🎙️ Drag, Disruption & Dangerous Laws: Trans Joy in a Bathroom Ban State 🏳️⚧️🔥
Guest: Tacoma / Rachel Lee Motivated
What happens when your drag becomes your protest? When joy is defiance—and survival? And what does it feel like to live, perform, and pee in a state like Idaho under escalating anti-trans laws?
This week on Trans Joy Boise, hosts Bonnie Violet (trans femme, genderqueer, spiritual drag artist & digital chaplain) and Pacey (transmasc, non-binary, mental health & recovery advocate) are joined by the radiant and rebellious Tacoma (aka drag star Rachel Lee Motivated) for a conversation about:
💄 Drag as a tool for protest and community building
📣 The power—and risk—of pushing the envelope on stage
🚻 Living through Idaho’s newest bathroom ban law
🧠 Coping with fear, safety, and survival in hostile states
🏳️🌈 Turning performance into purpose—and joy into resistance
This episode is a raw and heartfelt look at how queer artists are navigating joy, fear, and visibility in dangerous times—and how every stage can become a soapbox.
🧼 Because in Idaho, simply being seen can be revolutionary.
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Bonnie Violet (00:00):
Hey everyone.
How's it going?
I'm Bonnie Violet, transgender,queer, spiritual drag artist,
digital chaplain.
I'm Pacey Trans Mask non-binaryMental Health and recovery
Advocate, and welcome to TransyBoise, where every story, laugh
and act of joy is a stand forour community.
We uplift bold voices, sharereal experiences, and celebrate
trans lives thriving.
(00:20):
Tune in, connect and spread thejoy because trans joy is
unstoppable.
Yes.
I started to lose my voice therein a minute for a minute.
No worries.
It's all good.
We'll get there eventually, andwe, obviously you can folks who
are watching us, you can seethat we do have a guest.
Uh, would you like to go aheadand introduce yourself?
Tacoma (00:41):
Hi, yes.
I'm Tacoma Local Artist,performer.
Um, you might also know me asRachel Lee motivated.
Um, I'm really happy to be here.
Thank you for
Bonnie Violet (00:54):
having me.
Awesome.
We're really stoked to have you.
You were like first on our list,uh, to be a guest when we first
started and got, got going withthe podcast, so it's, we're
excited to, to get you here.
Woo.
Yes.
Yes.
Pacey (01:08):
And I love working with you and stuff in like the
advocacy setting.
You know, getting to do the youevent with the A CLU was really
nice just to see you like in adifferent setting than I'm used
to seeing you, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tacoma (01:22):
Because I'm usually like fake boobs, big heels.
Mm-hmm.
You know, so definitely achange.
Yeah.
This is also great, but
Bonnie Violet (01:29):
yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, I definitely gotintroduced to you through your
drag.
Um, which is just, I think it'svery unique.
I think to, like you, you're,you're your own drag queen.
You know?
I wouldn't say, you can't saylike, oh, you're like this drag
queen or that drag queen, whicha lot of people unfortunately
say like, oh, you're kind of,remind me of this, or kind of
remind me of that.
And, um, I'm always, uh, I Iwould say almost surprised in
(01:52):
some ways'cause you have such arange of what you do.
Tacoma (01:56):
Yeah.
Um, I think it's also, it's ablessing and a curse because
like sometimes.
When I'm looking forinspiration, there's not an easy
way for me to look at like, oh,let's see what this artist does.
Mm-hmm.
Because that's very similar tomy style.
I feel like, you know, humblebrag.
I have a very diverse range ofexpression artistically.
Bonnie Violet (02:18):
Mm-hmm.
And how long have you been doingdrag?
I know you, it seems like you'renewer on the scene here, so to
speak, but I know.
Tacoma (02:25):
I've only, not even two years.
It's gonna be two years inAugust.
Damn.
But yeah, I know it's beenreally fun.
Like probably the best years ofmy life, honestly.
'cause I had to overcome a lotand there were moments where
like it's always been a dream ofmine to like have that stage, to
(02:49):
have that spotlight.
Bonnie Violet (02:50):
Mm-hmm.
Tacoma (02:51):
But.
There were definitely some roughtimes where I didn't feel
deserving or I didn't feel likeI loved myself enough.
Bonnie Violet (02:59):
Mm.
Tacoma (02:59):
But being able to do drag and being welcomed into
such a cool community has reallyhelped.
Um.
Like my own flame, I guess.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I love that.
Bonnie Violet (03:11):
Yeah.
I'm, I'm curious, and I knowthat you're, are you, uh, from
Idaho originally?
Tacoma (03:17):
Um, I was born in Washington.
Mm-hmm.
Um, but I've been here prettymuch my whole life.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I moved when I was
Bonnie Violet (03:26):
a year old.
Okay.
If that.
Mm-hmm.
But, so this is what, you know,have you always been in like the
Boise area or,
Tacoma (03:32):
yeah, yeah.
I've always been in Boise, but,um.
I used to live over closer toKuna, like out by the
Bonnie Violet (03:40):
waterfall.
I can't remember the name of itanyway.
Hmm.
I don't know Kuna very well.
Pacey (03:46):
Yeah.
Yeah.
My favorite thing when youperform was like in the McCall
show that when the straight men.
They love you.
Oh my gosh.
It's, it's hilarious to mebecause like, they get rowdy
about it.
They kind of just like, likeflustered by you and it just,
that is my favorite
Tacoma (04:04):
part.
100%.
Yes.
I, I really love being able tomeet an audience halfway with my
art.
I feel like that's always one ofthe biggest goals of mine that I
strive for because I have a lotof really crazy ideas in my head
and I know.
Sometimes people have othersimilar crazier ideas.
(04:27):
Mm.
And so I feel like there's a lotof magic in reading the room and
like matching that energy with
Bonnie Violet (04:34):
like every performance.
Yeah.
Well also pushing it a littlebit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because I think, I think that'sa hard balance sometimes that I
don't think all artists, and notthat all artists need to do
that, but I think one thingsthat you do well is that you're
able to kind of though meet themwhere they're at, but then push
them a little further, but notin a way that like alienates.
Than from what you're doing,because there's some things that
can be done and you'll be like,okay, that's kind of crazy.
(04:57):
Yeah.
It might even be cool, but, butyou kind of like, I don't know,
you can kind of distanceyourself from it.
Whereas I feel like your drag isa lot more app appro,
approachable.
I don't know if it'sapproachable is the right word,
but I'll take it.
I'll take it.
Pacey (05:10):
Yes.
I think that art is, and alwayshas been a really great way to
spread awareness.
Mm-hmm.
And to, I guess even just like.
A form of rebellion.
Right.
And I think that the way thatyou are able to kind of push the
envelope, it's in a way that is,you know, in settings like at
(05:32):
the balcony, it's kind of likean acceptable way, but also
like, you know, like you're,you're getting this message out
there that otherwise.
Wouldn't be out there right now.
And I think that's so important.
Yeah.
And I think it's great thatyou're able to use the platform
that you have with being thisperformer to help spread this
(05:52):
awareness and to help educatepeople and get people fired up
about the things that we needthem to be really fucking fired
up about.
And that's like something thatonly performers can do.
I think so.
It's so cool to see such like aprominent local performer really
digging their heels in andtrying.
To get people fired up.
Bonnie Violet (06:14):
Yes.
I love that.
And I know you mentioned you hada lot of range in like your
performance and, but do you, doyou yourself kind of have an
idea of like, like how would youdescribe your art?
Maybe your drag and, or maybelike if there's some sort of
message you kind of have that'skind of,
Tacoma (06:30):
you
Bonnie Violet (06:30):
know what I mean?
Tacoma (06:31):
Yeah.
Um, honestly, I really hope thatmy art and the range of it just
reflects how nuanced and variedlife can be.
Awesome.
Because.
I definitely have a lot ofreally stupid numbers where I'm
just trying to get people tolaugh.
I'm just trying to like, youknow, spread joy.
But then there are othermoments, um, where I'm really
(06:52):
trying to like scream at theaudience to get them to like,
get a message.
And there are times where it'slike almost spiteful, I feel
like, and I don't know.
Um.
I really just hope that my arthelps express my emotions
clearly.
Mm-hmm.
To more people.
Bonnie Violet (07:10):
When you say spiteful, could you share
specific, I'm curious about whenyou said spiteful, I'm like,
Ooh, I'm curious.
Tacoma (07:17):
Well, I mean like, um, it's been very tone down just
because I know there's a coupleof, um.
Names I shouldn't name, ornecessarily stances.
I shouldn't oppose, uh,especially performing at
somewhere like the balcony.
Bonnie Violet (07:35):
Mm-hmm.
Tacoma (07:36):
Um, and I really, I.
This is a little sneak peek oflike what I have cooking, but,
um, just this year I produced aJanuary 6th show.
Mm-hmm.
And I had everyone wear likeMAGA caps and Yeah.
Dressed as like fishermen.
And then recently I had the whatabout Straight Pride show, and
there were actually a lot ofstraight people there.
(07:58):
Mm-hmm.
Which was very funny to see likea new audience.
Kind of engage with somewhere,somewhere they wouldn't go
normally.
Bonnie Violet (08:07):
Mm-hmm.
Tacoma (08:07):
Um, but my newest little project I got cooking up is
shaping up to be very divisiveand I'm excited to see what type
of art it helps produce.
Bonnie Violet (08:17):
Oh, nice.
I'm intrigued and curious.
I'm excited to see what that,see what that is.
Yes.
Yeah, I think we've talked
Pacey (08:24):
about it and I'm excited.
That's so important though, to.
Kind of make peopleuncomfortable in a comfortable
setting.
Yeah.
To just kind of like,'cause weneed more people to be educated
on these things and fired up andwilling to go out and support
these causes.
So I fucking love it.
Bonnie Violet (08:46):
Thank you.
Pacey (08:47):
So yesterday was kind of a rough day and I kind of wanted
to talk about that a little bit,um, just because I feel like
some of the people that arewatching this are listening
this.
We will be affected by it.
There was yesterday was thefirst day that, or no, that was,
yeah, yesterday, July 1st.
It was the first day that HB 264 went into effect, and that
(09:08):
was Idaho's bathroom banbasically, where it's for
universities, communitycolleges, prisons, correctional
facilities, and even domesticviolence shelters.
You have to use the restroomthat.
Aligns with the sexier assignedat birth.
Yeah.
And people can sue theestablishment of a restroom if
(09:28):
they see someone that's usinglike the incorrect restroom.
Right.
And I think that, you know, fromwhat I've shared and seen from
responses all over the countryis people are just like.
Mainly saying, don't go toIdaho, or I'm so glad I got
outta Idaho.
Mm-hmm.
And people here are reallyafraid.
Yeah.
And I mean, obviously, yeah,it's terrible.
(09:51):
But I feel like everyone in thecommunity just is starting to
get even more of this weight ontheir shoulders of all these
things that are consistentlycoming out in the news.
Yeah.
Bonnie Violet (10:01):
And I think bathrooms have always been kind
of a challenge for us as it isanyway.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Mm-hmm.
And so I think also with thislike.
It.
I, I think there's a lot ofconfusion or like, I think it's
really easy to kind of blanketthat, that means all restrooms
everywhere in public.
Mm-hmm.
I know that initially that wassome confusion and though it
isn't, that isn't true.
(10:22):
Yeah.
I think it yet, right, exactly.
I think there's the yet, but Ithink it also still, I think for
me, it does add an additionallayer again of like, okay, maybe
it's not.
At a university or at acorrectional facility.
But even just using the restroomin public mm-hmm.
I think makes me think even moreabout it.
(10:43):
Again.
I mean, I've already like, Imean I've already moved around
my life.
Like we, we just drove toSeattle.
Mm-hmm.
And that was where some of thefirst times that I use
restrooms, um.
Not like, not at places.
I know.
And that's partially'cause Ican't go, I can't go eight or
nine hours without peeing.
Right, right.
Yeah, I was, that was my goal.
(11:04):
But you know, luckily, but, butyou know, it was like every time
we stopped it was like, okay, Ineed to pee.
But, um, what's the situation?
You know?
And some of'em have one use,it's not that big of a deal, but
there were a couple times when Ihad to go Oh, yeah.
Into the women's room.
And especially being in like,Idaho, Oregon, Washington, like
some of the stories that you'veheard of, like.
(11:24):
Vigilante, if you will.
Kind of like people who decideto take it into their own.
