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What does it mean to navigate a world where the controls are yours to develop? Guy Dazin, author, poet, and professor in Israel, offers a fascinating perspective on processing life's chaos through different "thinking hats." Dazin introduces us to psychological frameworks that shape how we approach problems—from the "black hat" of protective negativity to the "yellow hat" of optimism and the "blue hat" of emotional processing. These different thinking modes represent our toolkit for making sense of an often chaotic world. "Ninety percent of the time, if you take things at face value, your life will be a lot smoother," Dazin suggests, "They will not necessarily be easier."
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Josh Porthouse (00:00):
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Welcome to Transacting Value,where we talk about practical
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This is why values still holdvalue.
This is Transacting Value.
Guy Dazin (00:50):
You know, 90% of the time, if you take things at face
value, your life will be a lotsmoother.
They will not necessarily beeasier.
Josh Porthouse (01:06):
Today on Transacting Value.
How do you process the chaos?
How do you know what to do in aworld where the constraints,
where the controls are yours todevelop?
There's so many differentaspects that you can stand on
and rely on, and today we'vebrought in author, poet and
professor at the school atUniversity of Bar-Ilan in Tel
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Aviv District of Israel.
His name is Guy Dawson andwe're going to talk all about it
.
Folks, I'm Josh Porthouse, I'myour host and from SDYT Media,
this is Transacting Value.
Guy, how are you doing?
Guy Dazin (01:43):
All right doing.
Josh.
It's a great honor and pleasurebeing on your podcast,
appearing for the first time onyour podcast, getting to know
you talk with the pre-interview,about some of the values that
we share, some of the stuff thatwe can, you know, transact to
the public or the listeningviewers or, you know, the
(02:07):
audience.
Thank you so much for having me.
Josh Porthouse (02:11):
Absolutely.
And also I understand it'sbasically the middle of the
night for you, so I alsoappreciate your sacrifice and
sleeplessness.
Guy Dazin (02:19):
It's 20 minutes past 11 pm, but that's fine.
20 minutes past 11pm, butthat's fine.
Josh Porthouse (02:26):
It's not that hardcore the middle of the night
well, nonetheless, I doappreciate it, and I want to
clarify something too foreverybody who's listening or
watching I'm.
I think I may havemisrepresented you, so can you
just take a couple minutes?
Who are you, where are you from?
What sort of things are shapingyour perspective on the world?
What do you do?
Represented you.
So can you just take a coupleminutes?
(02:47):
You know who are you, where areyou from, what sort of things
are shaping your perspective onthe world.
Guy Dazin (02:51):
What do you do?
Okay, so where do you want tobegin?
That's the question.
Josh Porthouse (02:54):
Oh well, let's say your current career, and you
know, like I said, what shapedyour perspective.
Yeah, Awesome.
Guy Dazin (03:03):
So let's begin with the career you know, currently
contemporaneous.
I'm a tutor in the preparatoryschool for English at Bar-Ilan
University, the pre-academicstudy.
So if you would like to, youknow, be admitted or accepted
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into a recognized institution ofhigher learning and education,
you pass through someone like me.
So I focus specifically on theEnglish side.
You know I'm an Englishinstructor but I also teach.
You know writing, academicwriting and method.
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You know all that stuff.
Pedagogical method.
I'm also a teacher.
I have two degrees.
I have a BA, a bachelor's inEnglish Literature and
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Linguistics from BarlonUniversity in conjunction with
Art History, and a master'sdegree in Contemporary Jewry,
which is the history ofcontemporaneous Jewry, judaism
and and the art history.
(04:31):
Yeah, also another advanceddegree in art history and
English literature.
Josh Porthouse (04:40):
Okay.
So I'm hearing a lot of themesthat are very similar to
learning and refining how toperceive the world.
I mean, it's all expression,right.
That's the idea, I guess,behind language or art or all of
it.
Guy Dazin (05:16):
Yeah, it's more than self-expression.
I think it's harnessingdifferent principles, different
methods, different grandioseideologies or philosophies of an
ideology motivated or fueled bysome type of manifesto or some
kind of doctrine.
No, I mean something that iskind of universal in its essence
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, at its core.
So, for example, psychology,like behavioral studies,
pedagogy, has a lot of differentangles and bends to it.
It's not formally speaking,it's not a strict kind of method
.
No, there's a lot that goesinto it.
(06:05):
You know I started all the kindof behavioral as psychologists,
all the.
Do you know the story about the?
Or the experiment of the hat?
It's called the Bonds hats.
Bon was a, he was a psychologistand he came up with a method.
(06:26):
He drafted a method and thatgoes something like this there
are different hats that we wearthroughout our lives and they
can represent a lot of differentlevels of thinking.
Okay, so there's a lower typeof thinking which always, you
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know, focuses on the bad, youknow the drudgery, the mundane
and doesn't allow itself, youknow, to break out of its shell
that it constructed for itself.
And there are higher ways ofthinking that break the
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consciousness, or the kind ofindoctrinated procedure that we
all undergo as humans.
It's called an acculturation ina psychological term.
You're human, you know, gothrough the process.
(07:33):
You know the formal educationsystem at least 12 years of kind
of labor, but unpaid labor, ormost of the time, you know, it's
(07:53):
called the indentured servitude, indentured servitude for 12
years and a formal education.
Josh Porthouse (08:03):
Can I ask you this real quick when you're
talking about different ordersof thought, or when you said
different orders of thinking,are you referring to the output
or the input or the processingin that cycle, like in terms of
creativity, and the output orthe interpretation of the inputs
?
What is that based on?
Guy Dazin (08:23):
It's the interpretation of the inputs.
What is that based on?
It's the interpretation of theinputs, as you said, it's the
outlook, it's the stepping point, from which point you choose to
tackle which angle you chooseto tackle a specific problem, a
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specific dilemma, a conundrumthat is not easily solved.
So if you take a route of,let's say, just melancholy and
depression, and you're justdepressed all of the time, all
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of the time, and you cannot getout of that black cauldron that
surrounds you, engulfs you,that's called a black hat.
This is an negative, protective, okay.
And there's a happy, cheerful,joyous, vivacious type of hat,
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the yellow hat, for example.
If you choose to tackleproblems with expressing your
emotions, so that's called ablue hat.
For example, you choose tofocus on your emotional you know
expression, as opposed to justbeing depressed or just being,
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you know, happy, or without anykind of consequences, or being
happy just for the sake of, youknow, your mental well-being in
that present moment.
It's not enough, though.
There are different types ofexpression.
(10:11):
So we can go, we can present alot of the aphorisms and
statements and we can presentthem in a way that will
influence, you know, the personwho tackles those dilemmas, and
we can see which?
(10:32):
What type of hat or which hatwill he choose to, you know, to
wear or don on his cap in orderto, you know, solve the problem
or to wiggle his way out of astressful situation?
Yeah, something like that.
(10:53):
Okay, just to give one example,there's another great book by
the great Zygmunt Voigt.
It's called Culture,civilization and its discontents
, which talks about.
It's a sort of a kind of aJungian collective unconscious,
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coupled with a lot of psychology, social behavior, behavioral
psychology.
Josh Porthouse (11:25):
So you mentioned civilization and its
discontents, and then you alsomentioned the different hats,
the blue, the yellow, the black,the way people process
information, right and so from anegative perspective, a
positive perspective oremotionally, let's just say,
creatively interpreting,whatever those things are.
(11:46):
But then, when you're talkingabout discontents, I'm assuming
what that means is based on acertain degree of discernment or
inquiry that somebody has orpossesses as they mature and
grow up, that it'scounterproductive or
counterintuitive to itsrespective society.
Is that what you're getting at?
