🛑 Supreme Court Sides Against Trans Youth: Skrmetti Ruling | Trans Joy Boise 🏳️‍⚧️💔 - TRANS JOY BOISE

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Bonnie Violet (00:16):
Hi everyone.
How's it going?
I'm Bonnie Violet, trans, femme,gender queer, spiritual drag
artist, digital chaplain, andI'm Pacey Trans Mask, non-binary
mental

Pacey (00:23):
health and recovery Advocate.

And welcome to Trans Joy Boise, where every
story, laugh and act of joy is astand for our

Pacey (00:30):
community.
We uplift bold voices, sharereal experiences, and celebrate
trans lives thriving.
I.

Tune in, connect and spread the joy because trans
joy is

Pacey (00:40):
unstoppable.

Yes.

Pacey (00:42):
Awesome.
Yes, it is unstoppable, buttoday is a little somber.
Challenged.

Yeah,

Pacey (00:49):
yeah, yeah.
Challenged for sure.

And why is that?

Pacey (00:52):
Well, uh, the Supreme Court has made their decision on
the Sced case, and we talkedabout the S Sced case.
Months ago.
Yes.
In December.
Mm-hmm.
I think we had an event for it.
And the ruling, their decisionwas not what we were hoping for.

Yeah.
Yeah.
What we anticipated, but notwhat we were hoping for.
Yeah.
I, or no,

Pacey (01:16):
I was kind of, I don't know.
I was up in the air with howoptimistic I was.
Mm-hmm.
Because, uh, well real quick, wecould just like maybe start
Yeah, of course.
Yeah.
This for many cases.
Yeah.
And go back to that.
Um.
Uh, there was a ban on genderaffirming care for minors in
Tennessee, and some familiesthere were challenging that and

(01:40):
it went to the Supreme Court andit was called US versus Smei,
and we did an event for that inDecember.

Mm-hmm.

Pacey (01:47):
And it takes them a very long time to make their
decision.
And the decision finally cameout today and they have decided
that it is not unconstitutionalto ban.
Gender affirming care fortransgender minors.
Uh, and it's not discriminatorybased on sex or, or transgender

(02:08):
status.
Right.
So the ban is going to stay ineffect.

Yes.
Yeah.
And that's sad, obviously.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Um.
And so I know that like this isfairly specific to Tennessee.
Mm-hmm.
But it actually means more thanthat.
Do you wanna speak to that too?

Pacey (02:28):
Yeah.
It's basically any state thathas a ban like this is, it's
going to just remain in effect.
Mm-hmm.
And I don't remember how manystates have similar bans, but I,
I believe it's quite a few.

Yeah.

Pacey (02:43):
So, and you know, that's a good point.
This doesn't affect states thatdon't have.
Bans.
So if you're in like a bluestate and you're concerned about
this, this doesn't pertain toyou?
Yeah.
Um, yet

not as of yet.
Not as of yet.
It could potentially be used asa way for other states to begin
to do this sort of thing, ormaybe even at a national level.
But again, for this, this isreally just talking about the
results from a Supreme Courtcase that was seen or heard
mm-hmm.
Like back in December.
Um, and it basically just saysthat.

(03:15):
You know, nothing's going to,that they basically, nothing's
gonna change.
Mm-hmm.
Um, people at Tennessee hasbeen, without, um, access to
trans healthcare free youngpeople right now.
Mm-hmm.
Correct?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Still.
Mm-hmm.
So, and we've been experiencingthat here in Idaho since last
July, so it's almost a year now.
Mm-hmm.
Um, that young people have.

(03:36):
It was, it even, was it It wasbefore this, it was, think that
2023.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
And last year for July was July.
It

Pacey (03:41):
was for adults On Medicaid.
On Medicaid, yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
That's right.
So, yeah.
So it won't affect us herebecause we've already been
living with that.

Mm-hmm.

Pacey (03:51):
But it's, it's really upsetting for me that the
Supreme Court has decided thatbans such as this, that are, I
mean, so inherently.
Phobic and discriminatory.
Like obviously Yeah.
Like obviously that, that thoseare okay.
Mm-hmm.
So I worry that this is going tobe kind of a green light for

(04:14):
other states that have ideas forthings like this.
Mm-hmm.
Or are going to start, you know,imposing bans like this because
they know that it'll be okay andit'll be backed by the
government.