Yeah.
About, you know, somebody beingin the bathroom, they don't
think they need to is in thoseareas.
And so I was definitely like alittle anxious about it.
We used the buddy system.
We
Pacey (11:38):
did.
Yeah.
Partner went with you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's
Tacoma (11:44):
yeah's your experience with that.
I think it sets a very dangerousprecedent.
Mm-hmm.
Because, just because it's notcodified for all public
restrooms, it gives businesses alegal shield to discriminate
against trans people.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I feel like that's onlygonna drive the fervor even
(12:06):
more, uh, especially with thepushback and the bigoted
response to a stronger queerpresence in Boise.
Pacey (12:16):
Mm-hmm.
Tacoma (12:16):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pacey (12:17):
Just the beginning.
It also makes it like hard forbusinesses that are allies to
continue to support thecommunity because if they're
facing a lawsuit of what, five,$10,000?
Just for, you know, givingsomeone the option to use the
bathroom that they choose.
You know, how are they going tocontinue to do that?
Bonnie Violet (12:38):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, and then I think there'sthe whole issue too, of just
like, how is a, how is auniversity gonna enforce that?
Like, are they gonna havesecurity at the entrance of all
the bathrooms?
Like, are they gonna like stopsomebody before they get in
there?
Like Yeah.
You know, it's, it's, I thinkthat's gonna be interesting I
think to see how universitiesand that are going to, and to
(13:01):
some degree, well, all it takesis one person.
In a fac.
You know what I mean?
Because to me, I think mostuniversities might be like,
whatever, we're not gonna, youknow what I mean?
Like, there's not gonna be anyissue'cause nobody's gonna
complain.
Right.
And you know, that sort ofthing.
But that's not true.
Like it will happen at somepoint.
For sure.
Definitely.
Pacey (13:20):
Yeah.
Well, in the hearings for it,uh, everyone was saying like in
their testimonies, like.
How are you going to enforcethis?
Mm-hmm.
You know, who's going to policethis?
Because it is impossible, right?
Unless like you're either goingto have guards that are doing
these invasive searches, likeinvasive genital searches of the
people that you're claiming toprotect with this bill, or
(13:42):
you're going to leave it up tothe public, and we're already
seeing the consequences of thatnationwide, where people are.
Taking it into their own handsand they're beating people that
aren't even like that one womanwasn't even trans.
Yeah.
And they beat her unconsciousjust for being in the women's
restroom.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bonnie Violet (13:59):
That she was told she had to be in.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, it was where she wantedto be, but you know.
Tacoma (14:03):
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Yeah.
There's a lot of, um, I'mfeeling a lot of fear.
Definitely just with, um.
The enforcement aspect of it,because like you could have,
'cause I notice even allies andeven other queer people, we have
our own biases.
We have our own blind spots.
(14:24):
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
And so like, I can't imaginejust how blind and like I
bigoted straight people or likeguards or whatever type of
enforcement is gonna be,especially somewhere like Idaho.
Bonnie Violet (14:36):
Yeah, it definitely, it definitely puts
the power, if you will.
And tells people they have thepower.
Mm-hmm.
To kind of reinforce it as justlike a normal citizen, right?
Yeah.
To at least it, at least reportit.
But I still think there's somepower in that that will probably
lead to other things as well.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not thrilled.
Yeah.
(14:57):
It's, I dunno.
Well, and there, and I thinkright now, you know that a lot
of the universities and stuffaren't necessarily like.
Deep in class, you know, likethey're not maximum with
students and stuff.
So I think probably come fall isgonna become maybe more of a, oh
yeah, I don't know.
Like something's gonna go down,if you will.
(15:17):
Something.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, and there was a whole lotof other, um, kind of, you know,
like.
This facility bill is one that'slike specifically for trans
people.
But there's a lot of otherrecent laws in Idaho that came
into effect yesterday as well.
You know, now they have theshooting, the firing squad for,
um, death penalties or I.
(15:39):
What do they call the Yeah.
Death penalty capital.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, and then I also know thatthey, um, removed access to like
state funded programs for peoplewho are undocumented for
immigrants or undocumented.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And there was a bunch of others.
I, I told myself I was gonnaremember them all.
Mm-hmm.
And.
(15:59):
I don't remember them all at themoment.
There's too many.
There is.
There's too many to remember.
I saw a person like list like 10uhhuh and, and it didn't even
include the facilities one, youknow, like, I mean it was like,
and she was like, oh, there's somany more.
Like, and so, um, yeah, it's curI'm curious to see.
They also made like, you know,yeah.
I don't know.
(16:19):
It was just a lot of different,um, laws that came, came
Pacey (16:22):
into effect for sure.
And the big beautiful billpassed and like 14 million
people are gonna lose theirhealth insurance.
Yeah.
'cause they're like guttingMedicare or Yeah.
Medicaid.
I'm on Medicaid.
Yeah.
Bonnie Violet (16:33):
I'm, I, I anticipate that I'm gonna lose.
Access to Medicaid.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, and which will then alsothen I'm also a person living
with HIV.
Um, and so I think that wouldput me on an AIDS drug
assistance program through RyanWhite that would make me
eligible because now I'm noteligible through Medicaid.
Um, and, and as it is, I, atTexas Gender affirming care, I
(16:54):
do it through self-pay.
Right now it's like a slidingfee where it's.
Somewhat affordable, but it's,it's a stretch for me to, to
have my gender affirming care.
But it's like super important.
And so like, but with my HIVcare, it's like$5,000 a month
for one medication.
Jesus Christ for one medication.
So I can't do that self pay.
I'm not in a position to likebuy my own insurance.
(17:17):
I don't have a job in which Iget insurance that would cover
that.
Yeah.
And so then I have to rely onthe AIDS drug assistance
program, which I believe'causethey also cut that recently.
On a federal level that we'regonna start having waiting lists
where people living with HIV aregonna have to wait months, maybe
even longer, um, to get accessto their medica, their life
(17:41):
saving medication.
So, and then there's thatlawsuit right now with the A CLU
around access to prep.
Um, there's a doctor in Idaho, Iwanna look into it a little bit
more.
Um, but there is a doctor inIdaho along with the A CLU that
are suing.
The federal government for, uh,some sort of cuts or denials of
(18:01):
access to prep in particularfor, um, I think it actually
might be for undocumented folks,but I think it's more of a
broader stroke of, um, removingaccess to that as well.
Tacoma (18:15):
Definitely.
Um, with all the news, like it'sfeels like overflow.
Mm-hmm.
But the more that I read aboutstuff that comes out, it feels
like.
Very malicious synergy.
Yeah.
And like not only have is likeHRT and Trans healthcare in
Idaho already at risk, but nowlike with Medicaid being gutted,
(18:39):
the after effects of thewithdrawals from people who just
can't afford it anymore mm-hmm.
Are gonna go untreated becauselike queer people.
I don't really have a lot ofhealth insurance.
A lot of us don't have healthinsurance.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I know.
I don't have health insuranceand it's gonna make it very
scary, um, because it places alot of power into like
(18:59):
employers.
Yeah.
Bonnie Violet (19:01):
Um, yeah, it's, yeah.
I think there's, you know,employers are, I mean, I don't
think, and I think part of thechallenge is why some of us.
Don't get the jobs that we getor get to, you know, works in
the fields that we want to ispartially because I think being
in Idaho in particular, it's notan asset to be a trans or queer
person.
Yeah.
In those sorts of settings.
(19:21):
'cause in some ways we justcreate, um.
Um, I think perception of burdenor more problem.
'cause maybe they need to have adifferent bathroom now or they
have to Yeah.
Use pronouns or not, which isnow even like, you know what I
mean?
Like, it's just, I think it'sjust complicated for some folks
and they're just choosing notto.
To fuck with it.
Tacoma (19:41):
Yeah.
Instead of like educatingmm-hmm.
Or seeking to understand more.
They just like shut themselvesoff and Yeah.
Stick their heads in the sand.
Bonnie Violet (19:50):
Yeah.
And not to say all,'cause I dothink there's a lot of other,
like smaller businesses anddifferent groups that are
actually, I think even making aneffort to hire more people, um,
from marginalized communities.
Yeah.
Um, I think for that reason.
Pacey (20:04):
But
Bonnie Violet (20:06):
yeah.
Pacey (20:06):
One thing that we've talked about on here a lot is.
Because I wanna get yourperspective on this is the, the
lines that we have for whatfeels like the moment where
you're like, okay, I need toleave.
Um, so for me it was two of thethree have already been crossed,
(20:26):
so it's like.
And the first one hit and I waslike, oh, okay, well maybe I'll
just wait.
And then the second one hit andI'm like, okay.
So I don't know if I everactually will leave.
Bonnie Violet (20:37):
Mm-hmm.
Pacey (20:37):
But what is the thing for you that will be the moment that
you're like, okay, I, I think I,I actually have to, to flee now.
Tacoma (20:46):
I think it, I don't think I really have any, I mean,
like, I.
Being a black trans personanywhere in America is unsafe.
Um, and I already kind of knowsome of the community here.
(21:08):
I've already kind of built upsomething that feels like it can
grow.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and I have a lot of friendslike.
Thankfully they're able to likeget to more safe environments,
but I'm just like, personally, Idon't feel safe anywhere in
America, no matter where I go.
Right.
Just because I'm kind of thisintersection of like Right.
All the marginalization in theworld.
(21:30):
Yeah.
But, um, yeah, I don't know.
Um, it might be nice to be paidmore in like a different city
and stuff, but.
With how much I've seen inIdaho, it feels like a fight
that I can't ignore.
Bonnie Violet (21:44):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, and I think then maybethis is what I was sensing, but
maybe not what you said, but forme too, a big part of, I think
the reason, the thing that keepsme here is the people who are
still here, um, who I amconnected with and feel.
You know what I mean?
It's like, it's like, yes, we'rein this hard spot, but I have
like these bubbles and I havethese places and this community
(22:06):
that I feel really tight to.
Yeah.
That I know in my experienceliving in other cities, I didn't
have that like I have here.
Right.
Um, and so I think, and that's ahuge thing, especially when
you're talking about, no matterwhere I go, I'm still gonna be a
black trans person.
And so whether I'm in SanFrancisco or I'm in New York, or
I'm like, whatever, I'm stillgonna deal with those issues
'cause.
(22:27):
You know, just because you livein a larger city doesn't mean
you're not gonna be impacted inthose ways.
We hear about it all the time.
Yeah.
So it, and I think for me too,that's just kind of the aspect
of like, well, at least I know,I think some people, what's that
saying?
Like, um, it's better to, like,the evil, you know, is better
than, what's that?
Like, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
Then
Tacoma (22:44):
like the evil you don't,
Bonnie Violet (22:46):
yeah.
So it's kind of like, I know thegross here.
Like I know how it is.
I've been in it, I've survivedin it.
In some ways it's not.
Probably impacting me in theways that it used to,'cause I've
learned to kind of like managethat.
Yeah, I was kind of hearing thata little bit in what you were
saying.
Tacoma (22:59):
Yeah, definitely.
Um, like I grew up here my wholelife, um, basically, so I've
definitely learned to cope withthe unique way that Idaho is
bigoted.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But yeah, I mean, I've seen, um,I've taken a lot of trips over
(23:19):
to Seattle.
Um, and that definitely seemslike somewhere I want to build
up.
Mm-hmm.
And maybe connect to, but Istill think, I don't think I
would, I would leave.
Yeah.
Idaho.
Just'cause I feel like, youknow, if all the, if all the
fight leaves and moves away,then.
(23:39):
They're able to just run freeand create whatever
monstrosities they're getting.
Yeah,
Bonnie Violet (23:45):
I agree.
And I think part of it for me isbeing able to look at, like we,
we did get to go to Seattlerecently.
There was this idea of like.
It is cool to see what'shappening there.
That's so different than here,but for me, oftentimes it's just
like a place to get ideas.
Yeah, yeah.
Inspir of like, how can we dothis here?
Because even like doing thetrans march was not a big like
brand new idea that I had.
(24:06):
It was like I had went to theones in San Francisco for years
and I'd gotten so much.
From that that I was like, weneed that here.
Yeah.
Like I need that here.
And I know so many more peoplewould benefit from it happening
here.
And so I think even part of usgoing to Seattle this weekend
was to begin to really dream andsee what Idaho, I think could
(24:27):
become potentially even amongstall the.