Guy Dazin (12:06):
It's a roundabout way of saying you know the people
who are disenfranchised in someway.
Josh Porthouse (12:15):
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Guy Dazin (12:50):
It's a roundabout way of saying.
You know the people who aredisenfranchised in some way.
It doesn't have to beeconomically or class or status
or you know all that stuff.
It pertains more to a kind of aleaselessness.
(13:13):
You know leaselessness that alarge part of the populace you
know possess about society as awhole and civilization.
You know the fundamentalcivilization.
They are based on a lot ofdifferent components and they
can be historical, societal andpsychological, religious,
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economic.
Josh Porthouse (13:42):
Are these things that you picked up like?
A lot of the things you'redescribing are conversations I
would have with my buddies,right?
Most of my professional careerwas in the Marine Corps infantry
in the States, and so you knowyou go on long enough walks and
stay up late enough at night.
Eventually, these conversationsjust take shape.
Is this where you picked up alot of these, or you picked this
up academically, or or you pickthis up academically, or
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Hamlet's kind of dialectics.
Guy Dazin (14:06):
You know, always wondering, always pondering,
always questioning everything ina sort of not a radical kind of
perspective, because a radicalperspective will try to break
away from, you know, from thenorm.
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And the norm states that youare a person who was born in a
country, you are native to thatcountry, you have a language, a
tongue that you speak in.
A language, a tongue that youspeak in, you wear certain types
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of clothing, whether they beOccidental, what we call the
West, and Oriental, what we callthe East.
It can be.
You have certain types of thetraditions in your country, you
have certain types of religiousgatherings or whatever.
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You are going to be born, getmarried and die in the same
place that you were born.
You're going to stay in thesame place that you were born.
You're going to stay in thesame kind of niche that you
built or carved out for yourself.
(15:34):
Most people don't break awayfrom that mindset.
This type of indoctrination canbe very positive, because the
human is a primate, but thehuman is also, you know, a human
, a homo sapien, a rational,conscious being that is able to
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make independent decisions asyou.
I'm going to borrow a term fromyou, he is a sovereign, you
know he's a sovereign and he,you know, gets to dictate his
own fortune and destiny, shapehis own destiny.
(16:22):
And Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzschetalked about the person being
the author of his own storybeing incomplete and other
stoical, methodical, clinical,even control of every aspect of
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his existence.
And most people won't get tohave that kind of experience.
(17:13):
And you need to break at facevalue most of the time.
Take everything and face valuemost of the time.
You know, 90% of the time, ifyou take things face value, your
life will be a lot smoother.
(17:34):
There will not necessarily beeasier.
I'm glad you said that.
Yeah, Yep, yeah.
Josh Porthouse (17:44):
The complexity, I'm sorry to cut you off.
The complexity, I think, theoverlapping intricacy of
whatever inputs happen in life.
You know you oversleep pastyour alarm in the morning,
you're running late for work,you burn your breakfast, your
shirt has a hole in it and youput your pants on, you forget
your socks, whatever, and that'sall within 30 minutes when you
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start your day.
You know the complexity I thinkthat we've got in our lives as
time just ticks and happens.
Guy Dazin (18:14):
Yeah, if you don't, if you're not nitpicking, you
know about every detail thatsurrounds your life, everyday
bonding, routine, uh, and alsoeven you know special occasions
or uh, different uh incidentsthat can be not as pleasant.
(18:36):
You know, oftentimes, um, ifyou are, you know, that kind of
stoical, that kind of umaesthetic uh being, you know
that kind of stoical, that kindof um aesthetic uh being, you
know your life will be a lotsmoother, not necessarily easier
(18:56):
.
You know this kind of mantra,you know that life is just, you
know it's a thread that startsfrom one point, ends at another,
you know, without anyinterruption or disruptions, or,
you know, peaks throughout thatthread, you know.
So it is a contiguous thread.
(19:20):
A lot of people live their livesin this fashion.
They are, you know,deterministic, they are driven,
they are focused on one kind oftask, one purpose that they want
to achieve, one goal that theywould like to, you know, to
(19:41):
attain in their lives, you know,in order to be able to
psychologically say tothemselves well, I have
something.
You know, my life had some kindof meaning, some kind of
purpose.
You know.
Josh Porthouse (19:56):
But that's important too, Of course.
But so then I mean, does thatmake it a good or a bad thing?
Or what's the impact of thatdegree of awareness and
criticality?
Guy Dazin (20:10):
It puts you in my position when you are constantly
, when you are a lifelong kindof skeptic, as I am.
I consider myself not a liberalbut a libertarian mostly, but I
(20:31):
also consider myself a freethinker.
I gravitated towards religionand mysticism and esotericism
and the occult from a lot of thedifferent reasons, because I
(20:52):
think that keeping something insecret, you know, can have its
own merit, you know and benefit,because it's not suitable for
the larger populace.
You know there are differentconcessions you need to make
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along the way, the way forenlightenment, to be that kind
of stoical ascetic being to becompletely and fully enlightened
in your life, your personallife and your inner world, you
know so be working tandem.
(21:36):
You know there is no breakingbetween you know your value
systems and the way you lead andchoose, uh, to make your
decisions, uh, throughout yourlife.
How do you mean?
I mean there can never be, youknow, a hundred percent parity
(21:57):
between your value system, yourinner workings, your personal
life, your family life, yourinner workings, your personal
life, your family life, yoursocial life, your professional
life and what is actuallyhappening in terms of your
(22:17):
actions.
Yep, you can try to achieveparity in that, but it's almost
pathological in my opinion.
It's pathological to try to dothat, because you can never be
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completely selfless.
The psychological makeup of anindividual is very complicated
from a lot of differentperspectives.
We are constantly in a stridefor domination value system what
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types of values and beliefs andcredo we choose to follow in
our own inner workings, ourpersonal life psychologically,
and the actions and thedecisions that we choose to make
in the real world.
Am I making myself a bit moreclearer?
Josh Porthouse (23:32):
well, that's sort of what I was getting at
earlier that complexity being sointerwoven and natural, it's
just innate, it happens.
But so then, because of itbeing so layered and the, I
guess, inherent fluidity of thatprocess, you can't, I think,
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actually try to control it 100%to either favor you or only
favor other people.
Like you said, there has to besome inherent sacrifice in the
process, where it may not alwaysmatch up to what you want or
how you think the world shouldbe.
Here's a perfect point.
You live in Israel, at leastright now, right Like you're
there physically.
(24:14):
The country is at war.
That doesn't necessarily meanyou are, you're a teacher.
Guy Dazin (24:22):
However, your life, your lifestyle, the media you
hear, whatever there's going tobe an influence, no matter how
much you may want to stayabsolved or get involved, yes, I
am at least aware of thesebiases that would be able to
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actually execute perfectly, tomeasure and to time
chronologically every step theywill take along the way.
This is a very rare occasionand that's why I call it ascetic
type, the stoical, you know,very analytical, very logical,
(25:11):
very aware, very self-conscious.
The value systems of thatperson do not rely on the
external world.
Josh Porthouse (25:25):
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Guy Dazin (26:17):
The value systems of that person do not rely on the
external world.
Sure, internally driven, itdoesn't matter what happens on
the external world.
Internally driven, it doesn'tmatter what happens on the
outside, in the physical world.
Actually, the value systemrelies solely, you know, on the
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individual and the veryintricate and specific types of
actions that they take.
Josh Porthouse (26:50):
Yeah, okay, but for that to be In a perfect
world.
Guy Dazin (26:55):
Of course we need to make all these concessions.
You know, logical concessions,yeah.
Josh Porthouse (27:02):
And so for all of the viewpoints that you've
gained, this is something that I.
Let's do this.