Yeah.
I was just watching a videofrom, from Aaron.
Uh, you know that Oh, ErinParness.
The Erin.
It's called Erin in the Oh, Erinin the morning.
Yeah, Erin in the morning.
Oh yeah.
I love Aaron.
Okay.
And they were talking about theSri medic case.
And I, I be honest with folks,I'm apprehensive about what to
say, just'cause I wanna makesure that I'm passing on like,

(04:47):
good information and I feel likeI'm still learning a lot.
And so, um, I wanna be likemindful of that.
But my understanding was, wasthat she was talking about how
it.
It's, it's basically genderdysphoria is what was kind of
like, um, if you will attacked.
Mm-hmm.
Not, um, like the bias was moretowards gender dysphoria.

(05:09):
Mm-hmm.
The diagnosis than theindividuals.
So it's kind of like, in whatshe was saying, it's like the
medication isn't available forgender affirming care for
anybody, regardless of theirlike, um.
Like, they don't have to betransgender.
They could, you know what Imean?
Mm-hmm.
Because it's all people.
It's kind of like she, shereferenced it back when

(05:30):
interracial marriage was anissue when they fought that
basically.
Well, everyone can have,everyone could have, everyone
could have access to this, butmm-hmm.
You know what I mean?
Like, and I, I don't, I, maybewe can reference it, but mm-hmm.
Um, I, I think that's one of thethings that we're really wanting
to try to like, um.
Balance too, is like making surethat we're putting out the right

(05:53):
information.
Right.
And so Totally.
We're working closely with the ACLU locally here in Idaho as
well as nationally.
Mm-hmm.
We were just in a meetingearlier today with like 500 plus
people from all over thecountry, which was really cool.
So folks know that there are alot of people working hard on
this all the way across thecountry, and Idaho is in that

(06:14):
conversation.
We're in the rooms and we'repart of.
What is happening as well.
So I know sometimes it can feellike Idaho isn't, uh, is kind of
forgot about or flown over, soto speak.
But, um, we are definitely, atleast in the mix with, I think
there was like 47 states orsomething that we're all working
on trying to do some sort ofresponse to what's happening

(06:36):
right now.

Pacey (06:36):
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a good point.
It's.
This is going to have a lot ofreally damaging consequences.
Yeah.
I mean, I was reading somenumbers just in like single
states, like how many people aregoing to be affected by this?
And it is so many.

Mm-hmm.

Pacey (06:56):
And I know that you know, obviously, and we know so many
personally, um.
People's mental health is goingto just deteriorate.
Yeah.
At dangerous rates.
And I worry about what we'regonna be seeing when it comes to
like relapsing with suicide.

(07:17):
Mm-hmm.
I mean, and these are allconsequences that the Supreme
Court, they're all well aware.
Well aware that these are goingto be happening.
Yeah, yeah.
But how can we, as a communityband together and try and help
each other through this because.
You know, even if you aresomeone who is in a state that

(07:37):
isn't going to be affected bythis, just knowing that this is
the opinion held by thegovernment mm-hmm.
Is deeply damaging.

Yeah.
Agreed.
You know, you might think thisis definitely not just like,
it's talking about genderaffirming care for young people.
Mm-hmm.
And it obviously, they're themost impacted by this, but you
know, it's felt throughout.
Throughout the whole community.
I've had a number of textmessages and calls and things
today from people being upset,people being in tears, people

(08:05):
checking in on me, um, aboutlike what's going on and how
people are responding toeverything that's going on.
Or even somebody who's concernedthat their trans partner is
gonna be impacted in a biggerway.
And so mm-hmm.
Uh, and I know people have beenavoiding to talk about it or,
you know what I mean?
And so I think that's a bigthing is we're just trying to
encourage people to, to talkabout it.

(08:26):
Um, yeah,

Pacey (08:29):
I think it was also there was an aspect of people had
forgotten.

Yeah.

Pacey (08:36):
Completely.
And I remember, oh, six monthsago it, yeah, it was six months
ago.
Um, I know that we've beentrying to remind people of it.
Yeah.
And even at like the last week'srally, Sarah spoke mm-hmm.
On this just to kind of remindpeople.
But it has been a really longtime.
Yeah.
But I know that that's probablyalso kind of.
Part of the upset today is justlike waking up to this.

(08:58):
Groundbreaking case.
Mm-hmm.
And it just feels like it cameoutta nowhere.
Yeah.
Because it was so long

ago.
Exactly.
Yeah.
And I think like, kind of likewhat we talked about in our last
episode with people who aregoing, it's Pride Month and how
people were going to Prideevents and I, we had talked
about them becoming morevulnerable mm-hmm.
To being harmed by things.
And I think that's somethinglike, we're kind of in our, like
our month of like, yay,L-G-B-T-Q, and then.