The extra barriers andchallenges that we have here.
Yeah.
I mean, in some ways I feel likewe have more of an urgency, and
I think sometimes urgency is apowerful ingredient in really
getting shit done.
Definitely.
Yeah.
Because we have no choice.
Yeah.
(24:48):
But to respond, we can't becomplacent.
We can't be apathetic like wehave to do something.
Because our lives do depend onit.
Tacoma (24:56):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think what I've seen a lot,especially during pride month,
is this growing number of peoplewho are sick of being silent.
Mm-hmm.
They're tired of looking theother way and ignoring the
problems that are happening.
Um, there's a very strong.
(25:16):
Vocal, majority of bigots, butthey're all cowards.
Hiding away online working aregular ass job like, yeah.
Bonnie Violet (25:25):
Yeah,
Tacoma (25:26):
I know.
It's really cool to see thatthere is a growing resistance
and there are a number of peoplewho.
Are becoming and want to becomebetter allies.
Mm-hmm.
Bonnie Violet (25:36):
Yeah.
So, so one of the things that Ifeel like, I feel like, um, like
in particular, we started thispodcast back at the beginning,
or, well, it was actually at theend of last year, but I think in
the beginning of this, um, I.
It.
I, I don't know.
I feel like personally I've beenstruggling a lot more now with
kind of like having the strengthand the power to kind of move
through.
(25:56):
Yeah.
It's probably more about staminaor endurance if you'll, right.
But I'm curious, what is it thatyou do or how do you, um, find
your strength, um, to kind ofcontinue to show up in community
in the way that you do?
Tacoma (26:08):
I think a lot of that strength, um.
It comes from a very personaljourney I've had.
Um, especially just being inIdaho.
Um, when I was in high school, Ididn't plan to make it to 18.
Hmm.
I didn't plan to make it I 21even.
(26:30):
Um, and so like every day thatI'm alive gives me that
strength.
Mm-hmm.
Um,'cause it proves that I'mstronger than I ever thought I
would be.
Right.
Um, and I hope that I can helpspread that joy and share that
hope with other people.
Bonnie Violet (26:47):
Definitely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that you do.
Yeah.
And I think you just saying thatis, I mean, there's so many of
us that can relate to that.
Yeah.
Those thoughts, those feelings,those fears, the lack of
expectation, if you will.
Yeah.
Disappointment.
Yeah.
How did that, how did you shiftthat?
I'm sure you probably still havedays.
Definitely.
Definitely.
(27:07):
But how did you begin to shiftthat?
Or how would you suggest others?
I.
Tacoma (27:11):
Um, what really helped me was stepping out of my
comfort zone and being willingto educate myself beyond the
beliefs I had previously held.
Bonnie Violet (27:22):
Mm-hmm.
Tacoma (27:23):
I think my willingness to challenge what I know and
what I believe in helped shiftmy mentality into something
that's productive, intosomething that's breathing.
Bonnie Violet (27:35):
Mm-hmm.
Tacoma (27:36):
Because like I was fully down the alt-right pipeline in
high school.
I was ingesting a lot ofself-hatred.
I was ingesting a lot of hatredexternally.
Mm-hmm.
Towards others.
Um, and I think once I waswilling to sit back and
question, okay, who's postingthis stuff?
Why are they posting this stuff?
(27:58):
Um, and just kind of.
Dis disassembled the, uh,propaganda.
Mm-hmm.
In a way, I think being willingto challenge authorities or, you
know, intellectuals, um,regardless of, you know,
identity or politics, um,definitely helped me.
(28:21):
Flip that switch.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and start kind of living formyself and not trying to meet
expectations of like what a manshould be or what a woman should
be, or what a trans personshould be.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or like what a black personshould be.
Mm-hmm.
So,
Pacey (28:36):
yeah, so powerful.
I think if everyone needs to beable to have that level of.
Self-awareness.
And I know that it's reallycommon for people in the
L-G-B-T-Q community to have comefrom sort of a sense of phobia
ourselves, you know, um, justfrom not understanding what we,
(29:01):
or maybe not wanting to acceptlike the truth about ourselves.
And I think it's a journey likeI know I did, but I'm.
Older.
So like when I was a kid in highschool, it was, it was different
than it is now.
We had two gay kids in a largeschool.
Um, but I think that maybe someof the reason that like maggots
(29:23):
can't do that is'cause maybethey're afraid that if they're
open about those things, they'llrealize like.
Oh, I am kind of gay.
Bonnie Violet (29:30):
Mm.
Pacey (29:30):
And then what are they gonna do with like, their
church, their friends, theirfamily.
Mm-hmm.
And I think that if we were ableto get rid of this notion of
like this toxic masculinity, ofthis hyper fixation on
Christianity, I think thateveryone would be so much
happier.
Bonnie Violet (29:46):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, and I think that's why alot of people have a problem
with queer people and transpeople is because we're, we're,
we, we're not buying into thelies that they've bought into.
So even if it's not that they'regay.
But maybe they wanna expressthemselves so they're more
comfortable in an expressionthat isn't so hyper-masculine or
hyper-feminine.
(30:06):
Mm-hmm.
That they can have permissionand be allowed to do that
without being gay or withoutbeing trans.
Right.
Because I think even like as atrans person, I had, it took me
a long time to transitionbecause.
I was like, well, I'm not, Idon't wanna be a woman.
Like, I don't see myself asbecoming a cisgender woman or my
understanding of a woman.
Yeah.
And so, for a long time I nevertransitioned because I didn't
(30:28):
think I was trans enough, or Iwasn't trans even.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I just was a.
Bearded lady or like, you knowwhat I mean?
Like, I don't know, like, it waslike, it took me a long time to
get there because I, to somedegree, even though I was in a
gay box or even a, myunderstanding of a queer box, it
didn't allow enough space for meto become more of who I was
(30:50):
because it felt like I eitherhad to be a fag or I had to like
be a woman and I didn't feellike I was.
Either like faggot was closer,right?
So I think I landed in that boxfor so long, even if I became
flamboyant as fuck and in everyway was kind of a girl, but not,
you know, like, um, to then beable to just own that, okay, I'm
(31:13):
trans and my transness is, iswhat is it for me?
Which is I think sometimesreally hard as a trans person is
like, is my expression todayabout how I feel best?
Or is it about how I feel bestgiven the situation that I'm
going into.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
You know,'cause I know I've hadmoments where I was like, I just
wish I looked like a, a realgirl so that I didn't get fucked
(31:37):
with.
Mm-hmm.
So I could go to the bathroom,so I could go to the grocery
store so that my transness wasnot a thing that I carried with
me everywhere.
Mm-hmm.
Um, but.
I don't think that's what Ireally want.
Like I always feel like I'llalways identify as a trans
person, uh, even if I ever pass,if you will.
Right.
Like, I still don't think Iwould wanna get rid of the
(31:59):
transness.
'cause I feel like being transreally speaks to a, a larger
narrative and a big part of mynarrative of what's taken me to
get there.
Tacoma (32:08):
Yeah, absolutely.
I found that, um, as I exploredmy identity a lot of.
What might be considered liketransition goals were very like
misogynistic.
Mm-hmm.
Or like, um, were very selectivein what I deemed as correct, or
(32:29):
what I was taught was correctfor like a man or a woman.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bonnie Violet (32:33):
Yeah.
Well, and I think having thehead of a queer that I did too,
I think in some ways I wasn'tallowing myself to be go femin
off because I didn't want tolike.
Not be queer anymore because myidentity, my thought of what a
woman is, is so varied.
Mm-hmm.
That even if my womanhood lookedlike getting tits and like, you
(32:55):
know, like look like makeup andlike glammed up and like kind of
got to that level that somehowlike that's not a queer woman or
that's not, you know what Imean?
Like you can't have queernesswithin that.
Yeah.
And so I think for me, that'ssomething that I've kind of.
I've been challenged by, and Ithink I had to become more
comfortable in my quote unquotewomanhood in order to fuck with
(33:19):
the gender a little bit more, ifthat makes sense.
Like I feel like I'm onlyfinally getting into a place
where I feel like I can, that'sone thing I loved about Seattle.
I was like, I can go be aroundqueer people.
Yeah.
So like even though I'm a transwoman, I can like.
I don't know, try to presentmyself more clearly.
Like so like, you know, evenjust putting my hair back this
way, like I feel like it looksmaybe kind of, sort of shaved
or, but it's still femme, but itkind of fucks with it a little
(33:40):
bit.
Yeah.
And that's something I haven'tfelt comfortable with in a long
time because I feel like I haveto read more woman, if you will,
in like Yeah.
You have to like fit into a box.
Exactly.
Which doesn't feel authentic.
Tacoma (33:54):
Yeah.
There's a lot of.
Who a person is that's lost whenyou try to fit into a box.
Yeah.
That society frames.
Yeah.
Bonnie Violet (34:02):
Yep, yep.
Yeah.
And in some ways I think we justhave more boxes to fit ourselves
into.
And I think it's just trying tonot stay in a box.
Yeah.
You know?
And I feel like that's, I.
Yeah.
I feel like that's what queer,queer people in general do, is
that we don't stay in thoseboxes.
You know?
For me, being queer, it's my,it's my gender, it's my
sexuality.
It's my politics.
(34:23):
It's my spirituality.
Yeah.
It's like how I see myself inthe world.
It's how I want the world to seeme in it, you know?
I don't ever wanna be the statusquo.
Right.
Yeah.
And I almost feel like that's acalling.
Even not to get too
Pacey (34:39):
woo.
Whoa.
No, I love it.
I think that, like for mepersonally, I would never wanna
be a cis man.
Right.
You know?
And I think I can speak for atleast some like other trans men,
trans masks.
Like the point for me was neverto be a cis man.
Mm-hmm.
Because why the fuck would Iwant that?
Yeah.
You know, like, yeah.
I think, and I feel likegenuinely, and this is like a
(35:01):
difficult thing that I've had tocome to terms with, it's like if
I had been born.
A cis man, like I would not bewho I am.
Yeah.
Like I would not be asempathetic.
I would be probablymisogynistic.
I would be, and I don't wannaadmit that because I'm like, oh
well I'm still the same person.
Yes.
But I would be socialized sodifferent.
Bonnie Violet (35:24):
Yeah.
Pacey (35:24):
And I don't like, I think there's so much value in being
raised a fab and having thatexperience of what it's like to
be.
You know, a girl in this worldand all of the injustices and
the danger that is just inherentin that life.
Mm-hmm.
And then having the opportunityto see life from the other end
(35:46):
and eventually Right.
Be able to be a voice thatpeople will listen to.
Unfortunately more in a lot ofsettings about those injustices.
Mm-hmm.
And I just.
So when people say like, you'llnever be a real man, I'm like,
fucking, thank God.
Yeah.
I don't wanna be a real man.
That's not my goal.
Yeah.
No.
And like, speaking on the, thefear that a lot of people have
(36:06):
about like their queerness.
I think we're giving these mentoo much grace really, because
I'm thinking like, oh, theyshould be able to like wear pink
shirt if they want.
That's not where they're at.
Where they're at is a lot ofthese.
Really far right.
Men won't even wipe their assbecause they think it's gay.
Right?
And like, or they won't washtheir ass because they think
(36:29):
it's fucking gay.
And people, I've told peoplethat they're like, uh, like
Google it.
Google it.
You will see these poorgirlfriends of these men just
being like, he won't, and, andhe says that it's, it's too gay
for him to do that.
I'm like, okay.
So if we're trying to get peopleto see us as humans and see that
they can also, you know, just bea well-rounded version of
(36:51):
themselves.
They can have femininity, butthey're not even willing to do
like the bare minimum of likebasic hygiene.
Yeah, it's gonna be a struggle.
To just get them to see us ashumans at all.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's, I mean, it'sridiculous.
Seems so extreme.
It's funny, but it's just like,what a sad way to live.
(37:13):
It seems sad.
Yeah.
It's so sad to like be so afraidto come off as gay that you will
go to such extremes that arejust like harmful for you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bonnie Violet (37:25):
It's, yeah.
And it's also, yeah.
I don't know.
It's so, it's a, it just makesme think about like what created
that in in people that you know,'cause I get it.
'cause there's a lot of fear.
We lose a lot, we lose a lot tolive the lives that we live.
Mm-hmm.
(37:45):
Yeah.
We've had to give up a lot.
We've had a lot of things takenfrom us.