This is a good time for asegment of the show called
Developing Character D D D,developing Character, and so for
anybody who's new Guypotentially you included, if
you're unfamiliar.
(27:22):
It's two questions and it's asvulnerable as you want to be,
but here's the reason for thesegment.
Real quick to set the tone, Ihave a working theory that every
single person around the worldstands on their value system to
make decisions, perceive theworld, ground themselves and
help to harness some of thecosmic chaos that drives the
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world.
Yeah, and so that has to comefrom somewhere.
Either it's nurtured or it'snatural, and so I sort of like
to start and phrase the twoquestions from those regards.
So my first question is basedon you growing up from what you
remember.
What would you say were some ofthe values that you were raised
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on or brought up around orexposed to when you were growing
up?
well, that's a great question,but that's just one question oh
well, I was going to ask insequence, but my second question
is then.
But whatever that answer iswhat are some of your values now
and how has it changed?
Guy Dazin (28:23):
I was taught to be a very studious individual learner
.
I was taught to respect myelders and to hear their advice.
I was brought up to be a goodcitizen, to practice my right as
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a civilian and as an individualto vote, for example.
I was always very logical, verymethodical in each step that I
took, but I was always veryspiritual in my nature.
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I would used to go to there wasa kind of a vacant lot in the
middle of nowhere and around myneighborhood and there was a
tree, I think it was an olivetree or an oak tree, and what
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was fascinating about that tree?
That its roots they were veryfirm, very wide, very strong.
Its roots spread out or sprangout of a rock for some reason,
like it split, you know, in themiddle, and it was kind of
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fascinating, magical even.
I would use to, you know, kindof meditate under that tree For
hours on end.
I would look, I would gaze atthe sky and I was very
fascinated, fascinated with thestars and the skies and all the
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different constellations, andthe left heel body was very
fascinated with that.
You know, it's almost likemagic.
You know when, how the seasonschange, how the how the stars
appear, even now that I know allof all of the science, all the
(30:44):
physics, all of the astronomyassociated behind you know the
natural phenomenon, I'm stillvery fascinated, very, you know,
in awe whenever I see, you know, the stars, whenever I see the
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moon appearing, you know, intandem with the sun.
I see the sun in one part ofthe sky and in the other part I
see the moon and it'sfascinating to no end.
To no end.
(31:27):
And later on, when I was therein university and I took a
course on Buddhism and Hinduismand I learned that the Buddha
meditated under a tree, theBodhi tree, for 60 years.
For 60 years he never left thatplace.
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He was living the ascetic.
You know spiritual, all themantras, all his teaching he
passed on to people who are justwilling to learn, to drink from
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the well of knowledge that hewas.
And I'm not a Buddhist but, asI mentioned, I'm a free thinker
and I just I try to parse thegood from the bad from every.
You know every discipline,every school of thoughts, every
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ideology, every book, everymusic.
You know every song.
Josh Porthouse (32:44):
Does it help you now, having started to form
your own opinions, you knowbuild your own discernment and
perspective based on all theseinputs, or does it just cause
you to have more questions andless clarity?
Guy Dazin (32:57):
well, that's a good question.
Um, it works.
Uh, both ways.
You know, it's just thespectrum.
You know it's a spectrum.
You know it's a spectrum okayyeah, sometimes they choose to
be very analytical, verystraightforward, very stoical.
Very method works, you know,applies to a lot of situations
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and on the other hand, there area lot of situations that
require a lot of awareness, youknow, and that emotional side
needs to be triggered and thelevels of the, you know,
dopamine and stuff like thatthat need to be inserted into
(34:02):
every situation.
So you need to to measure thecorrect amounts that you need to
invest in order to besuccessful in that situation.
But I feel that that kind ofthat kind of spectrum, you know
the going back, back and forth,it's not necessarily kind of the
(34:23):
schizophrenia, necessarily kindof the schizophrenia, and no,
no, it's just, you know, theactivation of one part, one
hemisphere of the brain asopposed to the other.
So sometimes you invest more inthe kind of right side of the
(34:44):
hemisphere.
When you write a love letter oryou write a great poem, or when
you see someone in need, youknow a disenfranchised kind of
individual you would like tocontribute to society, to give
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back, to be a good person to.
You know, get those dopaminekind of level raised from being
an altruistic type of individual, very philanthropic, for
example.
Just giving back to society, um, just giving back to society.
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And the other times when, whenit comes down to problem solving
you know, when there's asituation that needs to have a
very strict method, you know, toit there's a chronic,
chronological kind of logic thatneeds to be had, you know.
And organizational skills, youknow.
They come very handy from theleft side of the brain.
(35:56):
So it's a spectrum, as Imentioned.
It's not one way or the other.
Josh Porthouse (36:06):
Well, that's, that's the harmony I guess we
all hope to develop, right beingable to consciously make that
shift to balance the very fun.
Guy Dazin (36:17):
The very fun, the very slight dichotomy that you
know, the play between thedifferent hemispheres, it can be
very jarring, very rattlingtype of experience.
Josh Porthouse (36:32):
You have paintings and poems and like
you've written so, and you'reobviously a very deliberately
thought out communicator.
So I assume behind your glasses, glasses under your hairline,
it's equally as deliberatewhenever you're focusing your
thoughts.
See, there it is, I saw it.
And so to have that kind ofcreativity and expression to
(36:57):
process and then also to be ableto process deliberately in a
sequence or in a pattern thatyou're better able and prefer to
manage and think through,that's got to be kind of
draining too, because there's aconflict of energy source there,
right?
Guy Dazin (37:10):
No, because I'll tell you there's a conflict of
energy, of course.
Of course it's verydiscombobulating, very
disorienting.
Josh Porthouse (37:21):
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Guy Dazin (37:39):
No, because I'll tell you there's a conflict of
energy, of course.
Of course it's verydiscombobulating, very, very
disorient to have, you know,both these functions, uh, in
place, you know, but that's justhow the brain works.
Um, there are people who have,you know, been clinically
(38:02):
diagnosed as suffering fromdifferent, not disabilities, but
just hindrances.
Hindrances, I would say I don'tlike you know, differently
abled and these types ofterminology.
(38:23):
I'm not connected In any shape,form or form.
I don't appreciate that kind ofphrasing that has no meaning
behind it.
It's placation.
(38:45):
Yeah, you want to placate thewrong.
You know you're preaching tothe wrong choir almost all of
the time it's a hindrance.
I was never diagnosed with anykind of, I don't know,
(39:06):
disruption of banking or stufflike that, but I always had a
problem distinguishing asituation.
I always suffered from notbeing able to, you know,
categorize a situation in theright cabinet folder and I
(39:33):
always miss it.
I'll give you an example,please.
It's, you know, related torelationships and you know
romantic relationships, so youwould appreciate it.
In university I took a coursein the English department.
(39:56):
I can't remember exactly whichcourse or what the subject of
the course was, but there was agirl and she always seemed kind
of a bluster, you know, wheneverI was around a class and you
know she never approached, shewould never, you know, look me
(40:18):
directly in the eyes as as youdid, you know so aptly and and
uh one time we finished, youknow, the, the class and uh, I
know I don't know how, but westarted talking, you know, on
the way to the parking lot and,um, she offered to give me a
(40:42):
ride and, uh, and I hopped onboard.
You know, she had this kind of,uh, a big, a big, you know uh,
transport vehicle.
I think she was, uh, running aclothing store or something like
that, uh, managing yourclothing store.
(41:03):
Maybe that's just an educatedguess, but throughout the ride,
where we talked about this andthat, she let me smoke Sorry for
the French so I smoked in thecar, I opened up the window,
(41:24):
rolled up the window, and shetook me home All the car.