(09:23):
Boom, not young trans people inTennessee and mm-hmm.
You know, beyond.
And so I think in some wayswe're almost, a lot of us, I
think are even more vulnerablemm-hmm.
To the impact right now thanwhat we were say back in
December.
Yeah.
When this first kind of cameinto a lot of ours.
Mm-hmm.
Like minds and hearts.
Oh, totally.

Pacey (09:43):
I was.
I really didn't know what toexpect because, you know, in my
heart I was like, this fuckingcountry is gonna say yeah.
You know, like they're focusingso hard on erasure at this
point.
Mm-hmm.
But there was also a part of methat has been, you know,
following along with a lot ofthese cases.
Yeah.
And there was at least one,maybe two Supreme Court cases.

(10:05):
Where they sided with parents.
Yeah.
Because when it comes down to itwith minors, like it comes down
to either state's rights orparents' rights.
Right.
And that's like probably reallytricky for, for the court,
right?
Yeah.
Especially if they'reright-leaning.
But there were, there's at leastone where they, it was a similar
case and they sided withparents' rights.
So in the having that, in theback of my mind, I was like.

(10:28):
There's a chance that they'regoing to side with parents.
Mm-hmm.
You know, even if they don'tagree with gender affirming
care, they don't agree withtrans identity, whatever,
they're still going to side withparents.
Yeah.
So I was holding out hope, just.
Uh, based on that.

Yeah.
Yeah.
And like you said, you know,maybe here in Idaho as far as
like today or the next fewmonths, nothing's really gonna
change it.
It may impact what we can lookforward to planning in the
future and how things mightlook, but at least for right
now, we're kind of in the samestate that we were.
And I think it's important forpeople to realize, like Idaho
young people have been dealingwith this already.

(11:03):
Mm-hmm.
And they've, they've figured outways to either.
Get gender affirming care inwhatever small amounts, you
know, if maybe for some it'sjust about being able to
socially transition and maybethey don't access to medical, or
maybe they have moments in whichthey can exist as trans and
others are not.
I know many of our young peopleleft, you know, they left and

(11:24):
went to other states and those Ithink are still options for
people I think to be reallyconsider be considering in this.
Time is like, what is it that,that you need or that your loved
one needs in this particularmoment?
And it might be going somewhereelse.
It also might be, there might beother ways that you can get
access to, to gender affirmingcare or other supports.

(11:45):
'cause I know there are stufflike on national and local
levels that you can getconnected to and they can kind
of help families troubleshoot.
Um, how to kind of like dealwith this, and some of it might
be that I can't transition rightnow, right?
Or I can't have access to thingsand then helping people cope
with that as well, which isjust, I.
Devastating to me.

(12:05):
Mm-hmm.
Um, to think of that,especially, it seems that it's
just, we live in a time in whichthat shouldn't be the case.
You know, many of our queerfolks, uh, brothers and sisters
and ourselves dealt with thatas, as teens and mm-hmm.
People in high school or livingwith our parents, or even into
college having to hide theseparts of ourselves because it
wasn't safe.
Because it wasn't Okay.
And it's, I'd like to thinkwe're beyond that.

(12:27):
We've.
We've, you know, like enough ofus have walked that journey to
where the rest of us don't haveto go through it.
And what this does is it, itdoes, it kind of pushes that
narrative, um, potentially on alot more young people Oh yeah.
Than, you know, prior to, ofcourse.

Pacey (12:46):
And that I think that where I'm kind of at today is
I'm kind of oscillating between.
Like cautious optimism, right?
Mm-hmm.
And just anger,

dome and anger.

Pacey (12:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because it's just the, the senseof injustice to me.
Um, and just feeling soincredulous at this because it
doesn't make any fucking sense.
Like, I, uh, made a video aboutthis yesterday where, you know,
of course those attacks inMinnesota mm-hmm.
On the, the Democrats and theguy that was found.

(13:22):
Like the suspect.
Mm-hmm.
He was a, an avid Trumpsupporter and obviously, I mean,
we all fucking knew that wasgonna be coming, but what
they're doing now is they'resomehow pinning it on trans
people like Donald Trump Jr.
Said that the transgendermovement is the most violent
terrorist group or domesticterrorist group in the world,

(13:43):
and.
Just looking at that and like,are you fucking crazy?
That doesn't make any sense.
It's so far removed from it.
Mm-hmm.
But this is just another exampleof it.
Like, you look at these thingsthat are being said and the laws
that are taking into effect andthey're so unfair.
Mm-hmm.
But they're so big, you know,there's this huge systemic pro.