We've had to forfeit a lot ofthings that are pretty
important.
To us mm-hmm.
In order to like live the waythat we live.
And I think some people mightnot be able to do that, or maybe
they're so caught up in thatfear that they can't Yeah.
(38:09):
Yeah.
Paralyzed.
Tacoma (38:12):
It breaks my heart a little, I've noticed, um, just
in conversations I've had withlike older people who start to
ask those questions.
Um.
There's so much fear in thatI've seen with older people,
they realize like they couldhave lived their whole lives how
(38:32):
they wanted to.
Bonnie Violet (38:33):
Mm-hmm.
Tacoma (38:34):
And being educated in their later years kind of gives
'em this fear that maybe theywasted Yeah.
However much of their life, um,trying to fit into a box and
trying to be acceptable when.
We accept a lot more thansociety tells us to.
Bonnie Violet (38:55):
Like, yeah.
Tacoma (38:56):
Yeah.
Bonnie Violet (38:57):
I mean, I, I feel that way.
I, yeah.
I came out as a queer, at leastin my twenties, and I would
still feel that there was somuch in my life that I still Oh
yeah.
Kind of like, in some ways Iwished I.
Could have seen the world thenas I do now.
Yeah.
Um, and I'd be blown away at thethought of the person that I
would be today if I could havestarted sooner.
(39:19):
But I think the thing that, butI, I know that it's like, it's a
journey for all of us, and Ithink it's just our part.
In the le like I think in ourlegacy and I believe our
ultimate of like becoming betterpeople for all of us.
Yeah.
And it's just like my journeythough.
Maybe it did take me a while toget here, um, will hopefully
(39:40):
allow others to not have to inthe same way.
And so in general evolutionyeah.
Will continue to evolve eventhough I might have took a
little longer, but I took alittle less longer than.
I don't know the people beforeme or never, you
Tacoma (39:55):
know, some people live and die without being willing to
ask themselves those questions.
Bonnie Violet (40:02):
Yeah.
Well, and I think there'sprobably a certain level of
delusion or whatever that has tobe created in yourself, I think
to really allow, like, at leastfor me, like, like I've had to
be completely oblivious to shit,to like not wanna change, you
know what I mean?
Right.
Yeah.
Um, so, and maybe that's a giftof us being queer, but like, I.
I don't know.
(40:22):
It's just like I can't, not forvery long, at least.
Right.
Yeah.
So you do some work with a localgroup?
Yeah.
Talk about that a little bit.
Tacoma (40:33):
Yeah.
Um, I only really helped with,um, vending, but um, it was a
Treasure Valley Trans DefenseFund.
Mm-hmm.
Bonnie Violet (40:41):
Um,
Tacoma (40:41):
started by Ren Carpenter.
Okay.
But, um, she's putting togetherlittle self-defense kids mm-hmm.
To mail out to.
Any trans person that wants it,um, I believe free of charge.
Bonnie Violet (40:55):
Oh, that's cool.
Tacoma (40:55):
Yeah, I don't really know what's in the boxes, but,
um.
I know they're a really coolgroup.
They kind of got inspired fromother, uh, career chapters, like
along the West Coast.
Along the West Coast.
Yeah.
That's so
Bonnie Violet (41:06):
cool.
Is there a way for people toconnect with that yet, or is it
still kind of in the
Tacoma (41:10):
beginnings?
I know they have an Instagrampage and they've already started
sending out kits.
Okay.
Um, I don't know where elsethey're at, but you know,
hopefully she can correct melater and ask for more
Bonnie Violet (41:21):
details.
Okay.
Yeah, maybe we can have her onsometime too.
Yeah.
Um, have her talk about it alittle bit more, but in the
meantime we will go ahead andput it like in the.
In the chart.
In the chart notes, but I'm likea doctor.
I've been reading too many likeyeah.
Medical stuff, but yeah, like inthe, um, description of the
video or in the podcast orwhatever so people can get
connected.
(41:41):
Yeah.
Tacoma (41:42):
Yeah.
Um, I've also been part of likea smaller group.
Um, we don't really even likehave a name, but it's just me
and like four other people.
We kind of meet.
Once a month-ish.
Mm-hmm.
We read a lot of zines, um, anddo a lot of grounding, like
grief exercises, uhhuh, um, justto kind of build more like
(42:07):
community mm-hmm.
Into build a support systemthat's going to help us
transition into whatever thefuture, the next step.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That sounds
Bonnie Violet (42:16):
really cool.
That's really important.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm like, how does a girl getinto that?
Yeah.
I mean, I don't even really knowhow I got into
Tacoma (42:24):
it.
Yeah.
It was like a signal group chator something.
Mm-hmm.
But, um, yeah, I definitely wantto get in contact and let them,
like, because we've been tryingto organize just like a group
event, just to like a openinvite to everybody.
Mm-hmm.
But, um, hopefully soon, um,have some more details.
Um, I just wanna like, have abunch of zines and have a bunch
of different organizations justkind of.
(42:45):
You know, educate people who areinterested in that kind of
stuff.
Bonnie Violet (42:49):
Mm-hmm.
Tacoma (42:50):
It's
Pacey (42:50):
more important now than ever.
Yeah.
Every day.
I say that.
Tacoma (42:55):
Every day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's
Pacey (42:57):
fucking worse.
Tacoma (42:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm also, I'm hoping to get moreinvolved with bigger groups than
just kind of, you know, anygroup.
Mm-hmm.
Because, you know, we all needeach other at the end of the
day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I really wanna get intouch with A CLU and like you
guys like Yeah.
Yeah.
Been wanting to be on hereforever, so.
(43:19):
Oh, that's cool.
We've been wanting to
Bonnie Violet (43:21):
work with you and connect with you, so we're
excited that it's, yeah.
That it's happening and gettingto see you speak.
I didn't think I've, you know,I've mostly seen you in drag,
so, or you know, in betweendrag.
Right, right, right.
And so it was really cool to geta chance to like, see you on a
panel Yeah.
And sharing your experience.
(43:41):
Um.
As you know, as the person youare Yeah.
In the place that we're at, youknow, and, uh, it was just
really powerful and I'm excitedto get to hear more and see more
and for more people to see andhear.
Yeah.
Um, what you have to say andwhat you have to share.
Tacoma (43:58):
Um, yeah, because, and for the longest time, I didn't
think my story was worth sharingall that much, just because I
didn't see a lot of me.
In the community representinglike who I am.
But the more that you know, themore that I share, um, the more
people come up and talk to meand appreciate my perspective,
(44:20):
um, it helps keep pushing meforward, I guess.
Yeah.
Like I'm really excited to speakmore.
Yeah,
Bonnie Violet (44:28):
definitely.
I'd love to see that.
Yeah, definitely.
We need more people like you,um, that are willing to just get
out in front of people.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And if you don't do it.
Who is Right.
Right.
I know that's been kind of alittle bit of, I think my
mentality too.
'cause in some ways I'm like,no, not me too.
But it is like, but nobody'sdoing, you know, like I sat
(44:51):
around for a while and it justfelt like things weren't coming
together.
And so a lot of the reason why Istarted doing what I do and I
still, the things that I do arethings that I need myself.
You know?
Like I wish I wasn't so selfish,but a lot of the things that I
am a part of creating or puttingtogether.
Are things that I need myself.
Yeah.
Like I need to get with peopleon a regular basis to get outta
(45:13):
myself and to get outta mysituation.
I need to see, you know,hundreds of people celebrating
trans and non-binary people inIdaho.
Yeah.
In order to feel better in theworld.
You know what I mean?
And so, I don't know,
Tacoma (45:26):
I feel like there's like definitely a really big like
feedback loop of that positivityof that want.
To help yourself and to healyourself.
Um, kind of amplifies that needin other people mm-hmm.
To want to heal themselves andhelp others heal.
Bonnie Violet (45:43):
Yeah.
So, and definitely it's very
Tacoma (45:45):
important.
Bonnie Violet (45:45):
Yeah.
And it's very reciprocal.
Reciprocal, yeah.
In the sense of like, we putourselves out in what kind of
might feel difficult ways or.
Like, but in the, in what kindof comes back at you and what
people share with you or whatyou learn about other people, or
see how little things can impactpeople.
It really just, it really feedsback into you in a way too.
(46:07):
At least for me, that makes mefeel a little bit better about
doing it again, or evenstretching a little bit further.
Yeah.
Into my discomfort.
Um, yeah.
Hmm.
I'm excited to.
It is like I got, it was like,we get you here.
And I'm just like, so manythings to talk about and it's
like, yes.
It's always interesting to seelike where the conversation's
(46:28):
gonna go.
And I'm hoping that we can haveyou on here like as often as you
want.
My feeling is you have an openinvitation.
I think president's probably onboard too.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
'cause I think there's, I thinkwe've really only just hit the
tip of the iceberg.
Uh, yeah, yeah, in a lot of waysI, I haven't had a lot of
conversations with you and soI'm really eager to get an
(46:51):
opportunity to just have moreconversations with you and be in
Thank you.
Be in spaces with you more.
Me too.
Definitely.
Pacey (46:58):
Yeah.
Your perspective is veryvaluable.
I know it's so different, likeyour experience is so different
from mine, and I wanna be ableto continue to learn and grow
and learn how to be a betteradvocate.
Um.
And Ally and I'm sure like viceversa for all of us.
Right?
Yeah.
Um, especially with this cominglegislative session.
(47:22):
Mm-hmm.
I think it's gonna be, I knowit's gonna be the worst one
we've ever seen.
It's gonna be really aggressive,like more than last year for
sure.
And I think that, yeah, reallybeing able to get people
together and to learn from eachother's experiences and just
support each other is gonna bethe only way that we get through
it.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bonnie Violet (47:42):
And I, I think we're probably gonna be like
rounding up the episode, but Iwanted to give you an
opportunity that if there'ssomething you'd like to say
either to folks, maybe othertrans and non-binary folks that
are feeling challenged.
Or if you wanna, like, I mean, Idon't know, there's something
you'd like to say, uh, to folkswho might come across this.
Tacoma (48:02):
Yeah.
Um, to any and all trans queeryouth, um, keep fighting, keep
waking up.
Keep showing up for yourselfevery day.
Um, I said it before in thepanel, but like, it's easy to do
it happy.
It's easy to do it when you'reinspired, but do it angry, do it
(48:24):
furious, do it sad, do itdepressed.
Just show up for yourself and dothe work.
Keep on living.
Bonnie Violet (48:32):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, I really liked when you saidthat it's almost like do it all
wrong.
Yes.
As long as you do it.
Yes.
To some extent.
Tacoma (48:39):
Yeah.
Because if you're willing to doit, then you know you're willing
to grow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bonnie Violet (48:44):
And we all get better with it in time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pacey (48:49):
Awesome.
So much for being here.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
Yeah.
I feel like that was a goodepisode.
I feel like I learned some, so,and we'll have you back.
Yes, definitely.
I look forward to it.
Well, that feels good.
Yeah.
All right.
Is there anything coming up?
I don't think so.
Um.
Bonnie Violet (49:08):
It's a holiday and like yeah, 24th of July.
I mean, we are gonna startplanning the trans march.
Mm-hmm.
Um, so that's something to keepan eye out for.
Like it's something we reallyhave to hit the ground running
with.
Yep.
Starting like now, um, being,it's just done September 5th and
then, um.
I know a lot of us are in talksand I kind of wanna put it out
there, but like for next June?
(49:29):
Next June, yeah.
For us to have a festival, atrans festival.
Yes.
In Boise.
Especially since all the gayshit is pushed to September.
Mm-hmm.
I think, I think a lot of folkswill be craving, you know, and I
think there's a lot of folksthat kind of feel a little like
left out, if you will.
Right?
Mm-hmm.
Because there's everythinghappening everywhere else, which
is great to go to other places,but mm-hmm I think it's a really
(49:50):
great opportunity, probably forus to do.
Yeah.
A trans.
Festival.
Pacey (49:53):
Yeah.
Oh, a trans festival in Boisenext June.
It's gonna be amazing.
Yeah, it's awesome.
Restarting to planet and gettingconnections and I think it's
gonna be really, really, youknow, important and beneficial
for
Bonnie Violet (50:05):
everyone here.
I think even better than,'causeI know originally we were gonna
try to do it this year with themarch, but I think this is gonna
be like an even better Yeah.
Way of
Pacey (50:13):
doing it.