I opened up the window, rolledup the window, and she took me
home All the way to my home.
I don't know where she livesshe lives probably not too far
away by now but she drove mehome and she said well, could
(41:46):
you give me your number?
I don't want to make anymistakes on the way back, I
don't want to lose track.
And she gave me her number andI gave her mine, and we met once
, maybe twice after that.
(42:07):
We met once, maybe twice afterthat, and foolishly, foolishly,
I waited like three years tosend her a message.
And I was that dim, you know?
Josh Porthouse (42:26):
Yeah, just to give one example the one that
ran away.
Yeah, it's interesting thatbalance right the being able to
think and process, and then thedegree of awareness that comes
with the application of thatknowledge is like the other half
of the equation if you hand themaster, you know your servant.
Guy Dazin (42:54):
You hand the master everything on a silver platter.
You know, anyone that was lessmorally inclined than I am would
have jumped the opportunity youknow to maybe form a
relationship you know withanother person, which is a
(43:17):
beautiful thing.
Josh Porthouse (43:20):
That's all part of the growing process.
You know, you make mistakes,you learn, you move on.
Maybe you make them again,maybe you don't, but that's the
experience, you know that.
That, I think, is why the humancondition is called the human
condition, because it takesrepetition and conditioning to
fully understand and appreciatewhat you have when either you
(43:41):
don't have it or still do.
And so that's, that's one ofthe I don't know beautiful
mysteries of the experience, Isuppose.
But, guy, for the sake of time,I really do appreciate this
opportunity.
Man, I only have one otherquestion for you and I know you
have actually to go anyway,since it's late but of all of
these experiences and ofeverything that you've talked
(44:02):
about so far, what has it donefor you I mean, you talked about
internal control for yourself-awareness, self-worth.
What has this insight, thisknowledge, the application to
some of these stories, what hasit done for your self-awareness
and self-worth?
Guy Dazin (44:20):
It's like trying to communicate, you know,
underwater, you're trying toexpress the word, you're trying
to form the word, you're tryingto other the words, but they
don't come out as expected.
Once you learn, you know how tobreathe underwater, you know
(44:48):
you can express these words, youcan shape them into the right
consonants, the rightpronunciation of each and every
vowel.
I sort of analogizeacculturation with being able to
(45:14):
speak underwater are when youtraverse these hazardous waters.
(45:34):
The hazardous waters, of course.
It's a classical metaphor forlife yeah, sort of a fish
outside of water.
So I was feeling a lot of that,you know, for a long time.
But once I discovered learning,education, I discovered there's
(45:57):
a process, I discovered thatthere's a method, a scientific
method.
I discovered there are a lot ofbasic philosophical,
psychological, behavioralprinciples that are universal,
unwavering, unchanging.
(46:17):
I understood there's a method tothe madness the chaos.
You know the chaos is aprimordial type of force.
The chaos is a primordial typeof force.
This is interwoven, interwoven,okay, to the human experience.
You know the disambiguation,you know of human, what it means
(46:47):
to be a human.
It's an essential, it's aquintessential element of the
human experience.
We are born out of that chaosand I'll give you an analogy of
an impressionistic painting.
Okay, if you take any type ofimpressionistic painting, for
(47:11):
example Van Gogh, or anotherexample if you ever heard about
Henri de Luz-Lautrec, forexample, or Renoir.
Josh Porthouse (47:29):
The water lilies I think he painted Right, is
that him?
Guy Dazin (47:34):
It was Monet Monet.
Same idea.
Yes, very respected, veryrenowned painter artist, let's
take Monet.
Probably it's a better.
Monet painted the Seine inFrance.
(48:00):
Yeah, the river, yeah, and hepainted it.
He replicated the painting, thesame perspective, the same
configuration, the samecomposition, but each time he
(48:22):
replicated it it depicts adifferent time of the day.
Sure, it depicts a differenttime of the day.
This is the human experience.
Impressionism started, you know, after photography.
After photography wasintroduced firstly with the
(48:47):
Lumiere brothers in France,their atelier in France,
painting was regarded as nolonger a respected type of
(49:10):
expression.
It wasn't a respected type ofmedium and Impressionism was
born out of necessity, thenecessity to keep the ember of
creation and creativity alive.
For artists, impressionisticpainting takes a photograph, the
(49:36):
medium of the photograph, andflips it on its head.
Photographs were very, you know, they were fabricated.
They were not natural at first.
Each photograph took hours ofpreparation, the composition,
(49:59):
the lighting, all that stuff.
Technically it took a lot ofinvestment and impressionism
takes the opposing view.
Impressionism takes, you know,takes a snippet of like.
(50:21):
You know it doesn't look at thewhole picture.
You know, like a photograph, aphotograph has a very methodical
you knowical, composition.
It has a beginning, a middleand an end.
An impressionistic paintingcuts off a certain portion of
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the scene.
It leaves something to theimagination.
It's like a camera tilted, youknow it leaves something to the
imagination.
It's like, it's like a camera,you know, tilted very fast, and
you capture that.
You know the moment, the, theswivel, and that's what that's.
(51:05):
That, that's what impressionismis, you know.
To capture the moment, you know.
Seize the day.
You know Carpe Diem, all thepostmodern kind of ideals.
You have to live the day.
You have to live your life tothe fullest.
You have to be able to expressyourself as a free thinker, a
free individual, a citizen ofthe world and not of one nation.
(51:30):
You know a cosmopolitan, youknow, who is well-versed at
least a few languages.
He is a citizen of the world,of the earth.
This is what impressionism, youknow, brought to the world.
It brought the expression, youknow, the clear, natural
(51:55):
expression of the humanexperience.
The human experience is just,you know, a snapshot, and this
is your entire life, just thesnapshot.
Josh Porthouse (52:09):
The whole, you know, cosmos, yeah, the entire
story well, that's the, that'sthe impression we make, I
suppose.
But, guy, I love yourperspective.
Man, yeah, the imprint this hasbeen a fun conversation, deep,
(52:30):
but I enjoyed it.
It's, you know, it's.
It's.
It's conversations like this, Ithink you know, the ones that
enhance the depth of ourexperiences, when we're talking
to people where it's not justbreadth, it's not just reach and
topical variation, like yousaid, occasionally you just lean
in a little bit and you focuson specificity, but through a
(52:53):
different lens.
I really appreciate it, man.
Um and again, thank you foryour time, thank you, thank you
for your input and thank you foryour experiences, because I've
never met anybody like you andin any literal sense or
uniqueness about it.
I don't know that I will.
You know what I mean.
Your ability to communicateyour experiences like you have,
(53:15):
I think, really makes it, uh,that much deeper of a
conversation, so I really doappreciate it, thank you.
Guy Dazin (53:22):
Thank you so much, josh.
It's been, you know, a pleasurefrom beginning throughout the
end, and hopefully we'lltransact more values to the
future and the present, becausewe need an injection of right
now in the world.
It's something that's lacking.
(53:44):
We need to break the chains ofthe indoctrination.
Acculturation that does notcomply, does not work in just
throwing what sticks.
You know, uh, this kind ofmethod, when, once it, uh, it
(54:16):
works in tandem with the, thefeelings, the expression, the
emotions, um, your situation,you know your everyday situation
, uh, your, your class, yourplace, the place you are in life
(54:38):
, what you're experiencing, thetype of career that you chose to
pursue, what kind of educationyou would like to learn, what
subjects, what interests you.
It really can impact quite abit.
This is the healthy type ofapproach of chaos.
(55:03):
You know, complete chaos it'sthe blue hat.
Josh Porthouse (55:10):
It's the blue hat.
It's the blue hat.
Yeah, absolutely, that's it toeverybody else.