(14:06):
Like it's, it's beyond us.
Mm-hmm.
We can't, I can't do shit aboutit.
And I think.
You know, of course we can dothings on our local level.
We can plan events.
Yeah, we can talk to people.
But in the scheme of things,that's not going to change
fucking anything when it comesto these laws, like at large.
Right.
And that frustration is, it'sdebilitating.

Yeah.

Pacey (14:30):
You know, just that rage that comes with that.

Yeah.
I can definitely feel like,well, why even like.
Why?
Like why even fight?
Why even fight it?
Why even try to move forwardanymore of just like mm-hmm.
Yeah.
It definitely makes you wannalike curl up mm-hmm.
In a ball and Yeah.
Exactly.
And disappear.
Whether it's just for a momentor whatever.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You or no, I was just gonna say,and that's okay.

(14:53):
I think, you know, I think, ohyeah, we need to create space to
have that sort of, um, what'sthe word?
Disappointment.

Pacey (15:00):
Yeah.
And grieve

and grief.

Pacey (15:02):
Yeah.
Grieve it because.
And we've talked about this inthe past.
Mm-hmm.
And it just, it's so sad becauseit feels like every time we talk
about grief and you know, theact of grieving, there's so much
more that we're adding to thatlist.
Yeah.
And it feels like the grief is.

It's like insurmountable, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's kind of like, youknow, it can add up.
Mm-hmm.
You know what I mean?
So it definitely could be, Imean, my understanding is yeah,
like one grief.
'cause I know like when I'vedealt with like, loss of say a
family member or a friend andthen another person dies and I
could be at their funeralmm-hmm.
And be like sad about the otherperson that had died.
'cause maybe it's the same orlike, and grief, grief works

(15:44):
that way even in thisparticular, um, situation as
well.
And so, um.
The big thing is to encouragefolks to, there are like, you
know, there's like if you're alegal person or you're somebody
who really wants to see it inblack and white.
Um, and like figure it out foryourself.
There's a lot of great resourcesfor that.
You can check with the ACL U,both locally and nationally.

(16:06):
Lambda Legal is also a reallygreat place to get some of that
information.
Yeah.
Also, there will be a lot ofactions taking place all over
the country.
Yeah.
In which folks will haveopportunities to one, probably
connect with more of folks whohave these more legal or.
Law related questions as well aslots of opportunity to just kind

(16:29):
of be in community mm-hmm.
And support one another.
Um, and we're, and we're doingthat, we're part of, you know,
the planning of doing that hereas well.
Mm-hmm.
Not only in Boise, but alsothroughout the state.
There are other things that are,that are happening as well.
Mm-hmm.
In Pocatello and Twin Falls.
Yeah.
At, at, that's as far as we knowright now.
Mm-hmm.
Who knows?
There could be more, um, afterYeah.
Potentially, you know, aftertoday.

(16:50):
Mm-hmm.
So, um.
Yeah.
Where do we wanna talk aboutwith this?
Like the events or the eventspecifically, or,

Pacey (17:00):
I think that we can Yeah.
Start, start to, so keep an eyeout for it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because we we're planning anevent this, this Saturday.
Mm-hmm.
Um, at one o'clock, one tothree, um, we believe at Julia
Davis Park.
Yeah.
Um, and it's sort of just anunofficial.
Get together, uh, where we canjust experience community

(17:25):
mm-hmm.
Uh, and kind of grieve together.
And there's sort of an artproject that we're going to be
doing that's really symbolic andbeautiful.
And I think getting us alltogether will remind us that
we're not alone in this.
Because even knowing that I'mnot alone.
It feels like it sometimes.
Yeah.

(17:45):
Mm-hmm.
You know, and especially withthe way that I am, I tend to
really isolate and doom scroll.
Of course.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it just feels like it's sooverwhelming.
So I think that it's gonna be, Iwould really encourage, I.
Everyone to come.

Yeah.
And it's very community centeredand oriented.
Mm-hmm.
So we are gonna have probably anopportunity of a panel or we
might have some sort of likespeaking that happens.
A lot of that is still kind ofgetting developed, but we're
creating it more of like acommunity level.
So it'd be like parents or youngpeople that are talking about
their experience with this, notnecessarily the legal team.

