless generations with an s on the end
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generations.
And, yeah, we're on Instagram, LinkedIn,
Pinterest, Facebook, and YouTube.
And so we have a fearless generation YouTube
page as.
Uh. But Terry talks is on Terry's YouTube
channel.
Nan McKay (31:08):
Okay. And you also have a group, and how can they sign up for that on your
website?As.
Kelly Fox (31:18):
Can. There's a link to our Facebook group on there.
But our Facebook group is called get fearlessat any age with fearless generations.
But if you look up fearless generations, it'llcome up.
Terry Sayre (31:33):
Is that where they sign up for the program, Kelly?
Kelly Fox (31:36):
No, the program would be through the website.
Nan McKay (31:40):
Okay. So they should really go to your website first.
Kelly Fox (31:43):
Yeah.
Nan McKay (31:43):
And then sign up.
Well, you two are doing some tremendous things
and making such a difference in the world.
It's just fabulous.
Do you have anything else you'd like to add?
Terry Sayre (31:55):
Well, we appreciate you so much.
We had the pleasure of meeting Nan in
California.
She came out for a workshop for master
speaking skills and with Katerina Rando, whichI don't know if you've had Katerina on your
podcast, but I would assume you have.
Nan McKay (32:11):
Yes.
Terry Sayre (32:12):
We met each other there, and it was an instant connection.
And her work.
She and I are very close to the same age, and
both of us think there's no age limit ongrowth, no age limit on service, no age limit
on learning.
And so right away, we connected, because
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that's an excuse people use to sit back ontheir laurels.
And I just feel like the world is full ofopportunities to learn.
And that's what I love, that Kelly and I canwork together, but we have different
experiences and can offer differentperspectives because I've been able to learn
more because I've been here.
Kelly Fox (32:58):
But we're very different coaches because we have different personalities, we've
had different life experiences.
And so when you come to one of our workshops
or participate in our group program, or youlisten to the podcast, you'll see that you're
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getting more than just one perception or oneopinion or one set of experiences.
You're getting two and two coaches, twoadvanced, certified, fearless living coaches
dedicated to you to support you with thechange that you want to happen in your life.
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And we say we bridge you from where you are towhere you want to be.
And we are passionate about that.
Nan McKay (33:55):
Well, thank you so much for sharing with our audience and with everyone that
touches you because I think you have a greatthing going to help a lot of people.
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Thank you, Nancy.
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Thank you.
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Are you allowing fear to stop you from living a life of freedom?
Terry and Kelly were once crippled by fear,but all that changed when they joined the
fearless living training program and executedwhat they learned.
They're here to share how they transform theirlives and lessons on how you can start living
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Welcome. I'm Nan McKay, the voice behind Trailblazers impact, your beacon to
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Stay with us.
This is Nan McKay.
In today's episode, we are joined by the
dynamic mother and daughter duo, Terry, Sarahand Kelly Fox, who are bringing generations
together with their fearless approach to lifecoaching.
Terry, a seasoned city council member andmayor, pairs with her daughter Kelly, a
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seasoned coach and busy mother of six, toguide individuals from all walks of life to a
fearless state of being through theirimpactful workshops and weekly podcasts.
Drawing on the principles of fearless living,which were created by Rhonda Britton, Terry
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and Kelly are here to equip you with the toolsand the skills necessary to triumph over fear
and embrace life with newfound confidence andzeal.
No matter your age or your stage in life,prepare to embark on a transformative journey
to a more fearless you.
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So welcome to both of you.
Terry Sayre (02:13):
Thank you.
Thank you.
Nan McKay (02:16):
Can you share with us the genesis story of how you both decided to work together
because you're really bridging differentgenerations in the.
Terry Sayre (02:28):
Absolutely. Absolutely.
I think when we first started, Kelly became a
life coach before I did.
And as her mom, I had the privilege of
watching her transformation and her gainingconfidence and trusting herself and really
interacting with our whole family and with herchildren in a different way because those are
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six of my grandchildren, which I pay a lot ofattention to.
So I decided then to look into the programmyself.
And so I was coached through the program byone of her colleagues and at that point
decided, this is something I can do.