And the link to sign up is inour link tree to sign up to
volunteer for the march.
'cause we're gonna need y'all.
A lot of y'all.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah,
Bonnie Violet (50:21):
definitely.
Especially trans and non-binarypeople.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
We want this to be by and forus.
Yeah.
So yes, we love you allies andwe're gonna need you, but we
really need our folks to showup.
Yeah, yeah.
Alright.
Cool.
Alright.
See you next week.
Take care.
Love you.
Bye-Bye.
Five bitches.
Alright.
(50:44):
Thanks for doing that.
Yeah, of course.
It's always.
A journey, we should puttogether a panel.
Hey everyone.
How's it going?
I'm Bonnie Violet, transgender,queer, spiritual drag artist,
digital chaplain.
I'm Pacey Trans Mask non-binaryMental Health and recovery
Advocate, and welcome to TransyBoise, where every story, laugh
and act of joy is a stand forour community.
We uplift bold voices, sharereal experiences, and celebrate
trans lives thriving.
(00:20):
Tune in, connect and spread thejoy because trans joy is
unstoppable.
Yes.
I started to lose my voice therein a minute for a minute.
No worries.
It's all good.
We'll get there eventually, andwe, obviously you can folks who
are watching us, you can seethat we do have a guest.
Uh, would you like to go aheadand introduce yourself?
Tacoma (00:41):
Hi, yes.
I'm Tacoma Local Artist,performer.
Um, you might also know me asRachel Lee motivated.
Um, I'm really happy to be here.
Thank you for
Bonnie Violet (00:54):
having me.
Awesome.
We're really stoked to have you.
You were like first on our list,uh, to be a guest when we first
started and got, got going withthe podcast, so it's, we're
excited to, to get you here.
Woo.
Yes.
Yes.
Pacey (01:08):
And I love working with you and stuff in like the
advocacy setting.
You know, getting to do the youevent with the A CLU was really
nice just to see you like in adifferent setting than I'm used
to seeing you, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tacoma (01:22):
Because I'm usually like fake boobs, big heels.
Mm-hmm.
You know, so definitely achange.
Yeah.
This is also great, but
Bonnie Violet (01:29):
yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, I definitely gotintroduced to you through your
drag.
Um, which is just, I think it'svery unique.
I think to, like you, you're,you're your own drag queen.
You know?
I wouldn't say, you can't saylike, oh, you're like this drag
queen or that drag queen, whicha lot of people unfortunately
say like, oh, you're kind of,remind me of this, or kind of
remind me of that.
And, um, I'm always, uh, I Iwould say almost surprised in
(01:52):
some ways'cause you have such arange of what you do.
Tacoma (01:56):
Yeah.
Um, I think it's also, it's ablessing and a curse because
like sometimes.
When I'm looking forinspiration, there's not an easy
way for me to look at like, oh,let's see what this artist does.
Mm-hmm.
Because that's very similar tomy style.
I feel like, you know, humblebrag.
I have a very diverse range ofexpression artistically.
Bonnie Violet (02:18):
Mm-hmm.
And how long have you been doingdrag?
I know you, it seems like you'renewer on the scene here, so to
speak, but I know.
Tacoma (02:25):
I've only, not even two years.
It's gonna be two years inAugust.
Damn.
But yeah, I know it's beenreally fun.
Like probably the best years ofmy life, honestly.
'cause I had to overcome a lotand there were moments where
like it's always been a dream ofmine to like have that stage, to
(02:49):
have that spotlight.
Bonnie Violet (02:50):
Mm-hmm.
Tacoma (02:51):
But.
There were definitely some roughtimes where I didn't feel
deserving or I didn't feel likeI loved myself enough.
Bonnie Violet (02:59):
Mm.
Tacoma (02:59):
But being able to do drag and being welcomed into
such a cool community has reallyhelped.
Um.
Like my own flame, I guess.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I love that.
Bonnie Violet (03:11):
Yeah.
I'm, I'm curious, and I knowthat you're, are you, uh, from
Idaho originally?
Tacoma (03:17):
Um, I was born in Washington.
Mm-hmm.
Um, but I've been here prettymuch my whole life.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I moved when I was
Bonnie Violet (03:26):
a year old.
Okay.
If that.
Mm-hmm.
But, so this is what, you know,have you always been in like the
Boise area or,
Tacoma (03:32):
yeah, yeah.
I've always been in Boise, but,um.
I used to live over closer toKuna, like out by the
Bonnie Violet (03:40):
waterfall.
I can't remember the name of itanyway.
Hmm.
I don't know Kuna very well.
Pacey (03:46):
Yeah.
Yeah.
My favorite thing when youperform was like in the McCall
show that when the straight men.
They love you.
Oh my gosh.
It's, it's hilarious to mebecause like, they get rowdy
about it.
They kind of just like, likeflustered by you and it just,
that is my favorite
Tacoma (04:04):
part.
100%.
Yes.
I, I really love being able tomeet an audience halfway with my
art.
I feel like that's always one ofthe biggest goals of mine that I
strive for because I have a lotof really crazy ideas in my head
and I know.
Sometimes people have othersimilar crazier ideas.
(04:27):
Mm.
And so I feel like there's a lotof magic in reading the room and
like matching that energy with
Bonnie Violet (04:34):
like every performance.
Yeah.
Well also pushing it a littlebit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because I think, I think that'sa hard balance sometimes that I
don't think all artists, and notthat all artists need to do
that, but I think one thingsthat you do well is that you're
able to kind of though meet themwhere they're at, but then push
them a little further, but notin a way that like alienates.
Than from what you're doing,because there's some things that
can be done and you'll be like,okay, that's kind of crazy.
(04:57):
Yeah.
It might even be cool, but, butyou kind of like, I don't know,
you can kind of distanceyourself from it.
Whereas I feel like your drag isa lot more app appro,
approachable.
I don't know if it'sapproachable is the right word,
but I'll take it.
I'll take it.
Pacey (05:10):
Yes.
I think that art is, and alwayshas been a really great way to
spread awareness.
Mm-hmm.
And to, I guess even just like.
A form of rebellion.
Right.
And I think that the way thatyou are able to kind of push the
envelope, it's in a way that is,you know, in settings like at
(05:32):
the balcony, it's kind of likean acceptable way, but also
like, you know, like you're,you're getting this message out
there that otherwise.
Wouldn't be out there right now.
And I think that's so important.
Yeah.
And I think it's great thatyou're able to use the platform
that you have with being thisperformer to help spread this
(05:52):
awareness and to help educatepeople and get people fired up
about the things that we needthem to be really fucking fired
up about.
And that's like something thatonly performers can do.
I think so.
It's so cool to see such like aprominent local performer really
digging their heels in andtrying.
To get people fired up.
Bonnie Violet (06:14):
Yes.
I love that.
And I know you mentioned you hada lot of range in like your
performance and, but do you, doyou yourself kind of have an
idea of like, like how would youdescribe your art?
Maybe your drag and, or maybelike if there's some sort of
message you kind of have that'skind of,
Tacoma (06:30):
you
Bonnie Violet (06:30):
know what I mean?
Tacoma (06:31):
Yeah.
Um, honestly, I really hope thatmy art and the range of it just
reflects how nuanced and variedlife can be.
Awesome.
Because.
I definitely have a lot ofreally stupid numbers where I'm
just trying to get people tolaugh.
I'm just trying to like, youknow, spread joy.
But then there are othermoments, um, where I'm really
(06:52):
trying to like scream at theaudience to get them to like,
get a message.
And there are times where it'slike almost spiteful, I feel
like, and I don't know.
Um.
I really just hope that my arthelps express my emotions
clearly.
Mm-hmm.
To more people.
Bonnie Violet (07:10):
When you say spiteful, could you share
specific, I'm curious about whenyou said spiteful, I'm like,
Ooh, I'm curious.
Tacoma (07:17):
Well, I mean like, um, it's been very tone down just
because I know there's a coupleof, um.
Names I shouldn't name, ornecessarily stances.
I shouldn't oppose, uh,especially performing at
somewhere like the balcony.
Bonnie Violet (07:35):
Mm-hmm.
Tacoma (07:36):
Um, and I really, I.
This is a little sneak peek oflike what I have cooking, but,
um, just this year I produced aJanuary 6th show.
Mm-hmm.
And I had everyone wear likeMAGA caps and Yeah.
Dressed as like fishermen.
And then recently I had the whatabout Straight Pride show, and
there were actually a lot ofstraight people there.
(07:58):
Mm-hmm.
Which was very funny to see likea new audience.
Kind of engage with somewhere,somewhere they wouldn't go
normally.
Bonnie Violet (08:07):
Mm-hmm.
Tacoma (08:07):
Um, but my newest little project I got cooking up is
shaping up to be very divisiveand I'm excited to see what type
of art it helps produce.
Bonnie Violet (08:17):
Oh, nice.
I'm intrigued and curious.
I'm excited to see what that,see what that is.
Yes.
Yeah, I think we've talked
Pacey (08:24):
about it and I'm excited.
That's so important though, to.
Kind of make peopleuncomfortable in a comfortable
setting.
Yeah.
To just kind of like,'cause weneed more people to be educated
on these things and fired up andwilling to go out and support
these causes.
So I fucking love it.
Bonnie Violet (08:46):
Thank you.
Pacey (08:47):
So yesterday was kind of a rough day and I kind of wanted
to talk about that a little bit,um, just because I feel like
some of the people that arewatching this are listening
this.
We will be affected by it.
There was yesterday was thefirst day that, or no, that was,
yeah, yesterday, July 1st.
It was the first day that HB 264 went into effect, and that
(09:08):
was Idaho's bathroom banbasically, where it's for
universities, communitycolleges, prisons, correctional
facilities, and even domesticviolence shelters.
You have to use the restroomthat.
Aligns with the sexier assignedat birth.
Yeah.
And people can sue theestablishment of a restroom if
(09:28):
they see someone that's usinglike the incorrect restroom.
Right.
And I think that, you know, fromwhat I've shared and seen from
responses all over the countryis people are just like.
Mainly saying, don't go toIdaho, or I'm so glad I got
outta Idaho.
Mm-hmm.
And people here are reallyafraid.
Yeah.
And I mean, obviously, yeah,it's terrible.
(09:51):
But I feel like everyone in thecommunity just is starting to
get even more of this weight ontheir shoulders of all these
things that are consistentlycoming out in the news.
Yeah.
Bonnie Violet (10:01):
And I think bathrooms have always been kind
of a challenge for us as it isanyway.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Mm-hmm.
And so I think also with thislike.
It.
I, I think there's a lot ofconfusion or like, I think it's
really easy to kind of blanketthat, that means all restrooms
everywhere in public.
Mm-hmm.
I know that initially that wassome confusion and though it
isn't, that isn't true.
(10:22):
Yeah.
I think it yet, right, exactly.
I think there's the yet, but Ithink it also still, I think for
me, it does add an additionallayer again of like, okay, maybe
it's not.
At a university or at acorrectional facility.
But even just using the restroomin public mm-hmm.
I think makes me think even moreabout it.
(10:43):
Again.
I mean, I've already like, Imean I've already moved around
my life.
Like we, we just drove toSeattle.
Mm-hmm.
And that was where some of thefirst times that I use
restrooms, um.
Not like, not at places.
I know.
And that's partially'cause Ican't go, I can't go eight or
nine hours without peeing.
Right, right.
Yeah, I was, that was my goal.
(11:04):
But you know, luckily, but, butyou know, it was like every time
we stopped it was like, okay, Ineed to pee.
But, um, what's the situation?
You know?
And some of'em have one use,it's not that big of a deal, but
there were a couple times when Ihad to go Oh, yeah.
Into the women's room.
And especially being in like,Idaho, Oregon, Washington, like
some of the stories that you'veheard of, like.
(11:24):
Vigilante, if you will.
Kind of like people who decideto take it into their own.
Yeah.
About, you know, somebody beingin the bathroom, they don't
think they need to is in thoseareas.
And so I was definitely like alittle anxious about it.
We used the buddy system.
We
Pacey (11:38):
did.
Yeah.
Partner went with you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's
Tacoma (11:44):
yeah's your experience with that.
I think it sets a very dangerousprecedent.
Mm-hmm.
Because, just because it's notcodified for all public
restrooms, it gives businesses alegal shield to discriminate
against trans people.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I feel like that's onlygonna drive the fervor even
(12:06):
more, uh, especially with thepushback and the bigoted
response to a stronger queerpresence in Boise.