Guy, again, thank you for yourtime.
Thank everybody for listeningand tuning into our conversation
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This is why values still holdvalue.
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Guy Dazin (00:50):
You know, 90% of the time, if you take things at face
value, your life will be a lotsmoother.
They will not necessarily beeasier.
Josh Porthouse (01:06):
Today on Transacting Value.
How do you process the chaos?
How do you know what to do in aworld where the constraints,
where the controls are yours todevelop?
There's so many differentaspects that you can stand on
and rely on, and today we'vebrought in author, poet and
professor at the school atUniversity of Bar-Ilan in Tel
(01:29):
Aviv District of Israel.
His name is Guy Dawson andwe're going to talk all about it
.
Folks, I'm Josh Porthouse, I'myour host and from SDYT Media,
this is Transacting Value.
Guy, how are you doing?
Guy Dazin (01:43):
All right doing.
Josh.
It's a great honor and pleasurebeing on your podcast,
appearing for the first time onyour podcast, getting to know
you talk with the pre-interview,about some of the values that
we share, some of the stuff thatwe can, you know, transact to
the public or the listeningviewers or, you know, the
(02:07):
audience.
Thank you so much for having me.
Josh Porthouse (02:11):
Absolutely.
And also I understand it'sbasically the middle of the
night for you, so I alsoappreciate your sacrifice and
sleeplessness.
Guy Dazin (02:19):
It's 20 minutes past 11 pm, but that's fine.
20 minutes past 11pm, butthat's fine.
Josh Porthouse (02:26):
It's not that hardcore the middle of the night
well, nonetheless, I doappreciate it, and I want to
clarify something too foreverybody who's listening or
watching I'm.
I think I may havemisrepresented you, so can you
just take a couple minutes?
Who are you, where are you from?
What sort of things are shapingyour perspective on the world?
What do you do?
Represented you.
So can you just take a coupleminutes?
(02:47):
You know who are you, where areyou from, what sort of things
are shaping your perspective onthe world.
Guy Dazin (02:51):
What do you do?
Okay, so where do you want tobegin?
That's the question.
Josh Porthouse (02:54):
Oh well, let's say your current career, and you
know, like I said, what shapedyour perspective.
Yeah, Awesome.
Guy Dazin (03:03):
So let's begin with the career you know, currently
contemporaneous.
I'm a tutor in the preparatoryschool for English at Bar-Ilan
University, the pre-academicstudy.
So if you would like to, youknow, be admitted or accepted
(03:23):
into a recognized institution ofhigher learning and education,
you pass through someone like me.
So I focus specifically on theEnglish side.
You know I'm an Englishinstructor but I also teach.
You know writing, academicwriting and method.
(03:45):
You know all that stuff.
Pedagogical method.
I'm also a teacher.
I have two degrees.
I have a BA, a bachelor's inEnglish Literature and
(04:10):
Linguistics from BarlonUniversity in conjunction with
Art History, and a master'sdegree in Contemporary Jewry,
which is the history ofcontemporaneous Jewry, judaism
and and the art history.
(04:31):
Yeah, also another advanceddegree in art history and
English literature.
Josh Porthouse (04:40):
Okay.
So I'm hearing a lot of themesthat are very similar to
learning and refining how toperceive the world.
I mean, it's all expression,right.
That's the idea, I guess,behind language or art or all of
it.
Guy Dazin (05:16):
Yeah, it's more than self-expression.
I think it's harnessingdifferent principles, different
methods, different grandioseideologies or philosophies of an
ideology motivated or fueled bysome type of manifesto or some
kind of doctrine.
No, I mean something that iskind of universal in its essence
(05:41):
, at its core.
So, for example, psychology,like behavioral studies,
pedagogy, has a lot of differentangles and bends to it.
It's not formally speaking,it's not a strict kind of method
.
No, there's a lot that goesinto it.
(06:05):
You know I started all the kindof behavioral as psychologists,
all the.
Do you know the story about the?
Or the experiment of the hat?
It's called the Bonds hats.
Bon was a, he was a psychologistand he came up with a method.
(06:26):
He drafted a method and thatgoes something like this there
are different hats that we wearthroughout our lives and they
can represent a lot of differentlevels of thinking.
Okay, so there's a lower typeof thinking which always, you
(06:50):
know, focuses on the bad, youknow the drudgery, the mundane
and doesn't allow itself, youknow, to break out of its shell
that it constructed for itself.
And there are higher ways ofthinking that break the
(07:12):
consciousness, or the kind ofindoctrinated procedure that we
all undergo as humans.
It's called an acculturation ina psychological term.
You're human, you know, gothrough the process.
(07:33):
You know the formal educationsystem at least 12 years of kind
of labor, but unpaid labor, ormost of the time, you know, it's
(07:53):
called the indentured servitude, indentured servitude for 12
years and a formal education.
Josh Porthouse (08:03):
Can I ask you this real quick when you're
talking about different ordersof thought, or when you said
different orders of thinking,are you referring to the output
or the input or the processingin that cycle, like in terms of
creativity, and the output orthe interpretation of the inputs
?
What is that based on?
Guy Dazin (08:23):
It's the interpretation of the inputs.
What is that based on?
It's the interpretation of theinputs, as you said, it's the
outlook, it's the stepping point, from which point you choose to
tackle which angle you chooseto tackle a specific problem, a
(08:43):
specific dilemma, a conundrumthat is not easily solved.
So if you take a route of,let's say, just melancholy and
depression, and you're justdepressed all of the time, all
(09:04):
of the time, and you cannot getout of that black cauldron that
surrounds you, engulfs you,that's called a black hat.
This is an negative, protective, okay.
And there's a happy, cheerful,joyous, vivacious type of hat,
(09:27):
the yellow hat, for example.
If you choose to tackleproblems with expressing your
emotions, so that's called ablue hat.
For example, you choose tofocus on your emotional you know
expression, as opposed to justbeing depressed or just being,
(09:50):
you know, happy, or without anykind of consequences, or being
happy just for the sake of, youknow, your mental well-being in
that present moment.
It's not enough, though.
There are different types ofexpression.
(10:11):
So we can go, we can present alot of the aphorisms and
statements and we can presentthem in a way that will
influence, you know, the personwho tackles those dilemmas, and
we can see which?
(10:32):
What type of hat or which hatwill he choose to, you know, to
wear or don on his cap in orderto, you know, solve the problem
or to wiggle his way out of astressful situation?
Yeah, something like that.
(10:53):
Okay, just to give one example,there's another great book by
the great Zygmunt Voigt.
It's called Culture,civilization and its discontents
, which talks about.
It's a sort of a kind of aJungian collective unconscious,
(11:15):
coupled with a lot of psychology, social behavior, behavioral
psychology.
Josh Porthouse (11:25):
So you mentioned civilization and its
discontents, and then you alsomentioned the different hats,
the blue, the yellow, the black,the way people process
information, right and so from anegative perspective, a
positive perspective oremotionally, let's just say,
creatively interpreting,whatever those things are.
(11:46):
But then, when you're talkingabout discontents, I'm assuming
what that means is based on acertain degree of discernment or
inquiry that somebody has orpossesses as they mature and
grow up, that it'scounterproductive or
counterintuitive to itsrespective society.
Is that what you're getting at?
Guy Dazin (12:06):
It's a roundabout way of saying you know the people
who are disenfranchised in someway.
Josh Porthouse (12:15):
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Guy Dazin (12:50):
It's a roundabout way of saying.
You know the people who aredisenfranchised in some way.
It doesn't have to beeconomically or class or status
or you know all that stuff.
It pertains more to a kind of aleaselessness.
(13:13):
You know leaselessness that alarge part of the populace you
know possess about society as awhole and civilization.