And so we began doing workshops.
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Then I was first trained as a trainer and thenKelly came along and assisted me and then she
became a trainer.
And as we trained together, we just naturally,
almost organically saw the importance of ourdifferent perspectives.
Me being in my seventy?S and she being in her early forty s and just
that opportunity to bring those differentgenerational perspectives to our work.
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And it changed the way that we implemented andpresented the material.
So that's kind of how it happened for me.
So I'll let Kelly tell you about her genesis.
Kelly Fox (03:44):
Yeah, we started working together first with the podcast, and we have done nine
years of consistently showing up every Mondaynight and doing the podcast.
We've just started our 10th season, so prettycrazy to think about that.
But Terry was doing a podcast with two othercoaches, and they were deciding to come into
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an end with their podcast.
And so she started talking to me, and she's
like, what do you think?You want to do a podcast?
I'm like, okay, let's do it.
And we came up with fearless generations.
We decided to teach the twelve steps tofreedom, and that's how it began.
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And we started working together.
And once a week, we did the podcast.
And then, as Terry was saying, we starteddoing workshops, and then come COVID,
everything online exploded, and people werewilling to do virtual workshops and be in
virtual groups.
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And we started our coaching program, stepping
towards freedom and just keep doing more andmore.
Nan McKay (05:05):
And you both are actively involved in the fearless living program.
That's the one created by Rhonda Britton.
How has this program transformed your personal
lives?And what impact have you seen it have on your
clients?
Kelly Fox (05:24):
It has completely changed my life.
I think that other than my spiritual beliefs,
fearless living has affected my life the most.
Before I think about how I functioned, I
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didn't believe that I was capable of reallydoing anything by myself.
I completely doubted myself in every decisionI made.
I didn't think very highly of myself.
I beat myself up all the time, and now it's so
far from that.
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I trust myself.
I love myself.
I can tell myself I'm beautiful, which was
something I never would have done before.
And I have the confidence to teach other
people these tools, to say, hey, I'm your fearmastery coach.
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My life has completely changed, and I've seenit in our clients, as well.
And just the transformations that we see fromeven just people who come to one workshop is
amazing.
And the people who have been in our coaching
program, where they work with us for a wholeyear, oh, my gosh, the transformations that
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they have had have just been mind blowing andso heartwarming that we were able to be a part
of that journey with them.
Terry Sayre (07:02):
Yeah. Well, as Kelly's mom, I can attest that as I've watched her grow in
confidence, grow in her desire to take upspace in a different way, to be a more
effective mother, to have better communicationskills, and, like she said, to learn to love
and value herself, I think for me, that wasthe initial transformation, was the
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realization that if I could learn to accept mydivinity as a child of God, and I could love
myself as he does, that I could unlock everybit of love that I had within me to share with
others.
And that was the transformational or pivotal
moment in my life.
As I went through the fearless living,
training was the value that I had.
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I had recently lost my husband.
I was struggling as a widow.
I had five children, four still at home.
And I wanted to change.
I wanted to live my life with confidence and
my career.
I was extremely confident.
I had taught school.
I was administrator.
I felt very successful in that arena of mylife.
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Yet my personal life was not where I wanted itto be.
I felt like I was not living up to what I wascreated to do.
And so that was my transformation.
It was learning to care for value and love
myself.
And when that happened, it opened this
floodgate of my capacity to serve and loveothers.
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And that's where sharing as a life coach, andI do leadership coaching with businesses as
well.
But my work as a life coach, where I could
help other women and men to see their valueand teach them the skills that they could
consistently practice that would keep themfrom those traps of addiction.
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And for me, the addiction was perfectionism.
There are many addictions beyond substance
addictions.
And I was addicted to being perfect.
That is a myth and an impossibility.
And when I learned that I could do what I
could, when I could, the best I could, and Ididn't have that angst and that fear every
time I walked out the door that I wasn'tperfect, that was life changing.
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And so helping others to recognize theirvalue, first, walk alongside of them and guide
them through the maze of fear that's created.
We created ourselves, others created around
us.
Society certainly has created a lot of fear in
people's lives, particularly now with thepolarization of our nation.