Pacey (12:16):
Mm-hmm.
Tacoma (12:16):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pacey (12:17):
Just the beginning.
It also makes it like hard forbusinesses that are allies to
continue to support thecommunity because if they're
facing a lawsuit of what, five,$10,000?
Just for, you know, givingsomeone the option to use the
bathroom that they choose.
You know, how are they going tocontinue to do that?
Bonnie Violet (12:38):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, and then I think there'sthe whole issue too, of just
like, how is a, how is auniversity gonna enforce that?
Like, are they gonna havesecurity at the entrance of all
the bathrooms?
Like, are they gonna like stopsomebody before they get in
there?
Like Yeah.
You know, it's, it's, I thinkthat's gonna be interesting I
think to see how universitiesand that are going to, and to
(13:01):
some degree, well, all it takesis one person.
In a fac.
You know what I mean?
Because to me, I think mostuniversities might be like,
whatever, we're not gonna, youknow what I mean?
Like, there's not gonna be anyissue'cause nobody's gonna
complain.
Right.
And you know, that sort ofthing.
But that's not true.
Like it will happen at somepoint.
For sure.
Definitely.
Pacey (13:20):
Yeah.
Well, in the hearings for it,uh, everyone was saying like in
their testimonies, like.
How are you going to enforcethis?
Mm-hmm.
You know, who's going to policethis?
Because it is impossible, right?
Unless like you're either goingto have guards that are doing
these invasive searches, likeinvasive genital searches of the
people that you're claiming toprotect with this bill, or
(13:42):
you're going to leave it up tothe public, and we're already
seeing the consequences of thatnationwide, where people are.
Taking it into their own handsand they're beating people that
aren't even like that one womanwasn't even trans.
Yeah.
And they beat her unconsciousjust for being in the women's
restroom.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bonnie Violet (13:59):
That she was told she had to be in.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, it was where she wantedto be, but you know.
Tacoma (14:03):
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Yeah.
There's a lot of, um, I'mfeeling a lot of fear.
Definitely just with, um.
The enforcement aspect of it,because like you could have,
'cause I notice even allies andeven other queer people, we have
our own biases.
We have our own blind spots.
(14:24):
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
And so like, I can't imaginejust how blind and like I
bigoted straight people or likeguards or whatever type of
enforcement is gonna be,especially somewhere like Idaho.
Bonnie Violet (14:36):
Yeah, it definitely, it definitely puts
the power, if you will.
And tells people they have thepower.
Mm-hmm.
To kind of reinforce it as justlike a normal citizen, right?
Yeah.
To at least it, at least reportit.
But I still think there's somepower in that that will probably
lead to other things as well.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not thrilled.
Yeah.
(14:57):
It's, I dunno.
Well, and there, and I thinkright now, you know that a lot
of the universities and stuffaren't necessarily like.
Deep in class, you know, likethey're not maximum with
students and stuff.
So I think probably come fall isgonna become maybe more of a, oh
yeah, I don't know.
Like something's gonna go down,if you will.
(15:17):
Something.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, and there was a whole lotof other, um, kind of, you know,
like.
This facility bill is one that'slike specifically for trans
people.
But there's a lot of otherrecent laws in Idaho that came
into effect yesterday as well.
You know, now they have theshooting, the firing squad for,
um, death penalties or I.
(15:39):
What do they call the Yeah.
Death penalty capital.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, and then I also know thatthey, um, removed access to like
state funded programs for peoplewho are undocumented for
immigrants or undocumented.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And there was a bunch of others.
I, I told myself I was gonnaremember them all.
Mm-hmm.
And.
(15:59):
I don't remember them all at themoment.
There's too many.
There is.
There's too many to remember.
I saw a person like list like 10uhhuh and, and it didn't even
include the facilities one, youknow, like, I mean it was like,
and she was like, oh, there's somany more.
Like, and so, um, yeah, it's curI'm curious to see.
They also made like, you know,yeah.
I don't know.
(16:19):
It was just a lot of different,um, laws that came, came
Pacey (16:22):
into effect for sure.
And the big beautiful billpassed and like 14 million
people are gonna lose theirhealth insurance.
Yeah.
'cause they're like guttingMedicare or Yeah.
Medicaid.
I'm on Medicaid.
Yeah.
Bonnie Violet (16:33):
I'm, I, I anticipate that I'm gonna lose.
Access to Medicaid.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, and which will then alsothen I'm also a person living
with HIV.
Um, and so I think that wouldput me on an AIDS drug
assistance program through RyanWhite that would make me
eligible because now I'm noteligible through Medicaid.
Um, and, and as it is, I, atTexas Gender affirming care, I
(16:54):
do it through self-pay.
Right now it's like a slidingfee where it's.
Somewhat affordable, but it's,it's a stretch for me to, to
have my gender affirming care.
But it's like super important.
And so like, but with my HIVcare, it's like$5,000 a month
for one medication.
Jesus Christ for one medication.
So I can't do that self pay.
I'm not in a position to likebuy my own insurance.
(17:17):
I don't have a job in which Iget insurance that would cover
that.
Yeah.
And so then I have to rely onthe AIDS drug assistance
program, which I believe'causethey also cut that recently.
On a federal level that we'regonna start having waiting lists
where people living with HIV aregonna have to wait months, maybe
even longer, um, to get accessto their medica, their life
(17:41):
saving medication.
So, and then there's thatlawsuit right now with the A CLU
around access to prep.
Um, there's a doctor in Idaho, Iwanna look into it a little bit
more.
Um, but there is a doctor inIdaho along with the A CLU that
are suing.
The federal government for, uh,some sort of cuts or denials of
(18:01):
access to prep in particularfor, um, I think it actually
might be for undocumented folks,but I think it's more of a
broader stroke of, um, removingaccess to that as well.
Tacoma (18:15):
Definitely.
Um, with all the news, like it'sfeels like overflow.
Mm-hmm.
But the more that I read aboutstuff that comes out, it feels
like.
Very malicious synergy.
Yeah.
And like not only have is likeHRT and Trans healthcare in
Idaho already at risk, but nowlike with Medicaid being gutted,
(18:39):
the after effects of thewithdrawals from people who just
can't afford it anymore mm-hmm.
Are gonna go untreated becauselike queer people.
I don't really have a lot ofhealth insurance.
A lot of us don't have healthinsurance.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I know.
I don't have health insuranceand it's gonna make it very
scary, um, because it places alot of power into like
(18:59):
employers.
Yeah.
Bonnie Violet (19:01):
Um, yeah, it's, yeah.
I think there's, you know,employers are, I mean, I don't
think, and I think part of thechallenge is why some of us.
Don't get the jobs that we getor get to, you know, works in
the fields that we want to ispartially because I think being
in Idaho in particular, it's notan asset to be a trans or queer
person.
Yeah.
In those sorts of settings.
(19:21):
'cause in some ways we justcreate, um.
Um, I think perception of burdenor more problem.
'cause maybe they need to have adifferent bathroom now or they
have to Yeah.
Use pronouns or not, which isnow even like, you know what I
mean?
Like, it's just, I think it'sjust complicated for some folks
and they're just choosing notto.
To fuck with it.
Tacoma (19:41):
Yeah.
Instead of like educatingmm-hmm.
Or seeking to understand more.
They just like shut themselvesoff and Yeah.
Stick their heads in the sand.
Bonnie Violet (19:50):
Yeah.
And not to say all,'cause I dothink there's a lot of other,
like smaller businesses anddifferent groups that are
actually, I think even making aneffort to hire more people, um,
from marginalized communities.
Yeah.
Um, I think for that reason.
Pacey (20:04):
But
Bonnie Violet (20:06):
yeah.
Pacey (20:06):
One thing that we've talked about on here a lot is.
Because I wanna get yourperspective on this is the, the
lines that we have for whatfeels like the moment where
you're like, okay, I need toleave.
Um, so for me it was two of thethree have already been crossed,
(20:26):
so it's like.
And the first one hit and I waslike, oh, okay, well maybe I'll
just wait.
And then the second one hit andI'm like, okay.
So I don't know if I everactually will leave.
Bonnie Violet (20:37):
Mm-hmm.
Pacey (20:37):
But what is the thing for you that will be the moment that
you're like, okay, I, I think I,I actually have to, to flee now.
Tacoma (20:46):
I think it, I don't think I really have any, I mean,
like, I.
Being a black trans personanywhere in America is unsafe.
Um, and I already kind of knowsome of the community here.
(21:08):
I've already kind of built upsomething that feels like it can
grow.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and I have a lot of friendslike.
Thankfully they're able to likeget to more safe environments,
but I'm just like, personally, Idon't feel safe anywhere in
America, no matter where I go.
Right.
Just because I'm kind of thisintersection of like Right.
All the marginalization in theworld.
(21:30):
Yeah.
But, um, yeah, I don't know.
Um, it might be nice to be paidmore in like a different city
and stuff, but.
With how much I've seen inIdaho, it feels like a fight
that I can't ignore.
Bonnie Violet (21:44):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, and I think then maybethis is what I was sensing, but
maybe not what you said, but forme too, a big part of, I think
the reason, the thing that keepsme here is the people who are
still here, um, who I amconnected with and feel.
You know what I mean?
It's like, it's like, yes, we'rein this hard spot, but I have
like these bubbles and I havethese places and this community
(22:06):
that I feel really tight to.
Yeah.
That I know in my experienceliving in other cities, I didn't
have that like I have here.
Right.
Um, and so I think, and that's ahuge thing, especially when
you're talking about, no matterwhere I go, I'm still gonna be a
black trans person.
And so whether I'm in SanFrancisco or I'm in New York, or
I'm like, whatever, I'm stillgonna deal with those issues
'cause.
(22:27):
You know, just because you livein a larger city doesn't mean
you're not gonna be impacted inthose ways.
We hear about it all the time.
Yeah.
So it, and I think for me too,that's just kind of the aspect
of like, well, at least I know,I think some people, what's that
saying?
Like, um, it's better to, like,the evil, you know, is better
than, what's that?
Like, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
Then
Tacoma (22:44):
like the evil you don't,
Bonnie Violet (22:46):
yeah.
So it's kind of like, I know thegross here.
Like I know how it is.
I've been in it, I've survivedin it.
In some ways it's not.
Probably impacting me in theways that it used to,'cause I've
learned to kind of like managethat.
Yeah, I was kind of hearing thata little bit in what you were
saying.
Tacoma (22:59):
Yeah, definitely.
Um, like I grew up here my wholelife, um, basically, so I've
definitely learned to cope withthe unique way that Idaho is
bigoted.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But yeah, I mean, I've seen, um,I've taken a lot of trips over
(23:19):
to Seattle.
Um, and that definitely seemslike somewhere I want to build
up.
Mm-hmm.
And maybe connect to, but Istill think, I don't think I
would, I would leave.
Yeah.
Idaho.
Just'cause I feel like, youknow, if all the, if all the
fight leaves and moves away,then.
(23:39):
They're able to just run freeand create whatever
monstrosities they're getting.
Yeah,
Bonnie Violet (23:45):
I agree.
And I think part of it for me isbeing able to look at, like we,
we did get to go to Seattlerecently.
There was this idea of like.
It is cool to see what'shappening there.
That's so different than here,but for me, oftentimes it's just
like a place to get ideas.
Yeah, yeah.
Inspir of like, how can we dothis here?
Because even like doing thetrans march was not a big like
brand new idea that I had.
(24:06):
It was like I had went to theones in San Francisco for years
and I'd gotten so much.
From that that I was like, weneed that here.
Yeah.
Like I need that here.
And I know so many more peoplewould benefit from it happening
here.
And so I think even part of usgoing to Seattle this weekend
was to begin to really dream andsee what Idaho, I think could
(24:27):
become potentially even amongstall the.
The extra barriers andchallenges that we have here.
Yeah.
I mean, in some ways I feel likewe have more of an urgency, and
I think sometimes urgency is apowerful ingredient in really
getting shit done.
Definitely.
Yeah.
Because we have no choice.
Yeah.
(24:48):
But to respond, we can't becomplacent.
We can't be apathetic like wehave to do something.
Because our lives do depend onit.
Tacoma (24:56):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think what I've seen a lot,especially during pride month,
is this growing number of peoplewho are sick of being silent.
Mm-hmm.
They're tired of looking theother way and ignoring the
problems that are happening.