You know the fundamentalcivilization.
They are based on a lot ofdifferent components and they
can be historical, societal andpsychological, religious,
(13:39):
economic.
Josh Porthouse (13:42):
Are these things that you picked up like?
A lot of the things you'redescribing are conversations I
would have with my buddies,right?
Most of my professional careerwas in the Marine Corps infantry
in the States, and so you knowyou go on long enough walks and
stay up late enough at night.
Eventually, these conversationsjust take shape.
Is this where you picked up alot of these, or you picked this
up academically, or or you pickthis up academically, or
(14:05):
Hamlet's kind of dialectics.
Guy Dazin (14:06):
You know, always wondering, always pondering,
always questioning everything ina sort of not a radical kind of
perspective, because a radicalperspective will try to break
away from, you know, from thenorm.
(14:28):
And the norm states that youare a person who was born in a
country, you are native to thatcountry, you have a language, a
tongue that you speak in.
A language, a tongue that youspeak in, you wear certain types
(14:49):
of clothing, whether they beOccidental, what we call the
West, and Oriental, what we callthe East.
It can be.
You have certain types of thetraditions in your country, you
have certain types of religiousgatherings or whatever.
(15:12):
You are going to be born, getmarried and die in the same
place that you were born.
You're going to stay in thesame place that you were born.
You're going to stay in thesame kind of niche that you
built or carved out for yourself.
(15:34):
Most people don't break awayfrom that mindset.
This type of indoctrination canbe very positive, because the
human is a primate, but thehuman is also, you know, a human
, a homo sapien, a rational,conscious being that is able to
(16:01):
make independent decisions asyou.
I'm going to borrow a term fromyou, he is a sovereign, you
know he's a sovereign and he,you know, gets to dictate his
own fortune and destiny, shapehis own destiny.
(16:22):
And Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzschetalked about the person being
the author of his own storybeing incomplete and other
stoical, methodical, clinical,even control of every aspect of
(16:45):
his existence.
And most people won't get tohave that kind of experience.
(17:13):
And you need to break at facevalue most of the time.
Take everything and face valuemost of the time.
You know, 90% of the time, ifyou take things face value, your
life will be a lot smoother.
(17:34):
There will not necessarily beeasier.
I'm glad you said that.
Yeah, Yep, yeah.
Josh Porthouse (17:44):
The complexity, I'm sorry to cut you off.
The complexity, I think, theoverlapping intricacy of
whatever inputs happen in life.
You know you oversleep pastyour alarm in the morning,
you're running late for work,you burn your breakfast, your
shirt has a hole in it and youput your pants on, you forget
your socks, whatever, and that'sall within 30 minutes when you
(18:06):
start your day.
You know the complexity I thinkthat we've got in our lives as
time just ticks and happens.
Guy Dazin (18:14):
Yeah, if you don't, if you're not nitpicking, you
know about every detail thatsurrounds your life, everyday
bonding, routine, uh, and alsoeven you know special occasions
or uh, different uh incidentsthat can be not as pleasant.
(18:36):
You know, oftentimes, um, ifyou are, you know, that kind of
stoical, that kind of umaesthetic uh being, you know
that kind of stoical, that kindof um aesthetic uh being, you
know your life will be a lotsmoother, not necessarily easier
(18:56):
.
You know this kind of mantra,you know that life is just, you
know it's a thread that startsfrom one point, ends at another,
you know, without anyinterruption or disruptions, or,
you know, peaks throughout thatthread, you know.
So it is a contiguous thread.
(19:20):
A lot of people live their livesin this fashion.
They are, you know,deterministic, they are driven,
they are focused on one kind oftask, one purpose that they want
to achieve, one goal that theywould like to, you know, to
(19:41):
attain in their lives, you know,in order to be able to
psychologically say tothemselves well, I have
something.
You know, my life had some kindof meaning, some kind of
purpose.
You know.
Josh Porthouse (19:56):
But that's important too, Of course.
But so then I mean, does thatmake it a good or a bad thing?
Or what's the impact of thatdegree of awareness and
criticality?
Guy Dazin (20:10):
It puts you in my position when you are constantly
, when you are a lifelong kindof skeptic, as I am.
I consider myself not a liberalbut a libertarian mostly, but I
(20:31):
also consider myself a freethinker.
I gravitated towards religionand mysticism and esotericism
and the occult from a lot of thedifferent reasons, because I
(20:52):
think that keeping something insecret, you know, can have its
own merit, you know and benefit,because it's not suitable for
the larger populace.
You know there are differentconcessions you need to make
(21:13):
along the way, the way forenlightenment, to be that kind
of stoical ascetic being to becompletely and fully enlightened
in your life, your personallife and your inner world, you
know so be working tandem.
(21:36):
You know there is no breakingbetween you know your value
systems and the way you lead andchoose, uh, to make your
decisions, uh, throughout yourlife.
How do you mean?
I mean there can never be, youknow, a hundred percent parity
(21:57):
between your value system, yourinner workings, your personal
life, your family life, yourinner workings, your personal
life, your family life, yoursocial life, your professional
life and what is actuallyhappening in terms of your
(22:17):
actions.
Yep, you can try to achieveparity in that, but it's almost
pathological in my opinion.
It's pathological to try to dothat, because you can never be
(22:40):
completely selfless.
The psychological makeup of anindividual is very complicated
from a lot of differentperspectives.
We are constantly in a stridefor domination value system what
(23:14):
types of values and beliefs andcredo we choose to follow in
our own inner workings, ourpersonal life psychologically,
and the actions and thedecisions that we choose to make
in the real world.
Am I making myself a bit moreclearer?
Josh Porthouse (23:32):
well, that's sort of what I was getting at
earlier that complexity being sointerwoven and natural, it's
just innate, it happens.
But so then, because of itbeing so layered and the, I
guess, inherent fluidity of thatprocess, you can't, I think,
(23:53):
actually try to control it 100%to either favor you or only
favor other people.
Like you said, there has to besome inherent sacrifice in the
process, where it may not alwaysmatch up to what you want or
how you think the world shouldbe.
Here's a perfect point.
You live in Israel, at leastright now, right Like you're
there physically.
(24:14):
The country is at war.
That doesn't necessarily meanyou are, you're a teacher.
Guy Dazin (24:22):
However, your life, your lifestyle, the media you
hear, whatever there's going tobe an influence, no matter how
much you may want to stayabsolved or get involved, yes, I
am at least aware of thesebiases that would be able to
(24:44):
actually execute perfectly, tomeasure and to time
chronologically every step theywill take along the way.
This is a very rare occasionand that's why I call it ascetic
type, the stoical, you know,very analytical, very logical,
(25:11):
very aware, very self-conscious.
The value systems of thatperson do not rely on the
external world.
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Guy Dazin (26:17):
The value systems of that person do not rely on the
external world.
Sure, internally driven, itdoesn't matter what happens on
the external world.
Internally driven, it doesn'tmatter what happens on the
outside, in the physical world.
Actually, the value systemrelies solely, you know, on the
(26:40):
individual and the veryintricate and specific types of
actions that they take.
Josh Porthouse (26:50):
Yeah, okay, but for that to be In a perfect
world.
Guy Dazin (26:55):
Of course we need to make all these concessions.
You know, logical concessions,yeah.
Josh Porthouse (27:02):
And so for all of the viewpoints that you've
gained, this is something that I.
Let's do this.
This is a good time for asegment of the show called
Developing Character D D D,developing Character, and so for
anybody who's new Guypotentially you included, if
you're unfamiliar.
(27:22):
It's two questions and it's asvulnerable as you want to be,
but here's the reason for thesegment.