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And to walk beside people and say, look, youcan take fear's hand, and you can walk down
your chosen path to life, and you can live itto the fullest.
Fear does not have to be in front of you,stopping you.
It's there to protect you, but you can managethat.
And so mastering your fear in a way thatallows you to move forward, you can see how
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that would change people's lives.
And so our clients that we work with, we see
that we get to be a witness to that change intheir lives where they can no longer be
paralyzed by fear, and they can move forwardin their journey the way they want to.
And we can walk beside them, helping them withthe tools and strategies that they can
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practice that will allow them to manage thatfear and to live in freedom in the middle of
chaos.
You can be in the middle of chaos and still be
living in freedom because you are walkingforward, managing your fear and being able to
navigate, care for yourself and move forward.
So my transformation was revelatory in my
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life.
It changed my life.
My daughters can tell you, my other fourchildren will tell you as well.
Mom is not the same person, and I'm sograteful for that.
So that's my story.
And then as a coach, I am humbled and honored
as I walk beside my clients and watch themexperience that same kind of change in their
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lives.
Nan McKay (11:10):
It must be extremely rewarding to see people grow.
Terry Sayre (11:14):
Yes.
Nan McKay (11:15):
Now, Terry, you are the mayor of a city, and being involved in city council and
holding the position of mayor, that must comewith a set of challenges.
So how have the principles of fearless livinghelped you in your role as a public servant?
Terry Sayre (11:35):
Sure. I'll tell you, the idea of running for city council froze me again.
I'm a God girl and I got poked by God to runfor city council to help the homeless in my
community.
And that's been my purpose and my focus on
city council.
I was scared to death.
I would not said, no way, no way, no, I'm notgoing to do that.
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But I was nudged and I followed the nudge.
So I had to overcome a lot of fears just to
run for the office.
The first part wasn't difficult, just getting
my name on the ballot, campaigning.
But when I had to walk my precinct and talk to
strangers and knock on doors of all the votersin my district, that was a die fear.
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And I learned how to overcome that one step ata time, one door at a time.
And I took my campaign manager, who kind ofheld my hand, and I was able to do that.
If I had to do that again, it would no longerbe such a die.
It would just be a risk that I would bewilling to take again.
Fortunately, when I ran again, no one ranagainst me.
So I'm in my second term and I am the mayor atthis time, the first full time woman mayor in
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Tulari.
So I'm very happy and proud that a woman has
taken that place in the years and years ofTulari's municipal government, I'm the first
woman mayor, so that's kind of exciting forour gender.
And just again, to show people that at anyage, I ran for council at 74, I am now 78.
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As the mayor, I still feel 50.
I think age is a state of mind.
But the fearless living concepts of navigatingmy fear, of knowing clearly what I wanted to
do.
So being able to also manage that landscape
with clarity, which is another thing we coachpeople to accomplish, is, what do you want?
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Do you clearly know your focus now?Here are the steps for you to get out of your
comfort zone and navigate that fear one stepat a time, collaborating with your coach and
your colleagues and moving forward.
So it's definitely helped me.
I've brought that, I guess, culture of changein fearless living to the dais.
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I share it with my colleagues, with all thecity staff.
I show them that the importance of servingwith a heart of a servant, not with the heart
of a person trying to grandize themselves ormove into another position, but truly, it's an
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act of service.
In our community, you're not paid.
It is a voluntary job, but you're not on asalary like in very large communities.
I'm in a 70,000 population community.
It's not small, but it's not large
municipality at all.
So we get a stipend to do things within our
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city, and they'll pay for us to attend eventsso that we can be a present and do that.
But I get paid $5 a session to run citycouncil meetings, and they take taxes out of
that.
So you can see it's not a lucrative position
at all.
It's one that fit me as a servant with a
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servant heart.
And as I've said, I focus on the homeless, and
we've made wonderful advancements withmanaging both their safety and the safety of
the constituents of our city.
So sort of in our county, we're the model city
for how we're handling and managing thehomeless population, which I know in many
areas, it's the number one issue.
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All of that.
I would not have had the courage or maybe eventhe dedication, if I hadn't learned how
valuable one person can be and how one personcan make a difference because they understand
themselves, and from that, they understandothers, and they can reach out to others
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because they have the confidence that each ofus has so much value.