Um, there's a very strong.
(25:16):
Vocal, majority of bigots, butthey're all cowards.
Hiding away online working aregular ass job like, yeah.
Bonnie Violet (25:25):
Yeah,
Tacoma (25:26):
I know.
It's really cool to see thatthere is a growing resistance
and there are a number of peoplewho.
Are becoming and want to becomebetter allies.
Mm-hmm.
Bonnie Violet (25:36):
Yeah.
So, so one of the things that Ifeel like, I feel like, um, like
in particular, we started thispodcast back at the beginning,
or, well, it was actually at theend of last year, but I think in
the beginning of this, um, I.
It.
I, I don't know.
I feel like personally I've beenstruggling a lot more now with
kind of like having the strengthand the power to kind of move
through.
(25:56):
Yeah.
It's probably more about staminaor endurance if you'll, right.
But I'm curious, what is it thatyou do or how do you, um, find
your strength, um, to kind ofcontinue to show up in community
in the way that you do?
Tacoma (26:08):
I think a lot of that strength, um.
It comes from a very personaljourney I've had.
Um, especially just being inIdaho.
Um, when I was in high school, Ididn't plan to make it to 18.
Hmm.
I didn't plan to make it I 21even.
(26:30):
Um, and so like every day thatI'm alive gives me that
strength.
Mm-hmm.
Um,'cause it proves that I'mstronger than I ever thought I
would be.
Right.
Um, and I hope that I can helpspread that joy and share that
hope with other people.
Bonnie Violet (26:47):
Definitely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that you do.
Yeah.
And I think you just saying thatis, I mean, there's so many of
us that can relate to that.
Yeah.
Those thoughts, those feelings,those fears, the lack of
expectation, if you will.
Yeah.
Disappointment.
Yeah.
How did that, how did you shiftthat?
I'm sure you probably still havedays.
Definitely.
Definitely.
(27:07):
But how did you begin to shiftthat?
Or how would you suggest others?
I.
Tacoma (27:11):
Um, what really helped me was stepping out of my
comfort zone and being willingto educate myself beyond the
beliefs I had previously held.
Bonnie Violet (27:22):
Mm-hmm.
Tacoma (27:23):
I think my willingness to challenge what I know and
what I believe in helped shiftmy mentality into something
that's productive, intosomething that's breathing.
Bonnie Violet (27:35):
Mm-hmm.
Tacoma (27:36):
Because like I was fully down the alt-right pipeline in
high school.
I was ingesting a lot ofself-hatred.
I was ingesting a lot of hatredexternally.
Mm-hmm.
Towards others.
Um, and I think once I waswilling to sit back and
question, okay, who's postingthis stuff?
Why are they posting this stuff?
(27:58):
Um, and just kind of.
Dis disassembled the, uh,propaganda.
Mm-hmm.
In a way, I think being willingto challenge authorities or, you
know, intellectuals, um,regardless of, you know,
identity or politics, um,definitely helped me.
(28:21):
Flip that switch.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and start kind of living formyself and not trying to meet
expectations of like what a manshould be or what a woman should
be, or what a trans personshould be.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or like what a black personshould be.
Mm-hmm.
So,
Pacey (28:36):
yeah, so powerful.
I think if everyone needs to beable to have that level of.
Self-awareness.
And I know that it's reallycommon for people in the
L-G-B-T-Q community to have comefrom sort of a sense of phobia
ourselves, you know, um, justfrom not understanding what we,
(29:01):
or maybe not wanting to acceptlike the truth about ourselves.
And I think it's a journey likeI know I did, but I'm.
Older.
So like when I was a kid in highschool, it was, it was different
than it is now.
We had two gay kids in a largeschool.
Um, but I think that maybe someof the reason that like maggots
(29:23):
can't do that is'cause maybethey're afraid that if they're
open about those things, they'llrealize like.
Oh, I am kind of gay.
Bonnie Violet (29:30):
Mm.
Pacey (29:30):
And then what are they gonna do with like, their
church, their friends, theirfamily.
Mm-hmm.
And I think that if we were ableto get rid of this notion of
like this toxic masculinity, ofthis hyper fixation on
Christianity, I think thateveryone would be so much
happier.
Bonnie Violet (29:46):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, and I think that's why alot of people have a problem
with queer people and transpeople is because we're, we're,
we, we're not buying into thelies that they've bought into.
So even if it's not that they'regay.
But maybe they wanna expressthemselves so they're more
comfortable in an expressionthat isn't so hyper-masculine or
hyper-feminine.
(30:06):
Mm-hmm.
That they can have permissionand be allowed to do that
without being gay or withoutbeing trans.
Right.
Because I think even like as atrans person, I had, it took me
a long time to transitionbecause.
I was like, well, I'm not, Idon't wanna be a woman.
Like, I don't see myself asbecoming a cisgender woman or my
understanding of a woman.
Yeah.
And so, for a long time I nevertransitioned because I didn't
(30:28):
think I was trans enough, or Iwasn't trans even.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I just was a.
Bearded lady or like, you knowwhat I mean?
Like, I don't know, like, it waslike, it took me a long time to
get there because I, to somedegree, even though I was in a
gay box or even a, myunderstanding of a queer box, it
didn't allow enough space for meto become more of who I was
(30:50):
because it felt like I eitherhad to be a fag or I had to like
be a woman and I didn't feellike I was.
Either like faggot was closer,right?
So I think I landed in that boxfor so long, even if I became
flamboyant as fuck and in everyway was kind of a girl, but not,
you know, like, um, to then beable to just own that, okay, I'm
(31:13):
trans and my transness is, iswhat is it for me?
Which is I think sometimesreally hard as a trans person is
like, is my expression todayabout how I feel best?
Or is it about how I feel bestgiven the situation that I'm
going into.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
You know,'cause I know I've hadmoments where I was like, I just
wish I looked like a, a realgirl so that I didn't get fucked
(31:37):
with.
Mm-hmm.
So I could go to the bathroom,so I could go to the grocery
store so that my transness wasnot a thing that I carried with
me everywhere.
Mm-hmm.
Um, but.
I don't think that's what Ireally want.
Like I always feel like I'llalways identify as a trans
person, uh, even if I ever pass,if you will.
Right.
Like, I still don't think Iwould wanna get rid of the
(31:59):
transness.
'cause I feel like being transreally speaks to a, a larger
narrative and a big part of mynarrative of what's taken me to
get there.
Tacoma (32:08):
Yeah, absolutely.
I found that, um, as I exploredmy identity a lot of.
What might be considered liketransition goals were very like
misogynistic.
Mm-hmm.
Or like, um, were very selectivein what I deemed as correct, or
(32:29):
what I was taught was correctfor like a man or a woman.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bonnie Violet (32:33):
Yeah.
Well, and I think having thehead of a queer that I did too,
I think in some ways I wasn'tallowing myself to be go femin
off because I didn't want tolike.
Not be queer anymore because myidentity, my thought of what a
woman is, is so varied.
Mm-hmm.
That even if my womanhood lookedlike getting tits and like, you
(32:55):
know, like look like makeup andlike glammed up and like kind of
got to that level that somehowlike that's not a queer woman or
that's not, you know what Imean?
Like you can't have queernesswithin that.
Yeah.
And so I think for me, that'ssomething that I've kind of.
I've been challenged by, and Ithink I had to become more
comfortable in my quote unquotewomanhood in order to fuck with
(33:19):
the gender a little bit more, ifthat makes sense.
Like I feel like I'm onlyfinally getting into a place
where I feel like I can, that'sone thing I loved about Seattle.
I was like, I can go be aroundqueer people.
Yeah.
So like even though I'm a transwoman, I can like.
I don't know, try to presentmyself more clearly.
Like so like, you know, evenjust putting my hair back this
way, like I feel like it looksmaybe kind of, sort of shaved
or, but it's still femme, but itkind of fucks with it a little
(33:40):
bit.
Yeah.
And that's something I haven'tfelt comfortable with in a long
time because I feel like I haveto read more woman, if you will,
in like Yeah.
You have to like fit into a box.
Exactly.
Which doesn't feel authentic.
Tacoma (33:54):
Yeah.
There's a lot of.
Who a person is that's lost whenyou try to fit into a box.
Yeah.
That society frames.
Yeah.
Bonnie Violet (34:02):
Yep, yep.
Yeah.
And in some ways I think we justhave more boxes to fit ourselves
into.
And I think it's just trying tonot stay in a box.
Yeah.
You know?
And I feel like that's, I.
Yeah.
I feel like that's what queer,queer people in general do, is
that we don't stay in thoseboxes.
You know?
For me, being queer, it's my,it's my gender, it's my
sexuality.
It's my politics.
(34:23):
It's my spirituality.
Yeah.
It's like how I see myself inthe world.
It's how I want the world to seeme in it, you know?
I don't ever wanna be the statusquo.
Right.
Yeah.
And I almost feel like that's acalling.
Even not to get too
Pacey (34:39):
woo.
Whoa.
No, I love it.
I think that, like for mepersonally, I would never wanna
be a cis man.
Right.
You know?
And I think I can speak for atleast some like other trans men,
trans masks.
Like the point for me was neverto be a cis man.
Mm-hmm.
Because why the fuck would Iwant that?
Yeah.
You know, like, yeah.
I think, and I feel likegenuinely, and this is like a
(35:01):
difficult thing that I've had tocome to terms with, it's like if
I had been born.
A cis man, like I would not bewho I am.
Yeah.
Like I would not be asempathetic.
I would be probablymisogynistic.
I would be, and I don't wannaadmit that because I'm like, oh
well I'm still the same person.
Yes.
But I would be socialized sodifferent.
Bonnie Violet (35:24):
Yeah.
Pacey (35:24):
And I don't like, I think there's so much value in being
raised a fab and having thatexperience of what it's like to
be.
You know, a girl in this worldand all of the injustices and
the danger that is just inherentin that life.
Mm-hmm.
And then having the opportunityto see life from the other end
(35:46):
and eventually Right.
Be able to be a voice thatpeople will listen to.
Unfortunately more in a lot ofsettings about those injustices.
Mm-hmm.
And I just.
So when people say like, you'llnever be a real man, I'm like,
fucking, thank God.
Yeah.
I don't wanna be a real man.
That's not my goal.
Yeah.
No.
And like, speaking on the, thefear that a lot of people have
(36:06):
about like their queerness.
I think we're giving these mentoo much grace really, because
I'm thinking like, oh, theyshould be able to like wear pink
shirt if they want.
That's not where they're at.
Where they're at is a lot ofthese.
Really far right.
Men won't even wipe their assbecause they think it's gay.
Right?
And like, or they won't washtheir ass because they think
(36:29):
it's fucking gay.
And people, I've told peoplethat they're like, uh, like
Google it.
Google it.
You will see these poorgirlfriends of these men just
being like, he won't, and, andhe says that it's, it's too gay
for him to do that.
I'm like, okay.
So if we're trying to get peopleto see us as humans and see that
they can also, you know, just bea well-rounded version of
(36:51):
themselves.
They can have femininity, butthey're not even willing to do
like the bare minimum of likebasic hygiene.
Yeah, it's gonna be a struggle.
To just get them to see us ashumans at all.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's, I mean, it'sridiculous.
Seems so extreme.
It's funny, but it's just like,what a sad way to live.
(37:13):
It seems sad.
Yeah.
It's so sad to like be so afraidto come off as gay that you will
go to such extremes that arejust like harmful for you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bonnie Violet (37:25):
It's, yeah.
And it's also, yeah.
I don't know.
It's so, it's a, it just makesme think about like what created
that in in people that you know,'cause I get it.
'cause there's a lot of fear.
We lose a lot, we lose a lot tolive the lives that we live.
Mm-hmm.
(37:45):
Yeah.
We've had to give up a lot.
We've had a lot of things takenfrom us.
We've had to forfeit a lot ofthings that are pretty
important.
To us mm-hmm.
In order to like live the waythat we live.
And I think some people mightnot be able to do that, or maybe
they're so caught up in thatfear that they can't Yeah.
(38:09):
Yeah.
Paralyzed.
Tacoma (38:12):
It breaks my heart a little, I've noticed, um, just
in conversations I've had withlike older people who start to
ask those questions.
Um.
There's so much fear in thatI've seen with older people,
they realize like they couldhave lived their whole lives how
(38:32):
they wanted to.
Bonnie Violet (38:33):
Mm-hmm.