Real quick to set the tone, Ihave a working theory that every
single person around the worldstands on their value system to
make decisions, perceive theworld, ground themselves and
help to harness some of thecosmic chaos that drives the
(27:42):
world.
Yeah, and so that has to comefrom somewhere.
Either it's nurtured or it'snatural, and so I sort of like
to start and phrase the twoquestions from those regards.
So my first question is basedon you growing up from what you
remember.
What would you say were some ofthe values that you were raised
(28:04):
on or brought up around orexposed to when you were growing
up?
well, that's a great question,but that's just one question oh
well, I was going to ask insequence, but my second question
is then.
But whatever that answer iswhat are some of your values now
and how has it changed?
Guy Dazin (28:23):
I was taught to be a very studious individual learner
.
I was taught to respect myelders and to hear their advice.
I was brought up to be a goodcitizen, to practice my right as
(28:49):
a civilian and as an individualto vote, for example.
I was always very logical, verymethodical in each step that I
took, but I was always veryspiritual in my nature.
(29:10):
I would used to go to there wasa kind of a vacant lot in the
middle of nowhere and around myneighborhood and there was a
tree, I think it was an olivetree or an oak tree, and what
(29:32):
was fascinating about that tree?
That its roots they were veryfirm, very wide, very strong.
Its roots spread out or sprangout of a rock for some reason,
like it split, you know, in themiddle, and it was kind of
(29:58):
fascinating, magical even.
I would use to, you know, kindof meditate under that tree For
hours on end.
I would look, I would gaze atthe sky and I was very
fascinated, fascinated with thestars and the skies and all the
(30:21):
different constellations, andthe left heel body was very
fascinated with that.
You know, it's almost likemagic.
You know when, how the seasonschange, how the how the stars
appear, even now that I know allof all of the science, all the
(30:44):
physics, all of the astronomyassociated behind you know the
natural phenomenon, I'm stillvery fascinated, very, you know,
in awe whenever I see, you know, the stars, whenever I see the
(31:06):
moon appearing, you know, intandem with the sun.
I see the sun in one part ofthe sky and in the other part I
see the moon and it'sfascinating to no end.
To no end.
(31:27):
And later on, when I was therein university and I took a
course on Buddhism and Hinduismand I learned that the Buddha
meditated under a tree, theBodhi tree, for 60 years.
For 60 years he never left thatplace.
(31:49):
He was living the ascetic.
You know spiritual, all themantras, all his teaching he
passed on to people who are justwilling to learn, to drink from
(32:15):
the well of knowledge that hewas.
And I'm not a Buddhist but, asI mentioned, I'm a free thinker
and I just I try to parse thegood from the bad from every.
You know every discipline,every school of thoughts, every
(32:37):
ideology, every book, everymusic.
You know every song.
Josh Porthouse (32:44):
Does it help you now, having started to form
your own opinions, you knowbuild your own discernment and
perspective based on all theseinputs, or does it just cause
you to have more questions andless clarity?
Guy Dazin (32:57):
well, that's a good question.
Um, it works.
Uh, both ways.
You know, it's just thespectrum.
You know it's a spectrum.
You know it's a spectrum okayyeah, sometimes they choose to
be very analytical, verystraightforward, very stoical.
Very method works, you know,applies to a lot of situations
(33:38):
and on the other hand, there area lot of situations that
require a lot of awareness, youknow, and that emotional side
needs to be triggered and thelevels of the, you know,
dopamine and stuff like thatthat need to be inserted into
(34:02):
every situation.
So you need to to measure thecorrect amounts that you need to
invest in order to besuccessful in that situation.
But I feel that that kind ofthat kind of spectrum, you know
the going back, back and forth,it's not necessarily kind of the
(34:23):
schizophrenia, necessarily kindof the schizophrenia, and no,
no, it's just, you know, theactivation of one part, one
hemisphere of the brain asopposed to the other.
So sometimes you invest more inthe kind of right side of the
(34:44):
hemisphere.
When you write a love letter oryou write a great poem, or when
you see someone in need, youknow a disenfranchised kind of
individual you would like tocontribute to society, to give
(35:05):
back, to be a good person to.
You know, get those dopaminekind of level raised from being
an altruistic type of individual, very philanthropic, for
example.
Just giving back to society, um, just giving back to society.
(35:32):
And the other times when, whenit comes down to problem solving
you know, when there's asituation that needs to have a
very strict method, you know, toit there's a chronic,
chronological kind of logic thatneeds to be had, you know.
And organizational skills, youknow.
They come very handy from theleft side of the brain.
(35:56):
So it's a spectrum, as Imentioned.
It's not one way or the other.
Josh Porthouse (36:06):
Well, that's, that's the harmony I guess we
all hope to develop, right beingable to consciously make that
shift to balance the very fun.
Guy Dazin (36:17):
The very fun, the very slight dichotomy that you
know, the play between thedifferent hemispheres, it can be
very jarring, very rattlingtype of experience.
Josh Porthouse (36:32):
You have paintings and poems and like
you've written so, and you'reobviously a very deliberately
thought out communicator.
So I assume behind your glasses, glasses under your hairline,
it's equally as deliberatewhenever you're focusing your
thoughts.
See, there it is, I saw it.
And so to have that kind ofcreativity and expression to
(36:57):
process and then also to be ableto process deliberately in a
sequence or in a pattern thatyou're better able and prefer to
manage and think through,that's got to be kind of
draining too, because there's aconflict of energy source there,
right?
Guy Dazin (37:10):
No, because I'll tell you there's a conflict of
energy, of course.
Of course it's verydiscombobulating, very
disorienting.
Josh Porthouse (37:21):
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Guy Dazin (37:39):
No, because I'll tell you there's a conflict of
energy, of course.
Of course it's verydiscombobulating, very, very
disorient to have, you know,both these functions, uh, in
place, you know, but that's justhow the brain works.
Um, there are people who have,you know, been clinically
(38:02):
diagnosed as suffering fromdifferent, not disabilities, but
just hindrances.
Hindrances, I would say I don'tlike you know, differently
abled and these types ofterminology.
(38:23):
I'm not connected In any shape,form or form.
I don't appreciate that kind ofphrasing that has no meaning
behind it.
It's placation.
(38:45):
Yeah, you want to placate thewrong.
You know you're preaching tothe wrong choir almost all of
the time it's a hindrance.
I was never diagnosed with anykind of, I don't know,
(39:06):
disruption of banking or stufflike that, but I always had a
problem distinguishing asituation.
I always suffered from notbeing able to, you know,
categorize a situation in theright cabinet folder and I
(39:33):
always miss it.
I'll give you an example,please.
It's, you know, related torelationships and you know
romantic relationships, so youwould appreciate it.
In university I took a coursein the English department.
(39:56):
I can't remember exactly whichcourse or what the subject of
the course was, but there was agirl and she always seemed kind
of a bluster, you know, wheneverI was around a class and you
know she never approached, shewould never, you know, look me
(40:18):
directly in the eyes as as youdid, you know so aptly and and
uh one time we finished, youknow, the, the class and uh, I
know I don't know how, but westarted talking, you know, on
the way to the parking lot and,um, she offered to give me a
(40:42):
ride and, uh, and I hopped onboard.
You know, she had this kind of,uh, a big, a big, you know uh,
transport vehicle.
I think she was, uh, running aclothing store or something like
that, uh, managing yourclothing store.
(41:03):
Maybe that's just an educatedguess, but throughout the ride,
where we talked about this andthat, she let me smoke Sorry for
the French so I smoked in thecar, I opened up the window,
(41:24):
rolled up the window, and shetook me home All the car.
I opened up the window, rolledup the window, and she took me
home All the way to my home.