Nan McKay (15:51):
What have you done to manage the homeless population?
I'd be curious about that.
Terry Sayre (15:56):
Yeah, you can go on for a.
Kelly Fox (15:58):
While, so be careful.
Terry Sayre (16:00):
Try to be succinct about it.
Nan McKay (16:02):
Okay.
Terry Sayre (16:03):
But in our community, we have a railroad that runs right down the center of
our community.
Like many rural communities in California,
that's how they started, was they were a stopon the railroad.
They were all congregated on the railroad.
Well, within one year, we had 13 homeless
individuals die, either hit by a train, jumpedin front of a train, or were pushed in front
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of a train.
So we worked with a railroad to help us.
We purchased a property where we could have atemporary encampment where they could be safe
and have water and toilets and showers andfood and electricity not in their tents, but a
space.
They could charge their phones, and they could
have those things accessible to them.
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It was voluntary for them to be moved there.
I mean, to choose to go there, but therailroad helped us buy its private property by
saying they could not be on the railroad.
So this gave them.
Well, where am I going to go?Well, I think I'll go to the encampment.
So we have 200 individuals in the encampment.
It's monitored by our police department.
We have a 24/7 monitoring there, and they'reprovided many things.
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Now, I'd like to say it's all peachy keen overthere.
There's still issues every day.
We deal with issues because we're dealing with
individuals who suffer from mental illness,from addiction, from severe depression, from
all kinds of.
Can you imagine living on the street?
And many of these people have lived on thestreet for ten years.
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What would you do?I mean, again, I try to put myself in their
place.
So we're in the process of building a
permanent shelter where all of these people,we provide case managers.
We've housed over 30 of them since they'vebeen there.
So the goal is housed, but there's atransitional period where they have to learn
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how to be housed.
They haven't been housed for so long, so
they're in survival mode.
So we'll be moving them into a permanent
shelter, which will have phases, again to getthem bridged into housing.
So our goal is to get every homelessindividual that wants to be housed and to get
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documentation and work and move back intosociety.
And we've been successful even in thistemporary encampment with over 30 people.
So then 30 more people can choose to come intothe encampment because there's only so many
spaces.
So that's what we're doing.
And we're providing drug addiction training,mental health services, case workers, family
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therapists.
We're providing all of that, because without
that, again, how are you going to change ifyou don't get the tools?
Nan McKay (18:51):
And do you have a housing authority local where you are working with them on the
voucher program?
Terry Sayre (18:57):
Yes, we do.
So many of them are able to get vouchers in
order to go into housing other or privatelandlords.
We also have a very active homeless task forcethat works with multiple agencies.
Self help.
I don't know if you're familiar with self help
and HR communities.
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They are building and renovating motels and
renovating those so people can go into thoseas well.
Other than the voucher eight program underother programs through the housing department
and the task force.
So we have the potential in the next year to
house almost as many as we as want to, atleast out of our community.
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I mean, other communities may have more whichalso have their programs, but it's really
working well.
And I've gotten to know so many of these
people personally, and just they're so anxiousto improve their situations.
Nan McKay (19:57):
That sounds fascinating.
And, of course, housing is my background.
Terry Sayre (20:02):
So that is interesting.
Nan McKay (20:04):
Kelly, let's talk about you a little bit.
Managing, let's say, a bustling for ahousehold with six kids while being a coach
seems like a really hefty task.
So how do you integrate the teachings of your
fearless living into that parenting style?
Kelly Fox (20:27):
Yeah, with the older ones, it can be a little bit of a challenge because they
recognize the language and they're like, don'tcoach me, mom.
You can hear something from someone else andyou're like, oh, that's smart.
But you hear it from your mom and you're like,no, I don't like that.
Right.
So it definitely comes into play with how I
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communicate with them and how we interact witheach other.
But I think the thing that really supports methe most as a mom is doing my work, because
the better I am, the better I can be there forthem and show up there for them, because if
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I'm not doing my own work, then I'm coming tothem not full, like not being able to have
patience or not being able to really devoteany kind of energy to them because I'm empty.