(18:19):
That sort of stuff.
That sort of stuff will comedown the road because there's
still a lot.
Uh, you know, this just came outthis morning.
Yeah.
So there's still a lot of likereading and researching and
learning mm-hmm.
That the legal teams will haveto really look at.
Oh yeah.
In order to kind of begin toreally be in a place in which
they can answer questionsconfidently.
Mm-hmm.
Or really know, you know, soit's gonna take a little bit of

(18:40):
time.
So definitely keep an eye outfor those as well.
'cause those opportunities willcome up obviously to where you
can read something or maybewatch a video.
But we also will be working onhaving some sort of like in
person.
Activity similar.
Similarly, or similar?
Mm-hmm.
To what we did back in December?
Yeah,

Pacey (18:58):
yeah.
Yeah.
'cause this has been.
We've known that the result wasgonna come out in June for six
months.
Yes.
So we've been meetingfrequently, uh, just in
anticipation of the decision.
Right.
So we could get feet on theground immediately mm-hmm.
And plan something.
So while we've been planning,like you can't really,

you can only do so much.
Yeah.
You can only do so much

Pacey (19:19):
until it happens.
So, uh, I just think it's gonnabe a good opportunity.
'cause I know there's gonna be alot of, a lot of big feelings
about it.
Mm-hmm.
And, uh, I don't know if.
People watching or listening tothis, now were following us back
in December, but we did a townhall event that was really cool
with the A CLU Idaho legal team,and they answered a bunch of

(19:39):
questions about the case.
And we invited the community tocome, particularly parents of
transgender kids.
Mm-hmm.
And it was really cool.
We were able to all interact, dosome affirmations, and they were
able to get all their questionsanswered and that is still going
to happen.
Yeah.
Bond Violet said it is just, uh,we're gonna, we're trying to
kind of prioritize just.

(20:01):
An opportunity to get togetherand kind of talk it out

to kind of be in community.
'cause you know, it is pridemonth, so there's all kinds of
things happening.
It's into the summer, so a lotof folks are gone on the
weekends, there's mm-hmm.
Lots of festivals and activitieshappening.
So a lot of that is also tryingto work within, you know, the
summer plans that are alreadyout and about, and so, yeah.
Yeah.
That's why things are mm-hmm.

(20:23):
A little bit more.
I don't know if it's evendelayed, but just things are
created with that in mind.
Yeah.
Of all the things that arehappening,

Pacey (20:30):
and like one event that's happening this weekend is
hetero.
Awesome.

Yeah.
I would rather spend more timetalking about the queer arts
Yeah.
Festival, because that's alsohappening.
Sad about that.

Pacey (20:41):
Yeah.
Oh man.
What?
What a day.
Yeah, there's so much going onright now.
Mm-hmm.
But yeah, the Queerly ArtsFestival, that's gonna be
badass.
Yeah.
And, uh, we were gonna have Muffand Xander on, uh, today, but
there was some schedulingconflicts.
Well, I'm sure

they're working their asses off to get Oh, God.

Pacey (20:57):
Yeah.
And they, they had a bunch ofstuff coming to the store too,
so it's like

they've got so much, I don't know how they're
doing it.
I don't know how they're doingit.
They just opened a store.
They're doing the festival,which is

Pacey (21:06):
so, so cool.
I'm really excited about

them and what they're doing together
individually.
And clearly arts the store aswell as this festival.
Mm-hmm.
I think is gonna be reallyfantastic.
I'm planning on going at leastThursday and Friday night.
Yeah.
But do both.
We'll

Pacey (21:20):
see,

I, so

Pacey (21:21):
far, I am going on Thursday because, uh, my partner
and I are friends with Willowthe Wild.
Oh.
And every time she performs wego.
You go.
Yeah.
Um, but I would like to go justto be a part of community.
Mm-hmm.
And maybe we could.
Do something to just kind oflike we had talked about, just
offer maybe some support orinformation if we're both, if

(21:43):
we're both gonna be there onThursday.

Yeah.

Pacey (21:45):
Um,

we might, I don't know.
We might.
Yeah.
We'll keep an eye out guys.
We'll, um, and if you ever seeus out in public.
Don't hesitate.
Like coming up to us, talking tous, saying hello.
Exactly.
Yeah.
We'd actually like it.

Pacey (21:56):
Yeah.
And in spite of like how I look,I'm nice.
Yes.
And I love talking to people anduh, it honestly makes my day
whenever I'm able to talk to, tosomeone about.
About this stuff.
Yeah.
Like at Pride, it was so fun,

and I tend to be more of like a wallflower type
person.
Yeah.
Especially like in publicsettings or whatever.
If I don't have to be on, so tospeak.
Mm-hmm.
Then I'm just like, I'm coolwith just kicking back and just
Yeah.
Watching what's happening.
So, exactly.
If you ever see me kind of inthat zone, or I, I've had people
say that like, I seem like I'mkind of a bitch because I don't.