Tacoma (38:34):
And being educated in their later years kind of gives
'em this fear that maybe theywasted Yeah.
However much of their life, um,trying to fit into a box and
trying to be acceptable when.
We accept a lot more thansociety tells us to.
Bonnie Violet (38:55):
Like, yeah.
Tacoma (38:56):
Yeah.
Bonnie Violet (38:57):
I mean, I, I feel that way.
I, yeah.
I came out as a queer, at leastin my twenties, and I would
still feel that there was somuch in my life that I still Oh
yeah.
Kind of like, in some ways Iwished I.
Could have seen the world thenas I do now.
Yeah.
Um, and I'd be blown away at thethought of the person that I
would be today if I could havestarted sooner.
(39:19):
But I think the thing that, butI, I know that it's like, it's a
journey for all of us, and Ithink it's just our part.
In the le like I think in ourlegacy and I believe our
ultimate of like becoming betterpeople for all of us.
Yeah.
And it's just like my journeythough.
Maybe it did take me a while toget here, um, will hopefully
(39:40):
allow others to not have to inthe same way.
And so in general evolutionyeah.
Will continue to evolve eventhough I might have took a
little longer, but I took alittle less longer than.
I don't know the people beforeme or never, you
Tacoma (39:55):
know, some people live and die without being willing to
ask themselves those questions.
Bonnie Violet (40:02):
Yeah.
Well, and I think there'sprobably a certain level of
delusion or whatever that has tobe created in yourself, I think
to really allow, like, at leastfor me, like, like I've had to
be completely oblivious to shit,to like not wanna change, you
know what I mean?
Right.
Yeah.
Um, so, and maybe that's a giftof us being queer, but like, I.
I don't know.
(40:22):
It's just like I can't, not forvery long, at least.
Right.
Yeah.
So you do some work with a localgroup?
Yeah.
Talk about that a little bit.
Tacoma (40:33):
Yeah.
Um, I only really helped with,um, vending, but um, it was a
Treasure Valley Trans DefenseFund.
Mm-hmm.
Bonnie Violet (40:41):
Um,
Tacoma (40:41):
started by Ren Carpenter.
Okay.
But, um, she's putting togetherlittle self-defense kids mm-hmm.
To mail out to.
Any trans person that wants it,um, I believe free of charge.
Bonnie Violet (40:55):
Oh, that's cool.
Tacoma (40:55):
Yeah, I don't really know what's in the boxes, but,
um.
I know they're a really coolgroup.
They kind of got inspired fromother, uh, career chapters, like
along the West Coast.
Along the West Coast.
Yeah.
That's so
Bonnie Violet (41:06):
cool.
Is there a way for people toconnect with that yet, or is it
still kind of in the
Tacoma (41:10):
beginnings?
I know they have an Instagrampage and they've already started
sending out kits.
Okay.
Um, I don't know where elsethey're at, but you know,
hopefully she can correct melater and ask for more
Bonnie Violet (41:21):
details.
Okay.
Yeah, maybe we can have her onsometime too.
Yeah.
Um, have her talk about it alittle bit more, but in the
meantime we will go ahead andput it like in the.
In the chart.
In the chart notes, but I'm likea doctor.
I've been reading too many likeyeah.
Medical stuff, but yeah, like inthe, um, description of the
video or in the podcast orwhatever so people can get
connected.
(41:41):
Yeah.
Tacoma (41:42):
Yeah.
Um, I've also been part of likea smaller group.
Um, we don't really even likehave a name, but it's just me
and like four other people.
We kind of meet.
Once a month-ish.
Mm-hmm.
We read a lot of zines, um, anddo a lot of grounding, like
grief exercises, uhhuh, um, justto kind of build more like
(42:07):
community mm-hmm.
Into build a support systemthat's going to help us
transition into whatever thefuture, the next step.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That sounds
Bonnie Violet (42:16):
really cool.
That's really important.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm like, how does a girl getinto that?
Yeah.
I mean, I don't even really knowhow I got into
Tacoma (42:24):
it.
Yeah.
It was like a signal group chator something.
Mm-hmm.
But, um, yeah, I definitely wantto get in contact and let them,
like, because we've been tryingto organize just like a group
event, just to like a openinvite to everybody.
Mm-hmm.
But, um, hopefully soon, um,have some more details.
Um, I just wanna like, have abunch of zines and have a bunch
of different organizations justkind of.
(42:45):
You know, educate people who areinterested in that kind of
stuff.
Bonnie Violet (42:49):
Mm-hmm.
Tacoma (42:50):
It's
Pacey (42:50):
more important now than ever.
Yeah.
Every day.
I say that.
Tacoma (42:55):
Every day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's
Pacey (42:57):
fucking worse.
Tacoma (42:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm also, I'm hoping to get moreinvolved with bigger groups than
just kind of, you know, anygroup.
Mm-hmm.
Because, you know, we all needeach other at the end of the
day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I really wanna get intouch with A CLU and like you
guys like Yeah.
Yeah.
Been wanting to be on hereforever, so.
(43:19):
Oh, that's cool.
We've been wanting to
Bonnie Violet (43:21):
work with you and connect with you, so we're
excited that it's, yeah.
That it's happening and gettingto see you speak.
I didn't think I've, you know,I've mostly seen you in drag,
so, or you know, in betweendrag.
Right, right, right.
And so it was really cool to geta chance to like, see you on a
panel Yeah.
And sharing your experience.
(43:41):
Um.
As you know, as the person youare Yeah.
In the place that we're at, youknow, and, uh, it was just
really powerful and I'm excitedto get to hear more and see more
and for more people to see andhear.
Yeah.
Um, what you have to say andwhat you have to share.
Tacoma (43:58):
Um, yeah, because, and for the longest time, I didn't
think my story was worth sharingall that much, just because I
didn't see a lot of me.
In the community representinglike who I am.
But the more that you know, themore that I share, um, the more
people come up and talk to meand appreciate my perspective,
(44:20):
um, it helps keep pushing meforward, I guess.
Yeah.
Like I'm really excited to speakmore.
Yeah,
Bonnie Violet (44:28):
definitely.
I'd love to see that.
Yeah, definitely.
We need more people like you,um, that are willing to just get
out in front of people.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And if you don't do it.
Who is Right.
Right.
I know that's been kind of alittle bit of, I think my
mentality too.
'cause in some ways I'm like,no, not me too.
But it is like, but nobody'sdoing, you know, like I sat
(44:51):
around for a while and it justfelt like things weren't coming
together.
And so a lot of the reason why Istarted doing what I do and I
still, the things that I do arethings that I need myself.
You know?
Like I wish I wasn't so selfish,but a lot of the things that I
am a part of creating or puttingtogether.
Are things that I need myself.
Yeah.
Like I need to get with peopleon a regular basis to get outta
(45:13):
myself and to get outta mysituation.
I need to see, you know,hundreds of people celebrating
trans and non-binary people inIdaho.
Yeah.
In order to feel better in theworld.
You know what I mean?
And so, I don't know,
Tacoma (45:26):
I feel like there's like definitely a really big like
feedback loop of that positivityof that want.
To help yourself and to healyourself.
Um, kind of amplifies that needin other people mm-hmm.
To want to heal themselves andhelp others heal.
Bonnie Violet (45:43):
Yeah.
So, and definitely it's very
Tacoma (45:45):
important.
Bonnie Violet (45:45):
Yeah.
And it's very reciprocal.
Reciprocal, yeah.
In the sense of like, we putourselves out in what kind of
might feel difficult ways or.
Like, but in the, in what kindof comes back at you and what
people share with you or whatyou learn about other people, or
see how little things can impactpeople.
It really just, it really feedsback into you in a way too.
(46:07):
At least for me, that makes mefeel a little bit better about
doing it again, or evenstretching a little bit further.
Yeah.
Into my discomfort.
Um, yeah.
Hmm.
I'm excited to.
It is like I got, it was like,we get you here.
And I'm just like, so manythings to talk about and it's
like, yes.
It's always interesting to seelike where the conversation's
(46:28):
gonna go.
And I'm hoping that we can haveyou on here like as often as you
want.
My feeling is you have an openinvitation.
I think president's probably onboard too.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
'cause I think there's, I thinkwe've really only just hit the
tip of the iceberg.
Uh, yeah, yeah, in a lot of waysI, I haven't had a lot of
conversations with you and soI'm really eager to get an
(46:51):
opportunity to just have moreconversations with you and be in
Thank you.
Be in spaces with you more.
Me too.
Definitely.
Pacey (46:58):
Yeah.
Your perspective is veryvaluable.
I know it's so different, likeyour experience is so different
from mine, and I wanna be ableto continue to learn and grow
and learn how to be a betteradvocate.
Um.
And Ally and I'm sure like viceversa for all of us.
Right?
Yeah.
Um, especially with this cominglegislative session.
(47:22):
Mm-hmm.
I think it's gonna be, I knowit's gonna be the worst one
we've ever seen.
It's gonna be really aggressive,like more than last year for
sure.
And I think that, yeah, reallybeing able to get people
together and to learn from eachother's experiences and just
support each other is gonna bethe only way that we get through
it.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bonnie Violet (47:42):
And I, I think we're probably gonna be like
rounding up the episode, but Iwanted to give you an
opportunity that if there'ssomething you'd like to say
either to folks, maybe othertrans and non-binary folks that
are feeling challenged.
Or if you wanna, like, I mean, Idon't know, there's something
you'd like to say, uh, to folkswho might come across this.
Tacoma (48:02):
Yeah.
Um, to any and all trans queeryouth, um, keep fighting, keep
waking up.
Keep showing up for yourselfevery day.
Um, I said it before in thepanel, but like, it's easy to do
it happy.
It's easy to do it when you'reinspired, but do it angry, do it
(48:24):
furious, do it sad, do itdepressed.
Just show up for yourself and dothe work.
Keep on living.
Bonnie Violet (48:32):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, I really liked when you saidthat it's almost like do it all
wrong.
Yes.
As long as you do it.
Yes.
To some extent.
Tacoma (48:39):
Yeah.
Because if you're willing to doit, then you know you're willing
to grow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bonnie Violet (48:44):
And we all get better with it in time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pacey (48:49):
Awesome.
So much for being here.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
Yeah.
I feel like that was a goodepisode.
I feel like I learned some, so,and we'll have you back.
Yes, definitely.
I look forward to it.
Well, that feels good.
Yeah.
All right.
Is there anything coming up?
I don't think so.
Um.
Bonnie Violet (49:08):
It's a holiday and like yeah, 24th of July.
I mean, we are gonna startplanning the trans march.
Mm-hmm.
Um, so that's something to keepan eye out for.
Like it's something we reallyhave to hit the ground running
with.
Yep.
Starting like now, um, being,it's just done September 5th and
then, um.
I know a lot of us are in talksand I kind of wanna put it out
there, but like for next June?
(49:29):
Next June, yeah.
For us to have a festival, atrans festival.
Yes.
In Boise.
Especially since all the gayshit is pushed to September.
Mm-hmm.
I think, I think a lot of folkswill be craving, you know, and I
think there's a lot of folksthat kind of feel a little like
left out, if you will.
Right?
Mm-hmm.
Because there's everythinghappening everywhere else, which
is great to go to other places,but mm-hmm I think it's a really
(49:50):
great opportunity, probably forus to do.
Yeah.
A trans.
Festival.
Pacey (49:53):
Yeah.
Oh, a trans festival in Boisenext June.
It's gonna be amazing.
Yeah, it's awesome.
Restarting to planet and gettingconnections and I think it's
gonna be really, really, youknow, important and beneficial
for
Bonnie Violet (50:05):
everyone here.
I think even better than,'causeI know originally we were gonna
try to do it this year with themarch, but I think this is gonna
be like an even better Yeah.
Way of
Pacey (50:13):
doing it.
And the link to sign up is inour link tree to sign up to
volunteer for the march.
'cause we're gonna need y'all.
A lot of y'all.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah,
Bonnie Violet (50:21):
definitely.
Especially trans and non-binarypeople.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
We want this to be by and forus.
Yeah.
So yes, we love you allies andwe're gonna need you, but we
really need our folks to showup.
Yeah, yeah.
Alright.
Cool.
Alright.
See you next week.
Take care.
Love you.
Bye-Bye.
Five bitches.
Alright.
(50:44):
Thanks for doing that.
Yeah, of course.
It's always.
A journey, we should puttogether a panel.
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