So doing my own work really helps as well asmy husband is very familiar with the fearless
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living tools, and he's been coached himself,not by me, but he has been coached himself and
so knows the language.
And our relationship really affects our family
as well.
And so we're very dedicated to having good
communication skills as well because it takesboth of us to raise our family and to create
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the environment we have in our home.
But I really haven't had a full coaching
practice except for maybe the last six or fiveyears because I was raising babies.
Now my youngest is in first grade.
He's at school for the majority of the day,
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and I have a lot more time that I can devoteto doing coaching and managing all of the
things that it takes to have a business and bevisible and try to affect change in the world.
And so it's a little bit easier now.
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The older ones help with the younger ones, but
yeah, there's always that balance of work andfamily for anyone, whether they work in the
home or out of the home.
And so it takes a realignment sometimes of the
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priorities.
Sometimes it's like, okay, I'm going to step
away from my computer and spend some time withmy kids and not let the work overwhelm the
other opportunities that I have.
To be fearless and to interact with teenagers
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takes some courage and it definitely does forme.
Nan McKay (23:41):
What's the age range? It's six to what?
Kelly Fox (23:44):
20? My oldest is 20 and he's still home, so
they're all still home.
And yeah, my youngest is six.
Nan McKay (23:53):
And either one of you could be either or both.
Walk us through these twelve steps to freedomthat you share in your weekly podcast.
Or is that too long?
Terry Sayre (24:05):
She'll do it more quickly than I would.
Nan McKay (24:08):
And then work in if you can.
How can a person implement these steps in
their daily life?
Kelly Fox (24:16):
Yeah, well, I would suggest listening to our podcast each week, but the
first step is awareness.
It's actually this month that we're doing
awareness.
And so if you follow us on our social media,
we post daily several things that you can beinspired by to up your awareness.
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And we do that each month.
So it's the easiest way, I think, to integrate
these tools.
But just being aware of what they are is the
first step.
Right?
So the first step is awareness.
Then it's willingness, because you can be
aware of change, but if you're not willing todo anything about it, it's not happening.
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The third tool is connection, and that'sconnection with yourself first and then with
others.
The next is compassion.
We have compassion for ourselves.
It always starts with us.
And then when we can be compassionate withourselves, it's much easier for us to be
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compassionate with others.
Accountable is the next step.
And then that's pretty easy to understand.
Being accountable and then it's being in the
present moment.
That is where change happens.
It happens in the present moment, not in thepast, not in the future.
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Happens right now.
And what you decide to do right now, the next
is surrender.
We have all our challenges with wanting to be
in control, and yet we cannot control others.
And there is a lot we can't control.
But there are things we can, and we can beresponsible or accountable for those, but
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yeah, surrendering those things, we can'tcontrol, let it go.
And then it is intention.
So being intentional and on purpose with the
things that we are choosing to do and be awareof.
And then it is possibilities, which is myfavorite one.
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Actually, I switched those.
But anyways, possibilities is step eight.
And just being open and aware to all thedifferent possibilities in front of us and
having the courage to step out and take them.
Trust is step ten.
And it's my favorite one because trust.
Terry Sayre (26:57):
Is the other one.
Was your favorite.
Kelly Fox (27:01):
Sorry.
Trust is something I practice every day,
trusting myself.
And then passion.
Having a passion for your life, a passion foryour purpose and your mission here on earth.
And then love is step twelve.
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So having love for yourself, a love of your
life, a love of others, a love for being infreedom.
And so those are the twelve steps.
Terry Sayre (27:33):
And the amazing part of them is they were created to work in synergy.
And so as you take one step, the next stepjust build upon the first one.
So really awareness, willingness, that goesthrough the entire twelve steps.
So you're just building upon your capacity tomanage your journey.
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And I do a little thing called Terry talksevery weekday.
And that's just a 1 minute inspirationalthought tool strategy around the same step of
the month.
And that is on YouTube.
And you can have it emailed to your email.
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It's very accessible.
And that just a shot in the arm every day tokeep yourself thinking and speaking and acting
in accordance with that step.
And so as you progress from step to step, it
just grows.
Your ability to be aware is heightened.