(22:32):
Maybe engage or you didn't comesay hello to me and it was like,
I didn't come say hello to youbecause I was being a bitch.
I just was probably nervous.
Yeah.
Anxious.
Uh, or I was just kind of likein my whole, in a whole nother
world.
Yeah.
I would never intentionally justbe like a bitch to anyone.
Yeah.

Pacey (22:50):
Like the social anxiety, I, it's a

lot.
Oh, it's big.
Yeah.
It, yeah, it's huge.
And I think people assume whenthey see us on like podcasts or
mm-hmm.
You know, even like.
And seeing something orwhatever, they're gonna be like,
oh, you're always outgoing.
It's like, no, actually, andit's, it's surprising or maybe
not so surprising how manypeople who are in the public eye
very much are that way.

Pacey (23:10):
Yeah.
I get comments on it sometimes.
Yeah.
They're, they just assume thatI'm really confident and
outgoing and I'm like, I am theopposite, but,

and yet you are too.
I mean, not in a way that'slike.
I think it's, in a way, I mean,'cause you are, you are, um, you
are smart, you know, a lot likeyou, you know what I mean?
Like, you have reason to haveconfidence in like who you are
and how you show up in theworld.
Like likewise, but it's like theanxiety.
But there's still,

Pacey (23:38):
but yeah.
But yeah, I, I think that whatare you, what are you gonna do
for self-care today?

Today.

Pacey (23:50):
Mm-hmm.
Because,'cause today has been,like we've talked about it
before, where even if it's agood day

mm-hmm.

Pacey (23:58):
And, you know, I'm doing things that I enjoy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
My, my nervous system is stilllike,

yeah, yeah.
Freaked

Pacey (24:06):
out.
And I feel like today it's evenmore so because I can distract
myself as much as I want, but Iam very upset.
And disturbed, like within?

Yeah.
I mean, me and my partner, wemade a nice, uh, we, we did tuna
melts in between.
That sounds good.
In between the meetings and thennow the recording of this, which
was just nice to sit, sit back,you know, make a meal together
and then chill.
So that was nice.
And then actually, I mean,meeting with you here today and
just, we haven't.
I feel like we haven't connectedlike this in a minute.

(24:38):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And so I was looking forward tojust getting to be in the same
re room with you.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I know this seems, and it isto some degree work related ish,
but it also, like, I value ourfriendship and our connection
and so I've never know.
I've been thinking Frida's beenoutta town for a few days.
My roommate, I'm hoping to getto see her.
The comedy show workshop istonight.

(24:59):
Yeah.
I've been going back and forthabout whether or not I feel up
to doing that, and so, yeah.
I, I don't, I don't know.
How about you?

Pacey (25:08):
I, you know, I'm really not sure either.
Yeah.
I, I want to, like, my knee jerkresponse is like, I want cheese
fries, or nachos.
Like, those are my comfort foodwhen I want, why not?
But I've been eating so muchbetter lately.
Mm-hmm.
So maybe, but I don't know,maybe work on some art.
I think that all of this anger.

(25:31):
Um, I've gotta put it somewhere.

Mm-hmm.

Pacey (25:34):
So, channeling it into art somehow, I just, it feels
like all of the phobia isgetting so much louder, like not
just on a national level withthese laws, but even just day to
day.
Yeah.
Personal interactions withpeople like downtown at like

(25:55):
last night, my partner and I hada really weird interaction at
the restaurant that we were at,and it's just, it feels like
it's constant and it could justbe that I'm looking for it now.
Uh, right.
But I don't, I don't believe

that that's, I mean, two things can be true.

Pacey (26:10):
Yeah.
I

mean, it's reason for us to have anxiety mm-hmm.
In public and be worried aboutthose sorts of things.
And, and people are doing shittythings too, you know what I
mean?
Yeah.
It doesn't.
Take away from it, but it can beconfusing sometimes.

Pacey (26:23):
Yeah.

I just, I think I'm just

Pacey (26:26):
fed up and burnt out, and I've talked to a few people that
have been talking, you know,about feeling similarly, like
with the, with the burnout, likefeeling like they can't go and
be present at certain thingslike the protests, rallies, or
events, but they're doing their.
Advocacy through their work orwhatever.