I don't know where she livesshe lives probably not too far
away by now but she drove mehome and she said well, could
(41:46):
you give me your number?
I don't want to make anymistakes on the way back, I
don't want to lose track.
And she gave me her number andI gave her mine, and we met once
, maybe twice after that.
(42:07):
We met once, maybe twice afterthat, and foolishly, foolishly,
I waited like three years tosend her a message.
And I was that dim, you know?
Josh Porthouse (42:26):
Yeah, just to give one example the one that
ran away.
Yeah, it's interesting thatbalance right the being able to
think and process, and then thedegree of awareness that comes
with the application of thatknowledge is like the other half
of the equation if you hand themaster, you know your servant.
Guy Dazin (42:54):
You hand the master everything on a silver platter.
You know, anyone that was lessmorally inclined than I am would
have jumped the opportunity youknow to maybe form a
relationship you know withanother person, which is a
(43:17):
beautiful thing.
Josh Porthouse (43:20):
That's all part of the growing process.
You know, you make mistakes,you learn, you move on.
Maybe you make them again,maybe you don't, but that's the
experience, you know that.
That, I think, is why the humancondition is called the human
condition, because it takesrepetition and conditioning to
fully understand and appreciatewhat you have when either you
(43:41):
don't have it or still do.
And so that's, that's one ofthe I don't know beautiful
mysteries of the experience, Isuppose.
But, guy, for the sake of time,I really do appreciate this
opportunity.
Man, I only have one otherquestion for you and I know you
have actually to go anyway,since it's late but of all of
these experiences and ofeverything that you've talked
(44:02):
about so far, what has it donefor you I mean, you talked about
internal control for yourself-awareness, self-worth.
What has this insight, thisknowledge, the application to
some of these stories, what hasit done for your self-awareness
and self-worth?
Guy Dazin (44:20):
It's like trying to communicate, you know,
underwater, you're trying toexpress the word, you're trying
to form the word, you're tryingto other the words, but they
don't come out as expected.
Once you learn, you know how tobreathe underwater, you know
(44:48):
you can express these words, youcan shape them into the right
consonants, the rightpronunciation of each and every
vowel.
I sort of analogizeacculturation with being able to
(45:14):
speak underwater are when youtraverse these hazardous waters.
(45:34):
The hazardous waters, of course.
It's a classical metaphor forlife yeah, sort of a fish
outside of water.
So I was feeling a lot of that,you know, for a long time.
But once I discovered learning,education, I discovered there's
(45:57):
a process, I discovered thatthere's a method, a scientific
method.
I discovered there are a lot ofbasic philosophical,
psychological, behavioralprinciples that are universal,
unwavering, unchanging.
(46:17):
I understood there's a method tothe madness the chaos.
You know the chaos is aprimordial type of force.
The chaos is a primordial typeof force.
This is interwoven, interwoven,okay, to the human experience.
You know the disambiguation,you know of human, what it means
(46:47):
to be a human.
It's an essential, it's aquintessential element of the
human experience.
We are born out of that chaosand I'll give you an analogy of
an impressionistic painting.
Okay, if you take any type ofimpressionistic painting, for
(47:11):
example Van Gogh, or anotherexample if you ever heard about
Henri de Luz-Lautrec, forexample, or Renoir.
Josh Porthouse (47:29):
The water lilies I think he painted Right, is
that him?
Guy Dazin (47:34):
It was Monet Monet.
Same idea.
Yes, very respected, veryrenowned painter artist, let's
take Monet.
Probably it's a better.
Monet painted the Seine inFrance.
(48:00):
Yeah, the river, yeah, and hepainted it.
He replicated the painting, thesame perspective, the same
configuration, the samecomposition, but each time he
(48:22):
replicated it it depicts adifferent time of the day.
Sure, it depicts a differenttime of the day.
This is the human experience.
Impressionism started, you know, after photography.
After photography wasintroduced firstly with the
(48:47):
Lumiere brothers in France,their atelier in France,
painting was regarded as nolonger a respected type of
(49:10):
expression.
It wasn't a respected type ofmedium and Impressionism was
born out of necessity, thenecessity to keep the ember of
creation and creativity alive.
For artists, impressionisticpainting takes a photograph, the
(49:36):
medium of the photograph, andflips it on its head.
Photographs were very, you know, they were fabricated.
They were not natural at first.
Each photograph took hours ofpreparation, the composition,
(49:59):
the lighting, all that stuff.
Technically it took a lot ofinvestment and impressionism
takes the opposing view.
Impressionism takes, you know,takes a snippet of like.
(50:21):
You know it doesn't look at thewhole picture.
You know, like a photograph, aphotograph has a very methodical
you knowical, composition.
It has a beginning, a middleand an end.
An impressionistic paintingcuts off a certain portion of
(50:44):
the scene.
It leaves something to theimagination.
It's like a camera tilted, youknow it leaves something to the
imagination.
It's like, it's like a camera,you know, tilted very fast, and
you capture that.
You know the moment, the, theswivel, and that's what that's.
(51:05):
That, that's what impressionismis, you know.
To capture the moment, you know.
Seize the day.
You know Carpe Diem, all thepostmodern kind of ideals.
You have to live the day.
You have to live your life tothe fullest.
You have to be able to expressyourself as a free thinker, a
free individual, a citizen ofthe world and not of one nation.
(51:30):
You know a cosmopolitan, youknow, who is well-versed at
least a few languages.
He is a citizen of the world,of the earth.
This is what impressionism, youknow, brought to the world.
It brought the expression, youknow, the clear, natural
(51:55):
expression of the humanexperience.
The human experience is just,you know, a snapshot, and this
is your entire life, just thesnapshot.
Josh Porthouse (52:09):
The whole, you know, cosmos, yeah, the entire
story well, that's the, that'sthe impression we make, I
suppose.
But, guy, I love yourperspective.
Man, yeah, the imprint this hasbeen a fun conversation, deep,
(52:30):
but I enjoyed it.
It's, you know, it's.
It's.
It's conversations like this, Ithink you know, the ones that
enhance the depth of ourexperiences, when we're talking
to people where it's not justbreadth, it's not just reach and
topical variation, like yousaid, occasionally you just lean
in a little bit and you focuson specificity, but through a
(52:53):
different lens.
I really appreciate it, man.
Um and again, thank you foryour time, thank you, thank you
for your input and thank you foryour experiences, because I've
never met anybody like you andin any literal sense or
uniqueness about it.
I don't know that I will.
You know what I mean.
Your ability to communicateyour experiences like you have,
(53:15):
I think, really makes it, uh,that much deeper of a
conversation, so I really doappreciate it, thank you.
Guy Dazin (53:22):
Thank you so much, josh.
It's been, you know, a pleasurefrom beginning throughout the
end, and hopefully we'lltransact more values to the
future and the present, becausewe need an injection of right
now in the world.
It's something that's lacking.
(53:44):
We need to break the chains ofthe indoctrination.
Acculturation that does notcomply, does not work in just
throwing what sticks.
You know, uh, this kind ofmethod, when, once it, uh, it
(54:16):
works in tandem with the, thefeelings, the expression, the
emotions, um, your situation,you know your everyday situation
, uh, your, your class, yourplace, the place you are in life
(54:38):
, what you're experiencing, thetype of career that you chose to
pursue, what kind of educationyou would like to learn, what
subjects, what interests you.
It really can impact quite abit.
This is the healthy type ofapproach of chaos.
(55:03):
You know, complete chaos it'sthe blue hat.
Josh Porthouse (55:10):
It's the blue hat.
It's the blue hat.
Yeah, absolutely, that's it toeverybody else.
Guy, again, thank you for yourtime.
Thank everybody for listeningand tuning into our conversation
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