As you think about being willing andaccountable, as you think about being seeing
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possibilities, as you think about being in thepresent moment, you're aware, you're willing
to be observant, to listen, to usecommunication skills effectively, so that you
can then incorporate, actually internalizeeach of those steps so they become a part of
your processing.
Each of us processes it in a different way,
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yet each of us can benefit from being aware.
But how you process that may be differently,
but it is something that then grows into alifestyle, it grows into the way you take up
space, it grows into your thinking anddecision making processes.
So that these twelve steps can be sointernalized that they do transform and affect
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the way that you process information.
So they grow up on each other.
And each year that we go through them again, Igrow in every area, they become more rigorous,
more automatic, more intentional.
Yeah.
So they're very purposeful and intentional inhow you can live your life on a daily decision
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by decision, choice by choice method.
Kelly Fox (29:48):
Yeah. And we share tools on the podcast and on our social media all the time.
And those tools, we teach you how to integratethem as well.
Nan McKay (29:59):
Well, how you're doing a lot of different things.
Let's take them one by one and see how peoplecould reach you for things like you've got
your podcast, so would you give the name ofit?
Kelly Fox (30:13):
Our podcast is fearless generations.
Nan McKay (30:16):
Okay. And then the second one is you have the YouTube channel Terry, what's
the.
Terry Sayre (30:24):
Terry talks.
Nan McKay (30:25):
Terry talks.
Kelly Fox (30:27):
That's not the name of your channel.
That's what the videos are called.
Her channel is.
Terry.
Ace there coaching.
But they can get access to all of this on ourwebsite, which is fearlessgenerations.org.
So they can find us on all social media asfearless generations with an s on the end
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generations.
And, yeah, we're on Instagram, LinkedIn,
Pinterest, Facebook, and YouTube.
And so we have a fearless generation YouTube
page as.
Uh. But Terry talks is on Terry's YouTube
channel.
Nan McKay (31:08):
Okay. And you also have a group, and how can they sign up for that on your
website?As.
Kelly Fox (31:18):
Can. There's a link to our Facebook group on there.
But our Facebook group is called get fearlessat any age with fearless generations.
But if you look up fearless generations, it'llcome up.
Terry Sayre (31:33):
Is that where they sign up for the program, Kelly?
Kelly Fox (31:36):
No, the program would be through the website.
Nan McKay (31:40):
Okay. So they should really go to your website first.
Kelly Fox (31:43):
Yeah.
Nan McKay (31:43):
And then sign up.
Well, you two are doing some tremendous things
and making such a difference in the world.
It's just fabulous.
Do you have anything else you'd like to add?
Terry Sayre (31:55):
Well, we appreciate you so much.
We had the pleasure of meeting Nan in
California.
She came out for a workshop for master
speaking skills and with Katerina Rando, whichI don't know if you've had Katerina on your
podcast, but I would assume you have.
Nan McKay (32:11):
Yes.
Terry Sayre (32:12):
We met each other there, and it was an instant connection.
And her work.
She and I are very close to the same age, and
both of us think there's no age limit ongrowth, no age limit on service, no age limit
on learning.
And so right away, we connected, because
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that's an excuse people use to sit back ontheir laurels.
And I just feel like the world is full ofopportunities to learn.
And that's what I love, that Kelly and I canwork together, but we have different
experiences and can offer differentperspectives because I've been able to learn
more because I've been here.
Kelly Fox (32:58):
But we're very different coaches because we have different personalities, we've
had different life experiences.
And so when you come to one of our workshops
or participate in our group program, or youlisten to the podcast, you'll see that you're
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getting more than just one perception or oneopinion or one set of experiences.
You're getting two and two coaches, twoadvanced, certified, fearless living coaches
dedicated to you to support you with thechange that you want to happen in your life.
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And we say we bridge you from where you are towhere you want to be.
And we are passionate about that.
Nan McKay (33:55):
Well, thank you so much for sharing with our audience and with everyone that
touches you because I think you have a greatthing going to help a lot of people.
Terry Sayre (34:07):
Thank you, Nancy.
Kelly Fox (34:08):
Thank you.
Nan McKay (34:10):
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