(26:47):
Yeah.
And I'm like, I, yeah,

yeah.
I had to bounce the 50 51mm-hmm.
Rally last week, which I wasbummed'cause it was like 4,000
people, which was awesome.
Yeah.
But, um, but I also, like, Ijust couldn't, I, I, I have some
personal things going on and Ijust kind of had to create some
space.
To sit in that a little bit.
Mm-hmm.
And I just didn't have thecapacity to like to show up.

(27:11):
I watched it on TikTok.
Yeah.
So it was kind of like I wasthere.
Yeah.
But I just didn't feel like Icould bring myself to, to go
physically.
It was a

Pacey (27:21):
lot like there because it's getting bigger.
Mm-hmm.
They're getting more protestorsand there's this little shit
child.
Yeah.
That made me so fucking mad.
And, but then I'm also like,those things kind of, they tend
to bring out, not the worst ofme, but parts of me that I am
trying to get rid of.

(27:41):
Mm-hmm.
So there, it probably speaks tothe child in

you.

Pacey (27:44):
Yeah.
Yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe becauseI was walking around filming a
little bit.
Mm-hmm.
And, uh, right at the front,like behind the, the statue, so
you could see like the wholeview of like the courthouse,
everything.
Mm-hmm.
Or the capitol.
There are these two teenagersholding a Make America greet
again.

Oh flag.

Pacey (28:01):
And they were there with their, their dad.
As we see a lot, like peoplebring their children'cause their
kids can't get in trouble and.
I wasn't doing anything andthese kids started talking shit
to me and I immediately got mad.

Mm-hmm.

Pacey (28:16):
And I wasn't talking shit to like the dad or anything, but
they were engaging with me and Iwas engaging back.

Mm-hmm.

Pacey (28:22):
And I know that, and the other people that were at the
protest were doing, were gettingweighed into what the it with
these cases, I gotta go away.

Right, right.
But it's

Pacey (28:31):
like they have every right to be there and they're
only, they're there toinstigate.
But I just, I feel like I'm notat a place where I can deal with
that shit.
Yeah, I know.
And it was not a good time you,

yeah.

Pacey (28:46):
And then after I left, 'cause I had to leave because I
went outta town, it seems likeit was just, it got, it got real
rowdy.

Yeah.

Pacey (28:53):
And there were a lot of.
Not great things that happened.

Yeah.
It seemed like there were a lotof mixed, uh, there was a lot
happening all at once.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And a lot of opinions and a lotof like, just a lot of like
conflicting things happening atthe same time.
Um, though overall it seemedpretty great.
Yeah.
And it was cool, I think to bepart of the, again, the bigger
picture, at least for me.

(29:17):
I think it feels good to be likeincluded in the rest of the
country when they're talkingabout.
You know, the rallies and Ohyeah.
Who showed up and showed out andthose sorts of things.
It was sad to see someone getshot and killed in Salt Lake
City.
Yeah.
Um, and some of the other thingsthat happened

Pacey (29:33):
this

weekend.

Pacey (29:34):
Mm-hmm.
But yeah, I agree.
I, I think that, I don't knowwhat it says about me as a
person, but that kid made me somad.
Mm-hmm.
But it really inspired me to.
Completely changed my workoutplan.
Oh yeah.
And yeah,

get even more buff.
I'm not worried

Pacey (29:52):
about,'cause I had been cutting and I was trying to
lower my body fat percentage soI could build muscle, but now
I'm just like, I just need toget bigger.
Just wanna get Yeah.
Just because, and not because Iwanted to like fight a child.
That's not what I'm trying tosay.
We know.
Um, but.
Because I feel like having likea, a broad back and like a
bigger frame, I would be able topass better or at least blend

(30:14):
in.
Mm-hmm.
And be more, or at least peoplealso be like, I'm not gonna fuck
with him.
Yeah.
Maybe.
Yeah.
A little bit.
But I just, I feel like I wouldbe able to blend in a little bit
better and I, I hate that that'swhere we are now.
'cause I've seen other peoplepost about this.
Mm-hmm.
Particular thing where they'vebeen starting to.
Focus more on their body andwhat they can do to change it or

(30:36):
if they're being unhealthybecause of their, the perception
of other people.

Yeah.
It's like, it's like, I thinkthat's one of those things that,
like even early in my transitionwas like, I identify and see
myself more as a queer woman.
Mm-hmm.
But there are times I wish Ijust tra I just passed as a
cisgender woman because it wouldbe easier.
Mm-hmm.
And I wonder how much, like,does that impact you?
Do you like?

(31:00):
I dunno.
'cause sometimes I feel like, amI, am I trying or working toward
having this look or thisaesthetic because it'll be
easier for society to consumeme.
Mm-hmm.
Or is it what feels best to me?
You know?
And I don't think we get to, weget to, um, I think those just
have to happen.

(31:21):
Like, I don't think we get tojust decide.
Um, how we wanna look and how wewanna present ourselves without
thinking about Yeah.
How the world is going tointeract with us.

Pacey (31:30):
Mm-hmm.
Exactly.
Yeah.
I think things like today, likethe Smei case, it's making
things worse.
Mm-hmm.
And I, I know that this upcominglegislative session is going to
be ruthless.
Yeah.
It's gonna be a fight.
We're all gonna be in for a bigfight and.

(31:51):
I just don't, none of us wantthat.
It's not fair.

Yeah.

Pacey (31:56):
And I think it's important to kind of know that
that's coming.
Uh, be fully aware of it, buttake time to rest mm-hmm.
For it and prioritize yourmental health, your physical
health.
Get the rest that you need.
So that way when we arefighting, we'll be ready.

Right.
Yeah.
So I, I guess kind of in summarya little bit, we wanna make, we
wanna let you guys know.
Again, there's gonna be moreinformation coming out as
information comes out.
A CLU of Idaho is a really greatlocal resource along with
ourselves.
Um, mama Dragons, there'll besome other folks that'll join
again, but if you go to a CLU ofIdaho at least, um, they're

(32:34):
really great.
Like, uh, main resource.
Oh yeah.
Everything kind of builds fromthere.
Um, as if you're wanting toensure that you're getting
accurate information, you'llprobably start hearing.
I know I've seen so many, um,trans influencers talking about.
The case today and everything.
Yeah.
And so there's a really goodchance you might hear something
that might be like, huh, I, Ididn't hear that.

(32:56):
Or is that true?
And I would just encourage youto ch to look into it a little
bit more and maybe not takeeverything at face value.
Yeah.
Um, and make sure that you're,'cause I don't think anyone
needs any ill will.
Mm-hmm.
Um, there's just a lot happeningand we're all doing what we can
to try to like.
Do something.
Mm-hmm.
About what is happening and, andtry to do our part.

(33:16):
And so I think the other aspecttoo is like just encouraging
people to, to connect with yourfamily, connect with your loved
ones.
If you're a trans or non-binaryperson, you might find yourself
upset about this or in some sortof feelings or anger or
whatever.
Um, even if you're not a youngperson.
So.
I would just be mindful of thatand do something for yourself

(33:38):
tonight.
Maybe the next couple of days.
Whatever you need to do.
Um, get around other trans andnon-binary folks.
We have a social support group,uh, tomorrow night as well as
there's the queer festival thisweekend.
You know, go out to queerevents, go out to the places and
really let community hug you andhold you.
And if you are an ally, check inon your trans and non-binary

(33:59):
friends.
Yeah.
Um.
There's a lot of different waysto do that.
There's no right or wrong.
There's no one way.
Mm-hmm.
To show a trans or non-binaryperson support that you love.
So hopefully you know them wellenough to know that they're the
ones that need you to show up attheir house and talk about it,
or other people need to bedistracted from it.

(34:20):
Or sometimes you just need to beacknowledged, you know, or sent
a hug or whatever.
And so I would just encourageyou to really think that and
recognize that.
Um.
The trans and non-binarycommunity took a blow today.
Yeah.
Um, regardless of where we're atand how the actual case is going
to impact our day to day.
Mm-hmm.
And so I think it's justimportant for us all to

(34:41):
recognize that, um, and, and totend to ourselves and to tend to
one another.

Pacey (34:47):
Absolutely.
It's very well said.
Yeah.
It's gonna be, it's a fight.
It's gonna continue to be afight, but we are still
surrounded by so much beauty andlove.
And it's really time to, to leaninto that, you know?
Agreed.
So.

All right.
Sounds like an episode.
Sounds like one.
Alright, thanks everyone.
Take care.
Be well.

Pacey (35:10):
Yeah.
Bye-bye.

All Episodes

🛑 Supreme Court Sides Against Trans Youth: Skrmetti Ruling | Trans Joy Boise 🏳️‍⚧️💔

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

On Purpose with Jay Shetty

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}🛑 Supreme Court Sides Against Trans Youth: Skrmetti Ruling | Trans Joy Boise 🏳️‍⚧️💔